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Speaker 2: Our one on this Wednesday, Dan and the Danet's Dan

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Speaker 2: Patrick Show wasn't a shock, but they're still an element

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Speaker 2: of surprise with what happened in Pittsburgh. So now we

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Speaker 2: have the Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, Giants, Titans,

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Speaker 2: Steelers all looking for head coaches.

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Speaker 2: The man who's been covering the Steelers for I think

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Speaker 2: three decades, Jerry Dulac from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. He'll

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Speaker 2: join us coming up in about twenty minutes from now,

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Speaker 2: And what he reported on yesterday is Mike Tomlin made

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Speaker 2: the decision to step down with two years left on

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Speaker 2: his contract and a contract that was going to pay

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Speaker 2: him twenty five million dollars a year. I guess if

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Speaker 2: you're looking at next stop, as we've talked about speculated

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Speaker 2: the last two years, it was going to be TV

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Speaker 2: that forthcoming. We've also talked to Alex Smith, former NFL

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Speaker 2: quarterback now working for the Mothership on NFL Countdown. So

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Speaker 2: after nineteen years, Mike Tomlin steps down, and if you're

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Speaker 2: looking at a pattern here, Chuck Nole defensive minded, Bill

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Speaker 2: Coward defensive minded, Mike Tomlin defensive mind. And is that

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Speaker 2: next coach going to be defensive minded? Also probably going

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Speaker 2: to get somebody who is not established, Probably getting somebody

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Speaker 2: who will be in their mid thirties, maybe late thirties.

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Speaker 2: That's been the pattern for the Steelers over the last

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Speaker 2: sixty years.

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Speaker 3: All right, eight.

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Speaker 2: Seven seven three DP show operator Tyler sitting by, He'll

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Speaker 2: take your phone calls today. Seaton poll question for the

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Speaker 2: first hour is what.

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Speaker 4: Well do you want to start with Mike Tomlin or

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Speaker 4: with Mike Tomlin's replacements.

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Speaker 3: Let's do Mike Tomlin Mike Tomlin? Is it fair to say?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Or how do I word this correctly? If Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 4: stepped down or was stepped down?

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Speaker 2: Well, Jerry Dulac, who's covering the team, said, according to

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Speaker 2: his sources, Mike Tomlin made the decision that he was

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Speaker 2: going to step down.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Paul was.

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Speaker 5: A Mike Tollin decision to step down completely voluntary would

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Speaker 5: be my question, completely voluntary?

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Speaker 3: Does it matter?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it.

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Speaker 5: Does a little bit if you compare to what happened

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Speaker 5: to Harball.

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Speaker 3: We no, Harball got fired, right, but I was.

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Speaker 5: I'm curious that the Pittsburgh ownership suggested this course of action.

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Speaker 3: It's a fair question. Harball wanted to stay.

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Speaker 2: Tony Dungee told us that when he talked to the

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Speaker 2: front office ownership, it felt like if Mike wanted to

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Speaker 2: continue to coach, and he had two years left on

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Speaker 2: his contract, then he was going to be able to

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Speaker 2: coach but do I think it's a mutual I don't.

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Speaker 2: I never believe in a mutual parting where you walk

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Speaker 2: in and you both say at the same time, I

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Speaker 2: think that we should break up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. What I kind of want to have happened.

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Speaker 4: If I had sort of like some type of magical

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Speaker 4: Riley leave USC and Mike Tomlin take the USC job,

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Speaker 4: just so five years later we could have that story

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Speaker 6: They'd be like, yeah, see.

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Speaker 3: Nobody believe me, but see what happened.

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Speaker 4: I told you Mike Tomlins taking the USC job.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and you wonder why Mike Tomlin has never

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That was one of those where USC had a list

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Speaker 2: looked at the wish list of who we're going to hire.

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Speaker 3: Who would we be interested in. They want to hide. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they like it's a wish list. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Mike Tomlin was on the wish list, that's all.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't interested, never heard anything. So when I said that, hey,

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Speaker 2: I have somebody who's seen this wish list and said,

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Speaker 3: Is this a joke?

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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden somebody says, yeah, Dan

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Speaker 2: Patrick said that you know you're interested in the USC job,

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Speaker 2: which is not how I phrased it. I said they

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Speaker 2: are interested in Mike.

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Speaker 4: Wait, you mean a reporter framed a question to a

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Speaker 3: Get at. I know they're supposed to be journalists in there.

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Speaker 3: They're professional. They don't do that. No, they don't.

