1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: Single best idea out an Apple podcast. Thank you Apple 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: for inventing podcasts. It's a boom industry. Our theory is 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: not like when we started this decades ago, which was 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: really exciting to do that with Apple at the time. 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: But to give you something short like six minutes, and 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: today I may even make it a little shorter. I'm 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: fighting a plague. You can hear it throughout the tapes 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: that we've got today. Thanks to the team, particularly Paul 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: Sweeney for putting up with it. But you know, like 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: everybody else, I'm medicated. Thank you to David Gera for 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: tea from Brooklyn is different. It was sacred or some 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: of the sacred vibe apothecary. It's very you know, I 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: don't know what was in it. Maybe been some you know, 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: beverage of my choice in it. Anyways, thank you David 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: Gerr for bringing in tea today. A joy to speak 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: to Richard Clarita. He was the dean of Columbia Economics. 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: He brought Joe Stiglitz to Colombia. Just to give you 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: an idea of what really matters in bringing in faculty. 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: It's where a Dean could say, hey, come in and 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: was vice chairman of the FED. He's this legit academic 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 2: with his work on DSGE. But we talked to Richard 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: Clarina now at PIMCO today about the path forward for 24 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: the FED theory underlying let's listen. 25 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: My sense, obviously from public comments of not only the 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: Chair but the committee is that they've understood Tom for 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: some time that the shock was sufficiently unusual and substantial 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: that they need they can, and they are relying less 29 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: on models and more on the way the data evolves. 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: You know, Tom, on one hand, you know, the models 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: were telling him that to get inflation down from five 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: and a half to two points something, they need to 33 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: have a big increase in the unemployment rate. And both 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: Governor Waller, Serpell and others said, look, the economy may 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: be different this time. 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: We don't have to. 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: Assume a big cratering in the labor market. 38 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: Richard Clarita and the FED out of the pandemic certainly 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: a historic moment. I really can't say enough about the 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: coverage of our team, Scottlandman leading our coverage in Washington 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: through this really historic period. Moving right along to what 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: we do, which is equities, bonds, currencies, commodities, and being 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: in New York and not in London. John Ferrell tells 44 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: me this all the time. London's really where the commodities are. 45 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: JOHNA happens to be correct. But with that said, out 46 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: of London are all sorts of ability, not just in 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: oil or you know a couple other commodities that matter, 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 2: but in what it's called the safts is the metals, copper, industrial, 49 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: gold and all that, but the sauce is a huge 50 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: part of the world. ConA Haik owns a high ground here. 51 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: She's with ed f and Man, which literally goes back, 52 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: I believe, to the American Revolutionary War. But ConA Haik 53 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: is encyclopedic on what's going on in the cocoa boom 54 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: and all that. And overlaying all of this, including in coffee, 55 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: is the drought. John Tucker today had a superb news 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: item us early in the day about the warm April, 57 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: the hot April, so many are feeling. I saw that 58 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: it's going to be ninety six today in Manila. Just 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: as one example. It's very hot in Vietnam as well. 60 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: Here's Coda Hak on coffee. 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: Coffee prices have risen sharply and they were thinking, oh, 62 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 4: is this the next cocoa and rightfully though again it's 63 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 4: fundamentals in the coffee supplied Amon situation is very tight. 64 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: We have Vietnam, which again heat dress and dryness has 65 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 4: caused a shortage of robusta, which is the stuff you 66 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: eat for US drink in espressos. So robusta coffee is 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: definitely tied in terms of supplied Amon fundamentals. Arabica is 68 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: produced in Brazil, but they also had, you know, a 69 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: couple of years of bad crops following by frost. You 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: don't get frost in Brazil. That's very abnormal. We've recovered 71 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: from them, but then you had a bout of droughts 72 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: and you've just not had perfect weather. And this is 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: the recurring theme. 74 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: Connor Hey of Ed and f Man, they're on coffee. 75 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: We're a really good conversation. Speaking of that conversation, just 76 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: out we have the full replay of the show two 77 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: hours and fifty six minutes. 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