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Speaker 1: wondered how many job openings will there be. Now, we

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Speaker 1: And then you realize we have Bears, Broncos, Dolphins, Giants, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Texans, Vikings.

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Speaker 1: So twenty eight percent of the league needs a head coach,

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Speaker 1: and it'll probably happen quickly, you know, once these teams

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Speaker 1: there's assistant coaches on these teams that maybe will be

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Speaker 1: it feels like we're playing the game of musical chairs

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Speaker 1: it feels like there's there's a lot more turnover than

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Speaker 1: we thought. And yesterday you had Sean Payton announced that

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Speaker 1: Now it was labeled in a variety of ways, stepping down,

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Speaker 1: Bowl in twenty ten, nine double digit victory seasons with

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Speaker 1: Does that sound about right? By the way, here is

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton talking about he doesn't like to use that

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Speaker 1: an opportunity also to see my kids more, to travel

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Speaker 1: for him to say, have you seen my quarterbacks? Of course,

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Speaker 1: then I'll stay. But you've got all these coaching vacancies

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Speaker 1: right now. Who would have thought Bears, Broncos, Dolphins, Giants, Jags, Raiders, Saints, Texans,

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Speaker 1: But he could be in a broadcast a head coach.

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Speaker 1: But you don't think he coached football this upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: what's it going to cost? You know, does the cost

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Speaker 1: Best big sports and nickname, Big Aristotle Shack, Big Baby,

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Speaker 1: and I like the Big Hurt. I think those are

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Speaker 1: the wall that if they I'm afraid that Joe is

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Speaker 1: going to be so good that he's going to cover

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Speaker 1: up a lot of sins and they're not going to

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Speaker 1: be as successful as they should be with him at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. Hopefully I'm wrong, and hopefully they can

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Speaker 1: fix this stuff. I don't know if they can fix

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Speaker 1: it this year. We'll see how far they can go,

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Speaker 1: but they do have to address it for sure. When

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Speaker 1: you look at the forty nine ers in the last

432
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Speaker 1: fifteen days, they trailed the Rams seventeen to nothing, came

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Speaker 1: back to win in Los Angeles, found a way to

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Speaker 1: win at Dallas, and then found a way to win

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Speaker 1: at Green Bay. They are six and oh against the

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Speaker 1: Rams since New Year's twenty nineteen. How did the Rams

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Speaker 1: turn this around and win this game. Well, the Rams

438
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Speaker 1: are up on him last time. I really think that

439
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. It's a throwback style of football.

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Speaker 1: It's a very physical style of football, but it's it's

441
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Speaker 1: schematically it's advantageous because they'll put Trim Williams at fullback.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you saw a man coming across the formation

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Speaker 1: and it just blowing up the entire right side of

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Speaker 1: the line. So he does, how do so many things

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Speaker 1: to challenge you, So it's not like you can just

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Speaker 1: bring an extra guy down. You know what's going to

447
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Speaker 1: have to happen is they're going to have to just

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Speaker 1: toughen up like it's a it's an old school and

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Speaker 1: it's like almost Junior Highest, but you're gonna need a

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Speaker 1: raw rosspatch to get these guys physically going, because George

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Speaker 1: Kittle and Trent Williams and these guys are gonna just

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Speaker 1: try and absolutely road grade you off the line. Like

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Speaker 1: it was a great match up for the Rams last

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Speaker 1: week because you have a depleted offensive line with the

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Speaker 1: Bucks and you have some absolute killers up front. You

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Speaker 1: got Vaughan who got a great day, Aaron Donald. These

457
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Speaker 1: guys can just pin their ears back and go get

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Speaker 1: you right. What the Rams have to do is they

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Speaker 1: kind of have to match. They got to use those backs.

