1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the most dramatic podcast ever. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm Chris Harrison. Welcome here to what we will affectionately 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: call Studio A, the home office in Austin, Texas. Wherever 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: you are, wherever you find yourself on your journey, you 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: are welcome here. And I just want to say thank you. 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: I want to start off by saying thank you for 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: the response to the first episode, and I hope you 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: have listened to episode one. If you have not, I 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: recommend you hit the pause button, step back watch episode one, 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: listen to it, take it in. UM. I think the 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: connective tissue to these two episodes is very important and 12 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: vital to get the feel and the vibe of everything 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: I said in episode one leading into this one. UM. 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: I also want to say thank you to the response. 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: I should have said this in the first episode, but 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: no joke. It was a very emotional moment to get 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: all of that out, and so I missed a few things, 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: and what I wanted to say was thank you the 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: response to the trailer that we dropped. We announced this 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: UM connection, this partnership with My Heart Radio about a 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: month ago and mid early December, and this particular show 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: the most dramatic podcast ever that I would be hosting. 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: And the response from you was incredible, and I was 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: blown away and I was so touched, and it's it's 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: never lost on me how amazing all of you are 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: and how loving and I'm sure curious intrigued by all 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: of this, but to make the trailer of the show 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: the number four podcast in all podcasts and number one 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: in its category was overwhelming. And I just want to 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: say thank you. I am so appreciative and I can't 31 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: wait to see the response to these first two episodes 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: that we are dropping together. And just to give you 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: a little logistics, UM, Lauren and I flew out to 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: San Francisco, that's where we actually recorded the first one, 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: just so I could be with the team, the I 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio team. And then now we are back home 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: and our our beautiful home in Austin, Texas, where Lauren 38 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: and I have set up shop and made our life. Um. 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: And speaking of Lauren, Zema is going to be joining 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: us just a little bit later. But beyond the response 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: to the trailer, one thing I didn't touch on an 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: episode one is the response from everybody after everything went down, 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: And there were several camps that I will touch on. 44 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: I was moved by the crew. Many of the crew 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: members that I've worked with for the better part of 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: two decades reached out. A lot of them. Um, I 47 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: definitely won't name those names because I know a lot 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: of them still work there and I don't want to 49 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: create any weird tension for them, but I appreciate it. 50 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: The other interesting thing about the show, and I've said 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: this in interviews before, this family and friends that I 52 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: made over the nineteen years, and I'm talking about people 53 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: that came on the show. They were either maybe the 54 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: backs or bachelorette or cast members, and then after the show, 55 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: often we would end up at events together, charity events, 56 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: helping each other, supporting each other. Um, they would often 57 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: call me because you know, being the bachelor bachelrette is 58 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: a little bit like being shot out of a cannon 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, You're just going a thousand miles 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: an hour. Nothing has really prepared you from going from 61 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: you know zero, your life and wherever you're living too, 62 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, red carpets and everything that's thrown at you. 63 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: And so I tried to help and counsels as best 64 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: I could when they would reach out and needed it, 65 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: and that those relationships grew. And now these families have 66 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: grown and we have children that have been born and 67 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pride in that. And early on 68 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: a lot of those people reached out. Some spoke out, um, 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, like a Catherine and Sean who I love 70 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: and a Door very much. Um, you know, Ari and Lauren, 71 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: Brad Walmac. It's tough when you start naming names. It's like, 72 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: there's this I could go for miles of Tristan Ryan 73 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: and JP and Ashley and Jaden Tanner and Jojo and 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: Jordan who Lauren and I love so much, and Bob 75 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: Guinney and Andrew Firestone, Been and Ashley. I know they're 76 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: not a couple, but you know they do the podcast 77 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: together and they actually spoke very highly and glowingly of 78 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: of this announcement UM last month. And I appreciate Been 79 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: and Ashley very much. And Andy Dorfman, I'm so happy 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: she's found love. And um, Sarah Herron who's going to 81 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: be a mom, and Leslie Murphy who is a mom, 82 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: and and Tinley who and so you know, and even 83 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: a guy like Jake Pavelka. Jake Pavelka reached out. Um, 84 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: the guy who helped me coin the phrase everything is 85 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: about to change. Um. Raven and Adam up there, Chris Souls, 86 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: the miracle man Eric Bieger. Gotta mention him one of 87 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: my favorite human beings to come through the show that spirit. Uh. 88 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: He and I've had some great conversations, UM, since all 89 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: of this went down, and I appreciate it. And even 90 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: those that we're critical early on, I'm glad I've gotten 91 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: to run into a lot of them. Mike Johnson was 92 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: was one who was very critical, outspoken as soon as 93 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: this happened, and understandably so. UM. And we ran into 94 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: each other ironically in Vegas at an iHeart event and 95 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: gave each other a big hug, had nothing but love 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: and and he I very much appreciate. He reached out 97 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: to me while we were sitting there and spending time 98 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: together and just thank me for being kind of that 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: big brother and always being there for him. And UM 100 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: it was good too, not necessarily make amends because we 101 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: never got sideways, but just to reconnect. And you know, 102 