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Speaker 1: but Cyrus vans he'll just arrest seventy people because it's

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Speaker 1: illegal to have this, but refuses to take action against

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Speaker 1: the hardware stores that still sell this illegal product. And

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Speaker 1: as of two thousand nineteen, it's no longer illegal. Because

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Speaker 1: that was getting so fucking out of control, Cuomo finally

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Speaker 1: did something about it. But I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: corrupt individual who currently holds the office of Manhattan d A.

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Speaker 1: And it's important to say flat out he is a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: and it's not this is not a Republican d A.

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Speaker 1: This is a corrupt establishment Democrat. Well, it's he's a

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Speaker 1: deeply entrenched incumbent who again, who has been in office

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Speaker 1: for ten ten years. He hasn't is it true? He

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Speaker 1: he hasn't officially announced that he will run for re election. Correct,

441
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Speaker 1: he hasn't yet said whether he's running for re election.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't have to. And do you want to

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Speaker 1: know why? Just another way in which these systems are

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Speaker 1: built to maintain the status quo. Um, if you had

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Speaker 1: wanted to give to Joe Biden or another candidate in

446
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: the primary for president, you could donate a maximum of

447
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Speaker 1: twenty hundred dollars and what's the limit for local action,

448
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: like thirty something five thousand dollars are individual donor. So

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Speaker 1: you know, in the first filing period we raised three

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Speaker 1: thirty something thousand dollars from over thirty five hundred donations,

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Speaker 1: which is amazing. And I'm so proud of the grassroots

452
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Speaker 1: movement that we're building and like getting all these people

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Speaker 1: who are supporting who are giving a dollar two dollars,

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Speaker 1: five dollars, twenty dollars. It's amazing. But cive ants can

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Speaker 1: spend an afternoon, he can call ten of his friends

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, I need you to max out to

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Speaker 1: me and raise three d fifty dollars from ten people

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Speaker 1: in an afternoon. And this is how you know, this

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Speaker 1: is why it's only ever been these very powerful people,

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Speaker 1: powerful men, I should say, powerful white men, who have

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Speaker 1: held this office. It has only ever been held by

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Speaker 1: white men in the history of that office in the

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Speaker 1: last in my lifetime, in our lifetime, it's been two

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Speaker 1: white men. It's been Cyrus Fans for nearly twelve years,

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Speaker 1: and Robert Morgan thought his predecessor for thirty six years,

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Speaker 1: and four white men in the last century. Wow. Wow,

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Speaker 1: And you, I think, are are? Are you the only

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Speaker 1: public defender who's running for d A. And I've spent

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Speaker 1: my career going up against that office, like going up

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Speaker 1: against the pond S office, representing people who were charged

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Speaker 1: by that office, who couldn't afford to hire a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: who were, you know, charged with things as minor as

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Speaker 1: jumping a turnstyle, you know, minor possession of marijuana, taking

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Speaker 1: up two seats on the subway. Could you tell the

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Speaker 1: story because this is what strikes This is what just

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Speaker 1: really struck me. And you often referenced this the gentleman

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Speaker 1: with the groceries. Yeah, I would love to hear I've

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Speaker 1: so all the readers can hear about that for sure.

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Speaker 1: So um, I think it's I think I represented him

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Speaker 1: my first year as a public defender. For the purpose

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Speaker 1: of the story, I'll call him John for John Doe.

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Speaker 1: And John was an asistant manager at a Gristiis in

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Speaker 1: Lower Manhattan. He'd worked at the same Gristiis for twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, made his way up to assistant manager, and

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Speaker 1: one night he was closing up the store at about

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Speaker 1: eleven pm, he bought two bags of groceries with his

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Speaker 1: employee discount, locked up the store, and walked over to

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Speaker 1: the A train to head home to Upper Manhattan. And

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Speaker 1: he got on the subway not crowded, put his bags

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Speaker 1: on the seats next to him, and prepared for his

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Speaker 1: long ride home. At the street stop, two uniformed NYPD

492
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Speaker 1: officers got on the train, grabbed John's groceries, dumped them

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Speaker 1: on the ground, and placed him in handcuffs, and proceeded

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Speaker 1: to take him to jail for the night for the

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Speaker 1: crime of occupying multiple seats on a transit facility. That's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: That and and he's how long was he taking up

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Speaker 1: two seats on the train? Spent the next train, so

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Speaker 1: then you were able to get him out the next day.

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Speaker 1: But I got him out of jail the next day.

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Speaker 1: But that's that doesn't Yeah, it doesn't change the fact

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Speaker 1: and traumatized. All his family's groceries were thrown out, you know,

502
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: he was he you know, didn't get to sleep at home,

503
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: maybe he missed work the next day. Like it's all

504
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Speaker 1: the things that happened to you from from being just arrested,

505
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Speaker 1: even spending a day in jail is just it's horrifying.

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Speaker 1: The amount of stories I've heard, just anecdotally, of people

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Speaker 1: jumping turnstiles, who get like slammed up against a fucking wall.

508
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Speaker 1: Like these are like women, I'm talking. I've heard stories

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Speaker 1: from like elderly women who have been like slammed up

510
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Speaker 1: against subway walls for like whatever fair evasion, I guess,

511
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: but they just kind of like found themselves having to

512
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Speaker 1: like do it. And that's not to like whatever, but

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just like it none of it ever

514
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Speaker 1: scales to the actual like like the victimless I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a distinction made to be made here about a

516
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Speaker 1: victimless crime, right I mean? And then yes, exactly, But

517
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Speaker 1: the thing is jumping a turnstyle isn't is class a misdemeanor.

518
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: You face up to one year in jail for theft

519
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: of services, So it's non infraction, even though like we

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00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: think of it as being like you stole two dollars

521
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: and seventy five cents, Like it should be an infraction.

522
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: It should be a civil It should be something that

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Speaker 1: is never ever ever punished by criminalization, by incarceration, by

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Speaker 1: locking someone up in a cage like that. And also

525
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: not to mention the cost to taxpayers, it costs nine

526
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Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars to put someone on Riker's Island

527
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Speaker 1: for one night, so like you could put someone in

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Speaker 1: the nicest in New York City, like and it doesn't

529
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Speaker 1: call you know, It's like when you think about the

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Speaker 1: way in which we spend this money to to police,

531
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Speaker 1: to surveil, to prosecute, to incarceerate people, when we could

532
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Speaker 1: be investing that in in helping people, in investing in people,

533
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Speaker 1: in addressing the underlying issues they're facing. It's just like

534
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: we need to reimagine this, we need to think about

535
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: transforming this system. And so I would imagine that you

536
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: are in favor of defunding the police. Yes, we spend

537
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: six billion dollars on policing like these. This is there

538
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: is no there's no amount of like retraining that's going

539
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: to fix the problem. We need to reallocate those resources

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Speaker 1: into social services, into education and school and housing and

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Speaker 1: food and everything. Yes, yes, very much. So I'm curious

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Speaker 1: what your take is on the current um discussion that's

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Speaker 1: happening in the Democratic Party about why those house seats

544
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: were lost and why even why more house seats were lost.

545
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: We have are we're we're in danger of being lost.

