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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, do you consider them Chicago?

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Speaker 2: Got us beat? Definitely man like Chicago. We really like

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Speaker 2: See, they be trying to like take my words and

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Speaker 3: All of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now I'm just asking because that's a conversation I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah like that. My kids gonna be there, My kids

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Speaker 1: You know, you have some of the funniest moments on

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Speaker 1: It's so weird that, but it went viral because it's like, yo,

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Speaker 2: He was recording. And then I said, so when I

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Speaker 2: for sure, Like what that was probably like a week ago.

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Speaker 3: I saw that that somebody felm that.

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Speaker 2: They thought I was arguing with Tana. But I wasn't

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Speaker 3: How New York looking all around.

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Speaker 2: She paying attention like she like, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Bs, yeah, she do not play either. You're not doing interviews. Come,

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Speaker 1: She's like nope, I'm good over here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now she don't. She don't try to go viral

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Speaker 3: And then the other thing that always comes up is

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Speaker 2: That was his fault. That was it. That was his fault. Man.

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Speaker 2: When I went in and did that, I don't even

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Speaker 2: I was still drunk from the night before leaving the club.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we go talk to the minister man at ain

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Speaker 2: in the morning, Man, nine, am I guarantee you I

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Speaker 2: they must have hit because he'd be up early. They

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Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, what you mean, Like I gotta go.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how my arm did that, Like, I

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Speaker 1: Every now and then that picture just pop up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. And I really honestly don't know

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Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about this song. Went legit, Yeah, banger,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, you know, for you to and you really

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Speaker 1: But we got to ask you, like the deeper questions

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Speaker 2: I feel like, man, like my music has always been

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Speaker 2: but like I really felt like I was fresh off

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Speaker 3: Have said, that's why you started the song like that.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly why I started it like that, Like I

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Speaker 3: I can bet that too, because the song like go.

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Speaker 2: And say that for real, and I was I didn't

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Speaker 2: was just like I didn't. I wasn't trying to create

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Speaker 2: Like we were just in the studio and they told

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Speaker 3: My bitch right now, Bro, I'm not even trying.

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Speaker 2: To I ain't even trying to rap for real, but alright, cool,

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Speaker 2: and it just turned out like it turned out like literally,

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Speaker 2: It was probably like thirty forty people in there, everybody chilling,

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Speaker 2: drinking stuff like that, just having a good time. They

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Speaker 2: I told them, like, man, go rap on.

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Speaker 3: This and you Southside boy, what a combination.

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Speaker 2: That's my brother man. Yeah we know, I'm like yin't

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Speaker 2: and yang man. For sure, it's my real twin. And

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Speaker 2: yeah that's my brother too for sure, Like that's definitely.

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Speaker 3: My brother's coming on with those projects.

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Speaker 2: Me and Rob, we like the thing is, I feel

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Speaker 2: like it's just be our schedules, like we be all

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Speaker 2: But we don't even want to like cheat our fans

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Speaker 2: like that, you know what I'm saying, Like we really

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Speaker 2: shoot the videos, do everything the correct way for real.

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Speaker 2: But it's definitely still like coming for sure.

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Speaker 3: No, y'all make a great team together now.

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Speaker 2: For sure. Me and Rob got great chemistry when it

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Speaker 3: That's good to be in this business and have friends

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, for sure, it's my dog brother. I talk

435
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,040
Speaker 2: to him every.

436
00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,919
Speaker 1: Day because think about it, you were so young when

437
00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,199
Speaker 1: you started really making money, and you talk about that

438
00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,159
Speaker 1: on the song too, just being young and listen, holding

439
00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:54,040
Speaker 1: the whole family down.

440
00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,520
Speaker 3: It's kind of like not happening.

441
00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,760
Speaker 2: Up for sure. For sure, Yeah, I messed up.

442
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,760
Speaker 3: And not even how in a real childhood throwing away.

443
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,480
Speaker 2: I say that, people don't be believing me, like I

444
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,200
Speaker 2: really didn't get to have a real childhood for real,

445
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,439
Speaker 2: like I was young. You gotta think about it, like

446
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,719
Speaker 2: I started like experiencing like death and stuff like that

447
00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,919
Speaker 2: when I was like seventh grade, when my homie started

448
00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,480
Speaker 2: to like get killed and stuff like that, so we

449
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,320
Speaker 2: already got like a chip on our shoulder. I never

450
00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,160
Speaker 2: went on dates because by the time I'm fourteen fifteen,

451
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 2: I'm in high school, I'm rapping. People know who I am.