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: Nick Vau was another one who Nick wasn't really uh 103 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: strongly against me or said anything, but you know, I 104 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: think Nick was one of those among many who probably 105 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: saw the blood in the water and saw the opportunity 106 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: of a job that would be really phenomenal, and no 107 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: doubt he wanted that job. And but we saw each 108 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: other at Wells and Sarah's wedding and gave each other 109 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: big hugs. Saw Chris Souls there too. It was good 110 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: to see Chris. And speaking of uh Wells and Sarah's wedding, 111 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: which was phenomenal, a few bachelor people, a lot of 112 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: modern family people. Um Wells has always been a very 113 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: he First of all, he's a good man. He's a 114 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: very good man and a good friend of mine. Um 115 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: he'll never beat me on the golf course, but that's 116 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: beside the point. He um Wells was in a very 117 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: difficult situation because obviously he was still kind of connected 118 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: to the show and he was doing stuff on Paradise. 119 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: But he was one of the first to reach out 120 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: to me and just said, hey, look, I'm I'm staying 121 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: out of this. You know, I love you, respect you, 122 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: and I appreciated that. I appreciated him because if anybody 123 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: had sites on the job, it could easily was Wells, 124 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: and deservedly so, by the way I I thought to 125 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: be completely candid that Wells was going to get the job. 126 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of the easiest call since 127 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: Ken Jennings got the Jeopardy job. He's and the family, 128 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: everybody loves him. It just seemed like a layup. But 129 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: that's not how it went down. I even told him, 130 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, I won't speak out publicly because 131 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that will help you at all. In fact, 132 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: it would do a lot more harm than good. But 133 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: I really hope you get the job. I think you'd 134 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: be great at it. Just appreciate him and so many 135 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: others that have reached out to me. UM, since that's happened, 136 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: since I announced I was doing this podcast, it really 137 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: has been heartwarming and it's been a wonderful connection for 138 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: all of us to get back together. UM. There were 139 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: there were a lot of others that reached out too 140 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: that I found interesting. UM, whether it's celebrities, athletes, UM, 141 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: a late night host. I really appreciated it, and it 142 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: was just private text messages or phone calls, and it 143 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: helped as Laura and I were navigating this and speaking 144 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: of I think it's time for our first guest, the 145 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: first guest ever in the history of the most dramatic 146 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: podcast ever, and it has to be the one and 147 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: only Lauren's Ema. This podcast is all about relationships. This 148 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: is the most important relationship in my life and she 149 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: was the only person with me every step of the 150 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: way during this So when we return, Lauren and I 151 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about our experience and how this 152 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: affected our relationship. That's next. Welcome back to the Most 153 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: Dramatic podcast ever with Chris Harrison and I am here 154 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: to welcome my very first guest, and it had to 155 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: be this woman, three time Emmy winner. Don't laugh at that. 156 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: I haven't done a podcast in a while, Well might 157 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: as well do this one, Okay. On a scale of 158 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: one to ten, one being the best. That is a 159 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: day of organizing at the house, just watching Housewives, that's 160 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: number one. Ten would be having to go to ten 161 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: football games, So that's the scale Housewives to football. Ten 162 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: is bad. Scale of one to How excited are you 163 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: to sit down and have this conversation. I'm very excited 164 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: to sit down and have the conversation, but I'm also 165 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: very I would say that my nerves are at probably 166 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: a tend. My hands are so sweaty, right, now because this, 167 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, you and I have so rarely done something 168 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: like this where we're when whenever we're in a situation 169 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: like this has happened a few times, it's always who's 170 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: the interviewer and who's the interviewee, And we lose that 171 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: a little bit because we both do it for a living. 172 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: So sometimes we have a bit of a hard time 173 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: finding our rhythm in these moments because we don't know. 174 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: It's like dancing when you don't know who's leading. I 175 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I will say if I'm 176 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: guessing you as a listeners have never had the opportunity 177 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: to interview an interviewee. Um, I'm probably a little more 178 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: adept at it because I had that interviewing, no being interviewed, 179 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: like giving turning the table. Yes, I'm usually in control 180 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: of the moment when I'm hosting and whatever, but I've 181 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: had the moment turned on me many of time, and 182 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: in interviews. And that's how we actually met, was you 183 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: interviewing me. And that's one of the things I fell 184 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: in love with immediately, was how brilliant you were and 185 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: what an amazing journalist and how good you were. Um, 186 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: and then there was the rest but I I know 187 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: you have a tough time being interviewed. I do. I don't. 188 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm so used to I had been. I mean I 189 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: was at entertainment tonight for oh I think almost eight years, 190 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: and before that, I was just another So I don't 191 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: have been a journalist for well over a decade, and 192 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: I've probably been interviewed myself less than five times. So, um, yeah, 193 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm used to asking all the questions. When I was dating, 194 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: I would always joke that, like, I would go on 195 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: a really bad date in my mind, but the person 196 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: would think it went really well. But that was just 197 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: because I asked them a million questions because I'm in 198 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: interview mode. Um. And then my friends really joke with 199 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: me that, when you know, they asked me how are you, 200 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: I always say I'm fine, I'm good, how are you? 201 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: And I turn it back around on them. So