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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you your production by Heart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: As always, if you choose to drink or whatever you're doing,

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Speaker 2: please do so responsibly. What are you doing, Samantha? Are

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Speaker 2: you doing it responsibly?

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Speaker 3: Always?

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Speaker 4: Because I get sleepy, like I just love how I'm

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Speaker 4: now and to the point of adulthood where I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I don't party anymore. Really, I've never really parted, let's

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Speaker 4: be very honest, but I barely do any of that.

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Speaker 3: I used to. I went to clubs like a short

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Speaker 3: spent time because I do love dancing. I do love dancing.

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Speaker 4: And now my clubbing is Zumba classes with the other

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Speaker 4: forty fifty year olds and we get into it just say,

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Speaker 4: you know anyway, But yes, I'm drinking coffee because I

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Speaker 4: am tired and it feels groggy. And it's cold again.

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Speaker 4: Why is it cold? For the dear love of God,

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Speaker 4: it is very cold here.

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Speaker 1: And I oh, I made the mistake of turning off

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Speaker 1: my radiator because it was hot.

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Speaker 2: It was warm for a while.

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Speaker 3: And now I'm really worried about that radiator.

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Speaker 1: We have a very adversarial relationship me and this radiator.

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Speaker 1: But now it's steaming up so much. I can't see

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Speaker 1: out my windows.

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Speaker 2: And uh.

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Speaker 1: This morning a friend of mine texting me and she's like,

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Speaker 1: it's knowing where I am. And I was, I was

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Speaker 1: trying to look out the window. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: can't tell im too cold to go outside, so.

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Speaker 2: We'll never know.

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Speaker 1: I am drinking wine because today it's a good wine.

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Speaker 1: And I want to make this clear at the top,

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Speaker 1: this is my opinion. This is my personal opinion. And

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Speaker 1: I might ruffle some feathers in the acting community if

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Speaker 1: we've got any actors listening, But all right.

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 3: Are you really doing something? Huh?

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Speaker 4: I feel like that that was such a big warning

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Speaker 4: because I love drama.

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Speaker 3: Let's do this team.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: I've gotten into so many arguments with other actors about this.

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Speaker 1: All right, So it is award season as we record this.

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Speaker 1: And I also want to say it does feel strange.

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Speaker 1: I think my Monday mini upcoming will be about this

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Speaker 1: kind of but it feels strange to talk about this

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Speaker 1: when it feels like the world is falling apart.

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Speaker 2: But we're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So it is a Ward season coming up, and I've

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Speaker 1: had this in my on my list of possible happy

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Speaker 1: Natalie Portman made this comment where she said method acting

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Speaker 1: is a luxury that women can't have, and she was

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Speaker 1: mostly commenting on how women are still expected to do

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Speaker 1: thank you. Someone finally said right, I will get into it,

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Speaker 1: but I've got a lot of thoughts about method actors.

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Speaker 1: Some of them are very good and have produced really

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Speaker 1: good performances. I will I will break it down in

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Speaker 2: For people, I think you know what method acting is.

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Speaker 1: It's when someone like quote becomes that character and they

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Speaker 1: ask people to call them by that name. They like

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Speaker 1: differentiate between that and doing your research. I think doing

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Speaker 1: you're not a total jack about it, I think that's good.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of thoughts about this, But that's

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Speaker 1: different than what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Jared

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Speaker 1: to differentiate between those two things. Right, You don't have

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Speaker 1: to convince me you are the joker. If you do,

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Speaker 1: Like there's a different there's a difference, right.

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Speaker 4: I think it's all comes back to the understanding that

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Speaker 4: if you're good at your craft, you don't have to

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Speaker 4: change a personality, Like it doesn't have to be that way. Like.

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Speaker 4: It also kind of comes to people who are like,

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Speaker 4: if you truly do this, then you're truly this, like

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Speaker 4: as in like you're not validated until you're boiling to

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Speaker 3: That's not healthy.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not healthy. And there have been a million

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Speaker 2: And there is.

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Speaker 1: A quote it's frequently attributed to Lawrence Olivier, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's ever been proven he was like the

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Speaker 1: one that said it. But it's you know, my dear boy,

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Speaker 1: have you tried acting like you don't have to do

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Speaker 1: these things? And it makes people, not just other actors,

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Speaker 1: it makes people on set uncomfortable. Like one time I

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Speaker 1: was working with somebody who said they were a method actor.

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Speaker 1: He was playing a rapist. Oh you know how uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? This method acting?

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Speaker 1: Like? What are you talking about exactly? And it's just

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I think and I have.

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Speaker 1: When I was kind of lightly researching this, I found

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Speaker 1: a BuzzFeed list and it was like seventeen worst examples

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Speaker 1: of method actors. They were all white men, and I

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: What I don't know did Michael B. Jordan did he do?

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Speaker 4: He didn't do method acting for Black Panther, right. He

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Speaker 2: He like went on the streets and isolated himself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but not necessarily actually full method.

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Speaker 1: Right, which is I do think there are different degrees

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Speaker 1: line between research and method to me, right, I do.

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Speaker 1: I do think there are some method actors that are

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Speaker 1: is I know a lot of actors who use accents

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Speaker 4: I think, uh Rene Zelleger she did that because she

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Speaker 4: I just have to keep it the entire time, like

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Speaker 4: she would keep her English accent for Bridget Jones diary.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which I get. That makes sense to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: If I knew you personally and you had an accent,

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Speaker 4: I would make fun of you the entire time. I

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Speaker 4: being mean, but I just think it's hilarious to see

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's just odd, but I mean.

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Speaker 1: Another issue I have with this kind of hardcore method

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Speaker 1: I don't think if you had to do that as

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Speaker 2: Like an excuse.

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Speaker 1: It just kind of feels like an excuse to act

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Speaker 1: People who are just famous can be. People have liked

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Speaker 4: I mean also there's a crossover to where they really

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Speaker 4: the Last Tango. I was trying to remember which movie was,

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Speaker 4: which was Marlon Brando and they assault a woman on

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Speaker 4: cause I don't want to just leave one predator name

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Speaker 4: out being Bernardo Bortolucci. They hadn't made this plan not

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Speaker 4: to get her real quote reactions in order to her

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Speaker 4: Marlon Brando and Bortolucci really are just still revered. I

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Speaker 4: think the conversation has gotten bigger about it and understanding,

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Speaker 4: but like that level of it, like it becomes it

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Speaker 4: point of like why.

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Speaker 3: What what what for you? Why? Why does what is

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Speaker 4: That you need this to happen in this route and

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Speaker 4: it's giving you a thrill and that you really want

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Speaker 4: to have it on camera.

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Speaker 3: And I think the same thing with like.

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Speaker 4: The shining with the shining and how they tortured fall

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Speaker 4: like they tortured her because she wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Quote unquote real enough in her reaction, Like.

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Speaker 4: It's such a way that it is white men wanting

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Speaker 4: to torture women.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the examples the BuzzFeed article gave

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Speaker 1: was I never heard of this. I've never seen this movie,

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Speaker 1: but it was Meryl Streep and Dustin Hoffman. Apparently Dustin

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Speaker 4: Well, like as I'm looking at Jared Leto's like list,

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Speaker 1: Well maybe we'll come back and do a full episode

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Speaker 4: Uh, but apologies to all the Jared Leto lovers.

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Speaker 3: Apparently I really don't like him. I don't know why

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