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Speaker 1: about this filthy, foul disgusting RV encampment in Silmar.

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Speaker 2: More than twenty RVs are packed tightly onto a property

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Speaker 2: in the fourteen hundred block of Hubbard Street. Although I

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Speaker 2: look in this update story, neighbors are saying the stench

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Speaker 2: a little less since Eyewitnessed News did a bunch of

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Speaker 2: be the RV residents more careful with one with their sewage.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing spring well, well, where

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Speaker 2: are they putting it? I don't know, But the neighbors

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Speaker 1: Be a little less. Yeah, well, they've horrific human waste

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Speaker 1: pouring out into the streets, into the yards, and you

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Speaker 1: can imagine blake trolley was sent into this. H Did

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Speaker 1: you come back with it? Any diseases or infections.

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Speaker 3: Not that I know of. You know, it's funny. I

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Speaker 1: What did they bleach everything? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I was wondering what happened, because I remember thinking it

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Speaker 3: I get closer, I would start to smell it, even

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Speaker 1: What did you find when you got there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is an interesting property. It's essentially a

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Speaker 3: this is one of those old lots in Silmar and

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Speaker 3: it's up to the city of La to enforce this.

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Speaker 3: And I've been told just right before I got on here,

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Speaker 4: They say this is a total violation to have them there.

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Speaker 3: And the neighbors I spoke with today say, yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: You may not know this, but I wonder how many

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Speaker 3: I was talking to a guy who said, yeah, we've

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Speaker 4: For a few years.

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Speaker 3: He said, one of his neighbors was reaching out and

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Speaker 1: Right, But the house is that, But the house is

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Speaker 4: The houses that are being impacted are in San Fernando.

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Speaker 4: But to get the RVs off the property.

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Speaker 3: This comes down to LA So the city attorney has

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Speaker 1: She owns property. Yeah in La City. Yeah, see that

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Speaker 1: that was not that They always do this. They come

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of questions as to why any you know,

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Speaker 3: the exact same thing you're saying, John. Now that it's

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Speaker 1: The Garcetti administration ever cared. They let the whole city

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Speaker 1: go to rot for the last nine years. So what's

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Speaker 3: Well, more than one hundred and seventeen neighbors have also

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Speaker 3: signed off onto a petition saying they don't feel safe.

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Speaker 3: I spoke with two people today that said their concern

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Speaker 3: Neighbors have complained about noise, foul smells, trash. Now we're

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Speaker 3: hearing about crime. Even one woman says raw sewage ended

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Speaker 3: She says her neighbor or her homes being impacted. If

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Speaker 3: we could go to Bite one, being.

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Speaker 5: Dealing with a lot of bad smelling around this area.

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Speaker 5: Also the drain and our house is getting more like

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Speaker 4: Having foul smells come up from your shower.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we do, we do.

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Speaker 3: And now I want to go to this other Bite.

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Speaker 3: I spoke with another neighbor. He said he's noticing the smells.

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Speaker 3: He actually was showing the videos sent to him from

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Speaker 4: If we go to Bite two, so yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Can just kind of see what looks like some sort

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Speaker 3: They said this to your personal Well, yeah, yes, they

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Speaker 6: In the video tape, you can see it's under lawn

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Speaker 1: But he recovered. But it's sad.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to talk to those neighbors, but I

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Speaker 3: guess they're on vacation. They were out of town, but

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Speaker 3: they were, yeah, living. That home that he was talking

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Speaker 3: and they're saying they were pumping sewage down their driveway.

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Speaker 3: He was just trying to film it. Just by filming it.

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Speaker 3: Apparently he got sick and ended up going to the hospital.

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Speaker 3: I want to go to one last bite. The same

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Speaker 6: A second, I heard some trash cans, like the big

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Speaker 6: And this then next morning one of my winschew weapons

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Speaker 4: Are you pretty sure he was from that?

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Speaker 6: I can't say, well, yeah, is it happening? People behind

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Speaker 6: you suspect it? I suspected. Our neighbors have their mailbox

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Speaker 6: docked down, kicked over, broken, people of the stuff disappeared

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Speaker 6: stuff has increased in the neighbor since then. Campman started,

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Speaker 6: what what do these people do? Are they all unemployed?

