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Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd Podcast, Monday Morning. We've got so much stuff today.

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Speaker 1: A keep to Lee talking about NFL free agency. Andrew Marshand,

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Speaker 1: New York Post Media writer on the new NFL deal.

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Speaker 1: What leagues are in trouble post pandemic? NFL clearly not.

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Speaker 1: But I want to start with some thoughts on Lebron

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Speaker 1: James injury, Lakers superstar high ankle sprain out indefinitely. Insurance

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Speaker 1: is something you hope you never actually need until that

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Speaker 1: one time you do. Freak accidents happen to everybody. They're unavoidable.

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Speaker 1: People get sick, cars get broken into, roofs, get damaged.

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Speaker 1: Insurance isn't just peace of mind, because when disaster strikes,

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Speaker 1: which it will, insurance literally saves the day. In the NBA,

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Speaker 1: you can afford to lose one of your stars, you

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Speaker 1: can't afford to lose two. That is of course, unless

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Speaker 1: you have three. When the Brooklyn Nets went out and

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Speaker 1: got James hardened, it wasn't because they needed more talent.

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Speaker 1: It was because they needed an insurance plan. Kd as

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Speaker 1: a history of injuries, Kyrie's in and out of the lineup.

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Speaker 1: James Harden might not be a playoff closer, but he's

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Speaker 1: as reliable as they come in the regular season and

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Speaker 1: keeps you afloat. As for the Lakers, we already know

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Speaker 1: that Anthony Davis's injury prone, brittle, and whether you like

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Speaker 1: to admit it, Lebron James has now suffered two serious

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Speaker 1: injuries in three seasons. Freak accidents happen, and the Lakers

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Speaker 1: have no insurance plan. You want to blame Solomon Hill,

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Speaker 1: but the truth is that Rob Polenka now has a

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Speaker 1: hole in the roof and nothing but pots and pans

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Speaker 1: to catch the water. The Nets got hardened to ensure

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Speaker 1: the success of Kde and Kyrie, the Lakers need Bradley

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Speaker 1: Beale to ensure Lebron and ad go and get a

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Speaker 1: third star. If not, you will have failed Lebron James.

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Speaker 1: Big threes aren't about stacking the deck, They're about protecting

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Speaker 1: your neck well He's always one of my favorite guests.

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Speaker 1: I think he's the most honest, authentic guy I've ever interviewed.

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Speaker 1: And he was a great player, a five time Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl or a Super Bowl champ in Denver. He understands

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Speaker 1: this free agency stuff. He's been pursued multiple times and

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Speaker 1: a keep to leave to Buck the Patriot, Lebronco, the

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Speaker 1: Ram and the Dolphin is now joining us on the

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Speaker 1: callin Coward podcast. So let's start with this. So you

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Speaker 1: got traded if I remember, like mid season to Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, New England. You got traded midseason into

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Speaker 1: New England. And that's interesting because that's a complex system.

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Speaker 1: And I know I've heard that you like New England's

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Speaker 1: free agent hall. But here's my concern. To keep this

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Speaker 1: system in New England is calmplex. Now you you and

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Speaker 1: Randy Moss, for whatever reason, you guys figured it out

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Speaker 1: in an hour. But a lot of guys get lost.

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Speaker 1: And don't you worry a little bit that some of

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Speaker 1: these dudes are gonna come in and it's gonna take

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Speaker 1: them a season to figure out that system. Well look, look, colleague,

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Speaker 1: me and Randy Moss were born on the same day,

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Speaker 1: so we think alike. I'm saying, we're thinking like, but

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Speaker 1: Bill actually makes it really really easy on defense. What

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Speaker 1: I'm saying it's it's it's not hard at all, you

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get to the ground and pounds. That's the

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's a business, right and and sometimes

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Speaker 1: so first couple of practices you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

423
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Speaker 1: whoa whoa. A lot of guys don't have your confidence.

424
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Speaker 1: A lot of guys are undrafted. I wonder how much

425
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Speaker 1: is psychology that some guys just they just fade, man,

426
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: they just don't believe in themselves after that first month.

427
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Speaker 1: That's how but that's how all levels go. Colin. You

428
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: started at youth football. It's the most kids ever playing

429
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Speaker 1: football and youth football right then then some of them

430
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: started not being so good, they started losing confidence. Then boom,

431
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: they go to junior high. Then they give you smaller

432
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Speaker 1: in high school. They didn't even getting smaller in college,

433
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Speaker 1: and then the levels just keep getting smaller and smaller.

