1 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious XIM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: one thirty two. How many bail bond hearings have I conducted? 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: So many? Hundreds, maybe thousands, I don't know, over ten 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: years in inter city Atlanta felony courtrooms. I Nancy Grace, 5 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories, and I am on the alert 6 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: a major major change in the bill bonding industry right now, 7 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: and it is going to affect crime victims everywhere, and 8 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: it is wrong. Please help us stop this travesty of justice. 9 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: When I first heard this, I thought I was hearing wrong. 10 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: I thought I didn't understand what's happening. It's how in 11 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: multiple states. But I'm gonna use California as my example 12 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: because with me right now, you know her well, Beth Chapman, 13 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: bounty hunter, along with her her friend and colleague Bobby Brown, 14 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: Alan Duke with me and also Mark Class, crusader for 15 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: crime victims Rights and a crime victim himself after the 16 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: kidnap and murderer of his little girl, Polly. I'm stunned, 17 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: Mark Class. I'm stunned at what they are trying to 18 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: do in California and many jurisdictions. I don't want to 19 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: make it complicated, and but explain to me in simple 20 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: terms what they're trying to do. Basically, open up the 21 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: jail doors and let the offenders walk free. What about 22 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: the victims, innocent victims minding their own business when this 23 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: goes down. Oh breaks my heart, you know, it just 24 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: breaks my heart. Criminals are the mute victims that see, 25 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: that's the problem here what this is all about. It's 26 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: about eliminated cash bail, so that offenders that are arrested 27 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: for crimes can be released on their own recognizance under 28 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: the assumption that they'll show up for trial, which I 29 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: think it is laughable in the face of it. It's 30 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: because the rival conviction rate in this country, certainly in California, 31 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: is very, very very low, despite what you see on 32 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: TV and the episode of crime shows. So what they're 33 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: doing is they're taking predominantly guilty individuals and allowing them 34 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: to rotate through the system without any kind of repercussions whatsoever. 35 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: So in other words, somebody gets, okay, okay, you're using 36 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: way way confusing words right now. Let me in stand 37 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: if I haven't correct Mark class because at first I 38 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: thought maybe Alan Duke had told me wrong. That was 39 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: my my first gut instinct that this can't possibly be true. 40 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: But but from what I understand, it's called Senate bill 41 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: tent according to Beth Chapman joining me here, and you know, Mark, 42 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I've never really cared about a 43 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: vendetta on homeless people that may urinate in public or 44 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: somebody jaywalking. I don't want anybody with a traffic offense 45 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: sitting behind bars. You know why, A I don't think 46 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: they should be behind bars. Been b them sitting there 47 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: is taking the spot of a real criminal, like a killer, 48 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: a rapist, a child molester, a drug lord. I want 49 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: that bed open for a real criminal. I don't care 50 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: if they quickly get out of jail and and don't 51 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: sit there waiting on their trial for urinating in public. 52 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: But you have to have a bone of fighting, a 53 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: real a genuine bond hearing. Because when I would do 54 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: bond hearing smart class, I needed to get the police 55 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: report for the police department. I needed to run a 56 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: g C. I see a Georgia rap sheet, a national 57 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: rap sheet. I needed to know who am I dealing with? 58 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: Do I have some money with warrant out on them 59 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: from another state? I mean, you can't just arrest somebody 60 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: and then let them walk out. Hold on Beth walks 61 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 1: in the whole premise of people being in jail because 62 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: they're poor is just that it's it's premise. The fact 63 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: is is that people aren't in jail because they're poor. 64 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: They're in jail because they broke the law. And what 65 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: we're doing these days is we're shifting the sympathy from 66 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: the victims where it should be, and we're putting it 67 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: back on the poor thug who now can't get out 68 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: of jail. You know, look, nobody wants to see a guy, 69 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: a first time offender, someone who's never been in trouble before, 70 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: someone who's not currently on bond, somebody who's not on 71 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 1: parola approbation, languishing in jail simply because of money. There's 72 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: no problem with that. But we all know in a 73 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: real society that if a person can't come up with 74 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: one hundred or two hundred dollars to get out of jail, 75 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: that's probably because he's a pretty bad guy, or he's 76 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: probably burned all his bridges, His parents are sick of him, 77 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: friends are sick of him, and you know, there's gotta 78 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: be parameters, and there's no common sense to these regulations 79 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: that they're implementing. They're putting them in with a wide 80 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: sweeping brush. They're saying anybody with a low line misdemeanor. 81 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: So we're not talking about just urinating in public, which 82 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: is the example that keep throwing out. We're not talking 83 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: about a traffic offense. Misdemeanors. You know what that says 84 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: to me? Wife beaters, partner beaters, beating it. You know, 85 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: you hit a kid, you hit your wife. Oh, that's 86 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: just a misdemeanor. I don't want those guys walking right 87 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: back out. Just for an example, here in California, rape 88 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: of an intoxicated person is a misdemeanor, which would mean 89 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: Andrew Luster, the illustrious career maker for my husband, who 90 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: had a hundred and eighty seven counts of rape and poisoning, 91 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: would be eligible to get out of jail at this point. Okay, 92 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: And another thing I don't want to ignore, Beth is yeah, 93 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: Bill bondsman, this is how they make their living there. 