452
00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,320
Speaker 2: By the time I'm sophomore in high school, I got

453
00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,399
Speaker 2: like a real name for myself famous. I had a

454
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 2: song with Nicki Minaj. I was a sophomore high school,

455
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 2: a junior or something like that, so I had to

456
00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,040
Speaker 2: drop out. I couldn't go on dates. I want on

457
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,000
Speaker 2: my first date when I was like twenty twenty one

458
00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,680
Speaker 2: years old. I used to be scared to go places

459
00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,719
Speaker 2: because I felt like somebody gonna say I'm right here

460
00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:48,840
Speaker 2: and come try to kill me.

461
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,480
Speaker 3: Like right, No, that's the real thing.

462
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,520
Speaker 2: I didn't really get to have a childhood. I didn't

463
00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 2: really get to do.

464
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,399
Speaker 3: Too much, like for real, real you didn't go to

465
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:55,919
Speaker 3: no prom.

466
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,480
Speaker 2: I didn't. I want no problem when I was in

467
00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,800
Speaker 2: eighth grade. I want to sing in eighth grade.

468
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,000
Speaker 3: What it took a little eighth grade? It's a prime.

469
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,680
Speaker 2: I went on saying prime in eighth grade. But I

470
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 2: didn't get to go on my prom though, like and

471
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 2: I felt like I kind of had like fomo for real,

472
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:14,280
Speaker 2: Like I was in LA recording music when like my

473
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 2: class graduated, and I felt like even though I had

474
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 2: done so much and I was successful, I felt like

475
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 2: I failed in a way because I didn't even get

476
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,720
Speaker 2: that chance to graduate high school at the time, you know,

477
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 2: like I had. I went back and actually got my

478
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 2: diploma though, like I don't got no GD. I got

479
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,480
Speaker 2: my actual high school diploma from my school, like just

480
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,919
Speaker 2: to have it, you know what I'm saying. But like

481
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 2: I didn't like growing up. It was fast for me.

482
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 2: By the time I started making money. I had to

483
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,440
Speaker 2: take care of my mama. My mama caught her job

484
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 2: when I was sixteen years old. I had to take

485
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,119
Speaker 2: care of her from that point out, take care of

486
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,479
Speaker 2: my aunties and you know, like just being an artist

487
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 2: and you know, you think the street code, we got

488
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 2: to take care of a hundred niggas. You know what

489
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying, You got to take care of by from

490
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 2: your neighborhood, take you care of their family until you

491
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 2: learn that you don't. Like I thought I was doing

492
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 2: the right thing for real, and I still like, I

493
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 2: don't regret anything, but like I gave a lot of

494
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 2: myself to people, and I feel like I should have

495
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: dedicated at that time to really connecting and being with

496
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 2: my family, Like even at thirty, I'm just now starting

497
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 2: to do that. You know what, I think. Losing my

498
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 2: father last year is really what kind of like super

499
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,640
Speaker 2: woke me up was, Like I thought I had time

500
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 2: and time it's not promised. Like the stuff that I

501
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna be able to do with my

502
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 2: dad and for my dad, I didn't really get a

503
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 2: chance to do, you know what I'm saying, because I

504
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 2: was doing so much early on and just taking care

505
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 2: of people who really not even in my family or

506
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 2: who I thought was family that you know what, I'm

507
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 2: so or I consider family because it never.

508
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 3: Starts real, Yeah, it never starts, It never stops.

509
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 2: You gotta really just cut it off, like you gotta

510
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,479
Speaker 2: go cold turkey.

511
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,719
Speaker 1: And the people that's still cool with you is the

512
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: ones that matter, and the people that's not cool after

513
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: you have to be like we I just can't.

514
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 2: Nah for sure, Like make it tell you. When I

515
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 2: first started going on the road and doing shows, I

516
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 2: used to have twenty thirty people with me, Like my

517
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: first time is going out of town, I'm having thirty

518
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 2: people with me. Now when I go out of town people,

519
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: I guess I.

520
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 3: Would love for make you to talk about this.

