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Speaker 1: now from my hotel room. Uh yeah, it was a

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Speaker 1: long night. So uh we have coming down the home stretch.

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Speaker 1: I'm board in a plane here in about seven eight hours,

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Speaker 1: maybe a little less than that, five or six hours.

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Speaker 1: I got a big show today. Sean McDermott, head coach

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. I've had a big week. I talked to

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Speaker 1: Howie Roseman as well. We'll put that out next week.

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Speaker 1: I yesterday my guy, Super Bowl champion Andy Reid, talked

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Speaker 1: to him for about thirty minutes. We'll do that next

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Speaker 1: week as well. But today we'll have we'll have Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 1: Matt Naggy. Uh yeah. It's just I can't say it enough.

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Speaker 1: I feel so fortunate. It was so out of my

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Speaker 1: Matt Naggy, Sean McDermott, I you know, I just got

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Speaker 1: to meet Brett Veach, Howie Roseman, all these guys that

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Speaker 1: it's just there is an element of just I can't

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Speaker 1: I mean, I see people out at night, uh they

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Speaker 1: that there's there's no doubt about it. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: aren't many Super Bowl head coaches. The dude won the

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Speaker 1: He's one of the coolest dudes going. I love Coach Read,

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Speaker 1: I love all the guys associated with him, and you'll

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Speaker 1: hear Sean McDermott, Matt Naggie. These guys are younger coaches.

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Speaker 1: Um really cool week and we'll dive into maybe just

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Speaker 1: the interviews, maybe do a little recap last night. Kind

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Speaker 1: the bus. I mean they're not throwing under the bus,

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Speaker 1: but act like they're out and about. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: the media guy. They look at the guy that worked

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Speaker 1: I see why the stories that Tom Brady might go

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Speaker 1: Abel is a badass. Love that guy. That the Combine

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Speaker 1: A lot of booze gets drank, but also a lot

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Speaker 1: of like Coach Read is not going out. That's that's

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Speaker 1: So it does. We've got a great group of guys.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Good luck to you. Thank you pretty easy.

428
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Speaker 1: Just listened to the guy. I mean, Sean McDermott is

429
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,359
Speaker 1: a really, really high level guy. I'm even more of

430
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 1: a Bills fan after reconnecting with the guy. His team's physical,

431
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 1: that they are coming for the Pats and if Brady leaves,

432
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the question. That Bills

433
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 1: win the division next year. He had earned a good point.

434
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Speaker 1: Like you talk, people try to nitpick Josh Allen and

435
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: not Nippick. I mean, he has his struggles, but he

436
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 1: answered the bell last year in terms of the short

437
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: and intermediate. Now he has to improve the deep ball accuracy.

438
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: But like Sean said, he's answered the bell every you

439
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 1: know turn that's been asked of him. That's gonna be

440
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: a tough, you know thing to do. Improve his deep

441
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 1: ball accuracy where they need it. They need to get

442
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: him a wide receiver. But the Bill's defense is badass.

443
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: They can run the ball. Sean McDermott's a legit coach.

444
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: Bills are, Bills are coming. I think there are a

445
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 1: borderline lock playoff team next year. I feel pretty confident

446
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: saying that the Bills are probably gonna make the playoffs

447
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: three years, three times and four years. Sean mcdermots a

448
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 1: legit coach. Uh, let's get to another legit coach now again,

449
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm biased, but the Bills are gonna be back. I

450
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: promise you that Lions stink Vikings are kind of going

451
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: through some turnover. They lost ever Everson Griffins Gonn leaving

452
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: free agency, Digs might get traded, They're not gonna. I mean,

453
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is just a guy. The Packers overachieved last year.

454
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: Now they're still They're still good. There's a team to beat.

455
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 1: But I like the Bears to bounce back. And uh,

456
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 1: I love my guy, Matt Naggie. Let's uh, let's let's

457
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: dive into it, very very excited. I just had one

458
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: bald brother and Sean McDermott, and I'd say this guy

459
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: is my original bald brother. Matt Naggy, head coach of

460
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. What's that, Matt? What's going on? Man?

461
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: And for sure you I'll tell you what you gotta

462
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: you got to it's like gleaming off your head right

463
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 1: now to go to that right there. You know where

464
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 1: I live in California, The sunshine. The last time you've

465
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: seen the sun? Let me tell you something. I haven't

466
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: seen sun in like three weeks. What's going on? Everything? Man?