94 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: You make money off bonding people out. But here's the 95 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: rub already, you know, so we can't say, oh, we 96 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: have no interests. Of course, you have an interest. Fine, 97 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: but if we didn't have Bill Bondsman, who's gonna go 98 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: look for the guys on the LAMB cops already are 99 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: so thinly spread they can't already get all the criminals. 100 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: So they're gonna go find somebody out on bond. They don't. 101 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: They don't have enough manpower for that. They don't, and 102 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: we we don't have resources to do that. See what 103 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: people forget is that bail Bondsman's are user funded service. 104 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: We are no tax were at no cost to the taxpayers. 105 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: This pre trial service program that they're trying to put 106 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: didn't implement into California is going to cost in the billions. Nancy. 107 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is an already overstressed, over taxed community 108 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: where people are paying an enormous gas tax, and what 109 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: they don't know is that their property taxes are going 110 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: to be raised to implement this. This is not going 111 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: to just cost no money. Why Mark Class is joining us? 112 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm here in Vegas with Beth Chapman, Bobby Brown joining me, 113 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Mark Class Crime Victims champion, Mark Dummy down for me. 114 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: Explain to me. I almost can't believe it. Explained to me, 115 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: so I can understand what's happening. Well, what's happening, and 116 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: this is part of a much larger trend in the 117 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: in the country right now. What's happening is that criminals, 118 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: there's such a move to unload our prisons that everything 119 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: is being dumbed down. And certainly this bailis who is 120 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: being dumbed down to everything that Beth just said. And 121 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: what's happening is individuals that are being arrested for very 122 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: real crimes are now going to be able to get 123 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: out of prison or I'm sorry, they won't even go 124 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: to jail. They'll have a quick they'll have a quick 125 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: hearing with a judge. They'll be released back onto the 126 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: street where they can, of course commit more and more 127 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: and more crimes. And there's no bond. I mean, wait minute, 128 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: what's their incentive to come back? Hold on, Bobby, you 129 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: have you have a theory there is no inCider him 130 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: to come back. It's ridiculous, it's absurd. It's taken a 131 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: guilty individual releasing him on his own cognizance and expecting 132 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: him to come back for trial and be convicted and 133 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: put into prison. It's ridiculous, Mark, Bobby Brown. We have 134 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: one thing that people don't understand is that when we 135 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: post a bond, we have a contract with the court 136 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: that we will bring that person back to face the 137 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: charges that they have been charged with on pre trial. 138 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: They get a pinky promise, and all they do is 139 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: they say, you know, yeah, of course I'll go to court. Well, 140 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: what else are they gonna say? Do they go to court? No, 141 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: who's going to go out and pick them up? Nobody? 142 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: We do that, And and the disservice is to the victims, 143 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: it really is. I mean, I don't want these guys 144 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: walking through my front yard. I can tell you that 145 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: much with my children. And here here's the other thing 146 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: to Mark class Beth Bobby. I remember all the years 147 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: I prosecuted felonies. Every week beginning and end, we would 148 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: get a notification. I ran the state's business in one 149 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: courtroom out of many courtrooms of the jail camp. The 150 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: cases assigned to my judge and me that we're sitting 151 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: in jail, not out on bond, and it was our 152 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: duty to try those cases first. Well, I was on 153 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: trial every other week trying to keep my jail count 154 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: down down down, or I you know, I get a 155 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: butt chewing, all right, So here there's not gonna be 156 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: a jail. Can't they just let the people out? The 157 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: heat is off. But what's gonna happen? Mark class? When 158 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: these people come to the bond there is no bond hearing. 159 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: They get charged the cop, the judges okay, now show 160 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: up on this date and they walk out at my 161 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: understanding this and here's what happens, Just to be clear, 162 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: what's going to happen is as soon as a person 163 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: is arrested, they have to see a pre trial release worker. 164 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: Then they are given an eight question questionnaire that was 165 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: made by the Arnold Foundation, which by the way, is 166 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: being sued in the state of So they have to 167 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: feel out a questionnaire. They won't fill it out, they'll 168 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: be asked those questions. So they will be asked these 169 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: questions by a pre trial service worker. They will give 170 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: whatever answers they give, and they will be released mainly 171 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: based on those things. The Arnold Foundation is being sued 172 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: in the state of New Jersey because they deemed a 173 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: guy named um Jules Black a very low lying criminal. 174 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: He was caught with a gun. They gave him a 175 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: pr bond on the gun. Three days later he shot 176 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: and killed June Roger's son in the street. The Arnold 177 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: Foundation's risk assessment tool is flawed. It's flawed in California, 178 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: It's flawed everywhere that they're implementing it. They're even implementing 179 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: it in Georgia. But the fact is is that you 180 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: cannot trust an algorithm to be able to tell you 181 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: what a person's past history is. And as part of 182 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: this very form movement, they do not even want to 183 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: let the prosecutors, uh, Nancy, they don't even want to 184 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: let the prosecutors take into consideration what their past history is, 185 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: what their past crimes were, you know, and and it's 186 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: actually a hugg a thug campaign. Well, I want to 187 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,359 Speaker 1: follow up on what Beth just told us to Mark class. 