WEBVTT - Death of a Demagogue, Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone Media. There was still a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>snow on the ground and Ellsworth, Maine as the sun

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<v Speaker 1>began to set. On March seventeenth, nineteen sixty eight, Claudia

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<v Speaker 1>and Frank Smith had been informed by a neighbor that

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<v Speaker 1>a suspicious looking car with out of state plates had

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<v Speaker 1>been driving back and forth past their house all weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and by Sunday evening, Frank had had enough. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get a good look at the driver. With Claudia

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<v Speaker 1>at the wheel, the couple began following the mysterious Volkswagen

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<v Speaker 1>that had been shadowing them for two days. Who was

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<v Speaker 1>chasing who? Who loaded his gun first? No one can

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<v Speaker 1>quite agree. By the time the dust had settled, two

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<v Speaker 1>members of the American Nazi Party had spent the better

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<v Speaker 1>part of an hour exchanging gunfire. Somehow no one was injured,

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<v Speaker 1>but both cars were riddled with bullet holes. After Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>Vidniyevitch was taken into custody, an officer overheard Frank Smith

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<v Speaker 1>ask him, what was the reason? I thought we were friends?

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason should have been obvious to Frank. Surely

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<v Speaker 1>he knew why. A loyal lieutenant of the American Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>Party would take a shot at him. They were both

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<v Speaker 1>men on a mission, the same mission. In fact, they

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<v Speaker 1>were both conducting their own investigation into the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>George Lincoln Waqua, I'm Molly Conger, and this is where

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<v Speaker 1>little Gods, that shootout in Maine took place. More than

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<v Speaker 1>six months after George Lincoln Rockwell died. His killer had

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<v Speaker 1>already been convicted of murder. But a closed case file

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<v Speaker 1>never stopped at conspiracy theory. You know that. And before

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<v Speaker 1>we can get into why Frank Smith believes John Patler

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do it, we have to get up to the

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<v Speaker 1>point in our story where he did. When we left

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<v Speaker 1>off last week, it was nineteen sixty three. John Patler

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<v Speaker 1>had been allowed to rejoin the American Nazi Party after

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<v Speaker 1>failing spectacularly at his brief attempt to lead a splinter group.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the protests of most everyone who'd known John Patler,

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<v Speaker 1>Rockwell welcomed him home again. I struggled a bit this

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<v Speaker 1>week with the question of where to focus this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be easy enough to take a straightforward chronological

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<v Speaker 1>journey through the activities of the American Nazi Party in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen sixties. There are some good stories in

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<v Speaker 1>there some wild anecdotes that I'm sure I'll revisit some

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<v Speaker 1>other time through the lens of some other weird little

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<v Speaker 1>guy who was there for them. After all, this show

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<v Speaker 1>is just one long story told out of order. Listeners

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<v Speaker 1>with long memories might remember I actually talked briefly about

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<v Speaker 1>George Lincoln Rockwall's nineteen sixty five campaign for governor of

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia in an episode last fall. It was a story

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<v Speaker 1>about the history of Virginia's crossburning laws, so I reserve

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<v Speaker 1>the right to come back to nineteen sixty five another day.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to think I wasted half my week collecting

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<v Speaker 1>old newspaper clippings about events I'm skipping over entirely. But

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<v Speaker 1>what I found most interesting in piezing together this timeline

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<v Speaker 1>is the question of why why did John Patler murder

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<v Speaker 1>George Lincoln Rockwell in August of nineteen sixty seven. Truthfully,

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<v Speaker 1>no one knows, But in the absence of that elusive truth,

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<v Speaker 1>competing and conflicting narratives arose, and the question becomes what

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<v Speaker 1>motivates those Even when you can't sort out what the

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<v Speaker 1>truth actually is, trying to discern the motivations behind those

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<v Speaker 1>half truths can shed some light on things. So instead

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<v Speaker 1>of telling you about every time a member of the

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<v Speaker 1>American Nazi Party got arrested for disorderly conduct at a

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<v Speaker 1>rally that got out of hand, every trip across the

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<v Speaker 1>country to disrupt a civil rights march, every wild stunt

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<v Speaker 1>pulled by a guy in a swastika armband. Instead of

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<v Speaker 1>all that, I want to ask you a question. What

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<v Speaker 1>is a white person? Who is white? That's easy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You know what a white person is. It's like what

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court said about pornography. You know when you

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<v Speaker 1>see it, But how do you know? Is it the

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<v Speaker 1>color of your skin? Is it the birthplace of your parents?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it your hair, your culture, your religion, your politics?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is white? Are people of Slavic descent white? Are

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<v Speaker 1>fair haired Northern Africans? Can a Jewish person be white?

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<v Speaker 1>Can a Communist be white? Italians are Europeans? Surely that

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<v Speaker 1>makes them white. But what about a dark haired, olive

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<v Speaker 1>skin Sicilian. I'm no sociologist, I'm not an expert on

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of race as a social construct. But for me,

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<v Speaker 1>the clearest evidence that the boundaries of whiteness are constantly shifting,

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<v Speaker 1>that the definition is a highly politicized moving target that

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<v Speaker 1>whiteness is something that can be given and taken away.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the fact that the most racist people on the

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<v Speaker 1>planet are usually the ones writing and rewriting that definition.

