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Speaker 2: Now when we talk about this person, we talk about
Speaker 2: a person who makes hits, give out hits, fifteen million
Speaker 2: sold in your face, and he don't even be liking
Speaker 2: to be in front of the public. He don't even care.
Speaker 2: He just makes hits for any reason. We are gonna
Speaker 2: give him his flowers today. He deserves it, from being
Speaker 2: in front of the camera to behind the camera to
Speaker 2: he makes your your favorite artist a better artist because
Speaker 2: he's been pinting this ship for allbody. And in case
Speaker 2: you don't know what we're talking about. My mother, Oh
Speaker 2: do you bring your mother? Listen, listen to my brother.
Speaker 2: I want to get straight to the interview, because silu man,
Speaker 2: I've been doing this, what.
Speaker 1: Ten years, about about to be ten years.
Speaker 2: So I first off, let me, let me let me
Speaker 2: pick you up for being on time. I bet against you.
Speaker 2: I bet that you would not be on time. So
Speaker 2: that's what we do. We we based it on with
Speaker 2: the artist uh order, Like we know if anybody order
Speaker 2: hey and see, it's gonna be a different interview.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We know patroll like certain things. But when you ordered
Speaker 2: as the Spade, I was like, it's gonna be smooth,
Speaker 2: that's one. But I said, he's going to show up late.
Speaker 2: But but so I I I lost on the show
Speaker 2: up lay and.
Speaker 1: We showed them and we showed up. We sucked up.
Speaker 1: So we apologize.
Speaker 2: So like I said, I was trying to point. I
Speaker 2: was trying to make I've been We've been doing this
Speaker 2: almost ten years, right, and when I go through the
Speaker 2: discovery of an artist. That's one of the thing, yo, bro,
Speaker 2: you really are hate maker? Like is that something that
Speaker 2: you you you you set out to be or that's
Speaker 2: something that just comes naturally for you.
Speaker 1: Uh. I definitely got to say I set out to
Speaker 1: be in for show. You know. In the beginning, I
Speaker 1: was like, I had this whole alias called pan Griffy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get as many hits as Bro. But somebody just
Speaker 1: told me something about it hit today and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was in the studio session. It was like, do
Speaker 1: you know why they started calling it it hit? I
Speaker 1: was like, dang, I never even thought about that. It
Speaker 1: was something that you know, hits whoever's listening to it,
Speaker 1: they was in the meeting or whatever, And I was like, Damn,
Speaker 1: I guess that's really what it is with somebody, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like somebody just feels it like
Speaker 1: it's them, you know, the resonates, you know, even if
Speaker 1: the song never really charted, you know or whatever, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Like a bunch of people in my concert
Speaker 1: singing it hit to me, you know absolutely.
Speaker 2: What's the song that you made for somebody else that
Speaker 2: you regret.
Speaker 1: That I regret for somebody else? What do you mean
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 2: Would have wanted to keep it for you, You wanted
Speaker 2: to keep it for yourself?
Speaker 1: Oh, like something that I wrote? Yeah? Uh, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't really got I don't got too many under
Speaker 1: my goat. Okay, it gave to somebody else. Okay, because
Speaker 1: for me is.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard this record, but uh
Speaker 2: uh you know Jacob give you heard that record that
Speaker 2: that used to say that dude, and I gave that
Speaker 2: ship away and I regret that.
Speaker 1: So you don't have one of those? Na Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So let's get to it. Louisville.
Speaker 2: How did how did how did because we're here we
Speaker 2: see Rich hit there? How did how did? How did
Speaker 2: that happen? How did that connection happen? I know Timberland,
Speaker 2: So how did how did this happen?
Speaker 1: My guy King King, He's from Miami, Miami based. He
Speaker 1: knew a couple of people that knew Rich and I
Speaker 1: think they was they might have been playing some video
Speaker 1: games or something. You know, they was connected, interconnected somehow.
Speaker 1: And you know, Rich called Window my music and thought
Speaker 1: I was super talented, and you know, I think I was.
Speaker 1: I was working at UPS when I first met Rich,
Speaker 1: when I first started talking to Rich, and you know,
Speaker 1: I remember they told me they was going to New
Speaker 1: York with Timbling to work on Magna Carter Holy Girl,
Speaker 1: the album. You know, they invited me up to New York.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, yeah, I want to go
Speaker 1: to New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so didn't tell you to quit your job or
Speaker 2: some ship.
Speaker 1: Like That's that was years later. Okay, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: just talked about about when I met Rich, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? But yeah, I met I met, I
Speaker 1: flew up to New York. That was my first time
Speaker 1: in New York. I was just so you met Rich first.
Speaker 1: I met Rich and this producer that he was working
Speaker 1: with and who was I think signed to Timblin after
Speaker 1: this producer. So we went up there and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he was in there. I wasn't evenly supposed to
Speaker 1: be there here. You know, he said what up to
Speaker 1: me a couple of times. I think, my boy Rich
Speaker 1: Timberland probably don't even know this, but Rich like he
Speaker 1: snuck a picture in me Timbo in the studio and
Speaker 1: I was like, he said it to me. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, Like me and Timblin like that's a big
Speaker 1: deal where you know. You know, I got back home
Speaker 1: to Louisville and he wasn't even really at that time,
Speaker 1: I didn't really have nothing to really show for us.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I really shouldn't have been in the room,
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm being honest. But anyways, I got
Speaker 1: back to Louisville and I remember posting a picture that
Speaker 1: the one that Rich sent me, and I was just like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't saying that next year is my time. More
Speaker 1: the year after that's my time. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: my time is coming. That was yeah, that was the caption,
Speaker 1: and I remember everybody was hitting me up and then
Speaker 1: once one person hit me up and was you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm going off on the deep end. Yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 1: one person hit me up and was just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta you know, we gotta. We got
Speaker 1: a contract, we got an agreement, so you can just
Speaker 1: you know, he thought I was signing to Tim with
Speaker 1: something that wasn't even the case. I was just posting
Speaker 1: a pick. So I was like, I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you saying? Like he was like, I'm saying that,
Speaker 1: like we got to figure something out. But he had
Speaker 1: previously agreed to release me from this contract he was
Speaker 1: talking about. But seeing that picture with change everything, he
Speaker 1: knew something that's about to come, you know, come from that.
Speaker 1: Even though he didn't believe in me. But at first,
Speaker 1: like after that he said that, and I was pissed.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I said, you know what, Bro,
Speaker 1: I said, I'll never make music ever again. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go work at ups and just keep
Speaker 1: doing what I was doing the first You got it, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm good, you know what I mean. You know, he
Speaker 1: was trying to see if I was bluffing. I wasn't bluffing.
Speaker 1: I was doing that for about two years, two three
Speaker 1: years or something like that. After that, you know, I
Speaker 1: hit rock bottom. I was like, I can't do this
Speaker 1: no more. Man Like, I struggling, I ain't got no money,
Speaker 1: caught up a couple of people asking asking for bread.
Speaker 1: You know, Rich used to send me bread too, you know,
Speaker 1: just stand on me out. But it was another guy,
Speaker 1: that chem dude. I was telling you, you know, I
Speaker 1: hit him up asking for some money, and he was like, bro,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get back in that studio, so
Speaker 1: you know, you know, crying and ship and I was
Speaker 1: just like, all right, you know, I'm gonna get back
Speaker 1: to the studio. Literally. The first song that I made
Speaker 1: was Stone so may you don't, yeah, don't. It was
Speaker 1: the first song I made, uh, you know, and I
Speaker 1: was sitting on there for a little bit fast forward,
Speaker 1: had it on SoundCloud. Uh you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: people was rocking with it. I was a little embarrassed
Speaker 1: about it for some reason because I hadn't did music
Speaker 1: for so long, and I fel like nobody was hit
Speaker 1: me up but talking about it. So I deleted it,
Speaker 1: and then somebody hit me up. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta put that. You gotta put that back up online.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, bet, and I did,
Speaker 1: and it sounds correct, sound sound, and it just started
Speaker 1: growing like week by week. I remember at this time,
Speaker 1: I think I got a different job at Papa John.
Speaker 1: Papa John. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was going back to my locker and I'm just
Speaker 1: like up there, you know, somebody's playing with you. You know,
Speaker 1: what's kept going on?
Speaker 2: Like thousands of ten doollars felt, yeah.
Speaker 1: What's happening? Like this is real viral and yeah for
Speaker 1: real and this is before yeah, all of that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: at that point, then I got a call from Rich again.
Speaker 1: You know, I ain't talking to Rich in a little
Speaker 1: minute at this point, but I got a call from Rich.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, Timbo won't how at you? You know,
Speaker 1: and this is the first time that I really seen
Speaker 1: Timbo show any interest in my music at all, because
Speaker 1: you had played records before, yeah, a long time ago,
Speaker 1: you know, because I heard you said you thought he
Speaker 1: didn't like it. Yeah, I would say he didn't. He
Speaker 1: probably thought I was talented. But you know, if you
Speaker 1: go back and listen to my ship from twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: you can understand why Timbland was like maybe he wasn't
Speaker 1: ready and I wasn't ready, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, development that makes perfect sense, you know.
Speaker 1: So at this point I like changed, excuse me, I
Speaker 1: changed my sound up and you know, I had something
Speaker 1: to really grind for at that point, you know, I
Speaker 1: had my daughter and everything was just different. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: too much of a sing singing, singing nas nigga, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, but just like kind of dumb
Speaker 1: it down a little bit and mix it up with
Speaker 1: a little bit of rap, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know. Anyways, got the call from Timbo and then
Speaker 1: it was like, Yo, come to come to Miami. You know,
Speaker 1: and that's that's when everything just went up.
Speaker 2: From ther Okay, so then when does Drake coming into
Speaker 2: this this pitch?
Speaker 1: I feel like every week something crazy what was happening.
Speaker 1: So I can't really one hundred percent remember, but it
Speaker 1: was definitely after the moment because like you know, you
Speaker 1: heard that story was the clips, but it was definitely
Speaker 1: after that. When I was back in Louisville now at
Speaker 1: this point, jobless, trying to figure out what I was
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 2: Do next, said put your job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 2: never he never said that, right, yeah he did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah I think you said that.
Speaker 1: He said. He never said. I think you said you
Speaker 1: called Rick. It's all good. We loved him, love it
Speaker 1: don't matter, None of that matters. It was yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So I get back to louis woar, and I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm stressed out, but the song is still climbing. People's
Speaker 1: reaching out. And then it's crazy because I always had
Speaker 1: these these wild ass manifestation dreams. And I was sleeping
Speaker 1: at a friend's house on the couch because at this
Speaker 1: point I moved out of my my girlfriend at the
Speaker 1: Times house, and uh, you know, I'm still gonna sleeping
Speaker 1: on this couch making music in the basement, trying to
Speaker 1: like just keep my SoundCloud following fans happy. So I'm
Speaker 1: just like update new ship and I think I just
Speaker 1: put out a remix to a couple of OVERO because
Speaker 1: a lot of people it was like, Yo, you need
Speaker 1: to sign over yoh blah blah blah. They were saying
Speaker 1: that one thought you was signed the over you was
Speaker 1: before anything. So they was like, Yo, it sounded like
Speaker 1: you should be a part of it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I was like, dang, I mean I
Speaker 1: really love and my everything that comes out of over YO.
Speaker 1: So I was like, it makes sense. So one day
Speaker 1: I just decided to remix uh some Ovio shit. I
Speaker 1: think Macone was signed to O YO one time. Party
Speaker 1: next Door was signed over or still signed over YO.
Speaker 1: But I remixed their songs called Don't Worry Maley remix
Speaker 1: and I posted it and went to sleep or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was probably like a little bit later after this,
Speaker 1: but I remember I had this crazy, vivid dream that
Speaker 1: I was on UK campus. You know, Drake Fun with
Speaker 1: UK basketball, So you know I'm on this campus and
Speaker 1: then you know people they like, yo, bro, you know
Speaker 1: Drake's coming in town. You know we're gonna play this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play you don't for him and I was like,
Speaker 1: for real, it was like yeah. So then they in
Speaker 1: the dream, they was like, I saw him in the huddle.
