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Speaker 1: Warning, this episode contains mild spoilers, probably for the Umbrella

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Speaker 1: Academy TV show and some other series that we will

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Speaker 1: be recommending, including spoiler alert, Legion, Misfits, Magicians, A Death Note,

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Speaker 1: and Shadow and Bone, So if you haven't watched those shows,

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Speaker 1: go in with that in mind. But we probably won't

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Speaker 1: be delving too deep into any really bad spoilers, and

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Speaker 1: they're all great shows, so you should go and watch them.

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Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Rosie Knight, and don't all a

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Speaker 2: nique oh wow, And.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive deep, deep, deep,

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Speaker 1: deep deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Where we are at iHeartRadio, bringing you two episodes every week,

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday and Thursday, and sometimes you even get more

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Speaker 1: episodes because you're so lucky.

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Speaker 3: You are really lucky.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, in the previously on, Rosie and I

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Speaker 2: are gonna chat about the impact of Umbrella Academy.

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Speaker 3: Then we've got a.

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Speaker 2: Great interview with Umbrella Academy's David Kestenada, and finally we'll

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Speaker 2: be in the back matter recommending some shows you should

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Speaker 2: watch if you enjoyed Umbrella Academy.

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Speaker 1: But first previously on.

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Speaker 2: I kind of can't believe Umbrella Academy is over. It's

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Speaker 2: one of those shows. I know it hasn't been on

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Speaker 2: on a larger scale audience. And man, but that first

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Speaker 2: season hit, it hit big. People were instantly obsessed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think this was one of those ones where

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Speaker 1: Netflix said it was like forty five million households had

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Speaker 1: part of the reason The Umbrella Academy feels like it's

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Speaker 1: in February twenty nineteen, and five years later, you know,

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Speaker 1: unprecedented experiences since then, We've lived through like ten years

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it was great that they adapted something so

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, but in case you haven't,

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Speaker 1: it's about a kind of old universe where on a

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Speaker 1: and a shady man goes around and find these children.

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Speaker 1: His name is Sir Reginald Hargreaves, goes around October first,

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Speaker 1: and then he creates this superhero team known as the

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Speaker 1: Umbrella Academy. But what's different about this is this is

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Speaker 1: a dysfunctional family. This is what if the X Men

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Speaker 2: Man, they Okay, first, it gave us Robert Sheehan, who

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Speaker 1: That definitely was a really radical moment. I also think

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Speaker 1: every time I would watch The Umbrella Academy or I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, the show knew how to bring the drama.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna miss it.

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Speaker 3: With David Castanada. We're very excited.

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Speaker 4: we'll lists lean into that. You know, what is that?

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Speaker 4: How do you find that? And I think the more

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Speaker 4: you lean into it, the funnier it gets. And and

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not here to speak about anyone's relationship

436
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Speaker 4: or anyone's marriage, but I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: qualities in there that a lot of people can see

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Speaker 4: in themselves of how they you know, the dynamics within them,

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Speaker 4: and you know, and the humor in it also.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's that there is a lot

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Speaker 1: of humor in like the mundanity of just like trying

442
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Speaker 1: to live your life, you know, and obviously in a

443
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Speaker 1: superhero show you don't always get to explore that, but

444
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Speaker 1: here we kind of do. Whether it's you know, Alison

445
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Speaker 1: doing trying to just audition audition, or there's actually like

446
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Speaker 1: a normality we get in those first couple of episodes

447
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Speaker 1: before of course, everything kind of blows back.

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Speaker 4: I mean the second the second episode to me is

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Speaker 4: my I mean, it's obviously it starts with a bank.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So what I'll ask you then, is, seeing

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Speaker 1: as it's the we're coming to the end, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: of the show, what are your next plans? Like what

453
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Speaker 1: are you most excited to do, like leaving Diego behind?