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Speaker 2: Uh So, Mike tom Lincoln Riley to the Steelers, But

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley could go wherever he wants.

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Speaker 4: I just want Mike Tomlin to take the USC job

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Speaker 4: just so we can have some fun with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking receipt Are you taking receipts or dropping receipt?

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Speaker 3: Receipt keeping receipt? You keep them keeping receipt? Yes?

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Speaker 7: To you think Tomlin possibly had a mindset when I'm

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Speaker 7: about to meet the front office and the owners. If

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Speaker 7: I don't immediately feel the love and the confidence and

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Speaker 7: the encouragement that they want me back, anything less than that,

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Speaker 7: I'm just going to step down.

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Speaker 3: I need to hear that right away.

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Speaker 7: And maybe he was thinking about going.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they phrased it. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how you know they did. They pose a question, Mike,

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Speaker 2: we want you back. What do you want to do?

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Speaker 2: We talked about this yesterday, but I think Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 2: probably felt after nineteen years, I need to take a

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Speaker 2: big deep breath here. I need's fifty three. And I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying that this is one of those midlife crisis

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Speaker 2: as much as it is. Okay, I've accomplished this. I've

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Speaker 2: accomplished a lot. I have total respect around the league.

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Speaker 2: Networks are going to want to hire me. You get

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Speaker 2: want to do? And maybe you want to take that

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Speaker 2: and it can be fun in press conferences a little prickly,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know. You put him in studio, you

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Speaker 2: put him doing a game, like I think of you

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Speaker 2: would hire Mike Tomlin. I would want him in studio.

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Speaker 2: I would want to see him and you could control

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Speaker 2: you coach the game, you've won a super Bowl, you've

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Speaker 2: been in the playoffs. That doesn't mean you can do

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Speaker 2: I would say to Mike Tomlin, we want to hire

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Speaker 2: So now I get kind of a head start. Now

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Speaker 2: Matt Ryan is now working with the Falcons, And I

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Speaker 2: brought that up to Bill Cower yesterday. Hey, I'd bring

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Speaker 2: talk to him about you know, the game's coming up,

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Speaker 2: so you have him do his first interview with you.

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Speaker 2: Jay Glazer is a great relationship with Mike. I could

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Speaker 2: see that they haven't replaced Jimmy Johnson. I could see

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Speaker 2: where you bring in Mike Tomlin, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: if he's part of the hijinks that you have at

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Speaker 2: the Fox pregame show, like wacky you know, goofy stuff,

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Speaker 2: Where's CBS you know a little bit more, you know,

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Speaker 2: could be fun as well. But he'll have options. But

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Speaker 2: if I'm NBC, I bring him in and I say

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Speaker 2: we would like to have you through the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: See what he says? All right? So the yes, Ton?

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Speaker 6: Is there a standard of coach owners meeting?

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Speaker 7: I know, like the players, you know they pack up

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Speaker 7: their stuff and you meet with the press and all that.

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Speaker 7: I was just wondering who initiated the conversation, how much

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Speaker 7: that matter? Did Mike Tomlin say, hey, do you got

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Speaker 7: come on and let's talk about some stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, you always have an exit interview every team, every

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Speaker 7: I'm just I'd be fascinated to know just how that started.

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Speaker 7: And you know, not that it'll be aggressive, but who

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Speaker 3: What's our plan? Are we here? We're not here together. Well, no,

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Speaker 3: you have an exit interview. Season's over.

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Speaker 2: You get together, you talk about what short term, long

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Speaker 2: term plans are. This took on probably a different tone

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Speaker 2: where you're walking in and you're saying, all right, what

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Speaker 2: are we doing? We want you back? What are you thinking?

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Speaker 2: Two years left on your contract? What are you thinking?

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Speaker 2: That's probably you know how this was sort of the

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Speaker 2: table was set for this meeting. I can't imagine they'll go, hey, Mike,

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Speaker 2: come on in, let's talk man. So what do you

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Speaker 3: Now? What do you think? You know?

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Speaker 2: I think this was let's start big picture, keep a

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Speaker 2: big picture. If he decides he's going to stay, well

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Speaker 2: now we can have some questions about the roster. And

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Speaker 2: I didn't think I thought at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 2: I thought that this would be the last year for Tomlin,

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Speaker 2: the last year for Aaron Rodgers. And it looks like

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers will be done in Pittsburgh as well. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if there's any other opportunity for him. Somebody

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Speaker 2: suggested to me yesterday, well what if Minnesota brought him in?