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Speaker 1: We have these more moderate Democrats saying that the messages

547
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: of Green New Deal, of defund the police, these things

548
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: drove voters away. And then you have sort of AOC

549
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: coming with the receipts, which are here's everyone that supported

550
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: Medicare for all and they all got elected to or

551
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: they were they were all re elected and what this

552
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Speaker 1: message is not entirely factual. I would imagine that you

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Speaker 1: know you're off. I mean, I think that there are

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Speaker 1: I think that there there has to be recognition that

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00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: not all districts are the same, and that there are

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Speaker 1: people who, you know, we were in safe districts and

557
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Speaker 1: people who are in swing districts, and we need to

558
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Speaker 1: address things differently within those districts, etcetera, etcetera. But like

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Speaker 1: I really, yeah, I really obviously find myself much more

560
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Speaker 1: on the progressive wing of the party in that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that it really is important, especially in places

562
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: where people are receptive to the messages, to not be

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Speaker 1: afraid to call out the things that are happening, to

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00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: call out you know, systemic racism and injustice and these

565
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: these things that exist that continue to oppress and marginalize

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Speaker 1: members of our communities. And so I think that that

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Speaker 1: there really is no there's no world in which like

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Speaker 1: I would not be calling those things out. But I

569
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Speaker 1: think that, you know, we have to we have to

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00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: recognize that, um, not all districts are the same, and

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Speaker 1: that there are other things in play regarding how someone

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Speaker 1: lost a district more than just oh they didn't support

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Speaker 1: medicare for all. I think it's more nuanced and complicated

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00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: than that, of course, and it's so it's I I

575
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: always hate how you know that it gets funneled through

576
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: the media and then all we can see is the

577
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: argument and not the fact that like there really shouldn't

578
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Speaker 1: be a fucking argument, you know what I mean, Like

579
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: the we have we're dealing with white supremacy in in

580
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: our policing, like and it's it's it's that's how it's

581
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: that's how it was created. And you know, just in

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00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: terms of facts, you know, a mass incarceration is up

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00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: five percent over the past forty years, and the crime

584
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Speaker 1: rates are not higher. Correct, it's I mean, can you

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Speaker 1: speak a little bit to that, Like it's just that

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Speaker 1: should say at all? Well, I mean, we we continue

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00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: to incarce rate people for things like drugs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think like the war on drugs has been like

589
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: the biggest failure. It's not been a war on drugs,

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Speaker 1: It's been a war on people. And that's people of color,

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Speaker 1: l g B, t Q, i A, folks, you know,

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Speaker 1: people with disabilities. It has just served to marginalize and

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Speaker 1: oppress people. And I think, like what we can take

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00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: away from this most recent election, like one of the

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Speaker 1: most positive things, I mean, aside from evicting the current

596
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: occupant of the White House. Is that everywhere that drugs

597
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: were on the ballot, we won. Everywhere criminal justice reform

598
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: was on the ballot, we won. And people are finally

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00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: coming around to understanding that criminalizing human beings is not

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00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: the answer, and that we need to legalize marijuana, we

601
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Speaker 1: need to decriminalize all drugs. We need to favor you know,

602
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: rehabilitation and treatment over punishment. And because when we lock

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00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: people up, we're doing nothing to address a substance used

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00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: disorder that someone's facing, nothing to address mental health issues

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00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: that someone's facing, and maybe someone's self medicating with with

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Speaker 1: drugs or alcohol. But like that doesn't mean that locking

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00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: them up is going to solve any of that. And

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00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: so it was really heartening to see those measures pass

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Speaker 1: um you know, in Oregon and other places where where

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00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: that was on the ballot, because this is a really

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00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: big element on your platform, which is to divert um

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Speaker 1: any little level drug charge or offense to a treatment program.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's like a big sort of item on

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Speaker 1: your on your platform, which I don't want to prosecute

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Speaker 1: low level drug offenses at all. I mean, we haven't

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Speaker 1: decriminalized um all drugs here in New York and hopefully

617
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: in the next session they're going to legalize marijuana. But

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Speaker 1: but I hope that one day legislatively they will fix

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Speaker 1: that in New York. But until they do, we need

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00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: to elect prosecutors like me who say it doesn't matter

621
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Speaker 1: whether or not this laws on the books. I get

622
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: to use my discretion as the elected district attorney, and

623
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Speaker 1: I will not prosecute drug possession anymore personal use possession.

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00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: We will not prosecute that because all we're doing is

625
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: either criminalizing a substance used disorder or criminalizing someone using

626
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: drugs for what, for their own enjoyment or something. I

627
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: mean like, but either way, when we talk about victimless crimes,

628
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: like we talk about things that all we are doing

629
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: is hurting people, hurting individuals, hurting their families. You know,

630
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: people people get so riled up and they talk about,

631
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Speaker 1: oh my god, Donald Trump has a family separation policy,

632
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: and he's separating families on our southern border, and yet

633
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: there's a family separation policy in your backyard. The district

634
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: attorney is acting in your name. They stand up in

635
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: court every day and say on the behalf of the

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00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: people of the state of New York, and they separate

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00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: families because the people who are getting locked up are

638
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: people's children. They're people's parents, there are people's spouses, Um,

639
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: there are people's siblings. And these are people who are

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00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: getting locked up for things like possessing drugs. And that's

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Speaker 1: why it's crucial to change the d A because if

642
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Speaker 1: the d A doesn't change, the d A is the

643
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Speaker 1: person that decides whether or not to prosecute these things.

644
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Speaker 1: So can anything really change in the city if we

645
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Speaker 1: don't change the d A, I mean flat out not

646
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: really right, No, it'll be extremely difficult. You know, like

647
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: having a district attorney who is like Saivance, who's really

648
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: like extremely punitive, extreme, you know, perpetuates this like lock

649
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: them up throwing the key mentality when it pertains to

650
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: the majority of people in this city, you know, low

651
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: income folks, black and brown folks, etcetera. It really just

652
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: it perpetuates mass incarceration. It um, it actually doesn't make

653
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: our city safer. Um when people say, oh, well, what

654
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: about like, oh, you're gonna be letting out people who

655
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: are criminals or something, you know that there's like this

656
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: this this US versus them mentality, and the the current

657
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: yer's office is really you know, use this language, this

658
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: dehumanizing language. Oh, people are criminals, spelons, inmates, bodies, prisoners.

659
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: All the language they use is so that people associate, Oh,

660
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: it's them, It's not me, it's them. But when I

661
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: tell stories like that of John and someone's like, oh

662
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: my god, Like I put my purse on the seat

663
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: next to me all the time, a crime I would

664
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Speaker 1: not have even known. You weren't supposed to do that.

665
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: Laying down on a park bench as a crime, you know,

666
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: it's literally called obstruction of a park bench. Um, you know,

667
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: putting something down on the sidewalk like immovable object, like

668
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: it's There are so many things that are that are

669
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: crimes in this city, but that they're only criminalized if

670
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: you are a person of color, if you are someone

671
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: who's low income, if you are someone who's experiencing homelessness.

672
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: You know. And so having a district attorney who thinks

673
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: about these people as people, as people who truly humanizes

674
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: every single person. And that all comes from my lived

675
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: experience of being a public defender and representing thousands of

676
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: people and hearing all of their stories and meeting their

677
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: families and sitting at their kitchen tables, and and seeing

678
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: what their families go through when they are locked up.

