WEBVTT - Our farewell to The Umbrella Academy & Interview w/ David Castañeda 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:06.040 Warning, this episode contains mild spoilers, probably for the Umbrella 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:11.400 Academy TV show and some other series that we will 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:21.040 be recommending, including spoiler alert, Legion, Misfits, Magicians, A Death Note, 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.079 and Shadow and Bone, So if you haven't watched those shows, 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.319 go in with that in mind. But we probably won't 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.200 be delving too deep into any really bad spoilers, and 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:49.280 they're all great shows, so you should go and watch them. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.839 Hello, my name is Rosie Knight, and don't all a 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.880 nique oh wow, And. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.800 Welcome back to xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive deep, deep, deep, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:04.160 deep deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:09.400 Where we are at iHeartRadio, bringing you two episodes every week, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.680 every Tuesday and Thursday, and sometimes you even get more 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.080 episodes because you're so lucky. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:15.880 You are really lucky. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.920 In today's episode, in the previously on, Rosie and I 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.160 are gonna chat about the impact of Umbrella Academy. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:23.440 Then we've got a. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:28.520 Great interview with Umbrella Academy's David Kestenada, and finally we'll 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.080 be in the back matter recommending some shows you should 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.119 watch if you enjoyed Umbrella Academy. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.520 But first previously on. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.600 I kind of can't believe Umbrella Academy is over. It's 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.360 one of those shows. I know it hasn't been on 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.919 as long as Stranger Things, but we've had it for 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.640 so long and it's had such a journey. Like I 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.760 remember when they announced their like Driidway's comic book, a 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.280 smash Hit is gonna be a Netflix TV show. I said, 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.520 how are they gonna do this? You need a lot 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.040 of young actors who are super talented. It's so like 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.840 edgy and kind of goth. I wonder if that'll hit 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.480 on a larger scale audience. And man, but that first 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.320 season hit, it hit big. People were instantly obsessed. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.400 Yeah. I think this was one of those ones where 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.320 Netflix said it was like forty five million households had 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.359 watched it in the first month of release, which back 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.920 in twenty nineteen was actually a lot. Now we're getting 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.240 these even crazier numbers. But yeah, I mean, I think 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.560 part of the reason The Umbrella Academy feels like it's 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.480 been on for so long is because it did hit 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.520 in February twenty nineteen, and five years later, you know, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.960 we're getting the finale and we've lived through many, many 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:42.080 unprecedented experiences since then, We've lived through like ten years 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.000 of history in that five years, so I think it 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.680 feels like it's been around with us for such a 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:51.280 long time. I mean, Anklet got six Emmy nominations along 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.760 the way too, Like it really did become a big hit, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.720 And yeah, it was great that they adapted something so 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.440 fantastical by Jared Way the artist Gabriel Barr, who I 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.639 just absolutely adore, And basically, in case you haven't watched it, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.400 I'm going to tell you should probably have watched it 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.240 if you're listening to this, but in case you haven't, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.040 it's about a kind of old universe where on a 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.760 certain day, children are born all around the world with superpowers, 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:23.560 and a shady man goes around and find these children. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.880 His name is Sir Reginald Hargreaves, goes around October first, 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.160 nineteen eighty nine, and basically like buys the children from 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.639 their families. He manages to get hold of seven of them, 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.160 and then he creates this superhero team known as the 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.160 Umbrella Academy. But what's different about this is this is 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.040 a dysfunctional family. This is what if the X Men 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.680 was real, Like how would it actually impact you to 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.360 be raised like someone like Charles Xavier. So yeah, it's 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.160 really just like a really impactful, interesting kind of love 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.160 letter to comics and superheroes and strangeness by Gerard Way 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:04.560 and then adapted for Netflix. And yeah, it's very interesting 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.400 and it has recently come to a close in what 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.520 was quite a divisive season. But Juelle, what was like 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:16.240 your biggest takeaway from Umbrella Academy and its impact? 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:17.279 Oh? 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.479 Man, they Okay, first, it gave us Robert Sheehan, who 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.480 I will follow off a cliff. I hope that they 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.679 find many many more parts for Robert over the years 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:28.400 where he can. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:32.040 Be I'm gonna bless you with Misfits. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.040 Okay, yes, yes, I'm very excited to get into Misfits 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.159 and the joys of that. I really like this actor. 