Speaker 1: Wynnie Cummings is a stand up comedian, actress, writer, director, producer,
Speaker 1: and fellow podcaster. She is amazing. She is pregnant. She
Speaker 1: is entertaining. She is talented. She is smart. She is outspoken.
Speaker 1: She is unfiltered. She has had an incredible career. She
Speaker 1: has starred in shows like Two Broke Girls, released seven
Speaker 1: comedy specials, published a book, and is the host of
Speaker 1: the podcast Good for You Now. She's ready for the
Speaker 1: next chapter in her life as a mom. This is
Speaker 1: just be with Whitney Cummings. Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: I am so sorry, I am late.
Speaker 1: I don't care at all.
Speaker 2: You're like the person who's approval I weirdly care about
Speaker 2: the most. On some level, I was thinking about you, though.
Speaker 2: So I put this Zoom podcast in my calendar while
Speaker 2: I was in Austin, Texas. So I thought I had
Speaker 2: two more hours and time zone.
Speaker 1: Shit's been happening a lot lately. Wait, so the clip
Speaker 1: is not in the back of our head It's at
Speaker 1: the front, which is the headline. Like, I've never seen
Speaker 1: someone with the clips so forward.
Speaker 2: Oh my hair clip? Okay, So I need to okay
Speaker 2: one thing at a time. I was just making a bagel,
Speaker 2: thinking about you. I think about you every time I
Speaker 2: make a bagel.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm famous for bagels.
Speaker 2: Yes, you are infamous, more than famous, famous and infamous.
Speaker 2: So I do my clip like this, I can't. I
Speaker 2: do a very high pony okay, high on the side.
Speaker 2: It's like a mini facelift. Okay. And then I twist, twist, twist,
Speaker 2: put it in the front, roll it like a hot dog,
Speaker 2: move it back and then and then clip it like that.
Speaker 1: Okay. I like it. And because also that means you
Speaker 1: have to have nice clip. That means it gives use
Speaker 1: to the nice clips that you buy. And and and
Speaker 1: you're pregnant, and I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2: I just started I got I started buying these hair clips.
Speaker 2: I used to do the J Crew ones. Those were
Speaker 2: so expensive and I would lose them. I found these.
Speaker 2: I don't know where, but I saw this hack on
Speaker 2: TikTok where you can use a hairclip to be a
Speaker 2: tripod for your phone. Same, So that's why I bought these.
Speaker 1: It's so smart. And you have that little wallet on
Speaker 1: your phone that I got too. Did they send that
Speaker 1: to you? I think they might have sent that to me.
Speaker 1: It's like a wallet and you can put a purse
Speaker 1: and make a phone purse.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the purse phone wallet thing, I'm very picky about.
Speaker 2: I'm sure someone has maybe sent one, but I'm very
Speaker 2: specific about the kind I like. I do. The bandelier,
Speaker 2: it only has a thing for credit cards. That's it.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 1: I bought that one. I bought it. I didn't get sented.
Speaker 1: It was case logic, that's sent. I bought that and
Speaker 1: I bought a strap to go with it, and I started.
Speaker 1: I did like three walks and then stop, and I
Speaker 1: felt like, you're that mom. Now you're that bitch. Now
Speaker 1: that has a purse phone.
Speaker 2: It's a new pocket protector. Everyone thinks you're a loser.
Speaker 2: But I always know where my phone is because what
Speaker 2: I used to do is I would always have my
Speaker 2: phone playing music or a podcast, so I could always
Speaker 2: find it. I always always have it. I could be
Speaker 2: giving myself air cancer, but I always wear it on
Speaker 2: my person.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I got to get back to that, except
Speaker 1: they had vandalier. You have to find a way to
Speaker 1: put the charger, like you could have the charger somehow,
Speaker 1: because you have to make a choice, like you're either
Speaker 1: charging or you're pursing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's uh, there's a charger port on the bottom.
Speaker 1: No, like the extra charger that you could jolt in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day, or like that little apple
Speaker 1: thing that you can attach they could really get.
Speaker 2: You mean you need a charge charger, a charge charger. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: then I might take you downstairs and show you this
Speaker 2: new contraption I started using.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I can see we haven't even gotten into
Speaker 1: the interview, but this is great.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 1: I have a water purse too, because if you're going
Speaker 1: through the airport, it's a per it's a water bottle
Speaker 1: that has a purse strap. So you've got two things
Speaker 1: going on. Okay, she goes, she's walk and she's walking,
Speaker 1: and she's walking, and.
Speaker 2: We're walking through my house. Because I am at this
Speaker 2: point a Karen. I am so sick of these Silicon
Speaker 2: Valley dorks. Hold on, I'm sick of.
Speaker 1: She's trying to one up me.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 1: The water purse triggered her.
Speaker 2: Now that I've seen your TikTok and how sort of
Speaker 2: intimate it is, I'm fearless. Now there's nothing I won't
Speaker 2: put on the internet. After what I've seen you do
Speaker 2: to a bagel.
Speaker 1: This entire interview is going to be based off of
Speaker 1: your twenty five things you don't know about me, And
Speaker 1: I want to give us Weekly a shout out because
Speaker 1: I've learned so much about so many people from that list.
Speaker 2: That's the other one. I like that one too, But
Speaker 2: I don't like it when people don't tell their secrets.
Speaker 2: Tell me why you lost weight, if it's ozempic or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, I don't care. Just share it. If
Speaker 2: you have some life hack, tell everybody about it, Like,
Speaker 2: help make other people's lives easier. What is else? Is
Speaker 2: the point of being a celebrity if you can't? Okay,
Speaker 2: so this is a wow.
Speaker 1: It's they're like body chaps she's putting on.
Speaker 2: Is it's like a vest you can wear. I just
Speaker 2: I'm not wearing underwear that has all these little pouches
Speaker 2: and then you zip it and it's actually a cute
Speaker 2: little vest and you can put it over anything. And
Speaker 2: so I'll put the charge charger in one, I'll put
Speaker 2: the phone in the other, and then I'll just walk
Speaker 2: around while they're charging.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, let's just discuss something.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Is that our non pregnant people allowed to wear that.
Speaker 2: Yes, this I got before pregnancy. It's like a do
Speaker 2: you know the exercise thing people are doing now called
Speaker 2: the rucksack where you put like a backpack on of
Speaker 2: thirty pounds and you go for a walk. It's supposed
Speaker 2: to be it's supposed to be amazing for you. Because
Speaker 2: they're now finding that, we're so all over the place.
Speaker 2: I love less.
Speaker 1: Oh so this is what my literally the girls said,
Speaker 1: this is what my interview with David Spade was like.
Speaker 1: It went nowhere and it never started and it never finished.
Speaker 1: It was like a free association of thought. So I'm happy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what we're talking about. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: there wherever there is.
Speaker 2: We're like two puppies that finally get to play. I
Speaker 2: feel like, but I feel like your fans just want
Speaker 2: to know, like I don't know, like just want us
Speaker 2: to be authentic and whatever. I'm or manic and so
Speaker 2: I just throw this over something. I just throw it
Speaker 2: over something. I'm sick of carrying a purse. I'm sick
Speaker 2: of losing it. I'm sick of it turning into a
Speaker 2: flaccid ballsack when I put it down the bottom of
Speaker 2: purses are disgusting. They're too expensive. I always spill water
Speaker 2: bottles in them.
Speaker 1: Because you have to have pouch. You have to have
Speaker 1: a pouch lifestyle.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: Every person has to have a pouch in it. So
Speaker 1: when you go in, you either take the one pouch
Speaker 1: and transfer it or it's also shaping your bags and
Speaker 1: you're putting your lip glass and stuff, and so it's
Speaker 1: never going to hit the bottom of your nice bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you reach in and you're just like,
Speaker 2: am I about to get im paled by something? Am
Speaker 2: I about to get tetanus? But you don't have to.
Speaker 1: You can pull the pouch out and you don't have
Speaker 1: to deal with the purse. The purse is basically a
Speaker 1: facade for the interior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then I have to have a pouch for
Speaker 2: my pens because one of the pens is going to explode.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a lot of things I need
Speaker 2: to carry with me. And I also feel like I'm
Speaker 2: so psycho now about trying to stay hydrated, and there's
Speaker 2: no water bottle that's not eventually going to unscrew in
Speaker 2: your purse turn upside down. I also, have you done
Speaker 2: this yet?
Speaker 1: Where that's why you need a water purse?
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that a thing?
Speaker 1: I bought them? And yeah, they it's a purse. It's
Speaker 1: a half the size of this bottle, and it's got
Speaker 1: a chain. It basically looks like your bandlair bag and
Speaker 1: you can carry it around.
Speaker 2: Oh like a okay, got it? Like the I don't know,
Speaker 2: we're not saving Private Ryan, Like we're not.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about military with pockets. I've let
Speaker 1: you're on the set of Masks. I've never tried to
Speaker 1: be delighted because you're a guest in my home. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I do not believe you just came. We're not in
Speaker 1: saving price. You are in saving Private Ryan. That thing
Speaker 1: put them on your social media. It's not okay, let's
Speaker 1: start here. Whose baby are you carrying that?
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you, but.
Speaker 1: January Jones, thank you. Do you remember like she was
Speaker 1: she was pregnant and no one knew whose baby it was.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. No, But he's he's wonderful, and I
Speaker 2: just he's not a public person. Yeah, I have three weeks.
Speaker 2: I have three more weeks and then I'm having my
Speaker 2: I'm having my first child.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, it's the best thing.