Speaker 1: Drake was over in the huddle. They all had blue
Speaker 1: jumpsuits on the ship and he was like and I
Speaker 1: was like, damn. And then I remember waking up from
Speaker 1: that dream, right, I swear to God, woke up from
Speaker 1: that dream and literally I got checked my Twitter just
Speaker 1: said Drake followed you on Twitter. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like trying to dream, no, no, no, out
Speaker 1: of the dreams, out of the dream, up out of
Speaker 1: that dream. The very next morning, like and then woke
Speaker 1: up and I saw that he followed me, and I said, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: this is this is crazy. Like I didn't even want
Speaker 1: to get into the whole fact that I just had
Speaker 1: a dream. Like I was like, Yo, this is more
Speaker 1: crazy than you think. He's like, yo, I've been working
Speaker 1: with month. We don't months. And that just my mind
Speaker 1: because it's like in my dream that he was literally
Speaker 1: saying that he didn't he didn't okay. And I had
Speaker 1: no idea that this was about the habit. It was
Speaker 1: just some crazy manifestation ship. I don't know, it's like
Speaker 1: God gave me a vision or something like. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was when.
Speaker 2: So isn't true that if had he answered to the text,
Speaker 2: you might be on over your right to this day, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what did he leave you and read and read? Oh
Speaker 2: you know, he's just busy, was just busy.
Speaker 1: Just at this time, BR's really going crazy with all
Speaker 1: the music. I'm sure he had everybody hit in his line.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that was the only thing that
Speaker 1: was keeping me from signing. Bro.
Speaker 2: Well, let's we're ready for quick Thomas. Let's go, Let's
Speaker 2: do it. Let's do it, Let's do it. You're ready
Speaker 2: for this part?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you got you gotta.
Speaker 3: Feel your sense it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but some PARTA I love this ship.
Speaker 2: But by the way, they got the hockey. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to do quick Time line first or what? Okay, okay, okay. Well,
Speaker 2: I've been trying to get you, to get you on
Speaker 2: this show, to give you your flowers, to let you
Speaker 2: know how much you mean to the industry. The industry
Speaker 2: is a better place when you make it music, when
Speaker 2: you were a part of it. So we wanted to
Speaker 2: give you a flowers face to face.
Speaker 1: Man the Man Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 2: Said, it's better than a Grammy because it comes from its.
Speaker 1: People and we want to want.
Speaker 2: To give you flowers because bro, you really are something special.
Speaker 1: You really are. You know what I love about you?
Speaker 2: Like it's a rumor that you don't just go in
Speaker 2: the studio with anybody like you have to actually feel
Speaker 2: feel it. Don't never change.
Speaker 1: I like that. You know some people would come and
Speaker 1: be like yo.
Speaker 2: You know he's like they will credit that as being
Speaker 2: like hard to.
Speaker 1: Work with or whatever, But I really don't understand why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I understand it because I'm an artist too,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But if I love the
Speaker 2: fact that money, I can tell money doesn't move you.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a time where it was it
Speaker 2: was tempted like like and you want you did something
Speaker 2: that that cost of money?
Speaker 1: You said, did something that costs money? No, no, be
Speaker 1: costs of money and you regret it is like movie
Speaker 1: nah mm hmm. Yeah. I can't think of what it
Speaker 1: is exactly those moments, but I've definitely had those moments.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the to the music and whatnot,
Speaker 1: Like you know, people especially early on stroing all types
Speaker 1: of crazy numbers that me to do to do certain songs,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, you know, I just really want to.
Speaker 1: I was just nervous a lot of times, right, you know,
Speaker 1: that was the big, the big thing. But the main
Speaker 1: reason why I don't really like being in the studio
Speaker 1: with people was like, you know, just PTSD and trauma,
Speaker 1: you know, from when I was younger. I'm being honest
Speaker 1: with you. What if I give you an example. I'm
Speaker 1: sixteen years old or seventeen, my bad recording songs, and
Speaker 1: I used to have this one guy, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say his name, but he used to record me all
Speaker 1: the time, and uh, you know, he wouldcord me an
Speaker 1: fl studio and yeah, I was just I would cut
Speaker 1: school to go to the studio, go to his crib.
Speaker 1: He was living in Louis and uh yeah, he would
Speaker 1: play play the beat and he would record me because
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do it. And then you know,
Speaker 1: he would be trolling me sometimes, like playing gunshots and
Speaker 1: while I'm.
Speaker 2: Recording whatever et and I feel like I'd be like, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make it.
Speaker 1: Bro, like you just stopped, bro, And he would be laughing.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, its just trolling me and ship.
Speaker 1: At that point, I was just like, you know what, like,
Speaker 1: can you teach me to record myself? Taught me how
Speaker 1: to record myself, and at that point, I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm just cut out the middle man. I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: do it myself. And I've been recording myself ever since.
Speaker 1: So look at the correct you make the beats.
Speaker 2: I don't make the beat. You don't make the beats, okay,
Speaker 2: but you engineered yourself. Yeah, holy Molyuakami DJ College jumped
Speaker 2: over somewhere to get your vocals.
Speaker 1: That's that's what they say. What is this story? I
Speaker 1: don't know it was. They say he was jumped over
Speaker 1: the fence, but I don't think he jumped over the fence.
Speaker 2: But I know.
Speaker 1: He would do anything. But you know, we got it done.
Speaker 1: You know the story was. You know, I remember I
Speaker 1: told him when they played me the song for wild thoughts,
Speaker 1: that's kind for us. Wild thoughts came.
Speaker 2: You didn't get to hear the Rianna versionuntil it actually
Speaker 2: came out dropped right then you had the party you got.
Speaker 1: The Party next Door version. But not only that, but
Speaker 1: the song was in the lower octave and I recorded it.
Speaker 1: I had already did my part, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and he had hit me. I knew that she was
Speaker 1: going to record it in the higher octave, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned that to him, but he's like, no, we just
Speaker 1: need it done. We needed all right. I got it done,
Speaker 1: and you know, I didn't know how he was going
Speaker 1: to figure because I know they couldn't just pitch my
Speaker 1: vocals up. So he came knocking on the day on
Speaker 1: a horrible day I was having, like they threw a
Speaker 1: surprise party for an album that I wasn't happy about
Speaker 1: show up. My lambow broke down that day, like it
Speaker 1: was just a bad day overall, and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I need it tonight album release day. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't do it tonight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody wasn't answering to answering the phone,
Speaker 1: and that's what happened. So we got to do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think you said I think arrest somewhere that you
Speaker 2: said to college.
Speaker 1: Uh, like I'm going through something. He was like, put
Speaker 1: it in music. Yeah, yeah, that was The media took
Speaker 1: that one and that thing with that one. But now
Speaker 1: what happened that was early on. If I mean, you
Speaker 1: can go back and listen to it, it was, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is that? The song with me a future on
Speaker 1: Major key album? You know what I mean, you go
Speaker 1: listen to it. What the fuck I'm saying. I'm just talking.
Speaker 1: I literally did that, and it's like I ain't trying
Speaker 1: to listen to that ship. I was just super depressed,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That didn't even what I
Speaker 1: want to make music about. You know, but like at
Speaker 1: that time, I was really going through all that ship
Speaker 1: that I was talking about on the song, and I
Speaker 1: was stressed the funk out because I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't get here to be beefing with niggas in the
Speaker 1: music industry. You know, this person saying I owe him this,
Speaker 1: or this person that literally I ain't spoke to in
Speaker 1: four years, you know what I mean talking about like yo,
Speaker 1: you oh, you know what I'm saying. It's just like
Speaker 1: it was stressful for me to deal with. I had
Speaker 1: people leaving death threats and on my car. My daughter
Speaker 1: was in there sleeping while I'm somewhere else. Had to
Speaker 1: fly back home figuring shit out. CPS called my crib
Speaker 1: coming asking my daughter inappropriate questions, like all types of
Speaker 1: shit that was making me like really be like, damn
Speaker 1: fuck the music is you know what I'm saying? Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a part of this shit
Speaker 1: at all, Like is this what like my success is
Speaker 1: making people? Do you know what I'm saying? And I
Speaker 1: remember that was a point where I once my daughter
Speaker 1: was born, I kind of like I stopped talking to everybody.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't because I knew I was gonna be
Speaker 1: famous someday or whatever. I just was like, let me
Speaker 1: see who really fuck with me for real? So like
Speaker 1: I stopped fucking people, started focusing on my job at ups,
Speaker 1: getting other jobs, and you know, there was only a
Speaker 1: couple of people that was reaching out to me rich
Speaker 1: you know, my Boye Swan you know obviously close family
Speaker 1: members and whatnot, and other than that, you know, nobody
Speaker 1: else was reaching out to me. So excuse me. Whenever
Speaker 1: the song took off, don't and then whenever I started
Speaker 1: having some success and all these people showing me love,
Speaker 1: Timblin Drake, whoever, all these people start knocking at the door,
Speaker 1: like yo, you switched up. It's just like, damn I
Speaker 1: switched up. That's crazy. That was while I blew my
Speaker 1: mind so like at that point, and then they really
Speaker 1: they really was like, nah, we gotta we gotta do
Speaker 1: something about this this guy, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: this dude who like switched up on us. So they
Speaker 1: just start pulling every trick out the you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm just like add it up. I'm like,
Speaker 1: can I just make music to be happy about it?
Speaker 1: But like the industry was just beat me up man
Speaker 1: for a long time, you know, and I just I
Speaker 1: wasn't funk with it. So that was the whole reason
Speaker 1: why I was like, he was like put it in music,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, put it into music, But like,
Speaker 1: don't nobody wanted that? But were you were you musically
Speaker 1: trained in anyway? No, No, not at all. I'm really
Speaker 1: just a studio geek at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: Like because hearing you talk about the doctors and all that, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sure most of the.
Speaker 1: People even were I don't know, just go ahead and
Speaker 1: sing that or I know a little a couple of things,
Speaker 1: you know, not for real, I'll just be in a
Speaker 1: studio like fucking with shit, and I like, I mean
Speaker 1: it's still a lot that I don't know, but like
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: You know, it was something I'll relate to you very much.
Speaker 2: It's how tough you are on yourself. Watch your second
Speaker 2: album like I you did. I'm gonna lie me hearing
Speaker 2: you talk about your second album, I'd be like, damn,
Speaker 2: I thought I was bad on myself. I actually had
Speaker 2: a line Melvin Flint dropped my whole colossal stop. I
Speaker 2: can't believe I'm fucked up and made a half assed album.
Speaker 2: My excuse is my pops just died and I ain't
Speaker 2: want to make music. My pops just died. I hated
Speaker 2: my second album, and I listened to the critics. I
Speaker 2: listened to the haters, and you're probably the only other
Speaker 2: artists in the world that I know that related to that.
Speaker 2: I was sitting there watching all your interviews and I
Speaker 2: was like, holy, somebody is just as hard on theyself.
Speaker 1: But but have you outgrown that or I want to
Speaker 1: say that there's like a bit of a common misconception
Speaker 1: because every time I see these clips, I always see
Speaker 1: some of my bands coming to my defense, like I
Speaker 1: just want him to know how good blah blah blah
Speaker 1: appreciate it, but I'm just like, yo, it's not about that.
Speaker 1: But the common misconception is this, like a lot of
Speaker 1: people think that I became depressed after my second album.
Speaker 1: It was after the first one that everybody tells me
Speaker 1: now it's such a classic, and it was like this,
Speaker 1: that and the third. It was after that win that
Speaker 1: where I was like where I was fucked up, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Trap Soul came out, and it's
Speaker 1: just because, like I said, like the fame all that,
Speaker 1: it was all new to me. So it's like when
Speaker 1: it came out and I started seeing all these critics
Speaker 1: going crazy on Trap. So that's when it made me
Speaker 1: have imposter syndrome. And I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, you know what I'm saying. I was like,
Speaker 1: I thought that I did something. It wasn't until about
Speaker 1: two years at two three years after that where people
Speaker 1: was really like, yo, this is this is a dope album.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Guess what. I had a label,
Speaker 1: I had another tour, a tour, a tour agreement that
Speaker 1: I had to fulfill. I had to drop another album
Speaker 1: and because had imposter syndrome. You know what, bro? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so it was like I didn't get time if I
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the money thing. You know,
Speaker 1: that's it, right, Okay, that's the money that I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have took at that moment because it's like the.