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Speaker 1: You know, they'd have Cam Anchors, they got Sonny Michelle,

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Speaker 1: and they've been doing a better job of that. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's where they have to go. They

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Speaker 1: can't get into just a drop back pass situation because

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Speaker 1: you know, both in those guys Armstead, they're just they're gonna,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna, they're gonna win that situation. They're gonna win

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Speaker 1: that battle. But their edge is who they brought in

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Speaker 1: in the offseason. It's Matt Stafford. Like we saw Mats

468
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Speaker 1: as good as anybody, and that I've seen against the

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Speaker 1: blitz and what we see Tampa Bay do at the

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Speaker 1: end of the game, they bring pressure, he burns them

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Speaker 1: and he did it consistently. So I don't know that

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, Nighters aren't gonna have to blitz

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Speaker 1: or they they normally don't need the blitz right exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: So the only problem is, you know, in the secondary,

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Speaker 1: which I think Jimiko Ryans has been brilliant. I think

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Speaker 1: that he did a great job against Aaron Rodgers. You

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Speaker 1: it's very subtle. You saw Josh Norman jog out there

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Speaker 1: and you saw Aaron Rodgers eyes light up like I'm

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Speaker 1: coming at this guy right and he got the first one.

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Speaker 1: He threw it right at him in complete. The second

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Speaker 1: play that Josh Norman was in, he looked at Davante

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Speaker 1: and they suddenly changed the coverage. They showed like a

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Speaker 1: two man coverage where he's being doubled. And then right

484
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Speaker 1: at the snap, Josh Norman jumped outside and the safety

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Speaker 1: rotated down and Aaron didn't know what he was seeing

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Speaker 1: and he went back to their side end up having

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Speaker 1: a It wasn't a sack, but it was a negative play.

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Speaker 1: And that's what that's what they have to that's what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do. Damco Ryans He's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to be on it. But you know, I think the

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Speaker 1: Rams can. I think the Rams are gonna make a

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Speaker 1: much better game out of it, because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: they were up, they had the confidence that they could

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Speaker 1: do it. But man, it's the physical it's the physicalness.

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Speaker 1: It's the physicality that they bring. It's Deebo Samuel. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do you how do you match that? That's not

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Speaker 1: something that you can just flip a switch on and

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Speaker 1: be you know, you have to be that from the beginning,

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Speaker 1: and that's what that's been. You know, watch has been

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Speaker 1: so successful. All right, we've asked everybody. Everybody seems to

501
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Speaker 1: be talking about it. Your solution for overtime and the

502
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: NFL playoffs is what? Well? I mean, my goodness, I've

503
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Speaker 1: known Josh Allen forever and so I'm a little biased

504
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Speaker 1: because the kids from the Central Valley and I just

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00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: watched him sitting on the heater, you know, the whole

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Speaker 1: overtime and didn't even get a crack at it. We

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Speaker 1: even heard Andy Reid I think yesterday, say at least

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Speaker 1: let the other offense get the ball. And I understand

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Speaker 1: they don't want to do the college overtime for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: probably a lot of reasons. They don't want to do

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Speaker 1: just a time limit another quarter because you know that's

512
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Speaker 1: just going to prolong everything and that's gonna bleed into

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Speaker 1: other games. So I get it. So, but at least

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen has to touch the football from me, because

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Speaker 1: that'd be like going to a Dodger game, right, and

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Speaker 1: it's extra nings and the visiting team hits a home

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Speaker 1: run and then everybody that's it all right, everybody go home,

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Speaker 1: you know, like the Dodgers get to hit, but we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna let them. They don't get to bat. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly what it is. So I think that you at

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Speaker 1: least give the chance for the other team to touch

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Speaker 1: the football on offense and then if they don't make it,

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Speaker 1: then they don't make it. Everybody's happy. But it was

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Speaker 1: a great game, but it was it left a little

525
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Speaker 1: sour taste in your mouth just because you didn't feel

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Speaker 1: like he got it was. It was a fair fight.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, David. We appreciate you getting up early for

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Speaker 1: us and have fun this weekend. How's your brother doing.

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Speaker 1: He's good, man. He's a little tired from that season emotionally,

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Speaker 1: but he was they were He had a good run.