I 202 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: do sort of have a hard time talking about myself 203 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: and being interviewed, and that's why my bombs are dripping. Also, 204 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: I sound so horrible. I'm so sorry everybody. I'm kind 205 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: of sick. I've been sick for a week. I've tested 206 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: negative for COVID four times. But I just have a 207 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: very bad um, you know, side dis infections, so blessings 208 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: on this holiday season of illness and viral moments to 209 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: look beautiful? Can you sound amazing? We haven't kissed in 210 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: a week, and I appreciate I appreciate that. Um no, 211 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you sitting down. And this is something I 212 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: know that we have talked obviously a lot about everything, 213 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: but one thing we really don't ever get into is 214 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: how each other felt separately going through all this, and 215 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: that one of the most painful things I said in 216 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: episode one was affecting you and how this affected you, 217 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: And that was easily one of the toughest things for 218 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: me to watch, what was the effect on you? Initially, 219 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: I think the hardest part was understanding it because I 220 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I was watching you. I know that 221 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: wasn't you in that interview. I know that it wasn't 222 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: the way you. You know, I felt the what what 223 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: was being perceived was not how you felt in your heart, 224 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: and I knew that, and so I was also just 225 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: mad because I thought, how could you do this? How 226 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: could you be so messy? How could you not see 227 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: how you were sounding? But what I quickly realized is 228 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: that everybody makes mistakes and to me the most including 229 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: myself many times obviously, UM, And to me, the most 230 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: important thing about a human is how is what their 231 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: intention is and how they react after they make a mistake. 232 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: And I knew that your intention in that interview was 233 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: in no way malicious. I knew that your intention was 234 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: to protect Matt at the time the Bachelor, Um, And 235 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: after it happened, you were immediately so apologetic and so 236 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: hard broken and you wanted to make everything right. So 237 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: the hardest part is watching somebody who you love being 238 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: so much pain and UM, knowing that you can't fix it, 239 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: that there's nothing you can do. And we tried so 240 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: many in so many ways to fix everything. Um, But 241 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: that was the hardest part about it all for me. 242 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: That was a very long answer, but a good one, 243 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: was it? Yeah, Because I you know, I think one 244 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: thing that is good to see and explain in a 245 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: relationship when I think when people could see us or 246 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: think about us, it's just this. You know, you never 247 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: know what's going on inside someone's house. And this was 248 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: not an easy thing to go through. We had, you know, 249 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: we had just gone through the pandemic like everybody, and 250 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: we became one of those pandemic couples of like, well, 251 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: be together, a break up the pan you know, you're 252 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: either living together or you're you're never thinking about breaking up. 253 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: No, No No, I mean during the pandemic. You know, I 254 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: think a lot of people you had to quarantine together 255 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: or not. And so we were one of those couples 256 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: that definitely in the pandemic, we quarantined together, we moved 257 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: in together, and so we had just gone definitely accelerated 258 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: our relationship. And so we went through that stressful time 259 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: right into this um which was you thought the pandemic 260 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: was stressful, this was, you know, tenfold, And so I 261 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: don't ever want to give people the impression that you 262 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: and I just breathed through this. It was very difficult, 263 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, we had arguments, We battled. Um. Lauren comes 264 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: from a long line of lawyers, so they love to 265 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: debate and they're very honest. But I appreciated that and 266 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: I needed that because I think far too often you 267 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: end up in an echo chamber, and that's how you 268 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: get in trouble as you just surround yourself by yes men, 269 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: yes women who just say exactly what you want to hear. 270 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: But I have so many regrets about how I advised 271 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: you at that time. UM. I mean, I don't know 272 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: if I could have. I don't think I could have 273 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: done a better job, because for me, you know, you'd 274 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: been famous for almost twenty years, you know, fifteen years 275 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: at least when we first started dating. UM. I I 276 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: worked in entertainment tonight people. Some people knew me from 277 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: my Bachelor recap show Roses and Rose that I started, UM, 278 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: but I was not on the same level by any means, 279 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: and I'd certainly never been through any type of scandal, 280 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: so it was all very new to me, and it 281 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: was a trial by fire of this unprecedented time in 282 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: all of our lives. The stress of that and this 283 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: added So I don't think I could have done a 284 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: better job in advising you. I was just doing the 285 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: best I could with information I had at the time. 286 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: But I do have regrets about some of the things 287 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: that I suggested, or the sounding board that I was 288 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: at the time, what anything in particular, Um, you talked 289 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: about asking your brother to take that letter down. I 290 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: know that I advised you to have him take it down. 291 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: I was coming from a place of worrying about what 292 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: it would do to him, and I didn't want any 293 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I've said this to friends. This 294 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: was not the saddest thing I've ever been through in 295 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: my life. I I lost my dad when I was 296 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: twenty two, my sister was nineteen, my brother was fourteen. 