679
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: And and the reality is like, it doesn't make us

680
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: safer when we lock people up. You know, we're sold

681
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: this false choice, but it's not what's keeping us safe now.

682
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Speaker 1: Because another thing about this sort of criminalizing criminal language

683
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Speaker 1: that people use, where you're saying that it creates this

684
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: US versus the mentality, is that it also, on top

685
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: of that, I think, just compartmentalizes our understanding of the

686
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: actual criminal activity that's happening in our neighborhoods, which is

687
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: predatory land predatory landlords, um wage theft, over policing of

688
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: like neighborhood it's just in a blanket way exactly. That's

689
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's letting those things sort of live

690
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: very invisibly without people having this awareness of that thing

691
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: actually being criminal. Like the way that your landlord is

692
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: exploiting you is the actual criminal thing. That person is

693
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Speaker 1: the actual criminal who has maybe never been on rikers,

694
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: but is it owns your fucking building, right exactly. And

695
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Speaker 1: when you talk about wage theft, like if you think

696
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: about the fact that like I mean, I can't even

697
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Speaker 1: tell you how many people I've represented who have been

698
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: charged with theft crimes for going into a CBS and

699
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: stealing you know, a pint of ice cream or a

700
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: Snickers bar or something, you know, something that's truly worth

701
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: like four dollars nine cents or less, and they get prosecuted,

702
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: held in jail, sent to jail, you know, et cetera.

703
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: And then the person who's committing wage theft to the

704
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Speaker 1: tune of millions, maybe tens of millions, maybe hundreds of

705
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, that person is not prosecuted. If any

706
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: reper questions even come to that person, they're usually just okay,

707
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: a fine, civil penalties, you know. And it's like the

708
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: same goes for for you know, people who are operating

709
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: construction sites where where their workers are in danger, where

710
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: their union laborers are in danger. Right, But how is

711
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: that a civil thing and not a criminal thing? Is Well,

712
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: for the most part, these things don't really get investigated.

713
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: But if there are sometimes investigations by the Attorney General's office,

714
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: like then they'll be civil penalties rather than um criminal

715
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Speaker 1: got it? Okay? I have another maybe wonky question. It

716
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Speaker 1: might not even be wanting, but I'm curious it seems

717
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: like Manhattan DA has this special relationship with the nip

718
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Speaker 1: D and maybe this is a civance thing, but like

719
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: like NYPD gets to prosecute certain criminal cases out of

720
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: their own legal sort of unit or bureau or whatever.

721
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Speaker 1: Is that is that true? I mean, can you can

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Speaker 1: you maybe break that down for someone like me who

723
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: doesn't really know how that so? Yes, So the NYPD,

724
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Speaker 1: I think recently, which we heard during the protests, moved

725
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Speaker 1: They're they're people who sit in the Manhattan DA's office

726
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: out when Van said he was going to dismiss some

727
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: of the protesters cases in in protests themselves, they moved out.

728
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: And it's like, what what the hell were they doing

729
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: there in the first place? Like having the police in

730
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: the d a's office and having this close relationship where

731
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: they're you know, giving money or they're supporting or their whatever, like,

732
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Speaker 1: it means that the d A is not independent, is

733
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Speaker 1: not able to bring the cases necessary to hold them accountable.

734
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: And so there's just misconduct is just rampant. It's rampant,

735
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: and it's and and the misconduct that I talked about,

736
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Speaker 1: it's not just um it's well, first of all, obviously,

737
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Speaker 1: it's what we see on these videos. It's the the

738
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Speaker 1: assaults and brutalization and harassment and terrorizing um and you know,

739
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: harming the members of our communities first of all. But

740
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: then it's there's more than that. There's the false arrests.

741
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: There is the um, the perjury. You know, their their

742
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: their police offic So they walk into the court, do

743
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and

744
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: nothing but the truth? I do, And then that person

745
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: lies under oath, either in front of a judge, in

746
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: front of a jury, in front of a grand jury,

747
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: and there are zero repercussions, none, and oftentimes defense counsel

748
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: can't even find out about it. You know, their misconduct

749
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: is shielded by the d a's office, and so the

750
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: Manhattan DA has just been absolutely complicit in this, you know,

751
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: completely repetitive and awful misconduct by the NYPD. And so

752
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's just past time that we that we

753
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: hold them accountable for these harms. And they know right

754
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: now that they're not gonna be held accountable, and so

755
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: they really just operate with impunity. And this is why,

756
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: this is really why I think it's important to let

757
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: people know that you're the only I feel like it's

758
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: to have a public defender be district attorney, would would

759
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: actually be the most impactful means of not just forming

760
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, like, as you say, transforming that office in

761
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 1: a way that actually benefits everybody, not even self, you know, yeah,

762
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: for anyone moved right now while this is happening. If

763
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: you're if you're getting angry about the state of things,

764
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: you can go to Aliza Orleans dot com and make

765
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: a donation. I'm a proud donor. And um uh well,

766
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: I'll remind you again at the end of the episode.

767
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: But um, I wanted to ask um just specifically about

768
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: um all of this in relation to the pandemic, which

769
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: is ongoing. Even though we have some promising news about

770
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: potentially a vaccine that's out this week. We will see

771
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: our fingers are crossed. But I wanted to ask you

772
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: from your view, has the incarceration rates slowed or decreased

773
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: in any way as a response to the prison system

774
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: being a breeding ground for this virus or do you

775
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: still see a concerning rate with which this is all happening.

776
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: It is incredibly concerning. Actually we're being right now. I

777
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: think data was just released in the last couple of

778
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: days that we're seeing an increase in the number of

779
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Speaker 1: people at Rikers Island in the capacity there. And I

780
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: think that it is so dangerous to be holding people

781
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: in jails and prisons, especially during a pandemic. I mean,

782
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: what we saw is that the rates of infection in

783
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: our jails and prisons were more than ten times that

784
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Speaker 1: of New York City, even when New York City was

785
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: at its worst back in in March April. And I

786
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: mean it makes you know, if you think about it,

787
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: It's like people entering our jails in prisons are already

788
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: some of the most vulnerable in our society, and during incarceration,

789
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: that vulnerability is just exacerbated by tightly confined spaces, inadequate

790
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: access to medical care, unsanitary conditions. You know, no soap, um,

791
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, no no toilet paper, thirty to forty people

792
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: sharing a toilet, mess halls where you're sitting shoulder to

793
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: shoulder with people eating off of dirty trays um. You know,

794
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: hand sanitizer is literally contraband when you are in jail,

795
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: there's certainly no ability to social distance. They were telling people, oh,

796
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: sleephead to foot instead of both heads facing the same

797
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: direction when the beds are eighteen inches apart. That is

798
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: not social distancing. You know, jails are incubators and there's

799
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: no way to keep disease from spreading. So this is

800
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, and and said vance during the pandemic, instead

801
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: of decarcerating, instead of releasing as many people as he

802
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: possibly could, he was still actively sending people to Rikers Island,

803
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: actively asking for bail on people. You know, a fifty

804
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: three year old man died um who was incarcerated on

805
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: a technical parole violation, which for those who don't know,

806
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: means he missed a curfew or missed a meeting, or

807
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: had dirty urine for smoking marijuana. Like this is a

808
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: person who was sentenced to death because of this. And

809
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: so you know, this just means that that the d

810
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: a's policies have more of an imp act on this

811
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: than ever and and this is just completely urgent, as

812
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: COVID once again surges, Yeah, this this actually reminds me

813
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: of something else. That's because it's also part of your

814
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: platform to close Rikers and UM make sure that there's

815
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Speaker 1: no more new prisons UM developed built in the state

816
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: City New York statewide. Like that's that's part of what

817
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you're doing. And I also was really struck by UM.