Speaker 2: Same exact thing with me. I'm sorry because I relate
Speaker 2: to it so much. Was they had gave me so
Speaker 2: much money, and how I'm gonna tell them not to
Speaker 2: go to the studio, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I spent the money and I was definitely using it.
Speaker 2: So I was like I had to go to the
Speaker 2: studid but it wasn't time for me, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So if you could do anything to redo
Speaker 2: the process of making that album, what would you do different?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it. I would have waited a while,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have made it. But also I was
Speaker 1: gonna say that I would have worked with writers because
Speaker 1: that was the era when everybody was like Jake with
Speaker 1: the platinum with no features, so everybody was so stuck
Speaker 1: on it, and then they was like he went platting
Speaker 1: with no features again, and I was just like, damn,
Speaker 1: like I gotta go platinum with no because you know,
Speaker 1: my first ship platinum with no features. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I guess I'm gonna go platinum with no
Speaker 1: features again. You do that twice? Did I do it twice?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's going on out here? Years later,
Speaker 1: but it happened though, you know. But anyways, I think
Speaker 1: I was so hung up on that and like I said,
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome. So like a big part of me was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, if I could go back in time, really
Speaker 1: what I would have did, I wouldn't have I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have made an album. I would have waited to see
Speaker 1: what the fun was gonna happen with my first album.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have the luxury of doing that because
Speaker 1: you know, money running dry and something like, damn, you
Speaker 1: know what am I gonna you know what I'm gonna do?
Speaker 1: So you had your kid too, right, my kid? And
Speaker 1: you know at that point there was a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I can't go back to ups.
Speaker 1: I can't go back to Papa John's right, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta do something. And that number was nice, so
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna take it, you know, I
Speaker 1: had to, and yeah, just put me. It really put
Speaker 1: me behind and you know, after and then that shit
Speaker 1: came out because, like I said, I went in my
Speaker 1: mind and then the critics went in and that just
Speaker 1: really sent me to yep.
Speaker 2: But like following you, listening to you, I can tell
Speaker 2: that you let.
Speaker 1: The critics get to you. Yeah, get to you. I
Speaker 1: did too.
Speaker 2: I did too, Like so I'm the same human being,
Speaker 2: like like, I know what's crazy. My first album, I
Speaker 2: got four and a half mics in the source right,
Speaker 2: which is a big deal. Which was a big deal,
Speaker 2: so I was supposed to celebrate that. But my second
Speaker 2: album got three mics, and I celebrated the failure of
Speaker 2: the three mics more than I celebrated the success. And
Speaker 2: I let the people get to me. But for years
Speaker 2: later it was it.
Speaker 1: Was people, you know.
Speaker 2: I would see them in the airport and they'd be like.
Speaker 1: Why the funk would you just this album?
Speaker 2: The album changed my life, and I had to sit
Speaker 2: back and I had to say, you know what, this
Speaker 2: ship wasn't about me. So that's why I asked you,
Speaker 2: did you go back to me visit that and say, like,
Speaker 2: you know, you know you you answer the question man,
Speaker 2: when you said, yeah, I can't even listen to it.
Speaker 1: You know the fans that you want me to do
Speaker 1: a couple on tours. So it's like there some of
Speaker 1: them I cans like, like the more the more popular ones,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them, I'm just like, it's the
Speaker 1: same ship with the cald song. Like when I hear
Speaker 1: the Calis song, I hear I heard my second out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm just like, this is
Speaker 1: not where I need to be. He was like, put
Speaker 1: it into the music. That was literally what I did.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even know what to make
Speaker 1: music about. And I was like, fuck it, i'ma just
Speaker 1: I guess put it in the music and talk about
Speaker 1: ship that I'm going through. And it's crazy because, like
Speaker 1: you know, I remember one time I had another one
Speaker 1: of those manifestation dreams and I was in Australia and
Speaker 1: my manager at the time was like, yo, you know,
Speaker 1: actually I skipped apart. I had a dream I'm sleeping
Speaker 1: in the in the in the bed whatever. And my
Speaker 1: dream I was in my hood, my old hood in Louisville,
Speaker 1: and they was a jet just flew down in the
Speaker 1: middle of the hood and jay Z and Beyonce got
Speaker 1: off of it, and jay Z was like, were having
Speaker 1: some dreams. He was like, Yo, what you doing here?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: I was just like I don't know, and then like
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but I ended up waking up. Right.
Speaker 1: My manager calls me, was like, Yo, you know how
Speaker 1: you say you've been looking for a mentor right, And
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, he said, Yo, jay Z won't
Speaker 1: talk to you. I was like huh and he was
Speaker 1: like yeah. I was like, okay, cool. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think Lenny s put us on the group text
Speaker 1: or whatnot. And then you know, jay Z was talking
Speaker 1: to me about my second album. He was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know, I appreciate you know, Yo,
Speaker 1: I heard when you talked about this and him just
Speaker 1: breaking down ship, and I was saying, really meant a
Speaker 1: lot to me, Like damn, that's crazy, Like you know,
Speaker 1: even though I had, you know, the second album didn't
Speaker 1: perform or whatnot, like I had, you know, jay Z
Speaker 1: pick me up on that ship to me personally, and
Speaker 1: that just made me be like you know what, fuck it,
Speaker 1: Like I just got to keep pushing forward, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: Fucking awesome, bro Thomas dream all right, so this is
Speaker 3: our drinking game We're going to give you two choices.
Speaker 3: If you pick one of the choices, we don't drink.
Speaker 3: But if you say both or neither, like we didn't
Speaker 3: want to pick anybody or whatever, then we drink.
Speaker 1: And everybody drink.
Speaker 2: I got a feeling he's gonna be want to be
Speaker 2: politically correct, and.
Speaker 1: They say, really did this anybody? We just want to
Speaker 1: bring up stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything big a story, buddy, bring it up.
Speaker 1: And and really the choice is really depending on whatever
Speaker 1: for you. It's your criteria. It's it's it's not who's
Speaker 1: better at anything specifica And then I gotta drink these
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Speaker 1: we don't make up these questions. It's the cocaine section
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Speaker 1: up these questions.
Speaker 2: So if you get mad at anybody, let's just look
Speaker 2: over there. Rich knows them both. He'll he'll send it up.
Speaker 2: This is this is this is one I enjoy saying
Speaker 2: m J or Prince.
Speaker 1: MJ. MJ. Yeah, yeah, I mean because I play video
Speaker 1: games and like I grew up with m J. You
Speaker 1: know Michael Jackson Moonwalker.
Speaker 2: So you know you got your own video game? Drop
Speaker 2: it dropped the radio.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Okay, I'm working on them. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: jodas He or one twelve. I'm gonna go one twelve.
Speaker 1: I love Joashy, but I'm gonna go one twelve though
Speaker 1: they got like different type of sauce. Chris Brown or Usher.
Speaker 1: I love Usher, but I'm gonna go see Breezing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just got talk with him too. Yeah, like we're yeah
Speaker 1: Jack Carlo or boss Man Dilo. I gotta go with
Speaker 1: the home with the home team. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I love boss Man. I gotta go with the home team. Timberlin,
Speaker 1: Ard Pharrell.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a shot for you.
Speaker 1: This one's challenging because it's like him when uh.
Speaker 2: So, I just about one in the next one, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: well I like all three. The next one, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: you go to the next you take the next one, boy,
Speaker 2: wondered Charlie.
Speaker 3: Heat Ah, that's a crazy question, man, Charlie.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Charlie, Yo, hud away, Way, I didn't pick yet, don'tkay.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking to my brother directly so hard because
Speaker 1: like Charlie, my favorite Charlie, my favorite producer ever, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because he just you know, he's
Speaker 1: my favorite producer I've ever worked because he'd just be grinding.
Speaker 1: He's always always ready to work on some new ship.
Speaker 1: You know, we try everything. You know, we didn't need
Speaker 1: a Paw Patrol song to Michael Jackson that song or
Speaker 1: a rap song like just everything Patrol. So yeah we did. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be more hyper. Yeah, tell him like that.
Speaker 1: That's me here, he'll know it. But anyways, but boy,
Speaker 1: one day, he's just somebody that's just been you know,
Speaker 1: me and him. We probably only got like two records
Speaker 1: together or some three, I don't know, but like he
Speaker 1: just super down the earth guy and probably one of
Speaker 1: my best friends in the music industry for show because
Speaker 1: he's always kept it solid. So I gotta take a shot.
Speaker 1: I'm taking a shot with you, man. Follow cheers, just.
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder And by the way, Stevie, Steve, did you
Speaker 2: see the new story that we just put out about
Speaker 2: Stevie again?
Speaker 1: We need Stevie on drinks already. Man.
Speaker 2: I think if I see Stevie, he sees me, he's
Speaker 2: gonna stop me. He's gonna stop.
Speaker 1: So we just.
Speaker 2: Deon Cole on here, and Deon Cole said that Stevie
Speaker 2: want to back this.
Speaker 1: Girl, damn, and then up the slop back like a bitch.
Speaker 2: Ste Well, I don't think Stevie gets on jokes anymore.
Speaker 2: I think Stevee's mad at us bro. I think I
Speaker 2: think I'm not sure. I'm not too many stories, man,
Speaker 2: so too many stories people.
Speaker 1: Have come on here.
Speaker 2: So the Eisley Brothers came on here said they seen
Speaker 2: Stevie j Stevie on crossing the Highway.
Speaker 3: A business street, not the Highway Man street.
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's trying on jokes for money anymore. Ahead,
Speaker 1: next one's big Stevie wonder stee.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I want to I want to ask
Speaker 2: this one Drake or Tory lanez Rake. Okay, you got
Speaker 2: records for both? He said, I got you.
Speaker 1: Got records for both. It ain't about that, you know.
Speaker 1: I love Toy. Toy is super dope artist. I think
Speaker 1: he's just amazing, you know. But I grew up with Drake.
Speaker 2: Okay, so now let me ask the more controversy question
Speaker 2: Drake Kendrick.
Speaker 1: That's easy. I mean, I love Kendrick Labar, but it's
Speaker 1: straight because of your relationship. Relationship. But it's like, I
Speaker 1: just that's the music that I've studied, Like got it,
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, makes sense? Cool?
Speaker 3: Al Green and Marvin Gaye Marvin gay Okay, Whitney Houston
Speaker 3: did you all put three in this one?
Speaker 1: They went crazy?
Speaker 3: Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey. Okay, it's the cocaine section.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get roped up one of these days. I
Speaker 1: just gonna not grab people.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Mariah Carey. Okay, I'm not answering
Speaker 2: this one. You asked that one.
Speaker 3: Uh Beyonce, Arihanna.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 5: Hm hmm, Kanye or Swiss Beats Dama, Uh let me go, yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay to speak total or s w B that's w okay.
Speaker 2: Curtis Mayfield or slod Stone.
Speaker 1: I don't know slod Stone, but I do know of
Speaker 1: Curtis Mayfield. So you're going d J Collin or DJ Drama.
Speaker 1: I love you Drama, but I gotta go with my
Speaker 1: brother Calin. So right, he climbing over the walls and gates.
Speaker 2: You should like that you gotta go with them mark
Speaker 2: uh fat Joe or Rick Ross.
Speaker 1: I gotta say fat Joe just because, like you know,
Speaker 1: I got you know, richest, one of the richest best friends.
Speaker 1: So he's just like one of the first famous people
Speaker 1: I've been around, you know what I mean? That like
Speaker 1: treating me, you know, like a human. So that's why
Speaker 1: I gotta make no noise. But we got one more. Well,
Speaker 1: they were going to send a couple more.
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's a question. Did you ever have a
Speaker 2: chance to be on a terror squad?