188 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: This is a real example of where this this legislation 189 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: is go wing. She mentioned this guy, Jules Black. He's 190 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: now charged with murder. Now, he had been arrested just 191 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: days earlier on a simple weapon charge, simple weapons charge 192 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: and then released three days later. Seventy two hours after 193 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: being set free by the court, he guns down somebody else. 194 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that is where we're headed. That that's what happened. 195 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: And I'm taking a look at his victim. Uh he 196 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: was pulled over front having a nine and nine millimeter. 197 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: It was confiscated. He was taken to Cumberland County Jail. 198 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: He appeared in front of a judge. They let him, 199 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: no bail. He was led out of jail the very 200 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: same day. No bond hearing, no district attorney trying to 201 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: hold him behind bars, no rap sheet, run nothing, He 202 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: gets out. Bam, you got another dead body. Times he 203 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: shot him. What about it? Mark class and break your heart, 204 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, And it flies right in the face of 205 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: victims rights as well, Nancy, because so many states have 206 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: passed laws over the course of the last twenty years 207 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: allowing victims or saying that victims need to be notified 208 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: when their offender is released from prison or is released 209 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: from any kind of a bond, type of a situation. 210 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: And and there are no situations anymore. These guys are 211 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: being arrested. They're putting that right back on the streets. 212 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: They're endangering police, they're endangering their victims, they're endangering society 213 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: at large. And absolutely nobody went this is going to 214 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: be expensive, it's going to create a lot of misery 215 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: in our society, and the victims are going to be 216 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: piling up upon each other. Yeah, not class. I can 217 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: still remember I had been on air all day. I 218 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: came down to my office this when I was at 219 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: court TV, sat down, flipped on my computer and there's 220 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: an email from a viewer that said, Nancy, did you 221 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: not your fiance's murderer just got out of jail. I 222 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: had no idea he had. He had map role. If 223 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: they institute this, this legislation, victims rights will well, there 224 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: will be no such thing because the speed of putting 225 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: the person out on the street with no bond or 226 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: bail hearing, no notice to victims, how are they going 227 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: to be heard? I mean, this is flies directly in 228 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: the face of Mary's Law, of the Victims Rights campaign. 229 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: No victim will have any say in any of this, 230 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: smart class, No, no, no, no, It's such a horrible situation. 231 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: This is turning back the talk to the time when 232 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: we had a crime epidemic in our society, back when 233 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: your fiance was murdered, Back when my daughter was murdered, 234 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: when people were afraid to be out onto the streets, 235 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: and when women were afraid to let their eyes off 236 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: of their children. We're going right back to it. It's 237 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: unbelievable and the result is going to be sore crime. 238 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: We're already seeing it in California with a lot of 239 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: the other moves that have been made. And it's just 240 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: heartbreaking that week when they keep using New Jersey as 241 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: it's as it's a poster child. The New Jersey senator 242 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: and two assemblymen who wrote the bill in New Jersey 243 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: wrote a letter and it's probably in one of the 244 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: packets that I sent you, Nancy, but they call it 245 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: a complete disaster, and they tell they wrote to the 246 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: to the Senate leader Rendan in California and said, please 247 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: do not implement these laws in California. It's a disaster 248 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: here in New Jersey. What's going on there, Nancy, is 249 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: people are being like they'll rob someone early in the 250 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: morning and then they get arrested, and then by two 251 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: o'clock there in another district robbing someone again. They get 252 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: arrested the second time in the same day, and so 253 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: on and so forth. There's about the Atlantic City incident. 254 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: Best Chapman. Uh just just this week, uh, New York 255 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: man arrested and released following a domestic violence assault, returns 256 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: to his hotel to commit a sex assault and be 257 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: arrested again. It was about five in the morning. Patrol 258 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: officers respond to the Ballet's parking garage. Uh they get there, 259 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: they separate the victim, a woman and her boyfriend. The victim, 260 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: of course, was covered in physical signs of a beating. 261 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: She had to be treated by medical personnel. His charged 262 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: with simple assault and according to the reformed guidelines, he's 263 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: released on a summits, which means a pinky promise to 264 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: come back to court in the future. What does he do? 265 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: He gets out of booking in detention at nine am. 266 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: Even three am, patrol officers respond to the Bally's Hotel 267 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: and Casino on report of a hotel employee being sex assaulted. 268 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: A fifty one year old woman pushed into a hotel room, 269 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: physically assaulted, sex assaulted by who. This guy allegedly jam 270 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: l Carton Carlton, the thirty two year old guy. They 271 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: just promised he'd be back in court. The woman is 272 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: sex assaulted, dragged into a hotel room, beaten and sex assaulted. 273 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: He was just at the at the booking that morning 274 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: two hours before mark class, two hours and there was 275 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: no bill bond hearing. Then there's absolutely no accountability and 276 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: they don't take the criminal history into account. It's a 277 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: fake risk assessment that they have. These guys fill up 278 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: which and no time at all, will probably be all 279 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: over the internet and every every would be criminal in 280 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: the world will know how to answer these things and 281 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: know how to get released back in the into the streets. 