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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: TV superstar Matthew Perry, dead of a drug overdose in

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Speaker 2: his hot tub, the star of Friends. His doctor now

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Speaker 2: agrees to plead guilty in Matthew Perry's tragic ketamine overdose death.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us in the Last Days Friends star. Matthew

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Speaker 2: Perry's doctor, doctor Salvador Placincia, agrees to plead guilty four

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Speaker 2: counts ketamine distribution following Perry's shock death. Placentia, nicknamed Doctor P,

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Speaker 2: faces a statutory maximum sentence of forty years in federal prison.

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Speaker 2: Now right now, he has not entered that plea, but

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Speaker 2: he says he agrees to plead guilty.

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Speaker 1: Will he do it?

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Speaker 2: This leaves only the Ketymene Queen Javin Senga as a

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Speaker 2: defendant who has not taken a plea deal. First of all,

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Speaker 2: let's start with disgraced doctor Placincia.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Matthew Perry?

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Speaker 2: First of all, the same way I like to start

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Speaker 2: every jury trial.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with the nine to one one call.

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Speaker 3: Listen three as on radio in part of the drowning

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Speaker 3: process for a few drew three.

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Speaker 2: You can't tell a lot, but I learned something significant.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear that one more time, said.

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Speaker 3: Three signs and radio as one of the drowning across

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Speaker 3: between three give us.

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Speaker 2: Now, some of those numbers are universal. Sometimes you hear

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Speaker 2: numbers across a police ban or on an ems.

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Speaker 1: That are specific to that region.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm hearing that really jumps out at me

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Speaker 2: is response to the drowning. So at the beginning, it

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Speaker 2: was believed that the friends start died of drowning because

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Speaker 2: that's what was reported to them.

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Speaker 1: But what do we really know? Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at crime online.

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Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year

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Speaker 4: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.

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Speaker 4: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and

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Speaker 4: the effects of Buprenorphineprenorphine is used to treat opioid use disorder.

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Speaker 4: The manner of death has been ruled an accident.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: See, I'm a trial lawyer, and that is why the

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Speaker 2: medical examiners and everybody at the crime lab would go

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Speaker 2: hide under their desk when they saw my beat up

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Speaker 2: go through it line by line literally to make sense

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Speaker 2: of what they wrote down in their scientific findings. What

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Speaker 2: acute effects of ketamine. Other contributing factors were drowning, coronary

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Speaker 2: artery disease, be prefer blue blue used to treat opioid disorder,

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Speaker 2: manner of death, accident.

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Speaker 1: There's so much there.

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Speaker 2: I could do a whole flow chart on that to

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Speaker 2: try to explain all that to a jury. Luckily we

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Speaker 2: have experts with us. But first I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: to a special guest joining us, Miguel Melendez, joining us,

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Speaker 2: senior writer for E T Entertainment tonight.

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Speaker 1: Miguel, what a pleasure to have you on. Man. This

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Speaker 1: sent shock.

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Speaker 2: Waves through not only Hollywood, but across our country. Because

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Speaker 2: I'm going to follow this up with our shrink, Karen Stark.

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Speaker 1: We think we know Matthew Perry.

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Speaker 2: Why because we've seen him on the big screen, we've

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Speaker 2: seen him on the little screen. We follow him in

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Speaker 2: the tabloids. We think we know him and about his life.

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Speaker 2: We've been following his struggle with addiction, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people can identify with that. If you haven't had

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Speaker 2: that struggle in somebody, you know somebody close to you

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Speaker 2: has had that struggle. So Matthew Perry was kind of

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Speaker 2: like every man that was struggling with a lot. But

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Speaker 2: to you, Miguel Melendez, I want to go before I

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Speaker 2: get into Matthew Perry himself and how it ended up

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Speaker 2: this way, I want to talk to you about what happened,

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Speaker 2: what surrounded the discovery of Matthew Perry dead in a

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Speaker 2: hot tub leading up to that. Tell me about the

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Speaker 2: discovery and what came out at the time that he

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Speaker 2: was first discovered dead in hot tub.

