WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Lalah Hathaway 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.800 Of course. Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:10.080 classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Hey, 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:10.800 what's going on, y'all? 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:15.560 This is Fante Fonteglo here with this week's QLs classic. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.520 This week we talked to my friend, my family, my 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:20.560 dear friend. One of the best singers on the planet. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.160 Grammy winning singer Layla had the way she talks about 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.800 carrying on her father Donnie's legacy, working with Prince, singing 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.320 phone notes at the same time like it ain't shit, 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.800 her deep love of video games, and plus we get 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:38.120 loads of wisdom, loads of words of wisdom from my 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:39.400 QS brother Sugar Steve. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.760 This is a great episode. Check it out. Originally state 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.479 was March twenty eight, twenty eighteen pre Roma. It was amazing. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.760 Check it out QLs Leila Hathaway QS classic. It's Fonteo Loo. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:01:05.520 Yeah, Supreme mother, some suprema roll called Suprema son supremo 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:13.720 role called Suprema suprema role called suprema so supremo roll. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:22.480 Sound of Layla's voice, Yeah yeah, but when she starts harmonizing, Yeah, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:29.640 Suprema supremo role called Suprema supremo roll. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.880 Call my name is Fante. Yeah, I'm cashing checks. Yeah 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.600 with my nigga Layla, watching some real sex. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:45.960 Suprema son Supremo, rod come Suprema, Suprema roll call. 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:47.160 My name is Sugar. 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:47.800 Yeah. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:55.560 I love Fela. Yeah, I love Dayla. Yeah, I love Tequila. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:05.040 Suprema some Suprea role still is flying yeah, flying high. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.800 Yeah when Layla sings, Yeah, baby don't cry roll. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:16.000 Suprema so SUPREMEA roll call Suprema some. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:17.840 Supreme roll call. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.880 It's like, yeah, been called Layla, Yeah, never really minded. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.320 Yeah because this girl stays playing you. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.760 Sorry, we're talking about my rod turn Suprema. Yeah, really 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:33.840 your turn Supreme my role call. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.040 My name is Layla, yeah, not Leila. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:51.120 Yeah, Supreme roll Suprema some some suprema role called Suprema 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:57.799 son Supremo, roll call Suprema s Suprea roll call. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:02.080 Shut up. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.280 My first I to give you the cord. The chord 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.639 was not really popping, just now it came out. There's 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:11.079 a lot of air. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.679 Okay, stop it. 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:18.400 What's going on on the air? 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:19.160 Stop it? 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:20.000 I just I don't know. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:24.160 I don't stop it. Something to do with Prince probably, yeah, okay, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:31.000 tell me. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, it'll come up another 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.480 episode of course, Love Supreme. I am quest love, I'm 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:40.880 still alive. Yeah, okay, wait, I'm just going to come 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:47.680 out and say it. Uh, that was the worst. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:48.520 Come out and say it. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.520 It's worth It's worth the wait. Okay, No, I'm gonna 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.600 be professional about this, all right. First of all, I 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.000 have to say, yeah, we have literally one of the 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:08.160 most brilliantly frightening singers ever to walk on this earth. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:14.200 Frightening. You've said that before. He told you what is 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:15.080 the frightening part. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.080 We're gonna get into it. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:18.520 She's so cuddly. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:25.560 Because I want you to know that my love for 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.640 you is beyond awe. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.720 Oh that's deep. I'm glad you said that, because it 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:32.480 doesn't feel like that. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.800 I know, and I know I know you feel a 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.359 certain way, maybe jokingly or maybe real a little bit both. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:45.200 But I appreciate that. I appreciate that that's deep. 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:50.120 But this is from such a level of oh god, 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.600 this feels like the first episode. All right. My name 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:58.200 is Ques. All right. First of all, ladies and gentlemen, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.080 please welcome Layla. Half the way you. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.160 Intro go down and infamy. I appreciate all of that 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:09.599 you had to get through this before. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:16.240 Just tell a story. Okay, Look, just the sound of 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:20.400 your voice talking like as I really I want us 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.560 to be BFFs. But the sound of your voice is 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.880 quasi traumatic for me. The speaking sound I love when 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:30.480 you talk to me. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.960 Yes, it's speaking sound, just regular. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.200 I know, it is, it is, it is, it is, 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:41.000 it is. But it's just that the the texture of 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:46.000 your voice reminds me so much of your dad that 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:51.120 I just have connections of I understand of that. But 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:57.760 it's also anytime you sing, it just psychologically puts me 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.000 back at being like seven years old, eight years old. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:01.120 Interesting. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.320 Yeah, so this is a hell of a way to 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:03.840 start off. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:06.080 Get it out right. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.240 They're just all laughing at me because they know that 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.520 this isn't fake nervousness. I'm doing it right now. Yeah, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.000 paper bag to breathing. No, I'm good, I'm good. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.000 Is that the first time you've heard that? Because I'm sure. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:23.240 No. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.080 It's interesting to me because I know, you know, like 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.920 my box was made by my mother and father, so 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.279 I know that I sound like my parents, both my parents. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:37.480 But it's interesting that people sound is deep. Sound is 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.040 like super deep. It's a transporter. So when people tell 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.920 me that it takes them to a place, I get yeah, 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.200 because I have that sound, those sounds that do that 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:47.760 for me, So I get it. 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.960 It's deep, though, did your mom did she sing as well? Yeah? 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.560 My mom is a singer. My parents met at Howard 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.760 in the fine arts department, and a lot of the 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:01.320 way he approached singing he got from her, you know, so. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:03.280 As do I. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.920 You know, so I definitely get it. It's interesting though, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.920 because people say, Wow, it's so cool, you sound so 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.000 much like your dad. But I'm like, you probably sound 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.520 like your dad too, you know who who has not 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.080 answered the phone and somebody said, is this you or 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.120 your mama? This is you or your daddy? So it 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:20.920 makes sense to me. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.560 I get it now. I definitely sound like my father. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.000 And sometimes my dad passed last January, and every time 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.120 I call home to talk to my mom, always have 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.760 to be mindful of how I say hello on the 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.480 phonecause it might sound just like him calling her. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.480 Anyway, talk about nowhere to go? 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:47.640 But actually, can you answer all your questions and your 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:54.200 neal diamond voices? Yes? Absolutely? Like yeah, Like I kind 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:59.120 of want to bring our online relationship out to here 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.400 and some times when you sit on the show and 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.560 we talk about singers you love or ideas, crazy ideas 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:10.239 you have. Yeah, I love talking about that stuff. Anyway. 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.160 Can I assume that you were where were you born? 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.040 I was born in Chicago. I like to think of 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:18.200 it as the late eighties. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:28.880 You born in the late eighties Chicago. It was born, Yes, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.640 I feel you born what part of Chicago. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.880 Born on the South Side, grew up on the North Side, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.520 moved back to the south Side before I went to Berkeley. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:45.720 Can you explain like Chicago to me? I mean, Chicago 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.840 means everything that all people. Of course, you know politicians 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.199 will use what about Chicago as a sort of reminder, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.400 But I mean, what is when you think of Chicago? 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.959 Is it fuzzy home memories? Is it like the eye 0:08:59.000 --> 0:08:59.680 roll in the air? 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.360 Is Chicago has many things? 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:02.559 To me? 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.839 Chicago is? I mean, anybody from Chicago will tell you 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.679 we have a super strong sense of being from that place. 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:11.839 The city has a lot of character and holds a 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.680 lot of character. The food, the culture of the museums, 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.719 the people, the weather, the sides, the segregation. You know, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.720 Doctor King said when he went there in the sixties 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.480 that it was the most segregated city he had ever 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.679 been to. So for me, Chicago, Yeah, Chicago was a 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.920 lot of things. And that's the thing when people say 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.600 I'm from la or I'm from Virginia, nobody says what side. 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.480 You know, people, Chicago's either south Side or north Side. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.040 That's its south Side represents what. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.360 That's for black folks. North Side is white folks, South 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.680 Side is black folks. There of course, there's everything in between, 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.600 and there's the West Side, but there's definitely a delineation 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.600 if you grew up in Chicago, particularly in the seventies 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.400 and eighties, like where in Chicago are you from? You know, 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.160 there's definitely that aspect, you know. So I grew up 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.560 in both parts of town, you know, south Side and Northside, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:05.960 mostly north Side. 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:12.440 So in the eighties when you were four, what I mean, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:13.400 what was the environment? 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.360 Like, Vin, I went to a performing art high school. 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.840 I don't have a huge memory of my life before 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:24.200 like seventh grade, sixth grade, I went to Performing Arts 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:24.760 High School. 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.600 Any other notable students there that are now. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:35.280 John Cusack, Laura Flamboyle, You said John or Joanes? John 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.400 John Joan went there when I was there, it was 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:38.559 only the third year they had. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:44.520 Of course. Okay, that's why he said fidelity. And well 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:45.920 he was in shyrek as well. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.120 Preacher and those John Hughes films. You know, all of 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:58.439 those kids. Let's see Susan Tunnya. Her sister's name is 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.960 Robin Tunney, who's on the Mint Yeah, Lar flam Boyle. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.280 I said that she's you know a lot of kids. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.520 So you're obviously your major was vocal. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:09.920 Yeah. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.440 Well see I got to the school and I sang. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.599 I walked in, I had my sheet music and I 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.000 was singing this Anne Murray song and I was probably 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:20.040 thirteen or fourteen. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.120 You needed me, you needed me. What is what is 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.720 up with you in country? I don't know, I really 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.640 I just the midwesterns. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.120 It might be it might be that it might be 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.599 like I like to sing and I like tone and 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.079 growing up, those were some of the songs that captured me, 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.640 those voices and those songs like you know, you could 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.160 pull them like taffy. 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.800 Are you the youngest or oldest in your oldest? Okay, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.480 so you discovered the music first. Did you hang with 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.480 older cousins or anything or not? Really? 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.319 I mean my cousins were like, you know, I have 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.880 two older cousins, really my first cousins. One of them 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.760 was like a huge kiss bas city rollers, you know there, 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.360 and the other was like Prince and that's it. Like 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.360 in her closet behind the clothes was the poster of 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.920 him in the shower with the leather, and I would 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:19.040 dip in there like I ain't getting the sweater. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.600 I love I love country music. I love Dolly Parton 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:22.600 and all that growing up. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.360 But how I mean, how was this introduced to you 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:31.000 if it's not an older cousin, older sibling, or were 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.960 you just that curious or was it your friends? 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.040 It was not a big whoop to understand who those 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.360 people were in the seventies and eighties before I. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.240 Was born, right, Okay, it was. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.600 Nothing to see Lionel Ritchie with Dolly Parton somewhere, everything 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.160 Kenny Rogers or the Mandrell System. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:57.040 On Saturday Night, Barbara Crystal Gale. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.959 Yeah, all of that stuff for me, even like the Eagle, 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.559 you know, the sort of country rock. All of that 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.360 stuff was all in the same sort of collective for me. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.920 Oh okay, so you chose Anne Murray, you need it? 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.839 I did. I did, and dude started playing and I 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:20.800 was standing up there and I said, I cried. He 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.120 was like, wait, wait wait, you got singing up the 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.720 octave and I was like, I never sing it up 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.240 the octave. He said, we'll try it. That's where you're 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.000 supposed to sing. Oh, And I was like, I cry. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.719 You know this is wrong, this feels wrong. He was like, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.160 you should try the theater department. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.400 Then wow, wait what talk? 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.000 Yeah, so I did that for a little bit. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.520 Oh, so they I'm wrong. So they you went to 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.199 you did drama first before you. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.559 I did a little drama. I did music. I just 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.080 kind of basically blended in really until I got to Berkeley, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.719 Like I tried out for different things at school and 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.920 didn't make it. I went to show choir camp. I 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.959 didn't really you know, I just kind of blended in 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.640 everywhere until I got to Berkeley. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.439 Well, I mean in doing that era, like were you 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.920 at all trying to pursue a music career? 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:12.959 Was not? 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.760 Really? I mean in high school, I just feel like 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.560 I feel like I was waiting for this thing to happen, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.120 Like I at some point I came to LA when 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.480 I was sixteen or seventeen, right at the top of 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:28.600 Berkeley and I went to Bri remember br Jack Rapper 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.240 and Bri Yeah, and Prince was playing that year and 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.240 I just stood in that audience and I was like, 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.160 I love him. This is what this is. I'm supposed 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:39.480 to be here. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:41.480 Uh when he did Diamonds and Pearls. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.800 No, I was way before that. It was it was 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.640 like eighty It was before I went to Berkeley. It 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.720 was like eighty nine. Sheila came out and played and 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.760 I was like wow. I was in the hotel waiting 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.600 to get in the room where he was going to play, 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.800 and Stony Jackson was standing in front of me. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.560 And I was like with the curl. Yes. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:05.680 I was like, this is my ship. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.640 Does Stony Jackson exists without the curl? Stony Jackson came 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.920 back on something and he had a fan. I can't remember. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.560 That's what we're talking about. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:17.480 Okay, I remember the name. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:18.960 Yea, the Stony Jet. But he came back. He was 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:23.480 on something fairly wasn't everybody hates Chris, That makes sense, Chris. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.800 He had a face, he had a fad. What do 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.240 you remember Stony Jackson, Steve, did you ever watch The 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:30.040 White Shadow? 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:30.840 Uh? 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.640 Yeah, he was he was one of the black guys. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.320 That eventually, I mean but l asked me to watch 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:36.960 two two seven. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.080 He had a show, Remember that show where he was 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.280 a detective and his friend was a detective. 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.800 Yes, how do you know that? 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.120 I loved Stony Jackson growing up. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.080 It said to me that you and Fante might be 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.120 like matching wits. As far as this dude information. