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Speaker 2: There this is between and the spring creation and we

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Speaker 2: Iheartrat or whoever you could podcast. As always, I am

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Speaker 2: enjoying cimaccount, Dad, Dad, that's so much. On this Memorial Day,

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Speaker 2: we are filming a Memorial Day.

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Speaker 1: We're Happy Memorial Day to me.

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Speaker 3: You say same to you. See I got my red,

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Speaker 3: white and blue, I do.

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Speaker 1: That's what reminded me. I sold the scars and I

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Speaker 3: Day, stars and bars. Happy Memorial Day. Yes, the heartburn

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Speaker 3: is overtaking me somewhat today after a nice barbecue at

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Speaker 3: the Chad Star's household yesterday, your invite was lost in

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Speaker 1: It's always lost in the mail. That's fine. What did

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Speaker 1: you eat? You know?

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Speaker 3: Heart burgers and dogs were on the menu. But it

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Speaker 3: wasn't the burgers and dogs. It was this pink lemonade

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Speaker 3: vodka concoction. Oh my god, I had a couple of them.

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Speaker 3: But it was this barstool vodka. It was. It was sugary,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's what was really sugary, this pink

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, I see, Okay, it.

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Speaker 3: Was I think that was the death blow of the

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Speaker 1: Look at you boozing it up.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to put out the fire.

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Speaker 1: You went it for such a long stretch without alcohol

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Speaker 3: Good group yesterday. It was a good group yesterday, So

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Speaker 4: I was like, man, when does this happen? My mom

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Speaker 1: Just trying to get in the gym and maintain the weight. Man,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it'll be good meal. And I got that

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Speaker 1: Does Liz want to see it?

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Speaker 3: She does? And I said that over and watch it.

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Speaker 3: I said, I was like, I go, what happened to you?

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Speaker 3: I saw the trailer and I wanted to bury. As

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes you are such a jerk. I can't

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Speaker 3: Later, big, I mean Nona, Nona.

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Speaker 4: I didn't call my grandma Nona, though I called her grandma.

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Speaker 1: Broken?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the little things that you I don't remember much,

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Speaker 1: So I think this movie will be cute, So I

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Speaker 3: I won't, all right, I won't. I just won't partake.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well I didn't invite you to come watch the

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Speaker 4: It might okay, Well you could tell Liz it's it's uh,

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Speaker 4: Anyway, we had an idea for this show that I

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Speaker 4: Well it's my idea, so you know, YouTube. I answer

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Speaker 1: I saw that I thought we could do. First. Oh

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Speaker 1: Like what is it accurate? How do they get this information?

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Speaker 4: Like how do they pull up the facts? Because I'm

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Speaker 4: telling you this the one thing. Everything it's I wish

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Speaker 1: Nothing was true, and I was just like, Wow.

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Speaker 4: Anybody who doesn't know me and taps that must think

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well we can do that. Well I've

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Speaker 4: I mean, I use this to generate the baby pictures

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Speaker 1: But this is what I used to generate my baby photos, so.

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Speaker 3: Which is great because somebody was trying to show me

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are.

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Speaker 3: Baby video technology, which to be fair, wasn't a big

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Speaker 1: You have to warm up to it.

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Speaker 4: My favorite I'm gonna give them a plug even though

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Speaker 4: they don't need it. My favorite baby videos, right y'all.

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Speaker 4: THEO Vaughn and Joe Rogan. THEO Vonn's face as a

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Speaker 4: And Joe Rogan's just this big, chubby, bald baby and

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Speaker 4: they're so cute, So I'm obsessed. I watch everything with them.

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Speaker 1: I love them. You can shake your head all you

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Speaker 3: The only thing is they're just weird. You know they're No,

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Speaker 3: they're not weird, they're weird. They're weird, weird, they're weird.

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Speaker 3: The one you're talking about Terry Funk and you're talking

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Speaker 3: it's weird. Well, and like the one, the previous one

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Speaker 3: where it's you know that one picture of you where

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Speaker 3: you you know, you're what you're wearing. I know what

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Speaker 3: It's weird, you know.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Oh wait till you see the next

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Speaker 3: I will be patiently waiting. This is this is where

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Speaker 3: I gotta tip. I told you, I tipped my cap

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, all right, let's not read all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Your impact on professional wrestling, particularly in ECW, main significant,

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Speaker 3: Oh. Developed organically through her evolving role in ECW during

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Speaker 1: That's interest. Well, okay, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, guys, guys putting you over well, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean you know he's not lying, all right, now, that's

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Speaker 4: Because I went from the bester with the Pipulls. Then

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, here we go, the Queen of Extreme Moniker

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Speaker 3: Let's go facts.