Speaker 2: I'm terrified of childbirth, but other than that, I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to it. Oh my, did you have when you
Speaker 2: had your daughter? Did you have like a boy name
Speaker 2: and a girl name, because I'm in the market for
Speaker 2: a boy name.
Speaker 1: Yes, but they were both generic and could kind of
Speaker 1: be either. I think in the beginning, well yes, kind of. Well,
Speaker 1: Brent is not couldn't be really necessarily be a boy,
Speaker 1: but Casey was one either. And I think we changed
Speaker 1: her middle name. I think we first had her as
Speaker 1: a different middle name and then change it and had
Speaker 1: to legally change it. I changed my mind and literally
Speaker 1: she already had a legal name change, and I asked you,
Speaker 1: what is that?
Speaker 2: What does that look like? A couple women? I know,
Speaker 2: and it's always women. I really like they go. After
Speaker 2: like two weeks, I realized he wasn't a Solomon, he
Speaker 2: was a market Oh oh.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I know she was always she was going
Speaker 1: to be a Brin. But I think the middle name
Speaker 1: was Alex. And the reason I wanted to change it
Speaker 1: was in case I ever had a boy, and then
Speaker 1: I wanted to save it. It's it's all blurry.
Speaker 2: Now. Look my last name is Cummings. It's a tough pairing,
Speaker 2: it's a tough handle. I wanted to name him Maximus.
Speaker 2: I realized that was not a That's not fair to him.
Speaker 2: He's going to get bullied regardless. But so I feel
Speaker 2: like there's I had a list of fifty girl names
Speaker 2: that I liked, and there's like three guy names at
Speaker 2: this point. It's like Miles Julius Henry, like like, I
Speaker 2: can't that's all I got, But I feel like that's whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, Miles Cummings is a great name, but also it's
Speaker 1: it's speaking to Cummings like Miles, like Miles Miles of
Speaker 1: com Yes, it's good, healthy, it's.
Speaker 2: A lot of com How much come you need to
Speaker 2: get a woman pregnant naturally at forty that's for sure.
Speaker 2: So yeah, didn't even put that together. So now I
Speaker 2: only have two names.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I could be obsessed.
Speaker 2: So by the way, I feel like, anytime I see
Speaker 2: a video of a gender reveal party and it's a girl,
Speaker 2: you always see the oddest reaction of the people. You
Speaker 2: always see the dad be a little bummed when all
Speaker 2: that pink smoke comes out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: He's kind of like, I just paid for a helicopter
Speaker 2: to drop pink smoke on my pool and it's a
Speaker 2: freaking girl, you know. Or if it's a boy, you'll
Speaker 2: see the guy be like, like, you'll see his real reaction.
Speaker 2: I always find the awkward. And you know, three people
Speaker 2: have died in gender reveal parties so far. And three
Speaker 2: people have died, and there's been a like over eight
Speaker 2: hundred acres of forest fires from gender reveal parties. There's
Speaker 2: a really horrifying video of a guy and a plane
Speaker 2: dropping the smoke on the party and the plane just crashes.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's psychotic. I don't these gener reveal parties
Speaker 2: are part they gotta stop.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's you know, for every birth there's
Speaker 1: a death, so I guess it's sort of symbolic there
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 2: But it's also wild because you know, you see people
Speaker 2: You're like, I guess this is for content. I guess
Speaker 2: this is so they can put it on their social media,
Speaker 2: you know. So I think we're lucky. We just get
Speaker 2: to open the fridge and start cooking it too in
Speaker 2: the morning and hit five million views. Not everyone gets
Speaker 2: to do that, Bethany.
Speaker 1: It's true it's true. That reminds me of engagements that
Speaker 1: are always documented by a group of friends.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a nightmare because when I got engaged,
Speaker 2: it didn't end up working out. But when I got engaged,
Speaker 2: he had the photographer hiding in a bush into Penga
Speaker 2: Canyon right like, and Jason Momoa lived across the street
Speaker 2: with Lisa Bonet back when they were together. And so
Speaker 2: the engagement happens. He gets down on one knee, there's
Speaker 2: like a horse, the whole thing. And then I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I wish we had photos of that.
Speaker 2: He's like, we do. I have a photographer and a bush.
Speaker 2: I'm like what And we look over the We go
Speaker 2: over the bush, like he's not here. This is so weird.
Speaker 2: We called the photographer. We finally talked to him. He
Speaker 2: goes Jason Momoa was working out and thought I was
Speaker 2: paparazzi trying to take pictures of him, and I thought
Speaker 2: he was going to kick my ass. So I left.
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to get any of the photos, and
Speaker 2: so can you guys redo it? And I was like what?
Speaker 2: So we had to like fake a new spontaneous proposal,
Speaker 2: and that's what I kind of knew it wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 1: That's very Housewives, it is, that's very house Did you
Speaker 1: get a store credit?
Speaker 2: A store credit for what?
Speaker 1: Did you have to pay? The guy?
Speaker 2: And then oh no, we did and we paid and
Speaker 2: it was like he was scared of Jason Momoa.
Speaker 1: I've never said this in a couple of years. You're
Speaker 1: the first person I would want to do a podcast
Speaker 1: with because we have a lot. I mean, we could
Speaker 1: talk about nothing all day.
Speaker 2: That's what Steinfeld was a show about nothing. Maybe we
Speaker 2: start the podcast about nothing.
Speaker 1: Let's just call this is nothing and this is this
Speaker 1: podcast has no point.
Speaker 2: But we've also kind of covered everything. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: we can out do ourselves. I think we'll do it
Speaker 2: over and over again. I do. I do now, Like
Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting, like the eating disorder stuff. I
Speaker 2: look back now and I can really sort of laugh
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, the phases that I went through,
Speaker 2: and just because that eating disorder is about control. Grew
Speaker 2: up in an alcohlic home. Something I never put together
Speaker 2: is that my mom definitely had an eating disorder. She
Speaker 2: was definitely interarexic. Like when you're young, you don't really
Speaker 2: that doesn't really cross your mind. No. You know, our
Speaker 2: fridge had like two arted chokes. There was cheese and crackers,
Speaker 2: but that was always for the guests, you know, and
Speaker 2: she would eat very little. I always thought it was
Speaker 2: because she was an alcoholic and she wanted the wine
Speaker 2: to hit harder or the wine had calories, so she
Speaker 2: had to kind of pick her calories. But very inorexic.
Speaker 2: I you know, remember she would get compliments she was beautiful,
Speaker 2: and she would always say like someone would say, you
Speaker 2: look great. You go, oh, I have to lose that
Speaker 2: last five pounds. Oh, I gotta get rid of this.
Speaker 2: But she would always say that. And she was tiny, tiny, tiny,
Speaker 2: tiny tiny, and you know it's interesting. She always said,
Speaker 2: you know, my thighs are touching. That was her My
Speaker 2: thighs are touching, like the thighs shouldn't touch. Like that's
Speaker 2: how you know things. She wants her noise that was called.
Speaker 1: That was her noise, like that was her noisy place
Speaker 1: like about her thighs or her thighs.
Speaker 2: She was always like when I walk behind her, she
Speaker 2: was always touching her butt, touching her. She would kind
Speaker 2: of squeeze her sell you know, kind of like looking back,
Speaker 2: I guess my psyche just couldn't process it at the time.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, too dark. And and then so
Speaker 2: for me, I think it was it was more contray.
Speaker 2: I did model young, like you know, for money in
Speaker 2: high school and college, but I was before that, like
Speaker 2: it wasn't I can't blame Vogue or Kate Moss or
Speaker 2: any of that. I think, you know, when you grew
Speaker 2: up an alcoholic home, you have such a little control. There's
Speaker 2: so much chaos going on. And my dad did was
Speaker 2: very kind of a lothario. He did like skinny, tiny women.
Speaker 2: I think I just learned tiny you have to just
Speaker 2: be tiny, and I'm not a tiny person in the slightest.
Speaker 2: So by I went twelve or thirteen earlier than that,
Speaker 2: I was binging, though I would say it started with overeating,
Speaker 2: eating it two entire boxes of cereal, a whole thing
Speaker 2: of Weaver Chicken McNuggets, Like I was overweight and would
Speaker 2: binge first because you know, there weren't people around. I
Speaker 2: think that's how I got love. I think that's how
Speaker 2: I isolated. Like I would eat so much that it
Speaker 2: would kind of incapacitate me, so I would have an
Speaker 2: excuse for why I didn't have more friends. I'd be like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: even if they did ask me to hang out, I could.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of similarities. So what age of
Speaker 1: these memories mostly shining through thirteen fourteen? I'm feeling it
Speaker 1: sounds like that, right.
Speaker 2: The binging on cereal, like the cocoa pebbles rudy. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember like I would have like cuts in my
Speaker 2: mouth because I couldn't wait for the milk to soften.
Speaker 2: The apple jacks, you know that was earlier, That was
Speaker 2: probably seven eighty nine. Yeah, yeah, I remember like eating
Speaker 2: Captain crunch, that peanut butter Captain crunch, just like like inhaling.
Speaker 1: It anxiety eating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was panicating anxiety eating. Also, we
Speaker 2: didn't sit around the table. My parents had gone through
Speaker 2: a divorce, Like there was no structure, Like I bless
Speaker 2: my mom's hard for working we had. Our moms were
Speaker 2: the first generation that were working. You know what same,
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to you know, cook for me whatever.