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Speaker 2: And I thought, okay, maybe this past year. But now

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's forty three, and he's looking

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Speaker 2: every bit forty three. You still have a couple of

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Speaker 2: good receivers on that team. But and I think they

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Speaker 2: want to open up the competition with AJ McCarthy. But

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Speaker 2: I don't want to one and done, or you know,

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Speaker 2: like Pittsburgh, all right, it was one year, you rolled

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Speaker 2: the dice, you got to the playoffs, and that's it.

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Speaker 3: It didn't work out. But I don't know if I see.

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Speaker 2: A team like you can't have a team go hey,

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Speaker 2: let's bring him in and maybe people like the Cleveland Browns. Hey,

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Speaker 2: maybe somebody will show up to watch Aaron Rodgers play quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I don't see that. I don't think that there's this

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Speaker 2: But with Mike Tomlin, and you're gonna get compensation if

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Speaker 3: Him doing TV boy, he'd be good at TV. I

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Speaker 2: You're fifty three, You're in the middle of a playoff chase,

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Post Gazette and he joins us, Now, how did

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Speaker 3: Jerry?

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Speaker 9: You know, Dan, it's it's been evolving, of course, and

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Speaker 9: I think the final straw was just another one and

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Speaker 9: done in the postseason. That's nine times in Mike Thomlins career.

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Speaker 9: I mean, obviously, you know, people he around here think

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Speaker 9: and to them, I understand why, but it's just it's

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Speaker 9: kind of the same, the same scene every year, get

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Speaker 9: into postseason and then not only get eliminated, but you know,

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Speaker 9: And you know, I know, you know, Dan, people always

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Speaker 9: And you know, Mike Tomlin made the decision for them.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it was completely his decision? Here?

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Speaker 9: I'm still trying to get to the bottom of that, Dan,

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Speaker 9: I don't think they told him, look, we'll let you

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Speaker 9: I'm still still open to the buzz of Delly.

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Speaker 9: You know, Dan, everybody wants to think that, you know,

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Speaker 9: I've never gotten the indication that that's something on his radar,

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Speaker 9: I guess we're going to find out. Nineteen years in

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Speaker 3: What's next for the Steelers.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, obviously their history of hiring head coaches

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Speaker 9: Would imagine that's the direction they are going to go.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if.

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Speaker 9: That's going to be the case, but it's one the

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Speaker 9: it wasn't going to change what they want to do

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Speaker 3: I know that it falls on Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 9: You know, the general manager, Omar Khan, was very aggressive

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Speaker 9: and at some point, you know, the Steelers then never

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Speaker 9: use the word rebuild. And I'm not saying they're going

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Speaker 9: to do that, but you know, they've done it kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're not bad enough to get better by

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when you think of where they've had to draft. Now,

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Speaker 9: And you know you have to go back to TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt to find that guy.

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Speaker 9: And I think that's where they need and they know it.

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Speaker 9: They know those first five picks, first eight picks or

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Speaker 9: where you first five, especially where you find those elite players.

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Speaker 9: First eight to ten is where you find maybe the

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Speaker 9: Pro Bowl players and then you keep your fingers crossed

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Speaker 9: it maybe you land somebody. But they haven't had that

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Speaker 9: guy and that's what they need and they know it.

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Speaker 9: That's what they need to go and try and.

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Speaker 2: Do anybody untouchable on the roster in your opinion, No.

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Speaker 9: No, you know, I don't think I you know, DK

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Speaker 9: metcalf is, I don't think despite that suspension what some

447
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Speaker 9: people want to think, he's coming back. Cam Hayward's going

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Speaker 9: to be thirty seven. But you know, I will tell you, Dan,

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Speaker 9: I don't think anybody is untouchable. They're right tackle Troy Fontano,

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Speaker 9: maybe some of our offensive linemen, but otherwise any of

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Speaker 9: the other guys.

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Speaker 3: No, thanks again, I know you're busy. We appreciate it, Dan.

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Speaker 9: Well, always enjoy being with you.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Doolat covers the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette,

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Speaker 2: also part of the Steelers Radio network. If Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 2: does not take a job in the next two years,

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Speaker 2: there's no compensation for the Steelers. He would be a

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Speaker 2: free agent. And you know, keep in mind the Sean

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Speaker 2: Payton situation when he left the Saints and he ended

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Speaker 2: up with the Broncos. The Broncos had to give up

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Speaker 2: two picks for Sean Payton. Bruce Arians, Herm Edwards, John Ruden,

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, Mike Holme, and Bill Parcells. Those are these

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Speaker 2: seven head coaches traded in NFL history.