434
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Speaker 1: So and that's due to guys feeling like they belong

435
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Speaker 1: and guys feeling like they don't belong. I'm saying that's

436
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Speaker 1: the number one thing I preach to my kids. Bro,

437
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Speaker 1: You're gonna write your own story. If you're in the

438
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Speaker 1: back of your mind you keep telling you, I'm saying,

439
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Speaker 1: oh I can't, I can't, I can't, Then that's what

440
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Speaker 1: your story gonna be. You know what I'm saying. That's

441
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: football is fifty percent confidence. If you're confidence, you can

442
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Speaker 1: do it, and you're probably gonna do it. And I'm saying,

443
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Speaker 1: as soon as you tell yourself you can't, then it's

444
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Speaker 1: just not gonna work, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's one thing that two thousand guys

446
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Speaker 1: have in common at the NFL Club of two thousand

447
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Speaker 1: guys them awesome confident. Motherfucker's Colin everybody. That's how they

448
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Speaker 1: got there, all of them. All Right, finally we're in

449
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Speaker 1: the middle of March madness. You're gonna be you're gonna

450
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Speaker 1: get Hall of Fame votes. And you went to Kansas.

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Speaker 1: That's a basketball school. Now explain that. How the hell

452
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Speaker 1: did you end up at Kansas? Man Mark man Gino,

453
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: he sold it. He he flew down his self head coach.

454
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Speaker 1: Now he flew down himself recruiting me basically himself. Dave

455
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: Doran was my recruiting coordinator. You know what I'm saying.

456
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: But man Gino called me. He did a bunch of

457
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Speaker 1: recruiting itself. Man. Then he was just honest. He was open,

458
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Speaker 1: He was honest. He showed me to told me to

459
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Speaker 1: look at it a different way, Like, you know what

460
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 1: if he played against Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. What if

461
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: he played against Oklahoma on ABC, Oklahoma State on Fox Sports,

462
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: and that you had a k State game on ESPN.

463
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Speaker 1: You had these Now what if you just go kill them?

464
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: You still on TV going ham against thee. What I'm saying,

465
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Speaker 1: if if I'm a scout and I'm looking at Oklahoma play,

466
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Speaker 1: if it's agon on Kansas whooping their ass, I see

467
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Speaker 1: him too, right, So Man Gino kind of made me

468
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Speaker 1: look at it like that. And then my brother was

469
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Speaker 1: in my other ear, like, Bro, Kansas got five senior corners,

470
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: they all gone next year you go in, and then

471
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Speaker 1: what you're gonna be going against Juco guys and more freshmen,

472
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Speaker 1: Like shit, that's you're gonna start forever doing that, you

473
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you're like, if a Juco guy,

474
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Speaker 1: if he couldn't go d one whatever it's Grays or whatever,

475
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Speaker 1: that mean, he ain't locked in like you. So and

476
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Speaker 1: none of them gonna start over you any freshman, I

477
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: don't care where they're from, They're not gonna start over you.

478
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Speaker 1: So my brother had me looking at it like that.

479
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Speaker 1: You could play quick if you go to Kansas, all

480
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Speaker 1: them seniors just gone. Man Geno made me look at

481
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Speaker 1: it that way. Then ship the rest was history. I

482
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Speaker 1: took a visit, man, you know what I'm saying. More

483
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: Darred Johnson hadn't showed me a great time, showed me

484
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Speaker 1: a great till it was over with after that, man,

485
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Speaker 1: Then the drive. The drive was six hour drive and

486
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Speaker 1: hour flight, you know what I'm saying. It was close

487
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Speaker 1: to home to you know what I'm saying. It was

488
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Speaker 1: a lot of people from Dallas, so I could hop

489
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Speaker 1: in one of the guys trucks. We could commute together.

490
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Speaker 1: So it was good. It was good enough for me.