282 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: It's it's it's a horrible situation. That's a good point 283 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: mark because you know, they sit in jail with each 284 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: other and they say, and when you go to the 285 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: risk assessment, here's how you answer the questions. There are 286 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: eight questions. These are not hard. It's not like they 287 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: have a revolving test. And you know, Nancy, I just 288 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: want to give you some um perspective on what the 289 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: misdemeanors are in California. Giving a gun to a known 290 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: gang member is a misdemeanor. Bringing a bomb to a 291 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: school is a misdemeanor. First and second degree rioting is 292 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: a misdemeanor. You wonder why people are are clouding our 293 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: highways and walking and blocking traffic because it's not illegal 294 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: to do so. You know, rape of an intoxicated person, 295 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: rape of someone who is asleep. These are all non 296 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: violent misdemeanors. There. I don't want you to somehow minimize 297 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: what we're saying because of the bail bond industry. Yes, 298 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: they've got a dog in the fight. If there's not 299 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: a bail bond industry, they go out of business. Fine, 300 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: that does not mean that what they're saying is not true. 301 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: What they are saying is true, Mark class I don't 302 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not explaining it correctly because I 303 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: really can't believe what I'm saying. But right now, California 304 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: is about to pass a law a referendum that will 305 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: completely change the face the complexion of criminal law. Victims 306 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: are going to be re victimized yet again. I mean, 307 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: this is a travesty. Mark. How can I state more 308 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: plainly about what California is considering? Well, California has been 309 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: doing this for a number of years now, in fact, 310 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: ever since Governor Brown was reelected. They're finding ways to 311 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: turn the criminals into victims and the victims into nonentities. 312 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: We are really the currency that drives a system that 313 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: allows individuals to be regurgitated onto the streets time and 314 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: time again. And this is exactly what this is. This 315 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: is about regurgitating dangerous people back on the streets with 316 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: absolutely no accountability, with absolutely no recompense to the victims, 317 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: and they are just going to continue to recommit under 318 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: false promises that still return to jail when the time 319 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: is right. And it's absurd. It's absurd, it doesn't. It 320 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: flies in the face of logic, it's flies in the 321 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: face of reason, and it flies in the face of good, known, 322 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: strong policy that requestion. You know, here's another example, Beth. 323 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: With me is Beth Chapman from A and A one 324 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: of my new homes. Bobby Brown, her colleague aland with 325 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: me here also with me, renowned victims rights advocate Mark Class. Beth, 326 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: you were telling me about and I researched the shooting 327 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: incident in Newark. What happened? So this is a domestic 328 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: violence of victim who had had repeated repeatedly been beaten 329 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: by the boyfriend, and the boyfriend had been released several 330 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: times in the past. Uh, there was a domestic violence 331 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: incident happened and he came back and killed her. And 332 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: at that point the Newark mayor came out and because 333 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: his I think it was his sister was family member, 334 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: someone had been a victim of domestic violence that it 335 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: hit really close to home for him. And this was 336 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: just last week, Nancy and the mayor came out and said, 337 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: this is enough. It's enough now. I went to New 338 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: Jersey last year and I appealed to Chris Christie while 339 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: he was still a governor, and I told him, if 340 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: you don't change this, it's going to be a blood 341 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: bath here in New Jersey. He laughed in my face. 342 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: He laughed at me, and he said, you guys are 343 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: just greedy bondsman's and you're just lining your pockets. Okay, Well, 344 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: you know it's been a blood bath in New Jersey 345 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: and now even the newer mayor is coming out saying 346 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: it's got to stop. I think, I said the press release, 347 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: did you did the New York mayor Mark Class really begging? 348 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: But you know what, it's it's a deal there unless 349 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: they reverse it. But what do you wa do to 350 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: stop California and now Georgia from following suit? Mark? Well, 351 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing that can be done now, Nancy, 352 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: is to contact legislators, and to contact legislators with absolute outrage. 353 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: I would suggest that anybody listening to this write an 354 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: email to their local legislator, UM and I'm talking about 355 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: on the state level, not the federal legislators at this point, 356 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: to email them, to write them, to call their office, 357 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: and to text them if they have the ability to 358 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: do that, and let them know under no uncertain terms, 359 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: that they want to restore victim rights, they want to 360 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: restore criminal accountability, and they want to ensure that we 361 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: have safe streets, because otherwise, this is a this is 362 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: a this is a ball. It's rolling down the hill, 363 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: and it's rolling down fast. It's like a snowball. It's 364 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger and bigger based on the false 365 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: information that the proponents are giving to us. Well, i'll 366 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: tell you another thing, Mark Class. I feel like what 367 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: you read about in the newspaper about the so called reform. 