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.680 I love Klaus and like very class obsessed, so that 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:45.120 was really delightful. I also really appreciate the way this 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:50.680 show evolved with Elliott Page, like when he was publicly transitioning, 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.160 which I can't even imagine. You know, He's had such 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.919 a long career in the spotlight to transition public like 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.640 that has to be a very daunting experience. Given our 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:03.040 current cultures approach to trans folks, it's really you know, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.760 it's a lot and the shows like just embraced him 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.040 with open arms. They went back and they changed all 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.720 of the early credits so that his name was accurately portrayed, 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.560 his character was allowed to transition in a very natural way. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.760 They didn't make that a plot point, thank goodness. They 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.520 were all like he all the siblings feel the exact 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.039 same way they did before, and we're moving forward. And 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.000 it was really nice as a fan and as a 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.200 viewer to have that experience and to know that that's 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.560 sort of a blueprint out there for other shows in 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:32.120 the future. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.200 You don't have to get. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.000 Rid of a character or put them through some kind 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.000 of trauma or change who they are as a being. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.960 You can just adjust the agenda and move forward. And 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.320 I thought that was really beautiful. So Legacy the show 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:43.799 he's behind. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:48.520 That definitely was a really radical moment. I also think 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.520 that this is a great show when you talk about 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.480 a show that learned and moved forward as it went. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.479 They listened to kind of audience critiques, but not in 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.400 a way that was to do with fans. But I 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:05.159 think a lot about Ben played by you know, Justin 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:11.440 h Minn, who's so fantastic, and Ben died and a 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.200 lot of people talked about how he wasn't necessarily very 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.520 well developed character, how they'd kind of pushed him to 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.240 the side as an Asian American character. So they just 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.320 bought Ben back, and they have multiple different versions of Ben, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:24.560 and they recognized that Justin h Minn was like a 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.000 vital part of this cast, and I thought that was 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.560 a really cool way that they did that. I also 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.800 love Reto Aya as Leli. I think she's like one 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.760 of my favorite characters. Yeah introduced in the show. I 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.360 thought she was so fantastic. I mean, I just I'm 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.240 a sucker. We've talked about this recently on the Alien 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.440 Romulus podcast. We'll be talking about more in our back mouth. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.400 But I just love a show with like kids trying 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.159 their best, especially if they're like fucked up kids. So 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.760 every time I would watch The Umbrella Academy or I 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.200 would get asked to cover it, I would just end 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.400 up feeling like a lot of love for these characters, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.760 and I think that will be the ultimate takeaway. And 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.880 I also think that people love the characters so much 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.400 that I think That's why with the ending of the 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.320 season and the choice that they made of how to 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.560 end it, I think that's why people were so affected 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.440 by it and why it became such a conversation start, 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.600 because people do love these characters. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.760 Yeah, listen, the show knew how to bring the drama. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:26.840 It balanced for the most part really well, both traveling 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.640 across different dimensions and time and space, which is really 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.240 a challenge to do. I think another highlight of the 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.360 show that doesn't get talked about enough is their ability 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.679 to cast like secondary characters, Like if you think about 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:45.440 the secondary Megan Moll, Lally, Nick Offerman, Kate Walsh, Genesis Rodriguez, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.920 David Cross, Mary and Ireland. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.480 The list is it's long. Mary j. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.160 Blige was in season one. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.760 That's what I was gonna say. Also, like this season, 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.720 when you know they did the Sparrows, I thought they 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.040 did so Yeah, good stuff. Also, one of my favorite 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.960 actors who I discovered during the American remake of this 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.720 weird British show called Utopia, which came out a very 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.560 bad time, during the most badly time, during the pandemics, 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.440 So most people didn't watch it because it was about 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.840 how vaccines were evil, but Javonne Woner Walton was in 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.920 that show and he's so unbelievable And they brought him 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:26.080 on in season three basically as a kid like posing 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.559 as Diego and Leela's son, and he is so good, 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.960 Like I will watch him in anything. I think people 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.679 most know him now. He was in Euphoria. Yes he 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.239 played Ashtray, but he is like just so unbelievably fantastic. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.400 And that was another time where like when he popped up, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.760 I was just like, oh, like they know what they're doing, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.520 like they they are whoever is casting this show. The 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:54.760 casting director is legit, like so unbelievably powerful, and I 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.199 think is a large part of why the show has 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:59.480 been so popular. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.280 Yeah, you know, I'm gonna miss it. 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.360 I really enjoyed it while we had it, but I'm 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.040 looking forward to seeing you know, Netflix is a space 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.400 that's very near and dear to Netflix's heart, this sort 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.640 of nerd youth space. They've done a lot of whores, 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:17.559 think about your sabrinas, your Wednesdays. So it's a space 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.880 right for new inventions. So while we will miss Umbrella Academy, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.840 it's still on Netflix. You can go back and enjoy 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.720 it and all of it's glory. Stick around after this break, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:29.800 we're going to have a conversation. 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.720 With David Castanada. We're very excited. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.480 He was so generous with his time, so yeah, stick out, 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:35.960 we'll hear at that. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.640 Hey, David, how's it going. Thank you so much for 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:55.440 joining me today. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.920 Well, thanks for having me, Rosie. It's going great. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.079 Yeah, it's an absolutely, it's a delight. I'm so excited 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.440 to talk to you. We're huge fans of Umbrella Academy here, 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.640 so just really delighted to dig into the final season. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.400 When we usually interview people here, we kind of asked them, like, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.640 what's your origin story? Like if you were a comic 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.880 book character, what's your origin story, Like, what was the 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.160 thing that drove you to acting? What was the thing 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:21.280 that made you who you are? 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:27.719 I mean, I think what drove me was I think 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.080 there was a lot of shifting when I was growing up. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.880 There was a lot of a lot of moving around. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.160 I got to live in many, many households before I 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.280 moved to Mexico when I was seven yees seven years old, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.000 and so I think the origin was more so about 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:52.400 trying to fit in, you know, trying to understand what 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:56.120 my surroundings were, and that's sort of becoming sort of 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:01.000 a superpower where I could show up to room and 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.720 sort of digest it and very quickly sort of understand 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:10.640 the rules of the room. And that was something that 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:16.400 I very much was very acute too, especially you know, 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.080 even when I came back to move to live in 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.840 the US in two thousand and four, two thousand and three, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.520 and and you know, in terms of acting, that's sort 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:27.680 of what acting is. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.920 Yeah, that's why I was going to say, Yeah, it 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.400 sounds like it would be a very useful skill as 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.040 you kind of embarked on your career. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.080 Yeah. I mean, it's sort of if you show up 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.000 to a set, you know, you take in the set, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.800 you take in the scene, you take in your scene partners, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:45.920 and then you sort of just go from there and 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.320 you start you start realizing, Okay, what's my role in 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.480 this in the entire space that I'm that I'm in 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.120 right now. And I don't know if that's a true 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.160 superhero origin story, but it definitely was a power that 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.240 I was able to sort of nurture as I as 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:05.040 I got older. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.240 Yeah, I mean that sounds really unique. And also as well, 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.559 I could imagine it's very useful on a show like 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.720 Umbrella Academy where you're building relationships that go on for 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.720 you know, seasons. Yeah, and trying to So what's it 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.600 been like going on that journey, you know, getting cast 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.199 as Diego, filming the first season and kind of growing 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.480 in this space of a found family show to actually 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.440 continue that journey with those actors as a family for 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:35.720 you know, four seasons. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.400 Well, it sort of feels like you're going to school, 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.880 you know, you start off freshman year, no one really 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.000 knows each other. You're you know, you're kind of trying 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.840 to you know, test the waters. You want to relate 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.640 to them. But also you understand that everyone is from 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.040 all over the world, you know, from different cultures and backgrounds, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:05.120 and so as as I can't relate to certain cultures like, 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.840 for example, like Robert Sheehan's culture, you know, but as 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.800 the years go by, there is a relatability because now 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.600 we have the show to sort of fall back on, 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:20.480 and being able to form friendships was something that you know, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.160 it took, it became more organic because when we first 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.200 came into the first season, because no one knew who 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.440 you know, we had never met there was this sort 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:36.320 of awkward pace within all of us and we were 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.280 trying to get to know each other. But it works 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.800 so well with the show. And as the show progressed 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.920 to the second season the third season, you sort of 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:48.520 started seeing everyone sort of jail and that was instinctually 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.679 what we were doing as actors within our own dynamics 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.680 outside of the scenes. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.520 Yeah, and what does it feel like now to kind 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.199 of the show was returning after two years and it's 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.520 the final season, Like, how does it feel as an 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.040 actor to have crafted a character like Diego and taken 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.000 him from that awkward first season to this kind of 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:12.760 final part of his story. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.040 I mean, it's better sweet. It's better sweet because once 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.440 you sort of get the groove of the whole of 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.480 the of the character. I've been very lucky that the 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.880 writers and the creator, Steve Blackman, has sort of allowed 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.600 me to to sort of or it just sort of 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.040 seems things inside of me to feel like, oh, you know, actually, 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:40.040 Diego isn't He's more likable than not, so let's let's 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.240 add these things. And also there's a there's a comedy 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.320 within his seriousness that let's let's let's dive into that 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.840 and and so the changes in Diego's personality through the 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:57.880 seasons has been such a wonderful surprise that it didn't 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.640 it wasn't just stale playing the same thing over and 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.120 over again. And I don't know if I'll ever get 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.520 that opportunity to do something like that, but I do 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.120 feel very proud that that this character and the story 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.760 and also the all of these characters exists now on 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.560 Netflix that people can go and watch and can enjoy 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.480 with like the entire family. Because that's I think that's 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.720 the biggest compliment that I've gotten with people, is like 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.360 adults will come up to me and say, you know, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.200 this is the only show I watch with my kids. 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.440 You know, we all have our own separate shows. I 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.640 don't watch their shows, they don't watch my shows. But 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.120 this is the only show that we all get together 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:41.000 and we binge. And that's a massive compliment because I'm 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.920 you know, it's obviously because it's all about the dysfunction 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.400 of the family. Yeah that I don't know. I mean, 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.880 you know, I'm a big family guy, so I you know, yeah. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.360 It brings people together. That's you know, We're lucky, like 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.680 with this show, doing this show with comic books and 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.920 comic book TV and stuff. I get a lot of 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.480 moms who message me and they go, oh my god, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.680 we listened to this, you know, with my I listened 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.560 to this with my kid. And that's and then we 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.040 like read the comic books together and we watch the shows. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.880 So it is like a very special feeling, right to 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.640 know that you're making something that kind of bridges that gap. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.520 Yeah for sure. Yeah. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.560 I was just going to say, like, so that's a 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.960 part of this that I guess is again different from 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.320 other TV shows, is this is a there's a very 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.320 active fandom with Umbrella Academy, with the comics, you know, 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.640 it's that kind of comic con show. What's it been 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.400 like to get those responses, to get people kind of 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.360 telling you about what the show means to them. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:41.200 Well, I think of in sort of like, you know, 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.080 when you get a compliment, you know, we're so we're 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.320 so easy to like take in a criticism over a compliment, 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.280 and and that's that's been able. I've been able to 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.840 try to sort of you know, rewire my brain and 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:57.200 trying to take in when someone really appreciates the show 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.040 and take it for what they mean, it for what 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:05.720 they mean by it because when the show first came out, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.840 I didn't I mean, I don't think many of us 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.280 thought that it was going to be what it was 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.159 going to be. We sort of were just kind of 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:13.880 just I mean, at least for me, I just needed 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.959 a job. And then as as the seasons progress, and 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.560 you know, obviously as the season progressed, and like you know, 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.280 second season, we were in lockdown. So there wasn't like 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:29.280 a lot of interaction with live interaction with people saying, 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.480 oh I love the show. It was more so just 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.280 online that I got to see, like oh man, like 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.600 this is wow. People are really being affected by this 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.160 in a positive way. I did get one experience where 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.560 like someone did ask me to write my signature on 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.439 their body because they said they were going to get 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:53.560 a tattooed on that and I said no, I was like, 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.040 I'm not doing that. And then and then they showed me, 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.959 which is so funny. They showed me Robert she Han's 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:05.360 signature on their forearm and they said, look, Renal Klaus 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.720 did it too, And I was like, well, if Klaus 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.800 did it, will give me that pen and I signed. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.200 My You're like, of course I have to. 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.359 Yeah. When he did it. I was like, I guess 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.000 I have to do it now. I was like, yeah, sure, 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:19.920 I don't want. I don't want just Robert she Hen's name. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.520 I didn't put David in there too. There you go, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.840 you know, but that was Yeah, that was a pretty 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.840 wild one. Yeah. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.040 People willing to kind of have that on their body 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.119 forever because of how much they love the show is 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:33.120 kind of the ultimate compliment. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.200 Yeah, as much as they enjoyed it. I mean, this 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.560 show did change everything in my life and I'm very 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:42.719 grateful for so, I know I can relate to their uh, 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.320 you know, gratitude towards it. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.480 Yeah, and how you kind of touched on this, but 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.800 like especially in the new season, and this will drop 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:52.679 when the new season is out, so we can kind 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.200 of talk a little bit about it. But that comedic 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.560 element of Diego is really there, and you kind of 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.320 get to explore this other side of him. Six years later, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.159 he's this dad. He's listening to Baby Shock and the 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.120 Van like he loves the mini van. Could you talk 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.679 a little bit about getting to play with that and 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.640 kind of craft this different side. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.080 Well, Rosie, it tells me that you've seen a few episodes. 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:15.600 I'm guessing. 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, good Yeah, I'm lucky. I've 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.000 seen it. I've seen I loved I've seen six. Yeah, 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.119 I thought it was like perfect. Oh really, I'm a 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.320 huge fan. Yeah, I adored it. I thought it was 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.639 I mean, it might actually be the best season honestly. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.800 Oh man, there's something about it that just seeing everyone 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.320 back together and kind of the journeys everyone gets to 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:37.840 go on is really special. 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.640 Well that's really nice, Rosie. I appreciate I've only seen three, 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.359 so you're way ahead of me on this. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:43.040 Oh my goodness. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.240 Yeah, which is so funny. Obviously, you know, I got 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.000 to read other scripts and do the whole thing. But 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:54.480 I feel like Diego's realization, or at least what he 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:56.800 I mean, I think a lot of the effort that 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.760 was put into this was like, you know, the grass 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.480 is never greener on the other side, And I think 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.520 I think Diego's sort of idea because it's you know, 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.840 he's missing his powers, you know, and he's sort of 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:14.720 in the space of resentment and and and he's trying 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.320 his best to be the best dad and the best husband, 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:21.000 but he's failing miserably, especially being a spouse, and so 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.280 he obviously believes it's you know, so much care goes 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:30.880 into his ability to be a dad that he's forgetting himself. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.760 You know, he's forgetting really he's sort of stuck at 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.679 this idea, I have to be a superhero. If not, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:41.360 I'm not defined, but I'm sort of worthless. But his journey, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.280 it's not so much of like, oh, you look how 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.920 amazing your family is and your wife and all these things. 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.240 But I think his biggest thing was like he just 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.520 forgot to honor himself and to really discover who he 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.520 is aside from the powers. And I think that's sort 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:00.879 of the I guess underneath all the comedy, you know, 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.119 that sort of what drives him in the season of 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.439 like just he's trying to find himself, you know, with 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.760 the FBI thing and the whole I mean to me, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.760 that was probably one of the funnest things, you know, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.800 working with Tom Hopper and doing those little gags between 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.800 Luther and Diego. I never I never get old, I know, 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.160 I never get tired of doing anything with that. 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.760 Guy, you know, mm hmmm, yeah. I Mean the relationships 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.440 that you guys kind of craft on the screen feel 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.040 so organic and it feels you know, as soon as 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.960 you said, oh, Robert Sheehan, you know had done the tatto, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:35.680 Klaus had done it. I was like, well, of course 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:37.840 you have to do it. You know, that comes across 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.159 that kind of friendship. And obviously with a lot of 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.359 that you're doing it's Diego and Laila. Yeah, this season 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.600 and kind of building this kind of really complex I 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.360 think as well for a lot of viewers, I mean, 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.120