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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff, your

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Speaker 2: weekly podcast of which I'm the host, Parker Kiljoy, of

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Speaker 2: which this time Miawong is the guest.

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Speaker 3: Amya, Hello, I'm back again. We're crunched at two Cronstead harder. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: excited to be here. Three to Tokyo Drift already. I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't know how you count the episode pairs.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm not sure. Yeah, because this is I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is part three of a six parter. But since

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Speaker 2: I always think of him as double no.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're in the middle, we're entering the middle period. But

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Speaker 2: fortunately here to guide us along is our producer, Sophie Hy. Sophie,

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Speaker 2: it's me.

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Speaker 1: The producer, Sophie Hi.

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Speaker 2: As one of the other people makes it happen is Daniel.

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Speaker 2: He's an audio engineer, Daniel. Our theme music was written

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Speaker 2: for us by un woman, and I promised Mia right

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Speaker 2: before we recorded that today I am going to talk

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Speaker 2: about what I believe to be the largest moral and

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Speaker 2: strategic misstep in anarchist history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This is wild to be because I think, wow,

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Speaker 3: this is this is this is this, This is worse

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Speaker 3: than working with the government in Catalonia's is worse than

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Speaker 3: going off the barricades. It's like, oh wow, this is

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Speaker 3: this is this is worse than the Chinese anarchists working

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Speaker 3: with Chen Kai Sheck.

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Speaker 2: That one I don't know about, but it might be

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Speaker 2: comparable to working with Chinese.

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Speaker 3: This is probably worse because by that point they're just

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Speaker 3: worked than many of them.

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling that this is probably why they

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Speaker 2: worked with Shanghai Shek to be for anyone who's listening,

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Speaker 2: that's the nationalists general who the Maoist Army was fighting

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Speaker 2: in China.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I that that one. Yeah, I can explain

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Speaker 3: really briefly basically that one was there was a faction

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Speaker 3: of anarchists who were just like friends with him. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so they backed Chan Kay Sheck. Also partially as a

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Speaker 3: result of a bunch of anarchists getting killed in Russia.

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Speaker 3: A lot of other anarchists refused to back them and

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Speaker 3: were like, what are you guys doing? This guy is

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Speaker 3: like this kuys he like right drug barn like right wing,

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Speaker 3: like nationalist weirdo. But you know, that's for another episode.

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Speaker 2: Although I want to see at the end of part

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Speaker 2: four how you feel about that decision that they made

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Speaker 2: because where we last left our heroes and soon to

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Speaker 2: be antagonists, the revolution of nineteen oh five had largely

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Speaker 2: failed in Russia. Right, this is our sixth part about

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Speaker 2: the cronstat Uprising, but it's it's secretly the entire nineteen

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Speaker 2: oh five to nineteen twenty one Russian Revolution series so

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Speaker 2: that I can eventually do other spinoff episodes that talk

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Speaker 2: about these things and have done more of the research

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Speaker 2: myself and or you all have had options to hear it.

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Speaker 2: So nineteen oh five revolution is largely failed, most of

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Speaker 2: the militant revolutionaries are dead, imprisoned or in exile. And

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Speaker 2: of all of the different socialist factions, and once again,

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Speaker 2: You've got the Marxists who are the social democrat, and

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Speaker 2: then you've got the anarchists and all of these factions.

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Speaker 2: You also have the Cadets, which are like the like

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Speaker 2: liberal centrists. Actually will they come later, But there are

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Speaker 2: other factions, but these are the like leftist factions.

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Speaker 2: All of these factions have their own internal divisions, Most

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Speaker 2: famously the Marxists are split between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks,

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Speaker 2: and the Bolsheviks are headed up by Vladimir Lenin, who

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Speaker 2: wanted an elite vanguard of middle class intellectuals to drag

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Speaker 2: you have the Mensheviks who are just kind of like

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Speaker 2: and so in some ways they're kind of like better,

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Speaker 2: and in some kind of ways they're I mean, I

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Speaker 2: but they have some great one liners.

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Speaker 3: I remember it was like an art class in college.

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Speaker 3: But we revent this line of this Venshevik in like

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Speaker 3: I think nineteen eighteen going talking about the Bolsheviks saying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a great line.

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Speaker 3: But they great wood lighters, less great organizing in politics.

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Speaker 2: are the Maximalists. The anarchists are less like divided into

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Speaker 2: like you Kropotkinists, you all are too democratic. Whatever, nothing changes.