467
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Speaker 1: It's been great, you know, it's always fun catching up

468
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 1: with you and and uh, you know, just thinking back

469
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: to the times when we're in Philly breaking down guys

470
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Speaker 1: and and all that, and and now here we are

471
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: but in Indy watching guys and a lot of a

472
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: lot of great talent, and for us, I think this

473
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Speaker 1: is UM. The evaluation part is so crucial and trying

474
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Speaker 1: to develop guys. How big is your role in that

475
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: it gets up there? You know? And I appreciate that Ryan, Uh,

476
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Pacer general manager and I work really well together

477
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: in regards to just uh collectively, you know, collaborating on everything.

478
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Speaker 1: And so neither one of us have an ego or

479
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: think it's got to be this guy, gotta be that guy.

480
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: We talked through it and that's what's special. I'd imagine

481
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Speaker 1: you just did your you know, media scrum with all

482
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Speaker 1: the people from Chicago. UM. Number one question, I'm sure

483
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Speaker 1: it's the quarterback. Is that I mean your quarterback at heart,

484
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Speaker 1: and I know texting with you during the sea something

485
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: you take a lot of pride in that offense. Start there.

486
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: The offense, I mean, is that's something to have you

487
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: if you're still losing sleep or you kind of locked

488
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: in dow and you know what needs to happen. Yeah, Well,

489
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy just because you can see how two different,

490
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: how nineteen can be so different, even offensively, and so

491
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: as a coach, it's about you know solutions and fixing

492
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: problems that you have in issues, and that's what we've

493
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: been doing. The competitive nature in all of us is

494
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the why part. And you know,

495
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: it's easy for everybody to dive right to the quarterback.

496
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: It's easy for everybody to dive two different things, and

497
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: usually the quarterback is the one that gets the most

498
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Speaker 1: um and and Mitch knows that he can play a

499
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: lot better. He understands that, we know that we can

500
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: coach better, we know that around him we can be

501
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: better offensively. Uh, there's no reason for us to um

502
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: to panic, but let's fix. Let's fix what what what

503
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 1: the issues were? And I think now as we're going

504
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: through this, we're figuring that stuff out. It's kind of crazy.

505
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: It shows you how high the standard is. First year

506
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: you win the division. Next year, I think you get

507
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: talked about sometimes like you want three or four games,

508
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: you want eight. John Schneider said a couple of years ago.

509
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: I remembered Seattle. He's like, everyone talks about us like

510
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: we're three. One team went nine and seven. You want

511
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: eight and eight. But that you know that margin in

512
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: the NFL is so small. Is there a position on

513
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: offense beside the quarterback, power runner, like tight end something

514
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Speaker 1: that you're kind of honed in on. Yeah, we need

515
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Speaker 1: we need to Yeah, you know what John I would say,

516
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Speaker 1: I'd start off at the tight end position. You know

517
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Speaker 1: how important it is. It's always been this way to

518
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and in Kansas City with coach Reid is making

519
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: sure that you have uh some tight ends that can

520
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: be playmakers, that can hold the point at the line

521
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: of scrimmage in the run game and then can do

522
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. And so we didn't have

523
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Speaker 1: a guy last year that had over a hundred yards

524
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Speaker 1: receiving as a tight end on on on the whole

525
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: season all season. And you know that's you know for

526
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: those that don't know that number, Now does that make

527
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: or break? You know, that's not the only issue. And

528
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: we have we have some guys on our team that

529
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: h had had some injuries and that was a struggle

530
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: to get on the field with Trey Burton and Adam Sheheen.

531
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Speaker 1: But that's a part of the process. So that's a

532
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: focal point for us, is to get better there and

533
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: improve that part, which could help improve other areas on offense.

534
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: So we're we're looking at it all and and that's

535
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Speaker 1: somewhere we're gonna attack. You get tired of the Mitch questions, No,

536
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: because it's a part. It comes with the territory. Now,

537
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned in regards to the the eight and eight

538
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: and the twelve and four. It was just brought to

539
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: my attention if this was flipped now and it was

540
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: eight and eight the first year and twelve and four

541
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: the second year would be able. Yeah. So, but that's

542
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: not how it rolls. So we understand that. And uh,

543
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: you you know me better than a lot of people,

544
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: and you understand how competitive I am, and just knowing

545
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: how Ryan and I work together, knowing how the culture

546
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: is of our players. You know, John, we we lost

547
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: four games in a row this year, and that's hard

548
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: coming into the building losing four in a row. Our

549
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: guys never started pointing fingers. They stuck together, Um they

550
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: they they weathered the storm. We ended up winning, uh

551
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: four out of five games after that, gave ourselves a

552
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: chance to possibly make the playoffs until we lost the

553
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Green Bay at the end of the year. So I

554
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: was proud of our team for that. Mits the quarterback

555
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: in two yes, yes, and I think for us um

556
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: that's uh no, I mean it's it's something for him

557
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: that he understands that he's got to play better. We

558
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: want him to play better. But let's be better as coaches.