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Speaker 1: What is David?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I mean I want to direct, you know, I

456
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Speaker 4: want to direct. Obviously, there's there's there's some projects in

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Speaker 4: terms of acting that I'm I'm you know, very excited

458
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Speaker 4: to start and some that I've already finished and are

459
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Speaker 4: going to come out next year. But in terms of

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Speaker 4: just like for my own selfish journey, yeah, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm really I'm really close to finishing my first

462
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Speaker 4: feature in terms of my my wow and so you know,

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Speaker 4: getting that off the ground and you know, getting cameras

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Speaker 4: up and cameras rolling. I feel like that's going to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, coming very very soon.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us. Congrats on

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Speaker 1: Umbrella Academy, and good luck with everything that comes next.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Rosie, I appreciate. Hopefully I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 6: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be

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Speaker 6: right back, and we are back.

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Speaker 3: Thanks David. That was a great interview.

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Speaker 2: We really liked Social Love you a warm human being.

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Speaker 2: Now we're headed into the back matter to make some recommendations.

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Speaker 2: So we were thinking, you know now that there is

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Speaker 2: this gap in our young people try their hardest in

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Speaker 2: a school or found family situation.

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Speaker 3: We decided specific niche listen. It's specific but strong. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of content here, so we.

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Speaker 2: Decided to take a look back at some shows we

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Speaker 2: liked in the genre and mix some recommendations. If you

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Speaker 2: need to fill this space while on Netflix is cooking.

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Speaker 2: So Rosie, you you had oh, you were popping off

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Speaker 2: with ideas.

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Speaker 3: Where do you want to set it?

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Speaker 1: I love this I'm going to start with Misfits because

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Speaker 1: it is where Robert Sheehan got his start. I absolutely

487
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Speaker 1: love this show. It's an old British TV show, and

488
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Speaker 1: I can say it's old now, fine, two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 3: That's not I was just started in college.

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Speaker 1: I'm no baby, baby that was fifteen years ago. Sixteen

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Speaker 1: years ago, my pal. So basically, it's a show about

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Speaker 1: a group of young offenders who are sentenced to do

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Speaker 1: community service where and while they're doing it there is

494
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Speaker 1: a strange storm and they gain superpowers. Right now, this

495
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Speaker 1: is like literally comes out one year after The Dark Night,

496
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Speaker 1: one year after Iron Man, so it was in production

497
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Speaker 1: kind of before them, so you get a pre emcu vision.

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Speaker 1: It is exceptionally working class. It has an unbelievable cast.

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Speaker 1: It has Nathan Stewart Jarrett who's an absolutely fantastic actor.

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Speaker 1: He plays Curtis. It has Iwan Rian who plays Simon

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Speaker 1: Bell and Me who would go on to Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 1: It has Lauren Sosha as Kelly Bailey, Antonia Thomas as

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Speaker 1: Alisha Daniels, Robert she and is Nathan Young and as

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Speaker 1: we get later into the season, they are it's another

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Speaker 1: show with brilliant casting. We get to see Joseph Gilgan,

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Speaker 1: who people know from Preacher. He's in here. And basically

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Speaker 1: the thing that's really cool about this is powers that

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Speaker 1: they get are all kind of directly related to who

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Speaker 1: they are. So there is when it comes to somebody

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Speaker 1: like Alisha, she's very beautiful, so her power is an

511
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Speaker 1: awful power, which is anytime anyone touches her, they just

512
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Speaker 1: become obsessed with her and they want to fuck her now.

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Speaker 1: And it's like this kind of horrific existential power. And hilariously,

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Speaker 1: Robert's character, Nathan, he kind of doesn't have a power,

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Speaker 1: or he does, but he doesn't know it. And I

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Speaker 1: will say I was. Me and my friend Bianca have

517
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Speaker 1: both been rewatching this, and Bianca to point out a

518
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Speaker 1: good thing that I think is worthwhile to bring up here.