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Speaker 2: All of the more extreme factions of each of these groups,

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, great way to pass the time. It will

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Speaker 3: pass all of your time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all everything's past tense at this point. This quiets

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Speaker 2: you've got Tzar Nicholas the Second, who never wanted to

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Speaker 2: And he was just like the wimpy Tzar, and most

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Speaker 3: But I think the problem with that is like Azar

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess I'm gonna be the most czarish tzar

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Speaker 3: You could just not be the czar. But no, I know,

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Speaker 3: I know so easy to not be the czar. I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am eighty percent committed to not be in

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Speaker 2: the czar. So the Zar promised to Duma, which is

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Speaker 2: So the only fun part about talking about inter revolutionary

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Speaker 2: piece of shit, Rasputant. Eh, he's so cool that Bonie

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Speaker 2: m wrote a six song about him. It was covered

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Speaker 2: by the folk metal band Teresis because it's.

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Speaker 1: Please stop, please stop telling us that Robert looks like him.

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Speaker 2: We've heard your theories. I, after having done more research

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Speaker 2: about Rasputin, would never say that about Robert.

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Speaker 1: Please stop, please stop doing that theory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so Rasbuten is not cool. People did cool stuff,

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Speaker 2: and I used to think he's interesting people who survived

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Speaker 2: a lot of assassination attempts. Right, Realistically, he only survived

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Speaker 2: one assassination attempt, which is more assassination attempts than I've survived.

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Speaker 3: That's true, but like that's also he's also on the

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Speaker 3: list of like on the like the the memorial Hitler

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Speaker 2: point to royal inbreeding as being the driving force of

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Speaker 2: the Russian Revolution in world attempts to stay socialism if

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Speaker 2: far as it can go. Because Nicholas the Second his

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Speaker 3: However bad you think it was, you're right, that's how

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Speaker 3: bad it was. Yeah, they're all cousins. Yeah, Like it's terrible.

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Speaker 3: It's not great.

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Speaker 2: I mean people have it, and I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: of the twentieth century, it was also called the Royal disease.

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Speaker 2: But doctors didn't help. Because it's the beginning of the

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Speaker 2: about doctors now because we're all still learning. Enter the

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Speaker 2: wandering mystic Grigory Rasputin. He was born a Siberian peasant

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Speaker 2: and people know almost nothing about his upbringing. Okay, The

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Speaker 2: thing that I like about him, he is kind of

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Speaker 2: this blank thing that you can like project whatever you

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Speaker 2: want onto.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, but so was Louis Napoleon, so Napoleon the third,

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Speaker 3: so you know, not not necessarily a good yeah.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough. He was not formally educated. Was Robert formally educated?

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Speaker 2: And also was Robert born a Siberian peasant is an

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Speaker 2: unknown We may never know. Much like Robert Evans, nothing

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Speaker 2: is known about this man's past. He was probably a

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Speaker 2: rowdy kid. Okay, this part does a lineup. And then

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Speaker 2: when he's like twenty eight and he had like a

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Speaker 2: I'm having visions I should go wandering. In the process,

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Speaker 2: he became friends of the pod XVX. He swore off

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Speaker 2: meat and alcohol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, because they hate him because there's a wild

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Speaker 3: It's pretty good. But it has this issue. This is

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Speaker 3: Yeah sure, But if you if you're a revolutionary, if

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Speaker 2: to how little the Bolsheviks care about what that's But first,

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Speaker 3: Is is it the products and services that support the podcasts.

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Speaker 2: That's right, because they are universally loved. They are so

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Speaker 3: Here in the words, in the words of the of

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know enough about his who knows. The problem

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Speaker 2: After the next election, you would think, but yeah, because

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Speaker 2: resputants running, That's what I'm trying to say. I would

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 2: More important to the story is the old World War One.

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Speaker 2: Resputant still isn't dead. At this point, some Bosnian Serbs

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Speaker 2: So Nicholas the second was like, all right, fuck it,

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Speaker 3: And herbal idea, Yeah, can all of you worst No, yeah, don't, don't.

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Speaker 2: time it all go better. Because there's all this propaganda

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00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: about ho, Russia is going to like roll right into

432
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 2: Germany and conquer. This did not happen. As per usual,

433
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 2: Russia did what Russia does best in a war, have

434
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: a very large army full of conscripts with very bad

435
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: leadership and bad equipment, and throw bodies at the problem.