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Speaker 1: Everything came up wrong.

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Speaker 3: It might not have been CHAT that's.

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Speaker 3: They're all different though. You can build any kind of

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Speaker 3: Name known as the Queen of Extreme and ECW basic.

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Speaker 4: Facts pin okay, okay, so we know my full name,

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Speaker 3: You're retired in two thousand and six. Apparently no Okay

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Speaker 1: Her role I said to see you later.

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Speaker 3: We'll skip that one, okay, see if anything pops up afterwards. No,

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Speaker 4: So well, well, yeah, I mean it's just I think

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Speaker 3: It kind of rhymes oh absolutely, yeah. No, it's very catchy.

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Speaker 4: It's very catchy, and it's I think it's accurate, you know.

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Speaker 4: So I think my willingness to I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 1: And I think I earned that name, So you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't even remember how that came about. I don't

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Speaker 4: I don't remember, you know. I think they actually, I

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Speaker 4: I like signing using it. I like the way it sounds,

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Speaker 3: Do you think others may have resented you as the

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Speaker 1: And I like it. I like using it.

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Speaker 3: As a fan watching. I mean, you know, again, we

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Speaker 4: I remember the Beast Master. I was just like, ugh,

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Speaker 4: out like in those I don't know, like we got

442
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 4: to pick our own gear, obviously, and I did that

443
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: because I was paired with the Pipulls who always came

444
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: out in the PVC vinyl outfits. So what was I

445
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 4: gonna wear a pretty dress like? It didn't It didn't

446
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 4: make sense to me to dress that way. And I'll

447
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: never forget Mick Foley because I like sundresses and I

448
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 4: like girly stuff, and I would wear a sun dress

449
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 4: to the building and he pulled me aside one day

450
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: and he was just like, I like you better in

451
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: sun dresses than I do in that vinyl crap. And

452
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 4: I go, I know, but it doesn't match, Like it

453
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 4: wouldn't match what I'm.

454
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: Trying to you know. I was trying to accomplish like this,

455
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: this team that looked good together and it was just

456
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: super uncomfortable and I just hate it every minute of it.

457
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: And then when I got with Shane, I was just like, oh,

458
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: now I can dress in these beautiful gowns and dresses

459
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: and just look like I want to look. I want

460
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: to look pretty, but I also want to be bad

461
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: as you know, yeah, badass in heels. And that's what

462
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: I tried to do. And that's me just taking Sherry

463
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: Martell and Nancy Sullivan woman and putting them together and

464
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: creating my own.

465
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: Character, which I you know, that's that was my goal.

466
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: But then like the head cheerleader came about, and I

467
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: was just like, oh, because it's such a double entendre,

468
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 4: oh yeah, cheerleader. So I was like, okay, well, head cheerleader,

469
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: let me just do this little thing with the corner of.

470
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: My mouth just to give it a sexual innuendo in

471
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: the in the ring and stuff, and that would always

472
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a pop. And then I

473
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: just discovered that I was creating a horrorsh character that

474
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: everybody hated, but again, it was fun to play, you know.

475
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: They hated, but eventually everybody was cheering for you towards

476
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: that end of the run where Shane was about to leave,

477
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: and you guys were babyfaces, right, but you were getting

478
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 3: huge pops because they knew what to expect with your entrance,

479
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: and you know, you do little teas or whatever you

480
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: were gonna do on the rope. You know, people were

481
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: going nuts for you, even though at the beginning they

482
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: were booing the shit out of you when you first,

483
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: you know, turned and everything you did they hate it,

484
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: but eventually you were like turning them. Did you try

485
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: to turn them back when you heard people cheering for you?

486
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: Well?

487
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: I did turn them back because after Shane left, I

488
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: had my brief run with Dreamer, which I was a babyface,

489
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: which I hated.

490
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say I hated it. It wasn't as fun

491
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: as being the heel.

492
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 4: I prefer working heel over babyface, obviously, because when you're

493
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 4: a heel, I mean, you know, gloves are off, you

494
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: can do whatever you want and people don't like it.

495
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: You don't care because you want them to boo you anyway,

496
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I feel like working babyface.

497
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: You're just trying to approval from the crowd, and sometimes

498
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 4: a babyface can do something and they get crickets and

499
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 4: then it's like, oh, you know what I mean. But like,

500
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: as a heel, you can pull off more because you don't.