Speaker 2: But I do think I was very addicted to sugar.
Speaker 2: I was addicted to the shame of it. I was
Speaker 2: addicted to isolating with it. And then but that's.
Speaker 1: Not an age that you even know about eating disorders
Speaker 1: or that somebody's overweight or not. You're just living your
Speaker 1: own life, you don't. You can't attach emotion to the food.
Speaker 1: You're just that's what you're I've seen this in other kids.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying that.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because I would go back and forth
Speaker 2: for my not that getting a divorce is always unhealthy,
Speaker 2: you know, but going for my mom's house to my
Speaker 2: dad's house. My mom's refrigerator was artichokes and you know,
Speaker 2: bubbly water and diet coke, and then my dad's was
Speaker 2: just cereal and trash, you know. So by the time
Speaker 2: I went to his house, I was just like so hungry,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I kind of really binging and purging.
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. So then I go to my mom's
Speaker 2: house and I would starve and she'd be like, how
Speaker 2: did you know? And so then by the time I
Speaker 2: was a teenager, full blown rice cakes apples would go
Speaker 2: for three hour runs like that.
Speaker 1: What's a teenager? What age you're saying fourteen or sixteen?
Speaker 2: By fourteen, but I would say by fourteen, I was
Speaker 2: I guess that would just be anorexic I guess you
Speaker 2: would just say anorexic, like severely restricting. But I would
Speaker 2: eat a lot of low calorie foods, like a huge amount.
Speaker 2: It was like apples, rice cakes, fat free yogurt. I'd
Speaker 2: eat like the whole thing of rice cakes, a whole
Speaker 2: like five or six out, and then I would go
Speaker 2: for you know, like a two or three hour run my.
Speaker 1: House growing up, I think I was my daughter's age,
Speaker 1: like thirteen, and I remember my mother had a cart
Speaker 1: of laxatives. I remember it like it was yesterday, like
Speaker 1: a plastic white with the drawers, and it was I
Speaker 1: didn't understand what it was. It was like I thought
Speaker 1: she just couldn't go. And then we'd be in the
Speaker 1: car and she drink a lot of coffee and they'd
Speaker 1: have to stop and like so this was and there
Speaker 1: was like the bacon cheeseburgers dripping and raw and drenched
Speaker 1: salads because she was binging and purging and it was
Speaker 1: and there was a very like an anxiety in the house,
Speaker 1: like because she'd have to like take a long time
Speaker 1: in the bathroom after meals. And so this was all
Speaker 1: this like secrecy and hidden stuff going on in my household.
Speaker 1: So that was like noisy and her method because you
Speaker 1: didn't talk about how your mom treated you about your body.
Speaker 1: Because my mother would say that, like tempora at the
Speaker 1: Japanese restaurant isn't fattening because of the way that they
Speaker 1: fry the oil the Japanese, so like she would kind
Speaker 1: of what I would be eating a lot, and then
Speaker 1: I was struggling with my weight, and I would read
Speaker 1: all those magazines that had like half a cantalope. You know,
Speaker 1: there was one called the Flight Attendants Diet every week
Speaker 1: and those magazines would be a new page. You'd want
Speaker 1: to rip it out, try it for two days, but
Speaker 1: it was sort of secret, and you were going to
Speaker 1: school and listening to what other people are saying. So
Speaker 1: for people of teens, it happens quickly. Like my daughter's thirteen,
Speaker 1: and I've never mentioned a thing in all these years
Speaker 1: about weight or you know, I don't like anyone around
Speaker 1: talking about, oh I have to lose weight, or I
Speaker 1: don't look good in these ps like there's zero. But
Speaker 1: you can't control what goes on at school. So that's
Speaker 1: why I'm relating to you on a different side of
Speaker 1: the coin, but like the same time of your life,
Speaker 1: of a girl's life.
Speaker 2: I remember because there would be I it's just funny,
Speaker 2: and I don't mean to laugh because at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, these people were struggling. But like a diet
Speaker 2: was like cottage cheese and truscits, you know, like that
Speaker 2: was like supposedly low fat, and you like think about
Speaker 2: it now and you're like, well, that's like a cheap day,
Speaker 2: you know, like got in there or whatever. But I
Speaker 2: remember that's what I would bring to school because that
Speaker 2: when my mom made me lunch, that's like all she
Speaker 2: I saw. I was like the weirdo at school who
Speaker 2: had like triscuts and cottage cheese. Like I had the
Speaker 2: lunch bag that was just like wet and just like
Speaker 2: like it was a My mom worked a Bloomingdale, so
Speaker 2: it was a little brown bag like I always had,
Speaker 2: like a blooming sales bag. You know. It was just
Speaker 2: so weird. And another thing that you made me think of.
Speaker 2: I remember one time finding dex a trim. Do you
Speaker 2: remember that. I don't. It was, of course, quote weight
Speaker 2: loss pill. It was I think probably just a lot
Speaker 2: of caffeine. And I remember I used to sneak that
Speaker 2: and try to take that. But I would find like
Speaker 2: weird sketchy diet pills.
Speaker 1: That probably that's one thing that's better about now. It's different.
Speaker 1: People are obsessed with intimontent fasting and juicing and cleansing.
Speaker 1: And it was epic back then, you're right, Like there
Speaker 1: was was a diet that said like one hot dog,
Speaker 1: one half a cup of coffee, and then you could
Speaker 1: have one scoop of an l ice cream. Like it
Speaker 1: was all random and it was very Scarsdale diet, Akins diet.
Speaker 1: Like every week there a new thing that you'd grip onto.
Speaker 1: The slim fast bars came out.
Speaker 2: There was one that was like steak and wine exactly,
Speaker 2: the kind of thing which I think I'm kind of
Speaker 2: into that one. Remember. But like also we were all
Speaker 2: a little off, you know, like remember the food pyramid
Speaker 2: when we were like si, it was like the whole
Speaker 2: bottom was like loaves of bread, like French bread, potatoes,
Speaker 2: like a big pile of beans. Like it was just
Speaker 2: like the psycho.
Speaker 1: And measuring measuring. They wanted to get to measure your food.
Speaker 1: It was so noisy to begin with, you're starting off,
Speaker 1: you know the food pyramid was totally insustainable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was just I mean, you know, and
Speaker 2: I think everyone's bodies are different, you know whatever. But
Speaker 2: but so then by the time I get to high school,
Speaker 2: I'm full blown. It's just about being as skinny as possible.
Speaker 2: It's just about being as skinny as possible. And something
Speaker 2: I will say that is, you know, you know when
Speaker 2: people struggle with uh, severe in orexia or severe over
Speaker 2: eating stuff, being really really heavy. I've learned a lot
Speaker 2: about how there's some childhood sexual abuse sometimes involved in that,
Speaker 2: so you know, it's about sort of making yourself either
Speaker 2: unappealing or not feminine or not sexually attractive, or protecting
Speaker 2: yourself by being heavy and stuff. So I feel like
Speaker 2: I always need to kind of say that the same
Speaker 2: I was reading something about people to get a lot
Speaker 2: of plastic surgery sometimes and get super dysomorphic that they're
Speaker 2: trying to change the face of the change the person
Speaker 2: that was molested or something. So's, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of like other stuff in here. And we absolutely had
Speaker 2: some you know, inappropriate stuff going on in you know
Speaker 2: for me as a child too, So I don't know
Speaker 2: what was what.
Speaker 1: You're talking about. Sexual stuff, yeah, sexual same like me too.
Speaker 1: You remember things and your mind plays tricks on you,
Speaker 1: but you like the father's friend might and you think,
Speaker 1: like you remember the moment too clearly about a couple
Speaker 1: of people, but like you just dealt with it, and
Speaker 1: you almost feel like fraudulent if you came out and
Speaker 1: talked about it specifically, because if feels hazy, but you
Speaker 1: know it's true, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I know a couple situations that were absolutely true.
Speaker 2: I think I was confused for a while because one
Speaker 2: of them was a woman. Oh and you know, well
Speaker 2: back in the day, we didn't babysitters, didn't get them
Speaker 2: off apps where they were vetted. It was just like like,
Speaker 2: does anyone on the street have a thirteen year old son?
Speaker 2: Like that was your babysitter back then.
Speaker 1: Totally, totally, totally, totally I was physically abused by a
Speaker 1: babysitter too, That's totally true. Anyone could smack anyone could
Speaker 1: could smack you. Anyone could be you know, what's it
Speaker 1: called spank you.
Speaker 2: Oh. I would go to friend's houses. I would get
Speaker 2: I mean literally against a wall with a ruler by
Speaker 2: someone else's.
Speaker 1: Dad exactly, which doesn't happen at your own house exactly.
Speaker 2: You can't you can't even find that on porn Hub,
Speaker 2: but they even take that down, you know, So it
Speaker 2: was you know, so there is some of that. I
Speaker 2: have no reason to have needed to be that skinny,
Speaker 2: you know, so there was obviously something else going on.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, you know. It made people kind of I've
Speaker 2: talked to people, and that I went to high school with.
Speaker 2: It made people kind of like scared to talk to me.
Speaker 2: And maybe I liked that in a way because I
Speaker 2: was really awkward socially and I was very a loner
Speaker 2: kind of and maybe I like I never went to
Speaker 2: lunch and sat with the popular girls. I went eight
Speaker 2: raisins in my car, you know, shit like that, insular, isolated,
Speaker 2: and then by the time I got to college, it
Speaker 2: just was weird. Like it was like I would take
Speaker 2: these Swiss miss powdered hot chocolate. I would buy like
Speaker 2: five or six boxes at the grocery store, pour them
Speaker 2: in a bowl, put water, and then the ones that
Speaker 2: only had twenty calories and mix them up, put it
Speaker 2: in the microwave and turn like turn them into like
Speaker 2: a cake. Wow.