297 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: That was really hard. It ripped my family apart, and 298 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: it changed me forever as a person. Um. But this 299 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: was the most stressful thing I've ever been through for sure. UM. 300 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: I also have the perspective of at the end of 301 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: the day, I believe that if everybody you love is 302 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: how healthy, then you are blessed. And we had well 303 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: more than a roof over our heads, like we were okay. 304 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: So I kept that perspective throughout everything. But it wasn't 305 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: easy to have people d m n NG you two 306 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: or me to die, um, to kill ourselves to uh 307 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: that were horrible too. UM. You know, that was all 308 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: really hard, and I was worried about that coming for 309 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: your brother. So I but then to hear you, know, 310 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: you say that you felt like asking him to take 311 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: that down fundamentally affected you and made you question yourself. UM, 312 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: it's hard to hear. I I look back on the 313 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: statement that I put out at the time, and I 314 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: wish I'd done it differently. There was a longer version 315 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: of it where I said I know who Chris something 316 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: like I know who Chris is as a person, and 317 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: I know that he you know, did not mean to 318 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: come across that way or I can't remember exactly what 319 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: I said, But there was a longer version where I 320 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: defended you more and I was advised. You talked a 321 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: lot about being advised. I was advised cut that out, 322 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: like keep it shorter, Just keep it short. You have 323 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: to release a statement, so just get it out and 324 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: keep it short. Um, because that's going to be better. 325 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: It'll create less, less problems. Um. And I was a 326 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: part of that conversation. Yeah, but I wish I hadn't. 327 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: I know and and I know that, and I knew that, 328 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: But also you said something that I firmly believe. And 329 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: you and I say this all the time. You can 330 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: only make the best decision in the moment with what 331 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: you know in that moment and how you felt. We 332 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: were making split second decisions. But I do think one 333 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: takeaway I have the Molli's one thing I've learned is 334 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: that you're not gonna make everybody happy. I wish I'd 335 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: read less comments. I wish i'd you feel like you 336 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: should be reading the comments and reading the coverage because 337 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: you want to be aware of the situation. And also 338 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: you know you're the viewers of the show are so 339 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: important to you and to me too that we wanted 340 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: to make sure we were trying to do right by 341 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: people and to make things right. So we were trying 342 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: to listen, um to everybody. But that also kind of 343 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: messes with your head, and especially it's that thing of 344 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: and I think everybody who's on social media knows this. 345 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: You can hear ten nice things, but if one person 346 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: tells you you're horrible or tells you to harm yourself, 347 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: that hits you a lot harder. Um. So I wish 348 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: that I hadn't listen to that as much, because I 349 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: I maybe would have thought a bit clearer. Um. And 350 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: the big takeaway is that you have to feel good, 351 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: you have to feel good about who you are, and 352 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: you have to thank Years from now, am I going 353 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: to feel like what I did represented the person I 354 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: want to be? So that was what I learned. Um, 355 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that that statement was full enough to 356 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: represent who I am, and so I wish I had 357 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: I had left those extra bits in no matter what 358 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: ended up getting said, because like I said, you're not 359 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna make everybody happy. If you're try and please everybody, 360 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: you end up please. Now we all see that all 361 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: the time. I mean, mom could post a photo with 362 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: her new baby and somebody's going to say, but where 363 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: are your other kids? And um, then she could post 364 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: a photo with her other kids and somebody will say, God, 365 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: you're really exploiting your children. So there's nothing you can 366 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: do to fully satisfy all. Just announcing this podcast. I 367 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: didn't even really say anything announcing this podcast a month ago. 368 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: There was people that had something to say, right because 369 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: you have to, because what is the use of an 370 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: article that says, hey, I'm really about this. I'm curious 371 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: to hear what he's gonna say. You're never going to 372 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: see that article in a tabloid or on a podcast 373 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. You well, that's not true, like Been and 374 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Ashley and people like that, who are actually good people 375 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: like but it's not what exactly, it's not the click bait, 376 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: it's not whatever. And so you know, the the vocal 377 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: kind of minority that you see on social media or whatever, 378 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: it is. It's easier said than done to ignore that 379 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: and let it go because the majority of like once 380 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: so we announced this and the people that the outpouring 381 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: of love and support, and you know, as you've traveled around, 382 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: we've traveled together, and so many people come up to 383 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: us and we love that and and honestly, they usually 384 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: pushed me aside just to get to Lauren's ema and 385 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: I get that, um and I we've loved that and 386 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: it meant a lot. Well. One of the first things 387 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: I saw when we started dating. You told me very 388 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: early on, because people might come up to you and 389 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: ask for a photo when we were having dinner. I 390 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: remember you telling me, I always take the time for 391 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: every person who comes up to me, because I owe 392 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: all of my success to these people. And you care 393 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: about the fans and the viewers so much, UM, So 394 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, I I in part say that to say 395 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: that was what made all this so hard, as you 396 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: talked about in the first episode, was how much you 397 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: love everybody and trying you and I trying to figure 398 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: out what was the best way to go about reaching 399 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: those people. And that's what was so difficult. We didn't 400 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: have this podcast. I wish you know, good or bad. 401 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: I think there is this new model