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Speaker 5: Right, So, what we know of the timeline is that

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Speaker 5: at eleven am, Matthew had played pickleball. At one thirty

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Speaker 5: seven PM is when Matthew was last known to be

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Speaker 5: alive by his personal living assistant to live with him

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Speaker 5: in the Pacific Policy home. He was off to run

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Speaker 5: errand at one thirty seven PM, the living assistant returned

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Speaker 5: home and found Matthew floating face down in the jacuzzi.

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Speaker 5: The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the

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Speaker 5: sitting position on the steps of the pool, and found

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Speaker 5: him by the way on the heated side of the

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Speaker 5: pool called nine one one. Paramedics arrived and they moved

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Speaker 2: Puskay, hold on, Miguel, You're giving me so much information

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Speaker 2: so quickly. I'm drinking from the fire hydrate because Miguel,

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Speaker 2: you know, I like to dissect every single sentence, and

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Speaker 2: I loved everything you just said as far as factually

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Speaker 2: what I'm learning.

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Speaker 1: Could you say it again and very slowly? Okay? Did

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Speaker 1: you say the living assistant him?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay. Why did Matthew Perry have a live and assistant?

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Speaker 2: That I can answer you, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: I don't know the exact circumstances of what led to that.

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Speaker 5: I do know that the living assistant, based on this report,

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Speaker 5: is that he administered the Detoks drugs on Matthew twice

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Speaker 5: a day.

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Speaker 1: That's important. Miguel Melendez, Hold on, Miguel, hold the thought.

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Speaker 1: Guys with me.

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Speaker 2: He's a senior writer for entertainment tonight.

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Speaker 1: You all know him.

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Speaker 2: Miguel Melndez giving us everything we need to know to

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Speaker 2: analyze this drug ketamine that claimed the life of Matthew Perry.

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Speaker 1: Karen el start joining me.

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Speaker 2: Renowned TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen

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Speaker 2: with the c if you're trying to find her, Karen, So,

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Speaker 2: is it like a minder you have with AA that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they call it a minder. They call

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Speaker 2: it something else, someone that checks in on you. It's

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Speaker 2: like your partner, your buddy. That's who you call when

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Speaker 2: you have a problem or you're going to relapse. Is

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Speaker 2: that what you think is happening here? He had somebody

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Speaker 6: It's called a sponsor. And his assistant she was his sponsor.

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Speaker 6: She was his minder, as you said, Nancy, So she

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Speaker 6: was there. She could not stop him from taking something,

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Speaker 6: but certainly was trying. That was her role to make

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Speaker 6: sticking to his determination to stop. And he was very

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Speaker 6: open about it. But he really did want to stop

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Speaker 6: taking drugs recreationally.

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Speaker 2: He really did, and he made no secret about it.

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Speaker 2: What led up to that moment Miguel Melndez is describing.

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Speaker 2: But first again, Miguel, could you tell me the assistant

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Speaker 2: comes in? You said he was near the heater end

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Speaker 2: of the hot tub.

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Speaker 7: Correct on four PM.

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Speaker 5: That live in the system walks in from running errands,

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Speaker 5: signed Matthew Perry floating space down in the jacuzzi in

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Speaker 5: the heated end.

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Speaker 1: Of the pool.

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Speaker 5: The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the

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Speaker 5: sitting position on the steps of the pool, and.

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Speaker 7: Called nine one one.

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Speaker 5: Paramedics soon arrived pulled Matthew out of the pool onto

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Speaker 5: the grass, where he was pronounced that at the.

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Speaker 2: Scene, you know, I think I had it bass ackwars

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Speaker 2: migam melndez I was saying hot tub because I've read jacuzzie.

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Speaker 1: But was the jacuzzi or.

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Speaker 2: The hot tub part of the pool? Was he in

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Speaker 2: a pool or was he in a hot tub or chacuzi?

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Speaker 5: It looked like it was a long pool that has

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Speaker 5: a jacuzi. And then if they're not two separate.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that makes perfect sense. Okay, guys, what led up

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Speaker 2: to this moment? Take a listen to our friend Nicole Parton.

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Speaker 4: Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a

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Speaker 4: game of pickleball with friends around the lane. Am Perry

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Speaker 4: returned to his home after the game and was seen

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Speaker 4: At one thirty seven pm, at four o'clock PM, the

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Speaker 1: And called nine to one one.