521
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: I want to hear some of these stories that maybe

522
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: can we turn his mic on?

523
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 3: Please come on, man, listen, you know me.

524
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: Because you've been you've honestly been doing this for how

525
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: long now? Like, oh, man into the mic, let's move

526
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: his mic over it. Look, okay, there we go.

527
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 4: Well, man, when I got with her, when herd before

528
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 4: he dropped his first tape, so when he was sixteen

529
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 4: years old.

530
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 2: So we've been doing this for thirteen.

531
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: That's not you know, that does not happen.

532
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah too often where somebody's with you from the beginning.

533
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah like that and now little Herb is back.

534
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, full circle moment. It is fuck yeah, that's I mean,

535
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 2: that's your son, god Dad. So it's like it's more

536
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 2: than just like this is my real family for real.

537
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: So it's like he didn't sing he know me more

538
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 2: than I know myself for real, because to be completely honest,

539
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: like it was a blur for me early on, I

540
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: ain't gonna lie like I was. I was wild, like

541
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: I get high. I used to be all sayings and perks,

542
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: and I like, I don't even remember a lot of stuff,

543
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: like I used to be in rooms or I wasn't

544
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: even really in a room because mentally I'm somewhere else,

545
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. He always been sober, you know,

546
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: so he's like he.

547
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: Had to be somebody got it.

548
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I want to ask Mickey because that's

549
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: people always be like, oh the people around you, because

550
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, I hear that a lot, right, They'll be like, well,

551
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: like I hear that when people talk about Kanye, they'll

552
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 1: be like, oh, the people around him is letting him

553
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: do this. Oh, the people around him are enabling him.

554
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: But as somebody who was the people around you know

555
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: her when he was young, what would you say when

556
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: people say, well, why didn't you do something?

557
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 3: You were the people around him. That's that's the problem.

558
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: The reason.

559
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 4: The thing that I would say is I was never

560
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 4: an enabler. I was always a positive voice right to

561
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 4: get him to do what he needed to do. Get

562
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 4: out the streets. Take this music one hundred percent serious.

563
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 4: All of his success came in the beginning. He was

564
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: still in the streets. I was having to figure out

565
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 4: ways to get him to the studio to take this

566
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 4: stuff serious. Like, and I believed in him so much

567
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: that I stuck it out and stuck with him. And

568
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: you got to allow people to grow and be themselves.

569
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 4: It's like, as much as much as I'm a big

570
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 4: brother father figure to him, I don't ever try to

571
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: control him. You have to let an artist and a

572
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 4: man before anything, be himself and learned. You can always

573
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 4: offer advice. He'll tell you. I will say, hey, don't

574
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 4: do this, don't do that. I advise you against this,

575
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 4: don't do this. This is the pros and cons. This

576
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 4: is how that's gonna play out, but he makes his

577
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 4: own decision.

578
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 2: You know how I still touch them?

579
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 4: Well, he touch it, he gonna touch touch it.

580
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: Did you ever want to give up and be like

581
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: this is just too much? He is a knucklehead, like

582
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: I can I got.

583
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 4: I've been frustrated, and but I love him like my son.

584
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: To get what I'm saying. I've been. I've been frustrated,

585
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 2: you know, because I know I just I feel like you,

586
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 2: it's impossible for him to say no to that. Man,

587
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: I know for sure. It's like I done did so

588
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: much shit. Ain't no way that you don't want to

589
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 2: give up on me. My mama want to give up

590
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: on me. But I never wanted to give up on them.

591
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: I've been frustrated, don't get me wrong, and have to

592
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 4: allow him in the room to go do you and

593
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: learn and bump your head. And I'm learning that with

594
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 4: my own kids right now. It's like I can't It's

595
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 4: not a video game. I can't control every step, every move.

596
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: I gotta teach them poem, show them I have real

597
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: love for him, and then let them go and know

598
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 4: that they're gonna always come back home and let them

599
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: know they have a space to come back home and

600
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 4: he knows that with me, you know, all they gotta

601
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 4: do is call me and say, hey, nick man, I mean,

602
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: let's get this shit back on the road. All right,

603
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: all right, what I'm gonna say, that's your sign?

604
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: Do you feel like sometimes people that grew up listening

605
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: to you want.

606
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: You to be back like how you were.