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<v Speaker 1>In the American South, we had the one drop rule.

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<v Speaker 1>The faintest trace of black ancestry excluded you from whiteness.

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<v Speaker 1>But without DNA testing or consistent record keeping, how could

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<v Speaker 1>you know who had a black great grandmother. In apartheid

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa, the law required all people to be officially

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<v Speaker 1>registered with the government as black, white, colored, or Indian.

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<v Speaker 1>But how you were classified wasn't up to you. It

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<v Speaker 1>was determined by someone else, not just based on how

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<v Speaker 1>you looked, but how you lived, what language do you

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<v Speaker 1>speak at home, how educated are you, how poor are you?

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't uncommon for members of the same family,

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<v Speaker 1>children with the same parents to end up classified differently

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<v Speaker 1>by the government. And famously, Germany adopted the Nuremberg Claws

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty five, codifying a definition of who is

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<v Speaker 1>German and who is Jewish. In all three of these

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<v Speaker 1>chapters of history, those who fell outside the legal boundaries

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<v Speaker 1>of whiteness were excluded from the benefits of citizenship and

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't just governments who have struggled with classifying who

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<v Speaker 1>exactly should be excluded. You'd think that no one would

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<v Speaker 1>be more firm than the Ku Klux Klan when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to defining whiteness. But the Klan had to hold

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<v Speaker 1>a vote in the mid nineteen seventies to determine whether

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<v Speaker 1>white immigrants and Catholics were white enough to don white robes.

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<v Speaker 1>For George Lincoln Rockwell and his American Nazi Party, the

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<v Speaker 1>parameters were set by Hitler himself. Rockwell was America's Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least he hoped to be. He wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>repeating some of the same ideas Hitler had in Nazi Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>He felt he was Hitler's spiritual successor. His Nazi Party

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<v Speaker 1>headquarters were adorned with gigantic swastika banners, and his storm

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<v Speaker 1>troopers wore Nazi uniforms. He founded the American Nazi Party

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<v Speaker 1>after weeks of intense, vivid dreams that always ended when

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<v Speaker 1>he walked into a room to find Adolf Hitler sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there waiting for him to arrive. He through a birthday

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<v Speaker 1>celebration for Hitler every year on April twentieth, the first

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<v Speaker 1>full issue of the party's newsletter was far from the

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<v Speaker 1>only one to bear a photo of Hitler on the

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<v Speaker 1>front cover. He dedicated his nineteen sixty one memoir to Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>and in that memoir, Rockwell is pretty clear what he

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<v Speaker 1>means when he talks about the white race. He's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about blonde, blue eyed Aryans, Hitler's Aryan race, people of

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<v Speaker 1>Nordic and Germanic heritage. He lists Slavs, Italians, and Greeks

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<v Speaker 1>in the same sentence as Chinese and Japanese immigrants. These

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<v Speaker 1>are minority groups. These are races outside his definition of whiteness.

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<v Speaker 1>But in nineteen sixty five, the commander of the American

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party was starting to wonder if he was using

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong definition of whiteness. Rockwell's political philosophy had always

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<v Speaker 1>relied on the legacy of Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>but the United States in nineteen sixty five didn't exactly

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<v Speaker 1>have the same concentration of Germans as Germany. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five, it was becoming painfully clear that without broadening

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<v Speaker 1>this definition of whiteness, he would never have enough white

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<v Speaker 1>people to do anything with it all, and the movement

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<v Speaker 1>would be doomed. Even in predominantly white areas, American born

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<v Speaker 1>Protestants of pure Nordic or German blood were usually outnumbered

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<v Speaker 1>by Catholics, first generation white immigrants, and people whose ancestors

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<v Speaker 1>came from southern or Eastern Europe. He wasn't abandoning Hitler's

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<v Speaker 1>vision exactly. He was just adapting it for an American movement.

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<v Speaker 1>This idea of a broader coalition of whites was on

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<v Speaker 1>Rockwell's mind as early as nineteen sixty five, but the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of that is own only in his private letters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not until nineteen sixty six that the perfect opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for rebranding the movement landed right in his lap, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when he invented the phrase white power, or so

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<v Speaker 1>the story goes. In June of nineteen sixty six, Stokely Carmichael,

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<v Speaker 1>who was not yet called Kuame Toure, gave a speech

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<v Speaker 1>in Greenwood, Mississippi. The words black power had been spoken

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<v Speaker 1>before plenty of times. Richard Wright wrote a book in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty four called Black Power. Grace Lee Boggs founded

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<v Speaker 1>the Organization for Black Power in nineteen sixty five. Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Clayton Powell Junior, a congressman representing Harlem, used the phrase

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<v Speaker 1>in a speech earlier in nineteen sixty six, But for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, when Stokely Carmichael said those words in Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 1>they stuck, and black power entered the broader American lexicon.