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Speaker 4: Paramedics responded, pulled Perry out of the pool and onto

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Speaker 4: four seventeen PM. His stepfather, Keith Morrison is listed as

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Speaker 4: the informant, which means the dateline host is who identified

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that Muson is so horrible on the

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Speaker 2: stepfather to have to do that after the struggle he

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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry went through so publicly against substance abuse. Mike

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Speaker 2: McCormick joining me out of LA owner lead investigator mcm Investigations,

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Speaker 2: Mike McCormick, thank.

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Speaker 1: You for being with us. I'm very curious.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry had been so open and public about his

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Speaker 2: battle with addiction. Who I mean, even I know about

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Speaker 2: that two thousand miles away, who would be supplying him drugs,

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Speaker 2: ketamine and all the other things in his system?

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Speaker 7: It was either prescribed to him that Kennedy was prescribed,

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Speaker 7: or he's getting it off the street. There's only several

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Speaker 7: been involved with him off and on from about two

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Speaker 7: off the street for him. So the kennamine and other

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Speaker 7: drugs he may have been taking couldn't come from me.

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Speaker 7: Their hiish.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I understand how he died

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Speaker 1: and why he died, but what.

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Speaker 2: Did doctor p. Salvador Placincia I have to do with it?

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Speaker 8: Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an

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Speaker 8: unscrupulous doctor, aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues.

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Speaker 8: Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Masa,

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Speaker 8: how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both

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Speaker 8: Perry and Ewa Masa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs

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Speaker 8: become too expensive, Perry and Ewamasa turned to street dealers,

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Speaker 8: including Jasvine's Songha dubbed the ketamine Queen what.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, A very dear and intimate friend

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Speaker 2: of Matthew Perry says she doesn't think that ketamine is

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Speaker 2: the cause of death.

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Speaker 1: Why he and what would be the cause of death

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Speaker 1: the medical examiner has to say.

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Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year

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Speaker 4: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.

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Speaker 4: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and

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Speaker 4: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid

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Speaker 4: use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.

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Speaker 2: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we are learning right now, but with me a

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Speaker 2: special guest, Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein.

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Speaker 2: His name tastes like dirt in my mouth, convicted on

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Speaker 2: multiple rapes, and she has just written a New York

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Speaker 2: Times guest essay, I was a celebrity assistant. The power

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Speaker 2: and balance is very real. Rowena Chew, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. I enjoyed your article. I read it

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Speaker 2: several times over, and I try to compare what you're

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Speaker 2: saying in your situation with Harvey Weinstein may he writ

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Speaker 2: in Hell two, Matthew Perry's assistant number one. Matthew Perry

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Speaker 2: was not a criminal. I was not a rapist number one.

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Speaker 2: But you point out assistants often do things that are,

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Speaker 2: let me just say, legally and ethically questionable.

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Speaker 1: In your case, what does that mean in my case?

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Speaker 2: Assistance, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants, comparing that to what

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Speaker 1: But I'll circle back.

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Speaker 2: To you, Misschi, in just one moment, and again I

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Speaker 2: I find very interesting right now is that it's all

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Speaker 1: You put up ten percent. He's gone, he's out.

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Speaker 2: The so called ketamine Queen has not been sentenced. The

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Speaker 2: that the Feds. Have you ever seen a cat with

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Speaker 2: what the FEDS are doing right now. They're playing toying

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Speaker 2: that's what's happening. But to you, Kiala Brandtley Daily Mail,

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Speaker 2: A lot of people haven't been sentenced. The other celebrity doctors,

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Speaker 2: But I bet a lot of celebrities and a list

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Speaker 2: doctors are quaking in their boots right now, Kiela, what's happening, Yeah, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: So what we know so far, at least when it

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Speaker 11: you said, doctor Parfensia put up one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: Music, continue to live their lives.

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Speaker 2: Brandley Daily Mail. Matthew Perry can't live his life. And

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Speaker 2: he's not the only one. We now have identified two

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Speaker 1: Both dead.

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Speaker 2: But right now to Mike McCormick, owner lead investigator MCM Investigations,

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Speaker 1: Mike really boohoo.

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Speaker 2: He can't prescribe control substances.

