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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast.

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Speaker 1: Joe Madden and Tom Verducci here and Joe, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: call this week why not a super Bowl edition of

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe primarily a baseball podcast, But we

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Speaker 1: have no boundaries here. How does that sound to you?

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Speaker 2: I'm always about zero boundaries, brother.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Hey. You know obviously the NFL and the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Big talk this week, Chiefs trying for a three peat. Here.

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Speaker 1: My question for you, Joe, is a lot of talking

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Speaker 1: baseball about the Los Angeles Dodgers. Can the Dodgers be

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Speaker 1: the next Kansas City Chiefs playing for three consecutive championships?

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Speaker 1: I want to dive into that. But off the top

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Speaker 1: of your head, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, it comes down to do you have Mahomes on

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Speaker 3: Somehow? That's really what it is.

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Speaker 2: And I guess I don't know if you want to

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Speaker 2: say show ay equals a Mahomes. But the difference, for me,

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Speaker 2: the biggest difference is that in football that one position dictates, dominates,

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Speaker 2: explains whether you're gonna be good or bad, or can

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Speaker 2: be good or bad. Or gonna be bad, because it's

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Speaker 2: that's incredible, how that sport.

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Speaker 3: Is driven by one position.

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Speaker 2: It just is, I thought, and back in the day

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Speaker 2: much as anything. And then baseball, I've always thought that

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Speaker 2: starting pitching drives the engine. But that doesn't happen anymore.

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Speaker 2: So if you could tell me that show Hey equals

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Speaker 2: one Mahomes or they're you know, they're they're equal partners,

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Speaker 2: there's a chance. But based on that alone, as long

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Speaker 2: as this kid stays well, they're going to be back

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Speaker 2: there again next year. What he does and how he

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Speaker 2: does it is truly remarkable. You know, you look at

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Speaker 2: him and how he moves, it's nothing like really out

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Speaker 2: of the ordinary. It's just that while his ability, even

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Speaker 2: though the different arm angles he's able to throw from,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes, and if

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Speaker 2: he does, he comes back from them. He seems to

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Speaker 2: be a ferocious He looks like the baby face ferocious

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Speaker 2: baby face kind of a dude, and he reads great.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, he is great, but Andy Reid's

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Speaker 2: same thing. So it's such a one positional driven sport.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Dodgers can do what the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some other reasons, but I totally agree with you,

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Speaker 1: and I cannot make the argument as much as I

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Speaker 1: love showey Otani that he is the Patrick Mahomes of baseball.

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Speaker 1: You just as you well said it. There's no other

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Speaker 1: dominate a game in the outcome of a game like

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Speaker 1: a quarterback can. And you're right, Andy Reid has a

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Speaker 1: great advantage over every other coach because if you notice,

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Speaker 1: you know he can call plays knowing he's got entire

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Speaker 1: clock situation, he can put the ball in the quarterback's

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Speaker 1: hands to run make decisions. That frees up the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: to have a wide array of play calling. You see

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Speaker 1: that time and time again. They've run one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventeen plays in this postseason and turned the ball over once,

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Speaker 1: none by Mahomes interception. Watching him play, he freelances to

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Speaker 1: an incredible degree. Right, we all don't know all about

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Speaker 1: the different arm angles. He's like el Dukeay on the

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Speaker 1: I agree the Chiefs would shock me if they're back again.

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Speaker 1: It's always hard to bet against Patrick Mahomes. You just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I don't know how this play calling

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Speaker 2: He's able to in advance, and again this is just

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Speaker 2: Him and Reid would probably discuss it at afterwards and

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Speaker 2: So I think, with having said all that, the trust

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's because of

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Speaker 1: No, you're one hundred percent right, Joe, And I almost

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Speaker 1: because I do think the great analogy to the Kansas

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Speaker 1: one run games, right. But I think you hit on something, Joe,

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Speaker 2: Well, as you began setting that all up, I just

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Speaker 2: I mean Rivera, out of all the relievers that I've

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Speaker 3: And I don't remember me.

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Speaker 2: You probably know how many times he might have gone

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Speaker 3: And so I do. I mean, I love the core War.

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Speaker 2: I love all that stuff with the Yankees, but I

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Speaker 2: He was like the He's the lynchpin to the their success.

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Speaker 2: I think, as just as though Mahomes was or is

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. I want to give you some stats, Joe,

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Speaker 2: The sixteen World Series comes down three games to two,

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Speaker 2: It's weird in baseball. You don't hear anything. We don't

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Speaker 2: It becomes white noise, it really does. So as loud

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Speaker 1: And you've seen it, Joe as a manager, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the other thing, Joe. You know, we talked

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Speaker 1: don't see that in baseball, the better team is always

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Speaker 3: So you would think that there's like this.

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Speaker 1: of Joe. Of course, Joe. One of the reasons the

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean, Well, it means if I'm

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Speaker 1: they're not. And we don't see teams other than the

434
00:20:49,838 --> 00:20:53,038
Speaker 1: Dodgers really finishing off their teams. Look at the Yankees,

435
00:20:53,078 --> 00:20:55,598
Speaker 1: they really don't have a third baseman. They're very comfortable

436
00:20:55,638 --> 00:20:57,838
Speaker 1: with it. They'll figure that out as the season goes by.

437
00:20:58,398 --> 00:21:00,998
Speaker 2: Yeah, our whole thing with the Rays was I mean,

438
00:21:01,078 --> 00:21:04,078
Speaker 2: for me at that time was ninety plus. If you

439
00:21:04,118 --> 00:21:06,718
Speaker 2: had a ninety one season, at least, it always felt

440
00:21:06,758 --> 00:21:08,958
Speaker 2: good and you thought you had a shot at the playoffs.

441
00:21:09,398 --> 00:21:10,638
Speaker 3: But it got to the.

442
00:21:10,558 --> 00:21:12,198
Speaker 2: Point where you, like you said, you were with the

443
00:21:12,318 --> 00:21:14,598
Speaker 2: Yankees and the Red Sox in that particular group. And

444
00:21:14,638 --> 00:21:17,158
Speaker 2: even though when you're with the Cubbies first year there

445
00:21:17,438 --> 00:21:19,718
Speaker 2: we had like ninety seven, we had the second wild

446
00:21:19,798 --> 00:21:23,878
Speaker 2: card behind Pittsburgh. That year, it was just a different attitude,

447
00:21:23,718 --> 00:21:27,478
Speaker 2: like you're saying, I think there's more ability now obviously

448
00:21:27,558 --> 00:21:29,478
Speaker 2: to make adjustments during the course of the year and

449
00:21:29,518 --> 00:21:32,278
Speaker 2: still get you to the dance based on that extra

450
00:21:33,038 --> 00:21:35,558
Speaker 2: slot there and that that does. It's definitely going to

451
00:21:35,598 --> 00:21:39,518
Speaker 2: provide a different mindset going into the season, and like

452
00:21:39,558 --> 00:21:41,118
Speaker 2: you're almost like a wait and see kind of an

453
00:21:41,118 --> 00:21:44,718
Speaker 2: approach as opposed to like going all in or attempting

454
00:21:44,718 --> 00:21:46,158
Speaker 2: to do at the beginning of the year. So it

455
00:21:46,198 --> 00:21:47,758
Speaker 2: really comes down to the default. What am I trying

456
00:21:47,758 --> 00:21:49,638
Speaker 2: to do here? So it just sounds to me like

457
00:21:49,678 --> 00:21:53,598
Speaker 2: you explain it really well. The overarching of philosophy is

458
00:21:53,638 --> 00:21:56,798
Speaker 2: to just, you know, get out there and try to

459
00:21:56,838 --> 00:21:59,838
Speaker 2: get in contention and see where we're at contention wise.

460
00:21:59,878 --> 00:22:02,798
Speaker 2: I don't know, August, is that the benchmark September Maybe

461
00:22:02,838 --> 00:22:04,398
Speaker 2: like a couple of years ago at the Raves they

462
00:22:04,438 --> 00:22:06,398
Speaker 2: were like out of it until they made all those

463
00:22:06,438 --> 00:22:09,518
Speaker 2: moves and eventually get to the dance and win it.

464
00:22:09,558 --> 00:22:12,198
Speaker 2: I mean it is it's a different mindset completely, because

465
00:22:12,238 --> 00:22:15,278
Speaker 2: I know we're going into camp. You definitely wanted to

466
00:22:15,278 --> 00:22:19,318
Speaker 2: believe you had ninety plus in you. The help mostly

467
00:22:19,398 --> 00:22:21,238
Speaker 2: was going to be coming from your minor league system,

468
00:22:21,438 --> 00:22:23,878
Speaker 2: and you're always looking like if you held back a

469
00:22:23,958 --> 00:22:25,638
Speaker 2: Gemmer too in your minor leagues, that you're going to

470
00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:29,158
Speaker 2: bring up. Although Longo came up sooner, Frankie Rodriguez came

471
00:22:29,238 --> 00:22:32,318
Speaker 2: up later, Chris Brian came up sooner, Hobby came up

472
00:22:32,358 --> 00:22:34,518
Speaker 2: a little bit later, Hove Bayaz. But you have to

473
00:22:34,518 --> 00:22:37,238
Speaker 2: have those jewels within the system back then, whereas now

474
00:22:37,278 --> 00:22:40,598
Speaker 2: you're talking about actually making acquisitions when it comes down

475
00:22:40,598 --> 00:22:43,158
Speaker 2: to the trade to the deadline in order to.