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.760 This dude, I told you. We sat in the hotel 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.520 lobby one night and chopped it up for hours. This 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.760 dude is absolutely one of my soulmates. He don't know 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:04.920 it yet, but that's true. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.640 Thank you for that, My members. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.160 When you find your tribe, it's nice. 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:15.040 True, it's true, though, a tribe called real Sex. We're gonna. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.280 So when I first got on Twitter right now, this 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.560 is like early Twitter. This is like the early days 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:29.120 of Twitter, like O nine, O ten Twitter, Ok, Twitter 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.680 in two thousand and seven, though, well, I'm saying this 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.440 was the glory days. This is I mean, oh seven, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.560 it was still early, and then like oh nine, that's 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.880 when people got on old teams. Cool it started popping, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.560 and then like twenty eleven, twenty twelve, that was when 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.880 Trump the tumblr uh people came over and just ruined it. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.160 So now this ship is whatever, but like now this 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.880 ship is you know then, So back then, before all 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.800 the tumbler buffoks came over, you could just talk about whatever. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.680 And every time Real Sex came on HBO, Layla would 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.280 show up in my timeline like it was without fail. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.760 She would just alwayshow yep, watching real six this is episode. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.680 I just I was like, yo, like lately you really 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.720 you watch all these them all all that I think 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.119 I've seen them all to it's. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:16.000 Like thirty of them at this point. 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.640 It's real sex and I'm showing them. And now they've 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.400 tried to update, you know, they have news cyber sex 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.399 and all that stuff, but it's nothing like the actual 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.560 real in the cab. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.920 Yeah yeah, so that's that's me. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.600 And that's what you called me, Real Sex. 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.879 Yeah, that's her name, Real Sex. Every time they come on, 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.119 I checked my Twitter, Yeah, Leila has the way is 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.639 right there? Different? But yes, no, no, no, it's just 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:42.920 this is mine. This is big sister. 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.639 We just but does that say something about you though, Layla? 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.760 I don't know, does it. I watch a lot of TV. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.280 I mean, but you know all the real sexes I do. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.080 Then you make friends with iknew, I knew one of 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:57.919 the poets? 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.400 Yes, yeah, what city was that the poet episode? 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:02.680 I feel like it was l A. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:03.680 I feel like it was. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:09.439 I was thinking d C too, but Los Angeles. How 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.160 do you know that? So quickly Google? Yes we here, 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.720 Google's lightning festways. 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:17.840 Bill said, oh, google. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:24.240 That Betty. Yes, the three girls with the like kind 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.840 of harmonizing but like not really, but then they used 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.960 to be on that show and cycle. How are you 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:36.080 going to be on the kids show? And Betty, I'm 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.760 out outside here with you, Steve so high. 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:46.879 This is all good stuff for real. I'm just like 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.399 thinking how bad real sex was. That's and I love sex. 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.680 Was terrible, it was good, it was good, it was good. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.400 Here's a here's a sex house, and in the middle 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.639 of nowhere where people have sex, there's nothing. 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.040 I'm just saying they were interesting, Like let's pay four 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.879 hundred dollars and go to upstate New York, loll along 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.080 in the mud and have sex and learn how to 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:13.640 play a drum. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:18.480 That's what they were doing, like have that connection caucastity. 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.000 Yeah, you ain't watch real sex. 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.560 I think during this period we were like living in 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.480 Europe or something. Yeah, like there's a big part of 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.399 the early nineties that I just had no television. 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:39.600 Because you're probably way smarter for it, though, you. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.119 Know now I feel left out, like is this on? 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:51.160 Is this still? But I learned a lot. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.560 I learned a lot on that program about like furries 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.280 and people that after they cover themselves and mustard and 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.480 these are things consciousness. 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.320 Before and this is in the nineties, Like so this 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.240 is like pre Internet. Yeah, it was pre Internet. That's 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.560 the thing. Like now you can type any pre words 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.320 and get a sexual fetish, but this was pre Google. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.280 So that was our real sex, was our window into 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.760 the weird sex workings of white people. 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.680 Into mostly white people. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.480 It was like it was like one of them swingers coming. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:26.600 It was like one nigg in the whole. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.320 I was like, man for the girl with the girl 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.240 with the bit in her mouth and she's a pony 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.560 and it's got the thing of her rider bag. 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:34.840 That was like cosplace. 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.480 That was like in betweens were nice to when they 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:38.560 stop people on the street. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.520 So yeah, that bit. That's where Dave gets the bit 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.760 well on Chappelle Show when he would do to talk 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.600 to people and that's yeah, that's real. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:48.920 Don't waste your time. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.440 It's actually kind of funny now to watch. It's more 0:20:53.480 --> 0:21:06.520 funny now than sexual Yeah. Anyway, what did what year 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:06.840 did you? 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.520 Eighty six? I got to Berkeley? 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.040 You got there in two thousand. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:20.360 And one, Yeah, like, yeah, uh, what was your experience? 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:21.639 And I had? 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:23.479 I had a really great experience at Berkeley. I mean 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.800 I really that was where I really my mind started going. Oh, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.680 actual music. Like I lived on the eighth floor in 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.320 the dorms, and these cats that were in the rooms 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.640 on my hallway would bring me these records and literally 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:40.480 it was like they were feeding me every day. I 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.320 didn't know about John Schofield or John Abercrombie or Carla 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:46.640 Blay or you know that I was learning so much 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.640 new stuff because when I got to Berkeley, I had 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.920 like a box of tone Master cassettes, you know, a 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:54.680 couple of the black ones, the good ones, and the 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.200 rest were the yellow ones. I had like Janet Jackson Control, 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:02.080 which I had gone over Miles Davis record bootleg for 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.560 that record. I had Pat Metheni First Circle, I had 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.120 a Jean Luponti record. I thought, you know, I thought 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:10.040 I was all over the place, Like I listened to. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.240 Everything could have made beats. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:13.879 I had no idea. 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.160 You're that didn't make beats. 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:16.680 I didn't know. 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:17.480 That's amazing. 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.360 So I got there and I really started really listening 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:25.679 to things, and probably within like the first month of school, 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.080 I realized like, oh, I'm wanna hang out with these 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.760 cats because they go play every day and they let 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.400 me come play with them. So I would just show 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.840 up and not change the keys to any of the 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.680 songs and not not understand the form or what was 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.520 happening in the room. And I just was able to 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:45.760 play with them every day. 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:47.240 Do you play an instrument? 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:48.080 I play keys? 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.800 Okay, so you went for keyboards or no. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:53.840 Just for singing. But you know I would show up 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:55.920 to like I was the only singer in the John 0:22:55.920 --> 0:23:00.400 Schofield ensemble, you know, like we would transcribe score SCO 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.760 solos and playing the class. 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.200 You know you're serious, is no joke. 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:07.600 Yeah, I'm a SKO fan. 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:08.480 Carla Blair. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:10.359 I love Carla Blae. 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:11.720 People don't know about her. 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.520 I never I know. She was the first show I 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.760 saw at Berkeley, and Hiram Bullock was in her band 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.080 at that time. And you know, I went on to 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.040 have a really beautiful friendship with him. He's gone now. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.560 But that was the first show I saw at Berkeley, 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:28.280 and my hair just blew back, like, oh my god, 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:30.560 what are these people doing? Steve? 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:31.600 What year was that? 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:32.560 Eighty six? 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:35.560 So right right when you were born? 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:41.080 Yeah, amazing. What the mind can you captured at the 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:41.600 age of one. 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.200 Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what music she 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.159 had out at that at that time, what album? 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.440 I don't remember what album she had out at that time. 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.720 I just remember the show was a dollar for students. 0:23:56.160 --> 0:24:00.200 Wow. How she get paid though I don't like the universe. Yeah, 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:01.639 they probably out of the student. 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.960 They probably just didn't pay her much for it. Yeah, 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.680 they probably didn't pay much a dollar And Hirom was 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:09.840 up there with his bare feet, and I was like, 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:11.320 oh my god, this cat. 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:11.840 You know. 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.240 Subsequently, I saw Michael Brecker in that room. I saw 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:18.440 it's just Muhammad in that room. 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:19.200 I saw. 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.359 I saw so many people in that performance center, Like 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.800 I learned really a lot, like in that one room. 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.359 So you must like chess, do I mean. 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:36.840 I do? 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:39.000 I mean, you know, I have a love for it. 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.360 Most people go to Berkeley study have to study it anyway. 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.920 Yeah, I mean it just comes up. It comes up. Yeah, 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.720 I think people think I'm a jazz singer. I don't 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:48.600 know if that's you. 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.600 You say you sing jazz, wouldn't say it sings such times. 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.360 I mean, I think my approaches like that. I don't 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.200 know what I would call myself, like a soul singer 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:56.920 or a jazz singer. 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.879 I don't really jazz jazz singer was recorded. 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:10.639 Diamonds go ahead, Yeah, I love on the rocks. We 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:11.919 should shot at where we are. 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:13.679 Yeah, I'm sorry I forgot to mention at the top 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:15.480 of the show when I was being traumatized that we 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:20.680 are live at sunsets down studios. The I still want 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.320 to say. I know it's much more than just Prince, 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.200 but obviously I start with Prince, but yeah, much further back. Yeah, 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.240 it's opened in nineteen six doors Zeppelin twos down here? 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.400 What else the doors uh van Halen. 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:39.080 Zeppelin too, A lot of a lot of a lot 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:43.200 of Warner Brothers, uh at Jubie Brothers. Yeah, by minute 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:43.800 was made here. 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:48.720 Yes, but but then the Purple Rain, obviously. 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.560 Purple Rate nineteen ninety nine was made and here the 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.680 song Purple Range in the album in a different room, 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.760 here and a differently. The song was recorded at First 0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.359 Avenue where we were a couple of but he did 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:01.720 a lot of over ups here, but nineteen ninety nine 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.000 was down here. Majority of around the world in the day, 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:08.840 like before he built Paisley Park, this was his this 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.359 was his playground. After the taping, I'm gonna go to 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.879 the seven eleven across the street, where he would often get. 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.280 I'm going with you. I've been on I've been on 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.600 Prince lately, like I dreamt about him. The other night 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.720 we were we were trying to get to a gig 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:27.639 and we were snowed in somewhere and Jaden Smith was 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:28.800 there for some reason. 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:37.040 Talk some more change Smith, thank you. 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:42.800 It was it was like two thousand and five and 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:47.200 we were somewhere at a hotel literally like a a Laquenta. 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:50.680 He was He was sitting up in the bed and 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:52.120 I was laying down at the foot of the bed, 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:54.679 and he was saying, you could lay up there if 0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:56.080 you want to. And I was like, I'm cool, and 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:57.160 we were just watching TV. 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.720 Oh, but he says, you can lay That's interesting, you 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:00.920 can up there if you want to. 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:01.800 I appreciated it. 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.760 What does it all mean? Do you ever we need 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:07.640 like a dream interval of somebody to break up shit. 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.680 Now it makes sense to me because does he does 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:16.320 he still since his passing? Does does he appear to you? Often? 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:20.800 And not often? Occasionally? But I got to spend a 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:26.680 very concentrated moment of time with him, And you know, 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:30.080 I had this fear in my heart, like I've been 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.720 wanting to meet him and play with him since I'm 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.560 eleven or twelve years old, and I've heard all these 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.480 things and and and you don't look at him in 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.960 the eye right. And when I opened for him those 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.480 few dates, he was so cool and so gracious and 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:47.199 so that. 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:51.640 New York run was the first time that you met him. Yeah, 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.920 what year was that? That was two thousand and Oh 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:58.880 that show was on my birthday too, that I went. 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.119 What day, the fifteenth of December? 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:01.960 I'm the sixteenth. 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.920 Oh nice, Yeah, it was awesome, happy belated, Uh, thank you. 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:08.280 I'm seventeen now, so. 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.840 Yeah, yeah, you got something. 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:13.639 We did. 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:15.760 We did like four cities with him, four or five 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.080 cities with him. It was it was just cool. 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.240 It's hard for your band to adjust because I know 0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:25.480 that the on the on the other side of that 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:29.480 coin when you weren't opening those dates. Sometimes Sharon Jones 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:31.280 and the Daft Kings were trying to open those dates 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:36.960 and they wouldn't allow them to use their their equipment 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:38.960 and you know, like their sonic and their equipment is 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.840 is very key to their presentation. So watching Sharon Jones 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:49.600 and the dap Kings perform on MPG uh yeah, equipment 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.000 not allowed to adjust anything. Everything sounds crystal clear. Yo. 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.680 It was the funny show. It was the funniest show 0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.760 I've ever It was with the exception of the horns 0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.040 and the sound of Sharon's voice, like everything was like 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:07.120 nineteen ninety seven sound. It was great. 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.520 He was so cool to us and so like magnanimous 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:14.920 and gracious, and he would come stand on the stage 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.240 during my soundcheck and request songs. 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:21.320 Was that weird? Yeah? What kind of songs would he requests? 