that I saw. 402 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: And it's not whether you agree with him or not. 403 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: It's just what I saw when whether it was Joe 404 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: Rogan or Dave Chappelle speak out when they were going 405 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: through similar type things publicly, they had a platform, um. 406 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: And I saw that, and I was like, damn, I 407 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: wish I could rewind six months. This is what I 408 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: would have done. I would have sat down here or 409 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: with you and with you at home to have this 410 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: conversation and to be able just to speak to you directly, 411 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: because you're the ones I care about, You're the ones 412 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: that matter. Well. I think you were caught in a 413 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: perfect storm for going through a moment where you made 414 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: a mistake. And by that, I mean you know, when 415 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: somebody who has their own podcasts or their own show 416 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: does it, they can take ownership of that, they can 417 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: speak out. I mean, especially if they own that property. 418 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: We were both advised to stay quiet. You were told 419 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: to stay quiet, um. And what's so hard about that is, 420 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: first of all, it's not genuine. You know, people were 421 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: used to you talking to them, and so that made 422 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: the whole thing even worse and more jarring. But I 423 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: think the hardest part is that while you might think 424 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to stay quiet, what ends up 425 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: happening is that other people feel that silence. Other people 426 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: speak for you. And I think that very much happened 427 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: and created a snowball that kept growing bigger and bigger 428 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: and bigger until it was an avalanche. And you were 429 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: also caught up in the perfect storm of, like you said, 430 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: people who wanted your job, who had podcasts of their 431 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: own though where they could speak out every week. Um, 432 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: and the show is still having so many episodes to air, 433 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: so the conversation kept getting brought up and brought up 434 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: and brought up. I thought a lot about how you 435 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: know somebody, You might be an actor who does something, 436 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: their movie comes out, and maybe they say something bad 437 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: in an interview, and then they can kind of go 438 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: away for a while and come back and and do 439 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: another movie later. Um. But this was being brought up 440 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and I was on 441 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: a nightly news show and we were covering it every night, 442 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: and it um made me look at my own industry 443 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: very differently too. I was very much on the other 444 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: side of it. This is also all reminded me of 445 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: how much gray area there is. Like there, as you've said, 446 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 1: there are people at the show who used to love 447 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: so much, there are people at the show who are 448 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: very problematic still, and um, for me, you know, I 449 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: look now at I always when I was covering the show. 450 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I didn't try to find the dirt, 451 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: because I did. It's part of the whole machine. But 452 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: I never wanted to. I mean I always was running 453 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: an article where I felt like it was well sourced, 454 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: I had reported the truth. What I realized in seeing 455 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: the coverage of this was that maybe, unfortunately, even when 456 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: journalists might think they're reporting the truth, there are versions 457 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: of the truth. It's not the whole truth I saw. 458 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: I remember I saw one source source said that you 459 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: were calling people begging for your job, and I know 460 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: that that never happened. And I think maybe people see, um, 461 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: maybe their sources and assistant who's heard half of a 462 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 1: phone call from another room. And so the version that 463 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: we get of the truth of what journalism is supposed 464 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: to be the first draft of history gets pretty whittled 465 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: and watered down. That was in this day and age. 466 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: That's all it takes, right, One one article somebody says something, 467 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: someone can write an article, and then someone else can 468 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: write it. And so by the third article that that 469 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: journalist and I hate to use that word and this 470 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: in this particular instance, because they've done no work. They 471 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: have not sourced anything much less have three of them, 472 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: but they don't even have one. Their their source is 473 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: another article. Um, that's not journalism, by the way, you 474 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: cannot do that, but they do, and it it's what 475 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: happens now, Um, you'll see the same article just kind 476 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: of be regurgitated over and over and over. And for 477 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: you and I to remain silent when we saw a 478 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: lot of people would I mean, honestly, just flat outlie 479 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: and they wanted to insert themselves in this story, and 480 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: they would talk about things they didn't know about You 481 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: and I remain silent. We did not speak. This is 482 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: the first time that you and I have spoken at 483 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: all about this publicly, and that, as I said in 484 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: episode one, was a difficult thing for me, and I 485 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: imagine it was just as difficult for you. Yes, Um, 486 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: and I guess what's coming to my mind right now 487 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: is something I haven't ever talked about, but which was 488 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: ending my recap show. Roses and rose um, which was 489 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: such a joy in my life for me. UM, how 490 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: I felt about my job changed a lot after I 491 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: stopped that because I realized that was really what I 492 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: got so much happiness from. I wasn't ready to end 493 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: that show. UM. One thing in looking at the interview 494 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: and in seeing how you've been in the past year 495 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: and a half since it's all been over, is I've 496 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: realized how frustrated you were at work. UM. You know, 497 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: I still want to and I can't really go back 498 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: and watch that interview because just because it's it brings 499 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: back so much. But I think one realization I've had 500 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: is that you people felt like, oh, is this a 501 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: side of him? I've just never seen. No what that 502 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: was was. It wasn't the truth of you. It was 503 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: a very frustrated, burnt out, tired version of you. UM. 504 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: And you are so rarely that I Chris never gets mad, 505 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: He doesn't uh really get sad. He You're the person 506 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: who's always trying to be strong for everyone around you. 507 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes to the point of some of our conflict comes 508 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: from me saying, but how do you like? You tell 509 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: me your emotions? How do you feel? Are you upset? 