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Speaker 1: This is definitely dated in that it has a casual

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Speaker 1: use of like certain like slus, not like terrible slus,

521
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Speaker 1: but that kind of like don't teens use slus? Like

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Speaker 1: isn't that what they do? Isn't that edgy, and this

523
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: was from an era of like Skins. It's from the

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Speaker 1: same TV Shows channel as Skins, so it definitely is

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Speaker 1: a little bit dated in that way. But generally I

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Speaker 1: do still think it's one of the best superhero shows

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Speaker 1: ever made. There are some truly horrific, weird episodes. There's

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Speaker 1: an episode with a character who can control the lactose

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Speaker 1: in people's bodies that to this day is one of

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Speaker 1: the most scary episodes of TV I've ever seen. There

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Speaker 1: are fantastic long term arcs here. The kids are also

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Speaker 1: It's rare that you get to see a bunch of

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Speaker 1: working class kids trying to make their way. They have

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Speaker 1: to contend against the parole officer and also kind of

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Speaker 1: the shenanigans of other people who've gotten these powers. I

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Speaker 1: will also say that Elisha Simon arc is still one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite arcs in any series for a pair

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Speaker 1: of characters, and it was very hard for me when

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Speaker 1: I went on to play you know, Ramsey Bolton one

540
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Speaker 1: of the worst villains of all time and that would

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Speaker 1: obviously define him forever, when Simon is just such a

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Speaker 1: fantastic character in my opinion. But yeah, I love Misfits.

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Speaker 1: I would definitely recommend it. I believe there may have

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Speaker 1: been an American remake or talks of an American remake.

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Speaker 3: I believe.

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Speaker 1: My recommendtion. Okay, fantastic news. When I used to write

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Speaker 1: about Misfits, it was never streaming anywhere. It was impossible

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Speaker 1: to find. But now, thanks to the joys of streaming,

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Speaker 1: you can watch it free on Peacock, you can watch

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Speaker 1: it free on Amazon, you can watch it free on

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Speaker 1: Pluto TV. You watch it on Disney Plus, which seems

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Speaker 1: exceptionally strange because it is so out there, a lot

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Speaker 1: of sex, a lot of swearing. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: if you are a Robert Sheham fan like us, if

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Speaker 1: you are a fan of kids with superpowers, if you

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Speaker 1: want to watch a show that's gonna feel totally different

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Speaker 1: to anything else that you've seen, Misfits is that show.

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Speaker 1: So that's my first recommendation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to pick it up with one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite shows of all time.

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Speaker 3: It's The Magicians.

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Speaker 2: If you are no longer allowing yourself to participate in

563
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Speaker 2: the horror show that is JK.

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Speaker 3: Rowling, but you miss your magical world of.

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Speaker 2: Uh chass, Yes, yes, your magical schools of chaos and hope.

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Speaker 2: Uh do I have a show for you? It requires

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Speaker 2: you to be an adult to view it, not four children. Yes,

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Speaker 2: but what if your magical beings were American and they

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Speaker 2: were in grad school.

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Speaker 3: Suddenly everything's on the table.

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Speaker 2: It's super sexy, it's murdery, it's got so much trauma.

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Speaker 2: But because your showrunners are Sarah Gamble and John McNamara,

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Speaker 2: you're in good hands. You probably know Sarah Gamble's work

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Speaker 2: more from you. If you missed The Magicians, you was

575
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Speaker 2: her next big project. You see how she handles a sabby,

576
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Speaker 2: stabby murder. Some of you are in love with him.

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Speaker 2: That's not Sarah's fault. She's trying to tell you that's

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Speaker 2: a bad person.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm just saying that. It has a

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Speaker 1: lot to do with pem Bagley. He's a good at

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Speaker 1: playing like a a.

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Speaker 2: Wed murderer and he's fine as hell. Listen, she casts well,

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Speaker 2: she casts beautiful people.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: So namara wrote Trumbo if you're a person who really

586
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: likes old school Hollywood cinema and the political dramas, he

587
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: nailed that. But then he also wrote on Super the

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Speaker 2: Lowest and Clark the Avengers of Superman.

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Speaker 3: So he's oh my god, I have read.

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Speaker 1: I watched that show quite religiously. It's now streaming. Deankane sucks.