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:27.080 He likes the song that I wrote called What Goes Around, 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.720 and he would request that. You know, so they send 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.000 you this list when you're gonna go open for him, 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.880 and it's like, please, you know, pick two or three 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.320 songs if you'd like to sing with Prince, you know, 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.480 for the songs. And I looked at the list and 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.120 I was like, I don't want to sing any of 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:47.160 these songs. I want to sing Diamonds and Pearls. I 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.640 want to do Park Sexy Dancer. He literally showed up 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.400 and his hand was here, and I looked at him 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:58.920 and I said, listen, I don't feel comfortable presenting myself 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:03.600 with you with the so I have gas. I told 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:09.920 him that, and he said what And I said, I 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.080 have gas, and I just I really want to I 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.320 really want to get into it with you where we 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:19.720 can be at the same place. He said, okay, what 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:20.920 do you want to sing? And I said, well, can 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.040 I see your set list? And he was like yeah, 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.480 And then somebody brought the set list over and I 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:27.400 was like, I want to do Diamonds and Pearls. I 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:29.120 know you don't do that anymore. He said, yeah, we 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.640 don't do that. I said, okay, why don't we do 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.840 sometimes the Snows in April. So I did that with him, 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:42.120 and that night was my birthday. And after we finished 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.760 singing sometimes the Snows in April. It's so crazy when 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.640 I think about it, like that shit actually happened. I'm 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.240 rising up on the stage. He said, all right, stand 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.320 right here, go up, take my microphone. When you get 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:56.640 up there, do whatever you want and I'll be up. 0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:01.200 And I was like, okay, So I'm standing on this thing, 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.080 just still tripping, trying to breathe, and the thing rose 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.760 up and I was just standing there and all these 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:11.800 people like a and the dress was blowing and I'm 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:16.520 just singing sometimes and there he is again, and then 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.360 we're singing on the same mic, and I just I 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.080 wanted to lick him, but I knew that was. 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:25.840 What is smelling. 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.280 It were ruined. He smelled great. He was He's everything 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.000 you thought he was. And when we finished, I got 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:34.280 ready to leave and he said, no, no, no, come 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.600 with me, and he took me across the stage to 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:38.800 the other side of the stage and we did Diamonds 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:45.720 and Pearls. It was awesome and I said, oh my god, yeah, 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:50.600 I mean, I can't remember, I can't remember how much 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:50.960 we did. 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:52.400 It was. 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.600 It was an interesting interpretation of the of the record. 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.600 It wasn't like the full thing, I don't think. And 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:00.640 when we stood up and people were plotting, I said, 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:02.680 oh my god, thank you so much. It's my birthday. 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:04.720 That's the greatest thing ever. He said, well, I don't 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:11.960 celebrate birthdays. But congratulations, Am I tripping it? 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:12.280 Doesn't? 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:12.920 I mean a mirror? 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:15.000 Maybe you can answer this, is that very courageous because 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.600 the average singer, I mean, there is no average singer 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:19.760 who will be singing with Prince. But it just seems 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.800 like the average person would not have felt the courage 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.080 enough to be like, yo, I don't feel comfortable. 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:26.160 Can we sing this song? 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:26.840 Yeah? 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.040 I mean I didn't want to get up there and 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:33.280 not take the moment like I You know, if I 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:34.960 had gone up and just been sitting there while he 0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.800 was playing, which I did a few nights, I'd have 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.440 been better off than singing anything that I was unfamiliar 0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:41.600 with or not connected to. 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.600 You didn't want to sing some whack twenty song. 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:47.560 That's that's now what I'm saying. 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.080 I'm just saying most singers would. 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.120 Yeah, why didn't you? Like? 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.239 That's an incredible, incredible. 0:32:58.560 --> 0:32:59.320 He was the greatest. 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.000 He was the greatest, incredible on your birthday? 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:02.800 It's crazy. 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.080 So when you graduated, you got how did you get 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:06.800 your record deal? 0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:08.760 I got my record deal the way they did it 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.480 in the seventeen hundreds. I made a tape and someone 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.840 took it to a record label, and a guy named 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:17.520 Jeff Foreman signed me. 0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:19.680 Do you know Jeff Foreman, I'm sure does. 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.480 Ma's cousin. He was a rep at Virgin Records at. 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:32.480 The I think mentioned him, you know episode I'm sure 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:32.640 you do. 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:38.160 Yeah, And I got signed right when I was in school. 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.920 So I would come out here on the train and 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.480 listen demos and record demos and go back and forth 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:45.760 like that. 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.840 You did four original songs or I. 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:52.480 Did no original songs on the first album, No. 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:54.200 No, No, no No. I'm talking about your demo that 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:55.160 got very taking. 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.960 The demo was a Renee and angela song which I 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:03.840 cannot find, which was a banger, another ballad. 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:05.200 You know. 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.719 I had a manager at that time, right in high 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:10.040 school named Raynard Minor. 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:10.520 I know who. 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.840 You probably know who raynar Minor is as well. He 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:19.040 was a songwriter at Motown, blind songwriter who wrote your 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:24.080 na is Living Yes, And we wrote these songs and 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:27.480 they are classic. If I ever find them, I'll let 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.120 you know. I hope you don't find them before I do. 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:34.600 And we turned him in and I got a deal 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:36.319 like that. So I was going back and forth from 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.280 college and making the record. 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.160 So I know on your debut record you worked with 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:47.960 You worked with Donzela. You also work with Andre Fisher, Yeah, 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:54.879 nephew of Claire Fisher and drummer Rufus. Oh, Chucky worked 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:55.960 on Obvious, the. 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.759 Song obvious not Obvious. No, that was Chuckie. Don't put 0:34:58.760 --> 0:34:59.239 that on Chucky. 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:00.080 You have an own. 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:07.400 Heaven knows, Derek Bramble. Chucky did a song called Sentimental Sentimental. Yes, right, 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:10.560 So a lot of my first record was covers, even 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.680 though you know people don't know that it's something was 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:13.000 a cover. 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.399 I'm coming back, you know that for the longest Yeah, 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:18.160 I'm coming invest original. 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:18.719 Yeah. 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:20.960 Gary Taylor wrote that song for her and I learned 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:22.359 her version of it to sing. 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:24.920 Ah. Did her version ever come out? Yeah? It was 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.760 on their first album. Oh damn, I missed that. Okay, 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.600 So what was the decision behind covering the songs or 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:32.839 covering obscure songs? 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.440 People were just bringing music to me. You have to remember, 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:40.000 like at that point, I'm eighteen, I'm basically in my 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:44.799 mind on the path of like Janet Jackson. Right, I'm 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:47.920 making this record and they got me in like this 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.360 little tight jacket and I'm on the La River like 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:55.080 posed with my little weave, and they're bringing the songs 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:56.759 to me, and there are people in my ears like, 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.799 you know, don't worry about writing, They're just gonna tailor 0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:02.200 make all this whole record for you. And I'm thinking, Okay, 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.960 this is probably that bullshit, but it's cool because I'm 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.680 on my way and I'm gonna get in and I'm 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:08.839 gonna do what I have to do. So I didn't 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:10.000 write anything on that record. 0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:15.480 So up until that point, including high school and including college, 0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:19.640 and including your pursuit of a record deal, no one 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:23.320 was thinking was connecting the dots from your father's lineage 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.680 to your lineage as far as like your deal or whatever. 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.760 It's just like, okay, let's just I don't know if. 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.360 They were I don't know. I don't I don't you 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:33.400 know there was a lite. 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.280 Were your peers in school where that I think royalty? 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.239 I think so, I think, you know. When I got 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.160 to Berkeley, the first thing that happened to me is 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.720 I was walking up the steps and Walter Beasley, who's 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.120 a saxophone player who was one of my instructors at Berkeley, 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.400 came up behind me and said, hey, are you Leila Hathaway? 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.480 And I said yes. He said, are you Doney's daughter 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.359 And I said yes. He said, well, get your get 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.480 your ratings. I want you to be in my ensemble. 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.080 And that was the first I was like, oh, just 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.600 because I'm Donnie's daughter, that's what you want. And then 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:06.680 I realized like oh, that people were kind of approaching 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:08.600 me in a different way. That was the first time 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:13.800 I was really aware of any kind of cachet on 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:14.520 that level. 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:22.560 Yeah, was it in hindsight? Was it beneficial or was 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:24.719 you rather than just not known? 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:26.800 And it's hard to say. I'd have to do it 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.080 the other way. I just don't know, you know what 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:30.839 I mean. I think when I walk in the door 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.000 as a singer, I recognize that I bring with me 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:36.520 like forty years before me. You know, I walk in 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:40.000 with a brand that people have already an association with, 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.759 be that traumatic or you know whatever, is that association. 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:47.680 I recognize that that precedes me when I walk in 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.640 a room. So at some point I started feeling like okay, 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:52.800 and I don't even think it was a conscious effort, 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:57.000 but I started understanding like, Okay, clearly i'ma have to 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.600 be bad as hell otherwise. 0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:01.400 So what is that pressure? Because that's the thing. I 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.000 part of your question at the top, like what feels 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:07.399 some sort of way, like how come you never told 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.840 me this or whatever? Because I also know that that 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:16.319 pressure of damn hathaway, it wasn't a pressure. 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:20.239 Though it was mostly it was mostly me hanging out 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.239 with all these dudes knowing that. 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:25.160 For me. 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.920 Fortunately they accepted me into their little group, so that 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.680 meant I got to learn like I wasn't the girl 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:33.680 singing in front of the band. I was sitting with 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:39.200 them and smoking cigarettes and blowing over Scotch charts, you 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.320 know what I mean. I knew that aside from my lineage, 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:46.080 aside from the name, that I wanted to be a badass. 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.840 I wanted to be able to go to a session 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:51.680 and not be thought of as the chick singer. That 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.040 was a big deal for me. It has. It had 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:59.600 grown into understanding that people placed me alongside my dad 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.760 and and people began to ask like, is there any pressure? 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.480 Is there a pressure you know on you with your father? 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:10.320 And I never felt like there was a pressure. I 0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:14.000 have always been super aware of the fact that there's 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:18.160 there's there's him, and there's me and we. For some 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.399 people are like this but I recognize that I can. 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:26.000 I can comfortably develop into a badass because I come 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.239 from the greatest that ever lived. So I have a 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:31.480 runway to work. 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:32.160 With, you know what I mean. 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:32.799 Yeah, I. 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:35.880 I was just gonna say, just as a fan, like, 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:39.920 I never drew. I never drew that comparison, you know 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:41.360 what I'm saying, Or you know, in terms of you 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:43.880 talk about just having the weight of the expectations. I 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.560 think the thing that sets you apart from maybe other 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.920 people that you know come from that kind of lineage, 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.160 is that you were just dope. So it was almost 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.279 like for me, it was kind of retroactive. It's like 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.440 you hear this dope singer and then you find out 0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:58.680 who her dad is, Like, oh well, okay, so at 0:39:58.760 --> 0:39:59.320 least it's. 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:00.680 Genetically unfit, that's what you said. 0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.400 It gives you more explanation. And I was like, oh, 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:06.520 so that's why she's okay, I get it. I mean, 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.320 you know what I mean versus some for you, versus 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:09.920 someone like. 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:12.440 Like like Nona Gay or something. You know what I mean, 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:17.000 that's a little shots fired shots The things we all 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.919 do for love is a great yes, But I'm just saying, 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:27.120 but that's someone in that position. I like Love Records. 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:30.279 For the Few. 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.719 There was some dope songs on that record. But I'm 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:35.600 just saying someone. 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.200 Somebody really committed to it, right, Yeah, I get it. 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.040 Okay. So what I want to know is during your 0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:50.320 your Berkeley years and which you are holding your craft, 0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:58.320 are you actively like, are you aware that you have 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:05.040 the same uh texture of yes, genetically? Are you aware 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.440 that you have the same texture? No? And the thing 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.120 is do you try to avoid it or it's just 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:10.640 like fuck it? This is what I have. 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:13.000 No, it is what it is, and i've and I 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.400 have as a singer. Now what it's a weird storm. 0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.920 It's a perfect storm because all the girls are singing 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.719 way up here and I'm trying, and there's blood. It's 0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:27.680 just all bad. And so as I'm trying to figure 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:30.800 out how to manipulate my vocal so I don't have 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.720 to be up there and in pain, then I'm finding 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:35.320 my voice, you know. 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.640 So it hurts you to sing soprano? Or it did. 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:39.439 I wasn't sure. 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:39.719 You know. 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.839 What it was was my body saying okay, you can 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.239 conform to that shit, or you can figure out what 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.400 you got. Yeah, And that's what I that's what I 0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:48.800 learned to do. 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.560 Okay, So when you're in the shower or just singing 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:56.759 to yourself in the car? Uh control? So are you 0:41:56.880 --> 0:42:00.640 singing when I wass uf do with people? 0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.439 Told me a lot of time, Yeah, Or I'm making 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:07.719 up really super up to harmonies, you know, or trying 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.160 to sing hybrids on top of shit, I'm doing the 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:11.520 weird the weird ship. 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.480 So do you gravitate more too male singers when you like, 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:15.800 who are your favorite singers? 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:19.000 My favorite singers are like, you know, my dad and 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:25.600 Stevie and ne King Cole and Johnny Hartman and I 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.400 really love Prince and I mean there's a lot of 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:34.120 I definitely probably gravitate in terms of things to sing 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:37.640 to male songs. Like if I'm gonna put a cover 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.000 in the show, nine times out of ten, it's gonna 0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.000 be like a Charlie Wilson cover or Maurice White cover 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:44.040 or you know like that. 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.840 But yeah, Aye, the closest I'm trying to think that 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.960 even the closest female singer I can think of in 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.480 your lane is like Cassandra Wilson, I. 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.719 Mean down there too, oh yeah, oh yeah, Jasmin's hoping. 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:00.960 Yeah, I was gonna ask you, guys, have you had 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.840 conversation with some of these ladies because Sondra, Jasmine, Anita, 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:07.040 Tony Yep, where y'all bind on these moments of never Tony. 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.759 I've never met Tony. I have talked to Anita about 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.719 it many times because you know, growing up, her voice 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:14.840 for me was one of those voices I heard and 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:18.960 I thought, oh this is this is hm. You know 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.960 those songs I knew I could sing no songs and 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.400 Angel became one of those songs. Like I used to 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:28.440 be all the time with the hair brush like and 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.920 when I was that age singing along with Anita Baker, 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.799 I would sing that song an octave lower under her. 