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Speaker 1: They did pretty much all they could do. So he's

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Speaker 1: he's feeling great, playing a lot of golf now. And

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Speaker 1: who's he think the coach is going to be? Well,

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Speaker 1: he'd love for it to be Rich Bisacci. Honestly, player

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Speaker 1: in that building would love for that to be him.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see, I mean, we'll see. We don't know

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Speaker 1: what Mark's thinking and what they're gonna do. And general

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Speaker 1: manager got to get hired first, but yeah, you'd love

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Speaker 1: for to be rich. Thank you, David. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: It's always have fun this weekend. You gotta body. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: That's David Carr, NFL network analyst. He's good. There's some

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00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: good opinions there. I like talking to a couple of

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Speaker 1: phone calls here, Sean and Kansas joining us to lead

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Speaker 1: us off, Sean, what's on your mind this morning? Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. I actually have an idea

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Speaker 1: for an overtime rule that keeps defenses on us, but

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Speaker 1: it also keeps it fair. First, I just want to

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Speaker 1: give a shout out to Aoka Lee. I live in Manhattan, Kansas,

549
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Speaker 1: and she broke the NCAA record for most pointed in

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Speaker 1: a Divisional one game and it was pretty overshadowed by

551
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Speaker 1: football this weekend. But it's a turn Manhattan around after

552
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Speaker 1: we lost to Kayu this weekend. So, but overtime, if

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Speaker 1: you give the first team the ball and they go

554
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Speaker 1: down and they score a touchdown, they have to score

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Speaker 1: a two point conversion. They can't to kick a field goal,

556
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Speaker 1: and if they miss the two point conversion, you give

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Speaker 1: it to the other team. They can go down score

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Speaker 1: a touchdown point after and they win. But if the

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Speaker 1: first team scores the two point conversion and it's good,

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Speaker 1: then the next team has to score that two point conversion.

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Speaker 1: Then it sudden death. Either way, defense has to stop

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Speaker 1: the first team from scoring and a two point conversion.

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Speaker 1: It keeps the defense honest in my mind, Thank you, Sean. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty good solution because it makes

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Speaker 1: It makes a lot of pressure on the team that

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Speaker 1: gets the ball first. The team that gets the ball

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Speaker 1: second knows what they're getting into and they kind of

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Speaker 1: have an advantage there. But if it's a tie, you're

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Speaker 1: still going back to someone's going to get the ball

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Speaker 1: and the other guy doesn't get the ball. I would

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Speaker 1: just have it. You get the ball one possession, whatever

572
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Speaker 1: you do on that, and then you get the ball

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Speaker 1: one possession, whatever you do with that. If you're tied

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Speaker 1: after that, benage, sudden death overtime field goal can win

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Speaker 1: it that way. Patrick Mahomes gets the ball, Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: gets the ball. Now it comes down to who's going

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Speaker 1: to score next. Everybody got their chance. If you want

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Speaker 1: to go for two, you can go for two. But

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Speaker 1: that I get some point. You just have to have

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Speaker 1: some kind of rationale that says, can we do this

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Speaker 1: after sixty minutes? Now go out there and now play

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Speaker 1: for another fifteen minutes and try to settle this. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the NFL Competition Committee is going

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Speaker 1: to look at this because it usually takes something like this.

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Speaker 1: If we didn't have this, then nobody. If you brought

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Speaker 1: up overtime, people would be like, yeah, it's okay. But

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Speaker 1: now that we have this game, we had this moment,

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Speaker 1: we feel cheated here. Now we want to reconsider overtime,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to guess the Competition Committee will look

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Speaker 1: at it in the off season. Thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: to the Writer's Wing of the Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 1: as of twenty twenty two, Career Excellence Award winner inducted

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Speaker 1: into Cooper's Town this summer. Who would have thought that

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Speaker 1: Tim would get in before Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Well,

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Speaker 1: I certainly didn't think that was going to happen. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think it would ever happen for me. But I

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Speaker 1: think this is going to be the largest disparity in

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Speaker 1: size between player that's elected and the writer that's elected.

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Speaker 1: I weighed in at one forty this morning, Dan so

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Speaker 1: giving up at least one forty to Big Poppy. And

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Speaker 1: there's no steroid trace with you? Is there? Tim Well?

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Speaker 1: Five four and a half one? And I can bench

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Speaker 1: about sixty that I don't think this possibility of steroids. Now,

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Speaker 1: if somebody didn't know the results of yesterday, how would

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Speaker 1: you explain what happened? Well, I would explain what happened yesterday. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope I say this is the right way. This

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Speaker 1: is the most difficult process, The most difficult job that

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Speaker 1: I've ever had in forty two years of covering baseball

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Speaker 1: is trying to figure out what to do with a ballot,

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Speaker 1: say like this, what do we do with Bonds and Clemens?