Speaker 1: You know what it sounds though, like you were obsessive
Speaker 1: because I relate to that too, So you needed like
Speaker 1: a new project, like, oh, this is the diet. I'm
Speaker 1: only eating one rice cake, two apples, like a weird formula.
Speaker 1: It becomes your own. I don't know if you're like
Speaker 1: that now. I still am. But in organizing and like
Speaker 1: getting rid of things and nothing extra, it's obsessive and
Speaker 1: it's a problem.
Speaker 2: You're safe food. So it's like if someone was like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you want you know, acado and this avocado toast
Speaker 2: that probably has less calories and less fat. It's just
Speaker 2: it's not I know how this ends. I know how
Speaker 2: this works. I have you know. By the time I,
Speaker 2: you know, got to La, it was it was turkey
Speaker 2: jerky and maple syrup, just weird.
Speaker 1: And then I went through loud those were allowed, like popcorn,
Speaker 1: you were allowed, but others are forbidden foods.
Speaker 2: Yes, then it was it was carrots and ketchup carrots
Speaker 2: and barbecue sauce. Like it just was condiments, you know,
Speaker 2: like weird condiments shit like that, but stuff that ultimately
Speaker 2: I think made me need to hide because it was embarrassing. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was never something socially accepted and something that made
Speaker 2: me feel some shame afterwards, you know. So it was
Speaker 2: just bizarre. I definitely went through those seaweed things. I'll
Speaker 2: see you eatn those seaweed things, but the withsabi seaweed sheets.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's new, like how how has your how
Speaker 1: has this manifested? As a woman in Hollywood? And then
Speaker 1: as a pregnant woman.
Speaker 2: I got to the point, there's a couple of things.
Speaker 2: I went to a program called ACA Adult Children of
Speaker 2: Alcoholics that is about growing up an alcoholic home and
Speaker 2: all the sort of maladaptive behaviors that you get very
Speaker 2: honestly in order to survive as a child. They serve
Speaker 2: you very well, you know, the people pleasing, the mothering, Martyring, micromanaging,
Speaker 2: self depriving, control, addiction, perfectionism, addiction, the overachieving thing. And
Speaker 2: then went to that program was a total miracle, really
Speaker 2: helped me. You know, you do these like inner child
Speaker 2: exercises of like you treat yourself. You treat yourself the
Speaker 2: way you would treat a five year old child. That
Speaker 2: kind of sounds dorky. You write her letters, you know,
Speaker 2: you write the question about what do you want to
Speaker 2: eat today? And your right hand you respond as her
Speaker 2: in your non dominant hand, and she'll say, like peanut butter,
Speaker 2: and jelly, and you go, well, that's all reading for lunch.
Speaker 2: And I also got sick of wasting so much time.
Speaker 2: I did read this book called The Tools I Phil
Speaker 2: Stutts and Barry Michaels. Phil Stutts is like the biggest
Speaker 2: like therapist you know out here, And there's this exercise
Speaker 2: called the deathbed exercise. It just resonated with me. It'd
Speaker 2: be like, you imagine yourself on your deathbed and you
Speaker 2: picture all the things you're going to be, like annoyed
Speaker 2: you wasted time on. And I remember being I remember
Speaker 2: being with Busy Phillips. I'm sure you know Busy. We
Speaker 2: were like working on something and she was like, if
Speaker 2: I'm on my deathbed, going like I can't believe how
Speaker 2: much time I wasted thinking about calories and food, and
Speaker 2: I went, that is going to be me, like just
Speaker 2: the how many was that? And what am I gonna
Speaker 2: eat next? And what did I eat today? Now I
Speaker 2: have to go on a walk, and like I didn't
Speaker 2: have a personal it's a full time job, and I'd
Speaker 2: be like, I feel like I'd be the most successful
Speaker 2: person in Hollywood if I just took the energy I
Speaker 2: spend on like driving around the city, getting that one
Speaker 2: protein bar that's the safe protein bar this month.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and just to meet with organizing, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, like that's going to be with organizing.
Speaker 2: Have you ever hired someone to come in and do
Speaker 2: it for you or you won't?
Speaker 1: I could do it for them.
Speaker 2: I there is. Though, do you ever play like like
Speaker 2: Tetris or any of those games? I started going back
Speaker 2: to playing old games. It's like the symmetry of the
Speaker 2: Tea and Tetris, Like don't you know that video game?
Speaker 2: Remember those things are falling. It's very soothing to organize
Speaker 2: and put things in their place and know where they are.
Speaker 2: But that's back man.
Speaker 1: I was always obsessed with misspac Man and it's very satisfying,
Speaker 1: and it's very much like that. And the thing is, I,
Speaker 1: because of the crazy amount that I have going on
Speaker 1: in my life, the being organized is also critical. So
Speaker 1: it's like you have to be in a relationship with it,
Speaker 1: that's right. So I have to be in a relationship
Speaker 1: with being organized because I couldn't do all that I
Speaker 1: do without it. So it's not like it's not like
Speaker 1: pulling me down. It's actually great, but it's something I
Speaker 1: can't and I can't even when I talk to my
Speaker 1: therapist about it, it cannot It can be improved, but
Speaker 1: it cannot be intervened. It can't be. It's never gonna
Speaker 1: I will go on to my deathbeds still being organized.
Speaker 1: Like I'll have my coffin, We'll have labels inside of it.
Speaker 2: Can I Is that bad?
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know, right, It's like work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people people who get mixed up their coffins get
Speaker 2: mixed up all the time. That's a real thing. You're
Speaker 2: looking at my podcast studio, which is like the Pee
Speaker 2: Wee's playhouse, like chaos. And I'm the same with organizing, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think we should have to
Speaker 2: overpathologize everything about ourselves, like because number one, it's also
Speaker 2: just like a hobby. People like, oh my god, you're
Speaker 2: going to recopy the labels again.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's Look, it's fiddling. I call it fiddling.
Speaker 1: And it's true. People guard and they want to fuck
Speaker 1: around their guarden. It's fiddling. And I like it too.
Speaker 1: So that's a great point.
Speaker 2: I found a new system. There's a new system. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like the fact that we're still on
Speaker 2: metric or whatever and everywhere, like we should update new
Speaker 2: systems if they're not like because I went through it organizing.
Speaker 2: I went through the wicker baskets with the and then
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't see my shit. So then I
Speaker 2: ran through the plexiglass bag. I'm like, this is better.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, wait, now there's a version with drawers
Speaker 2: like I. Now I'm getting those like I.
Speaker 1: It's fun, it's like gambling. It's entertainment too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's also like home decore too, you know.
Speaker 2: It's also there is a I think it's really important,
Speaker 2: especially because I think people like us we always want
Speaker 2: to grow and we want to change. And I'll look
Speaker 2: at things that I'm like, that's okay. The I do
Speaker 2: have a wrapping paper closet.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do too. I have I have
Speaker 1: a room. I have like a candy speck amazing.
Speaker 2: But like I was pathologically thoughtful. That's an ACA thing
Speaker 2: for a while. And I gave too many gifts for
Speaker 2: a long time because I didn't think I was enough.
Speaker 2: And I had the whole like shelf of dipty candles
Speaker 2: just in case someone came over.
Speaker 1: When I tell you I have a gift, life. I
Speaker 1: have to I started on Halloween. You have to say,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, Like I have a gift obsession.
Speaker 2: Me too, and I think I love it.
Speaker 1: Though I love it, it makes me. I live for it.
Speaker 2: It's how we show love. And to me, I feel
Speaker 2: like because everyone always thinks I'm being sarcastic, it's hard
Speaker 2: for me to be genuine with people when I'm like,
Speaker 2: I love you, You're such a good friend, or I
Speaker 2: have to make a joke or people assume it. So
Speaker 2: I really like giving gifts because it's like there, it's
Speaker 2: and also like you know, it's a nightmare out there,
Speaker 2: and like a sixty eighty dollars candle. No one should
Speaker 2: ever buy that for themselves, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's systematic too though, but it also is satisfying,
Speaker 1: like it costs money, you spent, you send it out,
Speaker 1: you wrap it, you send it emphedes, it looks good.
Speaker 1: They get it. I I live for it. I do
Speaker 1: it all year round.
Speaker 2: It it makes me feel My goal in life was
Speaker 2: always to be Santa Claus. I saw Santa Claus at
Speaker 2: the mall and when I want to be that guy,
Speaker 2: so but then I go, okay, it can't be an
Speaker 2: entire thing. I don't. I'm not as successful as you.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, I need to take this down
Speaker 2: a little bit because this is a little bit of
Speaker 2: a vestige. When I had way too low self esteem
Speaker 2: and I thought I had to send a thank you
Speaker 2: card after I got a thank you card, so let
Speaker 2: me take So I think that updating our organization is
Speaker 2: also a way of showing our growth, you know. And
Speaker 2: so like I had this whole thing of the press
Speaker 2: on nails section, I'm like, I don't really do that anymore.
Speaker 2: I used to be super obsessive about my nails and
Speaker 2: then I can't get anything done and then one breaks
Speaker 2: and that's all I'm thinking about. I was like, that
Speaker 2: became a weird sick addiction and obsession and perfectionism, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because that's my circular reference. You have to go
Speaker 1: get the manicure again and get it filled in, and
Speaker 1: then you have to it's.