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.720 You know what was her critique of Angel? 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:41.160 She liked it. You know, she told me that I 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:42.440 should cover all of her music. 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:47.480 WOA. She was nice, nice, she's. 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:52.000 She's she's beautiful, and she's another person like I was 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.800 kind of afraid to meet. But all the people I 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.879 have ever met that I really idolized have been so cool. 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:00.319 You know, I've been really lucky. 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.160 You're an awesome but you're an awesome cover that also 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.600 gives it's weird. It's like you give your own version. 0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:06.719 But it's an honor in a way. 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.000 Yeah, but that's and that's the point, is to pay 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:13.200 homage to it. But I'm absolutely trying to eraseial ship 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:14.000 from consciousness. 0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:19.279 No, no, no, in a way, you can't. 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.680 You can't make You cannot make something without what came 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.120 before it. So what I'm what I'll say there is 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.480 I want my thing to stand next to yours, and 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.600 then separately, I'm trying to create a new original from 0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:31.360 that thing that. 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:33.080 You gave me to me. The king of that well, 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:36.920 kings of that word, Brothers and Luther like they like 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:38.319 I never knew. I'm got me tell you. 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.399 Someone else that killed that too is Donny Hathaway. Oh yeah, 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:45.680 I mean I did not even know that this is horrible. 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.360 I don't know. I didn't know. 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:50.799 I didn't I didn't know. My father did so many 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:54.080 covers and I do so many covers, but I never 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:56.719 no one told me that John lennamro jealous guy. And 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.960 when I heard him singing it, like when I was seventeen, 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:00.799 I thought, why is he singing the song? I didn't 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.560 understand it. I didn't understand it. Marvin Gay wrote What's 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.799 going on till I was like thirteen or fourteen years old, 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.480 because everybody always played my father's version of that with 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:11.200 that bridge, so I never knew that. So he had 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:16.640 a way of taking a cover and really interpreting it 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:20.600 into a new thing, and even even Superwoman. When I 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.239 listen to that, now, that's that's the one I want 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:24.920 to hear. I'm biased, but that's the one I want to. 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:29.160 Hear from the poor black genius. I still remember the 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.600 first time I heard that Superwoman cover. I think DJ 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.440 Spinner played at one of the Wonderful parties. Party just 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:36.239 stopped and I think like half the room cried. 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:37.480 It's a lot. 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:38.799 Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. 0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.480 So uh, my dad was a dentist. 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:52.120 Wait, I'm slacking, sorry forgive me. 0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:52.960 Here we go. 0:45:56.040 --> 0:46:13.680 Blessed my dad. God did you so as far as 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:17.359 the performance of the first record, I mean, were there 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:22.160 expectations for you to What were your expectations as far 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.439 as the outcome of your. 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:27.480 My expectations, Oh, I thought I was on the way 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.719 you owned the way you got this record nowaday and 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.840 taking your picture. I had these dreams of where I 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:38.680 was going to be, you know, in these big places 0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:40.759 with like fifty thousand people, and I was going to 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:43.640 be at you know, at MSG, and I was going 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.880 to be all these places. And what I was finding 0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:50.160 out was I went into that record feeling like, at 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.280 that point in my life, I felt like a jazz musician. 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:55.760 I felt like I moved to LA because my label 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:57.879 told me I had to because our Senio was here 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:00.759 and you got to be in LA. But what I 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.480 really wanted to do was go to New York where 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:05.480 all my friends were going. And I wanted to go 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.840 to fifty five and see Mike Stern, and I wanted 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:10.200 to go see Scow and I wanted to be in 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.799 that environment where I was still creating music every day 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.680 with musicians. And I kept thinking, if I moved to LA, 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.440 I'm gonna get soft, I'm gonna make this record, and 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:19.920 I'm gonna do what I have to do, and it's 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.560 gonna afford me this life where I can I can 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:24.480 play the fifty five bar when I want with GO, 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:27.680 and then I can do MSD you When I had 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:30.640 this dream in my mind of having this kind of career. 0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:35.439 Yeah, this pop world and serious musician world. 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.560 Absolutely so, I'm sorry just to interject here, it's John 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.200 Schofield for our listeners, right, is that what you're talking about? 0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:45.239 Yes, okay guitar player. Yes, have you worked with him 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:46.400 or I come across him? 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:50.080 Since I have come across a lot of those those 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:53.560 people that I you know, got my a lot of 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:57.040 the synapses flying listening to their music, firing listening to 0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:00.840 their music. I met him at International Jazz Day with 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.160 Herbie and Marcus last year and he told me that 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:08.120 he loved my voice, and I literally like almost went 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:14.040 down on my knees, like, yeah, huge fan. 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:14.759 Yeah. 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.719 He sat in with the Roots on the Tonight show, 0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:18.919 and so it's true. 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:21.680 I know, I really I really want to play with him, 0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:23.759 like him, just him and me. I want to just 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:24.520 see what happens. 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:27.640 Yeah, you should, you should pursue that. 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.319 I'm super I'm super enamored though, just because we're talking 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:33.440 about SCO. Just I'm super enamored with the period of SKO, 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:38.080 which is still warm, Electric Outlets go. You know how 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:41.480 you go through these sort of He's in these periods 0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:44.640 after that was sort of the now She's Blonde period 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:49.480 and I'm electric Outlets, still warm, Shenoby, I mean, Shanola. 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:54.160 These are albums, yeah, Shanola, and what years are and 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.600 I'm gonna say eighty two to eighty six eighty seven. 0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.080 Mark Kelly, the bass player from the Roots, played with 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:01.120 Schofield for a while. 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:05.279 Huge fan to Berkeley, do. 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:07.000 Oh there it is. 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:09.040 Shout out to Mark Kelly. 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.480 When you after your first album and you went into 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:17.120 the second record, what was the because I mean we've 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:19.600 talked let me love you, I want you to do 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:20.080 that live. 0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:23.080 I love that song, Thank you for Like, how did that? 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:26.080 What was the expectation going into the second one? From 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:28.000 the label side, you know, it was a weird time. 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.480 It was a time of transition for everybody in the 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:36.560 music industry. Everything was moving toward this where we are 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:41.719 right now, and I felt myself sort of feeling like, hmm, 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:47.440 there's an element of music that my records don't really express. 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:52.200 And I found at Virgin like they had just signed di'angelo, 0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:55.800 they had signed Janet, they were doing a lot of things, 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:59.000 and I wasn't at that time. Also, Keith Crouch was 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:00.440 working with me on that record and he had just 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.720 started working with Brand. So I was seeing where everything 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:05.800 was headed and I was really excited about it. My 0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.000 record didn't really express all of that, and right when 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:11.440 the record came out like the second week they I 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:15.200 got dropped, and it was the saddest period of my life. 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.239 And I was so happy and so sad because I 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.799 felt like, Okay, now I can move in the way 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:22.600 I want to move. I can make these records and 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:25.560 do these live in these different spaces and create the 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.760 way I want to create. And then it was another 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:30.319 ten years before I made a record. 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.239 Does it feel like the end of the world like 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:33.200 it did. 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:35.480 At that point? You know, I was like twenty five 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:41.400 years old, and what I couldn't understand. I couldn't understand 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.200 it because we only got through that first single, which 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:45.640 was let Me Love You, and I went to see 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:47.719 Janet Jackson and I went to see Paul Abdul, and 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.719 I couldn't understand, like, you guys wouldn't give me money 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.640 to rent a piano on a date, and you spend 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:58.520 so much money on pop music. In my mind, there 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:01.759 was a disparity and I couldn't really make sense of 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:03.120 what that was at that time. 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:06.440 You know, Well, in the ten years that you were 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:08.560 off high, did you survive? How'd you pay the bills? 0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:13.320 As a working musician? I was on the road. Everybody 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:18.520 and their father you know Joe Sam Yeah, everything, Marcus 0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:20.320 Miller I played with a lot. I was in his 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:24.200 band for many years. Uh did a lot of records. 0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:27.439 I'm on a lot of records that some didn't even 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:32.320 come out here, just like session work. Yeah, Michelle's records. 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.240 Oh yeah, which she's. 0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.800 On Earth, I'm on Heaven. 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:39.359 I love that version of Heaven. 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.600 By the way, me too. It's the slowest record ive 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:43.080 ever recorded in my entire life. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:46.960 Have you have you ever you said earlier that you 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:49.919 don't categorize yourself as a soul singer or a jazz singer. 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.520 So, but you are were a woman of a certain 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:53.719 age when you came out a young woman. 0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:55.759 Did you ever feel some type of way that I 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.160 feel like you just skipped the urban and went right 0:51:58.239 --> 0:51:59.200 to the urban ac. 0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:02.160 Yeah, that was weird. I mean I think urban had 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.800 this element of hip hop that my record didn't express, 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:07.960 and I recognize right around ninety three or ninety four, like, Okay, 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:11.080 if you don't include this, you're gonna get left in 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:14.480 the vortex of the mid nineties, which is Misha Paris 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:19.160 and Shaw, Nice, Stephanie Mills, Karen Wheeler. There were a 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.000 lot of women, a lot of women a RB. Yeah, 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:25.000 that just kind of kind of got lost in this vortex. 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:28.720 But it's so weird now because now I think today 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:33.239 we're longing for R and without a hip hop now 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:36.200 without any Yeah, you know, it's interesting now. 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.320 I mean I don't know what is R and B 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:40.520 right now. I don't really get it in terms of 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:44.720 what's new ish R and B. I'm down for whatever. 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:46.640 You know, people just make your music and do whatever 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.560 you're gonna do. But it's interesting to me. Someone suggested 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:53.160 to me that if you are like Sid from the 0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:57.239 Internet or Sizza or Childish Gambino, there is a there 0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:00.360 is a community of that rhythm and blues music that 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:05.120 I can identify looking at it, like you may have tattoos, 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.919 you may have big hair, you may I mean, there's 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:11.880 a whole entity of it. If you're looking at a 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:16.640 person like me that's sort of considered adult contemporary or 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:23.279 a black adult contemporary, there's like me Letusy, who else 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:27.840 Jill Jill not really but sort of not really, I 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.080 don't think so. I think Jill is in a different 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:33.399 stratosphere because she's also like a movie star I'm talking 0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:37.040 about in terms of what's on the radio playing. She 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.880 plays on different types of stations. If you are a 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:44.040 black female and you didn't get in that entry point 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:47.239 with hip hop and you're not under thirty, there is 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:50.680 a chasm which is like R and B and dusties. 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:55.319 You know, so do you feel nice? 0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:57.400 Absolutely? 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.160 Yeah, well not do you feel a certain way, But obviously, 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.160 you know, it has to be weird for you to 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:11.759 see maybe a figure like Adele being able to pull 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:15.759 these rabbits out of the hat, not doing R and 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.919 B whatever, But you know, like her voices, her voice 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:22.000 is celebrated for that sort of thing. 0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:26.279 But it's interesting. It's has always been that way. Let's 0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:28.040 not get it twisted. It has always been that way. 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:33.279 The only thing that killed me was who gets two 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.759 chances at the Grammys? That must be nice to be 0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:37.760 afforded though. 0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:45.720 Because wow, George Michael tribute. 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:47.680 That is something. 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:53.160 If if you do not follow listen man Layla Hathaway 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:54.920 is a great follow on Twitter. 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:58.680 Follow her right now because I A, you're telling the tram. 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.000 I think it was the Grammys something she tweeted something. 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.560 She was like, why is fifth harmony? Yes? 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:13.480 Singing three part harmonies? I said, And the thing is 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:15.640 you can talk your ship because it's like, ain't none of. 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.480 I had honest questions and you know me, so you know, 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:23.080 for me to say fifth Harmony, four girls, three part 0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.439 Harmony discussed that don't mean nothing to me. I don't 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.720 have anything against those don't. 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:31.160 Forgot I forgot that with them and. 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:35.080 And and their their minions so upset words. 0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:37.920 I didn't see that. Oh yeah, yeah it was a 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:38.960 little newsworthy. 0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:40.759 It got I mean yeah, I went. It went on 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:42.160 like a couple of little blogs, and one of my 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:44.160 singers was like, okay, let me let you know. First 0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:45.640 there were five girls, they got rid of one girl, 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:49.239 and I was like, oh, okay, now I get it. 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:49.719 I don't. 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:51.160 I don't know who they are at all. 0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:54.120 Any of those twitterers, the twitter thugs say that you 0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:55.080 can't sing anyway. 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.000 Yes, I get a lot. I get a lot of 0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:58.440 I mean, who is you? 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.720 Yeah, it's more like, oh my god, hear you anyway? 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.279 You know, people really try to make me feel like, 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:12.920 ooh you shady. Like normally I'm telling the truth. You know, 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:15.479 nobody gets two chances on the Grammys. That's the truth. 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.399 Adele is great. I don't have anything against her. She's 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:21.160 doing her music and God bless her, But who the 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:25.160 fuck is two chances on Network TV? Thought this over, 0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:29.520 y'all just start over, and and you needed two chances 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.160 last year too, you. 0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:35.080 Got four chances. Yeah, wait, explain this to me. 0:56:35.400 --> 0:56:39.400 So when the first year she did, she did Hello, 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:42.400 she turned to Hello, and like she boy, her voice cracked. 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:44.640 Well, no, she was like in the wrong. 0:56:46.320 --> 0:57:00.440 Hello here he recorded Hello. I'm serious, we're. 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:03.480 Coming to it, man, you know what, Wait a minute, 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:07.600 this is where I was, okay, being at the Grammys 0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:12.560 and being backstage. I didn't watch it. What happened? 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:16.160 She she started Hello and was just in the completely 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:20.080 wrong key, and so then she like apologized for it, right, 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:20.480 She was like. 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:21.440 I don't know what happened. 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:24.000 It was very bad. I couldn't hear you know whatever. 0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:25.640 So she stopped it on National TV. 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:26.960 No, No, that was the first year. 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:30.120 That was the first year singing it, and it was bad. 0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:31.560 Second second year, it was. 0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:33.720 The George Mike Coop tribute and they had her doing 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:37.000 fast Low Yeah, which is like the I'm like, why 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:37.840 are y'all doing that? 