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Speaker 3: David in Ohio, Hi, David.

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Speaker 10: Hey, David, Dan speaking, Hey, Hey, Dan speaking of Todd

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Speaker 10: might like this one.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Steelers.

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Speaker 9: Head coaches, I guess you could say that the.

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Speaker 3: Steelers chuck a knowle from Mike Tomlins. Thank you. You

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Speaker 3: can't approve of that, Todd. I can't.

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Speaker 7: I want to because he gave me a little shout

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Speaker 7: and he was trying to do the headline thing.

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Speaker 3: But I think he can do better.

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Speaker 2: Where is Pittsburgh, Dave David Arkansas joints this.

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Speaker 10: I'm right here, Dan. I'm the newest member, I gotta

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Speaker 10: say for a newest member of the d DC. Oh

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Speaker 10: and almost the newest member of the one I see.

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Speaker 10: I got hit in the face of the golf ball

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Speaker 10: and nearly took out on a left eye.

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Speaker 2: So you were going to join PAULI on the one

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Speaker 2: good eye club.

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Speaker 10: Great to have you almost happened.

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Speaker 2: Uh but and condolences with the dead dad club there,

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Speaker 2: But you know, welcome to the club.

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Speaker 9: Yes.

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Speaker 10: Now, as for Tom and his concerned I just think

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Speaker 10: the time was right. I do believe this was totally

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Speaker 10: his decision. There was no forcing of anything from the

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Speaker 10: front office.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 10: So you know it's and I look at it as

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Speaker 10: the next coach might be the last coach. I watch

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Speaker 10: you know the way they go with coaches. My last

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Speaker 10: coach that I watch, I wouldn't mind. I mean a

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Speaker 10: lot of talk has been Brian Flores. You know, do

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Speaker 10: you make the call to Marcus Freeman? I could see that.

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Speaker 2: Oh I make the call. Absolutely. I make the call

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Speaker 2: with Marcus Freeman. I mean, you're the Steelers, you know,

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Speaker 2: you're one of the blue bloods there. But thank you, Dave,

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Speaker 2: and once again, welcome to the Dead Dad's Club. Curtis

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Speaker 2: in Illinois, Hi, Curtis, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 1: Morning?

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Speaker 3: DP? Just calling it today.

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Speaker 11: Everybody's going nuts over who's going to hire John Harbaugh?

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Speaker 11: And then this if Tomlin decides he wants to coach again,

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Speaker 11: there'd be probably just as long as a list. But

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Speaker 11: if you look back at NFL history, there's never been

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Speaker 11: a coach that has won Super Bowls with multiple teams.

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Speaker 11: So if you're hiring for a new coach, don't you

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Speaker 11: just want that younger, hungry coach that has something to gain.

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Speaker 3: Out of it?

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Speaker 2: I would, because this is what everybody has been saying. Man,

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Speaker 2: you could bring in John Harbaugh, you could bring in

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin. Well, if they couldn't get their team over

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Speaker 2: the hump. What makes you think they can get your

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Speaker 2: team over the hump?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you're following the Steelers' history and

518
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Speaker 4: track record, it's probably somebody more like Jesse Minter that

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Speaker 4: makes the most sense defensive coordination With the Chargers, he's

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Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator. They like to hire defensive minded head coaches.

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Speaker 4: And if right now the one thing you can build

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Speaker 4: around is TJ. Watt, bring in a guy who's in

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Speaker 4: his early forties that sort of follows a lot of

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Speaker 4: the same things that the Steelers as an organization really likes.

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Speaker 4: And Jerry Duleak was just saying, you don't come in

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Speaker 4: and bring in all of your people, you come in

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Speaker 4: and assimilate into what is already existing. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I think that he probably makes a lot of sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Jesse Mentor, I think is forty one. Brian Flores probably

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Speaker 4: is going to get a head coaching job, might be

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Speaker 4: with the Raiders, maybe it's Pittsburgh. But back to what

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Speaker 4: I was talking about, where you got John Harbaugh and

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Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanski and Mike Tomlin. Those are all marquee names,

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Speaker 4: proven coaches, but there's a reason why they're not coaching

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Speaker 4: their respective teams, they couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Get them over the hump. Now it's different for Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 2: He did not have the talent there that these other

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Speaker 2: two co John Harball had a future Hall of Fame quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin didn't have that for the latter part of

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Speaker 2: his career. They were looking, they're still looking Lamar jack

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Speaker 2: The Ravens chose Lamar Jackson over John Harbaught feels like

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Speaker 2: like whoever's coaching is coming in and they're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to put Lamar Jackson in a better position to win.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean if you're Atlanta or Arizona, the Giants,

545
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Speaker 2: all of these openings, you'd be going, hey, that's an upgrade.