559
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Let's scheme better. Uh, let's get the running game going more. Right,

560
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: How are we gonna do that? I don't know. We'll see.

561
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: We're working through that. Uh, We're We're always gonna add

562
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: add weapons whenever we can. I think you saw what

563
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: the Chiefs did this year. You talked to any defensive coordinator.

564
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: They're scared to death of the speed. So you're starting

565
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: to see a trend there as well. And then this

566
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: year's draft there's a ton of those guys. Yeah, there's

567
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: a balance, right because everyone talks about the run pass ratio. Andy,

568
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, pass first, but you gotta run the ball.

569
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Speaker 1: When you have the lead, you pass, you pass the gate,

570
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: get the lead, run to win it. The philosophy on that,

571
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: don't I do. I have. My philosophy over time has

572
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: been do what's working, and every game is a little

573
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 1: bit different. So there might be a game where you

574
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: come in and you feel like you can, you know,

575
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: really pound the ball and and and get to a

576
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: second and four by running the ball and get six

577
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: yards then throw a hitch route right. There's just something

578
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: they might have press corners that you don't. You don't

579
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: like to match up. Um, But in my opinion, at

580
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: some point in time, you need to have a quarterback

581
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: or you need to be able to throw the ball

582
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: right to win. You have to. It's just it's just

583
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: that way. And so um it might not be every game,

584
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: but there's gonna be a game where you're gonna need that.

585
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: So I think that's the good part of our offense

586
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: is that we do developed those guys and and now

587
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: with Mitch being in this offense for two years now,

588
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: he has the foundation of the terminology of where we're at.

589
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: And now it's a matter it's it's just a matter

590
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: of him putting it into action and and improving all

591
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: across the board. One thing I'm fascinated by you brought

592
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: and flip. You brought in laser. Uh. You're a quarterback

593
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: coach in your heart. So you've got a lot of

594
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: quarterback coaches, you know. Some coaches I know, I know

595
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Belichick and Saban are big on specifically determining an individual's

596
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: role so they know exactly what they're doing is that

597
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: something before you made some of these hires that you

598
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: had in mind exactly what you're looking for in specific coaches,

599
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: because from the outside, I haven't asked you about this.

600
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: You just got a lot of quarterback coaches going right now,

601
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: and there's you have three guys yelling at him right now.

602
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: You balance that, you're right there there, there's roles and

603
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: then and as long as you're clear with what those

604
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: defined roles are upfront with So does you take a

605
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: step back? Yeah, a little, I do. I do, And

606
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point by you to recognize

607
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: that is what that does is when I can pull

608
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: back and delegate and trust, then it enables um me

609
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: to be a better head coach of the whole deal offense, defense,

610
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: special teams. John. I think that's where I think last

611
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: year where if I look back and reflect it, where

612
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I could have been better, It could have been a

613
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: better head coach overall in all three areas there and

614
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: and that's where I'm a little I'm excited to get

615
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: back to that. Well, there takes delegation, There takes trust

616
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: with those type of guys, and these guys all have

617
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: had experience in the NFL for a long time, and

618
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I respect all of them, and so I'm excited to

619
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: see what they're gonna do with this offense as we

620
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: move forward. I want to call poly We called Harvard

621
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: to the West Coast. Uh. We have a motto, learned

622
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: by doing, and you know, you just learn more about

623
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: yourself whatever, professionally personally when you go through something you

624
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: get you become a head coach. You had been around

625
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: coach Read for a long period of time, but now

626
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: you're in that big office. Like you said last year,

627
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: you kind of take a step back. You realize, God,

628
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: I could have done this better. Did you have any

629
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: clue what you were getting into when you became a

630
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: head coach? Just in terms of all incompassing I mean,

631
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: your first year it went so well. Yeah, Yeah, you're right.