Speaker 1: Uh m? Was that something? Is that a quiz if
Speaker 1: you don't thinks? So? I don't think. So I mean
Speaker 1: that Joe to me don't seem like type of guys
Speaker 1: is ready to snatch up artists, like you know, even
Speaker 1: lost money. She was saying, like rich, Like you know,
Speaker 1: rich could have made money off me plenty of times
Speaker 1: and just never wanted to. Like was like, yo, I
Speaker 1: want you to be in the best possible I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I don't you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't want to just be a manager or sign you
Speaker 1: to my homie just because like I could get paid
Speaker 1: off of it. He wanted me to be in the
Speaker 1: best situation, and I have you and Joe ever worked together? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did a song. I did a song for my
Speaker 1: long time ago oh wait, and then I did another
Speaker 1: song with him and uh when he did the album
Speaker 1: with with Dre Cool with Drake, okay, work, Okay, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a shot for that.
Speaker 2: But the last one, there's a couple of more, couple
Speaker 2: more okay, dollar sign.
Speaker 1: T Paint, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Teddy Teddy
Speaker 1: Pendergrast with T Pain and applies. What you gotta join
Speaker 1: with T Paint applies? Uh yeah, I do, actually, but
Speaker 1: you know what, I just got caught up on the
Speaker 1: fact I was like Teddy Pain to say Teddy peng
Speaker 1: but I remember I heard him say that on this
Speaker 1: album was Teddy Paint. But anyways, T Paint is somebody
Speaker 1: like my uncle gave me a CD. It was an
Speaker 1: epiphany album and I was just like, love, that's my
Speaker 1: favorite T Paint album ever, even though he had so
Speaker 1: many other hits and ship. Yeah, I really studied that
Speaker 1: album a lot. T Paint like the okay Barman Hill
Speaker 1: or uh well Laurence Hill, Little Baby or the Baby.
Speaker 6: Ye damn uh do the baby baby, Hey, old babies.
Speaker 1: We can say both neither or I can say both. Yea, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I thought I had to take
Speaker 1: you both. Got to take a shot. I mean, I
Speaker 1: say both. Outcast a U g K outcasts. Shout out
Speaker 1: to bun Beato, the great guy. He's always treated me respect.
Speaker 1: Another one of those people that's like down the earth.
Speaker 2: We're doing competing this, this number, this next one a lot.
Speaker 2: I think Niles doesn't care. But I think Jada Kiss.
Speaker 1: Is going to say, that's a long time ago asking
Speaker 1: me to take this out. He's retiring. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: the wrong person asks just because like I studied mostly
Speaker 1: be growing up. I didn't start studying rap until I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, nineteen years old or something
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: either casual hip hop listener. I mean I listened to
Speaker 1: more of it now, but I would say, no.
Speaker 2: No, all right, cool, the bars are earth winning fire,
Speaker 2: Earth winning fire, Okay, all right, now this is last one.
Speaker 2: We go go back to the interview. Yeah, loyalty or respect.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I got I'm gonna go with respect. That's
Speaker 1: a crazy question. I like that I'm gonna go respect.
Speaker 1: I mean, but don't they ain't they kind of hand
Speaker 1: in hand. That's why I figure, I think, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why I want both. I want to because if you
Speaker 1: if you're not lawyer, how could you respect me? Like
Speaker 1: that's what I agree with you.
Speaker 2: So I'm yes, this is something I want to ask
Speaker 2: you personally.
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy being a part of the industry. Do
Speaker 1: I enjoy being part of the music industry? Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you don't. No, I believe you right, like nothing about it.
Speaker 1: I'm making this game brough industry, you know, Like you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as you mentioned respect, it just got me thinking, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I might get a lot of respect from
Speaker 1: like fans and you know, the consumers and whatnot out there,
Speaker 1: and then sometimes maybe not. But you know a lot
Speaker 1: of times I always really wanted to respect my peers
Speaker 1: and the ones that are like in it, like really
Speaker 1: in it, and like are still out here competing to
Speaker 1: be number one or whatever, Like I don't really ever
Speaker 1: get the respect from them. And I'm a type of
Speaker 1: person like I feel like when I came into the
Speaker 1: industry and probably still know, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that treat me like I'm a threat or something threat threat, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to think that, but like the
Speaker 1: way they treat me day to day. You know, I've
Speaker 1: been in shit ten years. There's so many people that
Speaker 1: I can name that like I've been so we celebrating
Speaker 1: ten years to try sold. Yeah, but there's so many
Speaker 1: people that I feel like I've reached out to or
Speaker 1: try to talk to or try to get a meeting
Speaker 1: with for five minutes and they just be blowing me
Speaker 1: off or treat me like I'm just like some funky
Speaker 1: ass a nigga that's trying to be around.
Speaker 2: Say that, and I could believe, Like when when I
Speaker 2: forget what interview this was, I'm for searching you and
Speaker 2: then they said the tea paining features and it was
Speaker 2: like they were saying that how they they love that
Speaker 2: you went and got teap pain implies. And then they
Speaker 2: mentioned some other artists that I'm not going to name,
Speaker 2: and then you said, well, I can't even get them
Speaker 2: on the phone, And I was just like, is that
Speaker 2: you or is that them?
Speaker 1: Right? It's still because it's like I reach out, like
Speaker 1: I like I'm a man man, and I like I
Speaker 1: like conversation. We got a problem. We gotta fight, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We got to go back and forth,
Speaker 1: like we could just as men sit down and talk
Speaker 1: about it and nobody ever got to know about it.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what the problem be. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people will be saying it's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just busy. They always put it on that. But you know,
Speaker 1: even jay Z hit me back every time I send
Speaker 1: him a message, and you know, I imagine he's one
Speaker 1: of the busy busiest I'm saying, so to see people
Speaker 1: that ain't nowhere even near that, you know, I get it.
Speaker 1: We all kings, we all got our own kingdoms, and
Speaker 1: we got people that's trying to get the Lite promise.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you got twenty people trying to
Speaker 1: get with you right now, so you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And like I respect that, but like also I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, if somebody was calling me saying, or are
Speaker 1: trying to get in touch with you, you know, he really
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. I'm gonna we're going to
Speaker 1: have a conversation. You know, we don't have a conversation
Speaker 1: or something. But like so I always felt like if
Speaker 1: I did the same thing, maybe people will give me
Speaker 1: that same respect, Like y'all, I'm trying to get into
Speaker 1: contact so we can like either talk about a record
Speaker 1: or let me show you something I'm working on, and
Speaker 1: it would just be crickets.
Speaker 2: Not even listen you, I swear to I can't imagine
Speaker 2: that ship, bro, Like, don't be a lot of I
Speaker 2: don't see artists right now not picking up into.
Speaker 1: The sword of God, like I swear it's because they're busy.
Speaker 2: Listen, I've studied you enough to know that if I
Speaker 2: bring up an artist name, you're gonna say you know nothing.
Speaker 1: So I know that. But because I care about them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't want to put
Speaker 1: them out because I know what the media is gonna do.
Speaker 1: They gonna take those in your alcohol. They're gonna a
Speaker 1: little you know what I'm saying, Like they got of context. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like shave room. They're gonna post some ship the
Speaker 1: next thing. You know, all the people are gonna be saying,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't want to do them like that.
Speaker 1: You're gonna bring that on them because I care? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you sure.
Speaker 2: Now this is me asking as a person because I
Speaker 2: know the industry and a lot of the times artists
Speaker 2: will sit right in the position that you're at and
Speaker 2: they'll say, you know how it is, right, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I do, I know how it is. But we're not
Speaker 2: speaking to me. We're speaking to this whole audience. Is
Speaker 2: it you reaching out? Is it management? Because I can't
Speaker 2: see like I'll just throw out a random name, right,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna it's not gonna be a real person.
Speaker 2: But can reaches out rights Until the reaches out the
Speaker 2: can can, it's higher, it's hollering back. I can't see that.
Speaker 2: So you do, like, especially fifteen millions so or the
Speaker 2: success that you have, I don't see nobody not picking
Speaker 2: up your phone call.
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 1: I thought that same I swear to god I saw
Speaker 1: I thought that same thing. As soon as they told me,
Speaker 1: I called like ten people to verify that that was
Speaker 1: even real. I was like, Yo, is this real? Is
Speaker 1: this true? Because if it is, I'm about to reach
Speaker 1: out to a couple of people. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean that you know that I want to talk to
Speaker 1: about my game and whatnot, reach out to them. And
Speaker 1: you know, I said them the thing that they saw
Speaker 1: me like, yo, you know, thinking like maybe that's what
Speaker 1: maybe that's what they respect, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, they don't. They might, they might
Speaker 1: not respect me, but maybe they just respect winners. So
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm winning, you know this, Maybe they're intimidated.
Speaker 1: It's sound like a win to me. Possibly. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's sounded like a win to me. So I was like,
Speaker 1: reach out to a couple of people. Still to this day,
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you no response. I was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: just I don't know, Man, yeah, I do be reaching
Speaker 1: out to him person. It's not managements to me, and
Speaker 1: you know who knows. I just feel like, if you
Speaker 1: got a problem, just hit my phone. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's whatever, it is, like, it don't matter.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like people in the industry, it's be
Speaker 1: so many beefs between artists and I just I'm for
Speaker 1: the people, you know what I mean, And I feel
Speaker 1: like the people need music and the fact that we
Speaker 1: can't collaborate, like fucking we didn't even got to collaborate
Speaker 1: on music, Like I don't even funk about that. But like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, some people look at it like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe he just want the clout, you know what. I mean,
Speaker 1: what does it do for me to do a feature
Speaker 1: with you? Like it's doing more for you than it
Speaker 1: is for me. Some people look at it like that
Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm not working him, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's what happens to me all the time. Like,
Speaker 1: so I just don't don't. That's why I don't bother
Speaker 1: collaborating with people, because like, what's the point, man? People
Speaker 1: think it's me they say, Oh, I'm like, I'm here,
Speaker 1: like at the same place.
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy? And I don't want to say, well,
Speaker 2: i've seen you that seems you were cool and shit
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting back and I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: These people think that, like you're a dick. They might
Speaker 1: think you're a dick, right because you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But I've seen you cool, calm, collective, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, do you think that's that's a room about
Speaker 2: you that you don't want to collab with people you
Speaker 2: don't want to.
Speaker 1: Be But here's the thing, Like that was when I
Speaker 1: first came into the industry, a lot of people was
Speaker 1: ringing my manager phone at the time, Yo, we want
Speaker 1: to get toll on the song and that was just
Speaker 1: like it was overwhelming because like at that time, like
Speaker 1: I didn't even have time, Like will people be like, yo,
Speaker 1: you got any think she was working on when he
Speaker 1: was working on traps. So I'm like nah, because like
Speaker 1: I had to go on tour right after that shit,
Speaker 1: and I was so fucked up about the idea that
Speaker 1: I had to be on stage in front of people
Speaker 1: for the first time that I was like, I ain't
Speaker 1: had no time to make music, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that was all I was thinking about, and and
Speaker 1: people was reaching out like yo, we need you on
Speaker 1: the song, and I was just like, I just can't
Speaker 1: do features right now now, like because I don't funk
Speaker 1: with these artists, but just because like I literally don't
Speaker 1: even have time to make music for myself, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that was the main reason. So
Speaker 1: maybe that you know, I ran into one of them artists.
Speaker 1: Actually I ain't gonna say his name, but uh like gonna
Speaker 1: say his name, but I ran into him at the
Speaker 1: Hit Factory and he was like, yeah, man, your manager
Speaker 1: told me you ain't trying to speak with people, man
Speaker 1: laying man about you. I said, I'm here right now
Speaker 1: and something. Yeah, I think I played him some ship
Speaker 1: and he was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: like he put a verse on that bitch and it
Speaker 1: came out like a week or two later.
Speaker 2: But let me, let me, let me, let me give
Speaker 2: you a problem. Let me just let you know. I've
Speaker 2: been in this music business after Trap Soul. You changed
Speaker 2: the whole game. I don't tell you, okay, said.
Speaker 1: You changed the whole game? Is no, no, no, I.
Speaker 2: Figure out because I know I can feel that your humbleness.
Speaker 2: But like the way music is made now has changed
Speaker 2: since Trap so and it's celebrating ten years. Correct, Yeah
Speaker 2: you're going to take a shot for that. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, come on.
Speaker 1: I got do you do you realize what Trap Soul
Speaker 1: did to the people. Always let it to me, and
Speaker 1: I don't never hear it or see it. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, You're just too humble, man, I just
Speaker 1: don't see it. Like I'm just being honest, Like I hear,
Speaker 1: like I don't hear what they hear. Maybe they hear it,
Speaker 1: but like for me, I just hear people making music.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's all right?
