WEBVTT - Lemonade

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Shorty. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Jerry. Let's get things started. Yeah, let's get it started.

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<v Speaker 1>And here. Did you ever have eliminated stand growing up

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<v Speaker 1>at all? I believe I did, but it was kool aid? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>who am I kidding? It was flavoring to your cult leader.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I think I might have had one at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, but I, you know, very famously grew up

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<v Speaker 1>on a in the woods, on a street with like

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<v Speaker 1>six houses, So I don't. I can't imagine that it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been on my street because it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been completely pointless. So your trick or treating just sucked. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we had to go other places. Did you have to

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<v Speaker 1>take a car to go other places? Yeah? Drive over

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<v Speaker 1>to a friend's house who lived in a big neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>that I was so jealous of. That's a good friend

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<v Speaker 1>to have. I feel like we've had this conversation before.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably we've had every conversation before by now. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is not about Halloween. This is about the origins

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<v Speaker 1>of lemonade, and also of the lemon itself. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know this, Chuck. We have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>where the lemon came from none. We know that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a higher It's a hybrid of a sour orange

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<v Speaker 1>and a citron um, so we know that it was

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<v Speaker 1>crafted by human hands, but we have no idea who

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<v Speaker 1>did this, where they did it, and exactly when they

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<v Speaker 1>did it, which I find fascinating. I liked lemons before,

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm in love with them. Yeah, and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you talk about citrons in the Pompei episode. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what you were getting there, right, right, But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize that they were citron's right, you were like those

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<v Speaker 1>weird big lemons that don't have any juice and are

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<v Speaker 1>all rind. Yeah the size of your head. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>about right. But uh, you know, everyone knows you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of Jews from a citron. So what

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<v Speaker 1>you need if you wanted to make lemonade was a

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<v Speaker 1>real lemon. And apparently they have traced at least the

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<v Speaker 1>precursor to lemonade, uh to medieval Egypt, where they made

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<v Speaker 1>something called cosh Cob not cash Cab the Great TV

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<v Speaker 1>Show or kush Kari the guy who handled the tart

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<v Speaker 1>bail out. Uh. Oh, that's rights kash Karai. Uh fermented

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<v Speaker 1>barley combined with mint, rude, black pepper, and citron leaf.

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<v Speaker 1>And I could see you actually trying to make a

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail out of this in ancient cocktail. Yeah, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to look up rue. It's like a very pretty meadow flower.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what it would taste like, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they had me at fermented barley. Really there's some Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some extra vodka in there in your set. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I love fermented anything. I love it, man, I'm crazy

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<v Speaker 1>about kombucha. I love pickles, all of anything. If you

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<v Speaker 1>ferment anything, I will eat it. Throw an old shoe

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<v Speaker 1>in a vad of vinegar, He'll eat it in a month.

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<v Speaker 1>If if I go, I should say, when I eventually

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<v Speaker 1>go to Iceland, I will be trying that fermented shark

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<v Speaker 1>that's supposed to be like the nastiest thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I will try it because I love fermented stuff. Yeah, no, thanks. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another thing that came out of Um Egypt I

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<v Speaker 1>think as well, called Katarmazat, and it's lemonade. There's really

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<v Speaker 1>no other way to put it. And it was made

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<v Speaker 1>in at least the tenth century, so again medieval times

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<v Speaker 1>in Egypt. Um. It was either created or sold or

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<v Speaker 1>consumed or all three of those by the Jewish community

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<v Speaker 1>in Cairo. Um, and they just basically added sugar and

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<v Speaker 1>lemon juice together to make katarmazat, which again is that's lemonade.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think earlier than that, honey was probably what

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<v Speaker 1>people used. But you know, lemon's are so tart you

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<v Speaker 1>need some sugary agent to cut that and make it

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<v Speaker 1>drinkable for sure. But we so we know that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>they made something from something like maybe citron or if

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<v Speaker 1>not lemon. The first reference to a lemon tree is