476
00:22:43,078 --> 00:22:44,118
Speaker 3: Get yourself in position.

477
00:22:44,198 --> 00:22:46,878
Speaker 2: So all I know is that back then, which is

478
00:22:46,918 --> 00:22:49,718
Speaker 2: not that far back then, you always wanted to build

479
00:22:49,798 --> 00:22:53,478
Speaker 2: ninety plus and then really pay attention to your minor

480
00:22:53,558 --> 00:22:56,238
Speaker 2: league system because you really felt more than likely because

481
00:22:56,278 --> 00:22:59,678
Speaker 2: the Rays, you weren't going to acquire somebody of substance

482
00:22:59,878 --> 00:23:01,758
Speaker 2: that's gonna be worth a lot of money that's going

483
00:23:01,798 --> 00:23:03,718
Speaker 2: to come here and really helps. Chad Bradford was one

484
00:23:03,758 --> 00:23:06,318
Speaker 2: of the best acquisitions we had in two thousand and eight.

485
00:23:06,358 --> 00:23:08,918
Speaker 2: Matchad really helped us get to the World Series that year.

486
00:23:08,958 --> 00:23:11,198
Speaker 2: But for the most part it had to come from within.

487
00:23:11,678 --> 00:23:11,918
Speaker 3: Yeah.

488
00:23:11,958 --> 00:23:14,238
Speaker 1: So to me, Joe, the bottom line is the NFL

489
00:23:14,318 --> 00:23:17,598
Speaker 1: has the system where the better teams generally win, and

490
00:23:17,638 --> 00:23:20,518
Speaker 1: the playoff format, because home field means a lot is

491
00:23:20,558 --> 00:23:23,798
Speaker 1: set up to get the better teams through baseball, is

492
00:23:23,838 --> 00:23:27,798
Speaker 1: the opposite. There is less reward for having the best

493
00:23:27,798 --> 00:23:31,078
Speaker 1: team in baseball over six months, and I think that

494
00:23:31,118 --> 00:23:33,398
Speaker 1: has really changed the dynamic of the game. I guess

495
00:23:33,438 --> 00:23:35,798
Speaker 1: it's a question for a lot of people whether you

496
00:23:35,838 --> 00:23:38,798
Speaker 1: know you prefer one system or the other. If you

497
00:23:38,958 --> 00:23:41,798
Speaker 1: like variety, baseball is your game. Think about this, Joe.

498
00:23:41,878 --> 00:23:45,718
Speaker 1: In the past twelve years, eleven of the thirty two

499
00:23:45,838 --> 00:23:48,638
Speaker 1: NFL teams have played for the Super Bowl. That's only

500
00:23:48,718 --> 00:23:51,318
Speaker 1: thirty four percent, So about the third of the NFL

501
00:23:51,398 --> 00:23:54,278
Speaker 1: teams over the last twelve years have played in the

502
00:23:54,278 --> 00:23:58,838
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Over the same period, sixteen of the thirty

503
00:23:59,038 --> 00:24:01,518
Speaker 1: MLB teams have played in the World Series. That's over

504
00:24:01,678 --> 00:24:06,118
Speaker 1: fifty percent. So again to me, bottom line that with

505
00:24:06,198 --> 00:24:09,078
Speaker 1: the road for the Dodgers. Listen, nobody's repeated since those

506
00:24:09,158 --> 00:24:11,758
Speaker 1: Yankees and ninety eight to two thousand. Just to get

507
00:24:11,758 --> 00:24:14,118
Speaker 1: a second one would be huge, but they have a

508
00:24:14,198 --> 00:24:16,518
Speaker 1: long way to go to be the next Kansas City Chiefs.

509
00:24:16,918 --> 00:24:17,158
Speaker 3: Yeah.

510
00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:20,398
Speaker 2: Again, just getting back to your position positionality, I mean

511
00:24:20,438 --> 00:24:24,598
Speaker 2: of the NFL those guys you got to have one.

512
00:24:24,758 --> 00:24:26,318
Speaker 2: You got to have one, and if you have one,

513
00:24:26,398 --> 00:24:28,318
Speaker 2: be in the quarterback you got a shot, and if

514
00:24:28,358 --> 00:24:30,198
Speaker 2: you don't, you really do not. And then on the

515
00:24:30,198 --> 00:24:32,478
Speaker 2: baseball side of things again, I just think it speaks

516
00:24:32,518 --> 00:24:37,718
Speaker 2: to the system in place that everybody's incorporating the same thoughts, process, whatever.

517
00:24:38,158 --> 00:24:40,838
Speaker 2: There's no individuality within groups anymore. It's just a group

518
00:24:40,918 --> 00:24:43,158
Speaker 2: think and because of that, I think that's what you're

519
00:24:43,158 --> 00:24:46,238
Speaker 2: seeing right there where it works. So I guess to

520
00:24:46,998 --> 00:24:49,038
Speaker 2: some extent it works in a way that if you

521
00:24:49,158 --> 00:24:50,878
Speaker 2: just tank close, we can make an adjustment in a

522
00:24:50,958 --> 00:24:53,318
Speaker 2: latter part of the season. And then how does that

523
00:24:53,358 --> 00:24:55,478
Speaker 2: affect spending money, et cetera. And how does Pee Alonso

524
00:24:55,918 --> 00:24:58,038
Speaker 2: be sitting on the sidelines right now? There's a lot

525
00:24:58,038 --> 00:24:59,998
Speaker 2: of that, but I think the overaarching thing for me

526
00:25:00,078 --> 00:25:03,358
Speaker 2: is always with baseball. Right now, there's a sameness about

527
00:25:03,358 --> 00:25:05,838
Speaker 2: it with the NF bell outside of the quarterback position,

528
00:25:05,878 --> 00:25:08,238
Speaker 2: you still see a lot of different looks and attitudes

529
00:25:08,238 --> 00:25:10,158
Speaker 2: among the coaching and the way they play the game.

530
00:25:10,798 --> 00:25:13,518
Speaker 1: On to another topic, because if Joe I do want

531
00:25:13,558 --> 00:25:16,278
Speaker 1: to get to something very I think it's very interesting

532
00:25:16,318 --> 00:25:18,758
Speaker 1: and I'm really fascinated gear take on something of former

533
00:25:19,198 --> 00:25:22,798
Speaker 1: NFL MVP said about competition. But you know, a lot

534
00:25:22,878 --> 00:25:25,838
Speaker 1: of people, as they always do or every week, are

535
00:25:25,878 --> 00:25:28,878
Speaker 1: betting on the game coming up this Sunday. And of

536
00:25:28,918 --> 00:25:32,038
Speaker 1: course we had one of the better umpires, one of

537
00:25:32,038 --> 00:25:35,078
Speaker 1: the best umpires in baseball this week who was terminated

538
00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:39,838
Speaker 1: by MLB because he was involved in violations of baseball's

539
00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:42,918
Speaker 1: gambling rules, Pat Hoberg. If you remember, Pat Guy got

540
00:25:42,918 --> 00:25:44,758
Speaker 1: to the major leagues as an umpire at the age

541
00:25:44,758 --> 00:25:46,998
Speaker 1: of twenty seven. That's how good he was. I mean,

542
00:25:47,358 --> 00:25:50,518
Speaker 1: that's unheard of full time umpire at thirty, and in

543
00:25:50,518 --> 00:25:53,518
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two World Series he had what's been

544
00:25:53,638 --> 00:25:57,078
Speaker 1: the only documented perfect game called by an umpire, all

545
00:25:57,118 --> 00:25:59,118
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty nine balls and strikes in that

546
00:25:59,158 --> 00:26:01,158
Speaker 1: game in a World Series game work in the plate

547
00:26:01,198 --> 00:26:03,638
Speaker 1: at such a young age, a perfect game, that's how

548
00:26:03,678 --> 00:26:07,718
Speaker 1: good he was. Well, he wound up, according to investigation

549
00:26:07,838 --> 00:26:11,918
Speaker 1: by MLB, getting caught up where he met a friend

550
00:26:11,958 --> 00:26:14,718
Speaker 1: who was a professional poker player who bet on baseball

551
00:26:14,718 --> 00:26:18,598
Speaker 1: a lot. They actually shared the same sports betting account,

552
00:26:18,918 --> 00:26:22,438
Speaker 1: and Pat Hoberg was not according to the findings, and

553
00:26:22,478 --> 00:26:25,678
Speaker 1: his own admission not betting on baseball, but his friend was.

554
00:26:26,638 --> 00:26:31,678
Speaker 1: And when Baseball began an investigation, Pat and his friend

555
00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:35,398
Speaker 1: had been communicating and keeping logs of their bets through

556
00:26:35,398 --> 00:26:39,078
Speaker 1: the telegram app, and they deleted all their communications as

557
00:26:39,078 --> 00:26:45,238
Speaker 1: Baseball launched their investigation. So those two major violations, One

558
00:26:45,758 --> 00:26:48,678
Speaker 1: being associated with a guy who's a professional poker player

559
00:26:48,718 --> 00:26:51,798
Speaker 1: who's betting on baseball regularly and you're sharing the same account,

560
00:26:51,878 --> 00:26:56,358
Speaker 1: and then two deleting your telegram messages to one another

561
00:26:56,438 --> 00:27:00,038
Speaker 1: about your betting habits. He's out of baseball now. It's

562
00:27:00,038 --> 00:27:03,598
Speaker 1: a real shame. And I don't get the whole gambling thing.