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Speaker 2: That guy can help us be better. Because if I said, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have you hire a guy who's going

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Speaker 2: to have you in the playoffs for the next ten years,

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Speaker 2: you gotta have winning record the next ten years, but

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Speaker 2: you're going to roll the dice and chances are you

551
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Speaker 2: won't win a playoff game. If you're Atlanta, would you

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Speaker 2: sign up for that? If you're the Giants, would you

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Speaker 2: sign up for that? The Browns would you sign up

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Speaker 2: for that? Arizona would you Tennessee, Like, there's certain teams

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Speaker 2: that their expectator. You know, the Steelers, it's about winning championships.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots, you win championships. Even the Cowboys, who haven't

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Speaker 2: done anything in thirty years, it's still winning championships. Arizona,

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Speaker 2: it's just let's be relevant, let's be competitive. The Giants

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Speaker 2: one of the blue bloods. They have not been good,

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Speaker 2: not consistent. Atlanta, they've been a mess. So there's certain

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Speaker 2: teams Tennessee would take that. Hey, ten years winning record,

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Speaker 2: playoffs every single year, but you're not winning a playoff

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Speaker 2: game in Pittsburgh. That doesn't fly. In Baltimore, that doesn't fly. Yes, Marv.

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Speaker 8: So if you're the Falcons of the Titans, would you say, hey,

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Speaker 8: let's have a Tom Coffin like career where you only

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Speaker 8: make the playoffs twice in ten.

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Speaker 3: Years, but you win Super Bowls? Would you sign up

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Speaker 3: for that? Yes, everybody would.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers would sign up for that, Baltimore would sign

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Speaker 2: up for that. It's sort of like the Florida Marlins,

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Speaker 2: you know, like every five to six years, it'd be like,

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Speaker 2: I'll be damn they won another World Series.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, So the year before you win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 8: you're on the hot seat. He might get fired, but

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Speaker 8: let's win a super Bowl instead.

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Speaker 2: Nick Siriani and they fire their offensive coordinator. I feel

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Speaker 2: bad for Jalen Hurts. He's had a new offensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: every single year, and he's going to have another one

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Speaker 2: next year. And I believe if you look at his

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinators at Alabama, he had a new one every

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Speaker 2: single year. Greatness starts with stability. Who is my coach?

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Speaker 2: Who is my offensive coordinator? Jalen Hurts has not had that.

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Speaker 2: And maybe we'll see that we haven't seen the best

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Speaker 2: of Jalen Hurts because maybe there will be consistency there.

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Speaker 2: But they offensive coordinators, it's it is difficult to play

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Speaker 2: the position to begin with. Then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you got somebody else's coming in now, new terminology, maybe

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Speaker 2: a new mindset. Maybe AJ Brown's not there, Saquon Barkley

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Speaker 2: a year older. Like you know, you got to start

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Speaker 2: factoring these things in. And when we talk about the window,

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Speaker 2: didn't it feel like that Eagles window is wide open,

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Speaker 2: ready for a couple of Super Bowls, winning a couple

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Speaker 2: of Super Bowls.

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Speaker 3: They got to two with this group.

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Speaker 2: Now you wonder It's like the Lions because everybody you know,

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Speaker 2: we have that same approach. Eh, they'll be back. There's

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Speaker 2: no guarantees, no guarantees. Look at Kansas City, man, you

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Speaker 2: got Mahomes, you got Kelsey, Andy Reid, until you're not

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Speaker 2: going to have Mahomes for a little while and you

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Speaker 2: may not have Kelsey. Now, all of a sudden, Kansas

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Speaker 2: City third best team in their division.

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Speaker 3: That's how quickly it happens.

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Speaker 2: Baltimore's had a two time probably should have been a

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Speaker 2: three time MVP at quarterback and have nothing to show

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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 2: I can put blame on him, but it just seems

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Speaker 2: like that game plan always changed when they got.

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Speaker 3: To the postseason.

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Speaker 2: So as much as we like to say, hey that

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Speaker 2: window is still open, it might be, but that's where

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Speaker 2: it's open. But you put your fingers there and that

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Speaker 2: window comes down on them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Marv.