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<v Speaker 1>Paper archives from that week show a sudden explosion of

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<v Speaker 1>articles and op eds about black power, What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>What does it mean? What do they want? Should we

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<v Speaker 1>be afraid? And biographies of George Lincoln Rockwell all credit

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<v Speaker 1>Rockwell with the invention of the phrase white power as

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<v Speaker 1>a direct response to Stokely Carmichael. And that's kind of true.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it is at least as true as it

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<v Speaker 1>would be to say that Stokely Carmichael invented the phrase

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<v Speaker 1>black power. He didn't, but he popularized it. But William

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<v Speaker 1>Schmaltz's twenty thirteen biography says that Rockwell coined the term

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time while speaking at a rally in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>So I figured, if the first popular usage of black

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<v Speaker 1>power spawned a thousand hand ringing op eds, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>the first time someone shouted white power, it probably at

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<v Speaker 1>least an ended up in the newspaper. And it did.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't Rockwell who said it. Chicago newspapers on

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<v Speaker 1>the morning of August first, nineteen sixty six ran headlines

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<v Speaker 1>like white mob battles Negro marchers and sixty injured as

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<v Speaker 1>angry crowd breaks up rights march, and the articles all

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<v Speaker 1>describe a very violent, large white mob attacking a few

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<v Speaker 1>hundred black civil rights marchers near Chicago's Marquette Park, and

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<v Speaker 1>the people throwing rocks at the marchers were all screaming

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<v Speaker 1>white power. So far, this all makes sense with what

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<v Speaker 1>I already know about that summer. There were several famously

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<v Speaker 1>violent assaults on civil rights marches in and around Marquette

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<v Speaker 1>Park that summer, and Rockwell did speak at some of

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<v Speaker 1>those events. But I double checked my timeline. Rockwell didn't

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<v Speaker 1>speak at Marquette Park until August twenty first, So who's

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<v Speaker 1>yelling white power in the park three weeks earlier. A

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<v Speaker 1>definitive answer to that question is probably lost a time,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I found what could be the earliest

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<v Speaker 1>recording of someone using the phrase white power movement to

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<v Speaker 1>describe the thing we know it as today.

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<v Speaker 2>How mister Carmichael, if I may interrupt, you may see

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<v Speaker 2>right here an indication of where mister Rockwell is aligning

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<v Speaker 2>you as the antithesis of his movement, a white supremacy

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<v Speaker 2>or I think he a white power movement. I think

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<v Speaker 2>here is no question about it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Chicago area news anchor John J. Madigan on the

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<v Speaker 1>July twenty ninth, nineteen sixty six episode of his political

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<v Speaker 1>discussion show at Random. The guests that evening were Stokely

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<v Speaker 1>Carmichael and George Lincoln Rockwell. It's not until nearly the

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<v Speaker 1>end of that hour long segment that Rockwell seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have grabbed hold of the phrase, and he makes an

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<v Speaker 1>ominous statement about the violence that would visit Chicago in

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<v Speaker 1>the weeks to come.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we're building up to an inevitable confrontation

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<v Speaker 2>between blackfire and whackfire. Am.

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<v Speaker 1>I let's this omissions you used. Just two days after

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<v Speaker 1>this segment aired, The phrase white power is suddenly on

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<v Speaker 1>the lips of this white mob setting cars on fire

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<v Speaker 1>in south side Chicago. It's what they were screaming as

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<v Speaker 1>they hurled rocks at the nuns who marched with the

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrators from the Coordinating Council of Community Organizations the following

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<v Speaker 1>weekend that screaming white mob faced off again with civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights marchers, This time Martin Luther King Junior himself was

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<v Speaker 1>in town to lead the march, part of a series

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<v Speaker 1>of demonstrations that summer centered around housing discrimination. King wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>live to see the fruits of the slabor but the

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Freedom Movement is generally credited as the driving force

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<v Speaker 1>behind the passage of the Fair Housing Act, which was

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<v Speaker 1>signed into law just a week after his death in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight. But on this day, August fifth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six, Martin Luther King Junior was struck in the

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<v Speaker 1>face with a rock as he entered Marquette Park, so

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<v Speaker 1>hard that he fell to his knees and the crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>The crowd was all screaming white power as the rocks

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<v Speaker 1>ranged down. King later told reporters quote, I've been in

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<v Speaker 1>many demonstrations all across the South, but I can say

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<v Speaker 1>that I have never seen, even in Mississippi and Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>mobs as hostile and as hate filled as I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago. And Rockwell was thrilled this was all the

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<v Speaker 1>proof he needed. Limiting himself to Hitler's ideas of racial

0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:01.680
<v Speaker 1>purity was holding him back. It was an aryan superiority.

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<v Speaker 1>It was white power that had united those racist throngs

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago. These people throwing rocks at Martin Luther King

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<v Speaker 1>Junior were white, sure, but they weren't Arian. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>them were Polish and Lithuanian, the kinds of white he

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't tried to appeal to before. But white power, white

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<v Speaker 1>power brought them together and it could be the way forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Rockwell couldn't make it out to Chicago right away, but

0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.520
<v Speaker 1>he got to work. The party's printing press, housed in

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<v Speaker 1>a converted henhouse in rural Spotsovania County, Virginia, ran all

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<v Speaker 1>night long, churning out signs that said white Power. As

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<v Speaker 1>soon as Rockwell could scrape together the funds for a

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<v Speaker 1>plane ticket, he flew his most loyal lieutenant out to

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago to try to take advantage of this violent momentum.