632
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: It's not like you went through rocket. It's impossible to

633
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: plan for everything. There's so many different silos involved in

634
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: the head coaching role. Uh, people that need answers from

635
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: you all the time. And you're doing you know, uh,

636
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: coach Read and coach children. You always joke with me

637
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: that when I was a coordinator, Hey, someday you're a

638
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: head coach. You're gonna see you come in and from

639
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning until six o'clock at night

640
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: your doors being knocked on. And I used to always think, yeah,

641
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: they're exaggerating by about eight hours. They're not literally that

642
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: doors being knocked on from six am till six pm

643
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: at night. So you either have to come in super

644
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: early or stay super late when you want to get

645
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: your stuff done. And and so for me, what I've

646
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: learned is in these last two years is it's really

647
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: really important to surround yourself with people that you trust

648
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: and you know are are getting stuff done, um, so

649
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: that you don't have as many of those knocks. And

650
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: that's where for for um in a lot of But

651
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: then there's also the balance of staying evolved, right you

652
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: like that because everything being doing the installs, calling plays,

653
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: but yet listen thing and being you know, having being

654
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: humble enough to know that these other coaches that you're

655
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: with have great ideas. And that's one of the strengths

656
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: of coach Reid has is he surrounds himself with great

657
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: coaches and and he and then he he doesn't have

658
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: a big ego. He takes all their ideas and uses them.

659
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: And it turned into a super Bowl form. Did you

660
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: feel at times this year when it kind of fell

661
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: off the rails quote unquote, that you felt overwhelmed because

662
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: you were doing so much and you didn't have like, well,

663
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for ten years, so I know

664
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: exactly where to turn laugh, where to turn right. It

665
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: was just you're in deep. You just have to kind

666
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: of figure it out. But you know, it just got

667
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: into a weird position. It was and and and I

668
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: was learning through the process, and so are our coaches too.

669
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: You know, our our coaches um last year that we're here,

670
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: they all wanted the same thing. They're all really good

671
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: guys that worked hard, and it just for whatever reason,

672
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: it ended up not being good for us. Has an

673
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: offensive staff and um that you know, there's there's hard

674
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: discussions and conversations that you haven't have to have at

675
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: the end of the year. We're all friends and and

676
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: but it is a business, and you know, I wish

677
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: those guys nothing but the best. They're all great people.

678
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: And for us, though, it's an it's an exciting new

679
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: time and we don't want to dwell on what was

680
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: the past. We want to we want to look forward

681
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: to what's the future. And defensively. Obviously, we're happy last

682
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: year for your guy getting a head coaching job, Vixing Beauty. Yeah,

683
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: but he's one of the best in the businesses you

684
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: you go to Chuck Pogana, who has a long resume

685
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: of leading good defenses. But there is a transitional period.

686
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: Do you expect the defense to be a lot better

687
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: this year than it was last year? You know what,

688
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't standard, that's right, the standard was

689
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: so high from the year before, kind of like our team,

690
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, twelve and four. At eight and eight, our

691
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: defense was breaking world records. On another how many touchdowns? Touchdowns?

692
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: You know, it was a lot. And so to to

693
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: come in as a defensive coordinator and get compared to

694
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: that right away, that's hard. Vix the hell of a

695
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: coordinator and knows this stuff. He's really good at what

696
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: he does. And um uh, for Chuck to come on

697
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: in here, that's a tough transition. I thought he handled

698
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: it really well and and gaining his players trust and knowing, uh,

699
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, how to how to scheme and how to

700
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: build those relationships. But I think it's gonna be even

701
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: better this year because now he can not only will

702
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: they learn who Chuck is. But Chuckle learned now who

703
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: those players are and how to use their strengths and

704
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: tweak what he does. I mean, how many teams in

705
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the NFL have a better core than you on defense?

706
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: With Khalil a team Rouan, I know he got hurt,

707
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: but they'll be back. And Eddie, I meant every level.

708
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Multiple guys in the front the most important level, and

709
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: then two guys that can fly around. I mean, ro Kuan,

710
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: it's got a chance to be pretty special. Yeah, no

711
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: doubt about it. And and I think for us, and

712
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: that's what hurt us last year, John, is that we

713
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: had Achem Hicks go down into Oakland game. Uh, the

714
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: elbows huge and the elbow that that that really hurt us.

715
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: And then both of our middle linebackers and Trevathan who's

716
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: our team leader, and and Roquan Smith down the middle.

717
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: Our middle was hurting, you know. And that's but that's

718
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: a that's a we didn't have that the year before.

719
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: We didn't get injured. So that's a part of football. Uh.

720
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: So you were lucky. Your backup is pretty good and

721
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: they played well. Quick Kowski came in, he's a free agent.