436
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: Has no comparison to now famously.

437
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, although they were fighting a much like no no

438
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: offense to the Ukrainian army, which is fought above its capacity,

439
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 3: but like the N eighty fourty German Army, Oh boy,

440
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 3: do you not want to fight that arby? Like Jesus,

441
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: those guys are scary. Like those people.

442
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: They went to war against the entire world and almost won,

443
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: yeah twice twice.

444
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like like really like especially in World

445
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: War One, like all of their allies are a joke Okay,

446
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: so they're terrifying arby zero out of ten. Don't let

447
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: the Germans form an army because yeah, never good.

448
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, they're famous for their efficiency,

449
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: and unfortunate efficiency is an incredibly important part of war,

450
00:23:53,600 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: so famously. Also, soldiers don't like being sent to war without.

451
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: Some of them don't have boots and are basically told

452
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: get boots off the guy next to you and he dies.

453
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: And like this is also a like like I've read

454
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: accounts from people who fought in the Red Army during

455
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: World War Two and like were told to attack tanks

456
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: with their bare hands. You know, most of the peasants

457
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: were drafted from the peasant class. Families watched their sons

458
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: leave pretty sure that they'd never see their sons again,

459
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: and they were mostly right. Yeah, and people are really

460
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: fucking poor. As per usual, a third of the draftees

461
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: have to be rejected for medical reasons because ill health

462
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: is so rampant. World War One doesn't do anyone any favors.

463
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: It's the first time European powers have the machine gun

464
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: to use in a war against each other instead of

465
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: colonized people, and so they're just throwing bodies into the grinder,

466
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: and it's bad times all around. The only thing good

467
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 2: thing that came out of World War One is, of

468
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: course Lord of the Rings and almost the Russian Revolution,

469
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 2: the Lord of the Ring things that Tolkien fought in

470
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: World War One, and that influenced his decision around how

471
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: to make the most important book of our time. So

472
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: the Russian Revolution almost was really cool and came out

473
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: of World War One.

474
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: So that's like close, yes, like one in a quarter,

475
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: one in an eighth.

476
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate the big Man theory of history. Everything

477
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: I've read, you can kind of blame the destruction of

478
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: socialism at the feet of Latimer Lenin more than anyone else,

479
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: because he engineered again, this is the best I can tell.

480
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: He engineered the Bolsheviks into doing what even they didn't

481
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: want to do, at least at first. And I think

482
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: all of them were fine with taking power and stuff.

483
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: But the way in which the Bolsheviks did this, which

484
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: we'll get to, but we'll get to that he's not

485
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: even in the country at this point. He's in Switzerland,

486
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 2: so without any of the leaders of the revolution. I

487
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: just wanted to point out that Lenin wasn't there because

488
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 2: I'm a little salty anarchist bitch.

489
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

490
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: So without any of the so called leaders of the revolution,

491
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: including all the anarchists, right, like, they're all fucking locked

492
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the leaders of the anarchist movement or whatever.

493
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: We're all locked up to right or in exile or dead.

494
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: Russia is going to have a revolution without everyone, and

495
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: they're going to call it the February Revolution because it

496
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: happened in March. That's a little switching calendar's joke for you.

497
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: All throughout World War One, the Zars kind of like

498
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: off at war, becoming increasingly popular, and Alexandra is acting

499
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: as sort of a tzarina and no one likes her

500
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: at all. Their general strikes all over a massive upheaval

501
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 2: over a year and a half. They had four prime ministers,

502
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: five ministers of the Interior, three four ministers, three war ministers,

503
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: three ministers of transport, and four ministers of agriculture.

504
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: That's so that look, they have adopted the British mode

505
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: of government, which is very traditionally aside, things are going great, yeah,

506
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 3: because it's hanging cabbages outside, one for every minister.

507
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the Duma is like, hey, can this

508
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: bad ruler Alexandra stop being ruler. And Saint Nicholas. No,

509
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: Nicholas the Second not a saint. Oh wait, they did

510
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: saint him, the Russian Orthodox Church of Saint.

511
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 3: Would you see this is a Russian whatever anyway, Oh

512
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: my god.