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Speaker 1: That's his punishment.

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Speaker 2: He's back and his fancy sports car and his fancy

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Speaker 1: I guess not. But you know what he can do.

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Speaker 2: He can elicit get another doctor, a straw doctor as

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Speaker 1: Let me think of an example.

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Speaker 2: Doing that, he can have a straw doc actually write

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Speaker 2: Perry is dead and you know what everybody's talking about

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Speaker 2: his net worth. In fact, his home is being remodeled

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Speaker 1: That's going right on the market. It's like it.

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Speaker 12: Never happened, exactly exactly. This is come of a linear

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Speaker 2: Joining me psychoanalyst to the stars, doctor Bethany Marshall, author

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Speaker 2: of deal Breaker, and you can also see her on

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Speaker 2: peacock and find her a doctor Bethanymarshall dot com dotor Bethany.

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Speaker 2: I want to circle back with you about how this

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Speaker 13: Listen details of Perry's last days in a federal indictment

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Speaker 14: Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he

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Speaker 1: And he's free.

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Speaker 2: If you or I cause the death of a superstar

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Speaker 1: So why is he free?

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Speaker 2: And why is it very murky, very unclear as to

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Speaker 1: That's why joining me.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, He's also featured in Thin Places Essays Essays

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Speaker 2: I've been researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew

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Speaker 2: Perry when he quote froze that's hardly a medical description,

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 15: High Nancy, thank you. So a spike in his systolic

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Speaker 15: His blood pressure is elevated to a point.

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Speaker 15: That means his blood pressure is at a high level,

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Speaker 2: So when he quote froze up, what does that indicate

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Speaker 1: What's a systolic spike in blood pressure?

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Speaker 15: I would say, the term froze up to me, sounds

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Speaker 2: It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting

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Speaker 2: But even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient

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Speaker 2: shot waves through the celebrity doctor network in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: And now Matthew Perry is dead.

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Speaker 2: You know it's Cala Brandley's joining me, investigative reporter with

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Speaker 2: the Daily Mail. Kela, I understand that the doctor who

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Speaker 2: is now living alive, he's not in jail like everybody

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Speaker 2: else would be connected to a death. He would provide

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Speaker 2: the medication, the ketamine, along with the kenemine queen for

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Speaker 2: the assistant to make at home ketamine injections. Now, I

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Speaker 2: heard what Rowena Chu said that the power balance is

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Speaker 2: way off, But shouldn't you know instinctively, especially after Perry

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Speaker 2: was having seizures just days before that you should not

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Speaker 2: be injecting ketamine to.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry at home.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this assistant needs to be in jail, along

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Speaker 2: with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the street supplier.

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Speaker 2: They all need to be in jail and we need

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Speaker 2: to know their sentences. So what's happening, kel, I don't

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Speaker 2: understand what's.

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Speaker 1: The hold up?

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Speaker 15: Right?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 11: Maybe I also want to break down exactly how much

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Speaker 11: ketymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis and

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Speaker 11: Placentia distributed twenty vials of ketymine to Perry for fifty

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Speaker 11: five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two thousand

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Speaker 11: dollars for a vial, and that vile cost doctor Chavi

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Speaker 11: is just twelve dollars. So you can imagine how much

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Speaker 11: money they were making off Perry. And that's the point

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Speaker 11: that the prosecutors were making. Now the Kenemye Queen Sanga,

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Speaker 11: she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry

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Speaker 11: with Fleming delivering the product that they are Flemming the

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Speaker 11: Hollywood producer, and they sold it to him for eleven

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Speaker 11: thousand dollars. So these people were making a lot of

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Speaker 11: money off of Perry's addiction, and they clearly knew, as

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Speaker 11: you said, he was seizing up. And then you had

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Speaker 11: the person who was injecting him, who was his trusted assistant.

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Speaker 11: So you make a great point that you know, these

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Speaker 11: people should be held accountable, and that's exactly what the

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Speaker 11: prosecutors are trying to do.