368 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: It sounds great when you just read it. Says, well, 369 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: low level offenses like urinating in public or a traffic offense, 370 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: we don't want those people languishing behind mars, right. I 371 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: agree with that, But that's not really what it is. 372 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: That's not the whole story. I think it's irresponsible the 373 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: way it's being portrayed. When I first read it, I thought, 374 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: what's the big deal? Who cares? Uh, it's not that 375 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: at all, mark class. That is not what's happening, and 376 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: there's no you know, Nancy has Beth had mentioned earlier, 377 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: California has reclassified a lot of really horrible felonies to 378 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: misdemeanors over the course of last several years. And in fact, 379 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: there's only a very narrow list of violent offenses in 380 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: the state of California. Anything else that's not narrowly to 381 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: find is considered a non violent offense, including oral copulation 382 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: of of I think, what did you say of a 383 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: of a passed out individual and unconscious individual, child sex trafficking, 384 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, these are now considered non violent offenses. And 385 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: somebody can have a list of offenses that goes back 386 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: forty years, and we're going to start seeing that no 387 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: time at all. We've in fact been seeing it forever. 388 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: And those individuals are not going to be judged on 389 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: that criminal history. It's only going to be the pizza 390 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: that they stole from a kid or whatever, the thing 391 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: that they happen to get themselves into at the time, 392 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: and they're going to be returned right back onto the 393 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: streets with a big smile on their face and larceny 394 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: in their hearts. And you know, the thing about it 395 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: is is that you know, a lot of a lot 396 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: of your listeners may have remembered Harlem in the eighties 397 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: before uh the crime bill came, Mayor Giuliani, the Clinton's whatnot. 398 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: You know, there was so much crime in Harlem that 399 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: it was, you know, a war zone. Basically, what what 400 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: proponents of this bill forget is that they are not 401 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: going to be returning these people back to Beverly Hills 402 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: and back into the nice, fancy, fancy areas. They're going 403 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: to be returning these people back into the impoverished communities 404 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: where they just robbed, cheat and stole. They don't understand 405 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: that the victims still live there. There's gonna be victim intimidation. 406 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: There's gonna be you know, the victims are going to 407 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: be afraid. I remember when Andrew Luster was on the run, 408 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: when my husband was chasing them, the victims would call 409 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: my husband and they'd say dog. Every time the bushes 410 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: Russell outside my window, I shake it and fear. I 411 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: am so afraid that he is going to come back. 412 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: There has been absolutely no consideration given whatsoever to the 413 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: victims of these crimes. These legislators and I, you know, 414 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: I will throw this in the Senator Hertzberg, who is 415 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: one of the main authors of Senate Bill ten, who 416 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: is now accused of sexual misconduct in California, who is, 417 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: by the way, the only senator has not stepped down. 418 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: He still remains there today while all of these accusations 419 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: of inappropriate behavior linger. This is a guy being accused 420 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: of sexual misconduct who is out here advocating for the criminals. 421 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: And I just do not understand that when all of 422 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: the statistics are coming in, by the way, statistics are 423 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: coming in from Harris County in Texas where this has 424 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: already been implemented, and they're showing a forty three percent 425 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: failure to appear rate nancy on the people that have 426 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: been let out of jail. This is not working. And 427 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: I do not understand that when legislators from New Jersey 428 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: and stats from Texas, and and victims, the mother of 429 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: Christian Rogers has been out appealing to these people telling 430 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: them this isn't working. Why are our legislators turning a 431 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: deaf ear to this. And it's something that Marks said 432 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: earlier because it's trendy well, and what they're basing it on, 433 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: what they're hanging their hat on their peg trying to 434 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: justify this is it is claimed by the proponents that 435 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: it violates a defendants constitutional right in setting bail because 436 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: it differentiates between those that can afford it and those 437 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: that cannot afford it. Our constitution is not about money. 438 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: Our constitution is about protecting the rights. That's why we 439 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: give people lawyers if they can't afford them. That's why 440 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: the defendant, not the victim, has all the constitutional rights. 441 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: This is a way to protect victims. This is a 442 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: way for prosecutors, be a misdemeanor or felony, to have time. 443 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: I mean, give me seventy two hours for pete, say, 444 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: give me a couple of days to run the rap sheet, 445 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: to run the federal rap sheet, to get the police report, 446 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: to find out if it should be an enhanced crime. 447 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: They may be picked up for public your nation, but 448 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: are they connected to a car jacking down the street? 449 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you have to have time to look into 450 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: it before you say sure, are O are released on 451 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: own recognizance? Oh no, I don't want it on me 452 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: to be the one that advocates r O ur release 453 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: on your own recognizance? When I let somebody go that 454 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: just molested a little girl or just did a heinous act. 455 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: And that's what it's gonna boil down to. And you 456 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: have to remember some of these people in that twenty 457 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: four hour period that they're talking about releasing them, Nancy, 458 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: they're still in the same condition that they were arrested in. 459 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: That is reckless. If you you know, let's take Otis 460 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: the town drunk acohol. Let's let's say Otis from the 461 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: Andy Griffith show years ago. Right. Otis used to come 462 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: stumbling into Andy's office and he put himself in jail 463 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: because he knew that he was too drunk to be 464 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: on the street. And what these people are posing is 465 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: that we just let Otis right back out in the 466 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: same condition that we brought him in. That is reckless. 