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<v Speaker 1>John Patler arrived at O'Hare Airport with a suitcase full

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<v Speaker 1>of white power posters on August fourteenth. As I was

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<v Speaker 1>poring over the newspaper archives from August of nineteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I found a name attached to a

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<v Speaker 1>chant of white power? Was it that march on August fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>It had been chanted by the crowd on July thirty

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<v Speaker 1>first and on August fifth. But in all of those

0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.879
<v Speaker 1>stories it's not coming from anyone's mouth. In particular, it

0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:33.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't say where it started. So if the newspaper is

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<v Speaker 1>any official record of history, the first man to stand

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<v Speaker 1>in front of a crowd and lead an organized chant

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<v Speaker 1>of white power wasn't George Lincoln Rockwell. It was the

0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:49.000
<v Speaker 1>man who would shoot Rockwell dead almost exactly a year later.

0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.800
<v Speaker 1>It was John Patler standing on a bench in Marquette Park.

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<v Speaker 1>There is another, albeit slightly less cinematic possibility. As thrilling

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<v Speaker 1>as it is to put the first public rallying cry

0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.879
<v Speaker 1>of Rockwell's most famous slogan into the mouth of his killer,

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<v Speaker 1>I can at least speculate about the identity of the

0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.080
<v Speaker 1>nameless member of that crowd who may have started the

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<v Speaker 1>chant the first time. If nothing else, this is an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to introduce you more fully to the man who

0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.280
<v Speaker 1>opened fire on that couple in Maine. In nineteen sixty eight,

0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.359
<v Speaker 1>the American Nazi Party had an office in Chicago. John

0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Patler was living in Virginia, where the party had its

0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.840
<v Speaker 1>headquarters and he flew out to Chicago a week after

0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King Junior was hit with that rock. But

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that first week in August, there were members of the

0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.040
<v Speaker 1>American Nazi Party in the crowd, and they may have

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<v Speaker 1>been the ones to get those chants going. The head

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<v Speaker 1>of the Chicago chapter of the American Nazi Party in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty six was a twenty two year old named

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Vidnyevitch. Now you know, I love to be thorough.

0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.760
<v Speaker 1>I love to make a whole timeline of the lives

0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.639
<v Speaker 1>of even the most ancillary characters in a story. I

0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.560
<v Speaker 1>guess I just love wasting my own time. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe at face value the biographical details that

0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I read in Nazi newsletters. But those newsletters make some

0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:27.159
<v Speaker 1>extraordinary claims about Vidnyevitch. He says that he joined the

0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.439
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party as a teenager because of his burning bone

0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>deep hatred of communists. That's pretty standard, But he says

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<v Speaker 1>that he hated communists because they murdered his father, and

0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.159
<v Speaker 1>it's a claim he would later repeat on the stand

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<v Speaker 1>under oath when he testified in his own trial for

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<v Speaker 1>shooting at Frank Smith in nineteen sixty eight. So I

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<v Speaker 1>did a little of my own digging. It might have

0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.760
<v Speaker 1>been faster in retrospect, who work backwards by assuming that

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.520
<v Speaker 1>he was telling the truth and searching for a man

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.360
<v Speaker 1>with that last name who was executed in Yugoslavia after

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the war. But that isn't what I did. The first

0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.280
<v Speaker 1>thing I found were naturalization records for a thirteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old boy named Kristo Vidnievitch, and on the back of

0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the card it was written that his name was changed

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<v Speaker 1>to Christopher when he gained his citizenship. And from there

0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I was able to find a new story from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven about a thirteen year old boy named Kristo

0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Vidniyevitch and his seventeen year old sister taking their oath

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<v Speaker 1>of citizenship in a courtroom in Chicago. By the time

0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.840
<v Speaker 1>they were naturalized, they'd been in the United States for

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<v Speaker 1>seven years. In nineteen fifty Lydia Vidnyevitch and her two children,

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<v Speaker 1>aged ten and six at the time, were listed as

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<v Speaker 1>stateless when they arrived at the port of New York

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.240
<v Speaker 1>aboard a ship that had sailed from Germany. So I

0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.679
<v Speaker 1>kept digging, and I found a document produced by the

0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Internet National Refugee organization. In nineteen forty eight, Lydyavidnyevitch's application

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<v Speaker 1>for refugee status was denied, and the stated reason is

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<v Speaker 1>quote petitioner is a crow up woman from Zagreb who

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<v Speaker 1>is evacuated by the Germans to Austria in December nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty four, with a number of other women and children

0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.880
<v Speaker 1>whose husbands were left behind by reason of their official functions.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the very good impression which applicant has made upon

0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the board, there are reasons to believe that only the

0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:35.120
<v Speaker 1>wives of persons who assisted the Germans were taken care

0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.600
<v Speaker 1>of by the Wehrmacht. She later filed an appeal and

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.560
<v Speaker 1>was ultimately deemed eligible for refugee status because the family

0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.600
<v Speaker 1>could not be safely repatriated to Yugoslavia due to threats

0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 1>from someone quote moved by a spirit of revenge for

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:58.200
<v Speaker 1>actions of Petitioner's husband. Well, now I'm committed. I need

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to know what the story is here. I'm so far

0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 1>afield of what I was supposed to be working on,

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.159
<v Speaker 1>and there's really no excuse for a digression this long.