491
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Speaker 1: I played against the best. I don't have to play

492
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Speaker 1: with the best. I played against y'all boys, and I'm

493
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Speaker 1: still gonna do what I do now. You lost some

494
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Speaker 1: games though, Yeah, we definitely lost some games, but but

495
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Speaker 1: we had a six and six year we made a

496
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: bowl game for it Work Bowl, and we had a

497
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Speaker 1: twelve and one year we won the Orange Bowl. So

498
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: one year we was trash, two years cott and I

499
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: was playing in bowl games. So man, I'm telling you,

500
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: I hain't do too much losing up there. I was cool.

501
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: It is. You know, the free agency thing is crazy

502
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: because you obviously made some money as when you were drafted.

503
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Speaker 1: But what was the first big bag? What was the

504
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Speaker 1: first big big paycheck that my free agency one was

505
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: to Yeah, five year, fifty seven, what did you do?

506
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: How much? How much guaranteed? Twenty seven? Three years nine

507
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Speaker 1: a year first three years, twenty seven guarantee. That was it, right,

508
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: made the whole thing, Let's be honest. That is I'm

509
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: never gonna get twenty nine million on a check? Was

510
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Speaker 1: it kind of like whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Did

511
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Speaker 1: you have your financial guys all set up and ready

512
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Speaker 1: to go? Oh? Yeah I had, because you know before that,

513
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Speaker 1: I mean, I went first round, So I signed fourteen

514
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Speaker 1: five year, fourteen million dollars. So I was playing with

515
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Speaker 1: some ms out the gate, you know what I'm saying.

516
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Speaker 1: So I had to get my team right. I think

517
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Speaker 1: by time I signed that one year, six million dollars

518
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Speaker 1: deal with New England, that kind of proved it. Year

519
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: I signed that one year, six million with them. I

520
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: think by that time I had it together. I was

521
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Speaker 1: starting to build my house. I have my financial team

522
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Speaker 1: in order and ship. I was just all I had

523
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Speaker 1: to do with Nis. Go ball out, man, this big

524
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: bag is right here in front of me, is coming.

525
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Speaker 1: But there definitely was like a whoa, whoa, whoa. That's

526
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Speaker 1: back when the corners was it was like eight or nine.

527
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Speaker 1: Then Boop I signed for like nine. I was getting

528
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Speaker 1: nine and a half for like the first couple of years,

529
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Speaker 1: and then guys went to ten and eleven, so the

530
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Speaker 1: number was still down that down then, you know what

531
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Speaker 1: I'm saying it was like, you better sit down for

532
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Speaker 1: this one, kid. I'm like, oh yeah, shit, it was crazy.

533
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Speaker 1: It was it was nuts. It was nuts. Kyli, good

534
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Speaker 1: for you. Well, thanks buddy, keep kicking butt. You can

535
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: listen to a keep to lead. He's got his own podcast.

536
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: It's great. It's as raw as anything out there, and

537
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: that's why he's part of the volume. We absolutely love

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00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: having you man, it's great, great stotting and talking to

539
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: you again. Thanks, bub, appreciate it. Take care. Nobody like

540
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: a key to leave. I mean, his stories are unbelievable.

541
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: I love talking to him. I could do. I could

542
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Speaker 1: do a weekly with a key to leave. Andrew Marshan's

543
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: right around the corner. All right, We segue to Andrew Marshan,

544
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: who's the senior sports media writer for The New York

545
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: Post former regular on ESPN. This week, the NFL signed

546
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: new media rights steals with CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN, and

547
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: Amazon collectively worth one hundred and ten billion over eleven years,

548
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: basically doubled the value of the presbas contracts. Now, those

549
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: media rights, as most of you know, are the contracts

550
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: that give networks permission to broadcast the games. The contracts

551
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: will take effect in twenty twenty three, run through twenty

552
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Speaker 1: thirty three, and it will basically cement the NFL's status

553
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Speaker 1: as the country most lucrative sports league. We thought we'd

554
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: bring on Andrew Marshan and talk about it all right, Andrew,

555
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Speaker 1: So my overview real quickly is everybody paid double for

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Speaker 1: the NFL rights except ESPN. And they also got two

557
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowls and flex scheduling on Monday Night football. So

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00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: my winner for my perception just initially was ESPN. Am

559
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: I right or wrong? You're right, but you also have

560
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: to factor in you're talking about a last place team

561
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: that went into contention, so the last deal was so bad.