513
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: So Nicholas the Second dissolved the Douma yet again, instead

514
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 2: of doing what they asked him to do, which was

515
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: the reasonable thing, and they announced that the Interior Minister

516
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: was dictator. And this was not a popular move. So

517
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: one morning in February or March nineteen seventeen, We're going

518
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: to go with March eighth, because I am cool Zone

519
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: Media's officially Western calendar bigots. So March nineteen seventeen, Russia

520
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: throws a revolution. It is a balmy sixteen degree day,

521
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: sixteen degrees in the real temperature scale, of course, fahrenheit,

522
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: but soon it gets way colder. Like all the best revolutions,

523
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: they did not know they were throwing a revolution, and

524
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: so often is the case, it was started by women. Yeah,

525
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That's like I probably learned that

526
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: in high school. To be clear, that's not like a

527
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: hidden fact, but like I didn't realize that the first

528
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: Russian Revolution of nineteen seventeen, was started by women for

529
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: years at this point, as the war and misery the

530
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: peasants and the workers, the aristocracy who was still like

531
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: eating cake and going to the theater and drinking champagne

532
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 2: and everyone else is starving at home or starving at

533
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: the front or dying violently in one of.

534
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 3: Those two places.

535
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: And so they're like, all right, we're going to do

536
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: something about it, you know, right. And the cool thing

537
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: about internationalism is as international. So I'm going to tie

538
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: the roots of this particular thing to the United States.

539
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: Only then I'm going to tie it back to Russia.

540
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: Because there's this woman, Teresa Machel. She was born a

541
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: Russian Jew, born in what's now Ukraine. She was born

542
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: on May Day, May one, eighteen seventy four. Ah, yeah,

543
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: before there was a May Day even. She was seventeen

544
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: when her family emigrated to the Lower East Side of

545
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: New York City and she got to work as a cloakmaker.

546
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: She organized the Infant Cloakmakers Union of New York because

547
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: people knew how to dress their babies back then in

548
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: cloaks with chainmail.

549
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: Wait, we got it, okay, I have I now know

550
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: people who have babies We've got it. We've got to

551
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: bring this back. We can do this.

552
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: Since the main expense in diy in a cloak is

553
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: that it costs hundreds of dollars of wool to make.

554
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: Ask me how I know infant cloaks are a discount.

555
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: It's a sweet deal. Bonus sponsor infant cloaks because not

556
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: even an ad break. That's just how excited I am. Anyway,

557
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Teresa represents her union through various labor federations and such

558
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: and winds up in the Socialist Party of America. Supposedly,

559
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: the Socialist believes in equal rights for women, and she,

560
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: like a lot of other people, tried to make that

561
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: actually true by fighting for it. And she pitched that

562
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: there should be a national Women's Day, and it was

563
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: first on February twenty eighth, nineteen nine. By nineteen eleven,

564
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: the International Socialist Women's Conference managed to get in International

565
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: Women's Day and over a million people participated in that

566
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: first one so International Women's Day. Nineteen seventeen, women in

567
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: Russia went on a one day strike and the strike

568
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: was focused in Saint Petersburg. And this was not a

569
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: polite and peaceful affair. They demanded bread and peace. They

570
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: marched through the streets, looting stores to distribute like rich

571
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: pastries that were just for rich people.

572
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: Rules unbelievably based, no, I know.

573
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons I point that out is because,

574
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: like there is no clear history of the Russian Revolution

575
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: that's ever been written as far as the cantel. Everyone

576
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: either their own angle, yes, and so I'm just trying

577
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: to be really upfront about my own angle here. But

578
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: like everything you read from all of these different sources,

579
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: because there's also so much happened chaotically that it's not

580
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: like these sources are lying. It's that they're choosing which

581
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: facts to represent or even only know about certain facts, right.

582
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: I Mean, there's like, like len It Lenden's best lying

583
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: about this period that I really felt drink twenty twenty

584
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: was there are decades where nothing happens, in weeks where

585
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: decades happened.

586
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is the decades are happening, like right

587
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: here totally in eight days, they ended a three hundred

588
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: year didnesting and like the thing that took years for

589
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: them to try to get in nineteen oh five happened

590
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: in eight days.

591
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: And some of the accounts of this the reason I'm.

592
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: Pointing out that these folks looted on the very first

593
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: day of it was because some of the accounts are like,

594
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: and then they let everyone out of jail, but they

595
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: didn't just let the good political prisoners let out. They

596
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: let everyone else out too, and suddenly there was looting,

597
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: you know, And it's like, I'm sure that a lot

598
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: of the people that they let out of jail looted,

599
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind. Also a whole bunch

600
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: of people who weren't in jail already looted.

601
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: Because it's cool. It turns out.