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<v Speaker 1>from the tenth century as well, in an Arabic book

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Farming by a guy named Acustas al Roumi, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was the first to mention a lemon try. Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>so we know that they were around by then. They

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<v Speaker 1>may have been around for a few hundred years by

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<v Speaker 1>then from what I saw, I think northern India, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it was in Italy by two d This is lemons,

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<v Speaker 1>not lemonade. Yet. We haven't reached lemonade exactly yet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you want to talk about what we think

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<v Speaker 1>of modern lemonade, you need to go to seventeenth century Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>where in Paris. In fact, they even have a day

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly August. August sixty. Uh, it made its debut, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a sparkling version of sparkling water, lemon juice and honey. Yeah. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever added just sparkling water to lemonade? No?

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<v Speaker 1>But I drink those uh things that we used to

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<v Speaker 1>have here in the office that are so delicious surge. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the name. Jolt. It's the one where

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<v Speaker 1>you peel like the foiley paper off the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the can. First. Oh, Sam, pellegrina, Yeah, the pellegrino lemon.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, drink many of them because they're like

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<v Speaker 1>super sugary and stuff so good, but they're so delicious. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and like their blood orange, they're grapefruit. All of them

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<v Speaker 1>are so good. Yeah, you're right. They are pretty sugary though,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you read the back of the can, you're like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a coke. Yeah exactly. So that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta avoid that stuff, but it's worth it though.

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<v Speaker 1>Once in a while, you got to treat yourself chuck. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So these vendors in Paris would sell the stuff from

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<v Speaker 1>tanks on their back and it was wildly successful across

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<v Speaker 1>Europe because it is so refreshing, and apparently even in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen seventy six it was so popular that the vendors

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<v Speaker 1>got together and formed a union, eliminate union called the

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<v Speaker 1>Campagnie de lemonardils nice work. And then eventually it hit

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger craze because of a man named Joseph Priestley,

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<v Speaker 1>probably related to Jason Priestley, I think clear. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about him in the nitrous oxide episode. Yeah, he invented

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that made carbonated water. I guess was that

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<v Speaker 1>before Mr Swept Yes, okay, no, maybe maybe contemporaneously. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was around the same time. He was

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<v Speaker 1>in the late eighteenth century, maybe mid eighteenth century. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Schwebt came up with his thing in the seventeen eighties, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that made it even more popular with this fizzy version. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's take a quick break and then we'll move

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<v Speaker 1>across the pond to America right after this. Alright, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>so we've made it across to the United States, a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>By the eighteenth century, um lemonades all over America, and

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<v Speaker 1>again people are adding like sparkling water or soda to lemonade,

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<v Speaker 1>which I want to encourage it. It's so good, it's um.

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<v Speaker 1>And by about the time of the the late nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century lemonade it was pretty popular. People liked it um

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<v Speaker 1>and the Temperance movement actually clamped onto it and said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a really good alternative to liquor. You want

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<v Speaker 1>some liquor, forget about it. Just drink some sparkling lemonade

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll you'll be as trash as you want. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you enjoy it in its best form, which

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<v Speaker 1>is to add liquor. All right. I think the Temperance

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<v Speaker 1>movement was like, don't do that. Yeah, it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was apparently sun kissed even back then, which I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know it was. Around back then they had a slogan

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<v Speaker 1>that said goodbye to liquor, his to lemonade. Yes, everyone went,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lame substitute. They said, do we have to choose?