467 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: That's reckless. To Mark. Class bail bond is based on 468 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: three main prongs, and they are the seriousness of the offense, 469 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: previous criminal record, and probability of the perp attending trial. 470 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: And listen, I've had a purp, a high level felon 471 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: get away. I started the trial with him. He got 472 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: out because he was coming on bond. I had to 473 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 1: try the rest of the case without him. Well, needless 474 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: to say, there was a conviction, but that's what it 475 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: happened to me. And this was on a felony. For 476 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: Pete's sake, he walked right out of the courthouse one 477 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: day at lunchtime during his trial. Last I saw him 478 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: was him in his red leather jacket. I remember it 479 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. It happens. This is not some 480 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: made up fantasy of the bail bond industry, Wells and 481 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: ma up fantasy is the idea that somehow eliminating bond 482 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: is going to create a safer society. I don't know 483 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: where the reasoning comes from. I I don't understand. I 484 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: think we're under international pressure. Nancy. Uh. You know, the 485 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: United States has forever been considered one of the most Uh. 486 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: Well have to have had a higher percentage of our 487 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: citizens behind bars in any other But unfortunately, our citizens 488 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: are committing an awful lot of crimes and they need 489 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: to be held accountable for them, and that's being eliminated. 490 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: It's getting to the point where you can do whatever 491 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: if you want to be a criminal. If you want 492 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: to be a criminal in the United States, moved to California, 493 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: You'll be welcome with open arms. By our legislature and 494 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: by our governor. You know, one thing that I think 495 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: is really important that is that as a bossman they say, 496 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: oh it's it's about money, we do a lot of 497 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: work before we post that bond. We check that person out. 498 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: We've we've orifly what type of what kind of a 499 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: background that he has, what kind of criminal background he has, 500 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: And so that that's what's really important, is that we 501 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: we have a job and it's important to know that 502 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: we don't want to release somebody that we know is 503 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: going to it's about protecting the victim. You know what. 504 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: We we care about whether that victim is going to 505 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: uh be he you don't just be released and go 506 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: knock on our door and blow her head off. So 507 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, we do you know what, Bobby, We we 508 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: depend on our judges to make those decisions. Judges go 509 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: to school, they're highly educated, they're well versed in what's 510 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: going on. And these laws strip the judge of the 511 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: discretion that they have had for two hundred years, three 512 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: hundred years to make these decisions about on bail hearings. 513 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: Bail hearings are not about whether you're innocent or guilty 514 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: or you know, you're innocent until proving guilty. Bill hearings 515 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: have to do with are you going to be a 516 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: threat to the community and are you going to return? 517 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: And taking away that discretion from the judges is wrong. 518 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: You know, Mark, how many times have you and I 519 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: been searching for a missing person? How many times have 520 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: we been investigating a case of felony and then we 521 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: find out the guy who did it should have been 522 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: behind bars? And I can I tell you how much 523 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: that burns me up. They should have been behind bars 524 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: at the time the offense goes down. And this is this, 525 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: I swear the devil is having a dinner party tonight 526 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: because of this, a dinner party inviting all of his 527 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: minions that make these things occur, these heinous crimes. I mean, 528 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: how many of these cases have recovered because this bill 529 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: it's completely unrealistic and it puts such a burden on 530 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: the prosecution. You would have to arrest somebody and turn 531 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: them out unless than twenty four hours, the risk of 532 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: a dangerous felon being set free. I don't want my 533 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: fingerprints on that case. Every time I get a case, Mark, 534 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: I would remember my fiance being gunned down, And I 535 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: think if I let this guy go. It's on me, 536 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: It's my fault. And now prosecutors won't have the time 537 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: to turn it around, to do the research, to run 538 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: the rap sheet, to get the police report, to find 539 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: out what the hey they're doing. And another thing that 540 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: strikes me, Beth, Bobby Mark, is when you've got Mark 541 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: class against it, and you have the district attorneys against it, 542 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: and you have the judges against it, What in the 543 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: h E double is the California Assembly thinking? What? What? 544 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: What are they thinking? Mark? Or no idea what they're thinking, Nancy. 545 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: But to answer your question, we have gone through this 546 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: scenario hundreds and hundreds of times over the years, and 547 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: what it comes down to is a small percentage of 548 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: individuals are committing a large majority of the crimes. And 549 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: these are the guys that are getting arrested. These are 550 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: the guys that are facing these bond hearings, and to 551 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: hold them not accountable is is just It flies in 552 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: the face of not only reason, but it flies in 553 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: the face of of of safe streets, It flies in 554 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: the face of absolutely everything. Because there's going to be suffering, 555 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: there's going to be victims. Crime stats are going to 556 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: spike and we're going to find ourselves where we were 557 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: back in the early nineties. And I think it's really 558 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: important is that to think about who is making these decisions. 