818
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: Currently in place in Manhattan is the conviction Integrity program

819
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Speaker 1: U s d A would establish a conviction review unit.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about the difference between what you're proposing

821
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Speaker 1: UM in terms of UM what what exists currently? Definitely

822
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: and and the the current conviction integrity unit has no integrity.

823
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's window dressing. And it's just it's like

824
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: the idea that we should be not thinking about reviewing

825
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: cases where we know that officers our UM people who

826
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: have committed misconduct and yet their testimony served as the

827
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: soul basis for someone to end up incarcerated, serving decades

828
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: or serving life. Uh, you know, it's it's completely outrageous.

829
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: So I think that you know, we need to be

830
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: reviewing We need to not only be reviewing for for

831
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: innocence claims, but we also need to be reviewing sentences.

832
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: We need to be reviewing cases where someone's detained pre trial. UM.

833
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: We need to be thinking about those things. And especially

834
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: in terms of a wrongful conviction unit, you know, it

835
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: needs to be completely overhauled and it needs to be

836
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: fully staffed. There need to be people who are working

837
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: in conjunction with an Innocence Commission to screen cases to

838
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: make sure that we're avoiding future wrongful convictions. And you know,

839
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Speaker 1: I think all of doing all of those things will hopefully,

840
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, restore public trust in in this system. Yeah. Absolutely.

841
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: And also I just all readers should should remember and

842
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: know that you know, choke holds have been illegal in

843
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: New York for decades, and that you know, we still

844
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: saw what happened to Eric Garner, and so these that's

845
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: what we talked about when we talk about misconduct, you

846
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's not just like someone not

847
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: doing their due diligence here and there. It's things that

848
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: result in the loss of human life. So that's um,

849
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: it's just important to say out loud. Um, I think

850
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: we should probably take a quick break, yes, and then

851
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: come back and ask the question, Oh, okay, we're back

852
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: with the Lives of Orleans. If you, like me, UM,

853
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: are very motivated by everything she's saying on this episode,

854
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: I would encourage you to donate lines of Orleans dot com.

855
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to donate as soon as we get off

856
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: this zoom, and you better trust and believe I will.

857
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna maybe think about maxing out to the um

858
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: perhaps honestly, and just remember that Civans can call up

859
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: his damn friend and they're going to write a damn check,

860
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: So we should all be writing the same check. Max

861
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: out max out for Eliza title of up mat, I

862
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: think you should ask the question. Okay, so Eliza Um.

863
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: On every episode of Last Cultures, we ask a question

864
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: of our guests, and that question is what was the

865
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture was for you? So

866
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: this is that thing that happened that a young developmental

867
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: age could be in the pop culture, could be the

868
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: culture surrounding you that you look back and say, wow,

869
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: that made me. Eliza Orleans, well, I think we already

870
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: kind of covered it, but I swear it was summer

871
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: two thousand. It was the first ever season Survivors. Like

872
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: it made me me. I was like, oh, I'm gonna

873
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: go beyond that show, Like I'm gonna I'm going on

874
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: that show. Like I watched Richard Hatchet along with fifty

875
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: million other people made that million dollars, and I like,

876
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: watch that rat and Snake speech, you know, Sue Hawk,

877
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, you you knew you were going

878
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: to get your Sue Hawk speech one day and damn well,

879
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: Like like where would you did you did you have

880
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: an awareness of like where this ambition was being placed before,

881
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: like pre Survivor, Like what were you Like, Like I

882
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: feel like once you once you see something like Survivor

883
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm gonna be on that show. I

884
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: feel like that implies that you had some sort of

885
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: like you're a goal oriented person. But then like what

886
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: were your goals before that? Well, so this is so funny.

887
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: This is a funny. It's a I guess it's a

888
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: thing that everybody does, like goal setting. Right. I was like,

889
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to learn Mandarin. I like, you know, I

890
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: spoke when I was a kid, so like the tonal

891
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: stuff was kind of in the back of my head.

892
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: So I minored in Mandarin in college. I was like,

893
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to run a marathon. I ran a marathon.

894
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna, you know, take my l

895
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: SATs and go to law school and and you know,

896
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I'm gonna go on Survivor

897
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be a public defender and so like

898
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: these are just gold and now I'm like I'm gonna

899
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: be the next Manhattan DA. So you are I urg

900
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: around this and I know that the deck is so

901
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: it can feel so stacked, but I mean, I just

902
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: have so much belief that people, that real people can

903
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: figure out that this is something that would make a

904
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: huge difference. And you know, when people talk about caring

905
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: about local politics as much as we do national politics,

906
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: this is what we're talking about. This is what it is.

907
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: And if there can be anything positive taken from the

908
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: Trump administration, it's that I know, and I know so

909
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: many people that know that we will never feel complacent

910
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: again in our lifetimes. Because how could you I mean,

911
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like in terms of how things

912
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: shook out with the legalization of drugs around the country,

913
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean we did. We did have an amazing um

914
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: increasing of the squad in in the House, you know

915
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm so excited for Corey Bush and

916
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: you know everyone, Jamal Bowman, you know, I mean, it's

917
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: so many people that are going to you know, become

918
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: a part of that voice in the House. And yes,

919
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: we did, quoe unquote, lose some seats, but we what

920
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: we gained in the in that vocal minority in the

921
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: House right now, which is really speaking for us the

922
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: people so it really is. It's just so exciting. I'm

923
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: so excited for you. I really do. I'm excited too,

924
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: and like, I really know we can do this. I

925
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: know we can do this, and it's gonna be it's

926
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough fight, but I know that we

927
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: can get a public defender to the Manhattan DA's office

928
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: and truly like bring this bold transformational change that the

929
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: whole rest of the country will look at and be like, wow,

930
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: we can do it too. We can do that. That's

931
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: how we can have justice. That's what equity and justice,

932
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like. Yeah, and I think I

933
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: have I have thinking to myself. I was thinking to myself, like,

934
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: if only you had um sort of positively manifested winning

935
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: survivor and not just being on Survivor, may I nothing,

936
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: but you got damn clue. I saved it to the

937
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: Manhattan DA race my winning manifestation. I do want to ask,

938
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: and I always actually we talked a lot with part

939
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: of about Edge of Extinction, but and how what a

940
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: miserable physical experience that is and and so demoralizing and everything.

941
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: But for you on your first season, y'all experienced an earthquake,

942
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: crazy storms. What was the hardest thing about being on Survivor?

943
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never been so hungry in my life.

944
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: It is like this. It is all consuming. I mean

945
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: to the point where every time you stand up, you

946
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: like go black behind your eyes because you're eating like

947
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred calories a day. I lost like

948
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: more than a fifth of my body weight, Like I

949
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: was like down to bones, Like it was really bad. Um,

950
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: I was truly starving, and like my hair was falling

951
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: out in clumps like it was. It was rough. And

952
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: I guess my question is, so you get onto the

953
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: get on the beach, and you're probably like we spoke

954
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: on the phone a couple of months ago and you

955
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: described it as a shit eating grin that you were

956
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: wearing while and then then you go through that experience

957
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: what they do on some seasons of Okay, here's a

958
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: map and carry all your ship and find the camp.