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Speaker 1: They're spending the most money, they're getting games that are

563
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Speaker 1: mostly drek. They get you know, they don't have a playoffs,

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00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: they don't Super Bowl. So so they came from last

565
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: place and now they're in contention. And so yes, I

566
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Speaker 1: agree with you. They did the best and they had

567
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Speaker 1: the most work to do, but they did a good

568
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Speaker 1: job adding the two super Bowls, flex scheduling at the end,

569
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: more games, thirty more from seventeen to twenty three, overall

570
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: getting ABC involved, and you know, they're very happy about

571
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: having ESPN Plus also having a little exclusive game and

572
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: then they can put them on there too, so it

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Speaker 1: gives them some flexibility going forward. You know, it's interesting, Andrew,

574
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Speaker 1: super Bowls you don't pay for as a network. That's

575
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Speaker 1: why they're so valuable. There's such a commodity. So for

576
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Fox we get four and twelve years. Well, this contract

577
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: doesn't start until like twenty twenty three, so at the

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Speaker 1: end of it, in eleven years, the economy, Andrew, you

579
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Speaker 1: may be able to make eight hundred million dollars on

580
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. So you know, I look at this

581
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: and people gasp at the numbers, and people are already

582
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: forecasting big losses. But you know, you and I have

583
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: been in this business long enough. There's new platforms that develop,

584
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: there's new way to monetize stuff. I didn't think it

585
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: was an outrageous number, Am I naive? No? I mean, look,

586
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Speaker 1: if you look at the top fifty programs every year,

587
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: they're almost all NFL games, and obviously the Super Bowls

588
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: number one on and that's really where the big money

589
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: is made. So look, we this deal is so long.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. Call how old you'll be held.

591
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Speaker 1: I'll be an eleven years. Thirteen years really, I mean,

592
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Speaker 1: you know you start thinking about where your kids were

593
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: you doing at that point? You know, you could be

594
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Speaker 1: a grandfather. Um, you know. So, Uh, it's a long deal.

595
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Speaker 1: So to really be able to predict, you know, where

596
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: everything's gonna go is hard. Um. So in the NFL, look,

597
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: I wrote this in the column row right after. It's

598
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, an old adage, you know, the golden rule

599
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: is the person with the gold makes the rules. In

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Speaker 1: the NFL could do whatever they wanted. They have the

601
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Speaker 1: most important real estate in TV and video going forward,

602
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like that's gonna change. And so

603
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: they got everything they they they they wanted. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: they even have an opt out seven years in so

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Speaker 1: if this deal isn't good enough, they can make it

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Speaker 1: even better. Uh. And then for the networks, you know,

607
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: they don't really have a choice. They if you're a CBS,

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Speaker 1: if you're Fox, can you really survive? Um? You know

609
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: in this Ironman, if you don't have football, you know,

610
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: people aren't watching regular programming anyway. So if you don't

611
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: have the NFL, I don't know where you are. So

612
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: they had an NBC, same thing, so they yes, they

613
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: doubled the price, and if you look at their the

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Speaker 1: value of the company, Yeah, you gotta take a billion

615
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Speaker 1: dollars off of that value. In terms of where that's going,

616
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Speaker 1: it's going right in the NFL's pockets. A billion more.

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Speaker 1: He's going to the NFL. But they had to do it.

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Speaker 1: I guess the win for the consumer is flex scheduling.

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Speaker 1: That's always a win for fans. But what I don't like,

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Speaker 1: and I understand it, Amazon now does Thursday night games.

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Speaker 1: And I went to Twitter for five minutes and everybody's like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm out. That does worry me? Your takeaway on what

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Speaker 1: they did with Thursday night football, which really became cost

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Speaker 1: prohibitive for your standard traditional networks. Fox was losing a

625
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: lot of money for Amazon. It's a rounding error, But

626
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's good for the fans. So

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Speaker 1: here's the thing when when you look at this, Roger

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Speaker 1: Gerdale after you know, he had a conference call and

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, if somebody asked about the money,

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00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: he said, it wasn't about the money. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: about the money, let's face it. So Thursday night foot ball,

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Speaker 1: everybody's had it, NBC's had it, Fox has had it,

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Speaker 1: CBS has had it. None of them wanted it. So

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Speaker 1: Fox is paying six to fifty. They got a billion dollars.