559 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: There are literally on the people that are being released 560 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: on pre trial release all our bonds. They there are 561 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: people that are take that are making these decisions, that 562 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: take an online course, They have no investigative background, they 563 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: have nothing. They take an online course and they make 564 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: a decision that this person is going to be released, 565 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,919 Speaker 1: and that person gets released, and that I think it's 566 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: really important to know that they there is nobody that 567 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: is following up on why they made that decision and 568 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: how they were able to make that decision, other than 569 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: they just say, Greenville, this is gonna just make you ill. 570 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: Four of the five men just arrested after an incredible, 571 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: heinous daylight shooting. They shoot a man in the head 572 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: while he's driving about two pm in Greenville. They're already 573 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: out on bond. The judge let them out on bond 574 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: at why. They say they would like for the suspects 575 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: to have had higher bonds, but the lower bonds were 576 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: likely attributed because the investigators didn't have enough information about 577 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: the shooting at the time. The bond was set in 578 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: seventy two hours. They had the information, but it was 579 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: too late. They're out on bond for gunning a man 580 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: down dead, shooting him in the head two pm. Brazen daylight, 581 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: but law enforcement and the judge was not given enough 582 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: time under the bonding schedule to investigate. And they're out 583 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: on quote, house arrest, house arrest, a daylight shooting of 584 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: a man in the head two pm in Greenville. They're 585 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: all out on bond. Help me out bath four of 586 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: the five men arrested and a horrific day a light shooting. 587 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: All right out, I'll bond absolutely going right here. Convicted 588 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: murderer fights cops, spits blood on them during a traffic stop, 589 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: and they're free to go under New Mexico bail reform. 590 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 1: This bail reform. If you go to u S Bail 591 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: Reform on Facebook, you can see story after story after story. 592 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: You will see people a guy who killed a police 593 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: officer in Colorado, maybe what one week ago, bob last week, 594 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 1: last week, free to go under under bail reform. Bail 595 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: reform is going to cause the most massive pandemonium and 596 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: chaos across this country. People have no idea how dangerous. 597 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: Our society is going to become and they can sit 598 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: and say this as oh, it's just a bondsman's just 599 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: a bonsman's Look, we're on the front line. We deal 600 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: with these people on a day to day basis. We 601 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: know who the frequent flyers are, we know who's a 602 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: danger to the community, know who to let out and 603 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: who not to let out. We do this for a living. 604 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: We do have steak in the game. We put up 605 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: our own homes, we put up our own collateral. We 606 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: have insurance companies that back us if we make a mistake, Nancy, 607 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: it's on us to go out there, find that person 608 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: and bring them back and and serve them back to 609 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: the jails. There is no one looking for these people. 610 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: There is no one going to be out there with 611 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: no accountability that they Reforms are also being considered in 612 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: Texas and in Mexico, Alabama, New Jersey, they just took 613 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: him out in Delaware. New York City. The como has 614 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: lost his mind. New York City. Can you imagine, Nancy, 615 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,959 Speaker 1: I cannot. If you're not from New York, don't go there, 616 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: because it is going to be an absolute dangerous situation 617 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: for anyone to visit. You know, many years ago, I 618 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: took an oath to protect other people, to do whatever 619 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: I had to do within the bounds of ethics, to 620 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: pretend other people and crime victims. And I know to 621 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: my core that this so called bail reform is going 622 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: to put innocent people at risk. I have no doubt 623 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: about it. Um the state of Kentucky, which had always 624 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: been the goal standard for bill reform, mandated a risk 625 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 1: assessment tool. Everything went sideways. It made a mockery out 626 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: of the justice system. As a matter of fact, one 627 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: offender arrested thirty four times and released on an unsecured bond. 628 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: And this is what I was telling you about there 629 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: being no no parameters, Like if you're already out on bond, 630 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: you shouldn't get another one. If you've been convicted in 631 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: the last three years, you shouldn't get another one. This 632 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: is a revolving door, over and over and over. And 633 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: the proponents of bail reform a c o U and 634 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: double a c P. You know, equal justice under law. 635 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: All of these people, Nancy, they don't want you to 636 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: look at how many times they've been arrested. They don't 637 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: want you to see what they're how dangerous these people are. 638 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: They think it's bias, and they think that that shouldn't matter. 639 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: We the people in this country, better stand up and 640 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: we better tell our legislators that we do not want 641 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: this and we want strong law and order, because if 642 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: we don't, we are going into a time that's going 643 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: to be so dangerous. We're gonna be the woman pulled 644 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: into the hotel room and beaten and assaulted. Uh. You, 645 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: your your sister, your mother, your neighbor. I mean, it's 646 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: it defies comprehension what they're doing. So Mark, tell me 647 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: what I can do about it? What can we do 648 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: about it? And it's not just California, No, it's not. 649 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: It's going this will probably be sweeping the country. And 650 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: all we can do, Nancy, is make our voices known. 651 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: Let our legislators, let our elected officials know exact see 652 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: how we feel about their efforts to make our streets 653 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: less safe by eliminating criminal culpability and criminal accountability. And 654 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: you do that through letters. You do that through uh 655 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: maybe even a petition campaign online. Those are very popular now. 656 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: You do it through emails, you do it through phone calls. 