607
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: Definitely, And so that's a problem too, because sometimes people

608
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: don't want you to really like be positive, grow picture

609
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: your mental health, swear through the stress. They want you

610
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: to be like back outside. They're like, that's to her

611
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: we know, Yeah, definitely.

612
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: I think That's kind of one of the reasons why

613
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: I'm naming my project Little Herb though, you know, like

614
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: because for years and years I used to like hear that,

615
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: like people telling me, like you need to rap like this,

616
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 2: you need to do this, and it was hard for

617
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: me to like, excuse me, it was hard for me

618
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 2: to like find that version of that hunger because, yeah,

619
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 2: I think about I've been living in LA for seven years,

620
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: Like I've been done so much. I took care of

621
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: my mom, moved my mom out the hood. Like the

622
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 2: whole objective of this and where I come from, Like

623
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: I really had to beat death in jail. So it

624
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: gets to a point where you really like change your

625
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: circumstances and change your life where you're like, you gotta

626
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: find a reason to want to do it. The whole

627
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: objective is to make money and get out the streets

628
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: and change your family lives. Like, don't get me wrong,

629
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: I'm passionate about rap. Excuse I'm passionate about rap. I'm

630
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: passionate about like music. I love it. But like I

631
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: kind of did lose the hunger for a second, Like

632
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 2: you know, I had to find it, Like I had

633
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: to dig back into it and just realize where I

634
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: come from and everything that I had to do and

635
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: all the adversities that I had to overcome to get

636
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: where I am today and look back at it, and

637
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm hungry now because I want more.

638
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: So what got to a point where it is like

639
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: I felt like I had everything that I needed or

640
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: everything that I could have asked for. I got a

641
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: beautiful family, I got my mom out the hood. I

642
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: don't got to look over my shoulder no more unless

643
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: I go back, Like I have to go put myself

644
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: back in that environment to feel unsafe, Like I go

645
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: in La. I walk around. I could be by myself,

646
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: no security, do the stuff that I do, you know

647
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because I'm in a whole area where

648
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: it's like nothing could really happen to me. For really,

649
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to be naive to the fact because

650
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: of course something can happen to you anywhere, like me

651
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: being who I am. Nobody is in La these soccer

652
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: moms and he's old women not trying to do nothing

653
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: to me for really, you know what I'm saying. So

654
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: it's like I had to find that hunger in myself

655
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: again to like, you know, be able to rap hound

656
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: rapping and making the music that I'm making. And you know,

657
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: I'm grateful, thank God that I did find it. But

658
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: it was kind of tough for real, Like I ain't

659
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: really rap about nothing but cars and jury and the

660
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: stuff that I was experienced because I rapped about my life,

661
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like it was raw because

662
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: that was my life. Every day I woke up and

663
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: I went outside. I was up against death in jail

664
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: every day every day, every day, you feel what I'm saying.

665
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: So that's what it was, just like a reflection.

666
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 3: Of my music Mondy.

667
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: When was this period of time that you felt like

668
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: you kind of lost it and lost the hunger?

669
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: Mm probably like from twenty nineteen to twenty three, like

670
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: for real, for real, but I just stayed consistent with

671
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: dropping music and doing it. But mentally I wasn't like

672
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: in a headspace where I felt like confident, felt like

673
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: I was the hardest, Like you know what I'm saying.

674
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: I always knew I was talented, that I couldn't make

675
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: good music, But right now, me speaking on as Mike today,

676
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: like I feel like I'm one of the best rappers

677
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: like in my generation or one of the best rappers

678
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: period right now, Like you can put me up against

679
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: anybody and i'ma feel confident and feel like I could

680
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: stand total told with any artists or any MC. I

681
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: didn't feel like that four years ago, you know what

682
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

683
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: But that was your own reasons why it was me. Yeah,

684
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: it was you doing that for sure. Yeah, you know

685
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: you beat like a lot of the odds too, just

686
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: in so many different situations, definitely, you know. Just I

687
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: know you said you went to rehab twice, and that's

688
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: and they do say people when they go to rehab,

689
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: they normally don't kick a habit the first time they go.

690
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: It does require and some people also go to rehab

691
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: and don't want anyone to know about that.

692
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: But that's something you open about it.