Speaker 2: Me, So let me. I need to reorganize this because
Speaker 2: this is actually a negative contribution to my future self.
Speaker 2: So when I upgrade something mentally to get healthier, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have so it's not unhealthy to go. I need
Speaker 2: to organize this again. You know, it's not pathological, it's
Speaker 2: just that I we're not here, We're not in this
Speaker 2: place anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, everything doesn't have to be healthy. You could eat
Speaker 1: Cheetos and you don't have to go to jail. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's like not healthy, but like you're some TV shows
Speaker 1: aren't healthy, but you're doing it. It's like it's not
Speaker 1: a guilty pleasure, but it's something that you're doing it over.
Speaker 1: Being overly healthy is also unhealthy.
Speaker 2: Do you know about Barbara's Cheese Puffs, Barbara's.
Speaker 1: Barbara the health brand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have cheese yes that are that are like Cheetos.
Speaker 2: They're delicious.
Speaker 1: And I think all that, I think all that Calieflower too.
Speaker 1: It's that that hippies respectfully to it's got it's a scam.
Speaker 1: It's a scam.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Just eat the real thing.
Speaker 2: H Barber's cheese puffs. What is it made of? Because
Speaker 2: I just ordered a bunch of them, I don't know
Speaker 2: that If it's cauliflower though.
Speaker 1: No I know, But I'm just saying, like if you
Speaker 1: look at a Freedo, there are three ingredients corn oil, salt,
Speaker 1: so like that's it.
Speaker 2: This is cornmeal, age, cheddar, pasteurized milk. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 2: with you. Like the the cauliflower rice and the collie
Speaker 2: all that shit. I'm like, I'm just gonna be hungry
Speaker 2: in five minutes.
Speaker 1: And it's also mixing together a bunch of other shit,
Speaker 1: which is a different process. So that's what I think
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: So the alcohol in your house, because I grew up
Speaker 1: also with a mother who was an alcoholic, and there
Speaker 1: are different styles. I remember each drink, like the special
Speaker 1: drink phases, like what the drink order would be. But
Speaker 1: there are different styles. Some people they call it French type,
Speaker 1: or they're just always having a drink and then into
Speaker 1: the late night drinking. But it's not like a fifth
Speaker 1: of vodka in the toilet holder behind you and the
Speaker 1: person's like blackout. It's just like always sort of marinated.
Speaker 1: That was my house with combined with the cigarettes and
Speaker 1: the bolima. What was your style in your house of
Speaker 1: your mom like embarrassing or like what was it?
Speaker 2: I love? I love this question, And first I'll say
Speaker 2: it helped me to hear in order for alcoholism to
Speaker 2: be present, alcohol doesn't have to be present, and that's
Speaker 2: not just because alcohol is being hidden or whatever. But
Speaker 2: there's other forms of isms, you know, compulsive behaviors and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So if someone's listening and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: my life was chaotic as a kid, and I sort
Speaker 2: of understand all this, but I never saw alcohol like
Speaker 2: I was kind of the same way. You know, my
Speaker 2: mom was a socialite. She was you know, worked at
Speaker 2: apartment stores, and she always had like a glass of
Speaker 2: white wine. It was like it was the white wine spritzer.
Speaker 2: It was always like a spritzer, like it.
Speaker 1: Died in a while. Being an alcoholic is hard.
Speaker 2: Well. The ordering was always too apologetic, Like I look
Speaker 2: back now, and it was like looking at the menu
Speaker 2: like I would do this when I had eating disorders
Speaker 2: and I was out with people, and I would go like, ah,
Speaker 2: should I get? I would pretend I was being rushed,
Speaker 2: you know, or couldn't make a decision. I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: should I get the burger? Should I get the spaghetti?
Speaker 2: Or you know what, I'll just have the caesar salad,
Speaker 2: no dressing.
Speaker 1: That's a throwaway comment.
Speaker 2: There was like a performance to it to try to
Speaker 2: convince people that I would have ordered the spaghetti or
Speaker 2: the hamburger, but like I'll just do Caesar salad dressing
Speaker 2: on the side.
Speaker 1: I'll just have some of your triggering. Wow.
Speaker 2: That is sar wow.
Speaker 1: No, it's very honest, and most people with eating disorders
Speaker 1: don't want to give it up because then they can't
Speaker 1: go back to it because everybody knows, like once you
Speaker 1: say it, you're saying it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: If you ever have a little of that behavior, it's
Speaker 1: so exposed.
Speaker 2: But also like I mean, maybe it's just because I've
Speaker 2: gone through it. Like when I see someone doing it,
Speaker 2: I'm I now I'm embarrassed because I'm like, I can't
Speaker 2: believe I thought I was pulling that off. Like I
Speaker 2: can't believe I thought that people were so dumb. I mean,
Speaker 2: if there's a lot of people, you can kind of
Speaker 2: get away with it, like you know I would because
Speaker 2: my mom I always watched her if she got vegetables
Speaker 2: like sauteed vegetables, if she couldn't get them steamed, she
Speaker 2: would pat it with a napkin to get all the
Speaker 2: oil off, which we now know. Like and then as
Speaker 2: an adult, I would kind of like accidentally drop well,
Speaker 2: when I was twenty four twenty five, I would accidentally
Speaker 2: drop my napkin on like a Greasy's vegetables and be like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, like shit like that, like shit like that,
Speaker 2: so that I didn't look, you know, like I wouldn't
Speaker 2: eat fat, you know. But I'm also I'm in LA.
Speaker 2: Everyone does shit like that, but I'm still doing this
Speaker 2: rigormarole performance to try and eat in front of people.
Speaker 2: I would sit in my car and pretend I was
Speaker 2: running late or whatever. I mean, I'd probably already eat
Speaker 2: in like twelve protein bars, you know kind of thing.
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm sorry, I'm late. It's fine. I'll just
Speaker 2: get like a side of something, you know, in and out.
Speaker 1: Wow. And what about now, though, how's your relationship to this?
Speaker 1: Pregnant is another layer.
Speaker 2: Pregnant's been like, it's amazingly healing because your body's like
Speaker 2: this is where you're eating today, And I'm not just
Speaker 2: eating for an inner child that's metaphor, it's an actual
Speaker 2: inner child. So again, the twelve step program of ACA
Speaker 2: really helped me with my eating stuff. I started eating
Speaker 2: to live and living to eat all that inner child work,
Speaker 2: you know. I just the dysmorphia really lifted around then,
Speaker 2: especially when I started working a lot and going like, oh,
Speaker 2: I started loving something more than hating myself, which was
Speaker 2: stand up and performing and touring. And I just I realized,
Speaker 2: I have all these big goals. I can't possibly accomplish
Speaker 2: them if I'm always distracted by food. I'm hungry. I'm
Speaker 2: in a catatonic yugur coma. I met go to the
Speaker 2: gym three times a day, going for walks four times
Speaker 2: a day, counting calor. I just was like, I had
Speaker 2: something shifted.
Speaker 1: How old were you? Because something usually shifts. You remember
Speaker 1: one weird thing that happened.
Speaker 2: Around twenty six. I went into ACA and that's where
Speaker 2: I started really helping, and I got a stand up
Speaker 2: special and I was like, I am not going to
Speaker 2: screw this up because I'm thinking about food. I am
Speaker 2: not going to I am not going to screw this
Speaker 2: up because I've drank five diet sun kiss today and
Speaker 2: not had any protein. This is it? Like this is it?
Speaker 2: You know? And also like I was like, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're in hair and makeup and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and I was like going bald. I was like my
Speaker 2: hair was falling out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had disordered relationship to food. I never threw
Speaker 1: threw up. I can't stand throwing up. I never I
Speaker 1: used to binge when I would go out and I
Speaker 1: would drink a lot, and I'd come home and binge,
Speaker 1: and then I'd go on some sort of juice cleanser
Speaker 1: fast for the next couple of days. But in my
Speaker 1: late thirties, I remember I was going to Italy, and
Speaker 1: every time I had ever gone away to a trip
Speaker 1: like that, I had always like gotten the anti pasta
Speaker 1: or all the vegetables. Those were legal, even if they
Speaker 1: were in ten pounds of oil. Like for me, those
Speaker 1: were legal, Like you talk about your stuff, and I
Speaker 1: would never touch the pasta or the payea, and then
Speaker 1: I would binge on it and get swollen and like
Speaker 1: it was just like a bad ride. And I vowed
Speaker 1: that I was going to Italy and I was going
Speaker 1: to have everything. And that was when it became like
Speaker 1: small full fat cappuccino, not torturing someone because they don't
Speaker 1: have skim milk, or like small gelato, and like that's
Speaker 1: how the book Naturally Thin came to be, because it
Speaker 1: became like your quote unquote diet, which is the worst word,
Speaker 1: is a bank account, like you just if you have
Speaker 1: a little of this, don't have that. If you're having wine,
Speaker 1: don't have bread. If you're having bread, don't have dessert.
Speaker 1: And it became like have a small pasta and it
Speaker 1: became so balanced and it changed my life. It just
Speaker 1: sort of evolved, and it wasn't noisy, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: ever a disorder. Really it would be moments of binging
Speaker 1: and moments of discomfort, but it did run my life
Speaker 1: like you were saying, it was noisy. But then one day,
Speaker 1: just like listed because of being just a normal human being, and.