959
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: How quickly does it set in? How quickly does it

960
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: go from I'm on my favorite show to funk, I'm

961
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: a human being in the on an island, you know

962
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: what I mean? Ten minutes, Like the first ten minutes,

963
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, did you we're on the show, and

964
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: then it's like, oh my god, it's getting dark. We

965
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: have to And then half the people are like, we

966
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: should just hunker down here for the night, and I'm like,

967
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: you know what, what do you nuts? Like, we're gonna

968
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: go find our camp like anyhow, It's just yeah, it's

969
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: a total it's a disaster. It's like immediate. And then

970
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: you forget the cameras are on. You're exhausted and paranoid

971
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: and starving and just just trying to survive, So you

972
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: do genuinely forget that the cameras are there. I mean,

973
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: it's not that you forget, it's just that you stopped caring. Yeah,

974
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: so you understand them to be part of the environment,

975
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: like a natural part of the environment, almost right, But

976
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: if you had wanted to present some polished version of

977
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: yourself when you are that depleted and starving and emotional

978
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: and you don't sleep and everyone's trying to vote you out,

979
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: like you can't even if you wanted to, Like, I mean,

980
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: I've gone thirty days without seeing my mom before um,

981
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 1: they told us that we were playing for a video

982
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: chat with our loved one. And then after I won

983
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: the challenge, Jeff was like, well, Leza, wouldn't it be

984
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: better if your mom were here? Susan come on out?

985
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like, bad, oh my god, I always cry.

986
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: I always cry, like sobbing, like sobbing crying like my

987
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: mom's coming out. I mean, it was just it's just hysterical.

988
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: But you're so emotionally drained and just so starved for

989
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: like someone you love and trust, and it's it's yeah,

990
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: it's tough. Well then, because I feel like I can

991
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: barely follow the forty chest that's being played from home.

992
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: And I'm like, if I am physically drained, emotionally drained,

993
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: mentally drained, I don't have it in me to like

994
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: plot certain blind sides or like checking on my alliances.

995
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm like that's the part of the the the entire

996
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: game of Survivor that like really confounds me. And I'm

997
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: so amazed by it that the people are able to

998
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: operate in this very like hyper aware way and like

999
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: be very nuanced and they're thinking, and I'm just like,

1000
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: I can't even do that when I'm like fully fed,

1001
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: fully sheltered. Any of that. Fields is a witch. She

1002
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: has something going on in her brain that is she

1003
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: should be president of the United States because because for me,

1004
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: it's just like you're talking about all this stuff and

1005
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: you're saying ten minutes and you're already like fuck. I mean,

1006
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: well that's like days and weeks into the show and

1007
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: she's able to engineer this thing that gets as out.

1008
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they all just so brilliant. She's so brilliant.

1009
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: She's got a should be she should be like a hospital.

1010
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: She should be like a hospital ad in or something like.

1011
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: She she's a nurse, she's been a nurse for all

1012
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: these years, and she's she's incredible, but she should she

1013
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: has like the like the the experience to like lead

1014
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: a whole fucking operation. I mean also like then it's

1015
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: just it's just crazy to me, just like you you

1016
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: watching it, I think we're this is so insane to say,

1017
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: but she was all of us, Like I say, we

1018
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: were going to bring back the expression Aliza is all

1019
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: of us right now. Um, but like in watching it,

1020
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: like it's so shocking, and then are you like well

1021
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: fed when you're at Ponderosa, which is where you go,

1022
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: so you you you're then you're just chilling and like party.

1023
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 1: So wait, funny story. So in my first twenty four

1024
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: hours after getting voted out, so I had lost twenty

1025
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: pounds and and in the first twenty four hours after

1026
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 1: I got voted out, I gained seven pounds. Are you kidding?

1027
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: But like my finger were like sausages like like every

1028
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: because like I hadn't had any salt or anything, so

1029
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: like I had cankles, like everything was. I was like

1030
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: retaining water. It was. I was a mess, and I

1031
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: had a parasite. I was super sick for a very

1032
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah. See that's the whole other thing of

1033
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: it all, is it like what is happening to your

1034
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,479
Speaker 1: your digestional system. Not to get crazy here, but every time,

1035
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: like I was watching one of the seasons during my binge,

1036
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: and I believe it was Caraman or something, and it

1037
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: was they were all competing for cookies and milk, and

1038
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: so they win and they're like shoving down these cookies

1039
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: and milk, and someone on the other team just goes,

1040
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: you don't want that. It's just diarrhea. You're competing. It's

1041
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: insane that there and the coffee and all that stuff.

1042
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: Of course, in the moment, I was like, oh, you're

1043
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: not gonna do I like ever, like hold back and

1044
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: not eat the thing or drink the coffee or do

1045
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, you do, and then it just

1046
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: makes you horribly ill, like you're not gonna not eat

1047
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: or drink anything they give you. But of course it

1048
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: makes you so sick because you won one of those

1049
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: big um you want to challenge which and this is whenever,

1050
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: like we were so um we were watching uh this

1051
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: season China and it was like so frustrating when PG

1052
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: was just she didn't win a single thing. And then

1053
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: they all got to have this experience. Like I'm always

1054
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: so bummed out when people don't get to have like

1055
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: the cultural experience for whatever as they're going. And you

1056
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: actually won the challenge in Vanuatu and you got to

1057
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: have that experience. Could you talk a little bit about

1058
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: like just getting to experience like that culture. It was

1059
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: so incredible, Like we got included in this feast and

1060
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: we met the children and we got to like spend

1061
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: the night there and participate in their ceremonies and cooking

1062
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: and everything, and like it was so incredible, like really

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00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: truly like a once in a lifetime opportunity. And so yeah,

1064
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: it's really sad for the people who miss out on that,

1065
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: not just for like a night of decent sleep or meal.

1066
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: It's like the cultural experience is so so so important. Yeah,

1067
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: I just remember my heart broke for her in that

1068
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: moment when she was like, I'm being excluded from everything,

1069
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: and you could tell that was that was the Great

1070
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: Wall trip. That was the Great Wall trip pg PG

1071
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: want the challenge where the where she did win the

1072
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: cultural she did get she did when the Great Wall

1073
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: thing happened. I was like, because I remember the first

1074
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: episode because she was she was so touched to be

1075
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: there because like it's it's you know, like it's her

1076
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: culture and like you know, it meant so much to her.

1077
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: And then when she didn't get to go to the

1078
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: Great Wall, I was like, fuck everyone else. I was like,

1079
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: I hate this, but you truly did win that experience

1080
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: and I was gonna I get here from the digestion

1081
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: of it all because you were like not holding back

1082
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: on that food and I'm like, girl, I don't know,

1083
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: like I get like the impulse control is that a zero?

1084
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: Because you need to eat? But then I keep thinking

1085
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: their stomachs are so so shrunk, like your body is

1086
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: probably acting a fool. And I won the I won

1087
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: the car. You won the car. She came with a

1088
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: big dinner, which made us very sick. That was a

1089
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: challenge to I know, I know that, and the loved

1090
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: ones visit. Yeah, I know, my god, Eliza Orleans, everybody.