693
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I spoke about it for really and I feel

694
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: like it was it was good for me. I really

695
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: I did good the first time I went to rehabit though,

696
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: Like I think I went in two thousand and seventeen

697
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: or something like that or twenty eighteen, and I was

698
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: cleaned for like a year, and then I lost my

699
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: best friend. He got killed, and I relapsed, right, And

700
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: that's what, like, you know, made me relapse, cause I

701
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: only want to get emotionally talking about it, but like

702
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: I just felt like, you know, I experienced so much death,

703
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, like I've been losing frands since

704
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: I was in middle school. And I was at a

705
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: point in my life where I felt successful. I had

706
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: just had my first kid, I was on tour, like

707
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, I had moved out of Chicago. That was

708
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: when I first like really moved out of Chicago. And

709
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: I felt like, man, I don't even gott to be

710
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: in this no more. I gotta look over my shoulder.

711
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't got to carry a gun, and I was.

712
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: I felt like I was just getting to the point

713
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: where I could make money and pull my people closest

714
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: to me out of that. And I lost one of

715
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: my best friends who I felt like was going to

716
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: be a part of that. Well not it felt like,

717
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: I know was going to be a part of that

718
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: journey and be with me, like I wanted. That was

719
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: one of the main people I wanted to save his life,

720
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I wanted to get

721
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: him out of Chicago, get him to LA with me,

722
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: and show him this lifestyle because when I like what

723
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: I was probably let me see twenty eighteen, when I

724
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: was twenty three years old. I first started doing music

725
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: when I was like sixteen fifteen, going on the road

726
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: doing shows seventeen eighteen nineteen. He never would come with me,

727
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: like he always wanted to be in the hood, right,

728
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: like he was one of the people like you know,

729
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: when I started like doing shows and getting famous, like

730
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: everybody want to come, Like when you got a show,

731
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: I want to come. I want to come. People I

732
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: don't even want to come want to come, like and

733
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: I used to have to beg him to come and

734
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: he had never come, you feel what I'm saying. So

735
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: it's like I got to a point where now I

736
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: got some real money, I'm in LA, Like I'm thinking,

737
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: I'm finna get a crib and my homiees just gonna

738
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: all come to LA with me, you know, And then

739
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: he got killed. It just made me real, real depressing,

740
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: and I just like I feel like I couldn't even

741
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: be there for my son at the time, you know,

742
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: Like and I just started back like getting high, and

743
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: then I had to go back to rehab after.

744
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: That, and that was like the survivor's remorse that you've Yeah.

745
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, like definitely like losing him, losing my

746
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: homie Cap who passed away actually before him, then my

747
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: little brother passed away in twenty twenty one. It was

748
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: just like a lot on me for real.

749
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: That's a lot, yeah, for anybody to have to deal with.

750
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: And then I know, I'm also when the sound you

751
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of touched a little bit, I think on on

752
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: went legit, the case that you had recently that you

753
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: managed to come through, Yeah, yeah, and you know that

754
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: has to also feel a little like I hate to

755
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: say it like this, but like embarrassing at the time

756
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: that it's in the news, it's the headlines, and people

757
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: are making up like their own story.

758
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: It was real embarrassing for me to be honest, like

759
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: people just making up stories of what they think was

760
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: going on or you know what I'm saying, and people

761
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: like it was what really frustrated me for real, Like

762
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: I ain't I was surprised that all the people that

763
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: wanted me to go to jail.

764
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: People think everything is so funny, like it's.

765
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: They wanted me to go to jail. It was crazy

766
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: to me, like crazy people like I post something in

767
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: the college, but like, ain't you in jail? Was she

768
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: supposed to be in jail? When he going to jail?

769
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: With this? Like it was insane to me, Like I

770
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: never seen like so many people like felt I feel

771
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: like they hated like it was. It was definitely embarrassing

772
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: going through that kind of situation and just seeing like

773
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: people who I felt like I ain't even gonna say.

774
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 2: I felt like because you know, like I ain't naive.

775
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: I know the internet really don't love you, like they're

776
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: not really with you for real, Like you know what

777
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying, they love you today, hate you tomorrow. But

778
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: just like I've never been the type to like pray

779
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: on nobody downfall.

780
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: Right, keeple online, enjoy like those types of headlines to

781
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: because that's a big story, Nicky, where were you and

782
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: all this, like.