Speaker 2: Well, well well and I've seen an interview where they
Speaker 2: asked you about this and they say that you actually
Speaker 2: have babies out there. People follow exactly Trap Soul and
Speaker 2: I know you don't want to claim it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was talking to some of my homies at
Speaker 1: OVO at this party one time and prayings.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they was.
Speaker 4: They was pissed at me because I was like, the
Speaker 4: say yo, such and such as a song of the.
Speaker 2: Story they said at the club, at the club and
Speaker 2: come on at the club.
Speaker 1: I was like, bron, I was like, nah, they're not
Speaker 1: my son, but you didn't like the fact that they
Speaker 1: was calling the son. Yeah, I don't like that. I
Speaker 1: don't like because anytime I heard sons and him, it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what I mean, the way rappers,
Speaker 1: you's like, Yo, this so and so is my son,
Speaker 1: and it's always some ship that's putting them down in
Speaker 1: the wraps New York. Not always.
Speaker 3: You got to you gotta tell me the time, just
Speaker 3: say like I'm the O G and they coming up
Speaker 3: behind me.
Speaker 1: That's really I guess I get it. When he explained
Speaker 1: it to the collect Okay, I get it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, But I you know, I just don't
Speaker 1: ever want an artist to feel like I'm they daddy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I get that. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying like I never want that. Like you just inspired
Speaker 1: by me, you know what I'm saying. You took you know,
Speaker 1: a page out of my book, study my you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna make it your own. You know, they say
Speaker 1: a thief stials with a genius borrows, and you know
Speaker 1: for the artists that do that, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool. I get the whole You got some babies
Speaker 1: out there, I get it. No, it's the truth. It's
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, uh me personally, you know,
Speaker 2: Sorry to keep twisting it to me, but there was
Speaker 2: a whole genre after I worked with Pharrell, Like people
Speaker 2: didn't want to work with Pharrell, and then people just
Speaker 2: follow that that thing. And that's why it reminds me
Speaker 2: of trap soul with you is because after that people
Speaker 2: followed you and they mimicked and they made music exactly
Speaker 2: sounding like you. And I know you humble enough not
Speaker 2: to be like fuck them, Oh that's my son. You
Speaker 2: ain't claiming that shit at all, but but you do
Speaker 2: recognize people are following you.
Speaker 1: I don't recognize that. Nah. I mean I've seen people
Speaker 1: come out with albums called trap soul and like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or went out or they'll tell
Speaker 1: me that they like I'm their favorite artist and they'll
Speaker 1: make music. I have just seen that.
Speaker 3: But like you know, you can say it differently. You
Speaker 3: inspired a movement is probably a better yeah way to
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but like noah, I don't really I don't
Speaker 1: really see it.
Speaker 2: So if if let me let me so, let me
Speaker 2: ask you a question, God comes down to Earth, h price,
Speaker 2: You're gonna make one record to save humanity, get one
Speaker 2: feature and one producer.
Speaker 1: Who you calling dahm. One feature and if you want
Speaker 1: to make it easier for you that a uh, okay
Speaker 1: do I get to do? I get as many chances
Speaker 1: with that. Let's say this feature does a hundred can
Speaker 1: they do a hundred verses until I get it right?
Speaker 4: But the producer might not get it right. I might
Speaker 4: not get it right, like I just want to try.
Speaker 1: I'm probably I'm gonna go with my boy Charlie Heat
Speaker 1: for sure, so just because I believe in them so much.
Speaker 1: And then as the feature, uh, and I get to
Speaker 1: like vocal produce everything, Like I get to really craft
Speaker 1: this ship together. Save a minute. I'm going with Drake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see it what you said. You you've vocal
Speaker 1: produced him. No, not ever vo Okay, but like if
Speaker 1: I could like be like yo, now we gotta do
Speaker 1: it like this and you know what I'm saying and
Speaker 1: really be a part of our our go with bro.
Speaker 2: Is there anybody like you know, we got these collab albums.
Speaker 1: That's like being popular.
Speaker 2: Now, what is there anybody you will do a collab
Speaker 2: album with a Yeah, there was a bunch of people.
Speaker 2: I'll do one with Future for sure. I really love Future,
Speaker 2: like pick up the Future. I just seen him another day.
Speaker 2: We squashed it. We had a little first and we
Speaker 2: squashed it and I told him I'm sorry for my bad.
Speaker 1: Part's not even doing.
Speaker 2: Talk about the good part, and thank you Future because
Speaker 2: he was actually right and you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: thick him up. But that's what you in Future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to do some Future just because,
Speaker 1: like you know, Future, you got the melodies for show.
Speaker 1: You definitely got through caduses and like you know, I
Speaker 1: understand like rap music. I study his catalog for a
Speaker 1: long time. You know, if it's for him. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: There's so much shit that I just would have never made,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I feel like we
Speaker 1: would make some some real dope ship, not just for
Speaker 1: the ladies, but just for the fellas who love ladies.
Speaker 1: So what do you love more? Rapping? Or I mean,
Speaker 1: R and B is my first love. But I always
Speaker 1: say we're rapping. I can I can say more, you know, singing.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's a lot more slow, slow paced,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, we're rapping. I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: like a million words that I could say in sixteen
Speaker 1: bars versus was the moment you decided I want to
Speaker 1: start with? I started rapping because of who gotta started
Speaker 1: rapping because I got a credit c B as a
Speaker 1: person that made me want to start rapping. But also
Speaker 1: there another CB.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's the person that made me want.
Speaker 1: You can relate to him because he was a singer
Speaker 1: like for me, like I was like, yeah, I really
Speaker 1: want to really really really rap. And I feel like
Speaker 1: even y'all, I ain't never heard me really really rap,
Speaker 1: and I could play out you got a double album.
Speaker 1: The double album, I was like, he could you can
Speaker 1: listen to Minny Kelly, you know on vices you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and hear me spit and whatnot, But
Speaker 1: I got some other songs and whatnot where it's like,
Speaker 1: I think that's the hardest part about being me, like
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, I really don't feel like
Speaker 1: there's as it's like a catch twenty two almost because
Speaker 1: it's not a It's not a singer out there that
Speaker 1: can rap better than me, and there's not a rapper
Speaker 1: that could sing better than me. So it's like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: but where do I fit in in this industry? But
Speaker 1: to answer your question, I probably yeah, I mean singamore
Speaker 1: and who made me want to rap? Or when did
Speaker 1: I start taking rap? Seriously, there was a reverse that
Speaker 1: Jay V did on a song called Click and I
Speaker 1: remember you know for a long time, Wayne was my
Speaker 1: favorite rapper for a long time. Way I got to say,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I forgot bro He the main person
Speaker 1: that made me want to rapt. Way yeah, A little wait,
Speaker 1: but then Broa when I think when you stuff, when
Speaker 1: I seen be doing it, I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I should try to fuck it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I start trying and and but you know,
Speaker 1: I was never really that good at it, Like you
Speaker 1: go back to my twenty eleven twenty ten shit, I
Speaker 1: wasn't that good at it. And then I heard people
Speaker 1: used to always say jay Z was the best for
Speaker 1: best rapper to ever do it, and for me, I
Speaker 1: never really understood it because and then I heard him
Speaker 1: say someone times like yo, people just ain't listening so
Speaker 1: they can't catch up to what I'm saying, something like that.
Speaker 1: And then one day, you know, I just heard, like
Speaker 1: you know, it was just like mumbo jumbo. You know,
Speaker 1: for me as a person who didn't really listen to
Speaker 1: rap music, but Wayne somehow connected to me. But one
Speaker 1: day on the way to work ups this click versus playing,
Speaker 1: and then he said everything he said on that verse,
Speaker 1: and I said, yo, I just get it.
Speaker 4: It was like an awakening. I was like, yo, I
Speaker 4: fucking get it. Jay Z is the best. I was like, yo,
Speaker 4: hold up. I was like, let me go back, let
Speaker 4: me listen to all this man ship. Then I started listening.
Speaker 4: I started understanding. I don't know if I got smarter
Speaker 4: or what.
Speaker 1: I got smarter than I finally started understanding what bro
Speaker 1: was saying. But like I started because I really appreciate words,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he really is a
Speaker 1: worsmith for real. So like I started listening to everything
Speaker 1: he was saying. I was like, yeah, I gotta get
Speaker 1: better at rapping for sure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then shit, that's kind of.
Speaker 2: Jay Z's first album. I didn't I didn't even get it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't getting money at the time. Then I started
Speaker 2: getting money.
Speaker 1: I was like, you couldn't relate.
Speaker 3: You couldn't relate to that some money.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, all right, I've been looking at your wrists
Speaker 2: this whole time. I'm a watch cornoisur holds of VVS diamonds.
Speaker 2: That is a very beautiful watch. What is that?
Speaker 1: Uh? This is a rich Can you help me out here?
Speaker 1: It's just ibby right coat? Can you show it to
Speaker 1: the camera?
Speaker 2: Plan holy ship, it's it's blinding people, it's lying.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna I stick out some braze bowl dust
Speaker 1: on it. I ain't clean this one. It looks it
Speaker 1: looks band appreciate it. I only got it because, I
Speaker 1: mean because of the tour and ship. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I ain't got no background dancers, none
Speaker 1: of that. So I was like, I need sometime some dancing.
Speaker 7: You know, I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2: That no bad his his risk is his background. Dann
Speaker 2: sas motherfucker believe that. Holy moly moly, your dad is
Speaker 2: a beautiful beautiful Are you in the watchers?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Not really, not really, No, you're not You're not in
Speaker 2: the ship.
Speaker 1: I only got it, not really.
Speaker 2: Shot for you, just yo. But yo, I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: lie to you. I admire that for you, like the
Speaker 2: fact that the industry hasn't you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like I see your motherfucker into this industry and the
Speaker 2: way they come pause, the way they enter, and the
Speaker 2: way they consumed you. It's too different. You ain't let
Speaker 2: it affect you. You didn't let it make you a
Speaker 2: bad person. Trust me, I've saw it all. Thank you,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna take a shot to you being human.
Speaker 2: Thank you, bro, appreciate that's real ship human. That's a
Speaker 2: crazy pause though, you know that, you know what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say, like, yes, thank you, thank you for
Speaker 2: correcting what he paused me.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: But you have no idea how many people you see
Speaker 2: coming up pause and when when.
Speaker 1: When it's time for them to you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And that's when they want to be humble, that's when
Speaker 2: they want to be cool people.
Speaker 1: And then no one takes their call. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but boy when they there, homie, God, I tell
Speaker 2: them I'm there. I've been here twenty five years.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay here. You might not. I gat me more.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I went. I went. No, but for real, man,
Speaker 2: like yo yo. I watched Rory and Maul your interview
Speaker 2: and Rory just called me as funny as hell. And
Speaker 2: Ory said that the time that he went to your show,
Speaker 2: it was the most females he ever seen.
Speaker 1: In New York City. Come out, maybe you gotta it's
Speaker 1: a breezy bubble, of course, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: With me.
Speaker 1: I mean, but like they're there for the you know, no,
Speaker 1: they said this is your show, Chris Brown about show?
Speaker 1: It was your show? Yeah, come on.
Speaker 2: Rory said that he went to your show at Webster
Speaker 2: Hall and it was the most females in New York
Speaker 2: City that he ever saw.
Speaker 1: Did you know that? I mean he said it to you, Yes,
Speaker 1: he said it to you. You know, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: no is that is that something? Does that make you
Speaker 1: a sex symbol? Nah? Definitely not. Do you think you're
Speaker 1: a sex symbol? No? When you make sexy fucking music, right,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, man, I appreciate that. No, I'm just nerve.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: Let's just be chilling. That was a whole gamer man,
Speaker 1: I just be chilling, like you know, the girls are
Speaker 1: like me, like me and the girls who don't you
Speaker 1: know whatever. I just make music and you know for
Speaker 1: people who you know love women, and I appreciate women
Speaker 1: a lot, so you know you don't think the new
Speaker 1: Definitely not. I'll be sure none of those. I'm just
Speaker 1: a guy who's uh, I'm just I'm just a guy
Speaker 1: who's in the house. Break.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a shot for you, man, because I
Speaker 2: wanted to give you your flowers.