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Speaker 3: I saw kids this morning. I saw a woman walking

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Speaker 3: The idea I got is that it's just a really

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Speaker 1: Maybe poor families living in RVs and they've got really

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Speaker 1: cheap rent for that property.

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Speaker 3: That's the idea that I gathered from being there. But

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Speaker 3: like the neighbor I spoke with said, you know, while

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Speaker 3: she's saying, well, I'm helping these people with a low rent,

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Speaker 3: he's doing the math saying, you're packing these RVs and

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Speaker 3: now you know this is this is a financial move

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, she's an opportunist. She's taking advantage, you know,

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Speaker 1: of a lack of law enforcement. Wow, and they can't

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Speaker 1: possibly have sewage facilities to handle this. They must have

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Speaker 1: come up with a temporary fix to make the smell

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Speaker 1: go away because there's so many TV crews coming and filming,

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Speaker 1: but there's there's no where to put all that sewage,

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Speaker 1: which is why other people sewage systems are backing up

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Speaker 1: and it's backing up into their showers.

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Speaker 3: I'd be really curious to see what they're going to,

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Speaker 3: you know, what they find if they do any further inspections.

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Speaker 3: I know city inspectors are already out there. That's when

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Speaker 3: they got knocked with these violations and we're told to

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Speaker 3: get the RVs off the property. There is another court

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Speaker 3: hearing on this on July nineteenth, So something we should

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Speaker 3: all be watching is this court hearing July nineteenth to

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Speaker 3: see if any action happens. The city attorney is taking

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Speaker 3: aim at this, but again the neighbors say they've been talking,

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Speaker 3: they've been reporting this for years.

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Speaker 4: They've been reporting this for the last few years.

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Speaker 1: Very good bike, Thank you. All right, thanks guys all.

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Speaker 2: It's Blake Trolly KFI News covering the story we've been

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Speaker 2: talking about. Following up Channel seventh coverage of this RV

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Speaker 2: And next hour. Oh, we got some special fun for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh look, there's some video on channel five of Karen

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Speaker 1: Good lord, there's encampments all over the place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they were studying that. The city council

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Speaker 1: long running, very expensive scam and they don't have any

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Speaker 1: rehabilitation programs that work or that are even functional. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it looks like they they don't even bother to follow through.

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Speaker 1: They don't with with their alleged program.

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Speaker 2: The headline is California spent six hundred million dollars to

440
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Speaker 2: house and rehab former prisoners, and they can't say whether

441
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Speaker 2: or not it helped. It's unclear how many parolees have

442
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Speaker 2: wound back up in prison.

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Speaker 1: They have they're paying we are, which I think is

444
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Speaker 1: on purpose. They don't want the data because if it's negative,

445
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Speaker 1: that's going to kill this. They know it's negative, they

446
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Speaker 1: know it doesn't work. Where is this program anywhere that's worked?

447
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Speaker 1: It doesn't. You have people who are damaged since childhood.

448
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Speaker 1: They can't function like a normal person, They can't hold

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Speaker 1: a job, They can't raise a family, they can't deal

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Speaker 1: with responsibilities. Why do you think they're in prison to

451
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Speaker 1: begin with? Why do you think they're on drugs all

452
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Speaker 1: the time. Because they're a mess, and they're always going

453
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Speaker 1: to be a mess. Their brains are all scrambled for

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Speaker 1: one reason or another. We are spending one hundred million

455
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Speaker 1: dollars of work a year on this privately run program

456
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Speaker 1: for parolees. Get this, the state does not collect data

457
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Speaker 1: on whether the paroles found jobs or whether they return

458
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Speaker 1: to prison for another crime. They have no data. They

459
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Speaker 1: didn't even ask, they're not even tracking it. They just

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Speaker 1: spent one hundred million dollars a year. If you've been.

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Speaker 2: Listening to this show, we go back to the year

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Speaker 2: twenty eleven. They passed eight D one on nine and

463
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Speaker 2: call it the prisoner dumping bill that started all this.