0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.480
<v Speaker 1>But I had to know what it was that this

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.879
<v Speaker 1>man had done that might move someone's spirit that way,

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.679
<v Speaker 1>So I spent an entire day trying to find and

0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:22.359
<v Speaker 1>translate documentation about war crimes tribunals in Yugoslavia. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty five, when Lydia Vidnyevitch spoke to a reporter at

0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:31.160
<v Speaker 1>her children's naturalization ceremony, she said that she had last

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<v Speaker 1>heard from her husband by letter in May of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty five, when he was attempting to cross the border

0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:40.919
<v Speaker 1>into Austria. She neglected to mention that his letter was

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<v Speaker 1>written shortly after the remnants of the fascist government of

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Croatia attempted to flee to Austria and before he was

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<v Speaker 1>captured by the British Army and sent back to face

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 1>a tribunal. He was executed a month later. Christopher Vidnyevitch's

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:04.080
<v Speaker 1>father wasn't just a Nazi collaborator, he was a war criminal.

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Ivan Vitnyevitch was tried alongside several high ranking officials of

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi puppet government that carried out mass murder in

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Croatia in the nineteen forties. Lydia told that reporter in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty seven that her husband had been a judge

0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 1>in Zagreb, but he was a judge in name only.

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.120
<v Speaker 1>He was the presiding judge of Zagreb's mobile Court Martial,

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:32.159
<v Speaker 1>an instrument of the Ustasha Rejim's program of mass murder,

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 1>these judges roamed the country carrying out show trials. The

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 1>trials lasted mere minutes, and the accused had no chance

0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 1>to speak for himself. The defendant was always guilty and

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>the sentence was almost always death. He would try dozens

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 1>of people at once for crimes as minor as reading

0:23:53.400 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 1>forbidden political pamphlets, or simply for being Serbian or Romani Jewish.

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:06.359
<v Speaker 1>In one afternoon in nineteen forty one, Ivan Vitnyevitch sentenced

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 1>one hundred people to die at the Yasenovats concentration camp.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, I guess Christopher Vidnyevitch isn't technically wrong when

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 1>he said Communists killed his father, but it was only

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.320
<v Speaker 1>after he stood trial for handing down death sentences for

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>thousands of Jews, Serbs, Roma and political dissidence. A long tangent,

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I know, but I think it's worth knowing that one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most fervent, violent supporters of Rockwell's Nazi Party,

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 1>this young man whipping up crowds that beats civil rights

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>marchers every weekend all summer in Chicago in nineteen sixty six.

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 1>He was a true believer. He wasn't misguided, he wasn't confused.

0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:01.880
<v Speaker 1>He knew exactly what it meant to call yourself a Nazi.

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>He knew exactly what he was advocating for and who

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 1>would have to die for him to get it. It

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:14.639
<v Speaker 1>wasn't ironic or edgy or joke when he put on

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>that swastika armband. He did it to fulfill his father's legacy.

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>But we were talking about white power. It's Rockwell who

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>gets credit for the term, even if it was a

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>TV news anchor who put the words in his head

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and his lieutenants who got those crowds to chant it.

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 1>In August of nineteen sixty six, Nazis raised hell in Chicago.

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 1>After Patler arrived in town on the fourteenth, he and

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Vitnyevitch whipped up an angry mob in Marquette Park. One

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>police officer called the resulting violence the closest thing he'd

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:07.719
<v Speaker 1>ever seen to an all out war. In his rousing

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 1>speech from the park bench, John Patler announced to the

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>crowd that Rockwell himself would be speaking in that very

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>spot the next weekend. The August twenty first rally was

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<v Speaker 1>George Lincoln Rockwell's finest hour. He'd never commanded such an audience,

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and he never would again. Sure, he'd spoken to huge

0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>theaters of people, but this was different. Thousands of people

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>were there not to gawk at the Nazi, not to protest,

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>not to heckel, but because they wanted to hear him speak.

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>A few lone hecklers were quickly handled by the crowd,

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 1>but the people who were there were enthralled by him.

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>This was no college auditorium full of curious skeptics and

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:02.160
<v Speaker 1>silent protesters. This was a roaring crowd. And standing atop

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:05.400
<v Speaker 1>his camper with a giant swastika banner draped down the side,

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Rockwell capped off his speech by asking the crowd to

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 1>yell white power, loud enough for Martin Luther King Junior

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>to hear them on the other side of town. Over

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and over again, he led them in a call in response,

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 1>yelling white and basking in the response as thousands of

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 1>voices responded power. Years later, when James Mason was writing

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the newsletter, they would eventually be collected into the book Siege,

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that bible of the modern neo Nazi terrorist He called

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:45.199
<v Speaker 1>this the Apex Moment of the nineteen sixties. But the

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>magic was short lived. Martin Luther King Junior moved on

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>from Chicago to other cities, and it turned out the

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 1>racist white people of Chicago didn't actually like George Lincoln Rockwell.