510 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean you won't even tell me if you're sick. Um, 511 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm fine, I'm good. I'm like, are you 512 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: because you're you've gotten out betting. I don't know. I'm good, okay. Um, 513 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: But I think in that interview you were you know, 514 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: you've been filming in Quarantine, You've had we've had stretches 515 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: of I think three months where I didn't see you, 516 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: we didn't see the kids, and some of that had 517 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: been used against you. Um, I think it. I think 518 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: it was purposely leaked that you left quarantine to move 519 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: your son into college. And I know that that hurt you, 520 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: that it was kind of, um, something that got weaponized 521 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: against you, and you were just trying to be a 522 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: good dad. I know you were so worried that this 523 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: controversy was happening about around Rachel Kirkconnell and and you 524 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: wanted her and Matt to not break up. You wanted 525 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: Matt to be okay. You didn't want Matt to be 526 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: going through all this. So all that frustration and exhaustion 527 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: went into that interview, and I really saw that you 528 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: were really tired of a lot. So there were many 529 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: reasons that you were really frustrated going into that interview 530 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: and being in that position again where you had to 531 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: defend the show, where no one was helping you defend 532 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: the show. No network executives were out there speaking out um, 533 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: and there you were yet again. So I started. I 534 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: started going on all this because I think I saw 535 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: a very burnt out version of you. Part of my 536 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: frustration with you, though, was that I I was mad 537 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: that even though you were you know, I don't think 538 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: I realized at the time how burnt out you were, 539 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: but I was mad that you messed up in part 540 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: because I wasn't quite as done yet. I was loving 541 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: doing my show Roses and Rose. I was having fun, 542 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: and um, when everything happened, I knew that I couldn't 543 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: do that show anymore. Um. Ultimately the reason I decided 544 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: not to do that show anymore. And I'm talking about 545 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: it for the first time, and I I feel so 546 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: bad because I've gotten so many wonderful messages from people 547 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: saying I miss Roses and Rose. I missed laughing with 548 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: you every week, and oh my gosh, that was what 549 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: I loved about it. Whether it was about the Bachelor 550 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: or something else, I just loved laughing with people every 551 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: week and connecting with them and having fun and and 552 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: feeling like maybe I gave them a bright spot in 553 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: their week that made me happier than anything. But ultimately 554 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: the reason I stopped doing that show. Um, I wasn't 555 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: told by my job that I had to stop doing it. 556 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: I stopped because I could not live with myself covering 557 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: the franchise like that anymore. I couldn't celebrate it in 558 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: the same way, knowing everything that I no, no, I 559 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: know it was hard to find humor in it. And 560 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: you talked about that before, long before he actually any 561 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: of this happened. You said, it's getting harder and harder 562 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: to find the love and humor in it anymore. It 563 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: was getting harder to have fun with it. Yes, speaking 564 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: of fun, let's take a quick break and come back 565 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: and have fun more fun with Lauren's Ema right after this. 566 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the most dramatic podcast ever. I am 567 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: sitting here with my beautiful fiance, Lauren's Ema, and we 568 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: have been talking for about the last half hour about 569 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: one of the worst times in our lives. What couple 570 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: does this? This is like therapy in a really horrible way. 571 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: I can't believe you said before the break, We'll be 572 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: back with more fun. I'm I'm this is we should 573 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: do this fun. We should do this every night. We 574 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: should sit down, open a bottle of wine and just 575 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: rehash all of this every night. I really, I will 576 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: say this just again from the bottom of my heart. 577 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: I love you and I do honestly when even in 578 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: losing my dad, I see silver linings that came out 579 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: of that UM. As much as it ripped my family 580 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: and I apart, it made me closer with them. It 581 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: made us me a stronger person. It gave me perspective 582 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: on life at a young age. And as hard as 583 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: this has been, first of all, I understand that there 584 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: are people. I'm oh, I feel grateful every night because 585 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: there are people who have gone through so much worse 586 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: than this. If whatever higher power there is said to me, 587 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: do you want to go through all this again? Or 588 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: do you want someone you love to be sick? Oh, 589 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: my gosh, I would take this a million times over. 590 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm fine with this UM. And a silver lining 591 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: of it is that it really made me see your 592 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: everything about who you are as a person. I mean, 593 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: if you want to wait to know that you're with 594 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: the right person, do you go through something traumatic and 595 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: you see who they are and how they step up 596 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: and what they do, and that shows you their true worth. No, 597 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: this would have either broken a couple up or or 598 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: brings you more together. And i've i've I said an 599 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: episode one, I I love and adore you and admire 600 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: you even more than I did before. And you know, 601 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: my grandmother, my my late great Jewish grandmother, uh Mimi, 602 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: always said to me, find somebody, surround yourself with people 603 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: who are equal or better than you, And that's Lauren's ema. 604 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: And thank you for saying my last name every time. 605 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: Um let me get married out by the way, I 606 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: you know what people always say, Oh do you know 607 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: people call you Chris Harrison? That actually does happen. I 608 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: don't call Lauren Lauren zo. I don't even call you Lauren. 