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Speaker 2: And this is when Jerry Brown was governor and some

465
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Speaker 2: judge was said, the prisoners are true growded. Well here's

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Speaker 2: where we are today. There are one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: thousand people in prison back then. Now there's only ninety

468
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Speaker 2: five thousand, and cal Matters did a year long investigation

469
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Speaker 2: on parole re entry programmed records, and they said, first corrections,

470
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Speaker 2: department data is out Department data is outdated, inaccurate, doesn't

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Speaker 2: even exist. When the department provided cal Matters with a

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Speaker 2: roster of more than four hundred locations providing rehab services,

473
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Speaker 2: while we visited twenty three of them, we found there

474
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Speaker 2: were inaccurate addresses, one with a padlocked gate in front

475
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Speaker 2: of a closed site. Another appeared to be abandoned. See,

476
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Speaker 2: they did little audit of the four hundred locations and

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Speaker 2: they got dead ends. Because that's what this mostly is.

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Speaker 2: I like the phrase inaccurate dresses. In other words, they

479
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Speaker 2: went there and the place didn't exist. Yes, just bs,

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Speaker 2: it'll write something down. This is all this is a

481
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Speaker 2: rehab place. Write it down so we have a record

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: But wrong address, a fake address. The people who applied

484
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Speaker 1: to get the state money never had a building, never

485
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Speaker 1: had a program. They just took the check and disappeared.

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Speaker 1: There's no such program. They don't even know how many

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Speaker 1: people are in the program.

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Speaker 2: The Department of Corrections published an annual report claiming seventeen thousand,

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Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty participants in the year twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: but a department spokespost and said we served nine thousand,

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Speaker 2: five hundred and sixteen. They later revised the number down

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Speaker 2: to eight thousand, two.

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Speaker 1: Hundred and thirteen. So one says seventeen thousand, one says

494
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Speaker 1: nine thousand, one says eight thousand. Nobody knows. They're all

495
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Speaker 1: made up numbers. Nobody's keeping track. And by the way,

496
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Speaker 1: this is what we should have, an opposing party, some

497
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Speaker 1: kind of opposing political organization, uncovering, publicizing, campaigning on changing.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is one story on one website, cal matters.

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Speaker 1: Cal matters it, which is a great website, but not

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Speaker 1: that many people read it. Data shows only two out

501
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Speaker 1: of five parolees who participated in the rehab program in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty one completed at least one service offered

503
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Speaker 1: to them. Think about that's right, So the response rate

504
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Speaker 1: was only forty percent, and then of that they basically

505
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Speaker 1: just went to one service. So they're nice on how

506
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Speaker 1: the state collect stated, it's unclear if anyone finished all

507
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Speaker 1: of the services offered to them. Rehabilitation is almost entirely fake.

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Speaker 1: It's a word that nobody wants to disagree with. Bah,

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Speaker 1: you don't think people should be rehabilitated, You don't want

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Speaker 1: them to be rehabilitated. You want them to rot in prison,

511
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Speaker 1: don't you. You don't want to give them the second chats.

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Speaker 1: Everyone deserves it, all the cliches, all the stupid cliches,

513
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Speaker 1: and they intimidate you from saying, you know what, I

514
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Speaker 1: don't think people can be rehabilitated. Most of them are loser,

515
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Speaker 1: dead ends, hopeless cases. They're just really violent, really stupid,

516
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Speaker 1: really irresponsible. They're either crazy or they're addicted to drugs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're hopeless. We'll lock them up, let them worry.

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Speaker 2: This from the Remember the homeless industrial complex. We call

519
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: this the rehab industrial complex. The state has spent six

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Speaker 2: hundred million in the past decade. Four large contractors are involved,

521
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Speaker 2: but these companies contract with nearly two hundred nonprofits, private companies,

522
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Speaker 2: or community organizations to provide housing and rehab services for

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Speaker 2: Parolis and four hundred and fifty homes and treatment centers.