Speaker 2: You're making me realize, like how I did this movie
Speaker 2: where that was in England, the one that I was
Speaker 2: on with Busy Phillips. It was called Mate of Honor.
Speaker 2: And I didn't have all my control foods. I couldn't
Speaker 2: go to Pink Dot on Sunset and get my Lberto
Speaker 2: Turkey jerky. I couldn't, you know. And it was this
Speaker 2: Aquen movies had these big budgets. It was this big
Speaker 2: romantic comedy. Patrick Dumpsy was huge at the time. And
Speaker 2: I really wanted to be friends with Busy Phillips and
Speaker 2: she wanted to go to Whole Foods and get a thing,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to get exactly what she was getting
Speaker 2: so that she, you know, would think I was cool
Speaker 2: or whatever, and I just to fit in on that
Speaker 2: set and to not look crazy. And also because I
Speaker 2: wasn't able to get the swissness cocoa bullshit nonsense that
Speaker 2: I was getting here. I was eating you know it
Speaker 2: with some bread with hummus, and then I was I
Speaker 2: was eating I don't want to say normal, but I
Speaker 2: was eating. I would go to Whole Foods and we'd
Speaker 2: get the kale and eggs and egg salad, and you.
Speaker 1: Were a person, actually normal person.
Speaker 2: I actually started losing weight. I was like, wait a second.
Speaker 2: All these things that I because I would drink like
Speaker 2: three ice blendid the day, I'd have like, you know,
Speaker 2: these smoothies. I'd have like Hershey chocolate shirt. Like I
Speaker 2: was eating high sugar and like I wasn't even good
Speaker 2: at being antirexit because it was like very hot. I
Speaker 2: was eating these protein bars. It was like tiger milk bars,
Speaker 2: like those are basically snickers. Now, you know.
Speaker 1: I did the same thing at the Big Chill and West.
Speaker 1: I used to go get the large chill also and
Speaker 1: a container of brown rice from the Chinese place, and
Speaker 1: I'd eat the whole big container and a giant yogurt
Speaker 1: like versus just having a small something normal now like
Speaker 1: ice cream, It's.
Speaker 2: Okay, exactly, just have like a chicken sandwich and it's
Speaker 2: going to actually be less, less calories and less sugar.
Speaker 2: So so because remember back in the day, remember like
Speaker 2: snack wells, like all all that shit. You know, it
Speaker 2: was like low fat, high fat, low sugar is actually
Speaker 2: you know, way better. So I stopped eating so much
Speaker 2: trash process free. I was anista. Yep, I was interacting,
Speaker 2: probably eating four thousand calories a day. I think it existent.
Speaker 1: It was, I really really get it. Wow. Okay, So
Speaker 1: more importantly is you put on lotion in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night when you go to pee. Have you
Speaker 1: you what's the wiping and the lotion? You're putting your
Speaker 1: hands on your face. You just sat down to pee.
Speaker 1: You haven't yet wiped.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what's weird? I don't. Oh gosh, I
Speaker 2: never even thought about so no I do. In the
Speaker 2: middle of the night, I reapplied grape seed oil to
Speaker 2: my face because I mean, you probably sleep with a
Speaker 2: silk pillowcase.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh really, the silk pillowcase really helps because what happens is,
Speaker 2: I mean I've just found you know that you get
Speaker 2: all these amazing products, and you know, I do the
Speaker 2: derma rolling, which is like the roller that puts like
Speaker 2: the tiny micro needling in your face, and then I'll
Speaker 2: put the product. Then I'll put the product on, and
Speaker 2: then I you lay down and then you put your
Speaker 2: face on your cotton pillow and it just absorbs all
Speaker 2: of your product and all the leaches, all the oils
Speaker 2: in your face and then for eight hours you're just
Speaker 2: lying there. So I grew up half like on a farm,
Speaker 2: and I just treat my skin the way that we
Speaker 2: used to treat saddles, which is you never leave them
Speaker 2: wet ever ever ever, you never let them out in
Speaker 2: the sun, and you oil them every day like the
Speaker 2: way because our faith is basically leather, you know, So
Speaker 2: to me, I.
Speaker 1: Never your face feeder.
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta It's like, this is what OCD
Speaker 2: OCD really works for you. So when I get up
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, you know, I've got
Speaker 2: my grape seed oil and I sit on the toilet,
Speaker 2: put on the grape seed oil and then white. So
Speaker 2: I guess it is technically somewhat hygienic. I have my
Speaker 2: grape seed oil pump right by my toilet in my bedroom.
Speaker 1: So for me, there are many roads to roam. And
Speaker 1: the micro needling thing, I never really trust that I
Speaker 1: can do it right and I don't want to overdo it.
Speaker 1: And people say you can break capillaries. For me, that's
Speaker 1: just like a good exfoliation. So then the products absorb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can do that, so I do. It's
Speaker 2: just the role.
Speaker 1: But is that is that a fancy one? Oh it's not,
Speaker 1: you said micro needle.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, derma roll. It's little tread. It's got
Speaker 2: these tiny micro needles in them. But it's not like
Speaker 2: going to a facialist and doing I don't get facials.
Speaker 2: I don't go to patrol. They I get bored and
Speaker 2: they I always break out after.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't understand what a creepy vintage holy water
Speaker 1: bottle is that you that you collect?
Speaker 2: I just love.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make you walk again. But this
Speaker 1: is the baby is gonna come. If you give birth
Speaker 1: on the baby, do you know how big the downloads
Speaker 1: will be?
Speaker 2: I mean, let's start crowning. I like vintage apocket theory
Speaker 2: bottles this is, says mammary substance. I guess just want
Speaker 2: umor in it. I just I just I like them.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I come from descend from witches.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you what do you collect?
Speaker 1: Do you have any I collect watches, I collect, okay,
Speaker 1: back certain bags, and I'm trying to think of what else.
Speaker 2: I'm not there yet. Is there anything just odd that
Speaker 2: you collect? Anything like it's gonna come to me chocho.
Speaker 1: I do like I don't collect them, but I like
Speaker 1: snow globes. I have a decent I like certain snow globes.
Speaker 1: We have to be very very nice ones. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to think.
Speaker 2: I do like things I don't like you have like
Speaker 2: the New York on Madison Avenue snow globe kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: I just think it's something that you can take a
Speaker 1: memory with you and if you don't buy the really
Speaker 1: cheapot ones, but sometimes the cheapo ones are fun too.
Speaker 1: It is a good memory. And I put them in
Speaker 1: different places throughout the house so it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: I'm hoarding them, but so I make them sort of decorative. Also,
Speaker 1: I do like snow globes. I always have it and
Speaker 1: it's more in now like it came back. But I
Speaker 1: have always liked it.
Speaker 2: I like, I like chotchkes, and I don't have them
Speaker 2: in my house is very austere for the most part,
Speaker 2: but in here. So I did find these holy water
Speaker 2: bottles on Etsy, like I love like flea markets, and
Speaker 2: so I did collect these like holy water bottles that
Speaker 2: were really beautiful. And I think it got online yet
Speaker 2: because I gave it to Kesha.
Speaker 1: She and oh wow, okay, well that's good.
Speaker 2: She needed it.
Speaker 1: And you carry a hammer in the car in case
Speaker 1: you ever see a dog or baby hopefully trapped in
Speaker 1: a car. You mentioned a dog, but let's add baby.
Speaker 2: Let's add baby.
Speaker 1: Have you ever used it? Says it ever happened?
Speaker 2: I have? I have, and it was very, very embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Well one time, okay, so I've had to do in
Speaker 2: grocery stores a couple of times.
Speaker 1: You can't do it in grocery stores.
Speaker 2: You need to sorry in the in the parking lot
Speaker 2: of a grocery store. Usually you can go in and do, hey,
Speaker 2: can you make an announcement and say, whoever has the
Speaker 2: blue Toyota Corolla. You need to come out here and
Speaker 2: get your dog. Like usually in LA you can you
Speaker 2: know do that first, but a law has been passed
Speaker 2: now that it is illegal, so now I can just
Speaker 2: you know do it. One time I did it outside
Speaker 2: of these twelve step meetings, and I smashed this window
Speaker 2: to get the dog out, and it's like a it's
Speaker 2: like a hammer, but it also has like a glass
Speaker 2: cutter on the side as well. It's worth it. The
Speaker 2: woman have in their car anyway. And I stormed into
Speaker 2: one of the meetings and was like, whose car is this?
Speaker 2: Whose dog is this? That I'm like screaming, And it
Speaker 2: was the meeting for people I swear to God covering
Speaker 2: from parents with anger mansion, and it was like it
Speaker 2: was like an AA meeting is like where the person
Speaker 2: actually was. I just saw these people just like horrified.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, working on this right now. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you asked, because we're working on this passion. This
Speaker 1: is a planned simulation. Do you want to see how
Speaker 1: you reacted as crazy action?
Speaker 2: It like couldn't have been worse. And I never lose
Speaker 2: my temper like that, only around like when it involves
Speaker 2: children or animals, Like all bets are off, Like I
Speaker 2: do not care if you think I'm an asshole. I
Speaker 2: never lose my temper around shit like that. I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like doing a helicopter with a hammer. I'm like,
Speaker 2: who's got the yorkey in the page Cruiser? But did they? Do?
Speaker 1: They have the windows closed?
Speaker 2: Yes? Why?
Speaker 1: Like, explain to me why, Like, is someone allowed to
Speaker 1: have theirs if it's sixty five degrees outside? Is someone
Speaker 1: allowed to have their dog in the car if the
Speaker 1: windows open?