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Speaker 1: But I ignore that because to me, that is where a

592
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Speaker 1: lot of my format of Superman feelings came from. But

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Speaker 1: I think you've got a great recommendation here. I really

594
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Speaker 1: love the Magicians. I got to visit the Magicians set

595
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Speaker 1: a couple of times, early days of TV writing, and

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Speaker 1: this is a great what if you know Hogwarts was

597
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Speaker 1: grad school. There's sex, there's queerness, there's murder. And also,

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Speaker 1: don't be dismayed. We know people who listen to this show.

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00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: You love an inclusive cast, you love a diverse class.

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00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: The main in character of this show is essentially a trick.

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Speaker 1: You're not sees to like him. That is not really

602
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Speaker 1: your main in character, and the people around him are

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Speaker 1: what make the show special, as well as the inner

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Speaker 1: workings and politics of this secondary world of magic. Who

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Speaker 1: are the hedge witches? Who are the people who can't

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Speaker 1: get a school? Yeah, it's a system. What is the

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Speaker 1: class system in a world where magic exists? And how

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Speaker 1: do we define who's allowed to use it? I do

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Speaker 1: think this is such a fantastic cool recommendation and also

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Speaker 1: has a lot of fun metatext about like what if

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Speaker 1: a book that you read as a kid was actually

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Speaker 1: real life.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it really engages with the fandom, and I think

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Speaker 2: the show looked out by cast. The main group of

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Speaker 2: people you follow around the school and through this universe

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Speaker 2: are so connected with the fandom.

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Speaker 3: They were really.

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Speaker 2: Engaging at all of your comic con conventions on the socials,

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Speaker 2: like they cared about this show.

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Speaker 3: They loved it.

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Speaker 2: And there are many musical episodes if you're a musically

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Speaker 2: inclined person, as I am so much singing, and it's

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Speaker 2: all delightful and fun. A great rewatch too. If you

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Speaker 2: haven't seen it in a couple of years, maybe you're like,

625
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: let me revisit the It's fabulous, an underly perfect show.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to every summar Tella mave icons Argent Gupta

627
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Speaker 2: such a sweetheart of me too, She's really wonderful and

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Speaker 2: like Hale Applebomb, I'm sorry, Hal Appleman as Elliott easily

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Episode character of the show.

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Speaker 2: I feel like agreed agreed, yeah, that everyone was sort

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Speaker 2: of an Elliott stand for reasons that become immediately apparent

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Speaker 2: as soon as you've been watching the show. Oh and

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Speaker 2: then of course Jay Taylor let me not forget the

635
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Speaker 2: great she is so lovely as well.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, check out the magicians. What's our next wreck?

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Speaker 1: Next wreck is going to be We're going to go

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Speaker 1: for an anime because I feel like we're always trying

639
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: to get more people to listen who listen to the

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Speaker 1: show to watch anime, I'm gonna go for Death Note. Yes,

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Speaker 1: if you're a fan of the darker aspects of Umbrella Academy,

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00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of the strangeness, the weird, magical

643
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Speaker 1: aspects of powers, how do they work? Who gets them?

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Speaker 1: Are they evil? Are they good? Death Note is definitely

645
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: a fantastic show for you. It's also a great starter

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Speaker 1: anime because it's super engaging. It's based on the manga

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Speaker 1: which was also a smash hit by Oh I Can

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Speaker 1: Remember Oh by Sugomi Ahoba and Takashi Abata, and it

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Speaker 1: is about a student called Light Yagami. He's a genius.

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Speaker 1: He discovers a mysterious notebook which is called the Death Note,

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Speaker 1: and it once belonged to a demon called Riuk. And

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Speaker 1: if you write somebody's name in the death note. Then

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Speaker 1: they die, and while it might sound slightly different to

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Speaker 1: Umbrella Academy vibes, wise, you quickly learn that there are

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Speaker 1: other death notes, there are other people using them. We

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Speaker 1: also get an iconic detective character in the form of El,

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Speaker 1: who's a student who wants to stop the murders that

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Speaker 1: Light is committing. It's a great cat and mouse story.

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Speaker 1: It's a fantastic murder mystery entry point for anime, and

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Speaker 1: it's got very similar kind of dark goffy emo vibes

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Speaker 1: to Umbrella.