635
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: So think about that. You're the edit. So you're in

636
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: a negotiation. You have you had, you had three other

637
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: suitors that that had a chance had it. They all

638
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: say we don't want it, and you almost double the

639
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: price to a billion dollars. So yes, you say, well,

640
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Speaker 1: the fan, you know, here's the thing for the football fan.

641
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: Your life doesn't really have to change. You know, we

642
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: can talk about the changing world. But on Sundays you

643
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: can if you want, for the next thirteen years. So

644
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: two thousand thirty three, you can watch Fox, CBS, NBC

645
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: on Sundays, ESPN on Mondays. Thursday is different. But I

646
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: think Thursday, like you said, Amazon, do they need this? No,

647
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: do I think that the term that's an Amazon game,

648
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: meaning it's Jacksonville, Tennessee on a Thursday to five and

649
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: seven teams, It's gonna become something that's maybe in the lexicon.

650
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: I do think that's possible. So I don't know. I

651
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: don't think the fan, Yes, they lose out, but there

652
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: are one hundred and twenty six million people who already

653
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: have Amazon Prime, so you know, less people are gonna

654
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: watch because you know, this is the thing with direct

655
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: to consumer, you have to make a choice. Like people

656
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, they're making a choice to find

657
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: Colin Cowards podcasts and listen to it. And so you know,

658
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: it's different than when you're on the radio and you're

659
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: just flipping around and you find Colin. So they really

660
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: have to want to listen to your podcast. Same thing

661
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Thursday night, You're gonna really have to want to watch

662
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: that game. And the games aren't that great. You got

663
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: flex scheduling on Monday, you got flex scheduling on Sunday,

664
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Speaker 1: and you got CBS and Fox getting good games on

665
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, the afternoons on Sunday afternoons and that late window.

666
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what Amazon gets, so yeah, I will

667
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: that package be a little bit for guid Yes, probably,

668
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: But the NFL has got a billion dollars coming to

669
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Speaker 1: them every year, all right, like everybody else. I have

670
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: the direct TV package. I think their customer service is regrettable,

671
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: and I do think ESP and Plus would get me

672
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: as a consumer if they went and got the direct

673
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: TV package. So where does that thing stand? So yeah,

674
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: they're they're still talking the biggest people you have to

675
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: say that, you know, could take it from Direct TV,

676
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: and it's all likely to Direct TV is not gonna

677
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: have it anymore. They just wrote down a billions or so,

678
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: you know, because the deal is not working out for them.

679
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: AT and T now owns Direct TV. They didn't make

680
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: that deal. Doesn't seem like that's gonna keep going going forward.

681
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, ESPN Plus makes sense, Amazon Prime makes sense.

682
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: You know, the other ones, Peacock, Paramount Plus, they also

683
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: make sense. It's a it's a big number though, I

684
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Speaker 1: mean you're talking another you know, more billions. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's different things you could do with the stream. Maybe

686
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: you could just buy your team, right, you're a New

687
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: York you're a Steeler fan, you don't want the Steelers.

688
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: Maybe there's different prices you could make price points. So yeah,

689
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: that most likely is going to direct to consumer. But

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Speaker 1: I do think the price tag is gonna be so

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Speaker 1: prohibitive that I don't you know, Disney they all have

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Speaker 1: the money. Amazon has the money, Disney has the money, NBC,

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00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Comcast they have the money, CBS paramount less, so but

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Speaker 1: they have if they want it. So yes, I think

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Speaker 1: it will. It will end up into one of these

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Speaker 1: direct to consumer ESPN plus, Amazon and maybe even a

697
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: couple of them, and you get it with your subscription

698
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: or like they've done with UFC. Is that um is

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00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: they've you know you you get the package for six

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00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: nine nine ESPN plus you want the big fights though

701
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: you know they want another twenty thirty bucks Andrew um

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00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: This Twitter is elevated what I always thought was sort

703
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: of a silly topic, which is, Oh, the NBA ratings

704
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: are down two percent, the NFL ratings are down. And

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Speaker 1: my takeaway is it doesn't matter because if the NBA

706
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: was up forbid, everybody would bid on it because we're

707
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: all in a race for content. You know, NFL ratings,

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00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: we're down a lot of stuff, down twenty thirty percent.

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00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: NFL ratings were down a little ten seven eight percent.

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00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter in the end, they have what we want.