722
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: He played really well. KPL who was with us in

723
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: Kevin Pierre Lewis, who was with us in Kansas City. So, um,

724
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: you know that part was good. But I think all

725
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: in all, we have a nice balance of vets that

726
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: are young and hungry and they're they're they're you know,

727
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: they're kind of piste off about what happened last year,

728
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: and they're they're ready to get going. You were telling

729
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: me you took your your kids the All Star weekend?

730
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: Was there? I remember you and I used to bond

731
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: over big Okay, see back when Katie and Russ were

732
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: really young, you know, and uh so who's your son's

733
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: follow when they took off to their well, I mean

734
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: Russ got traded. Yeah, they're they're they're they're still uh

735
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: speaking of Big FANGI, oh my gosh, there is the

736
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: brain trust, you know, the brain Trust. Uh, they still

737
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: follow Russell Westbrook. They're big Russell Westbrook fans. Um, you know,

738
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: Dwane Wade and and so it's fun. We we just

739
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: enjoy warriors haters. Uh maybe a little bit. I mean

740
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: if rust of your guy, you know, I think they

741
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: just felt a little abandoned, you know, when when Katie

742
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: ended up taking off you know, because they were, you know,

743
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: being in Kansas City and a few hours away from Okay. See,

744
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: we used to go to some of the games, and um,

745
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: but that's a part of that's a part of the business.

746
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 1: And and uh just watching that talent down on that

747
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: court and seeing what's down there at that All Star weekend, Man,

748
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: is that unbelievable. One thing I asked Sean is when

749
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr got hired to the Warriors, he became friends

750
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: with Pete Carroll and then New dan Quinn and Parcels.

751
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: He he loves football, but he like use those guys

752
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: mentors and bounce ideas. Since you become a head coach

753
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: or maybe even before, are their coaches and other sports

754
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: that you talked to. Yeah, you're right. So, Um, when

755
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: it first started when I got here, was it was

756
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: coach Joe Madden of the Cubs when I got here.

757
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: Now that's through Chicago, and that was great because he

758
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: was a Pennsylvania guy throughout first pitch. Yeah, yeah, a

759
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: couple Um, I broke ninety. Um, but but uh in basketball,

760
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: which now you know that, Um, you probably hit low eighties,

761
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: got a good arm. Ended up Uh becoming friends through

762
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: a podcast with coach k Yeah, which was really neat

763
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: to a couple of years ago. And and so I

764
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: just have how do we not just have the ultimate

765
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: respect for a guy like that? So that's that's right,

766
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: listening to his advice and who he is. And he's

767
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: a Bears fan, so that that's that's fun. Um. You know,

768
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: just this year in the off season, Juwan Howard coaching

769
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: at Michigan, so he came by and he's a Bears fan,

770
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: so we got to hang out. We just talked, talk

771
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: philosophies and talk building cultures. He spent a lot of

772
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: time around pat Riley, right, yeah, right, you know he

773
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: knows and so that that was really neat. And then

774
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: coach Doc rivers Um, and you've got some cool friends. Yeah,

775
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: they're Basicago guy, their Bears, their Bears fans. So we've

776
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: built these relationships and you know, for me, uh, what

777
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: I would like to do now it's there. It's they're

778
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: busy time right now while it's are off time, but

779
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: just to be able to listen to how they do

780
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,959
Speaker 1: things and how they teach. What better but what better

781
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: guys are the three guys I just named, you know,

782
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: So there's there's several more out there, but those are

783
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: some of the ones that jump off. I know, you

784
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: become a little numb to it all your head coach

785
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You've been in the NFL a long time,

786
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: but do you ever I know, you're just a big

787
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: sports guy. You're like, I'm texting coach K right, yeah,

788
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of even Doc rivers Yeah, but

789
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: when you're growing up, he was in the plane in

790
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: the NBA, all of them, they're just there. You just

791
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: there's that there's that special bond that you have with

792
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: than the mutual respect from the head coaching side. But

793
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: then like you're saying, growing up knowing who coach K

794
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: is and getting handwritten postcards from him, uh, just letters,

795
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: you know, all handwritten, and being able to text back

796
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: and forth and and just support support one another. And

797
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: so that part is really neat being able to take

798
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: it to the next level to actually learned techniques that

799
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: he has on how he does things would be what

800
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: I would want to do. Uh. And then a guy

801
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: like Doc Rivers um, you know, like you said, as

802
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: a player with the Hawks and now what he's done

803
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: as a coach, just the way he shows so much

804
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: support for his players and the way he goes about things.