602
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so some troops refused to fire on them because

603
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: there were women, and frankly and very importantly, morale among

604
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: soldiers was fucking, to use your phrase, dog shit at

605
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: this point. Men joined in soon enough. There's actually there

606
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: was men there at the beginning too, But like overall,

607
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: more of the workers now are coming out and there

608
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: are more general strikes have been happening among different industries,

609
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: happening immediately prior to this.

610
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: But the version of it that I heard was like,

611
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: part of what goes on is like, so it's an

612
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: international Women's Day event, and a lot of the like

613
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: the male political group for like, eh, we're not going

614
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: to go out, and so people are like running from

615
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: factory to factory yelling like get out here, like what

616
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: are you people doing? Which rules?

617
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: And I believe you that makes more sense, frankly. And

618
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: it takes them a while to even get the political

619
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: parties involved, because so many actual uprisings start with marginalized people,

620
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: and eventually political groups attach themselves once they realize that

621
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: the momentum can't be stopped, because usually they want to

622
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: be like, well, we want to be the ones who

623
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: have done it right. Revolution takes eight days. On March twelfth,

624
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: the military in Saint Petersburg switched teams to join the revolution,

625
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: killing the officers that wouldn't let them. A few days

626
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: after that, Nicholas the Second was like, okay, fine, I

627
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: give up. You can have your country back, you fucking peasants,

628
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: all without any central organizing to the revolution. None of

629
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: that has happened yet at this point. About thirteen hundred

630
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: people or so died during that revolution. And then you

631
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: have the classic rhythm like that's so few people I

632
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: know for a system of government that is like twice

633
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: as old as like the United States.

634
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it's it's incredible.

635
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like respect to those thirteen hundred people who died,

636
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: but it is such an incredibly low number, and you

637
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: have this classic problem, a power vacuum. Don't worry, plenty

638
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: more people are going to die because of this revolution.

639
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: It was not during the immediate revolution, but.

640
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: They did the first the first revolution, they did a

641
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: really good job. They did everyone everything subsequent to that,

642
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: they did issues emerge.

643
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: It's the people who tried to take power that anyway whatever.

644
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: So two forces step into the vacuum and with a

645
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: really uneasy alliance. And the laziest way that people talk

646
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 2: about the February Revolution is that the provisional government took over.

647
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: The accurate way is that the provisional government had to

648
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 2: figure out how to share power with the Soviets because

649
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: the Soviets are back. The provisional government is composed of

650
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 2: people from the Duma and shit, and so the last

651
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: time that they've been elected was nineteen twelve, and so

652
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: they're like, they kind of know they're not ready to

653
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: be the elected officials of the government, right, But they're

654
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: the kind of middle class version of the revolutionists. At

655
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: that point, it's mostly centrists and liberals and the Duma

656
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: because everyone else has been boycotting elections and stuff. The

657
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: Soviets are filled with socialists of all kinds, unless you

658
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: read a Bolshevik history, in which case they were all Bolsheviks.

659
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: Sh And the Provisional Government is like, all right, we're

660
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: going to become a republic and have elections and shit

661
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: and solve the land problem for the peasants. Just not yet.

662
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: We got to stay in World War One. We can't

663
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: ditch the Allies. We can't like redistribute all the land

664
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: and stuff, because we're in the middle of a war.

665
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: You know.

666
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: Everyone else is like, well, why are we in the

667
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: middle of this war? Yeah, But their plan is to

668
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: eventually have a constituent Assembly that is voted for and

669
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 2: this would become the government and they would be a republic,

670
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: but for now they would be in charge. The Soviets,

671
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: who are an elected body already and they've been elected

672
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: in a grassroots direct delegate way, are like, well, the

673
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: people of Russia aren't at war with Germany. The Russian

674
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: Empire was at war and that's gone. So they disagreed.

675
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: The Provisional Government had like the symbols and stuff. The

676
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: symbolic parts of the state. The Soviets had the actual

677
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: practical power because they had the workers and the peasants

678
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: and the soldiers. So the provisional government is like, hey, socialists,

679
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: could you please please join us? You can join us now,

680
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: hey do you want to? You want to join us?

681
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: And the Soviets and a lot of them do, a

682
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: lot of the SRS in particular, which is the largest

683
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: group by popularity and delegates, it is the most important

684
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: socialist group at this point. And the Soviets are like,

685
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: all right, our order number one, it's literally their order

686
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: number one is that the provisional government orders will only

687
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: be followed if we if we want.