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Speaker 2: So you can see what happens when the money gets

525
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Speaker 2: disseminated down the line, it gets spread out in so

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Speaker 2: many different directions. Nobody can see what's going on. Nobody cares,

527
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Speaker 2: and they don't want to.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to know, and it's just all free

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Speaker 1: money that they're getting from us, the taxpayer. They're not

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Speaker 1: trying to do any good work. They didn't even know

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Speaker 1: what to do. Here's one guy that they profiled. You

532
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Speaker 1: tell me what you do with a guy like this.

533
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Speaker 1: How much money do you want to spend on him?

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Speaker 1: His name is Chad Daugherty. He's a Paroli. He went

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Speaker 1: in and out of San Bernardino courtrooms for years. He's

536
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Speaker 1: finally sent to prison in twenty fifteen, got out a

537
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Speaker 1: few years later and sent to a re entry home

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Speaker 1: a state that we were paying for right now. And

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00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: the guy says, I held a job, got myself a car,

540
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Speaker 1: and I was working the program. But he didn't stay long.

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Speaker 1: He was kicked out of one home for threatening the operator.

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Speaker 1: He left another one because it had a ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: curfew and he couldn't work the night shift. He left

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Speaker 1: the program in two months after joining, and the following year,

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, he's back in prison. Then he was

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Speaker 1: released during the pandemic. He had a few months no arrests,

547
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Speaker 1: and then he was charged with possessing narcotics. Then he

548
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: stole a vehicle. Then he was sentenced to four years

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Speaker 1: in prison and he's in San Luis Obispo, in a

550
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Speaker 1: state prison there right now. But this is the story

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Speaker 1: for most of these guys. They don't have any life skills,

552
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Speaker 1: they don't have any self control. They're crazy, they're angry,

553
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: hair trigger tempers. They're always getting into arguments or fights.

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Speaker 2: They talked to a woman, Tammy Cooper Garvin, who was

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Speaker 2: a participant. She went to a women's treatment home in

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Speaker 2: San Francisco called all a wasted time. The program, excuse me,

557
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: was bleeked up. I had to sneak and get a

558
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Speaker 2: job at Target. The site tolerated drug use and violence.

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Speaker 2: This reminds me of those that the skid Row Housing

560
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 2: Trust the same kind of thing. Right, They put these

561
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Speaker 2: people in homes where there's.

562
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Speaker 1: Either the regulations are too stern and they leave, or

563
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Speaker 1: it's too crazy and there's just gangs running selling drugs.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why you don't let a guy work

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Speaker 1: an overnight shift. I mean, I don't understand that because

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Speaker 1: it violates the curfew. Well that's a stupid curfew. Then

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Speaker 1: if you have a job, you should be allowed out

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Speaker 1: at night. Right, you have a job, right, Isn't that

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Speaker 1: the whole point of course? He's going to get the

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Speaker 1: overnight shift because he's a criminal, he's an ex con,

571
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Speaker 1: so yeah, he's going to get the bad shift to

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Speaker 1: start out. And here this other woman you mentioned had

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Speaker 1: to sneak to get a job at Target. Why does

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Speaker 1: she have to sneak? I thought this was the whole

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Speaker 1: purpose is to get it working again. You should read

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Speaker 1: this story if you get a chance at cal Matters.

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00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: It's an eye opener again. It's the rehab industrial complex.

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Speaker 1: Six hundred million dollars spent, and nobody has any idea

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Speaker 1: of prisoners are actually getting anything out of these rehab programs.

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Speaker 1: But that's what we're always told. That's why we had

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Speaker 1: the mass release. Don't worry. Now we have rehab programs

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Speaker 1: to take care of them. There'll be good citizens. You

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Speaker 1: fell for another lie.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a closer look at the Vice President, Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: We're going to bring back some audio from a few

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Speaker 2: years ago when she was questioning Brett Kavanoff at the

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Speaker 2: United States Supreme Court. She was a US Senator at

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Speaker 2: the time, and of course after that ran for president

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Speaker 2: pretty abysmally. Anyway, we're going to compare that to the

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Speaker 2: word salads spews as vice president. We have audio will

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Speaker 2: both that'll come up. We'll also talk about that report

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Speaker 2: John mentioned briefly this hour that did Joe Biden. Apparently

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Speaker 2: insiders say, is quite the temper. He is having anger

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Speaker 2: fits with staff members. Of course, some of them spin

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Speaker 2: it as, oh, this is just the way it is.