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Speaker 8: And the way the NFL is built, there's a new

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Speaker 8: team every single year that comes out of nowhere and

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Speaker 8: becomes a contender.

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Speaker 3: All out Houston Texans.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's usually three or four teams. I think we

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Speaker 2: had all the divisional winners, weren't they They've had a

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Speaker 2: new divisional winner and I think that's what you have

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Speaker 2: to factor in. There is hope for your team, but

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Speaker 2: also if you're a team that is already good, there's

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Speaker 2: no guarantee that you stay there.

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Speaker 3: We'll take a break.

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Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up eight seven to seven to

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Speaker 2: three DP show. We'll talk to the former quarterback Alex

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Speaker 2: Smith of the ESPN's NFL Countdown and he'll join us

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Speaker 2: next hour. Back after this with our play of the day.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be

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Speaker 2: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until

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Speaker 2: noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at

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Speaker 2: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. A me,

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Speaker 2: Paulie's in my head. We were talking about t Steve Bushatti,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens owner, and Paulie brought up those cookies, those

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Speaker 2: Biscotti cookies today when he first took over the team.

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Speaker 3: It's like that name's Piscatti. That's kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So social media reminding me, hey, talking hairdoo, it's Bushati.

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Speaker 3: Okay, man, I should have brought it up. I should

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Speaker 3: have read it up. Uh.

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Speaker 2: This in from on three this has to do with

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Speaker 2: ty Simpson. Tennessee, Miami and Ole Miss were offering four

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Speaker 2: million dollars to the Alabama quarterback. Miami went up to

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Speaker 2: six and a half million dollars. Miami, they lost out

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Speaker 2: on Sam Levitt. They came back with a big number.

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Speaker 2: Old Miss called again and they couldn't match it. So

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Speaker 2: it looks like Ty Simpson, Alabama quarterback is going pro.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Paul, if you were going to say that he

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Speaker 5: could make more money by staying in college, it's kind

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Speaker 5: of true. But that one year, for example, if he

652
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 5: was the twenty first pick like Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart

653
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 5: made nine million as a rookie, most of his signing bonus,

654
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 5: but then going forward, Jackson Dart would make one point six,

655
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 5: two point three, three point one.

656
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: Alex Smith of the Mothership quarterback for sixteen years and

657
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: a Heisman Trophy finalist back in four when he was

658
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: at Utah, Good to see you again. I was wondering

659
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: about this. I mentioned Jalen Hurts. He's had a different

660
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator every single year in the NFL, every single

661
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: year in college. As a former quarterback, do you care

662
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: more about who's your head coach or who's your offensive coordinator?

663
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 6: Well, Dan, it's the best when they're the thing, the

664
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 6: same person most of the time. You know, he usually usually.

665
00:34:59,520 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: Went an off.

666
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 6: The coordinator is good enough to become a head coach.

667
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 6: They're pretty good at what they do, you know, I

668
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 6: feel I feel his pain. You know, I had seven

669
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: offensive coordinators in my first seven years.

670
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: Wow.

671
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 6: And to see what Jalen's done in spite of all

672
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 6: that volatility is incredible, right Like. I think at some

673
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 6: point it becomes a strength, Dan, Right Like, there's not

674
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 6: a system you haven't run, there's not an offensive mind

675
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 6: you haven't been around. You get really good at adapting,

676
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 6: You get really good at taking kind of the strengths

677
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 6: of all these people and systems, you know, and combining them.

678
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 6: But no question, is not what you want, right like,

679
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 6: to get to it, to get to high level football.

680
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 6: I mean, this is not the recipe for that. So

681
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 6: I think that obviously Nick has been there again, that

682
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 6: he is an offensive head coach. I think it's the

683
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 6: same system despite different play callers these last several years.

684
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 6: But nonetheless, obviously, you know, when especially the Eagles, as

685
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 6: good as they've been, as good as that roster is

686
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 6: need need far more stability on that side of the ball, But.

687
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: The terminology is probably kind of the same no matter

688
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: who your offensive coordinator is.

689
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 6: I think it's all the same there with Nick No

690
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 6: and I was in a different scenario where you know,

691
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 6: I went from digits to West Coast to all these

692
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 6: different systems. I think the nice thing there with obviously

693
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 6: Nick at the helm is that, by and far this

694
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 6: is the exact same language. It's a different play caller,

695
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 6: it's a little different style obviously putting the plan together

696
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 6: every week.