688
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: To which rules, more people should do this. This is great.

689
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: No, it's so frustrating because it's like, the Soviets are

690
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: the good guys here. I mean that the provisional government

691
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: I like kind of get where they're coming from. I'm

692
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: not trying to be like, oh, what a bunch of assholes, right,

693
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: but like, no, there's this bottom up electoral system that's

694
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: already in place. Just fucking go with it and not

695
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: do what Lenin's about to do. And seven hundred of

696
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: these Soviets spread across the country. And this is like

697
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: I think actually has further reach overall than the provisional

698
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: government doesn't have as much reach in the peasant areas,

699
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: is my understanding, but I'm not one hundred percent certain

700
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: about that because you read like eight different things and

701
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: they all disagree. But what everyone does agree about is

702
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: that these are deals that you should totally listen to

703
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: and not do this thing that would be really easy

704
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: to do, which is press the four fifteen second button

705
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: on your phone as soon as you hear the theme

706
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: music and then wait until you hear the theme music

707
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: again and then stop pressing forward. You shouldn't do that, never.

708
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: You should listen to all of these advertisers and then

709
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: do whatever they tell you to do.

710
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: And we're back.

711
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: So things are unstable in Russia after this revolution. All

712
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: the revolutionaries are suddenly let out of prison all over

713
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: the country, and so are a lot of other people.

714
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: So there's looting, I mean whatever, Like I'm like looting

715
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: to get the cakes. It's also like, I'm sure it's

716
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: also kind of bad and hard to be alive right now.

717
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: You know, it's like interesting, it's not boring, but like

718
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: it's also dangerous I'm not trying to let everyone's like starving.

719
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 3: I mean like that's that's the other element of this.

720
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: It's just like totally. It's like, wow, I wonder why

721
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 3: these starving people are stealing cakes from the cake shop.

722
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: It's like, I know, no one could possibly answer this.

723
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: It must be the criminal elements.

724
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you heard about Lenin's return during this I'm

725
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: going to talk about a little bit, and you need

726
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: to fill in any gaps because this is the this

727
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: is the tea so wild so imperial Germany really wants

728
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: the provisional government overthrown because it wants Russia to get

729
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: out of the war so that Germany can focus on

730
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: the Western Front. And they're like, well, if we let

731
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 2: the Kamis overthrow, the provisional government will have one less

732
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: antagonist in our war. Lenin wants to overthrow the provisional

733
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: government to institute a dictatorship, not a dictatorship of the proletariat,

734
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: but a dictatorship by him. As we talked about last time.

735
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: His whole thing was to try and use the Soviets

736
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: and then they become superliferous, right, and so the German

737
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: government finances him and sends him back to Russia on

738
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: a train that's there so with a whole bunch of

739
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: money and shit, hoping he'll do exactly what he goes

740
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: on to do. That's the version I heard. Yeah, it's

741
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: really wild because it's like, for all that every single

742
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: one of sort of Lenin's ideological to SAand insequendy spent

743
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: all their time accusing everyone else of being a psyopist,

744
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: like your guy was literally paid by the German government

745
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: to do this like him.

746
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: It's like, come on, and.

747
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: Actually, the interesting lesson here isn't that Bolshevism is a

748
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: psyop It's that sometimes powerful groups finance other groups in

749
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: order to try and get what they want. It doesn't

750
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: mean that Lenin wanted Imperial Germany to get what it wanted.

751
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: Lenin wanted what he wanted and had no p problems

752
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: taking a bunch of money from the people that his

753
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: country had been at war with, you know.

754
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's also I mean, I think the ever

755
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: thing here is like, this is something you see a

756
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: lot with empires, is they'll hand someone a bunch of

757
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: money and that person will just turn around and then

758
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: go do whatever they want with it. Yeah, totally. It

759
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: turns out it doesn't always work well for the people

760
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 3: handing them the money and the guns.