Speaker 1: Solo, Solo should go take a shot. I don't want to,
Speaker 1: and I just want to say something real quick. That's one.
Speaker 1: Everybody didn't know that. I just ran in New York City,
Speaker 1: motherfucking marriga.
Speaker 2: I think this is no other artists. I would have
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 1: For a pause, stop that ship, bro, but I would
Speaker 1: have been in bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they said I appreciate you got right, and
Speaker 2: I'm coming off he came shimmering. He was like, yeah
Speaker 2: for you, motherfucker because you and the motherfucker. So is
Speaker 2: there anything that you felt like you didn't do in
Speaker 2: the industry that you is this something that you want
Speaker 2: to get an accomplished.
Speaker 1: I ain't really collaborated with all the people that I
Speaker 1: would have loved to collaborate. I won't name the names,
Speaker 1: but like, I really love but let's go it out
Speaker 1: there in a positive way. YEA, Yeah, Well I love artists,
Speaker 1: I love people that create. I appreciate icons. I appreciate
Speaker 1: people who you know, it's not easy to bring people
Speaker 1: out to your shows. You know, a thousand people, five
Speaker 1: thousand people, ten thousand people that some people doing fifty
Speaker 1: thousand and six the Bridge Bowl's crazy. So it's like
Speaker 1: anybody that can do that, like, I appreciate them, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you know, there's so many
Speaker 1: people that I would just have loved to work with,
Speaker 1: not because I feel like it could do something for me,
Speaker 1: or like it's gonna bring me more money or more fans,
Speaker 1: or like I get a chance to shit on them
Speaker 1: on the song and sang better than them, or rap
Speaker 1: better than them. But just because we get to make
Speaker 1: something create people to you know, to just enjoy and
Speaker 1: live with for their life, you know. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the industry that I really never
Speaker 1: got the chance to like sit in the studio and
Speaker 1: chop it up with and be like yo, whatever and
Speaker 1: then we make a song. You know. I used to
Speaker 1: think that that's how the music industry was, like, you know,
Speaker 1: because in high school, I wasn't really the cool guy,
Speaker 1: so you know, but I was really fucking good at music.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, that made me cool.
Speaker 1: So whenever I started looking at the music industry, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, ship, when I get a music industry,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like I'm meeting all my my people.
Speaker 1: This is my table right here, like all the people
Speaker 1: in high school that wasn't you know, I had no
Speaker 1: table there, like this is my table. And then I
Speaker 1: got there and it just was like more tables, a
Speaker 1: lot of tables. I was like, my damn, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, holy shit. Uh so that's
Speaker 1: probably the one thing that I haven't done. But want
Speaker 1: me throw a couple of features that I think I
Speaker 1: would like I love shot that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: she that would come out the you know, she don't
Speaker 1: come out, but but I would. I would do that.
Speaker 1: I would do that. Who's producing that I would? I
Speaker 1: mean probably probably Charlie, but I would let her do.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, shot that, What do you need
Speaker 1: me to do? Like if it's just an ad lib?
Speaker 1: If I just got to sing in a lower octave
Speaker 1: under you and I don't even get no shine in
Speaker 1: time like no verse, you just sing it back up?
Speaker 1: I don't get it damn. You know, like I'm doing
Speaker 1: that taking a shot for that took still on? How
Speaker 1: about a joint with Josh? Yeah, I do that. I
Speaker 1: want I want them to push me to be a
Speaker 1: better singer for sure, you know, so I would. I
Speaker 1: would try to do some ship that I've never done before.
Speaker 2: Now up, up, who is somebody you would want to
Speaker 2: write for? C? B.
Speaker 1: Drake? Those are people always named for, I mean, name
Speaker 1: a lot of female artists. You know, I haven't really
Speaker 1: gotten into my songwriting bag so like to be honest,
Speaker 1: like it's hard for me to really to say, but
Speaker 1: those will be the people that come to mind, like
Speaker 1: right away, and honestly newer artists who you know, don't
Speaker 1: have nothing at all, like let me, let me, let
Speaker 1: me write from ship for you, Like if there's somebody
Speaker 1: out there, honestly, another thing is like FIRS, a rapper
Speaker 1: with a really really really really good rapping voice, I
Speaker 1: would write for them just because, like the thing that
Speaker 1: about me is like the fact that I'm a singer.
Speaker 1: You know, people will never in a million years ever
Speaker 1: take me serious as a rapper. It's just how it goes.
Speaker 1: When you sing really good or whatever, you make really
Speaker 1: good R and B songs and then you rap, They're
Speaker 1: just gonna be like you're trying to rap. Even if
Speaker 1: you rap than anybody else, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It's just like nah, you're trying to blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: or like I don't like when you rap whatever. So
Speaker 1: I would take all my raps and I would give
Speaker 1: it to somebody who has that rapper you know, rapper
Speaker 1: voice and that rapper energy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You think like one time I came outside, right, I
Speaker 2: was in Puerto Rico, in fact, I'm going to Puerto
Speaker 2: Rico tonight, and the dude bumped into me.
Speaker 1: And he sung me my song. Guys, he was this
Speaker 1: is me as he was this singer. Yeah, he was like.
Speaker 2: I looked at it and it's awesome to me. But
Speaker 2: I looked at this guy and I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: and I knew that record is bigger than me, but
Speaker 2: he knew it was you, right, hell no, oh that's
Speaker 2: even hell know, like the video wasn't really out.
Speaker 1: Like that, like you know what I mean, like Puerto Rican.
Speaker 2: Maybe he thought she looked like the video wasn't out yet,
Speaker 2: so he's no, it's he just really wanted to beef
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: And want to be for him that song in his head.
Speaker 2: Do you like, do you think that music sometimes superseds
Speaker 2: a person's image?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. I'm one of those people. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many people that be like I never knew
Speaker 1: what you looked like. There'd be some people that be
Speaker 1: trying so hard to.
Speaker 2: Not know what I look like because you're like you're
Speaker 2: like you're like hip hop's clark In. Yeah, you get
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say, Like you can put on
Speaker 2: your cape when you go perform, but then you can
Speaker 2: take it off and you go and be ship. And
Speaker 2: I said, I seen you in a restaurant.
Speaker 1: He was mad.
Speaker 2: I was think, you ain't loading. But what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is that's fucking that's genius. Yeah, that's genius that you
Speaker 2: can do. Do you feel like, because this is a
Speaker 2: very hard question, do you even like being famous?
Speaker 1: Nah? I was just talking to somebody about this earlier.
Speaker 2: Nah, just because I mean, it definitely has this perks,
Speaker 2: you know, but like you don't want to wait and
Speaker 2: there's a couple of lines in the restaurant. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what I was gonna say, Like I get to skip
Speaker 2: up people the apple.
Speaker 1: I guess that's okay, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: that's the one thing, and the other thing is like,
Speaker 1: you know, you still get to use your fame to
Speaker 1: get money later on in life, you know, m And
Speaker 1: that's cool. But other than that, what other perks doesn't
Speaker 1: really have to being famous? You know? And bro, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, I've never been, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. In the first year when I came out,
Speaker 1: like it was cool to see people knowing who I was,
Speaker 1: but mainly because I love music so much and the
Speaker 1: fact that people knew my music and they see me
Speaker 1: on the street, it was different. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, Ship, like people recognize me. But
Speaker 1: like after a while, I was like, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't care to be famous at all. Like you're different.
Speaker 1: I want to walk around like I don't give a
Speaker 1: funk about Like I'll be the nigga waiting outside in
Speaker 1: the line to get in the club if I have to,
Speaker 1: like I'll be trying to skip line and ship like
Speaker 1: I be chilling, you know, and I'm just.
Speaker 2: Look, Josey, you have a question, you have any questions
Speaker 2: you want to This is your biggest.
Speaker 1: Fan, you know. That's that's good. We got a song.
Speaker 1: We got a song. Let's repeat?
Speaker 3: What is.
Speaker 1: Okay? Yes? Yeah, shout out to Caroline. Man, we've been
Speaker 1: friends for a long time. You know, we both kind
Speaker 1: of came into the music industry somewhere around the same time.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, we got we got, we got, we
Speaker 1: got a song together. You know, we always just been
Speaker 1: you know, real friends. So like, you know, we never
Speaker 1: forced the music. We do have something. I think it
Speaker 1: might be coming out. I don't know, so yeah, yeah, Ship,
Speaker 1: I'm taking a shot for that. I'm sorry, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what what what is I know?
Speaker 2: I asked this earlier, so my access him reverse because
Speaker 2: I asked alive and you picked Drake and you picked
Speaker 2: So Now I was like, what would be your dream
Speaker 2: collab of a person that's passed away? Who would you
Speaker 2: Who would you dig up from the grave?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That has to be music, right, No, I mean,
Speaker 1: go ahead, pick anybody. Now that's direction because like I
Speaker 1: love I swear to god, I love music so much,
Speaker 1: but like not to the point where I wanted to
Speaker 1: think him up out of the grave. Okay, grave, Like, man,
Speaker 1: I wish I wish you could have did a song
Speaker 1: like I don't think I like, I don't think I
Speaker 1: cared that much about music. But if there's somebody I
Speaker 1: was like, I just wish I could have picked their
Speaker 1: brain and just talk to them and tell them to
Speaker 1: tell them about my ideas. Be Steve Jobs. For sure,
Speaker 1: I didn't expect that, but I didn't. I'm really really
Speaker 1: curious about just like what was going on? Is oude
Speaker 1: of his mind? You know I'm mistaking about.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you this, speaking of Steve Jobs,
Speaker 2: do you respect streaming?
Speaker 1: Streaming? Yeah, well, I gotta say streaming is the main
Speaker 1: reason why I'm the highest certified R and B song.
Speaker 2: So, like I remember at one point people were mad
Speaker 2: at you for keeping loading up a sound Clouds. They
Speaker 2: wanted you to stay on Apple, they wanted you to
Speaker 2: be pe. You kept you kept going back to sound
Speaker 2: even Soundclouds still streaming. Yeah, it's almost like free though,
Speaker 2: like Geff free, and a lot of people don't really
Speaker 2: I mean sorry SoundCloud, but there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: That don't have it, you know. I mean they're going
Speaker 1: to Spotify, They're going to Yeah, that platform is not
Speaker 1: used as much as it. Yeah, but I gotta you know,
Speaker 1: a soft spot a special place in my heart for
Speaker 1: SoundCloud because for one reason, and one reason only really
Speaker 1: is just because it's just lip not just that too
Speaker 1: thousand percent. And in this instant, like when I'm feeling
Speaker 1: something like and I love what I'm doing, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta drop this tonight, right. You can control when
Speaker 1: that compit? Yeah, I can drop. I can litle go
Speaker 1: on my computer. That that is, that is that is
Speaker 1: I can't do that way for music. I can't do
Speaker 1: that with Spotify. I got a call this person and
Speaker 1: that's the second for the Yeah, and as an artist,
Speaker 1: I ain't really trying to do all that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like if I'm just feeling something, you know,
Speaker 1: fans like, we want music, we want music, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I feel like SoundCloud is the easiest way.
Speaker 1: But you know, so a lot of times when I
Speaker 1: did that, they would be pissed because they're like, why
Speaker 1: are you still dropping on SoundCloud? Like you know you're
Speaker 1: getting free music?
Speaker 3: What do you mean about a lot of artists came
Speaker 3: out for SoundCloud, but there was a whole generation of
Speaker 3: art discovered.
Speaker 1: I believe he's king. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, you got to give
Speaker 1: SoundCloud his credit? Yeah, yeah, we will. And it was
Speaker 1: another time.
Speaker 2: You posted a picture online with your girl, people were
Speaker 2: mad at you that you.
Speaker 1: Were happy that happened. Yeah, what the fuck is this? So?
Speaker 2: Is it true that they want they want you guys
Speaker 2: to be sad to make a thousands. They think that
Speaker 2: you have to be sad to make good. The reason
Speaker 2: why they were I just know they wanted you to
Speaker 2: they want me to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They would always tell my girl, like, you know, break
Speaker 1: his heart so we can get into love. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: kind a terrible fan. Is that?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: This is horrible. It's hard. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you do you believe that that you have to
Speaker 2: go through pain to make your music?