609 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: I call you l z usually um so l z 610 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: uh name. And when we get married, I'm not changing it. No, 611 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: I'm changing mine, c z um. But it definitely brought 612 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: us closer together because you will find out what people 613 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: are made of in these moments in life, and that 614 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: is a blessing. And as I said an episode one, 615 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't come in a beautiful little you know box 616 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: under the tree. It's it's sometimes slapships side the head, 617 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: and that's what it was for us. But the bond 618 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: we built and how and I know we both go 619 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: back and said, oh, we could have done this, we 620 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: could have done this, we should have done this. You know, 621 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: you you can play Monday morning quarterback all throughout your life. 622 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: You especially do it in moments like this when everything 623 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: is under a microscope on such a grand scale, and 624 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: we do you still go back if if you're a 625 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: you know, intelligent person, you thinkack of like, you know, 626 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: I could have navigated this better. I could have done this, um. 627 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we made decisions 628 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: together and we stuck with them. You know. For example, 629 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: I quit watching TV, I quit reading stuff I wasn't 630 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: looking into that. You were the filter. You were dealing 631 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: with it in entertainment tonight, and so you kind of 632 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: let me know, hey, this person speaking out about you. 633 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: This person, and you kind of let me know what 634 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: I needed to hear because it was drinking from a 635 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 1: fire hydrant and you were able to kind of brush 636 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: that away and kind of help me drink from a 637 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: water fountain, which was a lot more palatable, and so 638 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: there were things that both of us did in any relationship. 639 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: And again this this pod will move on, it will 640 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: be fun. It's going to evolve into amazing things about relationships. 641 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: And one thing you will always learn in a relationship 642 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: is it's not always you know, no pun intended fantasy 643 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: suites and hot air balloon rides. It's tough, and you 644 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: go through these moments and at times you are the 645 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: weak one, at times you are the strength, at times 646 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: you're carrying the weight of two and at times you 647 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: are you know, a mush and a mess. And so 648 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: at times all throughout the day, Lauren and I would 649 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: switch those positions were you were. You were the caretaker 650 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: and then you were this and so we had to 651 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: be there for each other and it forced us to 652 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: build a bond that is unbelievable and I'm grateful for that. 653 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,439 Speaker 1: As you said, it's the silver lining. But one thing 654 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: I think made me fall in love with you even 655 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: more was that you never I mean I in all this, 656 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: there were moments when I was worried about myself and 657 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: my career, and like I said, I was mad at you. 658 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't think you were ever worried about yourself. I 659 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: never heard you say my career, my future. You were 660 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: so upset with yourself, so beside yourself. Um, watching you 661 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: not eat and not sleep was really hard. And again 662 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: because I couldn't fix it. Um, but you put you 663 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: were always worried about your family. I mean maybe just 664 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: being able to provide for everybody. Um. And what I 665 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: heard you say over and over again, and I think 666 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 1: sometimes to your detriment, you didn't like worry about how 667 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: you were coming across as you were trying to do 668 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: right by the show. And that was because you were 669 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: worried about the crew, the producers, the I don't know 670 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty people who work on it. And 671 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: you were so worried about the show staying alive because 672 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,959 Speaker 1: you didn't want any of those people who you knew 673 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: and loved to be in any kind of financial jeopardy. Um. 674 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: So you were. And I'm thinking about the g M 675 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: a interviewer. We'll get there someday. But look to your point, 676 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: you were you were putting the show above yourself, and UM, 677 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: that made me fall in love with you even more because, Uh, 678 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: it was very hard to watch you be defined by 679 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: this one thing. I don't think anybody again, we're all 680 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: gonna make mistakes, and I don't think that anyone deserves 681 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: to be to have their entire life defined by one 682 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: moment um, especially when they're sorry and they messed up 683 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: and they know it. Um. If we don't have redemption, 684 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,439 Speaker 1: then what are we all doing? Um? And I think 685 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: the problem is that, you know, you were somebody who 686 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: really like, in terms of your personal life, stayed out 687 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,280 Speaker 1: of headlines for the most part over those twenty years. 