563
00:27:03,918 --> 00:27:07,518
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm a minority here, Joe. But Pat Hoberg was

564
00:27:07,558 --> 00:27:10,638
Speaker 1: betting more than two grand on you know, football games,

565
00:27:10,678 --> 00:27:14,118
Speaker 1: basketball games, whatever, you know. Over a period he bet

566
00:27:14,158 --> 00:27:18,878
Speaker 1: almost almost seven hundred thousand dollars, and he came out

567
00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:22,798
Speaker 1: on the negative side, of course, at almost seventy thousand dollars,

568
00:27:22,878 --> 00:27:28,238
Speaker 1: unless almost seventy thousand dollars betting on basketball, football, hockey, golf.

569
00:27:28,518 --> 00:27:31,198
Speaker 1: It's just a real shame because obviously I don't think

570
00:27:31,238 --> 00:27:33,478
Speaker 1: he's getting his career back. He had a great career

571
00:27:33,518 --> 00:27:34,998
Speaker 1: ahead of him, and now it's gone.

572
00:27:35,478 --> 00:27:38,158
Speaker 2: I like Pat a lot, and he's as good as

573
00:27:38,198 --> 00:27:41,598
Speaker 2: you just described. I read that and I was absolutely

574
00:27:42,358 --> 00:27:44,438
Speaker 2: I don't want to say devastated, but I was really

575
00:27:44,478 --> 00:27:47,318
Speaker 2: really upset reading that, this other picture of his face.

576
00:27:47,358 --> 00:27:49,598
Speaker 3: I remember the conversations we had.

577
00:27:49,638 --> 00:27:52,478
Speaker 2: See Beyond everything you mentioned about his expertise on the

578
00:27:52,478 --> 00:27:56,398
Speaker 2: field as a umpire, you could talk to this guy

579
00:27:56,558 --> 00:27:59,638
Speaker 2: and I really enjoyed my conversations and you would never

580
00:27:59,718 --> 00:28:01,918
Speaker 2: really get in an argument with him, because, like you said,

581
00:28:01,958 --> 00:28:03,878
Speaker 2: he's so good and then he had such a great

582
00:28:04,078 --> 00:28:08,118
Speaker 2: way about him that he was the perfect umpire. I mean,

583
00:28:08,518 --> 00:28:12,118
Speaker 2: if the whole league ran those guys out there, guys

584
00:28:12,198 --> 00:28:14,758
Speaker 2: like him, there'd be very few arguments and you get

585
00:28:14,758 --> 00:28:17,598
Speaker 2: a really great result. So that's the first part about it.

586
00:28:17,918 --> 00:28:20,678
Speaker 2: And I wish him well because I don't know enough

587
00:28:20,678 --> 00:28:23,758
Speaker 2: about this, but if you're going to permit gambling in

588
00:28:23,758 --> 00:28:26,918
Speaker 2: any way, the ubiquitous nature of gambling right now, stuff

589
00:28:26,958 --> 00:28:27,878
Speaker 2: like this has to happen.

590
00:28:28,238 --> 00:28:29,118
Speaker 3: It has to happen.

591
00:28:29,398 --> 00:28:33,118
Speaker 2: Fay vincent I just just recently passed away specifically spoke

592
00:28:33,158 --> 00:28:36,438
Speaker 2: about how gambling could really if you see, if he's

593
00:28:36,478 --> 00:28:39,358
Speaker 2: gambling there, corruption's going to follow. You know, that's just

594
00:28:39,398 --> 00:28:43,078
Speaker 2: going to be there there. They're synonyms, they're they're bedfellows whatever.

595
00:28:43,478 --> 00:28:46,438
Speaker 2: So that's part of it, and that's not just that's it.

596
00:28:46,638 --> 00:28:51,798
Speaker 2: I really detest all the gambling going on, the obvious gambling,

597
00:28:51,878 --> 00:28:57,318
Speaker 2: the promotion of gambling. Who's promoting gambling? All that stuff

598
00:28:57,358 --> 00:29:00,078
Speaker 2: makes no sense to me. I'm sorry, it doesn't. When

599
00:29:00,078 --> 00:29:03,798
Speaker 2: you become bedfellows in this situation, you got to expect

600
00:29:04,118 --> 00:29:06,758
Speaker 2: like this to happen, and so that again, this is

601
00:29:06,838 --> 00:29:10,798
Speaker 2: just part of the raging fire probably, and this is

602
00:29:10,878 --> 00:29:13,398
Speaker 2: just one little spark that just emerged from that.

603
00:29:13,478 --> 00:29:15,038
Speaker 3: So I feel bad for the guy.

604
00:29:15,118 --> 00:29:19,198
Speaker 2: He is that good and hopefully something maybe down the

605
00:29:19,238 --> 00:29:21,558
Speaker 2: road can be straightened out with him. But the gambling

606
00:29:21,598 --> 00:29:23,998
Speaker 2: component of all this, and the fact that it's so

607
00:29:24,198 --> 00:29:27,078
Speaker 2: easy to do, pick up your device, gamble and you

608
00:29:27,118 --> 00:29:31,038
Speaker 2: see the advertisements on TV, really I find it repulsive.

609
00:29:31,078 --> 00:29:31,358
Speaker 3: I do.

610
00:29:31,558 --> 00:29:33,638
Speaker 2: I don't get it, and I think that's a really

611
00:29:33,718 --> 00:29:36,758
Speaker 2: big wrong that needs to be corrected. But whenever will

612
00:29:36,878 --> 00:29:38,598
Speaker 2: this Genie's never going back into bottle.

613
00:29:39,118 --> 00:29:41,238
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're one hundred percent right, Joe. I mean, it

614
00:29:41,278 --> 00:29:44,238
Speaker 1: is a raging fire, we see. I mean, these things

615
00:29:44,278 --> 00:29:46,798
Speaker 1: are happening a lot now as a college basketball gambling

616
00:29:46,798 --> 00:29:49,798
Speaker 1: scandal going on. You see a lot. You know, every

617
00:29:49,878 --> 00:29:52,398
Speaker 1: sport is touched by this, and of course it's in

618
00:29:52,438 --> 00:29:54,398
Speaker 1: our face all the time, and it's become too easy,

619
00:29:54,878 --> 00:29:56,398
Speaker 1: you know, it's part of what we do now. We

620
00:29:57,158 --> 00:30:00,718
Speaker 1: normalize the abnormal. And to think that betting on games

621
00:30:00,998 --> 00:30:04,998
Speaker 1: is a normal activity for especially for young people, I mean,

622
00:30:05,078 --> 00:30:07,958
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. It's it's a losing It literally is a

623
00:30:07,998 --> 00:30:11,998
Speaker 1: losing proposition, and yet it's thrown in our faces all

624
00:30:12,038 --> 00:30:13,878
Speaker 1: the time. You can't get away from it. It actually takes

625
00:30:13,878 --> 00:30:17,398
Speaker 1: away my enjoyment of sports. And I don't bet, but

626
00:30:17,438 --> 00:30:19,358
Speaker 1: the fact that it's in your face all the time

627
00:30:19,838 --> 00:30:23,758
Speaker 1: and everything is now individualized, that you know, I see

628
00:30:23,798 --> 00:30:26,678
Speaker 1: and hear more anger in the stands because people now

629
00:30:26,838 --> 00:30:29,918
Speaker 1: have money riding on the outcome of what the players do,

630
00:30:30,198 --> 00:30:33,198
Speaker 1: and they direct their anger and their angers at the players.

631
00:30:34,038 --> 00:30:36,318
Speaker 1: That's that's a fact. It's happening winter ball.

632
00:30:36,318 --> 00:30:38,078
Speaker 2: You're talking about winter ball. That's been that way for years.

633
00:30:38,078 --> 00:30:39,718
Speaker 2: We always thought it was kind of cute and funny,

634
00:30:40,278 --> 00:30:44,998
Speaker 2: but you know, fans in the fanaticals in the Latin

635
00:30:44,998 --> 00:30:47,598
Speaker 2: America countries would bet in the stands, and there'd be

636
00:30:47,598 --> 00:30:49,998
Speaker 2: a lot of fights that would break out during the

637
00:30:49,998 --> 00:30:52,198
Speaker 2: course of games based on all this stuff was. It

638
00:30:52,238 --> 00:30:54,638
Speaker 2: was kind of quirky and cool down there because you

639
00:30:54,718 --> 00:30:57,198
Speaker 2: never really felt it here, and you just thought it

640
00:30:57,238 --> 00:30:59,758
Speaker 2: was part of the landscape there. And I just added

641
00:30:59,798 --> 00:31:01,838
Speaker 2: to the excitement long as nobody really got hurt, although

642
00:31:01,838 --> 00:31:04,678
Speaker 2: people did get hurt. Just a downgrading of deving behavior.

643
00:31:04,718 --> 00:31:05,878
Speaker 2: I mean, all of a sudden, what was the Devin

644
00:31:05,918 --> 00:31:09,838
Speaker 2: behavior before is now accept it normally, and we keep

645
00:31:09,838 --> 00:31:13,278
Speaker 2: going in that direction, and I just don't quite get it.