761
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I am not saying this to say that

762
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: Lenin is a pawn of the German government. I am

763
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: saying that Lenin that Germany wanted to use him as

764
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: a pawn, and that Germany got what it wanted out

765
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: of it. But anyway, Lenin gets back to Russia and

766
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: he sets up trying to engineer the whole a further revolution,

767
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: and he does that by bringing the Bolshevik position closer

768
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: to the anarchist position, by bringing their tactics and strategies

769
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: but not their goals closer in line to anarchism. Anarchism

770
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: was the main ideology at this point that had been

771
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: promoting an immediate revolution, whereas Bolshevism was still kind of

772
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: gradual even at this point. So, at least according to

773
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: some of the histories I read when Lenin wrote his

774
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: like big important theory book, The State and Revolution, at

775
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: this time, this fundamentally changes the Marxist revolutionary strategy. And

776
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: it's also kind of an appeal to the anarchists and

777
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: to the other people who are like, well, we got

778
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: to do this now. So anarchists saw this as Bolsheviks

779
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: coming to them rather than them going to the Bolsheviks,

780
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: as they start having more and more of an alliance

781
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: going forward over these next few months. And he also

782
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: in the State and Revolution pushes that all states have

783
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: the right to secede. He will not hold to this

784
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: very long. Yeah example, Yeah, Later the Democratic Republic of

785
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: Georgia will split off formed by Mensheviks, only to be

786
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: invaded by the Bolsheviks, and then of course Ukraine and whatever. Anyhow,

787
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: so Lenin's back, oh boy. Provisional government is headed up

788
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 2: by an SR a guy named Kerensky. He's not right away,

789
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: he's in April, but because in April they're like, please

790
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: socialists come join us, right And one part I didn't

791
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: know about. That's a little bit tea in a different direction.

792
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: One someone one person who came out of exile to

793
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: help advise Kerensky was our buddy Peter Kropakin. This part, yeah,

794
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: I mean, like the tracks.

795
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: A lot of.

796
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Anarchists are not stoked about Kripakin. We talked about him

797
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: a little bit last time. He' an abolutionary biologist and

798
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: a former prince who is very interesting and very important

799
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: to anarchist communist theory, and also modern mutual aid and

800
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: why animals are gay theory. He's a very interesting man.

801
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: So he wanted anarchists to side with the Allies in

802
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: World War One to stop imperial Germany felt like more

803
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: important than viewing things specifically along class lines. Most anarchists

804
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: were against any participation in yeah war.

805
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: It was like, this is a terrible idea, Like what

806
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: are you doing?

807
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: So the anarchists in nineteen seventeen generally supported the Bolsheviks,

808
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: as did a lot of the Actually we need a

809
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: real revolution people. Lenin is really appealing to people. He's

810
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: running around shouting all power to the Soviets. That's his thing.

811
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: When people say all power to the Soviets, what they

812
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: mean is not provisional government, the top down body, but yes,

813
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: the bottom up body that was actually already elected. And

814
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: people are into it. And his slogan is a piece

815
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: bread in land, and people like those things. I like

816
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: those things as best as you can figure out. In

817
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: nineteen seventeen, here and there and afterwards, the anarchists were

818
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: useful idiots for the Bolsheviks. The anarchists did the dirty

819
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 2: work because we believed in revolution, and because we also

820
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 2: believed in political pluralism. It is the tolerance paradox. Right

821
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: anarchists at this point tend to believe in political pluralism,

822
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: including having political pluralism and allies with groups that don't

823
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: believe in political pluralism. And in nineteen seventeen in Russias

824
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: on stable as fuck and you have revolution one point

825
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: five that happens in July. It's called the July Days

826
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: and it's an uprising by socialists of all different stripes,

827
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: actually kind of less the Bolsheviks than like skin the people, yeah,

828
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: because because Lenin didn't order them to do it, and

829
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: they were like, but some Bolsheviks were.

830
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Part of it.

831
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: And then also it's like history is so annoying and

832
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: hard to read because it's like I also read accounts

833
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: that were like and then the Bolsheviks did this thing,

834
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: but that was like a Western capitalist reading of the history.

835
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: So like everyone who's bad as a Bolshevik, you know, yeah,

836
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: which is sometimes though they formed that like meme without

837
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: two arms or holding hands, because they both want to

838
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: blame everything on the Bolsheviks, because the Bolsheviks think the

839
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: thing was good and the capitalists think that the thing

840
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: was bad. But it wasn't done by the Bolsheviks at all.

841
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: Is done by like srs or anarchists or people who

842
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: know political ideology. And what happened in July is that

843
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: that sr. Kerensky was pushed for a military offensive against Germany,

844
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: and that actually kind of worked for a minute, but

845
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: at home it made everyone remember how much they didn't

846
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: want to be in a war. And the only socialist

847
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: who had enjoined the provisional government were the radicals, and

848
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: so therefore everyone else had to back the offensive, right

849
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: because they were in the government that it declared it,

850
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, the same way they could have.