1091
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't think so Honey is

1092
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: related to it. But what are your broad impressions of

1093
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: what's gone down in the last week, you know what

1094
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean? I want to hear from you, like where

1095
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: where were you? What's your experience with all of this

1096
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: before we get out and think so Honey, Oh my gosh, um,

1097
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: it's like hard to even believe that it's real. Like

1098
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: I think it's still sinking in for me that we

1099
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: that we beat Trump. But I think, you know, election

1100
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: night was tough, Like like you both were saying at

1101
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: the beginning, this was this was hard and it was

1102
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: not a referendum on Trump and the rest of the GOP,

1103
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: which has been completely complicit with all of the horrors

1104
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: that he's perpetrated over these last four years. So I

1105
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: think that was pretty devastating to witness and to be like, wow,

1106
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: seventy million people and even if we win, like seventy

1107
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: million people in this country voted for him, like agree

1108
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: with all of these horrible things that he's done. Um.

1109
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: But then of course when it was announced, I met

1110
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: up with people and we danced in the streets and

1111
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: we cheered and we chanted USA, and it was like

1112
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: we can be like proud to be American again. You know.

1113
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, let's let's take back the Americans,

1114
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: let's take back patriotism, let's take that. You know. So

1115
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: that's and then and then the next day I was like, so,

1116
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: do we get to start protesting Joe Biden yet or

1117
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: to because I I spoke with you right after he

1118
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: announced comalass VP and I asked how you were feeling

1119
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 1: and you were like not great, You're feeling great, yeah,

1120
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: but honestly. But then of course I got down to

1121
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: business and I was like, all right, now got win.

1122
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: It all costs, Like we have to win this, um,

1123
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: and we can push for the progressive policies that need

1124
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: to happen, we can push to end things, but like

1125
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: we had to get them. We had to get them

1126
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: a win um. And it is historic. I mean when

1127
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: I watched her speak, I cried, and you know I

1128
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: cried watching him speak. I was like he wasn't even

1129
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: in my top five. Like and I'm crying speaking, It's

1130
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: like this just this emotional emotional build up over over

1131
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: four years of really fighting back and resisting and pushing

1132
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: for for change. So it's it's definitely historic. And I'm

1133
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm certainly you know, happy ish with the results and

1134
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: and we'll keep But you know the problem is, I

1135
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: think some people are like, Okay, cool, now what are

1136
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: you guys all gonna do with all your mental space

1137
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 1: and energy. I'm like, whoa, whoa. Work is not done.

1138
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: It's just needs to work even harder, Like this is

1139
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: the beginning exactly. And you know, like, like I said

1140
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: at the top of the app um, these leaks about

1141
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: what the what the cabinet choices might be, are not

1142
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: it you guys, And I mean we need to be

1143
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: really really um stride and vocal about that. I know

1144
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: you referred to yourself proudly as a Warren Democrat. Do

1145
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: you see any role for her and that administration? Or

1146
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: you think she's good where she is in the Senate.

1147
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: She should be in the administration. You know, she should

1148
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: be wherever she wants. And if that's Treasury secretary, she

1149
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: should be Treasury secretary. She would be incredible, incredible in

1150
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: the administration. Have you met her? Yes, three times? That's

1151
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: the cool. Have you seen the pictures of me from

1152
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: the first time I met her? I was actually I

1153
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: was kind of just asking. I didn't know you knew that.

1154
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: So I was walking with a friend, actually the friend

1155
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: that I was celebrating with on the streets on Saturday. Um.

1156
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: We were walking from Union Square up UM. I think

1157
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: we were walking up Park Avenue South, and I was

1158
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about Elizabeth Warren because I'm like, I

1159
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: was like always talking about this is when she was

1160
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: still running obviously, and I was and I was like,

1161
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: I really truly believe. I think she's gonna be our

1162
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: next president. Like she's so amazing. And I go, oh

1163
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: my god, there she is. My friend goes what and

1164
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: I go, there's Elizabeth Warren. And then I took off

1165
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: and I ran across the street and she It was

1166
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: the night of the CNN Climate town hall, so she

1167
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: was just walking because that's what she does. She walks

1168
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: like ten miles a day. She's like, you know, and

1169
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: she's very recognizable in her card again and her Oh

1170
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: my god. And I was like and She's standing there

1171
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: and she's got a few people around, and I was like,

1172
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was like, can I say hi?

1173
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: Can I? Is it okay if I say hied her?

1174
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: And they were like, give us your phone. So they

1175
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: just started snapping pictures of me, and I am doing

1176
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: my Eliza things of being like like my my like

1177
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: neck tendons or like bulgeit. I'm like freaking out. I'm

1178
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: so excited. I'm like, I was just talking about you.

1179
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: I love your criminal justice reform plan. Thank you for

1180
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: mentioning public defenders. I mean, I'm just like gushing, like

1181
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: embarrassing me. I was shaking, and I like, I've met

1182
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: like legit celebrities. I've met like super Bowl winning athletes.

1183
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: I have met like rock stars, like top number one

1184
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: on the charts, top musicians, and I'm like, Hi, nice

1185
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: to meet you on and like the only meltdown I've

1186
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: ever had over anyone like that that was embarrassing Shan

1187
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: Girling was Elizabeth worn I gotta say, We're being at

1188
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: SNL on the last show before Lockdown. Everybody at that show,

1189
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: including our very good friend, our best friend, Sudie Green,

1190
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: who's worked at that show for six seasons, never get starstruck,

1191
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: knows what the boundaries are. She was like, it was

1192
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: the first time you've ever seen her nervous around someone.

1193
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm nervous. I was like, that's her hero,

1194
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: and like I was so, so, so nervous to meet her.

1195
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: And it was just such a seamless, natural, warm interaction

1196
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: where she was like would you like a picture? Immediately

1197
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: just was like would you like a picture? And we

1198
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: were like yes, Um yeah, just like what if? What if? What? What?

1199
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: What if? What a figure? I mean, like her and

1200
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: Bernie just kind of really shifted my whole definite view

1201
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: of what can be done, of what a candidate could be. Um,

1202
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: that's that's amazing. That's amazing that you've gotten, that you've

1203
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: gotten to meet her. You know, she's incredible. I mean

1204
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: I idolized her. The party better too, because like the

1205
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, like sometimes it's annoying how big of attent

1206
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: it is because you feel like you're screaming to be heard.

1207
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: But it really was kind of inspiring to see there

1208
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: was there was like a lot of exchange of very

1209
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: different ideas all throughout our debate process and our primary process,

1210
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of people were frustrated with

1211
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: the primary process. But I actually thought, you know, at

1212
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: least all of these things are being spoken out loud

1213
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: on a on a world stage. I mean, now they

1214
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: are saying things like medicare for all. It's like part

1215
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: of people's everyday language, you know what I mean, Like

1216
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: defund the police is it has traction and like everyone everyone,

1217
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, if you're on the right side of things,

1218
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: you're behind it. Like so these things, I mean, we've

1219
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: shifted the overton window on a lot of a lot

1220
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: of topics where you know, people were not talking about

1221
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: these I mean even even on criminal justice issues, you know.