805
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: For me, it's it's unbelievable. Jowan Howard, a guy who's

806
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, not much older, building a new culture in Michigan,

807
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: taking over his alma mater. Pretty good. You're passionate. Yeah, yeah,

808
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: And I just I love that part. And these are

809
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: all such humble guys, and that's what I grabbed from

810
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: him and really root for those guys. What do you

811
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: got on the deck the rest of the off season, Well,

812
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: we're hearing about forty five minutes. I'm we're getting together

813
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: as a staff. We're gonna do some scheme avow So

814
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna we'll follow you in there. I bring the camera.

815
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: We're working, man, we're working. We're doing that here. We

816
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: did it yesterday, We're gonna do it today. I just

817
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of time where coaches, yeah, new coaches,

818
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: let's use it. So we're gonna get together, work through

819
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: some some scheme avow stuff, and then uh, really hammer

820
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: through this draft and the free agent process coming up. Uh,

821
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: it's always fun to see how that goes. And then

822
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: just you know, when you have a season that goes

823
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: the way ours went, where you go eight and eight.

824
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: You get that taste out of your mouth. You're ready

825
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: to start fresh. So when April comes in and these

826
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: players get back in here, it's a new it's it's

827
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: it's a new time for us, and I'm really really excited.

828
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: How do you balance right now watching free agents watching

829
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: draft guys? Have you spent the last month doing that?

830
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: A little bit of both. Yeah, it's a juggling act,

831
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: which is fun. You know, there's some guys that pop

832
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: up on the radar, Hey go check this guy out

833
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: of that guy, you know what your needs are, and

834
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: then you know as far as uh, the the the

835
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: the draftable guys at the combine. You get a nice

836
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: feel while you're here. In the next couple of days,

837
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys that choke out at you

838
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: that maybe you didn't think about. You go back and

839
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: watch tape, and I think that's the key, is making

840
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: sure that you watch enough tape to truly evaluate these guys.

841
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: I'll get you out out here on this Andy beach

842
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: and made the Super Bowl this year, I went. I

843
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: went out there for the week Miami. You go to

844
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: Tampa next year, I'm going. You might have to pay

845
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: for it. But I'll be I got you, I got you,

846
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: all right. I like a bald head brother, right, Okay,

847
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: let's uh, that was pretty cool. Naggie McDermott doesn't suck

848
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Speaker 1: Andy next week, Howie Roseman next week, and just more takes.

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Speaker 1: I got you. Know. I'm running on fumes, but I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna dig deep because at the end of the day,

851
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm just recording the podcast. So I'm gonna do a

852
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Speaker 1: couple of Middlecoff mail back questions and get you out

853
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Speaker 1: here on this at John Middlecoff is my Instagram handle.

854
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Speaker 1: Slide right up in those d m s. Ask me

855
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: whatever you want and I'll answer him here. Gabe, with

856
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: the Bears releasing Taylor Gabriel and Prince, do you think

857
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: they're creating cap space to make a move at quarterback?

858
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Speaker 1: I personally see more competition in the quarterback I personally

859
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Speaker 1: like to see more competition in the quarterback room. I

860
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: think they're definitely gonna bring competition. But as you heard, Naggy,

861
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Speaker 1: you're not bullshitting me like that, Mitch. They're starting quarterback

862
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Speaker 1: maybe unless like Brady once in which it doesn't feel

863
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Speaker 1: like he's gonna go to the Bears. But yeah, I

864
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Speaker 1: just think that mitchis is gonna be the starting quarterback.

865
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Speaker 1: He's gotta coaches us up. It's just that simple. They

866
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: gotta way with Mitch Bisky. Peter King reported that the

867
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Speaker 1: NFL is exploring a Sunday at Monday night experiment. If

868
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Speaker 1: the new playoff system is approved. As a consumer, I

869
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: think it's electric despite its disadvantages what they will lead

870
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Speaker 1: to thoughts. I agree, like you can't. How do you

871
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: have a Monday night football game and then that team

872
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: plays us Sunday when the other team is either getting

873
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: to buy or played on Saturday. It's not fair, Like

874
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Speaker 1: there's competitive disadvantages, and then they're just unfair. But as

875
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: a consumer, you give me Sunday or Monday night, we're in.