851
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: Not, but they're just like, you know, they just sort

852
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: of fell in line. It's just like, yeah, you could

853
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: have not done this, but well, I mean you can.

854
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: Taking power destroys your brain. See.

855
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: The best thing that came out of World War One

856
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: is the Lord of the Rings, which is the parable

857
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 2: about why you have to throw the ring of power into.

858
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: The fire mountain.

859
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, So the Bolsheviks, the anarchists and some of the

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Speaker 2: other like left stars and stuff, where the I think

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Speaker 2: some of the left users were a lot of the

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Speaker 2: only people involved in the July Days, which was a

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Speaker 2: big uprising by people. It's always like everyone wants to

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Speaker 2: have the labels, but it's like a lot of times

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Speaker 2: there's just people. People are mad, you know. And Lenin

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Speaker 2: was like, no, we're not ready yet. But the uprising

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Speaker 2: was put down by the provisional government including Mensheviks and

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Speaker 2: s rs, and Lennon runs off to Finland. Street demonstrations

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Speaker 2: are banned, so the counter revolution, to be fair, started

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Speaker 2: before the Bolsheviks take power. Yeah, And like Kerensky's like

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Speaker 2: pretty explicit about this, I remember, right, like he's he's

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's also every single person in this like

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Speaker 2: Kkin wrote a history of the French Revolution that like

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Speaker 2: I think is longer than capital, Like every single one

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Speaker 2: of these people is. It's a French revolutionary history, nerd.

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Speaker 2: And Kerensky's thing is he's like I'm gonna like be

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Speaker 2: the directorate or something from the the front from the

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Speaker 2: French Revolution. So I'm gonna be the guy who comes

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Speaker 2: in after and like ends the revolution. Yeah, like produces

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Speaker 2: a stable government. So they all, like all these people

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Speaker 2: have their sort of I am this person, even though

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Speaker 2: Marx is very explicit that like don't do this, like

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Speaker 2: this is actually bad, but nobody listened to him, because welcome,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the history of Marxism, where no one listens

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Speaker 2: to Marx fair enough, and sometimes I'm really glad when

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Speaker 2: people don't listen. But there is some stuff everyone once

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Speaker 2: in a while, like he's more than stop clock, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's like he's wrong several times a day, not just twice,

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Speaker 2: but still not an act. But yeah, but so sometimes

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Speaker 2: he's like, don't put on the costumes of the previous revolution.

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Speaker 3: You have to. Well, I think it's exactly line. It

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Speaker 3: was like, the revolution must take us poetry from the future,

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Speaker 3: which I always loved. Yeah, the weight of dead generations

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Speaker 3: or whatever, what is the Yeah, the memory of dead

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Speaker 3: generations weighs like a nightmare on the minds of the living. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: another great one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So the counter revolution has begun. Soon enough,

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Speaker 2: Lennon will be back from Finland and he'll take power

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Speaker 2: in the October Revolution, which happens in November, of course,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about it on Wednesday, unless you follow

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Speaker 2: the Russian Old calendar, in which case it's Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: That's not true. I was trying to put the math

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Speaker 3: on that. I was like, I'm not a great.

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Speaker 2: Math person, but Yeah, weeks and dates are unrelated to

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Speaker 2: each other by in large. Yeah, but what is related to.

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Speaker 3: Nothing?

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Speaker 2: This is the worst segue I've ever had, is Mia,

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Speaker 2: what do you do with your life that people could

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Speaker 2: pay attention to?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: I do a podcast called a kadap in here that

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Speaker 3: also has some truly abominable segues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fun time job you gets me up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: It's the segue from waiting it anyway. Sorry.

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Speaker 3: I start doing it in real life and I'm just like,

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Speaker 3: oh no, it's too late for me. I'm too far gone.

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Speaker 2: It's all I do it in my collective meetings, and

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Speaker 2: people kind of enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: I think so annoying.

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Speaker 1: You have to be friends with other people who get

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Speaker 1: it because they do it too, and then it's just normal.

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Speaker 1: But if you're ever around people who are just not podcasts,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the people that work in the podcast space,

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Speaker 1: but that like are not podcast listeners, they look at

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Speaker 1: you like, I'm sorry, are you okay? And it's like yes,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, here's a fun fact about how

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Speaker 1: okay I am podcast.

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Speaker 3: Promod Bye. We will win with that. See you Wednesday.

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