657 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: You make sure that your voice is heard. That's All 658 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: that we can do with citizens at this point is 659 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: make sure that our voices are heard and this and this. Okay, 660 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: we have to get on national news, We have to 661 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: come on shows like yours, Nancy, and we have to 662 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: depend on people like you who have are very large 663 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: public figures to help us get the word out. People 664 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: in the communities are reading just like you did originally. Oh, 665 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: that seems reasonable and being in public. That is why 666 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: they are sweeping this country with these lies, because no 667 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: one is challenging it. Because it seems reasonable that you 668 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: don't want someone languishing in jail for fifty dollars or 669 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: because they drink a beer or whatever. But that is 670 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: not the case. And what they don't understand is that 671 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: they may have fifty of those cases. They might have 672 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: fifty shopliftings. The big box retailers are really fed up 673 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: with this. You know, they've raised the minimum. Now you 674 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: can steal up to a thousand dollars from these stores 675 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: and get a summons. We cannot keep doing that. Well, 676 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: I remember Beth prosecuting, and I do bail bond hearings, okay, 677 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: And I would read the place report would personally go 678 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: run all the rap sheets or force my investigator to 679 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: help me do them all because there'd be so many 680 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: people and it would be a crush of people wanting bond. Well, 681 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: I look at the rap. She would be public urination, 682 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: public urination, public, your national public. All of a sudden, 683 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: peeping Tom, and I would suddenly I would be ignoring. 684 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is nothing, and I would WoT 685 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: peeping Tom, because you know that start then thent I 686 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: turned the page assault, sex assault, peeping Tom, molestation, blah blah. 687 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know until you look in depth. 688 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: And I'm very, very opposed to this lobby. Yeah, I 689 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 1: totally agree with Mark and uh. We all talk about 690 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: getting a hold of our state senators. Our senators are congressmen. 691 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: But I want to stress that I think it's extremely 692 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: important for us to get ahold of our city council 693 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: members in our own towns, are county commissioners, the people 694 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: that are in the cities that where they and they 695 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: are at the driving force. Put these people in upfront 696 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,760 Speaker 1: in person and ask how are you supporting this. There's 697 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 1: almost every police department in the United States right now 698 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: that have disbanded their Fugitive Warrant Division. That. I mean, 699 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: it's it's so who's out there actually going after these 700 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: police department cases, the Sheriff's department cases. They're not our cases. 701 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: We bond the people out of Jay What Bobby, when 702 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 1: you stop at the red light, just look around, because 703 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: those people on either side of you are at without 704 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: a bond. They're out walking for a bath. Yes they are. 705 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: And and Bobby's right. You know what, we need the 706 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: National Sheriff's Association to speak up. We need the National 707 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: um d A's Association. It isn't just about the bail agents. 708 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: And that's why you know there are like Mark Klauss. 709 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: Mark Klaus has been very vocal about this. He has 710 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: supported us. He has said, no, we no more hug 711 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: a thug. We want accountability and we need the other organizations, 712 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: the district Attorneys, the Alliance of Judges. You have endless 713 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: facts at your disposal there, Nancy, that you can see 714 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: there are huge organizations, uh Core the Congress of Racial Equality, 715 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,240 Speaker 1: if you can imagine, they are completely against this bond. 716 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: The Brotherhood of a New Destiny is against this, and 717 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: Victims United is against this. You know, this isn't about bail, 718 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: but it becomes very handy for people to just blame 719 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: it on the bail bondsman's. Look, we don't go out 720 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: and set these people's bonds judges do. We only abide 721 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: by the law. And what people seem to forget is 722 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: that bail bondsman's have for two hundred years made it 723 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: easier for people to get out of jail so that 724 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: they are not held when they cannot afford it. Bail 725 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: bondsman's across this country take payments, they make payment arrangements, 726 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: They drive them to court. They have been the mom 727 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: and pop operations. What I know. They go find them 728 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 1: and drag them in or they lose. The bail bondsman 729 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,319 Speaker 1: lose their money if they don't show up. Cops are 730 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 1: already spread so thin, they don't have time. They don't 731 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: have time to catch the bad guys much. Let's go 732 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: find the ones they got out all bond up mark 733 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: class final thought, Well, listen, if a police officer arrest 734 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: somebody and sees the guy walking off the door shortly 735 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: after the arrest, then there's a problem there. We know, Nancy, 736 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: that you create safe streets by holding criminals accountable for 737 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: their actions. You make sure that they paid bail you 738 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: make sure that they are convicted, You make sure that 739 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: they serve their time, and serve very real time, and 740 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: crime goes down. You start reversing those trends. Crime goes up, 741 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: crimes going up now, and this is going to be 742 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,800 Speaker 1: just another coggin nat wheel which is going to create 743 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: unsafe streets all over America. Well, you know what, it 744 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: may sound like, a bunch of theory and legal pulling 745 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: and pulling and pushing and jockeying. And that's what it 746 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: sounds like until it happens to you, I know. Nancy 747 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friends,