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00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: But is there a league right now post pandemic as

712
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: we segue out of the pandemic, is there a league

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Speaker 1: that is in a little bit of trouble and that

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Speaker 1: the ratings discussion may matter? Yeah? I don't think so. Really,

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00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: I mean, NHL, see the streaming element has changed things. Right,

716
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: So the NHL just got the big contract from ESPN

717
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: to four hundred million dollars, which again I'm not going

718
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: to bore everyone with the details of it, but it's

719
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Speaker 1: not as big an increase as maybe it seems if

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Speaker 1: you look at the previous digital deal that the NHL

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Speaker 1: had with ESPN. But still there's the digital space, so

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Speaker 1: I don't really see that. Now. You know, the NBA,

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Speaker 1: they have a couple of years. You know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be knock on wood post pandemic, so we'll get some

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Speaker 1: ratings information. I do think you look at it, there's

726
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Speaker 1: a lot of predictions that the ratings would go we're

727
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: all home. But but I actually think I think there's

728
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: a couple of things that are going that are in

729
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: play here. Number one is when people aren't going to games,

730
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: that word of mouth thing isn't as big, right, So

731
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: you're not going to a game, you're not telling everybody

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Speaker 1: I went here, I went to Mass Square Garden, I

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Speaker 1: went to you know, for baseball, I went to the

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00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. You're not doing that. So it's just there's

735
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: not as much and if you're watching too, it's just

736
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: not as exciting if you're not a big, huge sports

737
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: fanning if you're a fringe person who kind of makes

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Speaker 1: the difference in the ratings. The other thing, and this

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00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: is more long term, and I do think there's an

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00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: issue is that when you or I were younger, we

741
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Speaker 1: how to watch Michael Jordan. If you didn't watch Michael Jordan,

742
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: you missed the great highlight. Now you could maybe watch

743
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: Sports Center later and catch it, but you better not

744
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom during that first segment, you know,

745
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: when Keith and Dan were doing the Jordan highlights. So

746
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: now though you don't have to watch Lebron and still

747
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: see his great play, like if he does something amazing,

748
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: it will be on social media ten seconds later, ten

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Speaker 1: different places. And so I do think that with the

750
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Speaker 1: younger generations, to me, like everyone talks about all these

751
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: different things, I think that's the major issues. They just

752
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: don't they don't have that need or they don't they're

753
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: not gonna miss anything because of social so they don't

754
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: have to invest a couple hours because they're gonna want

755
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: to see that one moment and that changes things, so

756
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: that aspect, But I don't think we're there yet in

757
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: terms of people not bidding a lot. When you look

758
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: at where the space is going though, the biggest players,

759
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: you know, the major four sports, they're gonna get their money.

760
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: The lower players are also gonna be aided by peacocks

761
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: and ESPN pluses because they want content they can bring

762
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: in some subscriber because you do have die our fans.

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00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: It's that middle. You don't want to really be in

764
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: the middle right now. I don't think that's where you

765
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: want to be. MLS. You know, they got a good

766
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: deal last time at ESPN. I'm not sure. It's gonna

767
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: be interesting to see what they do. They might kind

768
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: of put their local rights together with their national rights,

769
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: so maybe that makes it work for them. But but

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Speaker 1: that middle, they don't want to be a middle league.

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00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, all right, let's say what it.

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00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is officially now NBC. He's got a resume,

773
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: is gonna do some college, some pro some Olympic stuff.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we know al Michaels is in his seventies. Collinsworth, though,

775
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: isn't and is still respected and very employable. Am I

776
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: supposed to read into this that Tariko and Breeze are

777
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: the future and that Collinsworth and al or not? What?

778
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: How what do I read into this? Yeahs so you

779
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: should read into an NBC won't say that, but you

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Speaker 1: know this has been going on. Let's just start with

781
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: Al Michaels probably the greatest play by play TV guy

782
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: of all time, uh seventy six. Now, I you know

783
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: I wrote this the other day. You know, he might

784
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: not throw a hundred anymore, but he still throws to

785
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: me ninety three ninety four gets people out. You know,

786
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: it's still very effective in the booth um. So he's

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00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's not one of those situations

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Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, he's missing a lot of

789
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, it's missing everything. And it's not the same

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Speaker 1: amount of Michaels I think again, maybe not as great

791
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: as his peak, but still very good. But contracts up