876
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they like che ching, che ching, chet ching,

877
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: They like printing cash. That's what the NFL likes. They

878
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: like moving the needle with viewership. And you put it

879
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Speaker 1: on Sunday night, and you put it on Monday night,

880
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: and people flock to this thing we call the couch,

881
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: and we turn on the television and we consume for

882
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Speaker 1: three hours. That's what the league's thinking. I do feel

883
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Speaker 1: bad talking to some of these coaches. The owners don't

884
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Speaker 1: give a shit about what the coaches want. They don't

885
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: care at all. They want to print money. That is

886
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: their goal and they're good at it. And Monday night

887
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: and Sunday night Prince cash. So everything is on the

888
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Speaker 1: table when it comes to owners. I think you know

889
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: that they're open to doing just about anything. Hey, John

890
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: Coward came out with a take the Packers should go

891
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: with a quarterback and round one based on the rookie

892
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: wage skill today, is it worth taking a guy and

893
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: sitting in for potentially three or four years? The benefit

894
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: of taking a guy around one and he's cheap. You

895
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: could build around him, keep up the right work. I

896
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Speaker 1: like I read that last part that I think it's

897
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: more like is Aaron Rodgers coming down the home stretch

898
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: like he showed legit signs of I don't want to

899
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: say falling off the map, but relative to his stand

900
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: he was not as good as the own Rodger as

901
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: we know now, this is a big year for him.

902
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: Like he bounces back, you'd just be like, oh, he's

903
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: thirty six, he's still got four or five years left.

904
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Speaker 1: What if he keeps declining? You want to have a

905
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Speaker 1: pitch in your back pocket. And that's a that's a

906
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: backup quarterback that's young you can build around. Now, the

907
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: hard part for them is they could, you know, argue,

908
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: there are a couple of players away from winning a

909
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Right. You get a sweet wide receiver, you

910
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: get a tight end, all of a sudden, your offense

911
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: is legit, your defense is already decent. You know you're

912
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Speaker 1: competing to win, you know, super Bowl. So I that

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Speaker 1: that would be the balance. Like I'd rather have a

914
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: I'd rather get a wide receiver to go with Davante

915
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Speaker 1: and Aaron, and sign a tight end in the off

916
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: season like Austin Hooper and then get Austin Hooper, Laviska, Chanol, Davante, Adams, Rogers.

917
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Speaker 1: Let's roll in the running backs question for the Pots.

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Speaker 1: Since listening to you, I agree that building a defense

919
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: from the front to the back makes the most sense.

920
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: As a Ravens fans, it worries me that we invest

921
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: so much in the secondary over the front seven. This

922
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: past season seemed to out What are your thoughts on

923
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: Eric to Costa in general and more specifically his philosophy

924
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to building a defense. Favorite podcast by

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Speaker 1: far I love you then, uh well, yeah, I would

926
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Speaker 1: always go defensive line first. The one thing the Ravens though,

927
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: have done consistently is developed defensive lineman, right. I mean

928
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Darius Smith, the Judon guy right now. I didn't even

929
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: know who he was when I was in the league.

930
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: They were always pumping out trying to think McPhee they

931
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Speaker 1: draft in the mid rounds that they're really good. If

932
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: the Steelers dominate drafting wide receivers, the Ravens dominate drafting

933
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Speaker 1: defensive lineman. So I wouldn't be that worried, you know.

934
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Speaker 1: They the Ravens just know what they're doing. They're coaching.

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Speaker 1: I mean, wink, Martindale's just he's probably a lifetime defensive coordinator.

936
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Speaker 1: He's just a big time coach. I'd feel pretty good

937
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: about it if I was you from a talent standpoint,

938
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Speaker 1: how far off do you think the Giants are from

939
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: contending the NFC East. Someone told me at dinner last night.

940
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Speaker 1: I was at dinner with some of my scouting but

941
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Speaker 1: he's that worked with in Philly, and uh, they're not.

942
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: They're all over the country now, different teams. So I

943
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: don't want to throw him under the bus, but I

944
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Speaker 1: don't think they're there a bottom five roster, a bottom

945
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Speaker 1: five roster. Now Sa Kwon elite player, one of the

946
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: best players in the league. One of my buddies actually

947
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: like Dandy Dimes, so they got Sa Kwan. They got

948
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes. What out? Their offensive line stinks? Their defense,

949
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: they don't have any defensive players. They don't have one

950
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: good defensive player. Well, I guess the guy they drafted

951
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: last year from Clemson solid, but he's a nose tackle.