1222
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: I mean Joe Biden is the first president elected in

1223
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: our country who says categorically we should abolish the death penalty. Yeah,

1224
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: it's a big deal, big deal, you know. He says

1225
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: things like we should end cash bail, we should abolish

1226
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: like it is. I mean, listen, is he as progressive

1227
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: as as as any of us want? No? Probably not.

1228
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: But like the fact that these things are being said,

1229
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: and the fact that that there are people within our

1230
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: party who just continue to push for those things, is

1231
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: is a really big deal, really big deal, especially those

1232
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: who were on the national stage, people like Elizabeth Warren

1233
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: and Bernie Sanders and Julian Castro, like who really pushed

1234
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: these things? Absolutely, And you know Biden's only saying these

1235
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: things because they were pushed so hard by these individuals

1236
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: or else else. You better, you better bet your bottom

1237
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: dollar they would not being said. Um so, and you

1238
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: know that's because the man's inclination is to float Meg

1239
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: Whitman for the cat. So that's that's that's kind of

1240
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: where there's a rub um. But anyway, Yeah, I just

1241
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: wanted to want it to get And just before we

1242
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: move on, what do you think about, um, the legal challenges?

1243
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: Just as obviously someone in the legal profession, what do

1244
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: you think about what he is doing? Is it just

1245
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: sort of like he's within his rights to check that

1246
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: the election was I guess, quote unquote fair. Um, do

1247
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: you think there's any validity to to this? Like, what's

1248
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: your feedback, um to all of us who's watching this

1249
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: sort of happen as Trump disputes the result, Um that

1250
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: these are completely baseless. He's gone over ten and he

1251
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: will continue to be defeated in the courts because even

1252
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: Republican judges are going to uphold the rule of law.

1253
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: And this is an absolute ridiculous you know, grasping at

1254
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: Straw's effort. Very sassy week for the judiciary, very much

1255
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: that very that. Um. Okay, so um, I'm gonna have

1256
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: to have a sassy week for the judiciary on that,

1257
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: on that one. Okay. So now to move on to

1258
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Um. There's just so much too.

1259
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: I think so honey, And I don't think so honey.

1260
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: But I have narrowed down to something. It is not political, um,

1261
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: but might be for some m hmm. Okay. Do you

1262
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: think I'm really interested to see what this is? This

1263
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers, I don't think so, honey. As time

1264
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so honey. When you're things

1265
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: are freezing in the frigerator, okay, I'm sorry, honey, but

1266
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: the last I checked, thing's supposed to freeze and the freezer, mama.

1267
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: And if I'm going to my refrigerator and I'm looking

1268
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: at the settings and everything seems copasetic, why is my

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Speaker 1: lacroix frozen in the fridge? I don't think so, honey.

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01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: This is a bullshit, because I'll tell you what happens

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01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: when a liquid is frozen, Honey, it's much more difficult

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01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 1: to drink. And I if I'm going to the fridge

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01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: to pull out of something, a can of something, then

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: I better be able to drink it, because if I

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01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: wanted it to be frozen, it would be in the fridge.

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01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: It's like Nicki Minaj said, if I wanted to be

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01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: drinking the pickle juice, I'll drinking pickle juice right now.

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: But anyway, I have a very similar situation between my

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: fridge and my freezer. Someone, please reader with knowledge on

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01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: the situation. If you are an expert on fridges five

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: the way that allies is an expert on our legal system,

1282
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: then please reach out to me and to make me

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01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: understand why this is happening, because until then I don't

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01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: think so, honey, And that's woman. Can I say something?

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,440
Speaker 1: I am, You can say whatever you want. I'm experiencing

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01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: the same exact issue my the other stuff, my Blomberg fridge.

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01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: It's missing an oh. First of all, that's pathetic. B

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01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: L O M B E R G like hello at

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: an extra O. And then make me question whether or

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01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: not this is from a billionaire. But my fridge and

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01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm like turning it up to like the

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01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: highest temperature setting, but it's still freezes my ship. I

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01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: don't know what crazy is going on. And then I have,

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01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: and then I'm an idiot. I'm like, because if you

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01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: can't get your fridge to keep your stuff cold, I

1296
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: really hate when I pull out a can of Seltzer

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01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: and it's like not cold enough. I'm like, what that

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01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: is so New York. That is so New York fridge. No,

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01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm experiencing it. It's these ship New York fridges and

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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: these New York appliances that don't work. And that's another

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: reason why I say, go West, young man, binary friends,

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01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: come out West, come to Los Angeles. I used to

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01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: be you. I used to say, no, it's okay. I'll

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01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: deal with the cold winters and the fridges that are

1305
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 1: that keep my beverages too warm and don't don't cool anything.

1306
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: Now I'm over it. But then again, here I am

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: in a Los Angeles apartment in the the lacroix are frozen.

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: So I don't know what to say. But someone reach

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01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: out to Matt. If you're if you're an expert on

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: l A fridge operations, please someone. One of the cultures

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01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: is out there that knows fridge culture. It's so disappointing.

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01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 1: I tried to make myself a little drink before this,

1313
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: because you know, the Lost cultures have been getting a

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01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: little loose on the episodes. Um, this is our first

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01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: episode with a guest in four episodes. Yes, and we're

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01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: so honored that. I'm um. Anyway, I'll continue to keep

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Speaker 1: the world updated on my fridge maladies. But in the meantime,

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: let's have Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. What

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01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: do you say I have. I have a huge one.

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01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's hot. Hot, it's going to

1321
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:13,759
Speaker 1: start a movement. Okay, I love whenever we preemptively declare

1322
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: a movement will start because of I don't think so honey.

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01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: Because this happened a couple weeks ago when I said

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01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, and then it was the

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01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: people protesting outside of Disneyland that had to stop that.

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01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: Counter protests even it was really ridiculous, and I just

1327
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: want to say they have not been successful. Disneyland is

1328
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: still right fully closed to the city of Anaheim and

1329
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: the County of Orange. Um. Okay, so this is Bowen Yang's.

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01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so any and his time begins now.

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01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, A five G get new

1332
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: PR because no one knows what the hell your deal is.

1333
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: You have people saying, oh my god, it's it's you know,

1334
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: COVID happened because people are setting up five G towers,

1335
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: or you have or you have me. I don't believe

1336
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: those conspiracies. But I'm all over here, like, what the

1337
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: hell is ultra wide band? I don't know. You're not

1338
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: communicating effectively what you even are. I cannot align myself

1339
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: with whether or not I like you five G if

1340
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: I support you five because I don't know what the

1341
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: hell you are. I thought I had five G LT

1342
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: this whole damn time on my iPhone eleven Pro, and

1343
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: then I upgrade to it to A twelve and it's

1344
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: still and it's I still get the same L T

1345
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: E A T and T is has not upgraded to

1346
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: ultra wide band. But and yet I don't know what

1347
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: ultra wide band is. I don't know five G as

1348
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: an overall concept. Five G. You have to just present

1349
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: yourself better. You have not had the debut Tom five

1350
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: for us to know who you are you are not.

1351
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: You have not introduced yourself rightly into high society and

1352
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: that one minute. And I just want to say, when

1353
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: you started going off about ultra wide, five G, etcetera,

1354
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: you might as well have been speaking Mandarin as if

1355
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: you were at the beginning of this episode. Because I

1356
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: don't know what any of this is five G. I

1357
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: don't know what. I'm pretty good at parsing out all

1358
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: of this technical stuff I have, no I cannot really too.