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:39.240 And it was the one she wanted to do. 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.880 But in addition to that, they're playing the Tonic yeah, 0:57:44.080 --> 0:57:44.760 here's your key. 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:46.840 Yeah, they're playing it, and they were doing it in 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:48.040 a different arrangement. 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:48.560 Yeah, it was. 0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:51.120 It was a slow dirge like arrangement. 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:51.360 It was. 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:53.040 It was a bad idea. It was a bad idea 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:53.760 from the jump. It was. 0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.920 It was all bad. And she just up And good 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:58.840 for her for saying, no, fuck this, I'm gonna do 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:03.040 this right, I'm starting over, start over. But God bless America. 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:03.800 Did you get that. 0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:09.200 It's British? Yeah, you know, because Frank Ocean did not 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:13.240 get not another opportunity. I understand. I don't think that's 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:14.400 got enough invitations you got. 0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:18.640 If he has said let me start over, you think 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:19.360 that'll let him. 0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:32.320 My quick time said, you got thirty more quick saying 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:32.920 that out. 0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:38.680 I get tired of uh singers that are not great. 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:40.880 That's just my call it. 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:41.360 What you want. 0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:42.880 I just get tired of ship. 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:45.960 Who's Who's great anymore? 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:48.760 Like I can only take so much whisper, Yes, the 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:50.160 whisper singing is annoying. 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:54.760 And children, yes, the daughters of they are the daughters 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:55.280 of Aliah. 0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:58.400 Yeah, thank God for Jasmine. I'm just that's all I 0:58:58.400 --> 0:58:58.680 can think. 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:00.240 And you don't have to be all with the with 0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:04.760 the raw rod but singing key. You know, if there 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.520 are four of you, just somebody step out and sing 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:08.240 another note. 0:59:09.120 --> 0:59:11.400 It's ask all the question as singers, I really don't 0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.959 know and this is not a shapeful question. 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:15.720 But you're right, it isn't. 0:59:15.760 --> 0:59:21.000 But people like sid and her and uh Sizza what 0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:24.840 we called them singers like I. 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:26.280 Think sid Well personally. 0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:30.360 For me, Sid has improved a lot, absolutely and like 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:32.600 her new record if you listen to way she's singing now, 0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:35.200 to me, she sings with a lot more confidence like. 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:38.520 I would put her like with with Michael Frank. She's 0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:40.920 like the type of singer that sings her material. Really, 0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:44.600 you don't want her covering yo, you don't want her 0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:47.320 covering long walk by jokes. You know what I mean? 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:51.000 You guys can't. You're listening to this podcast. But the 0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:57.360 look on Bill's face right now is like no, no, no, no, no, 0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:59.960 not just using I know, yeah, I know what you're 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:02.800 It's not in the same sentence. It's kind of offensive 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.040 to me. It's not like just a virtual soul like 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:09.920 Bill now for said because of j Davy never getting 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:10.560 their props, So. 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:15.320 A long list, Bill, It's a long list that got 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:16.120 on the J day. 1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:18.760 I like her vibe, I like I like when she 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:21.120 sings what she's written. I like her, you know what 1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:21.360 I mean. 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:27.600 I love ye I'm sure she's nice, but yeah, I 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:28.360 was always. 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:33.240 Her Sisa is a singer. I think it's an interesting 1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:38.520 time now because a lot of people really exemplify their time, 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:42.040 and that is an art in itself. If you're going 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:45.080 to write, you know, if your whole, if your whole 1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:49.120 stease is like the accent and the thing and the 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:53.680 repetitive notes, like to me, it's math and science. But 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:58.000 she understands what that is. This is She's Yeah, she's 1:00:58.040 --> 1:01:01.560 of her time. So yeah, I would definitely I like 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:03.360 her a lot of the stuff on her record. 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:10.120 So how can you because I feel like you judge singers, 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:12.160 I mean the way that I would judge beat makers, 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:17.240 like I know, based on certain drum patches or certain 1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:21.959 small just small things that the maybe light YEA would 1:01:22.520 --> 1:01:24.880 totally get, Like, Okay, I don't see what makes this 1:01:25.040 --> 1:01:26.600 guy is so great that you think it's you know, 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:30.800 that sort of thing. So are you one of those? 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:34.000 I can tell in eight seconds if you can sing? 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:36.800 Yes, I can tell looking at you, if you could say. 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:40.120 Oh, I want to know how conversation. 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:44.960 Now you say you look at somebody, how can you. 1:01:45.000 --> 1:01:48.600 Tell what can generally glean from a person what their 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:51.600 voice sounds like looking at them. Like if I walk 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:54.320 into a room and look at everybody and take it 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:57.080 in and then one of them calls me on the phone, 1:01:57.160 --> 1:01:58.640 I can tell which one of them call me on 1:01:58.680 --> 1:01:59.000 the phone. 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:01.600 Oh wow, that is scary. 1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:04.520 It just seems super natural to me though, you know 1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:06.320 what I mean. It's not like a get it's the thing. 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:08.680 It's just it's just that's the way my ear is. 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:11.800 So what about old girl who was on Britain Scott 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:16.640 Talent whatever, like everyone losing oil? Yeah, like so the 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:21.760 white woman from she looked crazy? And then like can't 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:22.600 I can't call. 1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:25.240 It normally I can't call it, but you know I 1:02:25.280 --> 1:02:27.960 would imagine I can't say because I've seen. 1:02:27.760 --> 1:02:30.480 Her, And so just based on looking at us, you 1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:32.240 could tell I. 1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:35.040 Have an idea of what your voices sound like. It 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:38.360 may be wrong, but I definitely associate you with a sound. 1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:42.600 That was not me. 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:50.360 I actually looked at you though, I know. 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:53.800 That's why I said, But guys didn't shocked and say 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:55.800 that she does something similar to this, and then she 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:56.960 tests people in their face. 1:02:57.120 --> 1:02:58.320 That's I was wondering. I was like, have you ever 1:02:58.360 --> 1:02:59.000 had a conversation? 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:01.720 Said that she could just look at someone and see 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:02.440 if you can sing or not. 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:04.880 Yeah, was more like she if someone tells her that 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:08.160 they're a singer, she like sing sing right now, like 1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:09.480 that's are you? 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:12.640 Yeah, Like it's that's a cool thing, Like. 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:15.720 That's like that you could go down in flames like that. 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:20.200 I never want to make anybody feel bad about anything. 1:03:20.280 --> 1:03:22.160 Do people come up to you and like, yes, can 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:22.760 I sing for you? 1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:27.040 Or or this happens all the time. I sound just 1:03:27.160 --> 1:03:31.600 like your father, And I'm like, you probably don't. 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:39.000 How do you think that one? 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:42.360 Why that one? 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:55.720 I love that song, so I'm thinking so I'm trying 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:57.640 to remember it. So you're it was ten records? No, 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:00.800 you say it was ten years between the album and the. 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:02.800 Third and the third album. In that time, I made 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:05.720 a record with Joe sample. Yeah, and that's the duet's record. 1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:09.880 Okay, Okay, how did how did that come about? Hey, y'all, 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:11.040 how did y'all first have. 1:04:11.080 --> 1:04:13.240 Been playing with him since like ninety two or three 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:16.960 with Marcus Miller? Okay, and we were in Japan. We 1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:19.240 were at the Blue Note and we were having dinner 1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:20.880 one night and I said, Joe, we should make a record. 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:23.400 He said, girl, we should, Let's do it when we 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:26.000 get home. Do you any of y'all know Joe Sample? Yes, 1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:32.720 I mean he was like one of the funniest realist 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:35.560 people I have ever met in my entire life. And 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:39.440 we got back and we made that record. I went 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:41.360 in and sang with them with the band for like 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:43.880 the first day so that they could get everything done. 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:47.280 And I realized every time Joe would change the time 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:49.200 or something would happen, like I was getting tired. So 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:51.080 I said, let me just if you pick your tempos, 1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:53.640 I'll just sing everything and you have it to play too. 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:56.040 And then I went in on the following Monday with 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:58.440 Al Schmidt and just sang the record down. So the 1:04:58.520 --> 1:05:02.280 whole record is all just one singing down. 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:06.120 Doesn't that damage your voice though? After a while, which 1:05:06.120 --> 1:05:09.240 you mean you're saying that you just did the entire 1:05:09.280 --> 1:05:10.200 record of one setting. 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:12.360 Yeah, No, it's like singing five songs. It's like a 1:05:12.600 --> 1:05:14.040 half a showy. 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:18.919 You mentioned those Japan Blue Note runs. I gotta ask, 1:05:20.280 --> 1:05:22.720 was it two or three shows a day. Two? 1:05:23.040 --> 1:05:24.240 Who does three shows a day? 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:31.080 Neil fucking Diamond, I'm sorry it wasn't cute. 1:05:32.800 --> 1:05:34.960 Three shows a day is a whole lot. I've only 1:05:35.040 --> 1:05:35.600 done that once. 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:38.160 Well, I was going to say that doing doing that 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:44.000 Japan run like getting your sleep and hard adjusting. Always 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:45.800 that after that first show. 1:05:46.480 --> 1:05:50.080 And that in between they. 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:50.880 Have the food for you that you got the items 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:51.280 on top of. 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:54.280 Everyone's sleeping on those couches over there. Yeah, yes, that's 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:57.000 what they wake you up to do the second show. 1:05:57.080 --> 1:05:57.800 It's very hard. 1:05:58.240 --> 1:05:58.360 Yo. 1:05:58.680 --> 1:06:00.280 Do you feel like when you're at the Blue Note 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:01.640 or when you're in Japan? When I feel like I'm 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:04.120 in Japan, the entire country feels like a recording studio 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:04.360 to me. 1:06:04.760 --> 1:06:06.640 It's tight. Sound is tight. 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:10.480 It's literally like the sound in the streets is kind 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:12.200 of dead to me. So when I'm in a space, 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:14.560 I feel like I'm in a recording studio. 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:17.120 It's true. 1:06:18.040 --> 1:06:21.560 Yes, with the Babbling Brook playing Yes, Yes Yes. 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:23.880 Can I ask you about the Joe Sample album because 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:25.840 it's funny It was one of my favorites. But I 1:06:25.920 --> 1:06:28.040 wanted to ask you about the photo that you guys 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:31.040 have on the cover because it always it's I know, 1:06:31.160 --> 1:06:33.880 it's very endaring and sweet, but I figured, like, what 1:06:33.960 --> 1:06:35.400 did y'all, How did y'all decide that this is what 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:35.880 we're gonna do? 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:39.640 This is exactly the cover. The man said, whispering is here, 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:42.280 like you're telling him something? And I said, all right, Joe, 1:06:43.680 --> 1:06:46.600 I'm telling you something. And he said, don't stick your 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:52.560 tongue in mine. And that is exactly the photo that's 1:06:52.600 --> 1:06:58.880 on that record. He was a crazy person, one of 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:01.640 the greatest storytelling I've ever met. I would sit at 1:07:01.680 --> 1:07:04.919 his knee and just listen to him talk. Marcus Miller 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:07.320 is the same way. But Joe used to tell these 1:07:07.400 --> 1:07:10.640 stories about, you know, being in the Fifth Ward, being 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:13.200 stopped by police on the way to a gig and 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:15.720 everybody being made to get out on the street and 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:20.720 play their instruments, and because he played the piano, they 1:07:20.720 --> 1:07:21.680 would make him dance. 1:07:23.840 --> 1:07:25.760 That's Houston. He's from Houston. Okay. 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:28.440 Yeah, who knew Joe sample was from the Fifth War? 1:07:28.560 --> 1:07:29.000 Yeah, I didn't know. 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:29.760 I had no idea. 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:33.720 I always just associated him with La No, Wow, that's dope. 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:36.880 Did you have any issues in your evolution of your look? 1:07:37.640 --> 1:07:37.800 Oh? 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:40.240 Yeah, in the beginning, you know, the hair was different. 1:07:40.400 --> 1:07:42.800 The hair was different. It was a we delicious time 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:45.840 in the nineties. Everybody had to weave, and I wanted locks, 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:48.560 and everybody said, you can't have locks because that's not 1:07:48.960 --> 1:07:51.200 it's not what they do. What that was a big deal? 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:51.680 When? 1:07:51.840 --> 1:07:52.920 Was that like when you first. 1:07:54.640 --> 1:07:55.640 Out the sky? Though? 1:07:55.920 --> 1:07:58.560 Yeah, I mean I literally for that record, I look 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:00.560 like that for about a half an hour hour and 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:09.800 then went inacted my regular ship. She cleans up. Well, 1:08:10.320 --> 1:08:12.360 I don't know. I think I think it's at certain 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:16.000 points there was a lot of excuse me, confusion about 1:08:17.360 --> 1:08:20.320 what to do with me, Like this girl is, first 1:08:20.360 --> 1:08:23.640 of all, she reads books and she likes jazz, and 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:25.800 I would get in these conversations where I'm going on 1:08:27.320 --> 1:08:29.640 I'm going on BT to talk to Donny Simpson and 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:32.720 he's going to ask you who you like. Now we 1:08:32.880 --> 1:08:35.439 know that you like train and Wayne and you like 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:40.479 you know, Bud Powell. You can't say that, thank you, Yeah, please. 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:42.400 You got to say Luther Vandross, you got to say 1:08:42.479 --> 1:08:43.799 Joe to See, you got to say. 1:08:43.640 --> 1:08:46.680 You know, I had a whole little yea, the not 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:49.240 the Trainers, the little media. Yeah. 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:57.040 Yeah, that's how long I've been in this business. No, yes, yes, 1:08:58.000 --> 1:09:01.160 oh man, Yeah, they coach you. They don't want you 1:09:01.240 --> 1:09:02.600 to you know, they don't want you to look like 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:03.360 you know too much. 1:09:04.200 --> 1:09:06.439 So do you feel that when you got to outrun 1:09:06.560 --> 1:09:08.840 this guy, that was the moment where you actually took 1:09:08.880 --> 1:09:10.360 control of in a way. 1:09:10.479 --> 1:09:13.439 Yeah. I had been signed to a label called Mojazz. 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:17.400 Yeah, Motown Wayman, that label. 1:09:17.479 --> 1:09:21.720 Yeah, and yeah we made a whole record and then 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:25.200 the label just folded and I was like shit, no jazz. 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:28.280 Uh. 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:30.400 And then I took some of that stuff and moved 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:33.600 into the next record, which was Outrun the Sky. And 1:09:33.720 --> 1:09:36.200 I felt like at that point, like, oh, okay, I'm 1:09:36.240 --> 1:09:39.320 starting to marry the things that I want to do, 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:41.760 Because in the nineties I would listen to like Merry 1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:43.559 Records and Faith Records, and I would think, how come 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:45.840 to people don't bring me those types of records? How 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:47.960 come people don't bring me the beats? How come I 1:09:48.040 --> 1:09:50.960 want to dance? I like, I played video games, and 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:53.479 I ride a skateboard, and I got a truck with 1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:56.160 a subway for the lights up pink. Why don't I 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:59.439 get these Why don't I get this really interaction from people? 1:09:59.600 --> 1:09:59.840 Yeah? 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:00.600 Temporary? 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:05.160 Yeah, because because people had a perception I've been telling 1:10:05.200 --> 1:10:07.439 you forever we got to make a country record. He 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:14.360 was traumatizedzed. So the biggest, the biggest ache for me 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:16.519 in this industry is kind of like, oh my god, 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:19.280 I love you, I really want to work with you, 1:10:20.200 --> 1:10:22.560 and then nothing, nothing, Who is that? 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:23.200 In your mind? 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:23.840 Everybody? 1:10:24.120 --> 1:10:31.560 Everyone? I can everyone, almost everyone, because. 1:10:31.640 --> 1:10:33.360 In my mind I just know that you know what 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:35.680 she's speaking about specifically, not that she was talking about you, 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:40.280 because in my mind, I'm like, is she talking about 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:40.679 for real? 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:40.840 No? 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:43.960 No, because I got to work with for real? We're 1:10:43.960 --> 1:10:46.439 still supposed to make a record, you know. And And 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:48.800 the first cat that actually said I really want to 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:50.800 work with you and really did it was Mike City. 1:10:51.600 --> 1:10:53.600 Mike City came to a show and was in the 1:10:53.600 --> 1:10:55.760 back of the room like sing I'm coming back. He 1:10:55.920 --> 1:10:57.840 was heckling me. He said, I want to. 1:10:57.800 --> 1:10:58.439 Get you in the club. 1:10:59.160 --> 1:11:01.600 Yeah, I want to get you on the radio. I 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:04.320 want to do this for you. And we started writing together. 1:11:04.439 --> 1:11:06.040 So he's one of those cats that showed up. But 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:09.280 I mean the actual love that I get from people. 1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:14.240 People say, do you feel like you're underrated? And I 1:11:14.360 --> 1:11:17.320 feel like, no, I'm super highly fucking rated. 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:21.880 I'm highly would you just say underappreciated them. 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:27.120 Under underheard, underserved, I'm super appreciated. 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:30.479 Like yeah, black thought of I'm like a secret and 1:11:30.560 --> 1:11:34.360 a lot of you know, right like the singer's favorite, singer. 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:49.280 Favorite Sea, the jazz singer's favorite, over the joy. 1:11:51.479 --> 1:11:54.679 So like with the new record with oh well, before 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:57.320 we get to the new record ahead, I wanted to 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:01.519 ask you about the Darters of Soul to what was 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:02.280 that experience? 