792
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: to Rico's the face of NBC. Now he's going to

793
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: like things can change, Okay, if it's not official next

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00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: year after the Super Bowl, it's gonna be Trico on

795
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football as the Playboy Player guy. I mean,

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00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd be surprised if um, if he's

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00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: not now it could again, that's not official, but like

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Speaker 1: they've made Tarrico the face of NBC when he came

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Speaker 1: over there five years ago. He's supposed to do more

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Speaker 1: football day Thursday night at that time, so he hasn't

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Speaker 1: been able to do it. And and and Al is older.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's understandable their plan now with Collinsworth

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Speaker 1: and Brees, the timetable look, NBC is doing something smart

804
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: in terms of you bring Breeze in he does not

805
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: true dame. See if he's good, uh, and then you

806
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 1: could elevate him. But I think that could go pretty

807
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: quickly if he is good, um, because you know that's

808
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: kind of their new team. Um. And then they work

809
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: towards that next Super Bowl um to you know, Drew

810
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: Brees and Trico and so I guess when you talk

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Speaker 1: about timetables, I don't know, I'd be kind, I don't know, surprise.

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00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: They gotta see how Breese does. But I think there's

813
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: a very good chance not this Super Bowl next year

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00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: NBC has it, but the following one, you know, four

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Speaker 1: years from there. I would think Tariko and Drew Brees

816
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: would would be the people. You know, it's interesting because

817
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: when Phil Simms got replaced, there was a sense he

818
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: lost his fastball. I don't sense that. With Collinsworth. I

819
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: think he would get I think he could go on

820
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: the market and every network that has the NFL would

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Speaker 1: be interested in Collinsworth. I still think he's viable. He's young,

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Speaker 1: he's got sort of a style pro football focuses his

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00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: So he's not going anywhere in football. It's I still

824
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: think he's in his prime or darn close to it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Collinsworth could just say I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go to another network and be the guy or a

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Speaker 1: strong two well, two things. Number one I should say, Look,

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Speaker 1: NBC could say let's quick Tarico with Collinsworth, Lee Breezes

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Speaker 1: in the studio. But you have to understand when Drew

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00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: Brees had his negotiation, ESPN also had interest in him.

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Speaker 1: So he was and he was in a good position.

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00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: So he wants to do a Super Bowl. I asked

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00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: him on the conference call the other day. He would

834
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: answer the question. He danced like he was in the

835
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: pocket when I asked him directly, you know, what's the

836
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: gool Reser Bowl? And he understands the situation. Of course,

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Speaker 1: with Collinsworth, it's it's because here's a the NBC. On paper,

838
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: it's a great plan. It's just you have actual human

839
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: beings that you're dealing with, so it's kind of awkward

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00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: not to answer your question. I do think Collinsworth kid

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Speaker 1: get some interest. I look, I think you look at

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Speaker 1: that Monday Night football booth. Now with the super Bowl again,

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Speaker 1: it's thousand years away, twenty twenty seven, so they don't

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Speaker 1: have to figure it out. Yeah, but they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: an extra they're gonna have two playoff games. That booth's

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Speaker 1: gonna come become even more scrutinized. So you know, could

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Speaker 1: a Collinsworth be someone that ESPN says, you know what,

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Speaker 1: let's you know, let's think about him, um, because yeah

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Speaker 1: he's in his you know, early sixties. But you could

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Speaker 1: get a good five to ten years out of Collinsworth,

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Speaker 1: maybe more so, and finally solve our problem. If you're

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Speaker 1: ESPN and Monday Football look greasy. Riddick, Steve Leeby. They

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00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: were fine, they weren't bad. I don't think they're great.

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Speaker 1: I thought as usual on Monday Night. You know, ESPN

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00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: put them in a bad position. You know, they're doing

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Speaker 1: national TV. It's probably the most scrutinized booth maybe at

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Speaker 1: all of sports. Because it's a solo game on Monday night.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's watching it. Most games you watch you have a

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00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: rooting interest on Sunday and or there's other games going on,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have your direct attention. So it's Monday night.