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Speaker 2: You learn from that.

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Speaker 1: It's it has spin. It looks like he's running around

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Speaker 1: screaming a lot, which is what Alzheimer's patients do, and

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Speaker 1: so it leaked out. It's bound to right, somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell a reporter, and now they have to come up

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Speaker 1: with the the the alternate reality. Yeah, trial by fire.

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Speaker 1: You have to work and you have to be on

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Speaker 1: your toes with this president right or else he'll they'll

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Speaker 1: call you on it. Sure, No, it's not that he's

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Speaker 1: eighty and he's suffering dimension. It's called sundowner syndrome. Sundown.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, sundown. My dad had it both.

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Speaker 1: Three out of the four of my either in laws

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Speaker 1: or my dad had sundowners. Later in the day, they

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Speaker 1: start shouting at people.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we'll give you that story too. A

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Speaker 2: lot coming up in the two o'clock hour. A couple

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Speaker 2: of well, well known disgusting people in the news. And

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Speaker 2: actually they called him disgraced. I hated that word when

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Speaker 2: I saw it today, the disgraced former gymnastics doctor Larry Nasser.

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Speaker 2: I'm a pervert, yeah, I disgraced, sexual pervert. You are

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Speaker 2: sexually invading young girls, female gymnasts. You're more than disgraced.

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Speaker 1: You're just evil. He didn't steal money, I know, and

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Speaker 1: usually disgraced as a politician who got involved in corruption, right, right,

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Speaker 1: that's a corruption term. This this is like gross sexual acts.

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Speaker 2: I think someone said, well, he was a doctor, so

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Speaker 2: we'll call him disgraced because he's still a moment.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's Nobody wants to speak bluntly. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: say what things really are. The guy who's a filthy

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Speaker 1: pervert is what he is.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was stabbed twice in the neck, twice in

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Speaker 2: the back, and six times in the chest in an

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Speaker 2: altercation at a federal prison in Florida.

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Speaker 1: You know that made me happy when I heard that,

635
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Speaker 1: me too. Actually, oh yeah, but he's alive, I smiled. Well,

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Speaker 1: you wanted to be alive because it means he suffered.

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Speaker 1: He felt it, right, and now he's like living with

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Speaker 1: the memory of being assaulted and carved up down the

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Speaker 1: next round. It would be good to hear that he

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Speaker 1: was killed, but that would be the next good thing. Right.

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Speaker 2: He's apparently been at this prison since twenty eighteen. He

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Speaker 2: was at a different prison and he also got attacked there.

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Speaker 2: I had forgotten that. So they moved him to the

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Speaker 2: Florida prison. And by the way, he's been housed at

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Speaker 2: this since twenty eighteen and unit with other sex offenders.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the word is, if you're a pedophile

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Speaker 2: sex offender, you're on the bottom rung.

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Speaker 1: Then you can easily get get attacked in prison. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's what he was. I mean, some of these

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Speaker 1: girls were underage, they were teenagers. Yeah, I mean those

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Speaker 1: Olympic gymnasts, you know, they're competitive in their early and

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Speaker 1: mid teen years.

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Speaker 2: I remember this is a story that had the FBI

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Speaker 2: apparently was not interested in this story even when it

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Speaker 2: reached them that his abuse went on for I think

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Speaker 2: it was more than another year, because everybody just looked

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Speaker 2: the other way. US Gymnastics, the Michigan State, and even

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Speaker 2: the FBI, which was called into this, and I forget

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Speaker 2: I think the FBI agent was connected somehow and wanted

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Speaker 2: some kind of promotion or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Is it is stunning how many adults are complicit in

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Speaker 1: these sexual abuse cases connected to schools, churches, athletics. There's

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Speaker 1: usually a whole range of grown men and women who

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Speaker 1: knew what was going on and didn't care. All right,

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Speaker 1: So what is that about about human nature? You hear

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Speaker 1: about you and I hear about this stuff, and we're

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Speaker 1: all appalled and angry, and most people I know are.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the people in these institutions and who

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Speaker 1: use these simple word disgraced, right, yeah, right, they soften everything.