1:12:02.400 --> 1:12:02.439 Like? 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:05.120 It was cool? Uh, Sandra sat Victor put that together. 1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:07.120 Who used to be the lead of the family stand 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:14.519 absolutely it was me? Uh and dear con Nina Simone's daughter. Yes, 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:20.360 I want to call her Lisa, Yeah, Joyce Kennedy, Nonah Hendricks, 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:25.120 Joyce do changes yes she I mean it was killer 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:27.120 we did. It was a really short run, but we 1:12:27.240 --> 1:12:29.519 were in Europe, so we were really it was a 1:12:29.640 --> 1:12:32.840 really beautiful time. We tried to get it booted back up, 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:36.040 and it's so hard to sell anything of quality in 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:39.320 the United States. That is, you know, it's a hard sell. 1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:43.360 But that was a really good time for me because 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:45.360 I wasn't on the road a lot. We would go 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:48.160 do like the Poory Jazz festival and they would come 1:12:48.200 --> 1:12:50.680 take our picture and put it in a museum. You know, 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:53.680 it was a really good time and playing with those 1:12:53.720 --> 1:12:54.639 people was really great. 1:12:55.080 --> 1:13:00.120 Do you okay, do you have do you have have 1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:03.880 a tribe? Or are you this lone oasis? 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:06.680 I'm a lone wolf, but. 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:10.200 Because I feel that the only the only true way 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:18.120 to sell product is either through the controversial means of 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:22.360 which you know, the public wants blood and it's thirsty 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:28.280 for you know, curious about whatever, a backstory or kind 1:13:28.320 --> 1:13:31.679 of a tribe association. Yeah, I mean if you take 1:13:32.920 --> 1:13:37.320 Kendrick's current situation, I mean time, nine times out of ten, 1:13:38.080 --> 1:13:42.719 if you see a tde associated you know, act or whatever, 1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:45.960 you'll at least peep it for three seconds on the internet. 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:48.120 You get get what that association is. 1:13:48.439 --> 1:13:58.280 Right? So is it hard to start a community of 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:03.320 of people to gather eight or nine of you, especially 1:14:03.479 --> 1:14:06.800 when you know I would I'm not saying that it 1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:09.240 would be intimidating, but I think that what you bring 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:12.040 to the table, And I'm not I don't even mean 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:17.719 like your lineage, but you know there's in my mind 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:25.960 it's just like no bullshitting And I almost feel not unworthy. 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:32.160 But I know a bullshit you say no, no, no, 1:14:32.280 --> 1:14:34.560 But I'm just saying that a lot of times, a 1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:40.200 lot of my Eureka arrival moments comes at the from 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:42.360 a place where a lot of mistakes have to be 1:14:42.479 --> 1:14:45.599 made before I'm like, ah, this is what I'm bringing 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:50.200 to the table where I just feel like, you know, 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:52.840 you could start saying Mary had a little lamb right 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:56.320 now and this shit would be spot on bullseye. You 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:56.560 know what. 1:14:56.920 --> 1:14:59.400 I feel like I have a tribe. It's interesting because 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:01.560 what people perceive of me as kind of like this 1:15:02.240 --> 1:15:07.120 jazz urban adult contemporary type singer. That is, that is 1:15:07.200 --> 1:15:09.640 a part of who I am. But my tribe is 1:15:10.200 --> 1:15:13.320 like Robert Glasper like I'm on the Kendrick to Pimp 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:15.799 a Butterfly, Like they sample one of my entire songs 1:15:16.280 --> 1:15:20.559 for that record. I did a session three weeks ago 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:23.920 with Quick, I did a session with Battlecat and Exhibit 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:27.920 two weeks ago. I work with Terris Martin. I find 1:15:27.960 --> 1:15:31.200 that I have this initiative called real music rebels. I'm 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:34.240 generally kind of the only female and a collective. If 1:15:34.320 --> 1:15:36.559 I find myself in a collective, there are other women 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:41.320 like me, but I find that if you are a 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:45.519 musician that has a sort of education in that field, 1:15:46.080 --> 1:15:48.760 and you you play jazz and you play pop and 1:15:48.840 --> 1:15:52.280 you play like glasspur or somebody I completely relate to. 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:58.000 You know, I feel like I can go true as well. 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:00.680 He's crazier than I am. But I mean, either one 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:04.040 of us could go to any set on any bandstand 1:16:04.360 --> 1:16:08.080 and blend in or stick out. You know, I'm just 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:13.439 prepared as a musician to ex experience like what that means, 1:16:13.600 --> 1:16:15.760 like to come on and play with you guys. It's 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:17.760 not even fair because you know it's bumpers and that's 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:19.760 kind of you know that take advantage of it in 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:21.600 the room when we rehearse, like, okay, let me just 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:25.200 breathe it in. I'm super into music. I'm gonna I'm 1:16:25.240 --> 1:16:27.759 gonna make a record with Nancy Wilson and a record 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:28.639 with Kendrick Lamar. 1:16:28.840 --> 1:16:28.880 No. 1:16:29.000 --> 1:16:30.880 I already made a record with Nancy Wilson. I'm saying 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:34.360 last year, what was that like, Yes, she was not there, 1:16:35.040 --> 1:16:37.599 but the record is killer. It's Terry Lane Carrington's record, 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:42.040 which is called I can't bring it to my mind 1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:44.320 right now. I'm saying, over the course of a year. 1:16:44.560 --> 1:16:47.120 For me, that's making a record with Nancy and with 1:16:47.280 --> 1:16:51.320 Kendrick and with Quick and Snoop, and then with Vince 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:55.280 Mendoza and then maybe with Anita Baker and then you know, 1:16:55.800 --> 1:16:58.360 I'm all over the place in terms of what I 1:16:58.479 --> 1:16:58.720 can do. 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:01.280 What is his name? See Wilson project coming up? 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:04.280 It's not a project, it's it's Terry Lynn Carrington's record. 1:17:05.760 --> 1:17:10.120 Are you looking it up? Rummer? Yes, back from Yeah, 1:17:10.280 --> 1:17:11.679 she's a she's a producer. 1:17:11.800 --> 1:17:13.639 She's bigger than that now. But I'm just giving from yeah. 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:15.920 But she she that was like saying Michael Jordan, the 1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:20.599 actor from uh yeah, Hey. 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:22.680 Guys, it's all right, what Civilians. 1:17:22.760 --> 1:17:25.439 She made a record that featured me and Lettusy and 1:17:25.880 --> 1:17:30.920 and Natalie Cole and sha Ka Khan and Liz Wright 1:17:31.240 --> 1:17:33.479 and it's a great record. And Nancy Wilson was on 1:17:33.560 --> 1:17:37.400 that record, and I crafted some padding around her vocal, 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:40.479 which is for met us everything. I love Nancy Wilson, you. 1:17:40.520 --> 1:17:45.000 Know, aside Nancy Wilson. Wilson's story. So it's us on 1:17:45.120 --> 1:17:50.200 tour with Lauren Hill back in ninety nine and Lauren 1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:52.439 Hill's like towards the end of the end of the set. 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:55.840 It's like a big ass moss pit right in front 1:17:55.840 --> 1:17:59.759 of the stage, and she's doing the encore like everything 1:17:59.840 --> 1:18:04.160 is everything, and then mid verse she said stop the song. 1:18:04.200 --> 1:18:07.200 Stop the song stop, stop stop stop. Got hang on. 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:13.760 She's like she looks in the mospit. She's like Nancy. 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:14.960 Wilson in the marsh pit. 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:20.160 Why are you in the moshpit? She was like she 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:21.760 was just in the middle. Like it was just like 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:24.920 some smells like teen spiritshit like Nancy Wilson was in 1:18:25.160 --> 1:18:27.280 the middle of She's another great storyteller. 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:30.720 Oh man, Yeah, I feel like we just haven't seen 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:33.519 her a lot lately. She doesn't go out attle worried. 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:35.559 Last time I saw her, she told me, she said, 1:18:35.760 --> 1:18:37.120 I'm not going to be doing this much longer. 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:38.040 Oh wow. 1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:42.360 She's just she's she's she's comfortable and she's happy and 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:44.720 she's with her family and she's good. She just ain't 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:48.400 making records right now. And and Terry recorded her for 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:51.320 that record, and I wanted to just add some color 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:55.120 for her, you know, kind of breathing. You know, it's cool. 1:18:55.800 --> 1:18:59.720 Oh that what's up? I always wanted to ask you 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:02.400 about out your record. The word it all begins record 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:06.840 with Ernie g What's what was that like? Because I 1:19:06.920 --> 1:19:08.640 love that song, like I love that song. You know, 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:10.679 I love the album, but I love. 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:14.519 That song too. Bobby Sparks brought me that song, ah okay, 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:18.720 and the moment I heard it, I was like, oh 1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:22.240 my god, that that that whole baseline, the movement of 1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:23.760 that record. Sometimes I put it on it makes me 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:25.519 very happy. I still have not met him. 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:30.600 Oh so you y'all, Wow, y'all for in exchange it? 1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:33.439 Damn he Si. 1:19:33.560 --> 1:19:35.639 He gave Bobby that record and said get this record 1:19:35.680 --> 1:19:37.680 to her, and then I wrote the lyric and the 1:19:37.760 --> 1:19:39.320 melody and everything and recorded it. 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:43.160 Oh okay. So in the studio, who's your who's your 1:19:43.280 --> 1:19:44.160 right here? So to speak? 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:47.280 Like you clearly, if you're with an engineer, you have 1:19:47.400 --> 1:19:49.760 someone that's like, okay, maybe you can do that again better, 1:19:49.920 --> 1:19:52.960 or like who gives you feedback during your sessions? 1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:55.519 Whomember I'm working with, you know, I keep it like 1:19:55.600 --> 1:19:59.320 a tight circle. I ultimately am harder on myself than 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:02.880 anyone will let a lot of times, if I'm working 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:04.800 on my own stuff, it's hard because when I go 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:07.400 to work with people, which happens a lot, I'll sing 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:09.559 it once and they won't let me. They won't let 1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:12.799 me go again, and I'm like, you don't discover anything 1:20:12.960 --> 1:20:17.400 like that, you know. I appreciate the fact that it's 1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:19.800 whatever is on the top of your head, you know, 1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:22.240 And it's the spontaneity of it. And it's exciting for 1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:24.080 me to go into a session and not know what's 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:28.559 going to happen. And that's what you got. But there 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:30.439 are things listening back. I wish I had taken a 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:33.080 little more time with so for me, in my sessions, 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:37.280 everybody's allowed to talk. It's all super democratic. Ultimately, I 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:41.920 am gonna be like, Okay, that wasn't that's that was terrible? 1:20:42.240 --> 1:20:44.120 What was that? And what is it that you're what 1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:44.880 you're listening for? 1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:45.360 Like what it? 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:48.120 Because I'm trying to imagine what does a terrible Leyla 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:49.680 Hathaway take sound like, Oh, it. 1:20:49.680 --> 1:20:52.760 Could be cracky, it could be just clams floating out. 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.320 It could be the color is wrong for me. It's 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:58.720 about color a lot of times, you know, or that 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:03.479 didn't taste right happen or you know, let me just 1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:06.080 make that prettier, or it's any number of things. 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:09.640 Do you have like physical rituals and no warm ups. No, 1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:10.840 not even the fun. 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:13.240 Wait you don't do is seth riggs warm up. 1:21:13.200 --> 1:21:15.439 Things sometimes I do with my singers, like if they're 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:20.519 doing it, I'll do it with them. Yeah, but not really. 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:23.200 It's not necessary to warm up your voice. No, I 1:21:23.240 --> 1:21:25.400 think it is, But I talk all day, so yeah, 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:27.639 I was going to say, I get the feeling. There's 1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:31.479 there's two types of singers, I know, like the the 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:37.240 rigorous exercise like the quote professional singers that do all that, 1:21:39.120 --> 1:21:46.559 and then there's the singers that talk and sing twenty 1:21:46.600 --> 1:21:49.160 four to seven to themselves. Are you one of these 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:53.080 in public? And I don't mean like in public like 1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:55.800 in a Fame Way breakout and song now, but like 1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:58.799 when you're home alone, are you talking to yourself? 1:21:58.880 --> 1:21:59.080 Are you? 1:21:59.560 --> 1:21:59.600 No? 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:01.519 Not really, not out loud. 1:22:02.000 --> 1:22:05.200 My voice is always in some sort of state of 1:22:05.400 --> 1:22:09.240 warmth because of the quality of my voice. So I 1:22:09.400 --> 1:22:14.000 recognize that even when it's cold, like right now, it's cold, 1:22:14.240 --> 1:22:17.519 and if I sang it would sound okay on the 1:22:17.720 --> 1:22:20.040 okay scale, it would not sound okay. 1:22:19.880 --> 1:22:21.880 To me where we are right now it's cold to you, 1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:23.519 like my voice would be cold. 1:22:23.600 --> 1:22:26.280 Yeah, okay, because I haven't sang and I'm sitting here 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:28.960 on a mic and it doesn't sound necessarily. My speaking 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:30.920 voice to me is super annoying. It's like a weird 1:22:31.520 --> 1:22:35.599 mirror that is like you're looking at really close. 1:22:35.880 --> 1:22:40.760 Really yeah, you have a very saltry speaking very yeah, 1:22:41.080 --> 1:22:51.000 I know, but I wonder here's the thing. I was like, 1:22:51.120 --> 1:22:54.400 I wonder if Layla's trying to nerd up her. No, 1:22:54.680 --> 1:22:56.280 this is me a voice. 1:22:56.400 --> 1:22:57.280 This is super mean. 1:22:57.479 --> 1:23:02.080 But the line between a point extra voice and it's crazy, 1:23:02.280 --> 1:23:06.320 a very I imagine your your phone, your nighttime phone 1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:09.120 voice is on some next ship. 1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:13.960 It's regular. My mourning phone voice is definitely Susan Plashett 1:23:14.120 --> 1:23:21.559 all day, the references, all day, Bob. It's very low. 1:23:21.960 --> 1:23:24.439 My voice is just really low by nature. And I 1:23:24.560 --> 1:23:26.920 practiced kind of talking up higher. I got intimidated at 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:29.479 some point, like girls don't talk like that, and I 1:23:29.520 --> 1:23:31.080 started sort of trying to lift it up and make 1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:32.760 it bubblier and more. 1:23:32.960 --> 1:23:36.479 You know, I think that you're on the Kathleen Turner 1:23:36.720 --> 1:23:47.960 very soldier. M we wait, speaking of where it all begins, Steve, 1:23:48.080 --> 1:23:50.960 you should note that she worked with Phil Ramone. 1:23:52.080 --> 1:23:55.639 Could you what was He's awesome? I loved him so much. 1:23:55.920 --> 1:23:56.840 Produce something for you. 1:23:57.280 --> 1:23:59.960 Well, we did this thing when we worked on that record, 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:02.800 We had a live We had a chance to go 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:05.040 into Capitol Live and record in the A room and 1:24:05.120 --> 1:24:07.320 it was going to be Auschmidt and Phil Ramon. So 1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:10.040 I got to record four of my records with them 1:24:10.160 --> 1:24:13.560 that day. And it was awesome because basically he just 1:24:13.600 --> 1:24:18.280 walked around and smiled and that's magnanimous and made jokes 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:19.720 and he's really cool. 1:24:20.920 --> 1:24:24.280 Yeah, I'm sorry, Oh no, I just wanted to talk 1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:27.679 to you about your new record, honestly, and the hate. 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:31.040 Well we talked, you know, we talked. 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:34.040 This is offline, but how I guess a lot of 1:24:34.120 --> 1:24:36.800 your traditional R and B fans are like. 1:24:37.479 --> 1:24:39.080 They mad mad as hell. 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:43.360 They mad because the saxophone on the record and the 1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:46.679 record I cussed on the record. I cussed on Outrun 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:49.920 the Sky too, But they missed that record. You know, 1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:55.639 people really have come to know that they can come 1:24:55.920 --> 1:24:59.639 and just suckle on my bosom and I will rock 1:24:59.720 --> 1:25:02.360 them to sleep and remind them of their mother. 1:25:02.479 --> 1:25:02.600 You know. 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:05.720 Michelle told me, she said you are my sexy Mehelia, 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:08.719 Oh my god, And I said, that is the worst 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:12.000 up to But I get it. I get it. I 1:25:12.120 --> 1:25:14.920 get that there is something in me that for people 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:20.599 is provocative, but it's also genetic, like a genetic, soulful 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:23.160 memory of their mother. I understand that. 1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:29.679 Wait, because I know it's coming. I want to suckle. 1:25:29.760 --> 1:25:38.760 I'm sorry, I do, it's coming. I just I'm sorry 1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:40.600 pressed the tugar before you even got to say it. 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:53.920 Hilarious on a circle. But I really like the new record. 1:25:54.040 --> 1:25:54.679 I think it's dope. 1:25:54.720 --> 1:25:57.519 I like that, and I mean we I texted you 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:00.760 all the ship before, but no, I like that you 1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:06.760 that you're not You play a lot younger than you are. 1:26:06.960 --> 1:26:08.320 I think you know what I'm saying. What I mean 1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:09.800 by that is just like I think a lot of 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:12.560 times it's three instead of twenty eight. Yeah, exactly, And 1:26:12.640 --> 1:26:14.760 I mean right, and I mean a lot of times 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:19.040 people in the ac or urban contemporary they kind of 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:21.080 aged themselves too early, you know what I'm saying. It's 1:26:21.160 --> 1:26:23.880 just like, dude, you, I look at somebody like Charlie 1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:27.040 Wilson that can sing over whatever and be timeless, you 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:27.599 know what I'm saying. 1:26:27.720 --> 1:26:30.000 And so the thing I do like about your record 1:26:30.160 --> 1:26:33.840 is that you're doing stuff that will be considered young. 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:36.680 But you have the flexibility to do it, and the 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:38.600 shit is dope and like there's only nine songs like 1:26:38.640 --> 1:26:39.320 this is yeah. 1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:42.040 I mean honestly, I started it as an EP and 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:43.640 then I thought, oh, we could keep going, and then 1:26:43.680 --> 1:26:46.280 we just kept going. But the record to me feels 1:26:46.360 --> 1:26:49.799 like my record's in the nineties, you know what obvious 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:52.640 and you gotta going on and the Chucky Records and 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:55.280 the Keith Crouch records. I love those records. So for me, 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:59.640 it was about presenting something that was a little bit different, you. 1:26:59.680 --> 1:27:01.760 Know, and talk about Tiffany because I don't really know 1:27:01.840 --> 1:27:04.040 if I've heard of is a. 1:27:04.120 --> 1:27:09.639 Young woman producer, songwriter, singer. We did the whole record together. 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:12.519 She has records out, she got a new single out 1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:15.720 right now. And it was exciting to me to work 1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:18.200 with one person. I didn't know going into that that 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:22.600 would that's what I was doing, you know, I had 1:27:22.720 --> 1:27:26.360 never done a record with just one person. I'm getting 1:27:26.479 --> 1:27:29.599 ready to start working with a cat named Phil Boudreaux. 1:27:30.320 --> 1:27:35.080 What come on, man, do you understand how excited I am? 1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:37.680 Phil is uh. 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:41.920 He's one part of a group AOI, which is him 1:27:42.000 --> 1:27:45.360 and Dewan Parkerdwan Parker as a producer, keyboard player. He 1:27:45.439 --> 1:27:48.040 used to be in Dre's camp, like back during like 1:27:48.160 --> 1:27:50.720 the Lost Ones era. I think that's him on the 1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:54.960 Lost Ones. I think, but like Lost Ones and all 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:58.320 those records around that, like seven, I was like, wait 1:27:58.320 --> 1:28:02.519 a minute, now, jay Z Lost Ones. But yeah, and 1:28:02.640 --> 1:28:04.960 so they have a group called ao E that is 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:07.160 fucking amazing and Phil also is. 1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:10.120 A producer, player, keyboard player. 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:12.400 And he's just fucking stupid. 1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:16.000 Yeah that ep I listened to it. Probably it's one 1:28:16.080 --> 1:28:17.960 of them. Is my like my wake up alarm which 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:18.880 one never know me? 1:28:19.040 --> 1:28:20.200 Oh my god? Yeah, that's. 