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Speaker 1: And are they in a different category than David Ortiz?

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Speaker 1: And is he in a different category than Manny Ramirez

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Speaker 1: and Alex Rodriguez. Those are the things that you have

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Speaker 1: to go through. So I don't want any sympathy neither

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Speaker 1: of the writers. We're just saying, this is a really

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Speaker 1: difficult process. So somebody got in yesterday, David Ortiz, who

636
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: I voted for and I believe should be in the

637
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, on the first ballot, But the rest

638
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: of it is confusing, and there are no more right

639
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: answers anymore. Dan, I fill out my ballot, and I

640
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: have for thirty one years. When I look at my

641
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: ballot these every time the last ten years, I look

642
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: at it and say, well, I didn't do this right

643
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: because there are no more right answers. It bothers me

644
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: when people would say to me or anyone else, you

645
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: did it wrong. I'm not sure you did wrong. I'm

646
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: just not sure you did it right. That's because there's

647
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: so many unanswered questions to all of this, and we

648
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: need a little bit more clarity moving forward. There's so

649
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: many people who say the following, well, Bonds was a

650
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer before, Clemens a Hall of Famer before,

651
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: But I disagree. I think if you're a Hall of Famer,

652
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: you're a Hall of Famer, and a Hall of Famer

653
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't use steroids performance enhancing drugs. Bonds was the best

654
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: player in the game. Clemens had a run with Boston,

655
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: but then he went to Toronto, like just trying to

656
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: sort all of this out, like a rod got popped twice,

657
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: big poppy with the Mitchell Report, I don't know what

658
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: is hypocritical and what isn't with this Tim, Yeah, again, Dan,

659
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: this is what I run into every single year for

660
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: ten years when we vote, and I'm not quite sure

661
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: what to do every year. Yes, Bonds was a Hall

662
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: of Famer before the late nineties with three MVP. Clemens

663
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: was a Hall of Famer before the late nineties with

664
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: three Cy Young Awards. And yet my dear friend Dan

665
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Shawncey says, if you shoot thirty three on the front

666
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: nine and you cheat on the back nine, you're disqualified

667
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: for the round, which is essentially what you're saying. I'm

668
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: saying it's hard to argue with that. And yet at

669
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: the same time, this is baseball compared to golf. Golfers,

670
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: PGA tour players call strokes on themselves, where baseball players

671
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: were encouraged during that Bonds clements time to do whatever

672
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: it took to win. And there was this tacit agreement

673
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: going in Major League Baseball. No one's testing, no one's checking.

674
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: You're going to get away with this. The other guys

675
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: are doing it. So again, this is where it leads

676
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: to all sorts of confusion. But from two thousand and

677
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: five on, I see a little bit of clarity that

678
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: we were testing and checking. From then on, Alex Rodriguez,

679
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, got popped twice, as you said, so did

680
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Manny Ramirez. I think they're in a different category than

681
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: Bonds and Clement. But you can disagree with me, and

682
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: I understand why. It's just really hard to try to

683
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: put all this together. Dan. The easy way out as

684
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: to just say, if you have a connection to PDS,

685
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: you're not getting my vote, period. Yeah. The other easy

686
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: way out is to say, I don't care what you did.

687
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: If you're one of the ten best players on the ballot,

688
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to vote for you. But I think there's

689
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: nuance to it, and I think you have to look

690
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: at each case individually, and that's where it gets virtually

691
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: impossible to do this right. And also with Kurt Schilling,

692
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: Like I don't like Kurt the person, with what he

693
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: represents or his tone, but I would put him in

694
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I just I saw him perform

695
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: on the biggest stages. I didn't think he played for

696
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: great teams until he got to Arizona, and he was

697
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: he wanted the ball, he was a gamer, he was clean.