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Speaker 3: There are school uniforms involved.

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Speaker 1: You can check it out good schools.

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Speaker 3: Check out death Note. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: What's our next pick?

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Speaker 3: Joelle? Legion? Okay.

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Speaker 2: Because of the controversial ending of Umbrella Academy and because

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Speaker 2: of the time travel space woo wu kind of vibes,

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Speaker 2: Legion's a good select. If you're missing Umbrella Academy, you

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Speaker 2: can debate and ending all over again. It is one

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Speaker 2: of the most beautiful TV.

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Speaker 3: Shows of all time.

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Speaker 2: Like from a production standpoint, yes, from a cinematography standpoint,

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Speaker 2: From a special and visual effects standpoint like, this show

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Speaker 2: really firing on all cylinders. It gives you your superhero

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Speaker 2: aspects this is the son of Charles Xavier slight spoiler alert,

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Speaker 2: but this is a very old comic, So here we go. Basically,

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Speaker 2: you start with him in mental institute. You're trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out why he's there. Mysteries abound, found families occur,

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Speaker 2: there are betrayals, so much drama.

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Speaker 1: It's extremely surreal and strange and abstract. Also very interesting

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Speaker 1: historical document because this was made when Fox was still

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Speaker 1: its own separate company and when Disney had been vying

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Speaker 1: to get the rights back to The X Men. But

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Speaker 1: there was an interesting period where this and The Gifted

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Speaker 1: got made, which were two ex memb related TV shows

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Speaker 1: that Fox had never been able to make before. So

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Speaker 1: Legion exists in this very interesting place. There also incredible

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Speaker 1: cost Aubreyor.

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Speaker 3: Is here, Gene Smart is.

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Speaker 1: Here, Jermaine Clement, and obviously our main character is played

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Speaker 1: by legendary weirdo character player Dan Stevens, who we just

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Speaker 1: absolutely adore, and yeah, like what this is a total ride.

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Speaker 1: I will also say, if you are someone who has

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Speaker 1: followed Umbrella Academy and you were maybe dismayed with the

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Speaker 1: bleakness of the ending, but you were intrigued by it,

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Speaker 1: how did that make you feel. Then I will say

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Speaker 1: Legion is another show for you. It's a show that

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Speaker 1: was not afraid of upsetting its audience or changing the

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Speaker 1: perspective through which we've looked at the show. So definitely

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Speaker 1: worth checking out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and finally we have Shadow and Bone another.

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Speaker 3: Netflixha oh baby.

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Speaker 1: Netflix has really been killing it with Okay, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do a duo. You're actually gonna get

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Speaker 1: two here because I do love Shadow and Bone. I

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Speaker 1: love Shadow and Bone. It's fantastic. It has Archie Renault,

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Speaker 1: who has recently seen in the wonderful Alien Romulus that

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Speaker 1: we really enjoyed. He played Tyler. It is a fantastic

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Speaker 1: adaptation of Lee Bardigo's books. It melds her Shadow and

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Speaker 1: Bone series with her Six of Crows series, which were

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Speaker 1: tangentially connected, but here you get them at the same time.

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Speaker 1: The Six of Crows series is widely seen as the

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Speaker 1: more superior series. It's I love both, but it's a

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Speaker 1: fantastic heist. It's about criminals, it's about kids trying to survive,

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Speaker 1: and she don't. Bonus set in a world where magic

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Speaker 1: exists and there are essentially magical armies and if you

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Speaker 1: are able to do magic. You end up in a

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Speaker 1: special army that's led by a magical, hunky, sexy, mysterious man.

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Speaker 4: Sign me up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And our main character Alena, Oh my god, why I

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Speaker 1: like read these books like.

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Speaker 3: Fifty millis I understand it.