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:26.320 Adding him to my pandora right now. 1:28:26.640 --> 1:28:28.760 It's on a well Field bow Drow. He has a 1:28:28.840 --> 1:28:31.560 solo I'm called Ethoist Dope, but just ao E is 1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:33.759 the uh that's hard to google. 1:28:34.240 --> 1:28:37.680 Get ready getting ready to work with him. I'm very 1:28:37.960 --> 1:28:39.360 very excited about. 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:41.880 I won't end on that something some. 1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:45.880 I'm excited. I told him I wanted to record this 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:47.240 Dion Warwick record, which one? 1:28:47.400 --> 1:28:47.680 Do you know? 1:28:47.800 --> 1:28:54.720 This song in between thanks you Hold Me Close in. 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:56.639 It's on track of the Cat. 1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:05.400 I don't know. It's a background song, insane. It is 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:08.320 a beautiful record and I can't wait to record it. 1:29:08.920 --> 1:29:10.599 I get excited like by songs. 1:29:11.120 --> 1:29:13.040 Yeah, never know. It's funny you mentioned that because never 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:15.080 know me. I told him that that reminded me of 1:29:15.160 --> 1:29:16.320 a back kind of melody. 1:29:16.520 --> 1:29:18.840 It is gorgeous, isn't it. It's kind of like a 1:29:18.880 --> 1:29:21.960 Willy Walker melody as well? You know what I mean. 1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:24.960 It's kind of like that record imagination in a way. 1:29:25.400 --> 1:29:28.679 Oh my god, that's a it's a it's a killer. 1:29:28.960 --> 1:29:29.760 It's a killer record. 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:34.439 That's what I wouldn't pick your brain on. Just quirky ship. 1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:39.679 I feel like you're the person that like probably knows 1:29:39.760 --> 1:29:41.840 like Marlo Thomas is free to be you and me 1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:46.480 like I sh. 1:29:53.000 --> 1:29:57.680 Wow, wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:03.960 Yeah, but I mean it, I never I always wanted 1:30:03.960 --> 1:30:07.439 to avoid the cliche questions like where your desert island 1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:11.080 disco or whatever? But what a desert out of video games? Hmmm? 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.719 All right, I'm a Final Fantasy person. But the last 1:30:15.040 --> 1:30:17.640 episode of Final Fantasy they fucked it up totally and 1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:21.320 turned it into like Entourage, just like it's like four 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:22.200 dudes in a car. 1:30:23.040 --> 1:30:25.280 So I've never gotten I never got. 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:26.960 Into the Japanese. 1:30:28.080 --> 1:30:29.360 Okay, I have no idea. 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:30.360 What you guys are talking. 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:31.320 About the video games? 1:30:31.920 --> 1:30:34.519 I do that beyond that, that's phrasing. 1:30:34.600 --> 1:30:36.320 I was just saying, I just got to switch. That's 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:36.800 pretty fun. 1:30:37.240 --> 1:30:38.680 I was looking at the switch, but I was like, 1:30:39.240 --> 1:30:43.000 I mean, are you still keeping for a switch? 1:30:44.000 --> 1:30:44.120 Right? 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:44.400 Hair? 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:46.920 Oh that's what I was. I was like, why are 1:30:46.920 --> 1:30:54.240 you carrying brother purse? Look like a clutch. 1:30:54.560 --> 1:30:57.960 The remotes are so small they don't make sense. 1:30:58.000 --> 1:30:59.240 I had to buy the prop control. 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:00.840 You take them off, you leave yours on. 1:31:01.479 --> 1:31:03.519 It depends, I mean, if I'm doing it handheld. 1:31:03.600 --> 1:31:06.280 Okay, So I had a handheld game like that before, 1:31:06.520 --> 1:31:08.000 which was called The Atari Links. 1:31:08.120 --> 1:31:10.519 Yes, I remember, I remember that. I remember that. I 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:12.000 remember that. 1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:15.400 Mm so, are you like a Mario? What's your I'm 1:31:16.080 --> 1:31:17.920 I was gonna say, are you the Mario person? Are 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:18.679 you the gun? 1:31:19.760 --> 1:31:20.120 Things? 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:21.759 First person shooting? 1:31:21.880 --> 1:31:24.400 I like them. I get tired of them. I really 1:31:24.560 --> 1:31:29.880 miss like, really good full games with stories, you know 1:31:29.920 --> 1:31:30.240 what I mean. 1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:33.240 That's why I like The Last of Us. 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:35.800 I started it, Oh my god, I got stuck in 1:31:35.800 --> 1:31:37.200 the warehouse. I never finished it. 1:31:38.080 --> 1:31:40.439 It's like the greatest screenplay. It was better than a 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:45.479 lot of movies that came out I will now too. 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:49.000 It's coming. So how do I get back on the bandwagon? 1:31:49.080 --> 1:31:51.400 Because I'm the guy that actually switched? 1:31:51.840 --> 1:31:52.360 Get a switch? 1:31:53.040 --> 1:31:56.679 I got like a stock of this stuff, like sitting 1:31:56.720 --> 1:31:59.160 in the closet. Never like I'll give it away for Christmas? 1:31:59.479 --> 1:31:59.720 Keep it? 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:04.240 I mean, yeah, I mean I got like I have everything, 1:32:04.720 --> 1:32:05.639 but I still have everything? 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:08.840 Can I even get back on the bandwagon? Get back on? 1:32:08.960 --> 1:32:12.599 I mean I think I got a Merlin last what Merlin? 1:32:12.680 --> 1:32:13.040 Marlin? 1:32:13.320 --> 1:32:17.720 Remember Merlin? Yeah, my friend gave it to me for 1:32:17.800 --> 1:32:18.200 my birthday. 1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:19.280 You have Merlin? 1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:21.479 Where is Merlin now? He's out on the porch. 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:24.200 I was addicted to that. I ever broken one. 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:26.680 You have been on my life? And what is now? 1:32:26.720 --> 1:32:27.360 It's a it's a game. 1:32:27.520 --> 1:32:27.680 It was. 1:32:27.840 --> 1:32:30.000 It's a game system. It looks like a big red phone. 1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:36.519 Yo, Marl. Yeah, I'm seventy one. Yeah, yeah, there's that 1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:41.360 separates us. YEA Merlin was like right after that, you know, 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:44.040 right after the like the home the first home system 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:45.760 of television. 1:32:45.960 --> 1:32:49.800 Yeah, precedes like Simon handheld. 1:32:50.240 --> 1:32:51.439 You know, it's like the first. 1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:53.120 Remember that. 1:32:53.320 --> 1:32:56.800 I do not I've never seen this before. You have 1:32:57.080 --> 1:32:58.599 a working Maryland? 1:32:58.760 --> 1:32:59.759 I do it works? 1:33:00.600 --> 1:33:03.040 I cannot love you more than this moment? 1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:03.200 Right? 1:33:03.760 --> 1:33:06.040 Can you have live nearby and. 1:33:07.560 --> 1:33:08.360 Over by the airport? 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:10.479 Where is this? 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:14.320 Oh man, my friend gave it to is in mint condition? 1:33:14.840 --> 1:33:15.559 I need to finance. 1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:18.320 I need to google that person loves you to Death, 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:23.080 because there's one on Amazon right now. Do you remember much. 1:33:26.320 --> 1:33:27.000 That's cheap? 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:30.800 Do you remember the game Einstein? It was like it 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:32.960 was sort of like it was Simon, but it was 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:36.080 like what the Jewish parents bought that we couldn't we 1:33:36.120 --> 1:33:38.840 couldn't get. They didn't want to play for Simon, so 1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:41.519 they got It was like a rectangle and it had 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:45.559 for for you know, yeah, this is not a joke. 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:50.360 It's called Einstein. Yeah, seriously, after after Simon was like, 1:33:50.920 --> 1:33:52.960 it was like the it's like an a person. 1:33:53.920 --> 1:34:03.920 Super remember that one? Everyone? Did you ever get into Doom? 1:34:04.240 --> 1:34:05.000 You were you were doing? 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:08.040 I get My eyes were like, okay, I need people 1:34:08.120 --> 1:34:11.200 in the scenes. I want to be you know, I 1:34:11.200 --> 1:34:14.439 would play Call of Duty now, but generally I'm gonna 1:34:14.520 --> 1:34:17.560 get into a group and listen to everyone cussing and 1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:19.519 then hide in the corner and pick people off at 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:20.680 the angles. That's what I'm gonna do. 1:34:21.080 --> 1:34:23.960 So for me, the shooters are like, I get bored fast, 1:34:25.680 --> 1:34:27.400 so Final Fantasy and then what else? What else? 1:34:27.400 --> 1:34:33.479 You like Mario, Zelda, you know, Zelda, Donkey Kong, all those. 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:37.680 But I also like love Halo, and you know, I 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:41.639 like a lot of the original games. I didn't like Tried, 1:34:42.320 --> 1:34:45.519 I tried, It's not it passed over. It's not for us. 1:34:45.560 --> 1:34:47.160 It's that video game they made a movie out of. 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:50.280 I just watched it on a lot of them, seriously, 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:51.200 like the Battle. 1:34:53.920 --> 1:34:54.599 Ratchet and Clay. 1:34:54.960 --> 1:34:56.439 It was like a whole dragon. 1:34:57.160 --> 1:35:00.000 Mortal Kombat. You the codes for like all the things 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:11.599 aalties and wow wow yeah yeah yeah. A new Mortal 1:35:11.640 --> 1:35:14.080 Kombat now is like super fucking brow now, like, yeah, 1:35:14.240 --> 1:35:15.599 super graphic. It's crazy. 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:20.200 Yeah, I mean the way they snapped the heart out 1:35:20.280 --> 1:35:21.360 must be like real crazy. 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:25.280 It's like the slow motion pan into the jaw breaking. 1:35:26.040 --> 1:35:26.439 I love that. 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:31.960 Come here, so you're a gamer? What else do you do? 1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:37.960 I have a dog, This dog I do. His name 1:35:38.040 --> 1:35:38.519 is Boston. 1:35:39.040 --> 1:35:39.720 What kind of dog? 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:40.840 He's a b Shan? 1:35:42.760 --> 1:35:42.960 Huh? 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:44.759 What a b Shan? 1:35:46.520 --> 1:35:47.720 That's like a black name. 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:53.160 What He's like one of those dogs that was bred 1:35:53.280 --> 1:35:56.679 to entertain in the circus. They have the fluffy little Afro, 1:35:56.920 --> 1:35:58.720 the white dog with the fluffy. 1:35:58.439 --> 1:35:59.800 Afro carrying Louis. 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:02.240 No, he's big and he's he doesn't look like that. 1:36:02.360 --> 1:36:04.120 He's he's super scrappy. 1:36:04.200 --> 1:36:08.920 Okay, and his name is Boston. Boston. I thought it 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:10.639 would be sewn. That's the type. 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:13.519 No, and you know I'm DJing now, I'm trying talk 1:36:13.560 --> 1:36:17.040 about it. Wait a minute, I'm trying. And I had 1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:18.479 I had a birthday party a couple of weeks ago, 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:20.280 and then Battlecat showed up and I was like, I'll 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:24.080 just wait till you finished. I just wait. 1:36:25.160 --> 1:36:29.680 I'm certain that you can curate music as good as 1:36:29.720 --> 1:36:32.080 you sing it, and you have rhythm. 1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:34.720 Thank you from your lips. I hope. What's interesting to 1:36:34.800 --> 1:36:39.560 me is to look at two records now that in 1:36:39.680 --> 1:36:42.560 my head before, like oh if I had a if I, 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:47.040 if I had a Janet Jackson a cappella for when 1:36:47.080 --> 1:36:50.360 I think of you, can I put it over anything? 1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:52.439 On the Weather Report? Eight thirty records? 1:36:54.120 --> 1:36:54.600 How can I? 1:36:55.120 --> 1:36:55.800 What can I do? 1:36:56.520 --> 1:37:01.040 Wait? Was that you that told me the greatest set? Yeah? 1:37:01.160 --> 1:37:03.880 Well he did a return Forever something for He played 1:37:04.000 --> 1:37:06.680 his fourteen minute return Forever song and came out of 1:37:06.760 --> 1:37:10.120 it and it worked central heating, by cold, by heat wave, 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:12.720 by heat wave, and it worked, and it worked like 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:15.439 it was just the most cathartic experience because it's like 1:37:15.479 --> 1:37:17.880 fourteen minutes of just fucking chaos and then all of 1:37:17.920 --> 1:37:22.599 a sudden and it's like, oh, yes, I love those 1:37:22.680 --> 1:37:24.519 moments that was that it was wild. I would never 1:37:24.600 --> 1:37:26.760 try that. That's a holy grail moment for a DJ. 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:27.200 No. 1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:31.800 I think the art of DJing really is and you know, 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:34.760 like parents sort of ask me, now, you know, it's 1:37:34.880 --> 1:37:37.519 like there's a generation of button pressure kids or whatever. 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:42.479 So I don't know if I should enable them and 1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:45.880 just you know, create start creating a generation of DJ's 1:37:45.920 --> 1:37:48.160 that I'm a hate. Once they turn to understand, it's 1:37:48.160 --> 1:37:50.280 gonna happen whether you do it or not. Right. But 1:37:50.479 --> 1:37:53.880 the thing is is that I tell them that, above 1:37:54.000 --> 1:37:58.960 all else one, you should really love music. That's that's 1:37:59.240 --> 1:38:02.000 the number one impetus. Yeah, And I think that the 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:05.599 art of DJing really is knowing or at least having 1:38:05.640 --> 1:38:08.719 a good guest to which for any song you play, 1:38:09.400 --> 1:38:13.519 there should be five songs that can perfectly exactly right 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:18.000 and you're just playing some sort of psychological you're playing 1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:19.519 psychological control with your. 1:38:19.439 --> 1:38:23.200 Audience absolutely and telling them a story along the way, 1:38:23.720 --> 1:38:27.080 Like when we play we have sometimes we put Rocket 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:29.040 with You in a set, right, So at the end 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:33.679 of Rock with You, we played that vampom. We stay 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:36.840 there and then I sing like fifteen Michael songs over 1:38:36.960 --> 1:38:40.400 that vamp right, you know, And it maintained a melody, 1:38:40.640 --> 1:38:42.120 just singing it in that key. 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:46.439 Right, you know, and yeah, you can do it, Okay, Yeah, 1:38:46.479 --> 1:38:48.240 talk to me about because we talk about it. Talking 1:38:48.240 --> 1:38:51.719 to me about covering, Well, I guess recovering I'm coming 1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:56.000 back on what was that like to revisit that twenty. 1:38:55.880 --> 1:39:00.160 Years I love that record and I knew going in 1:39:00.600 --> 1:39:03.040 that it was a song I wanted to record live 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:04.960 because the arrangement that we have of it is so 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:09.640 different from the other arrangement. It was just one of 1:39:09.680 --> 1:39:11.840 those songs I knew, Like when we asked people what 1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:14.439 do you want to hear the shows, that's the number 1:39:14.520 --> 1:39:16.960 one record that they want to hear, Which is interesting 1:39:17.000 --> 1:39:19.000 to me because no matter how much people say, you know, 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:21.559 maybe he picked up the tempo to show a little 1:39:21.600 --> 1:39:23.920 and do this and do that, people want to come 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:26.360 and be wrung out and they love that record. 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:30.120 And that was that was never officially a single right now. No, 1:39:30.560 --> 1:39:31.160 that's amazing. 1:39:31.520 --> 1:39:33.760 No, you know Gary Taylor wrote that song. 1:39:33.920 --> 1:39:36.879 He's yeah, he wrote whispers and yes. 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:42.920 He also wrote the song that I demoed that he 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:46.240 then gave to Anita Baker, which is good love you 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:59.559 know that record, Thanks for that. I demoed that record 1:39:59.600 --> 1:40:02.200 for an to basically I did it for my record, 1:40:02.240 --> 1:40:04.560 and he's like, you know, my kids want to go 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:08.160 to college. So I was like, yes, let's do it. 1:40:08.240 --> 1:40:10.799 So that was my first kind of sort of interaction 1:40:10.920 --> 1:40:12.920 with her. I was so excited that when I heard 1:40:13.000 --> 1:40:15.760 her she was singing it sort of in the way 1:40:15.800 --> 1:40:16.360 I was singing. 1:40:16.720 --> 1:40:20.320 I was like, wow, you know you're do you have 1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:31.200 an original your copy of it? Wow? That can you 1:40:31.280 --> 1:40:32.320 cook to? Yeah? 1:40:35.960 --> 1:40:37.400 She'll go to dish over there lately. 1:40:37.640 --> 1:40:39.640 You know, I will make a chicken real quick. It 1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:42.760 seems simple, but yeah I would. I would just make 1:40:42.800 --> 1:40:46.280 a whole chicken with your size, might make some greens, 1:40:46.360 --> 1:40:46.519 you know. 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:55.800 You know. Okay, wait are you Jack and are you 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:56.640 find out for me? 1:40:57.120 --> 1:41:02.720 Oh? Yeah, that's what I was doing. Yeah, potato, I. 1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:04.679 Think right now is the pot roast? Like I'm trying 1:41:04.680 --> 1:41:05.720 to really perfect. 1:41:05.360 --> 1:41:07.559 A pot roast. I mean my first pot roast. 1:41:07.760 --> 1:41:09.160 Dude is super meat and potatoes. 1:41:09.200 --> 1:41:09.360 Dude. 1:41:09.400 --> 1:41:10.320 He is from Nebraska, so. 1:41:13.400 --> 1:41:17.719 Wow to raise Wait you said you made a pot roast. 1:41:18.400 --> 1:41:21.600 So all those posts that was you cooking? Oh? I 1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:25.200 thought you were watching people cook cook me my bad. Okay, 1:41:26.040 --> 1:41:28.519 it's fun now that the pot rolls. The crock pot 1:41:28.640 --> 1:41:29.680 is also a life saving to. 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:32.040 You put it on and just like I like the 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:33.840 big Dutch obb and I like to just cook it 1:41:33.920 --> 1:41:34.360 really slow. 1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:44.719 So are you satisfied with life? 1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:49.800 Pot roast? No? 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:50.479 Just and. 1:41:52.560 --> 1:41:56.600 Where you are right now? Are you satisfied? M I 1:41:56.640 --> 1:42:03.720 mean all artists are insatiable, but are you? Is there 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:05.760 anything left? You know? Oh? 1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:06.080 God? 1:42:06.200 --> 1:42:08.800 Yeah? Well, I mean okay, that's a bad question. Ask 1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:12.240 is there anything Everyone wants a world domination, but kind 1:42:12.280 --> 1:42:15.720 of like Denar on heat, like that whole thirty seconds thing, like, ye, 1:42:16.760 --> 1:42:19.160 is there something behind you that makes you want a 1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:21.599 lot's wife turn around and just be like okay, let 1:42:21.680 --> 1:42:25.080 me I want the number one pop single. 1:42:24.960 --> 1:42:27.400 Or yeah fuck it? I mean yeah, I want all 1:42:27.439 --> 1:42:32.599 that I want. I want to I want to see 1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:38.280 what my potential is. I'm on the path. I feel 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:42.320 like I'm just like, literally, I'm singing for twenty years 1:42:42.439 --> 1:42:45.760 or twenty three years on record, and then one day 1:42:45.800 --> 1:42:47.920 I just sing a chord on a record. What will 1:42:47.960 --> 1:42:50.360 happen in twenty years from now, Like, I don't know 1:42:50.560 --> 1:42:55.560 what's gonna happen. I really want to realize what I have, 1:42:56.160 --> 1:42:57.519 and I feel like I'm just at the top of 1:42:57.600 --> 1:42:58.040 it right now. 1:42:58.600 --> 1:43:00.560 I would agree you to me, You're one of the 1:43:00.640 --> 1:43:02.760 few people I know that it seems like, you know, 1:43:02.920 --> 1:43:05.200 have a twenty plus years in it. Really just feel 1:43:05.240 --> 1:43:06.240 like you're just getting started. 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:10.040 And I feel like it is crazy to me, Like 1:43:10.120 --> 1:43:12.519 I know a lot of girls went like that, and 1:43:12.600 --> 1:43:14.479 I feel like I'm sort of you know. At times, 1:43:14.520 --> 1:43:16.560 it has felt like it ebbed off and then it 1:43:16.600 --> 1:43:18.560 would creep up a little bit. But I feel like 1:43:18.600 --> 1:43:21.920 I'm on the path. I definitely would like the opportunity. 1:43:24.240 --> 1:43:27.640 There seems to be a weird like when I go 1:43:27.680 --> 1:43:32.400 to radio stations or when we do pitches for TV, 1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:35.080 when we do all the stuff, people are always like, 1:43:36.000 --> 1:43:38.040 oh my god, we love you. I have your record 1:43:38.080 --> 1:43:40.680 in my car. I sang your father song at my 1:43:40.800 --> 1:43:43.800 father's funeral. Your record and your dad's record got me 1:43:43.840 --> 1:43:48.960 through divorce all of these, uh, these monumental landmarks that 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:53.120 people have me in their life, and it's hard to 1:43:53.360 --> 1:43:57.439 plug those in in a mainstream way. It's it's a 1:43:57.600 --> 1:44:00.000 it's a weird situation for me because like I'm from Chicago, 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:03.040 they don't really play my records in Chicago on the radio. 1:44:03.560 --> 1:44:06.479 Whenever I go through Chicago, I make time to go 1:44:07.360 --> 1:44:09.920 to the radio station and meet everybody. I know, everybody. 1:44:10.520 --> 1:44:14.040 I've sang it, everybody's kids birthday, you know what I'm saying, 1:44:14.640 --> 1:44:17.280 Like everybody loves me, and there's no you know, I've 1:44:17.320 --> 1:44:18.320 been seeing these a lot. 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:21.960 Of people, people like the idea of people that have help. 1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:23.000 The concept of it, and. 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:26.120 Yeah, can you not alone? 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:29.920 I recognize that, I believe. 1:44:30.760 --> 1:44:34.920 Oh yeah. But see, the thing is is, as long 1:44:35.040 --> 1:44:41.920 as you avoid the crazy potholes and you don't seem 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:45.360 like a person that I will say that we'll really 1:44:45.439 --> 1:44:51.600 truly separates you from a lot of the contemporaries of 1:44:51.720 --> 1:44:56.120 yours that I personally know and personal life male and female. 1:44:57.360 --> 1:45:02.200 Is you don't seem to have, at least on surface, 1:45:03.760 --> 1:45:08.960 any any saboteur kind of spirit about you. You seem 1:45:09.040 --> 1:45:14.000 rather fearless, and your approach to stuff, mistakes could be 1:45:14.080 --> 1:45:16.479 made or whatever. Let me try this out. Let me okay, 1:45:16.560 --> 1:45:18.599 let me get with this good. Let me try snarky puppy. 1:45:18.680 --> 1:45:21.320 Let me go into like you're just you're curious about it, 1:45:21.439 --> 1:45:25.000 and you just with reckless abandonment. You just you just 1:45:25.160 --> 1:45:27.200 indulge yourself in it, which is good because a lot 1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:31.760 of times, a lot of singers I see, they will 1:45:32.200 --> 1:45:35.920 second guess and talk themselves out of a good thing 1:45:36.439 --> 1:45:41.680 and that sort of thing and tailspin until you know 1:45:42.160 --> 1:45:44.080 it's fifteen years between albums. 1:45:44.280 --> 1:45:49.040 Yeah, that's sort of okay. So before I wrap up, okay, 1:45:49.520 --> 1:45:52.600 oh well yeah, we talk about your grammy, Well you 1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:54.960 have multiple singing. 1:45:55.160 --> 1:45:56.800 Can I can I can? I can I make this 1:45:57.000 --> 1:45:59.920 to my personal therapy moment. Okay, I'm gonna get a 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:02.800 for this, but it's just her and I in the 1:46:02.920 --> 1:46:09.040 room right now. One, how long have you had that gift? 1:46:09.920 --> 1:46:11.719 Since I was probably twelve or thirteen. 