697
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: All right, Let's look ahead to what Pittsburgh does now

698
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: moving forward, given their history young defensive coordinators they bring

699
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: them in in today's NFL? Is that the wise thing

700
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: to do for Pittsburgh to follow that track record to

701
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: stay on the defensive side of the ball, young defense.

702
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: You know, they're not going for big ticket items here.

703
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 6: I mean, they've done such a great job. I mean

704
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 6: I think back to even when they hired Mike Tomlin, right,

705
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 6: like it just they seem to do, you know, like

706
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 6: these interview processes, like you know, as you can imagine

707
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 6: you bring in a guy for an interview, these are

708
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 6: football coaches that you know sometimes are they coming in

709
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 6: in a suit and tie and trying to, you know,

710
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 6: put their best foot forward. So much of this comes

711
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 6: from reference checking, right, your network as an organization, reaching

712
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 6: out and finding who's an actually good football coach who

713
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 6: can create culture. Right, just because you are a great

714
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 6: coordinator doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be a great coach.

715
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 6: Those are those are very different things, and so how

716
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 6: do you identify them? And clearly this organization seems to

717
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 6: have that down. I do anticipate that their track record, yeah,

718
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 6: has been they're going to go young, right, They're they're

719
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 6: going to go for a young coach that they believe in,

720
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 6: that they're going to support, that they're going to build with,

721
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 6: and it's going to be there for the next twenty

722
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 6: twenty five years. Yeah. Whether or not that's on the

723
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 6: defensive side of the ball, I think remains to be seen.

724
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: Do you think that Mike Tomlin had read the room,

725
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 2: had the wherewithal to say, I got two years left

726
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: on my contract, I'm stepping down, or do you think

727
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: that there was maybe nudging on the Steelers' part.

728
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 6: No, I don't think there is any nudging. I don't

729
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 6: think so. I mean, my listen and I knowingly.

730
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: With two years left on his contract. He's Mike Tomlin.

731
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 6: I know, That's my point. Like, I think in the media,

732
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 6: this has been talked about a lot, right we heard

733
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 6: the chance this year. I think behind closed doors, I mean,

734
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 6: teams would be lining up to hire him, lining up, right, Like,

735
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 6: I mean, this guy's that well respected, and it's just

736
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 6: so rare to have done it for nineteen years in

737
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 6: one place, right, Like I do wonder just being a

738
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 6: head coach for nineteen years, right man, these are these

739
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 6: are dog years. It is a lot of pressure. It

740
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 6: demands a commitment level, right, like if you just have

741
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 6: to sacrifice so much your life, like I don't, I

742
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 6: mean clearly obviously, who knows that the you know here

743
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 6: for him to step down, right Like, I think something

744
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 6: on that front. I don't think it had anything to

745
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 6: do with getting nudged out. Again. I think this guy's

746
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 6: one of the most sought after, if not the most

747
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 6: sought after.

748
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: Guy in the.

749
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 6: Market and would have been uh And there's a lot

750
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 6: of demand there and I think he knew that despite

751
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 6: some of these conversations that go on on the media side.

752
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Ravens had no problem announcing they fired

753
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: John Harball, similar career track record, super Bowl, same thing.

754
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, similar, similar. I would argue this, right, like, look

755
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 6: at those two rosters this year.

756
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: Oh I know, I.

757
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 6: Mean, I think you can make an argument one of

758
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 6: them overachieved and the other one from this year. I'm

759
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 6: not talking. I'm obviously John Harbaugh's eighteen years are incredible, right,

760
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 6: like potential Hall of Fame head coach. But this year

761
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 6: I think they greatly underachieved. Right, that roster, that many

762
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 6: All pros, that many Pro Bowlers, You've got an MVP.

763
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 6: I mean, Lamar just came off arguably, arguably maybe the

764
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 6: greatest season of quarterback ever. And I know he was

765
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 6: injured this year and missed some time, but like that,

766
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 6: you can't be a fan of football look at that

767
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 6: team and say it didn't underachieve, especially the way the

768
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 6: division was this year, right, one of the worst divisions

769
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 6: in football.

770
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Alex Smith ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown. What

771
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: is it about certain quarterbacks when they get to the postseason, Like,

772
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: there's certain quarterbacks who were great regular season quarterback, but

773
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: then you get to the postseason, So what is that

774
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: that factor that somebody just plays better than the lights

775
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: of the brightest.