698
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: But I don't know it. Likability factors in whether it's

699
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: conscious or subconscious. Here how do you explain Schilling not

700
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: as a Hall of Famer. Well, like Bonds and Clemens,

701
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: and like Ortiz, I voted for Chilling every year. Now,

702
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: some of the things he said and done recently make

703
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable, but I'm voting on him as a baseball

704
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: player whose careers ended fifteen years ago, and his political

705
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: views today are not going to sway me from voting

706
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: for him. But again, a lot of people look at

707
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: it differently, and I totally understand that he is not

708
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: an easy case either. And he's not Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson,

709
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: Greg Maddock's great. There is some borderline there, but when

710
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: you look at the postseason, you look at the rest

711
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: of the numbers, he's a Hall of Famer. For me,

712
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: I repeat, I've voted for him every year, But the

713
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: character clause comes in for certain players. I'm just not

714
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: real comfortablyable being the moral arbitr of all these things.

715
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: But we have to be as voters these days. Explain

716
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: how Clemens and or Bonds get into the Hall of Fame. Well,

717
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: they could be on the Today's Player ballot in committee

718
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: in December. I've been on three of those committees. Dan,

719
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating process. Sixteen guys in the room, media executives,

720
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: former players, and if one really powerful person in the

721
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: room can sway the argument, that's how you can get

722
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: twelve out of sixteen votes and get in the Hall

723
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: of Fame. My experience on these committees is that the

724
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: former players and to a lesser degree the executives are

725
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: going to be harder on anyone with a connection to

726
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: PDS than the writers are. So this thought that oh,

727
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: Bonds and clements are going to go on this new

728
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: ballot in December, which I think they will, and therefore

729
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: they'll cruise through as did you know Jim Cod and

730
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Tony Oliva and Alan Trammell and Jack Morris and Harold

731
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: Bains in recent years. I just don't think it's going

732
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: to go that way because those guys don't have a

733
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: connection to PEEDS. So you better be careful what you

734
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: wish for going up against the players who are in

735
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: the Hall. I'm not sure they're going to get their vote.

736
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it's going to be very interesting.

737
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: And we always talk about well such and such didn't

738
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: test positive. Well, Sammy Sosa didn't, I mean he tested

739
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: positive for a court to bat, why is Sosa so

740
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: far down the list? Well, that's a really good question, Dan.

741
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: I think it's in part because he is a symbol

742
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: of the steroid era, fairly or unfairly. And I had

743
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: someone explained to me, I'd never thought about this. If

744
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: say he had hit fifty homers three different times instead

745
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: of sixty homers, maybe he would get a lot more support.

746
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: But I think people look at him and say, who

747
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: is the steroid era? Who's the number one symbol. I

748
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: think some people point at Sammy Sosa. If he wasn't

749
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: so during those few years, maybe he would get more votes.

750
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: But bottom line is he has a chance to go

751
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: on that ballot in December also, and it'll be really

752
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: interesting how he and Schilling and Bonds and Clemens and

753
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: maybe others do if they in there, indeed on the ballot.

754
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: L Tuve is going to be interesting when we get

755
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: to that point. But you know, he is the face

756
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: of a cheating scandal, nothing else attached to that. But

757
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: how do we look at something like that as opposed

758
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: to peeds. Well, that's a really good question. The way

759
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: I look at it is if JOSEL. Tuve has Hall

760
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: of Fame numbers. When his career is over, and I

761
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: think he will, then I would vote for jose L Tuve.

762
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: I think I'm in the minority on that. I think

763
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: people are going to look at this and say, well,

764
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: he cheated. Now are we certain that he cheated? Are

765
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: we certain that he was taking the pitches and listening

766
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: to the bang of the trash can I'm not positive

767
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: about that, and without positive proof, and I'm still not

768
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: sure if you know what's coming that automatically you're going

769
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: to hit a home run, surely it's going to help.

770
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: But I think al Twove is going to be an

771
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: interesting case when his Hall of Fame possibility comes up.

772
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: But I repeat, as of now, I would vote for

773
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: him for the Hall of Fame. It's always great to

774
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: talk to you, and congratulations again. Going into Cooperstown, this

775
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: is going to be sort of like Aaron Judge in

776
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: al Twove at second base. You and Big Poppy standing

777
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: up there at Coopers. You got to stand right next

778
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: to him right well, at some point I probably will,

779
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: but let's be clear, Dan, all kidding aside. The players

780
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: are the players and the writers are over here. So

781
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: if I stand right next to him, it's only a

782
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: physical thing, nothing more than that you get a plaque

783
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: or a bust. I think I get a plaque. I'm

784
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: not even sure. I think if I get a bust,

785
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: I'll be the only one with a bust that's actual size,

786
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: which they can do your whole body, like you're not

787
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: just your head. Great. Great to talk to you, Tim,

788
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy, Okay, Dan, see it. That's Tim Kirchen.