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<v Speaker 1>So there was actually a period in UM in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century eighteen seventy seven to eighteen eighty one where

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<v Speaker 1>if you were invited to a white house dinner or

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<v Speaker 1>function or something you were not going to be served liquor,

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<v Speaker 1>you would probably you probably get in big trouble because

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<v Speaker 1>Rutherford B. Hayes, he was the one who um who

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<v Speaker 1>signed that um that executive order to apparently to curry

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<v Speaker 1>favor with the the Prohibition party. UM. But his wife

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<v Speaker 1>was very well known as a teetotaler. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>big time into temperance movement. His wife Lucy Lucy Hayes,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was dubbed lemonade Lucy because UM, people, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess wanted to to poke fun at her for her

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs and that wasn't a very good job. And she

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<v Speaker 1>sighed and said, well, I guess it's better than liquor, Lucy.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, we hadn't thought about that. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that lemonade had a circus connection, did you. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that this was a thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>apparently lemonade, and especially pink lemonade has a circus connection, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it came from the or at least in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy nine from West Virginia's Wheeling Register newspaper told

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<v Speaker 1>a story about how the circus turned lemonade pink. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are a couple of different many different versions, but

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<v Speaker 1>the two U two stories that stuck of how this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>One is sounds like it could be delicious, and one

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<v Speaker 1>is really gross. Yeah. So one is found in a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twelve obituary in the New York Times for a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Henry E. Allett. And this would have happened

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<v Speaker 1>years and years before because he ran away as a

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<v Speaker 1>boy to join the circus. And this, this story is

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<v Speaker 1>that he was um. He accidentally dropped some red colored

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<v Speaker 1>cinnamon candies into a out of lemonade and just said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to throw this away, and he sold

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<v Speaker 1>it as pink lemonade and people loved it. I bet

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. That's what I'm thinking, is that? And what

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<v Speaker 1>are the little cinnamon candies that we ate when we

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<v Speaker 1>were kids. Cinnamon candies? You remember their name? They were

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<v Speaker 1>like right next to the lemonheads. Yeah, oh um, I remember, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>red Hot. It's a good job. The other one I

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<v Speaker 1>remember is Alexander the Grape. The other I remember is

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<v Speaker 1>Boston Baked Beans, Yeah, which are not actually beans, they're nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>They're candy coated peanuts. Such a weird name. It is

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<v Speaker 1>like have you ever had Boston cottage cheese? It is

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<v Speaker 1>not that God, but this pink lemonade a bet with

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<v Speaker 1>a like a little hot cinnamon. I bet that's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty delicious thing to drink. It could be sure like

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<v Speaker 1>today when you make pink lemonades usually like red food

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<v Speaker 1>coloring or something like that. But back in the day

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<v Speaker 1>after pink lemonade was created, Um, what's Dr Kellogg's name,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy from Battle Creek, Oh, I can't remember his

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<v Speaker 1>first name. Well, he um, he came up with a

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<v Speaker 1>recipe that uses like either grenadine or cranberry juice or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that to make it pink and just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of slightly alter the flavor. Right. The other origin story, though,

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<v Speaker 1>that is gross that I mentioned was from fifty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is when a circus concession worker was in

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<v Speaker 1>a big hurry to make a batchel of lemonade, grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>the first water they could find, which apparently was a

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<v Speaker 1>washtub full of pink water from a performer's dirty pink tights.

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<v Speaker 1>And they used that and people enjoyed it. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they knew what the source was of the

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<v Speaker 1>pink water. That's pretty gross, that is, but either way,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna go with the other one. The Henry E.

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<v Speaker 1>Allett went, Okay, yeah, the red hots agreed. Well that's

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<v Speaker 1>it for lemonade, right, Yeah, I got nothing else, unless actually,

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<v Speaker 1>should we mention the make lemons out of lemonade origin?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, good call man. Yeah. Apparently this was a

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<v Speaker 1>borrowed phrase by Elbert Hubbard in nineteen fift for an

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<v Speaker 1>obituary for a humorous named Marshall Pickney Wilder. And Wilder

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<v Speaker 1>was three and a half feet tall, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>a world famous, kind of household name comedian, and at

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<v Speaker 1>one point he didn't want people to be stigmatized, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said something like Fate handed me a lemon, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've made lemon ade of it, and that's the earliest

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<v Speaker 1>place that people can find that. Good for that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. I got anhing else. It's a great origin story.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I don't either. If you want to get in

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