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 1>They just really hate the civil rights movement. But it

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 1>was proof still for Rockwell that white power was the

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 1>way forward. By the end of nineteen sixty six, Rockwell

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>was drafting his final book, White Power, although he had

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>no way of knowing he would die just days before

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>it was released. On January first, nineteen sixty seven, he

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>issued a formal announcement to party members that they were rebranding.

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>The American Nazi Party would from that day forward be

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>called the National Socialist White People's Party. The mandatory sea

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>khuiles would be replaced with shouts of white power. In

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the director of announcing the change, Rockwell wrote quote, we

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 1>must strive among our white family of people to include

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>all and alienate no white non Jews. He was commanding

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 1>his Nazis to stand shoulder to shoulder and to accept

0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 1>as equals lesser whites. Not everyone shared the commander's vision.

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>There was a growing schism within the party, those who

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>accepted this new commitment to a pan white unity, and

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>those who could never accept any departure from a strict

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 1>interpretation of Hitler's racial philosophy of Varian superiority. This new

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>expanded definition of whiteness was offensive to Nazi hardliners and

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>factions formed. For men like Mattias Cole and William Luther Piers.

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>It was unthinkable that lesser races like Slavs or Greeks

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>could be included in the party's ranks, and John Patler,

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the son of Greek immigrants, with his dark hair and

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>his dark eyes, became the living, breathing manifestation of this

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 1>heresy that was threatening to tear the organization apart. William

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Luther Piers hated John Patler. That's important to remember as

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>we move into the messy work of trying to sort

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>fact from fiction. In everyone's account of what happened in

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the weeks before Rockwell was murdered, Pierce was not shy

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that he was disgusted by Patler's presence

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>in the party. Even decades later, not long before his

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>own death in two thousand and two, heerce recalled to

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>his own biographer that Patler was a quote dark, greasy

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>looking little guy, and he was always scheming. Rockwell was

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>fully committed to his new vision. He was contemplating another

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.239
<v Speaker 1>run for office, and this approach had the potential to

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>broaden his appeal. America is full of racists, He'd led

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>them on marches up and down the streets of Chicago.

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>But no matter how racist they are, no matter how

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:58.239
<v Speaker 1>many beliefs they share with Rockwell, a huge chunk of

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>voting age men in America in nineteen sixty six had

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the living memory of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>No amount of shared racism could overcome their visceral disgust

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>for the swastika on his shoulder, even if they hated

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Jews as much as he did. But replacing the swastika

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 1>with an eagle, swapping the sea kile for white power,

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>and preaching a message of white unity, of white power

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>in this time of a hysterical white fear of black power,

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>that could help him get his message to the masses.

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>That could earn him thousands of new followers. But he

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>was painfully aware of the need to convince the followers

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>he already had. First, he couldn't afford to lose them.

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Rockwell urged John Patler to be patient, to be diplomatic,

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to let the commander handle it, but Patler was still

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the same volatile, paranoid man he'd been a decade earlier,

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>when a court ordered psychiatric evaluation ominously predicted that he

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>may one day commit murder. So tensions were high at

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi Party barracks. Perhaps if he'd kept his head down,

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Rockwell would have eventually achieved party discipline on the new messaging,

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 1>but instead Patler stoked conflict. He was reprimanded for calling

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>another Stormtrooper a blue eyed devil. He fell behind on

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>his duties as publisher of Stormtrooper, the party's quarterly magazine,

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and as the man in charge of the printing press.

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He dragged his feet when Rockwell ordered him to assist

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Willie Luther Pearce in producing Pearce's new publication called National

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Socialist World. Aside from the existing racial animosity between them,

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>it seems like Patler saw National Socialist World as a

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>competitor to The Stormtrooper, which was his magazine, and with

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Pierce on the scene with his own publication, he was

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>worried that he would lose favor that he would lose power.

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>When Rockwell assigned another party member to assist Patler at

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the printing press since he was falling so behind in

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.239
<v Speaker 1>his work, Patler turned the man away and wouldn't let

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>him in the building because that man's views fell more

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>on the pro Nordic side of the schism. So he's

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>causing problems on purpose, and he's got a bad attitude,

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't have a lot of people on his side.

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 1>The only person really on his side through all of

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 1>this is George Lincoln Rockwell, so that counts for a lot.

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 1>But he's becoming a liability. The breaking point finally came

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>in March of nineteen sixty seven. The last straw is

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>never really the most significant one, but when Rockwell arrived

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 1>back home in Virginia after a court appearance in Chicago,

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 1>he found Paller had once again left his post without permission.

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 1>He'd been shirking his duties for months, sometimes disappearing for

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>a week at a time without telling anyone. During Rockwall's

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 1>Midwest college speaking tour over the winter, the pair had

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.919
<v Speaker 1>argued when Patler demanded money for airfare to fly home

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>to take care of his father in law, who he

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>said was ill. Rockwell gave in that time, but Patler

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>had abused the commander's leniency for the last time. Biographies

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of Rockwell characterized the memo drafted on March thirtieth, nineteen

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, as an ordered dismissing Patler from the party.