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Speaker 1: We are getting old. Okay, So Alena. Yes, our main character,

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Speaker 1: Elena Starkoff, she is She discovers that she has this

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Speaker 1: massive magical power that could help them rid the world

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Speaker 1: of this villain called the Darkling, and she has pulled

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Speaker 1: along into this magical fantasy world where people have powers

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Speaker 1: and they're a magical creature and there is essentially a

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Speaker 1: wizard war occurring. It's absolutely delightful. I think the show

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Speaker 1: is fantastic. It got canceled off to two seasons, which

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Speaker 1: is heartbreaking. The cast is brilliant, it's diverse, it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: and I think it is a great pick if you

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Speaker 1: are looking for that found family, magical aspect. But as

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Speaker 1: I was saying, as we were talking about Netflix and

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Speaker 1: that you're getting a two fire, I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: my brilliant friend Abby White, who is a fantastic writer, critic,

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Speaker 1: advocate for disabled writers. They're just generally fantastic and They

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Speaker 1: pointed out that, you know, Netflix is so great at

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Speaker 1: doing these ya stories right, and that reminded me as

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Speaker 1: you brought that up that actually, I think if you

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Speaker 1: love the Umbrella Academy, definitely watch Shadow and Bone because

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Speaker 1: I love it and I love fantasy. But if you're

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Speaker 1: really looking for the Umbrella Academy vibes and you've got

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Speaker 1: a Netflix account, you got to watch their Boy Detectives.

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Speaker 1: That is so queer, so strange, so funny, so magical.

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Speaker 1: It's about two boys who are dead and they are detectives.

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Speaker 1: Gay has this one of them is gay, and it

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Speaker 1: has this fantastic camaraderie at the center, and it is

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Speaker 1: about a found family and it is about the mysteries

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Speaker 1: of your past and overcoming your trauma. And it shares

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Speaker 1: a lot in both esthetic and vibes with Umbrella Academy.

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Speaker 1: So both of those are on Netflix. If you are

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Speaker 1: on Netflix Viewer and you are missing Umbrella Academy, once

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Speaker 1: you've done your rewatch of your favorite episodes, I would

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Speaker 1: say both of those are great picks.

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Speaker 3: That's so great.

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Speaker 2: Dead Boy Detectives also has strong witchy vibes, which is great.

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Speaker 2: They have an anime girly who's like really weird and fun.

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Speaker 2: She's so Then and then it highlights one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite things, which is like your adolescent besties who essentially

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Speaker 2: become your family in the same way like if you're

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Speaker 2: a person who habitually watches friends for the comfy vibes.

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Speaker 2: This has elements of that, where you're like, they're best

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Speaker 2: friends and they'll never betray each other. Look at how

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Speaker 2: look at their love. It's so real. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: it's adorable. I really hope we get more seasons of it.

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Speaker 2: And unlike some shows we got, this year has a

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Speaker 2: great mystery at its core, really fun to watch it

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Speaker 2: unfold throughout the season. Delightful, delightful series, great call. I

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Speaker 2: cannot believe we almost left off Dead Boy Detectives. I'm

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Speaker 2: really proud of you, Rosie.

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Speaker 3: Those are our recommendations.

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Speaker 2: So check out The Magician's Shadow and Bone, Legion, Death Note, Misfits,

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Speaker 2: and of course Dead Boy Detectives Defectives.

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Speaker 3: That's our show. Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, Tuesday, August twenty seventh, we've got The Rings of

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Speaker 2: Power season one recap dropping than this Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Come on back and join us.

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Speaker 2: We've got the Mark Bernard and sitting down with us

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Speaker 2: to recap his episode of Batman The Caped Crusader. Then

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Speaker 2: Rosie and Jason are going to go through the back

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Speaker 2: half of Caped Crusader, and then finally we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: a reaction to the Crow, which I know you've all

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Speaker 2: been waiting for, so stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 3: Don't laugh by the seat of their pants, are just

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Speaker 3: really hit on. Guess who can.

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Speaker 1: Guess how I felt about the Crow. Go to the

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Speaker 1: discord to make your bets on my opinions of the Crow.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on a Monday, guys, We'll see

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Speaker 3: you tomorrow, okay.

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Speaker 7: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Gisumsion and Rosie

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Speaker 7: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive

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Speaker 7: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 7: is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and

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Speaker 7: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 1: and Heidi our discord moderator