Speaker 1: No, that's not the case at all, because a lot
Speaker 1: of people are like, yo, Trap, So he was heartbroken.
Speaker 1: It's just like, how do you How would y'all know
Speaker 1: that I'm heartbroken? You know what I mean? Nobody knew
Speaker 1: what I was going on, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: spoil the magic for nobody. I'm not going to y'all
Speaker 1: who Trap Soul was about.
Speaker 2: Who.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I don't even want to ruin it
Speaker 1: for people, So like, think whatever you think. But like,
Speaker 1: you know, I definitely wasn't heartbroken. You know. It's just
Speaker 1: like as humans, we have we have our days, you know,
Speaker 1: we go we go through specific things. One day we
Speaker 1: might be feeling this way, you know, and like when
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a certain way, I wrote about it. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling happy and I'm feeling good, like I'm about
Speaker 1: to make it and like all my ex is gonna
Speaker 1: be calling I made this song. Sorry, not sorry, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it was like it was
Speaker 1: different emotions, you know, that I was feeling so well
Speaker 1: for people to be like, you know, yeah, break his
Speaker 1: heart so we can get a new album. Like bro,
Speaker 1: I just you know, it's not my job, you know,
Speaker 1: like y'all need therapist, yeah, for real life or like
Speaker 1: you know, I mean even my my Solid, the album
Speaker 1: that I just released was the first time since Trap,
Speaker 1: so I was like, you know, what the fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be super vulnerable, you know, and talk about
Speaker 1: like some of my hard times and what I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm going through, so so people can just relate to it,
Speaker 1: because I know that sometimes people need to hear other
Speaker 1: people talk about their feelings so they could feel comfortable
Speaker 1: to talk about theirs or you know, like they need
Speaker 1: something that's gonna help them heal and to heal me ship.
Speaker 1: Like I was listening to the you know, my last
Speaker 1: album Solid on the on the treademill a lot. But
Speaker 1: I still think it's fucked up that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: people would just you know, I think they do that
Speaker 1: to Ryle Wave too. They're like, yo, make sad music again.
Speaker 1: It's just like he he ain't or not, like he
Speaker 1: don't want to do sad kind of do it to
Speaker 1: Oi y'all. It kind of went y'all side yeah, but
Speaker 1: like that's like you got you got some other issues
Speaker 1: you gotta work out. There's so many other songs music
Speaker 1: that you can listen to. That's like for me personally,
Speaker 1: like I'm not listening to those sad music to help
Speaker 1: me get through my sadness. Like so see me personally,
Speaker 1: like I'm not. That's not like I think I was
Speaker 1: listening to Latin music the entire time I was heartbroken.
Speaker 1: I was listening to nothing but Latin music because I
Speaker 1: didn't understand none of the lyrics and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, it sound like music and they happy
Speaker 1: and talk about exactly. I'm just like, yo, this is
Speaker 1: what I'm rocking, you know what I mean, just because
Speaker 1: like I don't want to hear nothing that's gonna put
Speaker 1: me deeper in that, you know, Like yeah, like I
Speaker 1: don't know. So I hate that, I really do, But
Speaker 1: at this point it don't matter to me no more.
Speaker 1: They can say whatever they want, make this type of music,
Speaker 1: make that type music. I'm going to make whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck I feel like making.
Speaker 2: You know, so, you're one of the only artists that
Speaker 2: dropped the double album, and like this era.
Speaker 1: Oh for real? Yeah, what do you mean this era?
Speaker 2: Like I believe the last time a double album was
Speaker 2: Biggie and Tupac.
Speaker 1: No, no, no Scorpion. Oh it's a double goddamn it?
Speaker 1: My bad? Yeah, all right, my bad.
Speaker 2: You know, niggas I recognized dropping a double album.
Speaker 1: I would say that this might be. I mean, now,
Speaker 1: I got to say that Bruh's album was a true
Speaker 1: double album too, though, because he did like arm mostly
Speaker 1: like R and B feels and shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Rap on right, Okay to me, let me make my
Speaker 2: question make more sense us knowing that you being the writer,
Speaker 2: like we want to get paid for like eight to
Speaker 2: ten songs when you do that double album, that double
Speaker 2: album is basically that second album is basically a giveaway?
Speaker 2: Did you honestly you knew that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Shut out? Shut out my manager, man, you found out
Speaker 1: talking a lot about this. But like, I don't be
Speaker 1: doing it for that reason. Man. I think what I
Speaker 1: was going through with Solace and Ship, it was so
Speaker 1: sad that I was like, bro, I just want to
Speaker 1: have fun. I ain't trying to think about all the
Speaker 1: other ship And the main reason I did, I decided
Speaker 1: to make it a double album. Solace was supposed to
Speaker 1: be his own thing, and then the Vices was like,
Speaker 1: you know when I dropped whatever She Wants or whatever
Speaker 1: that came out and it was going crazy. I was like,
Speaker 1: whatever he wants, God damn it. Man, like up that record.
Speaker 2: Every time a person gets into an argument with the girl,
Speaker 2: they girl plays whatever.
Speaker 1: See it's cool to you man ahead, but nah, So
Speaker 1: when I had that song, it was going crazy. I
Speaker 1: had my last album, which is called it was the
Speaker 1: Bright until album was self titled, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it was like mostly like a bunch of R and
Speaker 1: B shit, and I was like, yo, I was sitting
Speaker 1: on the four minute. I was like, Yo, let's pivot,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's do it like an album that
Speaker 1: feels like this, that's catered to the women, that's fun,
Speaker 1: just flying vibe, you know what I mean. And you know,
Speaker 1: they was like, nah, we should just you know, we
Speaker 1: should just put it as a bonus on this album.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was a little upset about that
Speaker 1: because I was like, I guess we can do that,
Speaker 1: you know. So we ended up putting it as a
Speaker 1: bonus on the album, and you know, it just sucks
Speaker 1: because it's like it's the most popular, it's the most
Speaker 1: stream song on that album, and like, you know, even
Speaker 1: I feel like even Quincy Jones would listen to the
Speaker 1: album maybe, like nah, this ain't the best song on
Speaker 1: the album, you know what I mean? This is lod
Speaker 1: whatever she wants, whatever the fuck I'm talking about, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But that's other songs like Prize
Speaker 1: on there or like just I won't even get into it,
Speaker 1: but that's songs where I'm really singing, I'm putting a
Speaker 1: lot of armonies in Charlie Heat really doing his thing,
Speaker 1: and like they all got overshadowed and overlooked because people
Speaker 1: is looking for whatever she wants. They're like, Yo, where's
Speaker 1: that where's that energy at? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to do that, but you know, people
Speaker 1: you know labels like nah, So you.
Speaker 2: Think you are like a victim of your own success,
Speaker 2: because now I'm gonna give you an example, right and
Speaker 2: then I know you went through this, so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just say it. When I did what what What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Then I came out with oh no, right after that,
Speaker 2: it was the same exact thing, and they compared it to.
Speaker 1: That don't was so huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that they kept comparing you know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: like that, it's not don't, but it's it's good. Do
Speaker 2: you do you feel like you're victim of your own
Speaker 2: success like that? Oh no, uh, because everywhere they say
Speaker 2: the compared to your last head, they always compare to see.
Speaker 1: Your last Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean, That's what I'm That's what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: Well, fortunately for me, don't wasn't my last head, you
Speaker 1: know what mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, like yeah, I've heard people say make another don't,
Speaker 1: But like I've always been the type of artist that, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make the same song. And there's
Speaker 1: people out there that will argue, like all his music
Speaker 1: sound the same, He's just making the same song over
Speaker 1: and over and over about you. Yeah, yeah I've heard that.
Speaker 1: But like I'm just boalid because the songs that literally
Speaker 1: don't sound like each other at all, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But now, like I don't like trying to
Speaker 1: make the same like even me as an artist, Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. As a fan listening to artists, I'm not like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I need Frank Ocean to make another Channel Orange. I
Speaker 1: need him make I need jay Z to make another
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like for what made it?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like he already made it
Speaker 1: for me to listen to, So like why do I
Speaker 1: need him to go make another one of those? But
Speaker 1: a lot of these fans nowadays, they just they really
Speaker 1: and shiit. People might see this and be like, nah,
Speaker 1: you don't know what he's talking about. We need you
Speaker 1: need to go back and make it again. Like it's
Speaker 1: like nah, but that's not how it works, you know.
Speaker 1: Like you know, so for me, I don't really pay
Speaker 1: too much attention when people say that. I just keep
Speaker 1: making ship And you know, I'm so glad. I thank
Speaker 1: God that I'm blessed and I've been able to just
Speaker 1: continue to take care of my family and and make
Speaker 1: money in the music industry doing whatever the fuck. But
Speaker 1: I really want to do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I listened to him every Here's when I when
Speaker 1: I do my fans a solid, you know, those people
Speaker 1: that really rock with trap soul. Every anniversary, So like
Speaker 1: when it's a five year anniversary or a ten year anniversary.
Speaker 1: For the five year anniversary, I dropped the album called Anniversary,
Speaker 1: paying homage to Trap Soul, which is my first album.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't call it Trap so Too because I'm
Speaker 1: just like, that's that's just suicide. I'm like, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna compare it, you know what, But I'm compared it anyway.
Speaker 1: But like this is what that is. You're paying how
Speaker 1: much to yourself, like to it. So I did that,
Speaker 1: and then on the ten years I dropped Solad, so
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I'm paying homage and I'm going
Speaker 1: back and tapping into that bag, you know, even getting
Speaker 1: the old beats that I was listening to back then.
Speaker 1: But even still it don't matter, like they're still gonna
Speaker 1: be like nah, it's still not the same, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But you know it's like when you
Speaker 1: hear people make new new Christmas music, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like somebody might make a new original Christmas
Speaker 1: song and it ain't gonna hit as hard as the
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra and all that, you know, all them Christmas songs.
Speaker 1: Then you make a Christmas album. I did, but it's
Speaker 1: not a shame, yeah, but not making a point that like,
Speaker 1: you know, it ain't nostalgia. People are really driven by
Speaker 1: nostalgia and they think like.
Speaker 3: Now, but they can plain now and then five ten
Speaker 3: years later look back at Oh man, that was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly. That's why you can't listen to it
Speaker 1: in and now. Nope at all. He's got to keep
Speaker 1: moving forward and even listen to none of that. I
Speaker 1: just right now. I'm in the space ever since twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: You know, I recently posted something like, yo, it's a
Speaker 1: common misconception that pricing till it don't drop enough, And
Speaker 1: I hate hearing that shit he don't drop enough. But
Speaker 1: like I've been dropping ever since twenty twenty, Like I
Speaker 1: haven't stopped. It's the algorithm, it's the social media, it's
Speaker 1: all that. It's the brutal industry that's keeping me suppressed
Speaker 1: and keeping me, you know, smothered to where it's like
Speaker 1: nobody would ever know that I'm releasing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Twenty twenty, I dropped my anniversary album twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, I dropped I Think the Deluxe, and then
Speaker 1: I went into the Christmas album, and then I dropped
Speaker 1: a ten year anniversary of my first mixtape ever, Killer
Speaker 1: Instinct Too, and then I dropped BTA, the album which
Speaker 1: I was working on nine stop putting out singles when
Speaker 1: I could, and then then I came out with slum
Speaker 1: Till the mixtape. Singage was Whatever she Wants was featured
Speaker 1: on That's three three I think three of them. And
Speaker 1: then I came out with a double album this year
Speaker 1: and like I'm working on the next ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's like I can't I'm saying
Speaker 1: all that to say, like you know, it's just people
Speaker 1: like all here and dropping. I was just like, nah,
Speaker 1: you just you know, you can't. You can't see it,
Speaker 1: you can't hear it.
Speaker 2: And that's cool, you know, just the mean lot of
Speaker 2: question for me, this is my favorite question in Dream
Speaker 2: Champs history.
Speaker 1: Independent or major. I never experienced what it was like
Speaker 1: to be independent, so I couldn't really tell you. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to learn a little bit more. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn. I'm trying to learn a little
Speaker 1: bit more what what what it means to be independent.