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Speaker 14: They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry

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Speaker 14: in exchange for fifty five thousand dollars in cash. Defendant

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Speaker 14: Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of

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Speaker 14: mister Perry. He wrote in a text message in September

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty three, quote, I wonder how much this moron

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Speaker 14: will pay. He also stated in text messages that he

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Speaker 14: wanted to be mister Perry's sole source of supply. He

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Speaker 14: wrote in a text message that he wanted to be

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Speaker 14: mister Perry's quote go to for drugs.

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Speaker 16: Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two

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Speaker 16: times in the same week of his tragic.

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Speaker 1: Death, joining us.

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Speaker 2: Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, who just wrote

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Speaker 2: a New York Times guest essay, I was a celebrity assistant.

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Speaker 1: The power imbalance is very real.

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Speaker 2: You just heard other examples that celebrity assistants have named.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that in this.

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Speaker 2: Case the assistant is being scapegoated or do you believe

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Speaker 2: he is rightfully being prosecuted as it relates to Matthew

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Speaker 2: Perry's death.

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Speaker 10: I do believe he's being scapegoated.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we just heard about how other players in

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Speaker 9: this system are making insane amounts of money, and I

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Speaker 9: asked you to think about what does the assistants stand

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Speaker 9: again in that equation, what.

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Speaker 1: Does the money have to do with it? Rowena? Would

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Speaker 1: it make it okay if he was paid more money?

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Speaker 9: Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was

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Speaker 9: doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the

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Speaker 9: amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were

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Speaker 9: making and what did the assistants stand to gain. I

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Speaker 9: believe the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't

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Speaker 9: making staggering amounts of money, and so therefore his incentive

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Speaker 9: to do what he did was very different from the

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Speaker 9: doctors and the drug dealers. He wasn't out there trying

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Speaker 9: to get something for himself. He was merely trying to

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Speaker 9: survive his job. There's a big difference in that.

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Speaker 2: So you believe the difference, and whether he should be

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Speaker 2: criminally culpable is whether he was getting paid for shooting

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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry up to his death.

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Speaker 9: I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him

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Speaker 9: to push this agenda, and therefore I don't believe that

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Speaker 9: he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what

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Speaker 9: he was told to do under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So

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Speaker 9: I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the

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Speaker 9: assistant is not really this person who should be skapegoated.

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Speaker 9: That there are layers of privilege and abuse of power

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Speaker 9: that are far greater than that. And you know, we

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Speaker 9: can easily point to doctors and drug dealers who were

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Speaker 9: making vast amounts of money and had a huge incentive

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Speaker 9: to push this kind of an agenda.

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Speaker 2: And are actually still making vast amounts of money. Mike

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Speaker 2: McCormick joining me lean investigator of MCM Investigations in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Mike McCormick, our respector Rowen and Chew. But I think

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Speaker 2: that's complete BS. I don't agree at all. Everybody in

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Speaker 2: Hollywood is making money off celebs. Webs are making money

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Speaker 2: off the studios. The studios are making money off us

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Speaker 2: and advertisers. That's how it works in Hollywood. It's like

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Speaker 2: one bloodsucker sucking on the next bloodsucker, just like ticks,

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Speaker 2: you know, stuck to the animal. But Mike McCormick, why

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Speaker 2: aren't they in jail number one? And what do you

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Speaker 2: make of what Rowena is saying that the assistant is

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Speaker 2: the scapegoat. I think they should all be put in

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Speaker 2: the same pot to boil and all be tried together.

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Speaker 1: As it relates to Perry's death, Well, I don't think.

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Speaker 12: The assistant is being scapegoaded. I just think he was

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Speaker 12: being more loyal, just doing what the boss wanted him

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Speaker 12: to do. It had nothing to do with money, was

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Speaker 12: job security and loyalty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on to some moment, Doctor Bethony Marshall, Maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives

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Speaker 2: in a mansion, he makes plenty of money, He rubs

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Speaker 2: elbows with all of the stars, a drives a beautiful

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Speaker 2: luxury car. Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions.

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Speaker 1: I don't see it, Nancy.

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Speaker 17: I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants

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Speaker 17: sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the

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Speaker 17: major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the

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Speaker 17: world and had to stand around serving palomas to the

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Speaker 17: family all day long alcoholic beverages, and he became so

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Speaker 17: disgusted because one of the family members was drunk all

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Speaker 17: day long.

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Speaker 10: He was traumatized.