501
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: You don't have to be perfect. You want people to

502
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 4: hate you anyway. So if you mess up out there

503
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: and they don't know you're messing up, but if something

504
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: goes awry or something, it's like, okay, I'm a heel.

505
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: I want you to boom me either way, you know.

506
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: But working with Dreamer, I.

507
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: Became a babyface again. But then you know, that night

508
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 4: when he won the belt and I just gave him

509
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 4: that ball shot, it was right back to people hating

510
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: me again because I don't think people wanted to see

511
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: me with him. I think people in general liked me

512
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: as a heel more than a babyface, even though I

513
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 4: got pops and I got the crowd behind me because

514
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: I was still performing.

515
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: I was more so giving.

516
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: Moves rather than taking them at that point. But I

517
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: still feel like my best work was done as a heel.

518
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like you more as a heel. You just

519
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: it's me too. That scowl, you know, just the look

520
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: when you come through the curtain. You set the tone,

521
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: you know, even though Shane might be laughing at people

522
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: and jest, you know, your face was always still just

523
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 3: stern RBF all the way it was.

524
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: I could still do that face if I want to nowadays.

525
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was a fun. Oh, it

526
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: was such a fun character to play because, you know,

527
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 1: to be honest, one hundred percent, completely honest. Coming up

528
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: in this business again, I didn't have a mentor that

529
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: was a female. I didn't have anybody to help me.

530
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: I never thought I was as pretty as other girls,

531
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: built as well as other girls, you know, comparing myself

532
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: to others.

533
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: I always I had low self esteem.

534
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: So when I went out of that uh, when I

535
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: walked out the curtain and I became the character of Francine,

536
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: it was like I told myself, you have to think

537
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: that you are the greatest person that ever lived. That's

538
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: the mindset that I was in, and like, my shit

539
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: doesn't stink, no one can touch me. I'm better than

540
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: every single female and male that exists.

541
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: And that was the kind of I guess that was

542
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: what I.

543
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: Based my character on because in reality, I didn't feel

544
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: that way. So it was a total reach for me

545
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: to play that kind of role.

546
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: That if that makes sense look perfect sense.

547
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: And you know, I.

548
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: Would try my best to fit the bill, and eventually

549
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 4: I became very comfortable in it. But I still didn't

550
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: think that, you know, I was the greatest thing out there.

551
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: I you know, when I would come back, I would

552
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: be like, was it okay? Like I would run the poll,

553
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: was that okay? Did I do okay?

554
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, not thinking, you know, I was the

555
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: best thing out there. But while I'm in front of you, yeah,

556
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: no one could touch me. That was my attitude that

557
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: I had. So it goes.

558
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: To show you, like I, that's such a stretch from

559
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: the person that I was. And I was not that

560
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 4: mean spirited, hurt people in the back.

561
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to help people. If I saw somebody bleeding,

562
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: I would run and get you know, band aids or

563
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: tape or ice or whatever.

564
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: Like I care about people. She didn't care about anybody

565
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: but herself, right, So it was a fun role to

566
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: play because it was so far from the person that

567
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: I was.

568
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: Okay, great, that's a great answer. I went a little

569
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: I went ahead while you were talking, and I searched

570
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 3: something else. I searched. Did Francine ever win a belt

571
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: in ECW, just to see if I could throw them

572
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: off a little bit. They said, no, Francine never won

573
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: a championship belt in ECW. Okay, and they just said

574
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: the same thing as they did before. She was best

575
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: known as being a valet manager, often referred to as

576
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: Queen of extreme blah blah blah blah blah. So I

577
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: just said in wrestling, and it said in professional wrestling overall,

578
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 3: not just ECW, Francine has never and it went into

579
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: black bold held a championship belt in any major promotion. Yeah,

580
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: her career was primary, primarily focused on being a valet manager,

581
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 3: particularly during her time in ECW, And while she occasionally

582
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: got involved in matches, often mixed tags or cat fights,

583
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: she was never pushed as an inter ring competitor. Okay,

584
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: then I just wrote why right, So it said, great,

585
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: great question. Why didn't Francine win a bell in EASi.

586
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: Here's a breakdown of the key reasons. She was a

587
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: manager of Vala, not a wrestler. Francine's primary role with

588
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: that's a vale. It just regurgs to states the same

589
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: stuff over and over. ECW didn't have a women's division,

590
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: unlike WWE or WCW. ECW never had a dedicated women's championship.