1359
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the hell is going on

1360
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: with this five G. Okay, now it's time for Alis

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01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: the Orleans. I don't think so. I'm like nervous. I've

1362
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: been like thinking about this all day because I wanted

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: to be pop culture but like kind of like Clase

1364
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: I related. You guys have no idea, like obsessed about it. Okay,

1365
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: I think I nailed it. I think I got a

1366
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: good one that is a really good overlap between my

1367
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: my platforms and pop culture. Here we go, bo yango,

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01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: are you gonna count it down? Yes, this is a

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01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 1: Liz of Orleans. I don't think somebody her time starts now. Okay,

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Copaganda, heroical depictions of the police.

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: It is a widespread tactic by the police and the media.

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,839
Speaker 1: And I don't think Sonny the air TVs and movies

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01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: that portray cops as heroes. They do performative displays of solidarity,

1374
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 1: sometimes moments for tear gassing innocent protesters. I hate turning

1375
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: on my TV and seeing these shows that are making

1376
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: millions of dollars which glorifies and justifies and normalizes the

1377
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: systemic violence and making heroes out of police and prosecutors.

1378
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: As a public defender for my whole career, I know

1379
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: that this is not the reality. And yet these shows

1380
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: employ former police officers as their consultants and downplay the

1381
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: presence of police violence against last people, and they normalize

1382
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: police misconduct and violent crime is down, and yet most

1383
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: Americans believe crime is going up because of this, and

1384
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: it makes it harder for us to push the systemic change.

1385
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 1: And as someone who is going to change these things,

1386
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: I need them to stop this straight up capaganda. Yeah,

1387
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. That was one of the best

1388
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: ones we've had in months. Oh my gosh, so right.

1389
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: That is the definition of I don't think so, honey.

1390
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: That is exactly right, and especially in the current sort

1391
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: of way that we all consume media, which is just

1392
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: like through like a little um recorded deo on social

1393
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: media or something where it's like this woman crying, this

1394
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: female cop crying because she wasn't served McDonald's properly or

1395
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: something like remember remember that from like June. I was

1396
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: just like wait a minute, like we're really just like

1397
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: playing to like our I mean, but they think they're

1398
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: being like very calculating in the way that they're trying

1399
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: to like drum up sympathy in a way that is

1400
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 1: like very transparent. And it was also like almost comical

1401
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: because it's like I don't care that this cop wasn't

1402
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: given McDonald's, Like they funk up my order all the time,

1403
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: Like this is but it's like seeing these things where

1404
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: they're like like even um, you know at Washington Square

1405
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: Park when they had like the them linking arms of

1406
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: the protesters or kneeling with the protesters, yet every other

1407
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: day they pepper pepper spraying like batoning, you know, and

1408
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: and like kettling crowds. Like it's like, you know, come on,

1409
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: come on. It's like it's like it's like the cops

1410
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: who took a knee in one picture, but then they

1411
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: literally zoom in on the back and then they find

1412
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: that cop like literally beating protesters with with with a

1413
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: stick like the next day, it's like, you guys, this

1414
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: is so transparent and honestly, just like I don't know,

1415
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right word is, craving. It's

1416
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: just like so dumb to me that, like you think

1417
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: that this is something that we all fall and some

1418
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: people do. Unfortunately, they stunt during the day and then

1419
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: they show up as themselves when the cameras aren't there

1420
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: at night and when when they know when they know

1421
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: it's not going to be as easy to be um

1422
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 1: to manipulate everyone into thinking that they're like actually on

1423
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: their side but just doing their job, like no, fuck you.

1424
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: And it's also the way that they're portrayed in TV

1425
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: and movies and how like the bad guy is always

1426
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: the person who's accused of a crime and the good

1427
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,560
Speaker 1: guy is always like the police and the prosecutor. And

1428
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: it kind of shows this like it's contemporary, you know,

1429
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: pop culture really like displays that police officers are acting

1430
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: in this way that they know what they're doing. They're

1431
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: always extremely competent, they're always is like doing the right

1432
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: thing and fighting on the side of justice and that's

1433
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: not the reality. Thank you for thank you for bringing

1434
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: up these consultants by because that's where that's the source

1435
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: of it all. And I did hear that on some shows.

1436
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: I won't say which, but like that that that that

1437
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: I have friends that right for some of these shows,

1438
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: and that there's going to be changes in the way

1439
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: that they tell their stories and as as some of

1440
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: them wrap up their series, that that they're going to

1441
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: respond to the moment. We'll see how well. But um,

1442
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 1: it's true, it's on. They're on every network and they

1443
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: have been really since the since the you know, musty

1444
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: TV days, you know what I mean, Like it was

1445
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: we had NYPD Blue and all these shows, and it's

1446
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: just become such a not for nothing but um, you know,

1447
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: easy container to fill with narrative that they do it

1448
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: because it's very easy to be cyclical with it in

1449
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: terms of the storytelling, in terms of like the narrative,

1450
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 1: because you have your built in characters, that you have

1451
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: your heroes and your villains for whatever it's worth, and um,

1452
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's crazy. And I've been really happy

1453
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: over the past several months to see that discussed and

1454
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm certainly happy to see it. I don't think so

1455
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: honeyed so expertly now, Thank you, thank you hot damn.

1456
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: I have to say, I was like, I know, I've

1457
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 1: got a lot of pressure on myself for that. I

1458
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I have to get you did it

1459
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: and if if anything, if if anything else, that has

1460
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: to earn at least a ten dollar donation from you

1461
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: reader to Eliza Orleans dot com to help get Eliza

1462
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: in office as the Manhattan d A and make our

1463
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: city better. And I just want to say, as someone

1464
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 1: who's living in Los Angeles and just saw Nitthia Rahman elected,

1465
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: you can make your city better. You can, and let's

1466
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: get talking about it and let's start making it happen

1467
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: and start making the change because telling you like it

1468
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: is real, it can happen. And you know the fact

1469
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: that he's being so complacent right now and not even

1470
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: campaigning or announcing a campaign. Let him be complacent. Let's

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01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: get let's build that ground support, let's get it happening exactly.

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01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Max out for Eliza, as we say,

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01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: mats out for Eliza. It's not if you can't max

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01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,520
Speaker 1: out with your wallet, max out with your enthusiasm, your support,

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01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: spread the message. I mean this, I mean the thing

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Speaker 1: that distinguishes you from any other Canada rights not even

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Speaker 1: right now, just overall, is that you are a public defender.

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Speaker 1: We imagine that the impact that has to get a

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Speaker 1: public defender in the District Attorney's office in Manhattan. Huge, huge, huge,

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Speaker 1: huge huge, Eliza, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: It's been our honor. Oh my god, no, it was

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Speaker 1: so great to be here. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: This is so much fun. We love it. Okay, so,

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Speaker 1: as you know readers, we do end every episode with

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Speaker 1: a song. Bowen Yang. What are you thinking? I think

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Speaker 1: you take the lead on this one. I can't think

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Speaker 1: of anything. Okay, here we go. God, it's sing the

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Speaker 1: song again, sat beside, make a choice, make a choice

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Speaker 1: through the niline line. And if you want to hear

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Speaker 1: that song sung, well go look up Celindion's version or something. Bye.

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Speaker 1: By