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Speaker 17: He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do

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Speaker 17: this anymore, and he left the job. So, yes, these

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Speaker 17: assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do

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Speaker 17: things they don't want to do, but they do have

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Speaker 17: agency in the world. And I think in particular, when

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Speaker 17: you are potentially committing homicide, that's a breach of duty,

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Speaker 17: that's lack of judgment that a ten year old knows

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Speaker 17: not to do.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 18: We just know basically, you don't kill somebody. If you

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Speaker 18: administer a drug, they sees you don't administer the drug again.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone

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Speaker 18: and worked at a bar, would probably I would prefer

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Speaker 18: to scrub floors than to inject somebody with a substance.

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Speaker 10: That could kill them. It is just common sense.

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Speaker 18: Of course, there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a

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Speaker 18: power in balance in life for all of us.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, Caleb Brandtley, I want to follow up

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Speaker 2: on what doctor Bethany is saying. Caleb Brantley joining us

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Speaker 2: from Daily Mail call, and we understand that Matthew Perry's

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Speaker 2: mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot tub, the pool.

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Speaker 1: Area where he died. It seems as.

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Speaker 2: If for Hollywood, including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual.

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Speaker 2: The doctor is back in his clinic, treating patients and

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Speaker 2: making a ton of money. There are no sentences on

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Speaker 2: the people that have agreed to plead guilty. It just

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Speaker 2: seems as if everyone's acting as though nothing happened.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry is dead.

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Speaker 2: These people, according to the Feds, are responsible. Why aren't

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Speaker 2: they behind bars? Killa and what, if anything can you

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Speaker 2: tell me about when these people are going to jail

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Speaker 2: and one other question. Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends

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Speaker 2: states that he Perry was deathly afraid of needles, and

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Speaker 2: she is questioning the real cood.

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Speaker 8: Keilla Listen, one of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Katie,

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Speaker 8: says she does not believe Perry could have possibly been

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Speaker 8: taking ketamine. Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying

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Speaker 8: he wouldn't even consider a tattoo due to the phobia.

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Speaker 8: Edwards was no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him

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Speaker 8: he would die in an argument over his drug use.

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Speaker 8: Perry's response quote, you only die when you use needles,

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Speaker 8: and I would never ever do that.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Brandley, what about it?

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Speaker 2: This person an intimate friend of Perry's raising the specter

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Speaker 2: up another cood cause of death.

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Speaker 11: I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She

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Speaker 11: dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as

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Speaker 11: an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were

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Speaker 11: still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I

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Speaker 11: understand that she said that he had a fear of this.

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Speaker 11: But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about

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Speaker 11: these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it

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Speaker 11: felt and how it was helping him. So I personally

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Speaker 11: am not so sure of that theory. And you do

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Speaker 11: have his assistant and everyone basically admitting to injecting him,

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Speaker 11: And back to your point of why are and these

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Speaker 11: people you know behind bars and what's going on? I

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Speaker 11: think right now it's just a waiting game. We have

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Speaker 11: had clee deals which have gotten us more information from

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Speaker 11: the assistant, from the friend, from one of the doctors,

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Speaker 11: So I think we will be seeing more in due time.

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Speaker 11: There will be a sentence. They will end up facing

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Speaker 11: the consequences.

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Speaker 4: Of their actions.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Doctor p Doctor Placincia has

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Speaker 2: also been charged with altering and falsifying documents or records

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Speaker 2: in connection with a federal investigation. Now with the expected

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Speaker 2: guilty plea, he joins three others who have pled guilty

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Speaker 2: in connection with the death of Matthew Perry, and they

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Speaker 2: are doctor Mark Chevez, Perry's assistant, Kenneth Iwamasa, and Eric Fleming,

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Speaker 2: an acquaintance of the Friends star the so called Kennemine

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Speaker 2: Queen Javin Sanga, the only one who has not taken

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Speaker 2: a plea deal? What is her connection to the death

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Speaker 2: of Matthew Perry.

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Speaker 16: Did the drug dealer dubbed the Ketamine Queen refer to

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Speaker 16: Matthew Perry by his friend's character name.