591
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: There wasn't a bell for women to compete for, so

592
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 3: even if Francine had wrestled more, there was no title

593
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: available to win. Yes, her value was in her persona.

594
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: Francine was incredibly valuable to ECW as a character and

595
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: heat magnet. She was involved in dramatic turns, betrayals, and

596
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 3: intense rivalries. Her impact came from her micwork, storylines, and

597
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: physicality in moments like catfights or getting involved in matches,

598
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 3: not from actual championship wins. And finally, number four, that's

599
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: how ECW booked women. In ECW, women like Francine do,

600
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: Marie Beulah and others were rarely booked to win matches.

601
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: They were more involved in supporting or escalating the men's feuds.

602
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 4: Very good, that's a great analogy, like a book report team.

603
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: But I just I feel like I just did a

604
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: book report on you.

605
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.

606
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, when I started my training, I

607
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: went there thinking I was going to be a women's wrestler,

608
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 4: because when I watched Eastern Championship Wrestling in the beginning,

609
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 4: there was usually like a women like one woman's match

610
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: on there, and it was a short one, not even

611
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: five minutes long.

612
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: It was boom, boom boom. They were gone out of here.

613
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: And then I saw the managers. I was like, I

614
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 4: can do which I don't know why I thought I

615
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: could do this, but I was like, I could do

616
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 4: both of those.

617
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: I could I could work, I can wrestle.

618
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: And I could be a manager and blah blah blah.

619
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 4: So when I went there, I was going to train

620
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: to be I thought a wrestler, and I, you know,

621
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: in front of Todd, I wrestled and I threw up

622
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 4: and in the bathroom after I was done wrestling, and

623
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 4: I did all this stuff. And then I meet Paul

624
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: and he shot that right down. He's like, no, you're

625
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: not going to be a wrestler.

626
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: And I was like what. He's like no, He's like,

627
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: there's no money in women's wrestling right now. He goes,

628
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: you're going to make all of your money and your

629
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: career as a manager. He goes, trust me, and he

630
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: was right because he didn't push the girls as female wrestlers.

631
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: Although we did wrestle on occasion, like you know, a

632
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: couple of singles matches. We had a bunch of tag matches.

633
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 4: The only girl that he really would push as a

634
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: wrestler from time to time was Jazz, and she would

635
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 4: end up, you know, working with the guys more so, right,

636
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 4: But she was she was.

637
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: A manager too. She was more known as a manager

638
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: than a wrestler in ECW. We all were.

639
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: But that's the way Paul saw it. And again, this

640
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 4: was you know, the nineties. It's not what it is now.

641
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: It's not the type of fanfare that the women get

642
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: these days. That wasn't around back then. You know, it

643
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: was out there, but they just weren't being pushed the

644
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: way they they are being pushed today.

645
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Right, So that's why I went in that direction, and

646
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did. I feel like, I think I've

647
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: had a very successful career in the role that I chose,

648
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: and you know.

649
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: Still getting booked to do things in the year twenty

650
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 4: twenty five at fifty three years old.

651
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: That's it's not bad.

652
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 4: If I had a bad career, I don't think people

653
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: would be booking me anymore.

654
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: You know.

655
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, people still want to see Sane and I

656
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: and ECW as a whole. And I am very, very

657
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 4: blessed that I've had the career that I've had, and

658
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Speaker 4: I'm still able to work and do certain things.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm proud of what we did.

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Speaker 4: Again, I think ECW was groundbreaking and I think it

661
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Speaker 4: was something special and no one can take that away

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Speaker 4: from me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm proud to be an ECW original.

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Speaker 3: I really am should be. We did something very special.

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Speaker 3: But before we wrap that up, I have to just

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Speaker 3: tell you I added one more question. This I just

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Speaker 3: wrote in cat fights, question mark no boy, so they

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Speaker 3: said yes. In the context of pro wrestling, especially in

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Speaker 3: the nineties and early two thousands, a cat fight referred

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Speaker 3: to a stage physical altercation between female performers, often managers

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Speaker 3: or valets, meant more for entertainment and shock value than

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Speaker 3: actually for wrestling competition, and ECW specifically, the term cat

673
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Speaker 3: fight was used frequently, especially by Joey Styles, who would

674
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Speaker 3: yell cat fight, cat fight when ever two women started fighting.

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Speaker 3: These fights were typically short, chaotic brawls, involving hair polling, slaps,

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Speaker 3: rolling around, and sometimes suggestive physicality.

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Speaker 1: Suggested.