952
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: They got a long long way to go. Uh Seahawks

953
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: fan here, so obviously not the biggest Niner supporter. That

954
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: being said, I love San fran being good again this

955
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: year because to have rejuvenate the Hawks Niners rivalry of

956
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: the recent past. Whenever both of our teams are good,

957
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: the games are wild and clearly some of the most

958
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: hard fought of the season. Some of my favorite football

959
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: moments have come from these games, from Sherman tipping the

960
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: end zone pass, the Chancellor absolutely deck and Vernon Davis

961
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: clean hit by the way, I agree, I definitely enjoyed

962
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: so much more than both teams are good in the

963
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: rivalries heated. What are your thoughts on the rivalry? Do

964
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Speaker 1: you guys? Do you guys have as much passion and

965
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: excitement behind it. Do you, I don't know, do me

966
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Speaker 1: like me personally? I freaking love it and he's my

967
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: favorite game of the year. I would say fifteen years ago,

968
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: my favorite game in the NFL was Pittsburgh Baltimore. I

969
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: like blood bass. I watched football for the violence, for

970
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: the physicality. Now I love the skill. I love quarterbacks

971
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: throwing touchdowns. I love running back bussing out big runs.

972
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: But I'm old school. I'm a thirty five year old

973
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Speaker 1: old school football viewer, and I love people getting decleted.

974
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: And I was at the Monday night game that win

975
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: overtime that they kicked the game win and field goal

976
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: with no time left. That thing was a war zone.

977
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Speaker 1: The second game in Seattle, I mean that the the

978
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: hits that go on there. Seattle was not as good

979
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Speaker 1: as the Niners, and they basically came within an inch

980
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: of beating him twice. Because Seattle is a heavyweight fighter.

981
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: They're like Rocky Balboa. You know, you're like God. They

982
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: don't have that many sweet players. Mean, Russell is a star,

983
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: but their roster wasn't that great. How do they do it?

984
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: Because they are mentally and physically tough, and I'll give

985
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: Kyle a lot of credit, uh that they are too.

986
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: So it's it's my favorite game of the year right now.

987
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I love it now. I'm biased, you know,

988
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: but it's a sweet game. I've had a scenario I've

989
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: been thinking of to clear out some cap space and

990
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: thought I'd see what you think would it be possible

991
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: to franchise Armstead and package him and d Ford and

992
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: pick thirty one is getting big to the Washington Redskins

993
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: to get number two Chase Young a second or third

994
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: rounder on top. I don't know what the dead cap

995
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: would be for Ford, not that high. Would move would

996
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: potentially open up some salary cap space. Just splitting the

997
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: idea out here, spitball in the idea out here. Yeah,

998
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that's on the table. I mean the

999
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: Redskins actually, defensive line is pretty good. Again, the Redskins

1000
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: might take quarterback. I'm telling you that their defense is fine.

1001
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: Add a couple of corners to go their front seven

1002
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: is good. Duayne asking Snaks uh San Diego Native. I

1003
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: really hope Rivers go somewhere good. So the two things

1004
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: I want both can happen. Rivers to win a Super

1005
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: Bowl and the l A Chargers just suck forever. Charges

1006
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: are such a clown show. Be Dee Samannes, what an

1007
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: embarrassment to the league? Uh? Would you like to grow

1008
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: your Instagram pictures like organically or make your profile look

1009
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: balanced and reach out to maximum people? No, I just

1010
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: want to post Instagram pictures. I don't give a shit

1011
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: about that. Is there a scenario that Carolina makes a

1012
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: big splash it makes a huge haul to trade up

1013
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: for Borrow? They hired Joe Brady and Matt Rule, maybe

1014
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: looking to guarantee his success with a franchise quarterback in

1015
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: the eleventh hour situation. Now I think they're gonna take

1016
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: and get a quarterback next year. I think the Panther

1017
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: is gonna be one of the worst teams in the league.

1018
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: Trader cut cam and just and just stink for Lawrence? Uh,

1019
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: lifelong Giants fan with the number four pick? Are we

1020
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: at the point where trading down isn't an option for

1021
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: a bundle of picks? Is it a strong class? So

1022
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: I imagine trading down can be the worst thought. The

1023
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: problem is Dave Yettlman has never or traded down in

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00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: his career in like eight drafts or seven drafts. Peter

1025
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: King wrote it not one trade down in his entire career.

1026
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Speaker 1: Think about that, I think on nuts that is, that's crazy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you listening. I hope you enjoyed the pod talking

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Speaker 1: to those guys and uh, thanks for the support. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed the content and have a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: Audios M.