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Speaker 2: And that would be his affinity Matthew Perry's affinity with Batman,

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Speaker 2: and he would call himself Mattman. But according to sources,

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Speaker 2: the so called Keemine Queen, Jasvine Songha referred to him

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Speaker 2: as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would

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Speaker 2: talk about drugs and drug deliveries code named Chandler.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that was a toughie.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike across Hollywood are quaking

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Speaker 2: in their boots, afraid that the so called Ketamine Queen

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Speaker 2: is going to rat them out in exchange for a

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Speaker 2: sweetheart deal from the fees. The so called Ketamine Queen,

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Speaker 2: the one that supplied Matthew Perry with the deadly dose

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Speaker 2: of ketamine that ended in his death.

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Speaker 1: Are there other victims?

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Speaker 13: Yes, Listen Jasvien Songha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine.

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Speaker 13: Later that same day, Mclowry's family finds him dead. A

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Speaker 13: family member tells Sogha her ketamine coused mcclowry's overdose death,

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Speaker 13: and Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause

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Speaker 13: of death.

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Speaker 8: Eric Fleming, who reportedly acted as a program director at

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Speaker 8: the bell Air rehab Red Door, also had a resident

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Speaker 8: die on his watch. William Cooney, thirty six, was found

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Speaker 8: dead of a fentyl overdose in his bathroom.

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Speaker 2: At the So those are two alleged victims, two more

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Speaker 2: victims of the Ketemine Queen. That makes three if those

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Speaker 2: two victims are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family

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Speaker 2: is speaking out against the Ketemine Queen.

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Speaker 1: And is she talking?

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Speaker 2: Is she making a deal with the fedes to get

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Speaker 2: a light sentence in exchange for ratting out other slips

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Speaker 2: and other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money

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Speaker 2: to support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between

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Speaker 2: the Ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims?

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Speaker 1: All dead?

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Speaker 19: Coming to light are Broke Mueller's deep ties to suspects

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Speaker 19: Fleming and Sogha. Mueller spent time with Sanghai in one

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Speaker 19: of her many rehabs Dens, and Fleming is reportedly a

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Speaker 19: godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then

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Speaker 19: boyfriend William Cooney to join her at Pall Fleming's rehab program,

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Speaker 19: where Cooney overdosed and died. Mueller may well have introduced

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Speaker 19: Fleming and Songhaw to Perry as shortcuts to feed his addiction.

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Speaker 19: Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating with the investigation

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Speaker 19: and is not facing any charges.

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Speaker 2: Let me understand, Caleb Brantley joining us from dailymail dot com.

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Speaker 2: The so called ketamine queen Songha meets up with who

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Speaker 2: in rehab? Let me see is Britton Mueller, who apparently

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Speaker 2: was very close to Matthew Perry. Now how does that

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Speaker 2: connect into Songha the dealer.

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Speaker 11: Well, all roads are kind of leading back to jas

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Speaker 11: In Songha, the Kennymine queen. She was a supplier of

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Speaker 11: multiple people. And now we do find this connection between

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Speaker 11: Brooke Mueller, who spent time with Matthew Perry in the

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Speaker 11: rehab they were close friends. And then we have Eric Flemming,

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Speaker 11: who was a director at the rehab center where this

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Speaker 11: man William Cooney had passed away. So it all is

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Speaker 11: a circular connection of going back to Sanghai. And I'm

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Speaker 11: not have been on the radar for a while. Back

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Speaker 11: in March twenty twenty four, the EDU rated her house

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Speaker 11: and they called it a drug imporium. These seventy nine

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Speaker 11: bottles that some had tested positive for kettymine. So this

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Speaker 11: is no surprise that Ja Zinfanga is involved in this

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Speaker 11: Matthew Perry case.

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Speaker 2: Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the

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Speaker 2: high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry.

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Speaker 2: Now would he be her third victim? Why has it

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Speaker 2: taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations

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Speaker 2: ongoing now? This by far is not the first time

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Speaker 2: a celebrity has died with enablers circling them like vultures.

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Speaker 1: Listen, how are you doing it?

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Speaker 20: In security?

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Speaker 1: From Burdle Hilton?

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Speaker 8: All right, what going on?