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Speaker 3: They were often part of storyline rivalries between vallets like

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Speaker 3: Francine Beulah, Jazzmin Saint Clair, etc. Example, one of the

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Speaker 3: most famous ECW catfights was Francine versus Beulah, two of

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Speaker 3: ECW's top valleys who had an ongoing rivalry during the

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Speaker 3: mid nineties. Their clashes were extremely popular with the ECW audience,

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Speaker 3: often ending in chaos. Today, the term cat fight is

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Speaker 3: considered outdated and sexist, as it trivializes women's roles and

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Speaker 3: focuses on the spectacle over skill. Modern wrestling promotions, especially

686
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Speaker 3: WWEAW and others, now true women as serious athletes and

687
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Speaker 3: give them more meaningful in ring opportunities with real titles,

688
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Speaker 3: main events, and longer matches. But in ECW's heyday, cat

689
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Speaker 3: fights were staple of the over the top, adult oriented entertainment.

690
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: The brand was all for, and Francy was often at

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Speaker 3: the center of them. All right, good for you.

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Speaker 1: I am the leader in the cat fight category. I suppose. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think a cat fight is degrading in any way.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I welcome the women of today to do them.

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Speaker 4: I wish there was more managers out there. I wish

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Speaker 4: there were more cat fights to be had. I think

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Speaker 4: it adds an extra element to the men's matches. I

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Speaker 4: don't think it takes away from anything. I just think

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Speaker 4: it's fun. I love when people are ringside and you

701
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Speaker 4: never know what they're going to do, and there's a

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Speaker 4: lack of that in today's day and age. I don't

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Speaker 4: think it diminishes the role of a woman. I don't

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Speaker 4: think it degrades women at all.

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Speaker 1: If you look at fights that are had with.

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Speaker 4: Drunken women in bars, the first thing they do is

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Speaker 4: they launch at each other, go for the hair, and

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Speaker 4: take each.

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Speaker 1: Other down and start rolling around. It's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what this chat GPT is talking about,

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Speaker 1: but I I feel like it was a fun, integral

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Speaker 1: part of the matches back then, and I think they

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Speaker 1: should bring it back.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Phonsie was involved in some, Todd Gordon was

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Speaker 3: involved in some.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just the male cat fights. There are definitely

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Speaker 1: male cat fights out there, and they added a different

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Speaker 1: element or a different layer to the match and the storyline.

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Speaker 1: I loved them, and I know the fans loved them.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought it was good.

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Speaker 4: But to get off me a minute, I watched that

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Speaker 4: movie Queen of the Ring.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that?

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Speaker 3: I have not. I do want to see it. I

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Speaker 3: haven't watched it yet.

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Speaker 4: Okay, my only critique. This is something that I have

728
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Speaker 4: I'm not seen anywhere, and it bothers me to death.

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Speaker 1: Of course, they're going to use the same actors and

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Speaker 1: actresses throughout the movie, but it's like she has a

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Speaker 1: son in the movie and he's a baby, and then

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Speaker 1: like later on, he's in his twenties, but they're still

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Speaker 1: all the same age, like nobody aged in the picture.

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Speaker 1: That's what irked me. I'm like, why isn't she twenty

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Speaker 1: years older? Like what is happening? She looked exactly the

736
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: same as when the son was a baby. That's what

737
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Speaker 1: irked me. But the story was good. I enjoyed the movie.

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Speaker 3: It was Mildred Burke. Is that who is?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, it was Mildred Burke and May Young and

740
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: that era and how they were carny and that carnivals

741
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Speaker 1: and escalated into the NWA And it was a good watch.

742
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Speaker 1: And I didn't enjoy it. But I just didn't like

743
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Speaker 1: how like time lapsed and everybody was still just the

744
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Speaker 1: same age except for the baby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ridiculous.

746
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just like, eh, but I'll tell you why.

747
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: I saw a video of the lead being trained by

748
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Speaker 4: Charlotte Flair, and the one role of the woman June

749
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Speaker 4: that was played by Camille.

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Speaker 1: It was supposed to be Charlotte, and Vince pulled her,

751
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Speaker 1: is what I read.

752
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, And the reason that I read is because

753
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Speaker 4: it was too small of a production.

754
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Speaker 3: Well, we heard about stories like that in the past,

755
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: Rocky and hul Cogan. So that sucks.

756
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Speaker 4: I don't know, but they showed. I saw like backstage

757
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: stuff of Charlotte training her and the good stuff. I

758
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: would have loved to see Charlotte in that role. But

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Speaker 4: Camille did great. I thought everybody did great. The acting

760
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 4: was good, story was good.