Speaker 2: Is that allowed?
Speaker 1: Would you small?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What's the what's the actual rule? Are there no dogs
Speaker 1: allowed to be in any cars no matter what windows open?
Speaker 1: Are closed?
Speaker 2: The window up in California? Is I believe pretty? I mean,
Speaker 2: because it's always hot here.
Speaker 1: And even if why would someone keep the windows up?
Speaker 1: I don't even understand. Just crack the window if you,
Speaker 1: let's say, desperate and you don't have pet care and
Speaker 1: you have to go in to get a prescription and
Speaker 1: you're an emergency, Like, why wouldn't someone just crack the
Speaker 1: window if it's like seventy five degrees? Okay, so only fans.
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what it is. And the name
Speaker 1: sounds really nice. It doesn't sound porny at all. And
Speaker 1: I was talking to Denise Richards about her being on
Speaker 1: it and her daughter being on it, and she was
Speaker 1: kind of saying, you could do anything on there. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be not wearing clothes, and she said
Speaker 1: you could be cooking. And I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: could do my cottage cheese potato bagel program on there.
Speaker 1: She's like sure, and she's like, they probably prefer that
Speaker 1: you were like wearing laingerie. So what goes on on
Speaker 1: Only Fans? And then you were on OnlyFans TV and
Speaker 1: it was massive for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am doing the first stand up special for
Speaker 2: OnlyFans TV. Earlier in the year, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you remember the roasts that were on Comedy Central
Speaker 2: and you know, you know Joan Rivers and Johnald Trump,
Speaker 2: and you know, people started getting really scared of doing
Speaker 2: roast and I was like, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 2: to bring these back. Okay, let's just like elevate and
Speaker 2: be more clever and not make this bottom of the
Speaker 2: barrel trash roast the way it used to all be
Speaker 2: about women's appearances and men's dicks.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's actually been saying about reality television.
Speaker 1: I've been saying, you should explore and not exploit. And
Speaker 1: it's not because I'm like killing the party. It's because
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like all this bullshit of just trashing women.
Speaker 1: Trashing women is not creative. You can have a good
Speaker 1: conflict without you know, throwing your leg on the dance floor.
Speaker 2: It's just on original. It's like we've seen it. Like now,
Speaker 2: it's like let's pivot, let's elevate, you know. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, so I'm not saying, don't talk about dix
Speaker 2: or vagina, just make it original. We've we've heard all
Speaker 2: this already, you know, Like I mean, and with Twitter
Speaker 2: and with you know, Instagram, we all as comedians have
Speaker 2: to level up and be more clever because I mean,
Speaker 2: I see these memes online that everyone's sharing that are hilarious,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, a comedian didn't make that. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of funny people out there, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: not just us, like we need to make funnier than
Speaker 2: all of this. You know. So we did want a
Speaker 2: roast of me and then a roast of berg Kreischer.
Speaker 2: We put them on OnlyFans TV. It's just of dot TV,
Speaker 2: totally free. You don't have to put in a password.
Speaker 2: You don't have to, you know, get charged four ninety
Speaker 2: nine and then have some weird subscription on your credit
Speaker 2: card for the rest of your life that you can't
Speaker 2: get rid of. You know, all of TV is doing
Speaker 2: some really interesting stuff and completely uncensored. So I wouldn't
Speaker 2: been able to do that at Netflix. I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been able to do that at Hulu. Hula's now owned
Speaker 2: by Disney like, so you had paid?
Speaker 1: Was it because only fans wanted to start? So you
Speaker 1: get paid. It's great for only fans, and it's a
Speaker 1: great and it's a content to the people model, which
Speaker 1: is my entire life now. Yeah, And everybody thinks, for
Speaker 1: some reason I would want to be on traditional television.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I Well, then you can't. If you're going to be
Speaker 2: on traditional television these days, you can't make fun of
Speaker 2: the vaccine. You can't say certain things. I mean, YouTube
Speaker 2: now will age restrict certain things. I had this huge
Speaker 2: porn star on my podcast and it got age restricted.
Speaker 2: It got to monetize it. If you we have to
Speaker 2: bleep our podcast on YouTube now for the first half hour,
Speaker 2: or you basically don't get an algorithm.
Speaker 1: I've literally been pitched so many shows in the last
Speaker 1: year or so, and there was I was going to
Speaker 1: do a show on Bravo that I backed out of
Speaker 1: because what I didn't want to do. Let's talk to
Speaker 1: the suits around the table. Let's get their watered down
Speaker 1: ideas that the suits think that they that what they know,
Speaker 1: what's everyone's going to want to watch. Let's then wait
Speaker 1: six months to shoot it, then six months to edit it.
Speaker 1: Now all this store, all the day, all.
Speaker 2: The jokes are stale, and that funny Ukraine joke is
Speaker 2: now hacky, and you look like you're not as funny
Speaker 2: as you are, and like it's not topical. And here's
Speaker 2: the thing. All these suits, all these executives like look,
Speaker 2: they go into these rooms and go, oh, let's look
Speaker 2: at Bethany's new show. They think they have to talk
Speaker 2: as their job. Like no one is able to go
Speaker 2: like I loved it. Should we adjourn the meeting. Let's
Speaker 2: error everyone because they're like jobs, I have to go.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I get that joke? Is she like?
Speaker 2: They have to overthink it as their job. They're getting
Speaker 2: paid four hundred thousand dollars a year. They think they
Speaker 2: have to do it to justify their existence. I remember
Speaker 2: one time I was doing a notes call with a
Speaker 2: studio and they schedule for a TV show. They schedule
Speaker 2: the notes call to be an hour, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you guys don't even know how many notes. You haven't
Speaker 2: read the script yet, and you already have the notes
Speaker 2: called being an hour. You just have to fill this hour.
Speaker 2: Your job is to just fill this hour, to overthink.
Speaker 1: Things and you really analyze data versus going as a
Speaker 1: gut like really, no one.
Speaker 2: Gets promoted off of going like love it, let's air it,
Speaker 2: love it. They're like what you know? So it's it's
Speaker 2: their job to be critical and overthink things and create
Speaker 2: problems that aren't really there. Get it out. Let the audience.
Speaker 2: It's decide you're not the target audience. You know. That's
Speaker 2: why I love focus groups. I say, give it to
Speaker 2: a focus group.
Speaker 1: I rather yeah, one hundred percent. Well, you have focus
Speaker 1: groups on social media also. People tell you they hate you,
Speaker 1: people tell you they love it. You could figure it out.
Speaker 1: So what's your model? Now you've done seven Netflix specials,
Speaker 1: what's your model? What's your relationship to doing Netflix specials
Speaker 1: to going out on the road like you're pregnant, you're
Speaker 1: having a baby, Like, what's what's the whole soup look like?
Speaker 2: Now? I guess my big thing right now? You know,
Speaker 2: it's like I really just want to make sure that
Speaker 2: I'm doing specials in a lot of different places because
Speaker 2: you know, it's like I did these Comedy Central specials.
Speaker 2: I did, you know HBO specials. There's all these different
Speaker 2: people networks that ever. You know. Now my HBO specials
Speaker 2: are on Paramount, plus my Commedy Central specials, I don't
Speaker 2: even know where those are. So I think I'm at
Speaker 2: the point where I'm kind of want to own my
Speaker 2: own content so that when that works come and go,
Speaker 2: at least I'm able to have it. And okay, let's
Speaker 2: put it on Amazon now all right, let me take
Speaker 2: it back and now I'll put it on Showtime. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's it. Now I'll put it on YouTube, like yes, however,
Speaker 2: we actually get it to our audiences. And also it's
Speaker 2: important to me that it's free, you know, like comedy
Speaker 2: is different than a lot of other things. It's like
Speaker 2: because you might not like it. Comedy's fashion. You know,
Speaker 2: I also need we need to be able to cut
Speaker 2: it up so that people can consume it on TikTok
Speaker 2: or rumble.
Speaker 1: Or you need the wing, you need the broth, you
Speaker 1: need to make a bunch of different things out of
Speaker 1: the same thing. I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree, it's gonna be a different platform in two years.
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing about OnlyFans TV is like I
Speaker 2: remember remember when Netflix first came out and they were like,
Speaker 2: will you do a special with us? And I was like,
Speaker 2: is this the place that throws DVDs and envelopes at
Speaker 2: your door? Like what I've always been a little bit
Speaker 2: When Twitter came out, I was like, ugh, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to take pictures of my smoothies like I've always
Speaker 2: been a little bit, Like I'm a comic. It's embarrassing
Speaker 2: to promote yourself. I'm going to go with the established.
Speaker 2: But when you do that, you're just gonna be behind.
Speaker 2: So when they're like, oh, f TV, I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: the next thing. Let me just jump on it. Even
Speaker 2: people make fun of me, even if people don't get
Speaker 2: it and they think it's a poor in site, like
Speaker 2: I'd rather be and this is what I learned in
Speaker 2: real estate. I'd rather be the person everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: why are you moving there? And then I have the
Speaker 2: last laugh later.
Speaker 1: But it's much easier. What you didn't realize I'm in
Speaker 1: the same place as you. You didn't realize, is it's
Speaker 1: much easier. I used to call up any komb like
Speaker 1: get the cameras because something is like I got my
Speaker 1: own cameras, Like.
Speaker 2: Get you all.