688 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 1: You You know, there are celebrities who are constantly involved 689 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: in scandals and drama and then they like to stay 690 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: in the headlines and it's part of their career and 691 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: you really didn't do that. Um. And a lot of 692 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: the good things you did as a journalist, I can 693 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: tell you don't make for very interesting headlines. Hey, he's 694 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: a dad who's coaching his kids soccer team. There's a 695 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: good headline. The beauty of my life is that this 696 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: doesn't define me whatsoever. If it defines me to you, 697 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: that's on you. That's not on me and my life. 698 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: And this is what helped me leave the franchise and 699 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: leave the show is because I've never defined myself by that. 700 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: I was proud of it. It was something I did. 701 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: It's something I spent a large part of my professional 702 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: life building and doing, and that was awesome. But I've 703 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: never defined myself by that. I've always defined myself by 704 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: what's important. And I preach this to my kids. I 705 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: preach it to you. What's important, who's important, you know, 706 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: my family, my friends, my faith, the things that I 707 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: lean on, the things that I truly care about. That 708 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: is the character of a man or one, and that's 709 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: what defines you. And so if you take away a 710 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: job and it was a profession, it was something like 711 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: a career. I loved it and I still love it. 712 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: I love TV. I left producing, I love creating, So 713 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: that part was neat. But you know, I didn't wake 714 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: up and go I'm Chris Harrison, Bachelor host. I'm I 715 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: would much more say I'm you know, Elsie's fiance and 716 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: father of two and friend to many, like That's That's 717 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: what I'm proud of. And at the end of the day, 718 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: I know, when I'm lying on my deathbed, um, I'm 719 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: not going to be thinking about rose ceremonies or anything 720 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: I did on the show. I'll be, you know, hopefully 721 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: surrounded by those that I love. UM, I was gonna 722 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: say something crude there and I won't, but don't you 723 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: say anybody. God, I know you know business is personal. 724 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: Our jobs are personal, and because we're passionate about our careers, 725 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: they take up a lot of our time. I mean, 726 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: I know that the show, especially when you're dealing with 727 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: the arts and this is kind of in that vein 728 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: of your life is in it, right, your heart's in 729 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: that when you are yes a part of it, it's 730 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: more than a job. And the show for you was 731 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: time away from your kids. I mean, one thing that's 732 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: been again a silver lining about the past year and 733 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: a half is you got to go to you know, 734 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: your daughter Taylor's senior musical. You've never gotten to go 735 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: to a play. Um, you'd had you would have to 736 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: go and watch a rehearsal, and you know that was 737 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: how you'd like, go see a rehearsal and get to 738 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: see it. But you know, when the actual show was 739 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: you were off filming. UM. And I know you give 740 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: everything to your kids and they love you so much 741 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: and you're such a great dad, but your work was 742 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: still time away from them. And so in the past 743 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: year to see you be able to go to Josh's 744 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: lacrosse games when you want, and go see Taylor's plays 745 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: and go visit them at college. Um has been You're 746 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: very You're You're much happier to me. One of the 747 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: great things about being the host and being a part 748 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: of that franchise for so long is when people come 749 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: up to us, they'll have these amazing stories about the 750 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: only time I talk to my you know, mom, or 751 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: my daughter or I connect with my dad is on 752 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: Monday nights. And we watched the show and we talk 753 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 1: about it and we call each other on Tuesday mornings. 754 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: Lorna and I were just at the airport here in 755 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: Austin and we were flying somewhere on where we were 756 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: going and she went off to get something and I 757 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: was sitting there by myself and this guy came up 758 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: to me. I kind of saw him, you know, staring 759 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: at mean, you kind of notice you get that kind 760 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: of weird radar and uh. And he came up and 761 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, Chris Harrison, do you mind if 762 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: I have to see usaid, sure, you know how you doing? 763 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: And nice guy and he tells me this story about 764 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: and I noticed he has a picture of this girl 765 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: on his shirt and he says, Hey, this is my 766 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: daughter and she just passed away. And just so you know, 767 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: she was sick for quite some time and on Monday 768 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: nights we would all gather and we would watch The Bachelor, 769 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: and that was our connection and that's how that's how 770 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: we escaped, and that's how she escaped. And it was 771 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: a couple hours of sanity, escapism, and relief from what 772 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: she was going through. And he said, I just want 773 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: to thank you, and that was it, and I will 774 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: end on this today because if nothing else ever came 775 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: from my silly job this show, that is what I 776 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: did it for. And I hear those stories all the time, 777 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: and that's what touched me. And that's why I'm so 778 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: grateful for all of you, and I'm grateful that you 779 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 1: took the time to listen today. And I'm unbelievably grateful 780 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: for this beautiful woman sitting next to me, Lauren's ema. 781 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: I love you, um who has the Emmy one of 782 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: the three sitting over her head. Um. But I am 783 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: so grateful and thank you for sharing. I know this 784 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: is something you have not been looking forward to. I 785 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 1: appreciate your time and your love and your support and 786 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: for all of you again, thank you. And next week, 787 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: next episode, we're gonna this might be a big mistake. 788 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: I want to hear from you, all of you, so 789 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: leave your comments below. On your podcast network, you can 790 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: reach us on Instagram, UM the most dramatic pod ever 791 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: is our handle, the most dramatic pod ever. UM. You 792 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: can reach me on my Instagram as always, leave me comments, questions, 793 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,720 Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the ugly. As I said before, 794 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: in this episode, this is not about sitting in an 795 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,720 Speaker 1: echo chamber. This is not about hearing your own voice 796 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: and having your ideas repeated to you. That is not helpful. 797 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: That's never been helpful, and I've never wanted that, nor 798 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: should you. And so let's get into it. Thank you 799 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: for listening. I'll see you next time time because we 800 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about.