646
00:31:13,998 --> 00:31:16,878
Speaker 2: Grown up snow, you know the term grown up? Who

647
00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:19,718
Speaker 2: are the grown ups? Everybody's turning into adolescence. We just

648
00:31:19,958 --> 00:31:21,838
Speaker 2: somebody's got to put their foot downe And it's all

649
00:31:21,878 --> 00:31:25,118
Speaker 2: for the sake of money. And I understand that, but

650
00:31:25,158 --> 00:31:28,358
Speaker 2: I don't think that money just at all costs, like

651
00:31:28,398 --> 00:31:31,318
Speaker 2: at all costs of you know, giving ourselves up and

652
00:31:31,358 --> 00:31:33,078
Speaker 2: our structure up is worth it.

653
00:31:33,078 --> 00:31:33,918
Speaker 3: It's not worth it.

654
00:31:34,038 --> 00:31:36,078
Speaker 2: So it bothers me, man, you can tell by the

655
00:31:36,078 --> 00:31:38,438
Speaker 2: way I'm talking about it bothers me. I mean I

656
00:31:38,478 --> 00:31:40,238
Speaker 2: grew up in a small town where you know, you

657
00:31:40,278 --> 00:31:43,158
Speaker 2: have the number of runners and all this other stuff,

658
00:31:43,438 --> 00:31:44,998
Speaker 2: and it was something the other was betting going on

659
00:31:45,078 --> 00:31:45,958
Speaker 2: in the back room.

660
00:31:45,758 --> 00:31:47,398
Speaker 3: At bell Hops bar.

661
00:31:48,358 --> 00:31:49,878
Speaker 2: You know, the dudes will be hanging out back there,

662
00:31:49,878 --> 00:31:52,358
Speaker 2: they'd be betting on things, and I just playfully asked

663
00:31:52,358 --> 00:31:53,958
Speaker 2: what you got this week? That kind of stuff. But

664
00:31:53,998 --> 00:31:56,838
Speaker 2: I never bet, But I mean I it was almost

665
00:31:56,878 --> 00:31:59,878
Speaker 2: like that was almost like, okay, the way those guys

666
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,718
Speaker 2: did it back there, because it was just a small

667
00:32:01,758 --> 00:32:05,598
Speaker 2: minority that would do it. It was kind of cool

668
00:32:05,678 --> 00:32:08,198
Speaker 2: to listen to their stories whatever. Okay again because it

669
00:32:08,278 --> 00:32:11,078
Speaker 2: was very small. But now it's just the ubiquitous snake

670
00:32:11,078 --> 00:32:14,478
Speaker 2: tri of it is really no good, and the technology

671
00:32:14,558 --> 00:32:16,878
Speaker 2: promoting it and the ease with which it's done, and

672
00:32:16,918 --> 00:32:19,318
Speaker 2: now you're bringing people down because of it. I just

673
00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:20,158
Speaker 2: don't like it.

674
00:32:20,318 --> 00:32:20,518
Speaker 3: Joe.

675
00:32:20,558 --> 00:32:23,758
Speaker 1: I thought about our book, moving on to our topic,

676
00:32:23,798 --> 00:32:27,838
Speaker 1: and a former MVP in the NFL, in our book,

677
00:32:27,838 --> 00:32:31,958
Speaker 1: the way you very eloquently described your levels of professionalism,

678
00:32:32,078 --> 00:32:34,238
Speaker 1: that level five player, all he want to do is win.

679
00:32:34,318 --> 00:32:36,278
Speaker 1: That's the guy you want as a manager, as a

680
00:32:36,278 --> 00:32:39,318
Speaker 1: coach on your team. And I thought about that because

681
00:32:39,438 --> 00:32:43,358
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, the quarterback, was on ESPN's first Take and

682
00:32:43,398 --> 00:32:45,398
Speaker 1: he was asked if he would give back his MVP

683
00:32:45,558 --> 00:32:49,118
Speaker 1: trophy for one super Bowl championship because he did not

684
00:32:49,238 --> 00:32:54,598
Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. And his answer directly no, he

685
00:32:54,718 --> 00:32:57,478
Speaker 1: would prefer to win an MVP then a super Bowl.

686
00:32:58,438 --> 00:33:00,998
Speaker 1: And he actually said that. He said, listen, Brad Johnson

687
00:33:01,038 --> 00:33:03,238
Speaker 1: won a super Bowl, Trent Dilfer won a super Bowl.

688
00:33:03,558 --> 00:33:06,518
Speaker 1: Respect Actually Nick Foles won a super Bowl. That's not

689
00:33:06,558 --> 00:33:10,118
Speaker 1: respectful by the way. You're downgrading those guys. And he

690
00:33:10,198 --> 00:33:13,518
Speaker 1: said people may disagree with them, but he ultimately wants

691
00:33:13,518 --> 00:33:17,598
Speaker 1: to be judged on what he accomplished and not what

692
00:33:17,718 --> 00:33:19,798
Speaker 1: anybody else on his team did. He said, I know

693
00:33:19,878 --> 00:33:23,678
Speaker 1: it's not a popular pick, but my take is I'm

694
00:33:23,718 --> 00:33:28,398
Speaker 1: taking individual success because I did my job. How about that?

695
00:33:28,558 --> 00:33:30,038
Speaker 1: That's not Patrick Mahomes.

696
00:33:30,278 --> 00:33:32,638
Speaker 2: I give him credit for being honest. I really, that's

697
00:33:32,678 --> 00:33:35,478
Speaker 2: the number one I'm hearing all that. I'm okay with that.

698
00:33:35,478 --> 00:33:37,558
Speaker 2: That's honestly how he feels. But I could not disagree

699
00:33:37,558 --> 00:33:39,158
Speaker 2: with them more. I mean, that's just the way the

700
00:33:39,198 --> 00:33:41,598
Speaker 2: world works. Yeah, I could still consider him a friend

701
00:33:41,598 --> 00:33:43,478
Speaker 2: if I was if I knew the guy. But sure,

702
00:33:43,558 --> 00:33:46,198
Speaker 2: I do appreciate the honesty. I do, but for me,

703
00:33:47,478 --> 00:33:52,198
Speaker 2: individual achievement is nice. But if that's all you're chasing,

704
00:33:52,518 --> 00:33:54,198
Speaker 2: you're gonna come up. I mean, for me, I would

705
00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:56,798
Speaker 2: come up with an empty feeling all the time. It's

706
00:33:56,838 --> 00:34:01,598
Speaker 2: about the group achievement, it's about World Series rings. It's

707
00:34:01,638 --> 00:34:03,478
Speaker 2: about you know, at least getting there, even if you

708
00:34:03,518 --> 00:34:05,998
Speaker 2: don't want in. But the goal has always got to

709
00:34:05,998 --> 00:34:09,118
Speaker 2: be that. The individual stuff, you know, that's that's that's

710
00:34:09,158 --> 00:34:12,238
Speaker 2: all just nice. It's fluffy kind of stuff that the

711
00:34:12,278 --> 00:34:16,398
Speaker 2: things that really matter is winning it and winning it

712
00:34:16,438 --> 00:34:18,438
Speaker 2: as a grouper, as a team. As I'm saying, I

713
00:34:18,478 --> 00:34:21,278
Speaker 2: think like a golfer, but even golfers have teams these days.

714
00:34:21,318 --> 00:34:24,318
Speaker 2: But you know, the individual sports is just winning that.

715
00:34:24,358 --> 00:34:28,398
Speaker 2: They're still trying to win the championship. So there's no

716
00:34:28,518 --> 00:34:29,158
Speaker 2: greater goal.

717
00:34:30,118 --> 00:34:30,718
Speaker 3: I don't think.

718
00:34:31,078 --> 00:34:33,038
Speaker 2: Even as a kid, the State Trooper Eagles winning in

719
00:34:34,118 --> 00:34:36,838
Speaker 2: Hazelton I midget football, right, that was huge. The Mally

720
00:34:36,878 --> 00:34:40,198
Speaker 2: Maguire's our Teamers League baseball team winning the district title.

721
00:34:40,358 --> 00:34:42,598
Speaker 2: That was a huge thing. It's all relative. That was

722
00:34:42,638 --> 00:34:45,358
Speaker 2: our World Series, but nothing mattered more than that. I

723
00:34:45,358 --> 00:34:47,358
Speaker 2: can't tell that what I hit or how well I play,

724
00:34:47,398 --> 00:34:48,998
Speaker 2: but I could definitely tell you that we won and

725
00:34:49,078 --> 00:34:51,438
Speaker 2: we went it up in Squeersville. I could tell you

726
00:34:51,438 --> 00:34:52,118
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

727
00:34:52,118 --> 00:34:52,678
Speaker 3: It was great.

728
00:34:53,078 --> 00:34:54,918
Speaker 2: So I don't quite get that. I just think it's

729
00:34:54,958 --> 00:34:57,438
Speaker 2: a sign of the times. That's where we're at. It's

730
00:34:57,478 --> 00:35:01,438
Speaker 2: the individual branding, it's the the social media component of

731
00:35:01,478 --> 00:35:04,398
Speaker 2: all of this, it's the influencers. It's all these different

732
00:35:04,478 --> 00:35:06,998
Speaker 2: things that really points to me it's more of a

733
00:35:07,078 --> 00:35:11,598
Speaker 2: narcissistic method as opposed to the altruistic method, which you know, listen,

734
00:35:11,638 --> 00:35:12,998
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I you know, I

735
00:35:13,038 --> 00:35:14,358
Speaker 2: want to do well for myself too.