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Speaker 1: Just the laps bothered me. But otherwise, give it a look.

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00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: Give it a look.

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Speaker 3: I definitely will. I will check that out.

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00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: It was cute. You have anything going on?

765
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: No? Ready for summer of ees up here?

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Speaker 1: Right? Me too?

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00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 4: Well, before we get into that, I want to plug

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Speaker 4: one appearance that I'm doing if I, if I may,

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Speaker 4: my first time going to this event. It is river

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Speaker 4: City Wrestling con Shane and I will be there and

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00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 4: there it is thank you, June seventh and eighth. This

772
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 4: threw me off. It's a Saturday and a Sunday. It's

773
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Speaker 4: usually a Friday and a Saturday.

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Speaker 1: So when we were booking the tickets, I had the

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00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: wrong dates for my flight to fix everything. But yeah,

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00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: June seventh and eighth World Golf Village in Saint Augustine, Florida.

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Speaker 1: I'm told this is a huge convention. Yeah, so I'm

778
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: very excited to be there. So we'll be there for

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00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: both days with more entertainment. Banby She's a doll. I

780
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: love her, and that's my next appearance. And what is

781
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: this bullshit with WrestleMania next year? You have to say

782
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: it happening?

783
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: So upset because we were already booked for New Orleans

784
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: and now the word is it might.

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Speaker 1: Be back in Vegas. Who wants to do that?

786
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Speaker 3: Not me.

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00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back.

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00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: And we were just there. Yeah, that's uh, that was

789
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: so weird, all that stuff that happened last week.

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Speaker 1: I'm so upset.

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00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 4: We need to I wanted to stay in the States,

792
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 4: and I wanted to be anywhere but Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Anywhere but Vegas. You could put me in a back

794
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: load at Newark, New Jersey. I don't care, said, I

795
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: don't want to go to Vegas. Like we were just there.

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00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: Don't do it again. Please, I'm begging you. WWA, don't

797
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 1: go to Saudi Arabia, don't go to London, and don't

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00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: go to Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Well, you got your choice of the three. I think

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Speaker 3: I'd go for Vegas.

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00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, we were just in Vegas.

802
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 3: But are you going to London? Are you going to Saudi?

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00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's going to London or Saudi Arabia.

804
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: Stay in the States and pick Lake, Indianapolis or something,

805
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: or Minnesota wasn't Minnesota was supposed to get WrestleMania forty.

806
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 4: Let's go there so we could do wrestle Con.

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00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: Come to Washington, how about it.

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00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: I don't care.

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00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: Anywhere Washington would be good. They got a lot of

810
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: space for the car.

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Speaker 4: Anywhere, stadium anywhere, but outside of the country and anywhere

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00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 4: but Las Vegas.

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00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: Please, I'm began.

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00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 4: I know the higher ups listen to my show, thought

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00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: about it. But anyway, river City Wrestling Con, that's my

816
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 4: next appearance. Let's talk about real quickly YouTube trying something

817
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 4: different on the horizon. The Chadster had an idea and

818
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 4: I said, let's do it. We forgot to put the

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Speaker 4: time on the so we have to make another one,

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Speaker 4: but I'll add it. What time are we doing nine o'clock?

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Speaker 3: I think nine o'clock.

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00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: Nine o'clock people drive time with me and Chad. We'll

823
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: talk about all things wrestling and Disney and the world

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00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: and whatever you guys want to talk about. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do We haven't done it live in a really

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00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: long time. No, So we're going live Wednesday, June eleven.

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Speaker 1: Am I even going to be home that day? I hope? So?

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Speaker 1: I hope.

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Speaker 3: So if I'll be looking at the camera like Garth

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Speaker 3: and Wayne's World, oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm going to be home, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna yeah, I'm home. Try it out, see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Join us. We will be accepting super chats too if

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Speaker 1: you feel frisky that day, but uh, otherwise, just join

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00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: us for some good old chat. Bring your coffee or

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Speaker 1: your booze. It's five o'clock somewhere.

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Speaker 4: And join us on YouTube at ECW diva francine exclamation point.

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Speaker 1: That's right there, you go.

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00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: Let's do it. It's gonna be a ball.

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Speaker 1: All right. We'll try it, see how it works. If

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Speaker 1: you're not subscribed, please go subscribe because our numbers are

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Speaker 3: That's right, all right?

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Speaker 1: I hope you're staying safe.

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