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 1>But I've read it and I don't agree. The two

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>page document bears the subject modification of duties. Of the

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>thirteen numbered paragraphs, the first seven outlines the reason Patler

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 1>is being disciplined. He's been at sent from his post

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>without permission. He's only produced two issues of Stormtrooper over

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the past year. He's abusing his editorial control of the

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>magazine by printing statements without Rockwell's sign off. Pretty straightforward stuff,

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 1>But the tone shifts when Rockwell gets to the thing

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that's actually bothering him. Quote. You have continuously produced catastrophic

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>division and hatred between party members, berated other party officers

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>in the presence of troops, allowed your personal life to

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>cause the disaffection of workers in the party to the

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>point of near explosion, particularly in Chicago. And you have

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.799
<v Speaker 1>done precisely the same thing you did last time before

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>you ran out on the party with Dan Burroughs to

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>try to set up your own party. You have agitated

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>and irritated everybody around you until I have on my

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 1>hands a series of near mutinies and upheavals. He seems bothered.

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Rockwell goes on to say that he will no longer

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>tolerate the disruption of Patler's quote damnable, constant emphasis on

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the dark's verse, life's controversy, and his quote irrational inferiority

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 1>complex over being Greek and dark. He says that none

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>of that matters to him. He's always been committed to

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 1>white unity. It's Patler who's making this a problem. I

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know why everyone's surprised that there's racism at the

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party headquarters, but that was the problem. But he

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't dismiss Patler from the party. That's not what this

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>letter says. Quote. You have left me no honorable choice

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.359
<v Speaker 1>but to discipline you as severely as it is in

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>my power short of ejecting you from the party. I

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>could also do that, but I do recognize your value

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>to the cause and your dedication there two. The discipline

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 1>he imposed was definitely humiliating, for sure. Rockwell sent Mattia's

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>coal to cut the lock off Patler's bedroom door at

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 1>the party's property in Spotsylvania County, which he knew would

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:21.840
<v Speaker 1>bother Patler because the men hated each other. But Patler

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>was only relieved of his duties at the printing press.

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.400
<v Speaker 1>He was reassigned to live at the party's barracks in Arlington,

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>where he would continue to edit and publish Stormtrooper Magazine

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 1>under Rockwell's direct personal supervision. Honestly, it's barely a punishment.

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Patler hated being assigned to the Spotsylvania property. It was

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>way out in the country and far from his family.

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>That's part of why he kept leaving his post. Moving

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>back to Arlington would put him closer to his family.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>By this time, he'd married his second wife and they

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 1>had two young sons. But he did not take the

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 1>letter well. Despite what looks to me like a clear

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 1>statement that he's not kicked out of the party, Patler

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>walked away. Surviving letters that Patler wrote to another member

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>of the party in April and may do show that

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>he was angry. He was angry with Rockwell, he was

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 1>angry with the party. It was a lot like when

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>he walked away in nineteen sixty one with Dan Burrows.

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, he spent a few months cursing Rockwell's name,

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and he got over it. They'd been through this before.

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>They'd known each other for nearly a decade. Hatler was

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>one of Rockwell's very first followers, and aside from all

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the times that he did quit, he was loyal. They

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>were close, and Rockwell had always forgiven him before, and

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>it seems Patler was willing to forgive too. In one letter,

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 1>he wrote that summer he not only forgave Rockwell for

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>sleeping with his wife, he gave the commander his blessing

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>to continue the affair if he wanted to, writing, if

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Alice wants to make it with you, I wouldn't object.

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:20.280
<v Speaker 1>That's the truth. In his final letter to Rockwell, Patler wrote,

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel so much better after talking to you. I

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>want so badly to get back into the spirit of

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>things and push for you all the way. I don't

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 1>think there are two people on earth who think and

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 1>feel the same as we do. You are a very

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>important part of my life. I need you as much

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>as you need me. Without you, there is no future.

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>There's no evidence that Rockwell ever wrote back, but Christopher

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.919
<v Speaker 1>Vidnyevitch testified at trial that Rockwell directed him to meet

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>with Patler several times that summer to discuss reconciliation. Contrary

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to the tone of Patler's own letters, Vidnyevitch paints a

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:07.280
<v Speaker 1>picture of a spiteful, bitter man plotting revenge, claiming Patler

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>told him quote Rockwell is an evil genius and he

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>must be stopped.

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I should be clear with you before we go any further.

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 1>John Patler murdered George Lincoln Rockwell. He did. He was

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>convicted at trial, which makes it legally true. But is

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it true? I think so based on my own reading

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>of the evidence against him, I'm convinced the jury reached

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the correct verdict. Patler himself has never accepted responsibility for

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 1>the crime, and there are a handful of holdouts with

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories to this day. But on the question of

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>who pulled the trigger, I have no doubt that it

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 1>was John Patler. So that's not why I spent days

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to itemize these small discrepancies in every recorded account

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>of the events leading of to Rockwell's death. I'm not

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 1>searching for an alternate suspect I'm just curious about what

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:09.280
<v Speaker 1>people might be trying to gain by muddying the truth.