736
00:35:14,438 --> 00:35:14,998
Speaker 3: Of course I do.

737
00:35:15,558 --> 00:35:17,758
Speaker 2: I want because I because if I do do well

738
00:35:17,798 --> 00:35:21,278
Speaker 2: for myself, then I'm going to benefit everybody else around me,

739
00:35:21,318 --> 00:35:24,638
Speaker 2: whether it's my family, whether it's my team, whether it's

740
00:35:24,638 --> 00:35:26,718
Speaker 2: you and I just doing our show right now. So

741
00:35:27,878 --> 00:35:30,678
Speaker 2: I appreciate his honesty, but it could not disagree with

742
00:35:30,718 --> 00:35:31,078
Speaker 2: them more.

743
00:35:31,758 --> 00:35:33,598
Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent. And I do

744
00:35:33,678 --> 00:35:35,758
Speaker 1: think it would have been very easy for him just

745
00:35:35,798 --> 00:35:38,678
Speaker 1: to give a boilerplate answer, you know, give it, providing

746
00:35:38,718 --> 00:35:41,398
Speaker 1: the answer that you think the questioner wants to hear.

747
00:35:41,598 --> 00:35:43,758
Speaker 1: And I give him credit that he did not do that.

748
00:35:43,918 --> 00:35:46,238
Speaker 1: He was true to his own convictions, And I agree

749
00:35:46,278 --> 00:35:49,238
Speaker 1: that what he is speaking here is symptomatic of a generation.

750
00:35:49,998 --> 00:35:54,878
Speaker 1: And you know I come from a different generation. You know,

751
00:35:55,478 --> 00:35:58,838
Speaker 1: we were raised on team sports, We were raised with humility.

752
00:36:00,358 --> 00:36:03,518
Speaker 1: Those things are not as important now. We talked about betting.

753
00:36:03,958 --> 00:36:08,038
Speaker 1: Way people follow sports now generally it's driven by individuals

754
00:36:08,118 --> 00:36:12,078
Speaker 1: and personalities more so than teams. So the world has changed.

755
00:36:12,118 --> 00:36:14,318
Speaker 1: This is just the reflection of that. But like you,

756
00:36:14,398 --> 00:36:16,318
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I have to like it that that's

757
00:36:16,358 --> 00:36:18,158
Speaker 1: the way that it is, and I think there's still

758
00:36:18,238 --> 00:36:21,998
Speaker 1: room plenty room for that team first guy, that's how

759
00:36:22,078 --> 00:36:22,958
Speaker 1: championships are won.

760
00:36:23,478 --> 00:36:25,358
Speaker 2: Well, you're talking about also the best in show. I

761
00:36:25,358 --> 00:36:27,358
Speaker 2: mean I've talked about this. I think I mentioned it here,

762
00:36:27,958 --> 00:36:30,598
Speaker 2: Like a lot of the way baseball showcase these days

763
00:36:30,598 --> 00:36:33,078
Speaker 2: were young guys coming up, like area code games.

764
00:36:33,118 --> 00:36:33,518
Speaker 3: Whatever.

765
00:36:34,598 --> 00:36:37,678
Speaker 2: The way the young baseball players are being taught right now,

766
00:36:37,678 --> 00:36:40,718
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily about we're talking about the team component.

767
00:36:40,758 --> 00:36:43,118
Speaker 2: They're just trying to become best in show and a

768
00:36:43,118 --> 00:36:45,398
Speaker 2: lot of that could be through technology or their own

769
00:36:45,398 --> 00:36:51,038
Speaker 2: personal coaches or trainers, whatever. They it's more important for

770
00:36:51,078 --> 00:36:53,558
Speaker 2: them to be considered the best out of this group

771
00:36:53,598 --> 00:36:56,398
Speaker 2: as opposed to the group winning at all just like

772
00:36:56,918 --> 00:37:00,998
Speaker 2: Newton's describing right there. So I absolutely believe in that.

773
00:37:01,238 --> 00:37:03,078
Speaker 2: I mean, I believe that that is true. I've known

774
00:37:03,078 --> 00:37:05,318
Speaker 2: it to be true. I've talked the people I recognize

775
00:37:05,318 --> 00:37:08,758
Speaker 2: this round the early twenty ten or so, into that

776
00:37:09,638 --> 00:37:13,838
Speaker 2: fifteen slot, I saw that becoming more of a thing

777
00:37:14,198 --> 00:37:16,758
Speaker 2: where the player was really more and so I'm not

778
00:37:16,758 --> 00:37:18,198
Speaker 2: going to mention the player's name, but he got to

779
00:37:18,198 --> 00:37:21,038
Speaker 2: the Rays and once he got there, he realized he

780
00:37:21,078 --> 00:37:23,958
Speaker 2: wasn't the best player on the team anymore. Man, that

781
00:37:24,038 --> 00:37:26,318
Speaker 2: really blew him up because he was no longer best

782
00:37:26,358 --> 00:37:28,318
Speaker 2: in Show and had to come at it a little

783
00:37:28,318 --> 00:37:30,798
Speaker 2: bit differently. And I think that's a lot of what

784
00:37:30,918 --> 00:37:33,118
Speaker 2: happens with a lot of the youth and how they're

785
00:37:33,198 --> 00:37:37,358
Speaker 2: raised today. And man, it's just it's tough. It's tough,

786
00:37:37,398 --> 00:37:38,998
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's an age thing. It's just

787
00:37:39,718 --> 00:37:41,478
Speaker 2: what is right and what is wrong kind of a thing.

788
00:37:41,598 --> 00:37:43,318
Speaker 2: So I would love to see us get back to

789
00:37:43,358 --> 00:37:46,238
Speaker 2: that somehow, I said, grown ups running things as opposed

790
00:37:46,278 --> 00:37:51,038
Speaker 2: to adolescents and getting away from best in Show, the

791
00:37:51,078 --> 00:37:54,638
Speaker 2: best team in show. I'm all about that. But I

792
00:37:54,798 --> 00:37:58,438
Speaker 2: just I've listened, I've witnessed it. It's exactly what's going on.

793
00:37:58,998 --> 00:38:01,198
Speaker 1: I love it when you get ribbed up, Joe, and

794
00:38:01,558 --> 00:38:03,118
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep you ribbed up. We're going to

795
00:38:03,158 --> 00:38:05,438
Speaker 1: take a quick break, and when we get back, I'm

796
00:38:05,438 --> 00:38:08,718
Speaker 1: gonna throw some stats at you regarding our youth and

797
00:38:08,918 --> 00:38:13,718
Speaker 1: education that it's gonna get you revved up again. We'll

798
00:38:13,758 --> 00:38:26,918
Speaker 1: do that right after this. Well, Joe, I know you

799
00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:32,678
Speaker 1: care so much about education, our youths. And I came

800
00:38:32,678 --> 00:38:35,518
Speaker 1: across this in the New York Times, and maybe it's

801
00:38:35,558 --> 00:38:37,878
Speaker 1: not a surprise, but it's it's like one of these

802
00:38:38,518 --> 00:38:41,118
Speaker 1: I think alarms, wake up calls that we need every

803
00:38:41,158 --> 00:38:42,918
Speaker 1: once in a while, and we know what's going on,

804
00:38:43,038 --> 00:38:44,918
Speaker 1: but then when it's slammed in our face, we're like, man,

805
00:38:44,958 --> 00:38:48,598
Speaker 1: we have to do something. The percentage of eighth graders

806
00:38:49,158 --> 00:38:55,558
Speaker 1: who have below basic reading skills, it's the largest in

807
00:38:55,598 --> 00:38:59,318
Speaker 1: the three decades since they've been measuring these things. Thirty

808
00:38:59,398 --> 00:39:02,238
Speaker 1: three percent of eighth graders. One of every three eighth

809
00:39:02,278 --> 00:39:10,278
Speaker 1: graders has below back reading skills. This obviously is not good,

810
00:39:10,678 --> 00:39:14,558
Speaker 1: and this is I know people blame the pandemic on everything, right,

811
00:39:14,638 --> 00:39:18,238
Speaker 1: but these scores have been going down pre pandemic and

812
00:39:19,398 --> 00:39:21,798
Speaker 1: there was, And this is the obvious part to me, Joe.

813
00:39:21,958 --> 00:39:24,758
Speaker 1: There's a paper written by this guy named Nat Malchus.

814
00:39:25,118 --> 00:39:29,638
Speaker 1: He's an education researcher at something called the American Enterprise Institute,

815
00:39:30,118 --> 00:39:32,998
Speaker 1: and he points out that the clients in American children's

816
00:39:32,998 --> 00:39:36,958
Speaker 1: performance are echoed in tests of adults skills over the

817
00:39:37,038 --> 00:39:39,598
Speaker 1: same time period. So it's not just the kids. The

818
00:39:39,678 --> 00:39:42,918
Speaker 1: adults ain't reading either. So while we often look the

819
00:39:42,958 --> 00:39:47,078
Speaker 1: classrooms to understand why students are not learning more, some

820
00:39:47,198 --> 00:39:51,238
Speaker 1: of the causes and here's where the obvious point comes in,

821
00:39:51,718 --> 00:39:56,998
Speaker 1: may be attributed to screen time, cell phones, and social media.