789
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: What I love about Tim, and there's a lot of

790
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: things to love, is that he wants to talk about

791
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: the positives in the game, like he cares about the

792
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: game and moving it forward. You know, Verducci is like

793
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: this as well, Buster, only they cover this sport. They

794
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: care about this sport. They want to move this sport forward.

795
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: And you could tell it pains Tim to get dragged

796
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: down by this because he does want to tell you

797
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: incredible stats with you know, these players. He covers it.

798
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: He loves it. He's been doing it for over forty years.

799
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: And even when I ask these questions and I can

800
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: just tell he's going to answer it and answer it honestly,

801
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: get some phone calls in here. And I do think

802
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: that Altuve is Hall of Fame worthy or will be

803
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done. But this is what

804
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: the writers sign up for. It's they have to be

805
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: the judge and jury. And it's a really difficult job.

806
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: And if you put one in, do you put the

807
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: other one in? You know, I still think that if

808
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: you get popped once, the next time, you're out of baseball. Like,

809
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's really no deterrent. And you know, a

810
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: Rod made all that money, A Rod is on the balance.

811
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: Do I think he deserves to get in. No. I

812
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: mean I'm waiting for somebody to say, well, he was

813
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer before, Well when did he start. No,

814
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: he claims that he started when he went to the

815
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: Yankees because he had to live up to the contract

816
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: that he signed. I'm like, I don't think so. Is

817
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: that a Yankee tradition, Oh, Yankee tradition. Yes, probably a

818
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: roth stats if you look at him though, like he

819
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: suffered from both steroids and the likability factor. I don't

820
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: know if it's weird because he's doing a lot of

821
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: stuff in media, he's doing a lot of stuff in business. Well,

822
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the campaign that rehab. Yes, like, hey,

823
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm part of Sunday Night Baseball and Fox postseason Shark Tank. Ye,

824
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: I will give him and his people or agents or

825
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: publicist credit. If you'd have told me when he retired

826
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: a two time steroid guy, that he'd have a number

827
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: of you know, Shark Tank and different shows, that he

828
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: would have all these things handed to him, I would

829
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: have said, no, dice way. He looks good on camera.

830
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Then he was dating j Low and I was told

831
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: by a baseball executive, you know, this is this a campaign?

832
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: This is this a red carpet campaign to get into

833
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Yeah. See, he's really interesting too

834
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: because he seems to be motivated by um, if you

835
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: hear like some of the stories about say Alexreder, he

836
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: gets wanted to know how to shake hands and stuff

837
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: like that. Right, He's that he has this motive evasion

838
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: of perfection, and it almost feels like in a way,

839
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: so he can be more likable, which makes him unlikable.

840
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like he's so focused on coming

841
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: across perfect and likable that you just don't like him

842
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: because he's not natural. Yeah, it's it just comes. It

843
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: seems so forced. Yeah. But then again, just a couple

844
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: of days ago, A Rod went to the Packers game

845
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: when it was two degrees out. He didn't sit in

846
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: the skybox, the luxury box. He's set in the stands,

847
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: and not even like Row one. He was in Row

848
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: eighteen in the cold. It was he got a lot

849
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: of cred that night. All he did, he got some

850
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: sitting outside cred. A guy like him. I was shocked

851
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: that he wasn't a sky boxybe. Nobody invited him into

852
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: a sweet That's a whole nother story. Yeah, but but

853
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: he had a Green Bay Packers hat on, and he's

854
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: the co owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves. And they're like,

855
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: what are you doing in a Green Bay game? Are

856
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: we separating people right now into sweet guys and sitting

857
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: outside guys? Oh? Well, a Rod's first ballot, sweet guy

858
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: that you would ever think of him outside? Yeah, you

859
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: can't get a tan outside in Green Bay. Who's who's

860
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: sitting outside? Let me take a break, Let me take

861
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: a break. Who's a sweet guy? You're a sweet gun.

862
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm out in the elements, guy, I'm I I'd

863
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: rather be there, just a feel of it,