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Because everyone is every account of what happened after that

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>memo in March has to be weighed against the motivations

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.800
<v Speaker 1>of the man telling the story. Take Vidnyevitch, for example.

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>His trial testimony is the only source for the claim

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>that Rockwell asked him to meet with Patler in June.

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 1>But why would Rockwell assign that task to Vidnyevitch. The

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 1>pair had worked closely together in Chicago the summer before,

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>but Vidnievitch was firmly in the Aryan superiority camp in

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>this schism. He was with Matias Kohle. He was a

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>fanatical racist. He joined the American Nazi Party to follow

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:54.799
<v Speaker 1>in the footsteps of his father, a Nazi collaborator and

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 1>a Croatian nationalist who was executed for his role in

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the ethnic cleansing of Serbs. He would have been a

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:05.720
<v Speaker 1>poor choice to extend the olive branch to Patler that summer,

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>but his testimony at trial was convincing enough that when

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court of Virginia upheld Patler's conviction, Vignievitch's testimony

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that Patler had made those threats in June was the

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>only evidence they cited as a motive. And then we

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>have Matias Cole, who said that when he was watching

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Patler pack his things after being relieved of his duties

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 1>at the Spotsylvanian property, he just kept muttering over and

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>over again, He's making a mistake. He'll be sorry. An

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 1>ominous statement, to be sure, if he said it. But

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Cole is also the source of claims made just hours

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:50.239
<v Speaker 1>after Rockwell's death that Patler had been expelled from the

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>party because of his Bolshevik leanings because Communist thought kept

0:42:56.120 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 1>creeping into his work. Matias Cole had been the loudest

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>voice within the party against Rockwell's shift away from Hitler's

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.759
<v Speaker 1>ideas about Germanic racial purity, a matter he rectified when

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 1>he seized control of the party immediately after Rockwell's death.

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I know that sounds like I'm trying to present alternate

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>suspects and conspiracy theories. I'm not Hatler did it, but

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>in their attempts to keep their own secrets and to

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 1>write politically advantageous versions of history, they created the perfect

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 1>conditions for conspiracy theories that will never die. I never

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>get as far as I think I'm going to when

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I start writing an episode. I skimmed over the entirety

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen sixty four nineteen sixty five so I could

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>get to the end of this murder trial. And I

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.920
<v Speaker 1>haven't even gotten to the murder itself yet. And I

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 1>guess I'll never have a chance to tell you about

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>all those weird FBI memos I found from various members

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:03.839
<v Speaker 1>of the American Nazi contacting the FBI to accuse each

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>other of killing JFK. Some other day, maybe, But there

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>was just something so intriguing to me about this internal

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>struggle over the optics of white power. Rockwell wasn't getting

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:24.280
<v Speaker 1>soft on racism in nineteen sixty six. He was trying

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 1>to find a practical way to inflict that racism on

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>a wider audience. He still believed in killing every Jewish, homosexual,

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and black person in the country when he finally got power.

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>He was just refining the sales pitch to increase the

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>odds that he'd get that power. And John Patler wasn't

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:52.280
<v Speaker 1>kicked out of the party for being a communist. If anything,

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 1>he was the member of the party most closely aligned

0:44:55.160 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>with Rockwell. Plenty of people hated George Lincoln rock Well.

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:04.879
<v Speaker 1>People hated him for being a Nazi. Nazis hated him

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.319
<v Speaker 1>for failing to live up to Hitler's legacy. But the

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>man who shot him, he didn't hate him at all.

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Next week, George Lincoln Rockwell will die. There's no way

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 1>that episode doesn't get to the big moment I've been

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>working up to all this time. Rockwell gets shot, Patler

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 1>goes to trial, and the Nazis left in their wake

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:33.760
<v Speaker 1>get to work trying to rewrite history and claim Rockwell's legacy.

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 1>And I promise I haven't forgotten that strange little incident.

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 1>It's last week, but maybe it's for the best that

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't make it up to nineteen seventy six. I

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:48.959
<v Speaker 1>meant to drive across town this week to double check

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 1>my recollection. When John Patler was arrested for trespassing. The

0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 1>news story listed the address, and I swear to God,

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.279
<v Speaker 1>I think I went to a couple of parties in

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 1>college at the house where John Patler once got caught

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>having an orgy. There really is something cursed about Charlottesville.

0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Weird Little Guys is a production of Cool Zone Media

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written and recorded by me, Molly Conger.

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Our executive producers are Sophie Lieuchdmann and Robert Evans. The

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 1>show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan that

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the music was composed by Brad Dickert. You can email

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:44.439
<v Speaker 1>me at Weird Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com.

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:46.439
<v Speaker 1>I will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer.

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It's nothing personal. You can exchange conspiracy theories about the

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 1>show with other listeners on the Weird Little Guys subreddit.

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Just don't post anything that's going to make you one

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<v Speaker 1>of my Weird Little Guys