822
00:39:57,238 --> 00:40:01,438
Speaker 1: He argues, the phone's ability to make our attention span

823
00:40:01,598 --> 00:40:05,438
Speaker 1: shorter and give kids less ability to stay focused is

824
00:40:05,558 --> 00:40:07,998
Speaker 1: quite likely coming home to roost.

825
00:40:08,758 --> 00:40:12,278
Speaker 2: Me and Scotti, Harris Scotty's now the GM with the Tigers,

826
00:40:12,358 --> 00:40:14,838
Speaker 2: used to sit in my offices on the different road trips,

827
00:40:15,438 --> 00:40:17,838
Speaker 2: and I would bring that conversation up to him all

828
00:40:17,878 --> 00:40:22,038
Speaker 2: the time about the length of our ability to stand

829
00:40:22,038 --> 00:40:26,598
Speaker 2: on a particular subject anymore. And you know, obviously it

830
00:40:26,718 --> 00:40:30,358
Speaker 2: was because based on devices and technology, whether it's my iPad,

831
00:40:30,398 --> 00:40:36,078
Speaker 2: whether it's my iPhone, and whether it's the television itself

832
00:40:36,118 --> 00:40:39,718
Speaker 2: with Netflix and you know, Prime Video and all these

833
00:40:39,758 --> 00:40:43,718
Speaker 2: different services that really draw you away from sitting down

834
00:40:43,958 --> 00:40:45,638
Speaker 2: and really doing what you should be doing, and that's

835
00:40:45,678 --> 00:40:47,398
Speaker 2: reading a good novel, a great novel.

836
00:40:47,838 --> 00:40:48,878
Speaker 3: I did that for years.

837
00:40:48,958 --> 00:40:52,198
Speaker 2: I mean, I swear, I don't believe I could have

838
00:40:52,238 --> 00:40:55,518
Speaker 2: been as successful and my occupation had I not gotten

839
00:40:55,518 --> 00:40:58,238
Speaker 2: into the reading jag. Right about nineteen seventy four to

840
00:40:58,278 --> 00:41:01,598
Speaker 2: seventy five whatever that was, Uncle Chuck with the book

841
00:41:01,638 --> 00:41:03,998
Speaker 2: Centennial by James Mitchener started to be down at a

842
00:41:04,238 --> 00:41:08,358
Speaker 2: man that really, I think it really did it Jettis

843
00:41:08,398 --> 00:41:09,798
Speaker 2: and me to the point where I was able to

844
00:41:09,838 --> 00:41:12,158
Speaker 2: do the things that I did made me think differitely

845
00:41:12,198 --> 00:41:17,998
Speaker 2: made me think. Actually. When we started the Hailton Integration

846
00:41:18,078 --> 00:41:22,038
Speaker 2: Project a couple of years ago in Hazelton, PA, one

847
00:41:22,078 --> 00:41:25,158
Speaker 2: of the things I wanted in our program was speech

848
00:41:25,518 --> 00:41:29,638
Speaker 2: and debate. I thought that would be in our schools

849
00:41:29,638 --> 00:41:33,358
Speaker 2: today out of everything, because speech and debate would really

850
00:41:33,478 --> 00:41:37,118
Speaker 2: also doftail with reading. And that was another program I

851
00:41:37,158 --> 00:41:38,838
Speaker 2: tried to get don to Chicago. I wanted to do

852
00:41:38,878 --> 00:41:41,718
Speaker 2: something called Read fifteen. I wanted to challenge kids to

853
00:41:41,758 --> 00:41:44,038
Speaker 2: read fifteen minutes a night. We're going to send them

854
00:41:44,078 --> 00:41:47,158
Speaker 2: a nice little bookmark made out of a cow hide

855
00:41:47,198 --> 00:41:49,998
Speaker 2: from a baseball or whatever the height is these days.

856
00:41:50,118 --> 00:41:52,278
Speaker 2: But anyway, it was like read fifteen minutes a night

857
00:41:52,638 --> 00:41:58,118
Speaker 2: speech and debate club. Now I believe that in regardless

858
00:41:58,118 --> 00:42:00,798
Speaker 2: of whatever else you may want to study, if you could,

859
00:42:01,118 --> 00:42:04,158
Speaker 2: if you could think on your feet and present which

860
00:42:04,198 --> 00:42:07,078
Speaker 2: you think to whomever, and debate the subject at all,

861
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:10,998
Speaker 2: and because you're well read, you're always employable. You will

862
00:42:11,038 --> 00:42:14,438
Speaker 2: absolutely whatever the job is that you're seeking. If you

863
00:42:14,438 --> 00:42:17,958
Speaker 2: could do those things, you're gonna impress somebody. You're gonna

864
00:42:17,958 --> 00:42:19,918
Speaker 2: impress somebody. They're gonna like, They're gonna like you, they

865
00:42:19,958 --> 00:42:21,918
Speaker 2: gonna like your personality of the fact you could carry

866
00:42:21,958 --> 00:42:23,838
Speaker 2: on the conversation, the fact that you have some depth

867
00:42:23,878 --> 00:42:26,118
Speaker 2: to you is all going to be present in that

868
00:42:26,198 --> 00:42:29,758
Speaker 2: whatever ten to fifteen minute moment where the interview occurs.

869
00:42:30,198 --> 00:42:33,158
Speaker 2: So I listen, there's another genie in a bottle kind

870
00:42:33,158 --> 00:42:34,958
Speaker 2: of thing, because I'm guilty. I mean, I read the

871
00:42:34,958 --> 00:42:37,038
Speaker 2: New York Post every morning, sitting right where I'm at

872
00:42:37,118 --> 00:42:39,238
Speaker 2: right now. But then I don't pick up a book

873
00:42:39,278 --> 00:42:42,518
Speaker 2: anymore because I have a hard time based on all

874
00:42:42,998 --> 00:42:46,478
Speaker 2: this training that has happened to me also between the

875
00:42:46,518 --> 00:42:48,798
Speaker 2: speed of the information that's coming across to me that

876
00:42:49,798 --> 00:42:52,798
Speaker 2: I'd read constantly, but not novels. And then at night

877
00:42:52,918 --> 00:42:56,478
Speaker 2: I just turned into Jerry Seinfeld reruns because I love it,

878
00:42:56,238 --> 00:42:59,678
Speaker 2: and it's just it's a great way to relax at night,

879
00:42:59,918 --> 00:43:01,318
Speaker 2: and not because I don't want to.

880
00:43:01,518 --> 00:43:01,958
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

881
00:43:01,998 --> 00:43:03,518
Speaker 2: I don't want to pay attention to something I have

882
00:43:03,558 --> 00:43:05,838
Speaker 2: to really watch, And a lot of this stuff is

883
00:43:05,878 --> 00:43:08,358
Speaker 2: so dark that's been put on at nights anywhere that

884
00:43:08,398 --> 00:43:10,478
Speaker 2: I don't want my mind to go there before I

885
00:43:10,518 --> 00:43:14,078
Speaker 2: go to sleep. So I would love for me personally

886
00:43:14,638 --> 00:43:19,078
Speaker 2: to reattach myself to the reading method that that chip

887
00:43:19,118 --> 00:43:21,198
Speaker 2: that I have within me that it'ves gone dormant. And

888
00:43:21,238 --> 00:43:23,958
Speaker 2: I would just love for kids and schools to understand

889
00:43:24,598 --> 00:43:27,558
Speaker 2: really speech and debate and emphasize reading.

890
00:43:27,878 --> 00:43:29,918
Speaker 3: And I really believe you're going to.

891
00:43:29,958 --> 00:43:34,678
Speaker 2: Get a much more well rounded student that's capable when

892
00:43:34,718 --> 00:43:36,398
Speaker 2: they leave your school. They're gonna be gonna be very

893
00:43:36,398 --> 00:43:39,358
Speaker 2: proud as an educator because that kid is can be

894
00:43:39,398 --> 00:43:42,318
Speaker 2: able to become employable almost everywhere, and he's also going

895
00:43:42,318 --> 00:43:45,558
Speaker 2: to advance his own education because of those skills alone.

896
00:43:45,798 --> 00:43:46,518
Speaker 2: That's what I think.

897
00:43:46,718 --> 00:43:48,918
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm with you, and listen, Especially for

898
00:43:48,998 --> 00:43:52,678
Speaker 1: a kid, novels can be intimidating, you know, the length

899
00:43:52,718 --> 00:43:54,918
Speaker 1: of commitment that it takes. But it doesn't necessarily have

900
00:43:54,958 --> 00:43:57,478
Speaker 1: to be that. Just the act of reading reading articles,

901
00:43:58,478 --> 00:44:02,398
Speaker 1: you know, that's fine, But we're getting away as this

902
00:44:02,438 --> 00:44:05,478
Speaker 1: generation grows up with the ices in their hands from

903
00:44:05,558 --> 00:44:09,518
Speaker 1: the actual reading. They're just surfing for videos and I'm

904
00:44:09,558 --> 00:44:14,438
Speaker 1: not counting reading texts or tweets as reading. That certainly

905
00:44:14,478 --> 00:44:14,678
Speaker 1: is not.