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Speaker 20: I need a paramedic. Apparently I got a forty sic

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Speaker 20: year old female found in the bat I'm to followup

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Speaker 20: guy right now. But they're questing paramedics now, Okay, Fanmonel

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Speaker 20: fell about them? I love rymischannel. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 20: she Fellow. She was in the bathroom with the water

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Speaker 20: four four three four. I'm sorry we had the room

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Speaker 20: four three fourth yet Okay, there's not East West or

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Speaker 20: anything else.

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Speaker 16: That's room four four thirty four.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, okay, you don't know see a country of breathing

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Speaker 20: at all. Apparently she wasn't breathing and she's toy secured

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Speaker 20: she was not breathing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Whitney Houston surrounded by enablers. Ultimately it cost her

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Speaker 2: her life. Then there is John Belushi, one of the

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Speaker 2: greatest comedians that ever lived. He was shot up with

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Speaker 2: drugs at the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard

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Speaker 2: jail time after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter

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Speaker 2: od He goes on and on and on. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times.

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Speaker 2: His younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Prince died of a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the

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Speaker 2: way back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole

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Speaker 2: spiraled down a drug hole while everyone supported that and

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Speaker 2: enabled her. Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on,

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Speaker 2: and the enablers are never brought to justice. Straight out

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Speaker 2: to Mike McCormick. Mcm investigations. Don't you know, the catamine

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Speaker 2: queen and all of them. They're like rats on a

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Speaker 2: sinking ship, are ready to deal, ready to name names, addresses,

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Speaker 2: phone numbers, little black books to save their own skin.

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Speaker 1: You don't think they're talking to the FEDS right now? Oh?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, yeah, They're gonna tell them everything they want to know.

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Speaker 2: Does standage to Todd Barr joining us doctor Barr, board

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Speaker 2: certified and atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, What do

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Speaker 2: you notice about the death certificate?

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Speaker 15: So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with

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Speaker 15: the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert,

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Speaker 15: I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved

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Speaker 15: other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim. The

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Speaker 15: very definition of a homicide is death at the hands

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Speaker 15: of another period, whether it's by omission or comission.

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Speaker 1: In this case, comission.

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Speaker 15: They brought in drugs, they injected them into Matthew Perry's body.

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Speaker 15: They should be charged with a homicide. They should be

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Speaker 15: charged with murder straight up, everyone that's involved.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 15: The second part of this is the official cause of

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Speaker 15: death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine and

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Speaker 15: other conditions. Or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there are

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Speaker 15: certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy. If

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Speaker 15: those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew Perry's

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Speaker 15: death is literally because of drowning. But then there's a

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Speaker 15: part b or drowning due to the intoxicating effects of ketamine.

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Speaker 15: So he was so dissociative and esthetized that he slipped

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Speaker 15: under the water. If they're going to list drowning as

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Speaker 15: a contributing factor, then that means they had evidence that

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Speaker 15: he drowned. So it should have been listed as a

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Speaker 15: drowning number one due to the effects of ketamine, and

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Speaker 15: the manner of death should have been listed as homicide.

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Speaker 15: So I have a very strong opinion about the way

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Speaker 15: this death certificate was worded, and I believe that sometimes

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Speaker 15: when it's worded this way, defendants get off a lot easier.

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Speaker 15: Now I don't know if in LA they have something

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Speaker 15: going where they were these death certificates in a way

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Speaker 15: so people get off a little easier, But that's my

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Speaker 15: take too.

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Speaker 2: Rowena che joining US former assistant Harvey Weinstein now activists,

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Speaker 2: who has just written a New York Times guest essay

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Speaker 2: called I was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is

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Speaker 2: a very real thought to you, Rowena, what do you

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Speaker 2: make of it all?

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Speaker 9: I think there are levels of power that we could

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Speaker 9: go after that are much more intense than that of

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Speaker 9: the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run

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Speaker 9: and the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone

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Speaker 9: should go after, because he has read his little autonomy.

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Speaker 10: I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable.

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Speaker 9: I'm saying that there are levels of power above him

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Speaker 9: that should accountable before he is.

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Speaker 2: Will doctor p plead guilty or will he go to

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Speaker 2: trial along with the so called Kenmine Queen? We wait

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Speaker 2: as just a sunfls goodbye for him