783
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: Right in the midst of it at every court date

784
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 4: and just giving them support and man, praying that, yeah,

785
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: praying that he got his freedom, and hating the fact

786
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: that it's hard to explain yourself to millions of people

787
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: right case that you really can't talk about and it's

788
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: just it was it was frustrating for all of us

789
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: that loved him because it was a reality that he

790
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 4: might have to actually go to jail, and that's something

791
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 4: that you know, I'm your son's godfather, right, So at

792
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 4: the end of the day, it was like, man, I'm

793
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 4: thinking about that and the kids and everything that has

794
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: to do with him, and how we're gonna set this

795
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: thing up if the worst scenario happens. And we prayed

796
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 4: and God delivered.

797
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that was a blessing because I know you've

798
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: probably been thinking, I don't know what's about to happen.

799
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was definitely I ain't gonna lie. I was

800
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: definitely nervous for real to the last second, think about it,

801
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: like I didn't been through so much and overcame so

802
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: much and like be at that point of my life

803
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: in my career where it's like you're finna go to jail.

804
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: I made all the success and not being able, Like

805
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: I've never been the type to like explain myself for

806
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: going the Internet and go respond back to comments or

807
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: the negative feed, you know what I'm saying, Like that's

808
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: never been my thing. But like I it was just

809
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: crazy to me. I was aways so shocked by the

810
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: people who really, like, I've been making money so I

811
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: was sixteen years old, like I really like I was

812
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: then there a millionaire eighteen nineteen years old. What the

813
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: fuck reason do I have to go do wife fruy right?

814
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: Like that don't even make sense to me, Like what

815
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: the fuck am I doing with some wife fry? Like

816
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: I bought my mama manche when I was nineteen years old.

817
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: I've been making money that long, like for real, for real,

818
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: I ain't you know, Like I was real deal innocent,

819
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: Like I didn't have nothing to do with that shit

820
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: for real, you know what I'm saying. So it's like

821
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: that was the thing, and I didn't I didn't care

822
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: to go explain it. I damn that couldn't explain it

823
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: because I was in the middle of the case. You

824
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: feel me. And then it's like it's tough to really

825
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: stand like you know, stand on tin and just be

826
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: like all right, whatever come with this shit is cool,

827
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: Like just go go lay down and go to jail

828
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: for some shit that you had nothing to do it,

829
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Like that's a different like if I committed the crime,

830
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: it's different. Right of going to jail for something you

831
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: didn't do. That's a different type of like just having

832
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: discipline as a man, Like I'm just gonna go sit

833
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: down and make sure everything good, my affair is good

834
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: in order for you know, me to be able to

835
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: take care of my family, because I can't really like

836
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: downgrade my lifestyle. I gotta still be able to provide

837
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: for my family and my kids no matter what.

838
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: Right and not to really know what was gonna be

839
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: the decision until the actual courtinate at the end, when

840
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 4: the judge came back from deliberating and talking to him,

841
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: like at that point, like we in the courtroom, heads down, praying,

842
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: and we didn't.

843
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: Know when I walked in that courtroom, I ain't know

844
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: if I was gonna walk out of her.

845
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: She had no guarantees that he wasn't gonna have to

846
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 4: go to the back right then.

847
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, little Herb is gonna be So the album did

848
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: get pushed.

849
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: Back, right, Yeah, I pushed the album back up.

850
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: Why did you push it back?

851
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: Really? Because like h and I'm gonna be completely honest

852
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: for real, for real. It had a lot to do

853
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: with just like and the finishing touches. I was, I'm

854
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: so like hands on, and I feel like there's gonna

855
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: be such a special project. I didn't want to leave

856
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: nothing else, Like, just got to make sure all the

857
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: clearances together, Like, I didn't want to swap no songs

858
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: or anything. You feel what I'm saying, Like because the

859
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: original day, Yeah, the original day was supposed to been

860
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: October three, right before my birthday. So I pushed it

861
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: back to like me and late October, just like two

862
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: weeks for real, right, just finish. I didn't want to

863
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: Like I got a hundred songs, don't get me wrong,

864
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: Like I could.

865
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 3: Have made it last couple of mites could have been albums.