906
00:44:14,798 --> 00:44:14,918
Speaker 3: It.

907
00:44:15,038 --> 00:44:17,438
Speaker 1: Just to give you an idea, Joe, with what the

908
00:44:17,718 --> 00:44:22,278
Speaker 1: below basic means. That means in eighth grade students who

909
00:44:22,318 --> 00:44:25,838
Speaker 1: are below basic, they can't determine the main idea of

910
00:44:25,878 --> 00:44:28,998
Speaker 1: a text, Like after reading a story, they can't identify

911
00:44:29,038 --> 00:44:32,518
Speaker 1: what the main idea was, and they can't identify different

912
00:44:32,598 --> 00:44:36,118
Speaker 1: sides of an argument or different sides of a proposition

913
00:44:36,278 --> 00:44:40,958
Speaker 1: within that text. I mean, it's scary, you know, as

914
00:44:41,158 --> 00:44:44,598
Speaker 1: years ago the singer Ani DiFranco said, you know, put

915
00:44:44,638 --> 00:44:48,838
Speaker 1: down those weapons of mass distraction. That's what they are.

916
00:44:49,318 --> 00:44:53,758
Speaker 1: Devices are weapons of mass distraction, and most people are

917
00:44:53,958 --> 00:44:58,398
Speaker 1: not even aware of how their brains are being hijacked.

918
00:44:58,438 --> 00:45:00,158
Speaker 1: We talked about the word of the year last year

919
00:45:00,158 --> 00:45:03,718
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Brain rot, brain rot, which is

920
00:45:03,718 --> 00:45:07,158
Speaker 1: what what happens when you're just aimlessly scrolling on your device.

921
00:45:08,118 --> 00:45:12,118
Speaker 1: Use your time, better use your actual brain. You know.

922
00:45:12,198 --> 00:45:14,678
Speaker 1: It's like they say baseball with a fastball, use it

923
00:45:15,038 --> 00:45:18,038
Speaker 1: or lose it. And the same happens with critical thinking

924
00:45:18,558 --> 00:45:22,838
Speaker 1: with your brain. You have to challenge yourself by using

925
00:45:22,838 --> 00:45:25,638
Speaker 1: your own right brain rather than just exporting everything to

926
00:45:25,678 --> 00:45:27,558
Speaker 1: this hard drive. It's doing a thinking for you.

927
00:45:28,238 --> 00:45:28,998
Speaker 3: Twenty sixteen.

928
00:45:29,038 --> 00:45:30,958
Speaker 2: This really I could tell you dates on this one,

929
00:45:30,998 --> 00:45:33,478
Speaker 2: but twenty sixteen, after the World Series, I went back

930
00:45:33,478 --> 00:45:36,838
Speaker 2: to Lafayette, got my buddy Willie Span the B Street

931
00:45:36,838 --> 00:45:38,958
Speaker 2: band from the Jersey Shore to do a gig at

932
00:45:38,998 --> 00:45:41,798
Speaker 2: my fraternity at Lafayette at seta side that was we

933
00:45:41,838 --> 00:45:45,638
Speaker 2: went back for the Lehigh Lafayette football game night before,

934
00:45:45,758 --> 00:45:47,998
Speaker 2: band party, all this kind of stuff. I was expecting

935
00:45:48,038 --> 00:45:50,158
Speaker 2: it to be a lot like it had been, but

936
00:45:50,278 --> 00:45:54,038
Speaker 2: it wasn't. And Alison Byerley was the president of Lafayette

937
00:45:54,078 --> 00:45:55,678
Speaker 2: at that time, and I.

938
00:45:55,598 --> 00:45:57,158
Speaker 3: Said, I really want to invite all the students.

939
00:45:57,198 --> 00:45:59,118
Speaker 2: O I want all the students to come out to

940
00:45:59,198 --> 00:46:01,438
Speaker 2: the frat house and you know, experience a good old

941
00:46:01,638 --> 00:46:05,558
Speaker 2: time frat party encouraged me so much because she said,

942
00:46:05,598 --> 00:46:08,158
Speaker 2: we cannot get them to come out of their dorms.

943
00:46:08,278 --> 00:46:09,838
Speaker 2: They would not come out of the dorms. They would

944
00:46:09,878 --> 00:46:12,438
Speaker 2: just communicate via the devices there were. She was so

945
00:46:12,598 --> 00:46:16,198
Speaker 2: concerned with their inability to communicate with one another, just

946
00:46:16,278 --> 00:46:19,838
Speaker 2: carry on a normal conversation. These are pretty bright kids,

947
00:46:20,158 --> 00:46:21,998
Speaker 2: and they wouldn't do that. So I think we might

948
00:46:22,038 --> 00:46:25,718
Speaker 2: have garnered maybe a seventy five or one hundred person

949
00:46:25,838 --> 00:46:29,078
Speaker 2: audience for this really, and even Max Weinberg came out.

950
00:46:29,118 --> 00:46:30,158
Speaker 3: He was a drummer that night.

951
00:46:30,638 --> 00:46:32,158
Speaker 2: But she told me at that time, and that's why

952
00:46:32,198 --> 00:46:33,838
Speaker 2: I really started paying more attention to it.

953
00:46:34,038 --> 00:46:35,158
Speaker 3: That's about ten years ago.

954
00:46:36,078 --> 00:46:40,358
Speaker 2: The fact that the communication between students' kids at that

955
00:46:40,398 --> 00:46:43,998
Speaker 2: age and probably younger was primarily done via their thumbs

956
00:46:44,078 --> 00:46:47,558
Speaker 2: or their index fingers, whatever, the face to face getting

957
00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:52,718
Speaker 2: outside the socialization, real socialization as opposed to social media

958
00:46:53,078 --> 00:46:56,318
Speaker 2: very rarely occurs, and that was that was really bothering

959
00:46:56,318 --> 00:46:58,638
Speaker 2: her at that time. She's no longer at LAF yet,

960
00:46:58,638 --> 00:47:00,758
Speaker 2: But when she told me that, I have so much

961
00:47:00,798 --> 00:47:03,518
Speaker 2: paid more attention to it since then, because again I

962
00:47:03,558 --> 00:47:05,558
Speaker 2: was not part of my radar, but she put it

963
00:47:05,598 --> 00:47:06,958
Speaker 2: on my radar screen.

964
00:47:07,438 --> 00:47:09,558
Speaker 1: Well, these are big topics, Joe. I'm not sure we

965
00:47:10,598 --> 00:47:13,838
Speaker 1: are changing the world, but we're at least calling attention

966
00:47:13,918 --> 00:47:16,918
Speaker 1: to something that I think obviously it does and you're

967
00:47:16,918 --> 00:47:20,238
Speaker 1: seeing now a little bit of I don't want to

968
00:47:20,278 --> 00:47:24,718
Speaker 1: call it backlash, but attention paid to these issues. Australia

969
00:47:24,798 --> 00:47:28,358
Speaker 1: is thinking about banning social media for kids succeed and under.

970
00:47:28,758 --> 00:47:31,318
Speaker 1: Some states are thinking now about and I think some

971
00:47:31,398 --> 00:47:35,238
Speaker 1: may do this banning cell phones throughout the school hours,

972
00:47:35,318 --> 00:47:38,118
Speaker 1: which makes all the sense in the world. By the way,

973
00:47:38,638 --> 00:47:40,878
Speaker 1: you just lock up your device like sometimes they do

974
00:47:40,958 --> 00:47:42,718
Speaker 1: at concerts, and then you pick it up at the

975
00:47:42,798 --> 00:47:46,038
Speaker 1: end of the day. What's so radical about that? But

976
00:47:46,078 --> 00:47:49,478
Speaker 1: we do have to now think about mitigating strategies to

977
00:47:50,358 --> 00:47:51,838
Speaker 1: have kids using their brains more.

978
00:47:52,438 --> 00:47:55,038
Speaker 3: Well. I did want to do that with the Cubbies.

979
00:47:55,078 --> 00:47:57,758
Speaker 2: I talked to Jason Hayward and he says, how about

980
00:47:57,958 --> 00:47:58,798
Speaker 2: and I never did it?

981
00:47:58,958 --> 00:48:01,558
Speaker 3: Never fall through my fault. So what do you think.

982
00:48:01,398 --> 00:48:05,438
Speaker 2: About if we pick one day, one day a week, whatever,

983
00:48:05,758 --> 00:48:08,518
Speaker 2: when y'all come into the ballpark, we get your cell phones,

984
00:48:08,598 --> 00:48:10,718
Speaker 2: we lock them up for the whole day. That was

985
00:48:10,798 --> 00:48:12,358
Speaker 2: part of it. The other part of it was I

986
00:48:12,758 --> 00:48:15,158
Speaker 2: was on the verge of getting a phone booth, and

987
00:48:15,238 --> 00:48:19,558
Speaker 2: real phone booth was on eBay out of somewhere in Texas.

988
00:48:19,878 --> 00:48:22,558
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring a phone booth into the locker

989
00:48:22,638 --> 00:48:25,638
Speaker 2: room at Sloan with a real phone in it that

990
00:48:25,718 --> 00:48:27,638
Speaker 2: actually worked. I don't even know if they existed anymore,

991
00:48:27,678 --> 00:48:29,798
Speaker 2: but that's what I wanted to do, so that if

992
00:48:29,838 --> 00:48:31,798
Speaker 2: in fact, you needed to use a phone on that

993
00:48:31,878 --> 00:48:34,118
Speaker 2: particular day, you had to go to the phone booth.