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Speaker 1: So the announcer has become more of a focus. And

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00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: the three of them had never worked together before. It's

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Speaker 1: a pandemic, so there's a lot of excuses. But look,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised over the next couple of years

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Speaker 1: at some point if they do make a change to

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Speaker 1: try to you know, get that Marquis Boots. So they're

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Speaker 1: at the same level as the other networks. By the way,

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Speaker 1: you've covered a lot of baseball. I live in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: where we may have the best roster I've seen for

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Speaker 1: a baseball team in like one of years. I mean,

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00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: it's like the those Yankee teams when you had this

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Speaker 1: pitching staff and they kept adding great names. So we

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00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: added you know, Trevor Bauer. We already had Kershaw and

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Speaker 1: Walker Bueller and David Price. Your thought, I think I

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Speaker 1: said this, I feel a little renaissance in baseball. I do.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we bailed on baseball, and I do

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Speaker 1: think analytically, esthetically i'd like more base runners. It's become

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Speaker 1: a home runner, strikeout sport. But I think the Yankees

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Speaker 1: are now poised to win a World Series. I think

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00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: the Dodgers are stacked and it should be the favorite.

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00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: The Cubs are really interesting. Before we go, just I

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Speaker 1: know you have a love for baseball. You're kind of

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Speaker 1: sense on this baseball season and the sport in general. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two things that you say, Well, I've heard you say

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Speaker 1: this a whole. You know a lot about the Final

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00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: four where people said they always want Cinderella, but then

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00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: you know Duke and North Carolina in the Final four,

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Speaker 1: and then you get the big ratings. And when you

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00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: have you know, some small school, you don't get those ratings.

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Speaker 1: The same thing in baseball. I think Dodgers, yank Keys, Cubs,

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Speaker 1: Red Sox. You look at the ratings, it's no, it's

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Speaker 1: not a coincidence that they're higher. Those teams are just

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Speaker 1: of interest. Those are the marquee teams. So yes, I look.

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Speaker 1: I think overall baseball does a terrible job of telling

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Speaker 1: its media story. When everyone says the NFL is king,

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00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: I would say this is how many minutes people watched

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Speaker 1: a baseball this year compared to the NFL. And people say, well,

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00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: there's so many more games, bingo. I mean that's if

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Speaker 1: you look at the ratings, the NFL has a finite

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Speaker 1: of games, sixteen or so, now seventeen games. The baseball

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00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: has one hundred and sixty two. But now this is

902
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: changing a little bit because what's going on with cable.

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Speaker 1: But they've been propping up regional sports networks for years

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Speaker 1: that are worth a lot of money, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of them make a lot of money in half. Now

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00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: that's there's a transition going with chord cutting. But so

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Speaker 1: I guess my point would be in baseball is a

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Speaker 1: national sport that's local, okay, and it's always going to

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Speaker 1: be like that. The World Series ratings are never coming back.

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Speaker 1: It's but it's also if you look at the nature

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Speaker 1: of the World Series seven games, you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: dig in. You get me a game seven, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get a good number because I know that's the decisive game.

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls one game. So I think baseball doesn't do

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Speaker 1: a great job of telling its story. It does need

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Speaker 1: to get shorter. I know the die hard fans are

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Speaker 1: gonna say that's a sports writer who's been at too

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Speaker 1: many rain balais and too many games, and maybe that

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Speaker 1: maybe there's something to it. It does need to have

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Speaker 1: more a little bit more action, and it needs to

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Speaker 1: get away from, you know, too much in the traditionalist

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Speaker 1: every other sport. All they do is make the rules

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Speaker 1: better for the offense. You know, quarterbacks. You know, you

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00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: can't really compare quarterbacks from different eras because John Munice

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Speaker 1: and Dan Marino in this era would be putting up

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes numbers and so spare those guys. It's ridiculous. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I think your point is the other rules view

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Speaker 1: their sport a little bit like a TV show, and

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Speaker 1: Baseball doesn't. Baseball views it like it's sacrilegious to evolver.

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Speaker 1: It is, and sometimes it drives me nuts. But I

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Speaker 1: do think I think we have the right teams in baseball,

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Speaker 1: and so I think that in that sense, the deck

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Speaker 1: is kind of stacked towards the Boston's, the New York's,

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Speaker 1: the la Is, the Cubs, and that's not a terrible thing.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Marsham, New York Post Love talking to you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: got so much good information and thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks I appreciate it. I hope you like the keep

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Speaker 1: to leave and I Andrew Marsham. Please follow us at

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