866
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: I mean it could have, but I just I was

867
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: trying to, like really to be honest with you, I

868
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: was just trying to get back in my groove for real, okay,

869
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: just with music, like have fun and try to put

870
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: music out and just try to see, like you know what,

871
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: connect with the streets for real, you know, because twenty

872
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty three, I didn't really drop much music

873
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: because I was like getting my business in order and

874
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: just like getting my mental together. I was really still

875
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: kind of like shaken back from grieving and lost to

876
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: my little brother for them two years. Like I really

877
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: fell into like alcoholism real bad, Like I lost myself

878
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: bad after my brother that, like I admit, like I

879
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: really wasn't myself. I turned into a whole other person,

880
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: you knowe what I'm saying, like drinking every day, wanted

881
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: to be outside party and anything and just get my

882
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: mad off of that, you know what I'm saying. Like

883
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: I was really in the now that he got killed.

884
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: So twoenty twenty two, twenty three, I was like I

885
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: had to like really like it was like a reality

886
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: check for me for real, Like just like all right,

887
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: bet let me get my beness in order, let me

888
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: figure out what I want to do with my career

889
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: in music. Like I was just winging it for like

890
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: a year and a half two years, So I spent

891
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: all that time trying to like, you know, just get

892
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: a grip and figure it out. So the last year

893
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four to twenty five, I just wanted to

894
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: kind of like figure out how to rap again and

895
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: just like for music out and see what.

896
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: And it works.

897
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure and that so that felt it

898
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: felt good to you to be but it be like

899
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: people's responses were amazing.

900
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I like, I love everybody who

901
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: support me on the app, because that's how I was

902
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: trying it for real, Like I wasn't trying to put

903
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: music out on DSPs, like I was just testing my

904
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: app and seeing who really rocked with me, Like all right,

905
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: bet go listen to it on the app and see

906
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: what feedback I could get from that. Because I was

907
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: just locked in the studio and just tried to make

908
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: as much music as I can and whatever I came

909
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: out with that was good. I just put projects together.

910
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: I think I dropped like three four mixtapes and just

911
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: what was.

912
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 3: The pressure of you doing through the fire?

913
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: It was I ain't gonna lie that. That's crazy you

914
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: asked me that because that was one of the toughest

915
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: songs for real, because.

916
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: People are gonna compare like your own like twenty twenty.

917
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: Five, Yeah for sure, like through the wires, Like definitely

918
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: in my top three of Kanye.

919
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 3: Songs probably I could see that, Yeah.

920
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: Definitely, you know what I'm saying. So like to do that,

921
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: it was tough for me. I wanted to be able

922
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: to kind of like dig into like all the emotions

923
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: that I could find doing that record, you know, So

924
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: it was a lot of pressure on me though I

925
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: ain't gonna lie like and even when I did it,

926
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: I still wasn't like super comfortable with it, Like I

927
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: ain't know how it was gonna be. I had to

928
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: like read the room after I was done, see like

929
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: what everybody was feeling. Yeah, I had to see what

930
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: everybody was I think it did, thank you for sure.

931
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: It's because it's nostalgic, but it's your own version of

932
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: and rightfully so yeah.

933
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: So its like I was like, that's why I was

934
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: like talking about my uncle and my father and stuff,

935
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: because I just wanted to be like just get all

936
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: the real emotions out because that's what YA did on

937
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: that record. So I was just trying to get as

938
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: close as I could to that.

939
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: I like it, So what are we expecting from Little Herb?

940
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Little Herb? It is definitely I don't even

941
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: like saying this type of stuff, but I'm gona just

942
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: go ahead and put it out there. Man, I'm a

943
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: manifested man.

944
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: I feel like it's gonna be album of the year.

945
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: For sure, like my best body of work. Definitely. I

946
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: feel like and it's just like elevated rap, Like it's

947
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: not even just like it's not about the songs. You

948
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: gotta really listen to my lyricism and the word play

949
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: and the stuff that I'm saying on the album and

950
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: the topics that I'm touching on. I feel like it's

951
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: like what music has been lately. It's getting back to

952
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: hip hop, like real rap, you know what I'm saying,

953
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: Like it's cool people making records and the stuff that

954
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: turned the clubs up. Like don't get me wrong, I

955
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: got those kind of vibes on that, but I'm really

956
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: really rapping on here, you know what I'm saying, And

957
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: like that's who Little Herb was. But introduction of who

958
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: Little Herd was to the world was a kid from

959
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: say Ninth Street and one of the worst neighborhoods that

960
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: just knew how to rap, Like in the midst of

961
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: drill and what drill was. I was the the drill

962
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: rapper that like, oh no, he could spit like he

963
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: an m C. You know what I'm saying. I think

964
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: that's what you know, love her it is.