994
00:48:35,038 --> 00:48:38,718
Speaker 2: I just just to see, you know what the reaction

995
00:48:38,798 --> 00:48:42,318
Speaker 2: would be. Trying to make a point. Put this thing down.

996
00:48:42,358 --> 00:48:45,598
Speaker 2: Could you survive without he can't survive without it? You can't,

997
00:48:45,678 --> 00:48:48,118
Speaker 2: I mean you can't. I went to the golf the

998
00:48:48,118 --> 00:48:49,478
Speaker 2: other day. I forgot here. But there was a day

999
00:48:49,518 --> 00:48:52,158
Speaker 2: my mom was being operated on that kind of freaked

1000
00:48:52,158 --> 00:48:54,318
Speaker 2: me out. So I didn't have this device to stay

1001
00:48:54,358 --> 00:48:56,758
Speaker 2: in touch with my sister on the day Beanie was

1002
00:48:56,798 --> 00:48:59,398
Speaker 2: being operated. Just of all days, I forgot my phone

1003
00:48:59,838 --> 00:49:03,158
Speaker 2: and I felt so like a bad guy. I felt

1004
00:49:03,158 --> 00:49:05,398
Speaker 2: like a bad person because I was not able to

1005
00:49:05,438 --> 00:49:08,118
Speaker 2: stay in touch with my sister on that particular day.

1006
00:49:08,278 --> 00:49:10,798
Speaker 2: Hurried back, got to the phone, because the part of

1007
00:49:10,798 --> 00:49:12,918
Speaker 2: it is you don't know phone numbers, so you can't

1008
00:49:12,918 --> 00:49:15,878
Speaker 2: even like call somebody on somebody else's phone. I don't

1009
00:49:15,918 --> 00:49:19,638
Speaker 2: know their number. It's in my phone. So it was

1010
00:49:19,678 --> 00:49:23,118
Speaker 2: a bad feeling, and I'm guilty. I'm guilty, So I'm

1011
00:49:23,158 --> 00:49:25,878
Speaker 2: guilty of this. Also, I so wish that somehow I

1012
00:49:25,878 --> 00:49:28,398
Speaker 2: could detach and maybe one of these days I'll figure

1013
00:49:28,438 --> 00:49:28,678
Speaker 2: it out.

1014
00:49:29,958 --> 00:49:31,958
Speaker 1: How's Beanie doing, by the way.

1015
00:49:31,838 --> 00:49:32,558
Speaker 3: She's doing great.

1016
00:49:32,678 --> 00:49:38,038
Speaker 2: She fell broke a hip, had surgery that's about about

1017
00:49:38,038 --> 00:49:41,638
Speaker 2: a month ago, almost right now, and she's already rehabbed

1018
00:49:41,638 --> 00:49:43,038
Speaker 2: to the point where she's able to go back to

1019
00:49:43,038 --> 00:49:45,558
Speaker 2: where the place she had been living the Laurels.

1020
00:49:45,598 --> 00:49:46,638
Speaker 3: And she's actually doing great.

1021
00:49:46,678 --> 00:49:49,318
Speaker 2: I think she's stronger now because she's really attacked the

1022
00:49:49,358 --> 00:49:51,798
Speaker 2: rehab ninety two and attacking rehab.

1023
00:49:51,838 --> 00:49:52,758
Speaker 3: Cannot be more proud.

1024
00:49:53,278 --> 00:49:55,118
Speaker 1: That's great to hear. That is great to hear. Well,

1025
00:49:55,118 --> 00:49:57,238
Speaker 1: we covered a lot of ground today on the Book

1026
00:49:57,238 --> 00:50:00,638
Speaker 1: of Joe, and somehow, Joe, you always bring us home

1027
00:50:00,678 --> 00:50:03,158
Speaker 1: with something appropriate, even not knowing what the topics is

1028
00:50:03,238 --> 00:50:05,478
Speaker 1: going to be. What do you got teed up today?

1029
00:50:06,078 --> 00:50:06,438
Speaker 3: Got you?

1030
00:50:06,798 --> 00:50:09,838
Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's from Herman Melville. I mean, I don't

1031
00:50:09,878 --> 00:50:13,438
Speaker 2: know this guy. You know Moby Dick, but one time

1032
00:50:13,958 --> 00:50:17,718
Speaker 2: we've talked about this. In Moby Dick, he spoke about

1033
00:50:17,758 --> 00:50:20,078
Speaker 2: the insular Tahiti that exists in all of us with

1034
00:50:20,158 --> 00:50:23,758
Speaker 2: this place we go to when things get nuts and

1035
00:50:23,878 --> 00:50:26,438
Speaker 2: you're able to like get to this point, whether it's

1036
00:50:26,438 --> 00:50:28,758
Speaker 2: a thought of breath, whatever it might be that you

1037
00:50:29,478 --> 00:50:32,918
Speaker 2: could focus on and cause you permit you to relax

1038
00:50:33,038 --> 00:50:35,358
Speaker 2: kind of a thing. So this is one I don't

1039
00:50:35,398 --> 00:50:37,558
Speaker 2: think I've used this before, but I love this one.

1040
00:50:38,478 --> 00:50:42,478
Speaker 2: And he said it is better to fail an originality

1041
00:50:42,638 --> 00:50:47,718
Speaker 2: than to succeed in imitation. I mean, everybody today wants

1042
00:50:47,758 --> 00:50:52,398
Speaker 2: to be like everybody else, and god, even organizations, everybody

1043
00:50:52,638 --> 00:50:56,478
Speaker 2: wants to be like somebody else. And they're always calling

1044
00:50:57,038 --> 00:51:00,718
Speaker 2: the copycat component of it. If anybody's a little bit successful,

1045
00:51:01,078 --> 00:51:03,038
Speaker 2: my goodness, somebody's gonna be on the phone with somebody

1046
00:51:03,038 --> 00:51:04,398
Speaker 2: to try to find out what'd you do?

1047
00:51:04,438 --> 00:51:05,118
Speaker 3: How'd you get there?

1048
00:51:06,198 --> 00:51:09,638
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to imitate, and really the originality component to

1049
00:51:09,678 --> 00:51:12,718
Speaker 2: me is really going nobody sits there and really ponders enough,

1050
00:51:12,758 --> 00:51:15,318
Speaker 2: thanks enough. And again part of that is like the

1051
00:51:15,478 --> 00:51:17,518
Speaker 2: we talked about this putting the ten thousand hours in

1052
00:51:17,558 --> 00:51:21,318
Speaker 2: the Gladwell thing about really becoming efficient, proficient at something.

1053
00:51:21,438 --> 00:51:23,158
Speaker 3: So I love this.

1054
00:51:24,798 --> 00:51:28,478
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.

1055
00:51:28,998 --> 00:51:32,078
Speaker 2: Melville pretty sharp cat man. He wrote some good stuff,

1056
00:51:32,598 --> 00:51:34,478
Speaker 2: and I really love that particular one.

1057
00:51:34,638 --> 00:51:37,238
Speaker 1: Yeah, be the best you, no question about it. I'll

1058
00:51:37,318 --> 00:51:40,478
Speaker 1: go back to advice I got from Vince Scully. I

1059
00:51:40,558 --> 00:51:42,798
Speaker 1: got a lot of advice from Vin Scully, but some

1060
00:51:42,838 --> 00:51:44,878
Speaker 1: of the best advice he got. He was starting out,

1061
00:51:45,038 --> 00:51:48,278
Speaker 1: and you know, as you know, Joe, and like any business,

1062
00:51:48,398 --> 00:51:51,358
Speaker 1: you know, and broadcasting, you do try to copy people.

1063
00:51:51,438 --> 00:51:55,758
Speaker 1: A lot of people do anyway, and Red Barber told him,

1064
00:51:56,038 --> 00:51:58,438
Speaker 1: be you be the best version of Vin Scully. But

1065
00:51:58,718 --> 00:52:01,038
Speaker 1: if you try to be me, you're going to be

1066
00:52:01,038 --> 00:52:03,398
Speaker 1: a copy of me and not the best version of you.

1067
00:52:03,958 --> 00:52:07,238
Speaker 1: The way Vince said it was, don't water your own wine,

1068
00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:11,878
Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of your own uniqueness and individuality

1069
00:52:12,038 --> 00:52:16,198
Speaker 1: and be the best version of you. So Herman Melville, that's,

1070
00:52:16,598 --> 00:52:19,158
Speaker 1: by the way, that's not an easy book to get through. Yeah,

1071
00:52:19,558 --> 00:52:23,158
Speaker 1: it takes some time. I would suggest starting if you're

1072
00:52:23,198 --> 00:52:26,598
Speaker 1: getting back to your novel Jag, don't start there I'll

1073
00:52:26,638 --> 00:52:30,678
Speaker 1: start with Herman, great stuff, Joe. We'll see you next time.

1074
00:52:30,678 --> 00:52:31,478
Speaker 1: I have the Book of Joe.

1075
00:52:31,718 --> 00:52:40,398
Speaker 3: Thanks Buddy, nice job. The Book of.

1076
00:52:40,438 --> 00:52:44,318
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Speaker 1: from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.