Speaker 1: That's somebody I was gonna reach out to. Don't that
Speaker 1: I want to be not that I want to be independent,
Speaker 1: but more so just because I just want to understand
Speaker 1: what it means to be independent.
Speaker 3: I would imagine in the R and B field, it
Speaker 3: would be a lot more different.
Speaker 1: I would say. Right now, as an artist, it feels
Speaker 1: like that the labels are just bank, you know, like
Speaker 1: just what a bank? Yeah, I mean that you're correct,
Speaker 1: because it's not like they're taking this song.
Speaker 3: And making it independent is wrong. But listen, you can't
Speaker 3: say that right now. It's different than back then.
Speaker 1: Man, we got, we got, we got. Back then we
Speaker 1: got what's my man name? N B A young boy
Speaker 1: and that's it. He independent. Now I forgot, I forgot,
Speaker 1: I forgot, all right, But what I know, man, there's
Speaker 1: a lot who else is killing the independent?
Speaker 2: Come on, russells Russell ship you make it points then
Speaker 2: you will to the Russ and Russells, Russell and Russ
Speaker 2: Oh Christian artists?
Speaker 1: No, bro, who's the wressel Man from the area? Oh
Speaker 1: my bad? Okay, okay, my bad. I thought it was
Speaker 1: La Russell, but yeah, maybe it is Russell. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but you ain't fucking independent. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: who who's I'm signing r C. Okay, I've been signing
Speaker 1: like that. He liked that major. I'm signed R G A.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that's good or bad,
Speaker 1: but like you know, shout out to them. As long
Speaker 1: as that money comes along. Yeah, as long as you're
Speaker 1: successful and flourishing.
Speaker 2: Independent is yeah, you don't want to be independent, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't listen.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to this guy.
Speaker 2: Man like the Wall, it's not for everybody, but you
Speaker 2: will go back to the Sheraton and not good.
Speaker 3: And he's speaking from the era in the nineties when
Speaker 3: the labels were flushed with money and they were just
Speaker 3: showing these artists with money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's talking from a different area, the Major.
Speaker 1: That sounds fun when you stay in Major. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: hold on, let me cheers with you. What is that
Speaker 1: ma majuana? What exactly? It's room based? It's a Dominican drink. Okay,
Speaker 1: who over there? All Dominicans?
Speaker 2: All Dominicans when they find out they drinking wanat.
Speaker 1: You open up.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the game for a second. Stuart, Uh,
Speaker 2: you've been is that it ship? Holy moleague wakamo brutal industry? Okay,
Speaker 2: so you're selling a console.
Speaker 1: I'm not selling the console, but like this is a
Speaker 1: handheld what consoles a handheld piece, It's called an antag.
Speaker 1: I got like six of them. But it's like different,
Speaker 1: and your phone is a Macintosh. What it looks like?
Speaker 1: Actize you really want to see now? But this is
Speaker 1: this is brutal industry. It's like it's like I said,
Speaker 1: it's a handheld PC, so I can like extract files
Speaker 1: and ship. But you know, I basically just download. Every
Speaker 1: Friday we get a new build that comes out, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I download my game on here, I test it out,
Speaker 1: we play it, we see where it goes. And you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And what is it like a
Speaker 1: downloadable app game or is it it's a real game
Speaker 1: that comes out on all platforms.
Speaker 2: And uh so I have to buy that council to
Speaker 2: get that? No, no, no, the Xbox yeah, Xbox any
Speaker 2: anywhayo switch? How about my phone downloaded?
Speaker 1: And wow too? Yeah, so I started working on this
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty. And uh, but is that your
Speaker 1: console that you know it is? Okay? Yeah? Just so
Speaker 1: uh that little Yeah, I've never said it like some
Speaker 1: Japanese ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Antex. This is like I was gonna give it to
Speaker 1: my daughter because we got pink on it, but I
Speaker 1: just bought it to see how it runs my game
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's a handheld PC essentially, it's just
Speaker 1: a PC Windows essentially. So and what's the premise of
Speaker 1: the game. I heard he's killing CEOs. Uh, he wants
Speaker 1: to be independent. It's about it's about the music industry.
Speaker 2: I can't say, yeah, yeah, it's telling leles and.
Speaker 1: It's a very satirical game about the music industry. You know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times this industry is like
Speaker 1: the ship that I go through is laughable. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, damn, Like, I can't believe that is
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I've been somebody that's in the house, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm a nerd, like I play video games, and I've
Speaker 1: seen this music industry ship. Make somebody send some goons
Speaker 1: after me, like we gotta get Brice until it touched
Speaker 1: because of they get touched because he disrespected me man
Speaker 1: and he owed me or whatever. That's just like, damn, bro,
Speaker 1: it's a brutal industry, man like, And I think it's sad.
Speaker 1: It's really sad that, you know, artists are gonna have
Speaker 1: to go through this ship. You gotta ship that you
Speaker 1: might not expect. Like I said, I stopped talking to
Speaker 1: everybody when my daughter was born just to see you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I didn't know what was gonna happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's gonna fuck with me? And then once I popped off,
Speaker 1: which I didn't know was gonna happen, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: everybody started coming out the world words talking about oh
Speaker 1: miss oh, I'm met, and we're gonna we're gonna put
Speaker 1: death threats outside the house. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, like
Speaker 1: O W E. So yeah, that's just you know, and
Speaker 1: then dealing with egos in the music industry, dealing with
Speaker 1: the media, you know what I'm saying, like media, but
Speaker 1: like you know, there's some people out there that are,
Speaker 1: like y'all that they got malicious intent and they're doing
Speaker 1: it because they know, you know, like I said, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some clips from this ship that I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna hate to see. But I ain't even on social
Speaker 1: media right now, like I'm just chilling. H no, broom,
Speaker 1: turn this off, but out right now. But not like
Speaker 1: you know, the industry is just it's fucked up with
Speaker 1: artists have to go through, you know, just there's so
Speaker 1: many different things that I just have made characters out
Speaker 1: of and I love anime and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: anime influenced in this game. And yeah, I just.
Speaker 2: I just want to give you a slight bit of advice.
Speaker 2: You're a legend. Uh, let me let me finish your
Speaker 2: a legend. You're on your way to be in the icon,
Speaker 2: and there's moments that I don't want you to to miss. Yeah,
Speaker 2: enjoy this ride is cool. This ride is cool and
Speaker 2: and and I feel like you're being careful. So you're
Speaker 2: not like really in like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You're looking at the ride, but you know that.
Speaker 1: That that ride is going to go up.
Speaker 2: You're in Great Adventures, right, so you know that you're
Speaker 2: on the ride, So you're being super careful and you're
Speaker 2: not I want you to enjoy this more. You are
Speaker 2: a legend, bro, You're a legend. These people came out here.
Speaker 2: Look at all these people turn around. We do this
Speaker 2: for ten years. Everyone was like, listen, you're alleged. So
Speaker 2: I went as you know you know what your own family.
Speaker 2: You're our family, whether you know it or not. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, coming through Rich Rich is
Speaker 2: my family. You want my family. I'm your family, and
Speaker 2: I want you to enjoy this a little bit more,
Speaker 2: if I can give you a little bit of advice,
Speaker 2: just a little bit of advice. Enjoy this ride because
Speaker 2: so many people ain't gonna get this, so many people
Speaker 2: like I just ran on New York City Marathon and
Speaker 2: I've seen people fall in front of me. They felt
Speaker 2: they came right to the fucking finish line and fell
Speaker 2: and I couldn't pull them because they wouldn't wh me.
Speaker 2: But you're at the finish line, and I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you something. I want to pull you with me because
Speaker 2: you are a good dude, and enjoy this motherfucking ride
Speaker 2: because it's ride is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I got got old, got older, old on
Speaker 1: your own.
Speaker 2: That was old, but yeah, not for real, because I
Speaker 2: was just living a beautiful life.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: If you heard my question, I'm just what's what? What's
Speaker 1: the legend to you? To you? To me?
Speaker 2: A legend is person who stays outside, who doesn't listen
Speaker 2: to the critiques of these people fall for both of
Speaker 2: our second album, and they comes back outside and the
Speaker 2: press bevers and keeps going. And I know that word
Speaker 2: might have just sounded a little crazy, but it keeps
Speaker 2: going and does not let anybody crack them, And let
Speaker 2: me just tell you something.
Speaker 1: You have done that. You have done that already. Celebrate yourself.
Speaker 2: Pat yourself on the back, and just in case if
Speaker 2: you don't want to, I'll help you pat yourself on
Speaker 2: the back. Bro, you are fucking legend. Accept that ship, bro,
Speaker 2: accept it because because that's the That's the beautifulest thing
Speaker 2: about this is I know that you're accepting where you at.
Speaker 2: But you're also like, man, fuck this all right, which
Speaker 2: is cool.
Speaker 1: I've been there. But you have to look over that ship.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: You already made it. You're already who it is. There's
Speaker 2: people who already look up to you. Yeah, they're inspired
Speaker 2: by you. So you just got to accept that ship. Bro,
Speaker 2: You're a fucking legend and accepted.
Speaker 1: I'm just is that cool? Is that cool? Yes? I
Speaker 1: just want you to know that.
Speaker 2: I want you to know that, like for real, because
Speaker 2: I know what you humble, Yeah, and sometimes being humble
Speaker 2: it's next to being like not accepting your credits, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And now you got to accept
Speaker 2: your credits. Bro, You got to look at the fucking
Speaker 2: the end of the film, the end of the film.
Speaker 2: Your name is dead as fucking executive you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Solute to you, brother, Thank you, bro, Solute
Speaker 2: to you, appreciate it. And salute to your crew for
Speaker 2: holding them down. Salute to you being here man, because
Speaker 2: this is this is this is beautiful and I wanted
Speaker 2: to give you your flowers, brother, and I thank you.
Speaker 1: But this is the last question. How many babies do
Speaker 1: you think you made? Damn?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Did you make love making music? Motherfucker? You know people
Speaker 1: used to say that to me, and I never understood
Speaker 1: because I was like, really making love to this, like
Speaker 1: motherfucker's to your ship. That's wowd I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I'm happy that I contributed you like three three thousands,
Speaker 1: maybe three hundred thousand babies, who knows, man. I really
Speaker 1: just hope that I made a lot of men question
Speaker 1: question the decisions, you know what I'm saying, and and
Speaker 1: or not even just had just people men they relationships
Speaker 1: that they might have broken, you know, more than babies.
Speaker 4: You know, hopefully some babies came out of that. But
Speaker 4: like you know, if you just meant like I just
Speaker 4: want to help people get through.
Speaker 1: They they mentioned the sart their relationships or just really
Speaker 1: think about it, like damn, you know what, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I did up. You know, maybe I need to like,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to revisit that and and see it
Speaker 1: from a different perspective.
Speaker 2: So, so, is there ever a record that you you
Speaker 2: thought you went too personal on? Because I know you
Speaker 2: personal question? Uh ship, I can't. I can't recall right now.
Speaker 1: Especially not about your girl your ex's. Yeah, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't recall.
Speaker 3: Just leave that alone, like you never released music or
Speaker 3: an album and and kind of like social media.
Speaker 1: Where you kind of like I kind of exposed too
Speaker 1: much there. Definitely my second album for Shure, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, wait, way too much, you know, Like the
Speaker 1: Alcum cover itself was inspired by like that that MTV
Speaker 1: show is called True Life or something shit, exposing like
Speaker 1: what people are like really going through. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is all I know that I'm just telling them
Speaker 1: what I'm going through. So but it was too much,
Speaker 1: you know. So listen, man, what day?
Speaker 2: Me and you going, Hey, I just diss each other
Speaker 2: about our second album.
Speaker 1: Because you ain't letting it go. And his second album
Speaker 1: is a classic in my opinion.
Speaker 2: So I relate to you so much because I know
Speaker 2: exactly how you feel. Because it's exactly how I feel.
Speaker 2: But thank you man for being here.
Speaker 1: Man. I appreciate that man.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your energy, appreciate rich appreciate all this.
Speaker 1: Ship man like Yo, You're a legend.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: I want to give your flowers. Take a picture. Let's
Speaker 1: do it.
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