965
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: So I was visiting and he collapsed from.

966
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: Perhaps I want to I'm handing a little something, man.

967
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to. I'm trying to really, you know,

968
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: bring Bibby our retirement. So we're gonna see when it dropped.

969
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Man, you keep saying that, let's see if it's gonna happen.

970
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yet I'm trying to bring Biby our retirement. Man.

971
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: Biby like he just super picky with the music that

972
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, he like and what he

973
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: want to put out. You feel I'm saying like he

974
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: tell me, you know, it's so crazy, like not even crazy,

975
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: like he tell me at time we talk. He like, bro,

976
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: you're going crazy right now. Like he felt like, I'm

977
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: like my best when it come to like rap right now.

978
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's great, yeah, like for sure,

979
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: but Bibby like and I feel the same way about him,

980
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: Like he'd be saying, like he has say some shit

981
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: like mom, we can hear now I can't rap, but

982
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: like it's no way, there's no way possible. He can't.

983
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: You rapp too good to not. You know what I'm saying.

984
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: I like you could, like like it's like Iron Shop

985
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: or iron but I ain't. And it's been it's probably

986
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: been seven years since me and Bibby actually been in

987
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: the studio together and did a song, like that's what

988
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: I want to do. Like, if we get in the

989
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: studio in the studio and do a song, it's gonna

990
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: be a smash. But we ain't did that in at

991
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: least seven years.

992
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: Well, he don't got much time, so he got to

993
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: hurry up.

994
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: For sure, it's coming out here and it's gonna be

995
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: on your app, But no, it's not, is it the

996
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: Is this the last album that you have as part

997
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: of your deal?

998
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: Because okay, I'm gonna be one hundred percent independent man

999
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: the first time in my career.

1000
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: It's good that you said it that bright.

1001
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: You got the app going, You see how it's working,

1002
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: iron out all the kinks in that people can get

1003
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: on there.

1004
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: It's not gonna crash.

1005
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: No, it's not gonna crash for sure, Like for sure,

1006
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 2: I got an elite team behind the app now for sure.

1007
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm like, I'm just trying to figure out

1008
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: like certain things, like even outside of my album, I

1009
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: got so much music and I'm still recording still, like

1010
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: even though my album is turned in, Like I'm still

1011
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: recording and trying to push stuff together, like just to

1012
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: just keep feeding the algorithm on my app, Like that's

1013
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: more important to me than anything.

1014
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: That's what gave you back your energy. It's having your

1015
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: own app. But you can do whatever it is that

1016
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: you want.

1017
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: I could wake up at four in the morning, like,

1018
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: might I want to drop this song and just put

1019
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: it out on my app?

1020
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: That's dope. You've done so many things that people haven't done.

1021
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: You got the family again along everybody. I think that's amazing.

1022
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: So congrats on that because that was a journey. Sometimes

1023
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: people can't even see that that will ever happen.

1024
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean I did though. That's the crazy part about it.

1025
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: Like I'm always been like a visionary. I'm like, man,

1026
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: it's gonna be cool to get greater later, you know,

1027
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: And it's all like just just got to try to

1028
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: figure out how to do the next best thing, because

1029
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, ain't nothing more important

1030
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: than Yeah.

1031
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 3: That's right. You got an apology from Selene the Power.

1032
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen that, probably the only art rapper

1033
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: to ever get an apology from us show. The shouts

1034
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: out to her.

1035
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: Man being open and honest about your story. But I

1036
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: appreciate you for coming up.

1037
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: It's always great talking to you. Your interviews are always amazing.

1038
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: Definitely, Definitely, it is always good to see you.

1039
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you, thank you so much for getting on that.

1040
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: Right, you got an interview. How to make you Ain't

1041
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: nobody doing that, got a presence, ain't nobody doing that.

1042
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: But that's how we have to do it. We plan

1043
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: this back all right. Well, thank you so much. I

1044
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: appreciate you sure