Speaker 1: I see behind you there are two cameras in there.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even have to be the best, best of
Speaker 1: the best quality. So you could be performing at some
Speaker 1: shit club and have some uncommon shoot it and ask
Speaker 1: them can I have this content and it's yours. I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you that that's what.
Speaker 2: People don't know. I mean, I remember when I was
Speaker 2: doing you know, Two Burke Girls. You know, people would
Speaker 2: come up to me and I'm not trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: self aggrandize, but I'm just trying to make this point
Speaker 2: is they would come up to me and with tears
Speaker 2: in their eyes, and they'd be like, two work girls
Speaker 2: change my life, and I change. I quit my horrible
Speaker 2: job and I started my own business because of you
Speaker 2: and because of watching Two Burke Girls. I've seen every
Speaker 2: episode backwards and forwards, and then my question was always
Speaker 2: what network is it on? And they'd be like, right, ah,
Speaker 2: no one knows. They google Bethany Frankel new TV show
Speaker 2: Bethany and whatever comes up.
Speaker 1: It's content to the people.
Speaker 2: It's to be It's tree b, it's wee b, it's wah,
Speaker 2: it's Hulu, it's haha, like it's always you know, Sisop
Speaker 2: came and went, TBS came and went. So for me,
Speaker 2: the last Netflix special I did, I paid for myself
Speaker 2: and then licensed to them this one. You know, licensing stuff.
Speaker 2: I think, you know it's gonna cost It's gonna cost
Speaker 2: you more in the short term, but then you're actually like,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's starting to get too granular here, but
Speaker 2: like there's huge comics like Sebastian, Joe Cooy, Gabriel and Glacias.
Speaker 2: These comics that are selling out fifty thousand seed arenas.
Speaker 2: These are some of the ones that Comedy Central didn't
Speaker 2: give specials to in the beginning, and they went, oh,
Speaker 2: I got to shoot my own special. I got it
Speaker 2: out of pocket, spend twenty grand and shoot it myself.
Speaker 2: But they're having the last laugh because they were able
Speaker 2: to put it on Serious and Raw Dog and Spotify
Speaker 2: and they actually own their content.
Speaker 1: Just a Sebastian Mescalco for my birthday in Atlantic City.
Speaker 2: The best, the best, the best.
Speaker 1: He is really because he's got physical comedy angle. It's
Speaker 1: like the modern dice Clay got that, but he really
Speaker 1: exaggerates the gestures and it really lands, and I thought
Speaker 1: he was great.
Speaker 2: He was great. I also love that Sebastian. I have
Speaker 2: a lot to learn from him. And sorry, sorry to
Speaker 2: keep going, but now now I also really want to
Speaker 2: like elevate I think that as a woman in comedy.
Speaker 2: Sorry to bring gender into it, I still believe in gender.
Speaker 2: Sorry guys, but uh, I think I'm ready to not
Speaker 2: have to lean on the like, oh look at me
Speaker 2: and my sneakers and hoodie and like I'm you know, a.
Speaker 1: Little comedy girl. You mean like that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just kind of like I think that, like self deprecation,
Speaker 2: I had to do that for a long time in
Speaker 2: order to, you know, feel like I wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have to tell you like you
Speaker 2: are way more fearless than me around this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I think that on a woman, like oh, you're
Speaker 2: so ambitious. I've heard that a lot. You're you're so Hollywood,
Speaker 2: like you're very networky, like if you have success or
Speaker 2: try I'm like, yeah, I'm a try hard I don't
Speaker 2: know what to tell you. I try really hard. I
Speaker 2: want to succeed. And I look at Sebastian and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this next phase is my sequin blazer phase. It's my
Speaker 2: bedazzled headband phase. Like I'm gonna like.
Speaker 1: I'm doing whatever the fuck I want phase.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I can be funny and unapologetic and like
Speaker 2: feminine and I feel like a bumpet is in my future.
Speaker 2: I feel like like I can be more glad. I
Speaker 2: want to move towards being a little more glamorous. I
Speaker 2: don't have I don't have this narrative anymore that like
Speaker 2: women won't like me if I try hard or something. Well.
Speaker 1: When I was so growing up, I've always been into comedy.
Speaker 1: I remember I was a little kid when I was
Speaker 1: watching Delirious and Raw and George Carland. I've always been
Speaker 1: obsessed with SNL. My one dream in my life is
Speaker 1: to host SNL. It's the only dream that's unrealized. And
Speaker 1: I had an internship at NYU that I was given SNL,
Speaker 1: but n y you wouldn't give me the credit so
Speaker 1: SNL wouldn't let me do it because at NY you
Speaker 1: wouldn't give me the credit. And I just stopped then.
Speaker 1: And I was so pissed years later because knowing who
Speaker 1: I am now, I would never have allowed that. I
Speaker 1: would have pushed through. So I've always been like comedy
Speaker 1: adjacent roast. I was on the whatever you call the
Speaker 1: Dais and I roasted Betty White at her like ninetieth birthday.
Speaker 2: At the Friarschre.
Speaker 1: So I've always dabbled. I did stand up comedy one
Speaker 1: night and called all the comedians that I know.
Speaker 2: One of my entertainment heroes was Dennis Robin. I know
Speaker 2: that's random, but I remember watching him and going, he's
Speaker 2: a I was very serious basketball player, and it was
Speaker 2: like he's defense. This guy is putting on a show.
Speaker 2: He is die. People are spending eighty dollars to go
Speaker 2: see a game. Most people do not, They're getting a babysitter,
Speaker 2: they're paying god knows what for parking in an NBA game,
Speaker 2: and this guy is giving them a show. He's not
Speaker 2: too cool for school. He's like, I'm gonna blue hair,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna red hair, I'm gonna wear a wedding dress
Speaker 2: like and for me, I think a lot of comics
Speaker 2: are like, I'm just gonna lean against a wall and
Speaker 2: wear my brown hoodie and I'm barely here, and I
Speaker 2: like to be unapologetically. I am putting on a show
Speaker 2: for you. I want to entertain you. I want to
Speaker 2: give you the best night of your life.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I know it's so sure you have your opportunity up
Speaker 1: on stage, so go all in. That is absolutely true.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I never knew really who Travis Kelsey was,
Speaker 1: but watching a lot of his footage of him dancing
Speaker 1: on the field, like, people want to see that great.
Speaker 2: And also, no one's mad at you if you shine
Speaker 2: to bright, and if they are, that's their problem. That's
Speaker 2: me and my mom. Shit, I think my mom was
Speaker 2: kind of like weirdly jealous of her kids, or like competitive,
Speaker 2: or maybe the scarcity complex. If I wanted female comics
Speaker 2: to like me and not think that I who knows,
Speaker 2: who gives a shit?
Speaker 1: That's good too, Yeah, because other comments you don't like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is she doing?
Speaker 2: I don't know? Yeah, why is she wearing bee Dazzled?
Speaker 2: I get these Betsy Johnson I have a collection of
Speaker 2: be dazzled boots in every color, and I'm like, there's
Speaker 2: no more apologetic who me like in front of ten
Speaker 2: thousand people. Let's just like, all, if you want to
Speaker 2: wear that crazy thing, wear that crazy let's all just
Speaker 2: go start wearing capes like Joan Rivers did and Feather
Speaker 2: BoA's the way philas Diller did, who cares like We're dying.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel not fraudulent, but I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: do stand up and I did do it the one time,
Speaker 1: three minutes at the night you call out to you,
Speaker 1: and I feel when you say like, oh, you go
Speaker 1: get it, you go do it. I guess I feel
Speaker 1: fraudulent in the sense that I have never really didn't
Speaker 1: really go down that road because I went to the groundings,
Speaker 1: I took classes at Second City, Like I've always flirted
Speaker 1: with it. But I think my cop out is that
Speaker 1: when I do speaking engagements or appearances or on my podcast,
Speaker 1: I get to insert it. But it is different. Like
Speaker 1: I watched David Spain on TikTok. It's the funniest thing
Speaker 1: you've ever seen because he's doing different stand up jokes
Speaker 1: all day, giving him away for free and I feel like,
Speaker 1: but he still goes on the road and really exercises
Speaker 1: the muscle, so I give you a lot of credit.
Speaker 2: Also, I'm very jealous because you and Denise Richards did
Speaker 2: a part two. I'm sorry I have to do another thing,
Speaker 2: but let's do it if you ever, but if you
Speaker 2: ever want to, I love talking to you and I
Speaker 2: want you to come on my kit if you will
Speaker 2: want to toot we do. We do have to get
Speaker 2: into our feud about the Hamptons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you talked about it on Kelly and Mark.
Speaker 1: All right, go have a baby. So nice to talk
Speaker 1: to you. It was really amazing and I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: and it was more than I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be, which I thought a lot. So yay, I
Speaker 1: love you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna text you you have a good day.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Bye.
Speaker 1: Well that was we couldn't launch. We couldn't like launch
Speaker 1: the rocket or the plane couldn't take off because I
Speaker 1: had so much to say before even starting to talk,
Speaker 1: which is what was amazing. The foreplay was as good
Speaker 1: as the main act. She's awesome. Wow was that? I
Speaker 1: mean I think that was my favorite and a long time.
Speaker 1: And that's the only person that I could really say
Speaker 1: that I've had on that would be amazing on a
Speaker 1: podcast with me like that was beyond and as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, because I'm still a scaredy cat, maybe
Speaker 1: on her show, I'll do ten minutes with her, like
Speaker 1: just sitting fucking riff for ten minutes with her.