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Speaker 1: The dischrist former doctor. The other guy in the news

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Speaker 1: that died is the guy that probably is responsible for

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Speaker 1: all of the tamper proof packaging we've had for the

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Speaker 1: last four decades.

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Speaker 2: Remember the nineteen eighty two title Nall murders in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: The prime suspect was a guy by the name of

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Speaker 2: James Lewis, but they never charged him. But they have

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Speaker 2: had him as a suspect for more than forty years.

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Speaker 2: In the case, he wrote a ransom note to Johnson

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Speaker 2: and Johnson, the parent company that manufactures titled All. He

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Speaker 2: demanded a million dollars for the company if you want

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Speaker 2: to stop the killing. Well, they convicted him of extortion,

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Speaker 2: but they never convicted him of of the title All poisonous.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have video cameras back then. They did not

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Speaker 1: They did not have enough evidence, right, So he got

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Speaker 1: away with that point he out he added himself by

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Speaker 1: sending in the ransom note. But had he not done that?

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Speaker 1: But I guess that was the purpose poisoning peoples. He

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Speaker 1: wanted to make money off it. I guess so. But

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Speaker 1: how do you that's pretty dumb though.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he sent them like a letter and wherever

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Speaker 2: they supposed to just send a check to, like a

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Speaker 2: pill box or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is nineteen eighty two, right, You can't do things

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Speaker 2: this as digitally untraceable as you could.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I'd forgotten that part of the case.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that they actually put a guy away

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Speaker 1: for writing a ransom note.

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Speaker 2: Well that's why he was the prime suspect. But I

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Speaker 2: guess they could never find the evidence. It says here

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Speaker 2: that yes, seven people died in these poisonings in the

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Speaker 2: Chicago area. In nineteen eighty two, he ended up in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: Police were called to the home and he was John unresponsive,

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Speaker 2: your favorite recall report of an unresponsive person on Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: They think his death, though, is from natural causes. Seven

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Speaker 2: people were killed reigning in ages from twelve to thirty five.

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Speaker 2: The tailanal capsules were laced with cyanide, and he of

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Speaker 2: course denied any involvement.

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Speaker 1: And that's why it is impossible to open up any

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Speaker 1: bill bottle, and and and many other packages. I cursed

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Speaker 1: that guy every time because I don't I have bad

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Speaker 1: small motor control.

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Speaker 2: And I had trouble one day getting the plastic off

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Speaker 2: like a bottle of shampoo. And I couldn't believe. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're protecting me from shampoo, all right. I guess somebody

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Speaker 2: could put poison in the shampoo.

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Speaker 1: You poison me. I can't. I can't stand playing with

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Speaker 1: those things all the time, and forget Now the packaging

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Speaker 1: with the laundry pods that they give you now is

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Speaker 1: like there's warnings all over children. I can't tear open

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Speaker 1: those little plastic packaging. I'm just looking up his letter

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Speaker 1: a million dollars. He also is found to possessed the

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Speaker 1: poisoning book and his fingerprints were discovered on pages related

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Speaker 1: to Cyanide. Oh so he had a book on poisons

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Speaker 1: and they know he was reading the Cyanide pages. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they could have gotten a jury to convict

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Speaker 1: him on that. Huh. Yeah, he was sentenced to ten

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Speaker 1: years in prison for extortion, right, and based on the postmark,

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Speaker 1: they thought that he would have been working on the

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Speaker 1: letter prior to the first news reports on the poisonings.

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Speaker 1: So he was all set to go as soon as

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Speaker 1: people were terrified from the news stories, then he was

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Speaker 1: going to offer his deal.

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Speaker 2: The Chicago Tribune just did last year because it would

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Speaker 2: be the fortieth anniversary, a huge podcast, bunch of episodes

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Speaker 2: on the murders. But again he was never convicted. All right,

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Speaker 2: we got more coming up.

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