1:46:12.680 --> 1:46:14.519 That's the thing though, when I asked you, like and 1:46:14.600 --> 1:46:17.680 your alone and stuff for you to perfect something like that. 1:46:18.000 --> 1:46:21.360 First of all, it's no, it's in the shower. I'm 1:46:21.400 --> 1:46:24.280 in the shower, like what can I do with it? 1:46:25.120 --> 1:46:26.680 And I'm gonna show it to people. What is this? 1:46:26.800 --> 1:46:28.760 What can I do it? And people are like, well, 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:31.240 I don't know, it's cool, what can you do with it? 1:46:32.040 --> 1:46:34.120 And then I did it on a John p Key 1:46:34.200 --> 1:46:35.720 record and he kept it. 1:46:36.040 --> 1:46:41.439 John p Key of all Things, Yes, quis No, this 1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:44.040 is like ten years ago. Oh okay, okay, he kept it. 1:46:44.240 --> 1:46:45.519 I did it as a joke at the end of 1:46:45.560 --> 1:46:45.920 his record. 1:46:46.040 --> 1:46:58.479 You know crash Cuts got ky Yeah, yeah, be in 1:46:58.760 --> 1:47:03.360 my friend. Yeah wait, I'm putting that out there. If 1:47:03.400 --> 1:47:05.519 anyone knows how we can get the crash cuts, I 1:47:05.720 --> 1:47:06.639 need him on the show. 1:47:07.439 --> 1:47:08.120 A crash Cut. 1:47:09.479 --> 1:47:11.639 It's a spirit. Let it modify in your life. 1:47:12.400 --> 1:47:13.000 He's the truth. 1:47:14.560 --> 1:47:18.559 He's a lie. Focus on Jesus. Jesus. 1:47:21.280 --> 1:47:26.080 Just the fact that I was like, well, I did 1:47:26.120 --> 1:47:28.800 it for him and he kept it. And then people 1:47:28.840 --> 1:47:30.439 said you should do it on records, and I said, well, 1:47:30.479 --> 1:47:32.800 it's not cool on a record because people can think 1:47:32.840 --> 1:47:33.640 you manufactured. 1:47:33.640 --> 1:47:34.240 They can't see it. 1:47:34.479 --> 1:47:36.760 So when I do it live for people, and I 1:47:36.840 --> 1:47:39.880 can do it in key and it's in context, then 1:47:40.080 --> 1:47:42.439 people see it. But if you ever have watched that 1:47:42.600 --> 1:47:47.360 video with Snarky Puppy, I am realizing at that moment, Oh, 1:47:47.479 --> 1:47:50.679 I can do this. The first time is whack. Second 1:47:50.760 --> 1:47:53.200 time I started like, okay, just fucking go for it. 1:47:53.680 --> 1:47:56.840 The third time it was clean, and then they changed keys, 1:47:56.920 --> 1:47:58.880 and then I was able to change with them. I 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:01.800 did not know what Corey is going to play, so 1:48:02.000 --> 1:48:03.200 that what is that called? 1:48:03.280 --> 1:48:03.720 What is that? 1:48:03.800 --> 1:48:06.439 I don't know. It's not called anything. It's funny. People 1:48:06.479 --> 1:48:09.640 on YouTube like that is polytonic. I don't know what. 1:48:10.600 --> 1:48:13.639 I don't know. Anybody else I don't know. I think 1:48:13.680 --> 1:48:15.439 I have, I have not heard it. 1:48:15.960 --> 1:48:18.800 Is it hard to produce on the spot? Like like 1:48:18.920 --> 1:48:20.840 whistling on the mic. 1:48:26.560 --> 1:48:28.639 Sometimes it's a fourth. Sometimes I can get a six, 1:48:28.800 --> 1:48:29.599 like a major sixth. 1:48:30.680 --> 1:48:32.320 Not that I asked you to do it in this spot. 1:48:33.640 --> 1:48:35.240 I had no idea what you'a were talking about until 1:48:35.320 --> 1:48:35.760 at the moment. 1:48:36.680 --> 1:48:37.720 It's feel ugly right now. 1:48:38.120 --> 1:48:40.479 You don't realize that she can harmonize with herself. 1:48:40.880 --> 1:48:42.920 Yes, but I didn't know what specifically when you were like, 1:48:43.080 --> 1:48:45.200 what is that that you and you should patent that. 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:47.680 I did not know what you meant. Now and that's 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:49.400 since twelve you've been able to do that. 1:48:49.640 --> 1:48:52.439 Yeah, in some form, it always just sounded. There are 1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:54.800 some things I'm working on that when I get them, 1:48:54.800 --> 1:48:57.720 they're going to be awesome. Like I'm really working on 1:48:59.080 --> 1:49:01.960 finding the fundament note and then work in the overtone 1:49:02.040 --> 1:49:05.360 over that. It sounds like shit right now, but when 1:49:05.400 --> 1:49:08.160 I can get it, it's going to be killer. I'm 1:49:08.200 --> 1:49:11.120 still working on those chords. They don't always come out 1:49:11.200 --> 1:49:14.320 like I like, and they don't always I'm not in 1:49:14.439 --> 1:49:16.600 control of the color of it, and right now I 1:49:16.640 --> 1:49:18.960 can still only do it or an ooh on awe sound. 1:49:19.520 --> 1:49:21.720 So for me, it's not perfected. It's just something I 1:49:21.800 --> 1:49:24.400 still I just have in my back pocket that nobody 1:49:24.439 --> 1:49:26.760 else can do. It's just way my instrument is set up. 1:49:28.040 --> 1:49:29.120 Way my instrument is set up. 1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:34.840 But that's the thing though, Like you just did that 1:49:35.120 --> 1:49:38.920 so effortlessly. But I know you have to have a 1:49:39.040 --> 1:49:44.680 place of trial and err and experimentation, and where does 1:49:44.720 --> 1:49:45.200 that happen? 1:49:45.760 --> 1:49:49.479 Just right just now, I'm for really you can do 1:49:49.600 --> 1:49:52.200 that thing where you go I can't do it, you 1:49:52.240 --> 1:49:53.000 know what I'm talking about? 1:49:53.040 --> 1:49:53.439 That do it? 1:49:53.960 --> 1:49:58.280 What like when you stub your toe or when you see. 1:49:58.120 --> 1:50:05.559 Something like that? What's that one? 1:50:06.760 --> 1:50:07.000 Do that? 1:50:08.000 --> 1:50:08.200 Like that? 1:50:08.400 --> 1:50:25.320 That's pretty impressive? Impressive? I was being sincere, but I 1:50:25.800 --> 1:50:28.400 came off the opposite. But I think I can't do that, So. 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:30.200 I didn't know I could do it till I just 1:50:30.240 --> 1:50:34.920 tried it. Well, yeah, I'm. 1:50:33.960 --> 1:50:36.439 Trying to learn how to sing overtones right now, right 1:50:36.800 --> 1:50:39.599 but this sounds crazy and everybody can't hear. 1:50:39.560 --> 1:50:43.840 It, so okay, so so mmm. 1:50:50.240 --> 1:50:51.800 Like I can hear it in my head. I know 1:50:51.880 --> 1:50:54.519 you guys can't hear it. I'm only getting a third 1:50:54.560 --> 1:50:57.800 and a fifth, so I'm working on that and one 1:50:57.880 --> 1:51:00.360 day I'm going to do it somewhere and it's going 1:51:00.439 --> 1:51:03.400 to flower into this thing and people will say wow, 1:51:04.080 --> 1:51:05.760 and they will be like, when did you work on it? 1:51:05.800 --> 1:51:16.240 I'll be like, so you are out of this world 1:51:18.520 --> 1:51:21.719 and and again, not in an alien way or whatever, 1:51:27.600 --> 1:51:28.400 simply brilliant. 1:51:29.800 --> 1:51:31.400 Can we can we just say we love each other 1:51:31.520 --> 1:51:34.840 now and we'll just be friends. The last time I 1:51:34.960 --> 1:51:41.720 saw you, you were like, you said, I find a word. 1:51:42.080 --> 1:51:43.920 You said something, and I said, I thought I told 1:51:43.920 --> 1:51:46.120 you that. I said, let's do what? What what did 1:51:46.160 --> 1:51:47.160 we cover? Joelene? 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:49.360 Yeah? 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:52.680 And I said I've been telling you we should do that, 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:55.080 and you said, yeah, but now we're friends, And I 1:51:55.160 --> 1:51:57.240 said I thought we was friends. 1:52:02.320 --> 1:52:08.080 Was yes, Well, one day I'll get over myself and 1:52:08.439 --> 1:52:13.519 and and and be able to be in front of 1:52:13.560 --> 1:52:15.559 your brilliance. Remember that time I came. 1:52:15.520 --> 1:52:18.240 To see you Indiangelo in the studio at that time. 1:52:19.680 --> 1:52:20.559 Doing the Voodoo period. 1:52:21.439 --> 1:52:30.640 This was like six seven years ago. Do y'all were 1:52:30.720 --> 1:52:33.320 working listening to stuff? You don't remember? 1:52:33.439 --> 1:52:36.120 You have to remind me. It's we were in New York. 1:52:36.240 --> 1:52:38.760 I came a boy to hang out ham I do 1:52:38.920 --> 1:52:40.840 with me and my cousin. You guys were working on 1:52:40.960 --> 1:52:43.520 some stuff, listening to some Michael Jackson stuff. 1:52:45.200 --> 1:52:47.840 All right, So obviously they weren't just they weren't working 1:52:47.880 --> 1:52:49.080 on stuff. They were just listening to. 1:52:51.600 --> 1:52:52.080 Just listening to. 1:52:53.600 --> 1:52:55.559 Yes, yes at uh uh. 1:52:56.120 --> 1:53:01.200 S MSR at MSR forty eighth Street or something like that. 1:53:01.840 --> 1:53:04.080 Can I just ask all the question that the music 1:53:04.120 --> 1:53:07.439 fans are thinking right now, like, is there any chance 1:53:07.479 --> 1:53:09.439 in the future, now that we've ironed this ship out, 1:53:09.520 --> 1:53:12.200 that we can get like some roots lailor ship or something. 1:53:12.400 --> 1:53:14.400 Oh my god, I mean, I just I'm sorry, Ma. 1:53:14.479 --> 1:53:15.439 I know you like to put it on the spot, 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:19.680 but I'm like, no, listen, what I want to make 1:53:19.800 --> 1:53:25.439 absolutely positively ten thousand percent clear is that I've always loved. 1:53:25.760 --> 1:53:28.160 Oh yeah, let's get to the work. 1:53:29.920 --> 1:53:32.160 I need you listening, car. 1:53:37.960 --> 1:53:50.639 But seriously, the fans they want, that's what they want, 1:53:51.560 --> 1:53:54.679 especially like as you know right now and the life 1:53:54.720 --> 1:53:57.920 and times, I just feel like there's something there. 1:53:58.080 --> 1:54:00.200 It's so nice to work with a band too. What 1:54:00.360 --> 1:54:02.439 they never happen then you need that. 1:54:02.720 --> 1:54:07.240 Yeah, okay, she has the job. You don't have to. Yeah, 1:54:09.040 --> 1:54:11.960 I'm not bullshitting. Yes, I would love to work with 1:54:12.840 --> 1:54:16.000 Let's do it. There is a radio so that we're 1:54:16.120 --> 1:54:18.600 documenting for the world here, it's like we have, like 1:54:18.960 --> 1:54:23.040 you can a million listeners right now. Yeah, Leila, I 1:54:23.320 --> 1:54:26.920 thank you so much. Thank you. Oh two questions. 1:54:27.040 --> 1:54:28.640 It goes so fast, doesn't it. It goes over. It 1:54:28.680 --> 1:54:29.519 gets over so fast. 1:54:29.560 --> 1:54:32.840 It's not when it's right, when it's done right. So 1:54:32.920 --> 1:54:35.040 I hope this question doesn't anger you because I don't 1:54:35.040 --> 1:54:37.760 know how you feel about this particular record, but your 1:54:37.960 --> 1:54:41.720 very first single. Some people don't like talking about their 1:54:41.800 --> 1:54:45.760 very first records. So Inside the Beat, Oh, I didn't 1:54:45.800 --> 1:54:47.000 know this record existed until. 1:54:48.560 --> 1:54:50.840 So Inside the Beat was a demo that we didn't 1:54:50.840 --> 1:54:52.920 even give that demo to the people to get a deal. 1:54:53.680 --> 1:54:56.760 So whoever boot like that and made it into a single. 1:54:57.200 --> 1:55:00.280 People come to me and say I love you since 1:55:00.360 --> 1:55:03.520 the eighties, and I'm like, well, no, I didn't have 1:55:03.560 --> 1:55:05.040 any records in the eighties, just born. 1:55:05.240 --> 1:55:05.440 Yeah. 1:55:05.560 --> 1:55:08.120 That record came out, and then I did a Japanese 1:55:08.160 --> 1:55:11.120 cigarette commercial where I recorded night and Day Wow, and 1:55:11.240 --> 1:55:14.320 they made it into a record. It's for sale now 1:55:14.400 --> 1:55:17.400 in Japan and it was for a cigarette commercial. 1:55:17.560 --> 1:55:19.680 And when you buy it, that explains the cover. 1:55:20.600 --> 1:55:21.440 It doesn't make any sense. 1:55:21.640 --> 1:55:23.760 It makes absolutely It's like two random white people and 1:55:23.880 --> 1:55:25.080 you know it's a jack. 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:28.120 So it's a dude with a teddy bear and a 1:55:28.200 --> 1:55:30.640 ham at a bar smoking a cigarettes. I don't know 1:55:30.640 --> 1:55:33.480 what it's for, but that record, I'm just scatting at 1:55:33.520 --> 1:55:35.160 the end of it a cappella and they kept it 1:55:35.320 --> 1:55:37.520 for the record. So a lot of things happened in 1:55:37.560 --> 1:55:41.160 the eighties, but that record is so that's a funny 1:55:41.240 --> 1:55:41.680 record to me. 1:55:42.080 --> 1:55:43.880 I have to find that now. Have you ever heard it. 1:55:43.920 --> 1:55:45.400 I've never heard it. I didn't know it existed until 1:55:45.400 --> 1:55:45.840 like a couple of hours. 1:55:45.920 --> 1:55:48.000 Let me just sing you the hook inside the beat? 1:55:50.480 --> 1:55:50.680 Was it. 1:55:55.720 --> 1:55:55.760 That? 1:56:02.040 --> 1:56:06.600 It's a super super disco type you know, occasionally I 1:56:06.720 --> 1:56:09.960 got throw it into a DJ's eighties. It's super eighties. 1:56:10.200 --> 1:56:10.880 Don't judge me. 1:56:10.840 --> 1:56:13.360 When you hear I'm gonna love it probably. And my 1:56:13.440 --> 1:56:16.360 final question, how did you hook up with Martin Ware 1:56:16.520 --> 1:56:19.080 and uh Ian the I can't remember his name? 1:56:19.360 --> 1:56:19.600 People. 1:56:19.720 --> 1:56:20.080 Yeah, for. 1:56:21.640 --> 1:56:25.600 After my first record, I did a lot of records. 1:56:25.880 --> 1:56:28.839 They were one of the groups of folks that approached 1:56:28.920 --> 1:56:31.320 me and said, hey, can you come and be on 1:56:31.400 --> 1:56:35.240 our record? And Billy Preston was there and we record 1:56:35.320 --> 1:56:37.440 that slide tune. I don't even know. I just got 1:56:37.520 --> 1:56:39.760 really lucky based on my first record. People came to 1:56:39.880 --> 1:56:43.240 me that I would not have associated with the type 1:56:43.280 --> 1:56:45.640 of music I was recording, Like Marcus Miller came and 1:56:45.760 --> 1:56:47.520 I started working with him until now. 1:56:47.760 --> 1:56:47.920 You know. 1:56:48.520 --> 1:56:51.960 So, I don't know how I got so lucky. 1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:53.920 I just because I always thought that was kind of 1:56:53.920 --> 1:56:56.240 a strange pairing. I mean, the end result was great, 1:56:56.280 --> 1:56:57.800 but it's not one that I would have. 1:56:58.200 --> 1:56:59.800 I have a record out now with a cat called 1:56:59.800 --> 1:57:04.080 Miss Jukes. You know that record. It's a really interesting record. 1:57:04.120 --> 1:57:05.840 I don't know how this kid knows who I am. 1:57:06.680 --> 1:57:10.480 You know, he's a huge star somewhere else in the world. 1:57:10.720 --> 1:57:12.520 And I made a record with him, and I don't 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:15.320 know how that happens. I have lots of records. People 1:57:15.360 --> 1:57:17.840 say I have all your albums, even the obscure ones, 1:57:17.840 --> 1:57:20.680 and I'm like, no, you don't. There are records that 1:57:20.800 --> 1:57:24.760 I'm on in Japanese that only came out like in Fukuoka. 1:57:25.240 --> 1:57:28.880 Like really, you know? So I just keep getting lucky. 1:57:29.160 --> 1:57:31.200 What's your favorite market to perform? 1:57:32.120 --> 1:57:36.560 I love Atlanta, I love Tokyo. I haven't been a 1:57:36.640 --> 1:57:42.880 whole lot of places. Actually, LA is becoming one of 1:57:42.920 --> 1:57:45.880 my favorite places to play. It was a hard place 1:57:45.960 --> 1:57:47.720 to play in the beginning because people would just come 1:57:47.800 --> 1:57:51.280 sit and look at me, right, you know, But that 1:57:51.400 --> 1:57:53.600 happens everywhere I go. Like there's a certain amount of 1:57:53.640 --> 1:57:55.200 people in the front row that are just kind of 1:57:55.320 --> 1:58:00.640 like in some sort of weird I see your father trance, 1:58:01.440 --> 1:58:02.760 you know, which I recognized. 1:58:02.800 --> 1:58:06.400 Sorry, it's all right. How did the Mary tour end 1:58:06.520 --> 1:58:06.920 up going? 1:58:08.080 --> 1:58:09.600 It was cool, It was a lot of fun. It 1:58:09.720 --> 1:58:11.480 was great to be in front of her audience, even 1:58:11.480 --> 1:58:13.400 though I know that part of that audience is kind 1:58:13.440 --> 1:58:16.400 of my audience as well. Every night, my DJ would say, 1:58:16.440 --> 1:58:18.840 how many of y'all this is your first Layla Hathaway show, 1:58:18.840 --> 1:58:21.240 and a lot of hands went up, and that told me, like, 1:58:21.320 --> 1:58:22.880 I'm in the right place. You know, I'm getting in 1:58:22.880 --> 1:58:23.360 front of folks. 1:58:24.680 --> 1:58:30.640 That's awesome. I'm good. Okay, Well Layla, anyone, anyone? Anyone? 1:58:31.400 --> 1:58:31.680 Thank you? 1:58:35.560 --> 1:58:38.160 What was the song we worked on at Electric Lady? 1:58:38.560 --> 1:58:40.160 First time I met you? It was like a. 1:58:41.640 --> 1:58:42.280 Was it a Mary J. 1:58:42.400 --> 1:58:43.080 Blige record? 1:58:45.160 --> 1:58:45.680 I did do that? 1:58:46.480 --> 1:58:48.160 I was assist which one? 1:58:48.200 --> 1:58:49.360 What was I producing? 1:58:49.440 --> 1:58:49.720 Mary J. 1:58:49.800 --> 1:58:50.720 Blige and Stevie Wonder? 1:58:50.920 --> 1:58:50.960 No? 1:58:51.160 --> 1:58:53.520 No, no, it was Is that a Christmas song? 1:58:53.640 --> 1:58:57.040 Maybe you dropped that though that that happened once? 1:58:57.880 --> 1:59:00.760 Was it might have been a cover of of This 1:59:00.960 --> 1:59:02.920 Christmas for some like. 1:59:03.440 --> 1:59:06.040 I just did. I just did that for Spotify for 1:59:06.120 --> 1:59:08.280 the first time. Wait, what year was it you remember? 1:59:08.760 --> 1:59:13.840 It would be the late nineties something like that or 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:14.839 early two thousands. 1:59:15.280 --> 1:59:16.600 You remember who the session was with? 1:59:17.280 --> 1:59:18.720 No, I don't remember much of anything. 1:59:18.760 --> 1:59:23.440 I hear you, man, I don't know. I feel like 1:59:23.480 --> 1:59:24.920 I've always known you. I don't know if I ever 1:59:25.040 --> 1:59:27.360 tell you that. There's something about you that I feel 1:59:27.400 --> 1:59:29.240 like I have always known, and I don't. 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:29.640 Know what that is. 1:59:30.080 --> 1:59:32.720 Every engineer you've ever met, No, but you. 1:59:33.120 --> 1:59:34.920 Remind me of this kid I went to high school 1:59:34.960 --> 1:59:37.720 with named Todd Heckman, who gave me a lot of records. 1:59:37.800 --> 1:59:40.320 There's something about you I connect with, not I don't 1:59:40.400 --> 1:59:41.280 know what that is. 1:59:41.840 --> 1:59:43.920 All right, Maybe it's the records. 1:59:44.000 --> 1:59:45.440 Maybe I'm going over to house and. 1:59:53.840 --> 1:59:59.320 So have you? Have you? Have you fulfilled your bucket 1:59:59.360 --> 2:00:01.520 list as far as the people that you've wanted. 2:00:01.280 --> 2:00:06.440 To almost work with almost, I mean, ship, Well, there's 2:00:06.480 --> 2:00:09.560 a lot left. I mean, but if I got hit 2:00:09.600 --> 2:00:11.240 by a bus today, I have to say, well. 2:00:13.200 --> 2:00:13.440 We did. 2:00:13.520 --> 2:00:22.040 Prince did, Billy Preston, Anita Shaka, Vince Mendoza, Herbie Wayne, 2:00:23.520 --> 2:00:24.800 Dizzy Little. 2:00:30.400 --> 2:00:30.640 Wow. 2:00:30.960 --> 2:00:37.160 I don't know, I really there's a lot of people left, and. 2:00:37.400 --> 2:00:39.160 Now we got to work together because I don't want 2:00:39.200 --> 2:00:43.120 to be on the I don't. I don't want to. 2:00:43.640 --> 2:00:47.240 I want to be I already already know. There's there's 2:00:47.280 --> 2:00:48.720 a few people I really want to work with that 2:00:48.800 --> 2:00:50.960 I talk to every time I see them about working 2:00:50.960 --> 2:00:52.840 and I know it's not going to happen to go around. 2:00:53.040 --> 2:00:58.080 Who Stevie? You haven't worked with him yet, not officially. 2:00:58.160 --> 2:00:59.440 Man, I would have thought he would have been the 2:00:59.520 --> 2:01:00.600 first one. He can't. 2:01:00.720 --> 2:01:05.880 He's he's he's you know, yeah, we we always talk 2:01:05.920 --> 2:01:07.560 about it. He's got a song for me. I need 2:01:07.640 --> 2:01:09.920 to go. I need to call him. I'm gonna call Aisha. 2:01:10.040 --> 2:01:12.360 I'm gonna keep calling. I'm gonna keep trying to do 2:01:12.440 --> 2:01:14.760 it every time, but I don't know that it's gonna happen. 2:01:14.800 --> 2:01:17.720 Wait a minute, and it's okay, no, wait wait now 2:01:17.760 --> 2:01:24.600 I'm thinking that's the thing. Yeah, now I'm thinking what 2:01:25.000 --> 2:01:30.480 song would she be good for? No, because one time 2:01:31.160 --> 2:01:34.480 I heard him trying to give Knocking on your Door 2:01:34.520 --> 2:01:37.840 to Jennifer Hudson really and I was like, no, I 2:01:37.960 --> 2:01:43.680 was Jennifer husband. But it's just that song, right, Yeah, 2:01:43.840 --> 2:01:47.560 I'm jealously you know what, I think I might know one. 2:01:49.480 --> 2:01:52.320 We have to we have to can't play it on there, damn. Okay, 2:01:52.480 --> 2:01:58.200 y'all saying y'alluys really Stevie stuff going on? We would 2:01:58.360 --> 2:02:01.200 never say that, and thank you. Never know that public 2:02:01.320 --> 2:02:06.680 throwing us under the bus on your own radio shown. Yes, 2:02:06.840 --> 2:02:09.640 even the Pandora people are looking at you. You say, 2:02:09.680 --> 2:02:15.720 woman's wrong drinking. Yeah, I got some underleased from literally 2:02:15.800 --> 2:02:18.120 Stevie J, some underly Steve J track that he did 2:02:18.160 --> 2:02:19.080 for the mister Dalvin record. 2:02:19.120 --> 2:02:24.040 Yeah, yeah, it came out on Everick it came out, 2:02:24.120 --> 2:02:27.879 it did, mister Yeah, wait, mister. 2:02:28.200 --> 2:02:32.000 Had a album met a morph Morphic single was called 2:02:33.440 --> 2:02:36.839 and actually that's why he did those DJ Blad interviews 2:02:36.880 --> 2:02:40.640 by himself. I was wondering why, like he was getting 2:02:40.640 --> 2:02:42.520 the star treatment, like he had a project out, but 2:02:43.040 --> 2:02:46.760 well this was like ninety yeah, it was came it 2:02:46.840 --> 2:02:50.360 was back in the day. No, no, that horrible. 2:02:50.640 --> 2:02:55.200 It was not heard him saying the joint. 2:02:55.080 --> 2:02:58.440 His mister Davin jams was always the soundtrack jams. Like 2:02:58.560 --> 2:02:59.560 his soundtrack jams. 2:02:59.680 --> 2:03:02.560 He has one true o G that was on Dangerous Mind. 2:03:02.640 --> 2:03:07.880 There was there was another one that was you know what, 2:03:08.120 --> 2:03:11.240 I want an episode where you two just Cisco and 2:03:11.400 --> 2:03:16.720 Ebert whoever that is, whoever that is Wells and Ebert, 2:03:16.960 --> 2:03:22.120 every R and B record. No, I'm down for that. 2:03:22.360 --> 2:03:26.120 It's an art watching these two like go Got Got 2:03:26.240 --> 2:03:31.760 Over I never heard of before, obscure B sides and soundtrack. 2:03:31.400 --> 2:03:38.560 Songs you never heard of, mister Belvedere. All right, so yeah, 2:03:38.760 --> 2:03:41.920 so Stevie, yeah, Stete, all right. 2:03:42.080 --> 2:03:44.160 There's a lot of people though, you know, because when 2:03:44.160 --> 2:03:45.520 I mean people, they say I want to make a 2:03:45.560 --> 2:03:48.040 whole record with you. They don't say we want to 2:03:48.080 --> 2:03:50.280 make a song like That's why I came to see 2:03:50.320 --> 2:03:53.320 D'Angelo that night. He's another one. I keep telling him 2:03:53.400 --> 2:03:55.720 we should make the Blackish record. Ever, we should do 2:03:55.800 --> 2:03:58.800 it now, while we're both living. We should both we 2:03:58.840 --> 2:03:59.560 should do it now. 2:04:00.000 --> 2:04:01.360 Give her our chances of mere what you think? 2:04:01.440 --> 2:04:04.080 Every time he says it, he says, you know, I 2:04:04.200 --> 2:04:06.200 love you. I want to do it. Let's do it. 2:04:09.080 --> 2:04:15.920 It's more on b it's more. I wish d Angela 2:04:16.000 --> 2:04:19.280 was on the show for three words were words. We 2:04:19.640 --> 2:04:22.240 had a wager. What was the wager everybody was going 2:04:22.320 --> 2:04:24.200 to get? It was one hundred one thousand, one thousand 2:04:24.280 --> 2:04:27.280 dollars Christmas bonus. They said that I could never get 2:04:27.360 --> 2:04:29.920 d angel on the show. And it just so happens 2:04:30.000 --> 2:04:32.200 that Dangela had to stop by the studio to pick 2:04:32.280 --> 2:04:36.960 something up nice and I love it. And then he 2:04:37.000 --> 2:04:38.680 went out for a pack of cigarettes and never came back. 2:04:39.280 --> 2:04:44.440 Right pulled the black Daddy on us. Black dad anyway. 2:04:44.760 --> 2:04:46.920 H yeah, I thank you for coming on the show. 2:04:47.040 --> 2:04:47.960 Thank you, thank you. 2:04:48.360 --> 2:04:50.920 I had so much fun with you, man, thank you, 2:04:52.280 --> 2:04:54.240 thank you. We want to do this for a long time. 2:04:54.280 --> 2:04:55.840 We've been trying to we're trying to catch this other 2:04:56.320 --> 2:04:56.640 and stuff. 2:04:57.080 --> 2:04:59.880 Thank you so much for doing this, making it happen. 2:05:00.040 --> 2:05:01.120 How long you're gonna be here. 2:05:02.680 --> 2:05:07.240 Forever? We're shooting forever. He'll be here forever, well, not forever. 2:05:07.400 --> 2:05:09.760 I mean, we're going to do a couple more episodes 2:05:10.080 --> 2:05:14.880 and then you know, I'm in town to like Tuesday Wednesday, you. 2:05:14.920 --> 2:05:15.840 Want to go bowling or something? 2:05:15.960 --> 2:05:16.840 Yeah, I live here, let's go. 2:05:17.360 --> 2:05:17.840 Where do you live? 2:05:18.200 --> 2:05:18.680 Hollywood? 2:05:19.600 --> 2:05:21.920 So yeah, I thank you for coming on the show. Leila, 2:05:22.040 --> 2:05:23.880 appreciate it. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, 2:05:23.960 --> 2:05:27.320 thank you, thank you. Appreciated and we will we will 2:05:27.320 --> 2:05:31.040 work in the future. So on behalf of the team, 2:05:31.120 --> 2:05:34.000 Supreme Crew on, behalf of the teams. 2:05:34.480 --> 2:05:36.960 You're not part of the team, so you ain't gonna 2:05:36.960 --> 2:05:39.600 say our names. It's not usually like Bill, you know. 2:05:39.720 --> 2:05:44.640 Yeah, we want some individual credit, all right, Sugar Steve 2:05:44.760 --> 2:05:49.040 and in Boston, Bill and font Tikeolo and sweet Feet. 2:05:54.320 --> 2:06:01.760 It's like, is sweet feet all right? It's might be 2:06:03.320 --> 2:06:06.880 so yeah, Actually, Lela, we we sort of did work together. 2:06:06.960 --> 2:06:10.240 Now that I think of it, it does not count. Well, 2:06:10.480 --> 2:06:12.880 then then you and Nancy Wilson didn't count, then. 2:06:12.880 --> 2:06:13.440 It does count. 2:06:13.480 --> 2:06:18.920 That does count record Technically we work together because of 2:06:19.080 --> 2:06:23.240 the Hidden Figure soundtrack that the Roots just totally remade. 2:06:23.480 --> 2:06:25.200 Uhn' wait to hear the whole thing. 2:06:25.360 --> 2:06:28.680 Yes, it's it's freaking awesome and we're gonna release it 2:06:28.720 --> 2:06:32.600 for a record store day. Yeah. And this is your 2:06:33.160 --> 2:06:37.000 contribution called Surrender and my favorite joint on the record. Yeah, 2:06:38.280 --> 2:06:49.680 thank you. West Love Supreme is a production iHeartRadio. This 2:06:49.840 --> 2:06:55.840 classic episode was produced by the team at Endora. For 2:06:56.000 --> 2:06:59.040 more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 2:06:59.280 --> 2:07:02.320 Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.