776
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think a lot has to go right

777
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 6: in this scenario. Like I'm thinking about Justin Herbert when

778
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 6: you said that, And I know he's zero for three

779
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 6: in the playoffs and people are talking about this and that,

780
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 6: but like, I mean, he didn't have it. He was

781
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 6: overmatched in that game, right, and against the Patriots, and

782
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 6: as beat up as the Chargers were limping into the playoffs,

783
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 6: you know, I know they were hoping to be more

784
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 6: competitive in that game, but going across the country on

785
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 6: the road, like and we're just going to pin that

786
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 6: all on him, you know, I think in some ways, again,

787
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 6: when you step back and look at the job he did,

788
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 6: like for them to even be in that position, I

789
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 6: think was you know, in some ways remarkable, Right, I

790
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 6: think that was a positive. But you know, it's the

791
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 6: nature of the quarterback position, you know this, right, Like

792
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 6: we get in these big moments, these winner take all

793
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 6: one game scenarios, right, Quarterbacks obviously think when you when

794
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 6: your team wins and you play well, this is where

795
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 6: you become legendary, right, Like, this is where that that

796
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 6: kind of stuff happens. And so what goes into that, right,

797
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 6: Like what I think again, the ten guys in the huddle,

798
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 6: the matchup, the system, right, Like, the position you're put

799
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 6: in has a huge part of that. And again and

800
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 6: so but then obviously the guy's got to go out

801
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 6: there and and and and make the plays. I At

802
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 6: the same time, I think about Josh Allen, right, like,

803
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 6: incredible playoff numbers, just absolutely incredible playoff numbers. But you know,

804
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 6: up until now, it's the guy that can't get it

805
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 6: done right like that, that's the stuff you hear right like,

806
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 6: he can't get there? And which is that because of Josh?

807
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 6: Right that that's insane to say when you actually go

808
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 6: look at the play like that, there's not much else

809
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 6: he could do, and yet we want to pin that

810
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 6: on the quarterback. So sometimes I think that that kind

811
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 6: of narrative is is pretty unfair.

812
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: How would you defend Josh Allen if you're paying good luck?

813
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 6: It's tough. It's really tough, listen. I mean, I think

814
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 6: you know, when you look at them from an offensive

815
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 6: standpoint and you think about the weapons and who you

816
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 6: need to shut down. Obviously, it's the best run game

817
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 6: in football, and a lot of it starts up front

818
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 6: with that, right James Cook obviously had a phenomenal year.

819
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 6: Josh is a big part of that run game. From there,

820
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 6: you kind of move to their tight ends, right, Like,

821
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 6: they're pretty dynamic, both those tight ends, Kim Kaid and knocks.

822
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 6: So much of what they do is tied into the

823
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 6: run game with play action, pass right and over the middle.

824
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 6: And so how are you going to take those guys away?

825
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 6: You know, they don't have big contributors on the outside, right, Like,

826
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 6: they kind of piece it together on the outside, right,

827
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 6: And I know they just lost a couple guys to injury,

828
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 6: and so you're gonna be piecing it together even more.

829
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 7: So.

830
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 6: It's interesting when you got a guy like Patrick's Artan, right, Like,

831
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 6: who's he going to go take away? They don't necessarily

832
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 6: these aren't feature guys for them that play outside, And

833
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 6: then your instinct would be to play some man right

834
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 6: certainly because you're not necessarily afraid of some of these

835
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 6: matchups I just talked about in coverage. However, I think

836
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 6: Josh is kind of the guy that would really deter

837
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 6: you from that, right, Like, you don't want a lot

838
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 6: of backs turned running in coverage with this guy and

839
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 6: the ball in his hands, right, He can really make

840
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 6: some big plays with his legs. He can really extend plays.

841
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 6: It's hard to cover that long. So he's the biggest

842
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 6: deterrent against that. And I do think you're going to

843
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 6: see a heavy dose. You're going to see them spy

844
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 6: him a lot in this game, right this, Let's not

845
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 6: let him get going again. Think about last year's playoff

846
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 6: game against the Denver Broncos. On that fourth down he

847
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 6: runs around for eight seconds and you know that's what

848
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 6: the running back in the back of the end zone

849
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 6: for that phenomenal play, right, like any of you the Broncos, like,

850
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 6: we're not letting that happen again. Right, We've gotta have

851
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 6: some eyes on him. We've got to have some defenders

852
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 6: tracking him down.

853
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: I know that you're working with a company we're looking

854
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: at concussions.

855
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: You know.

856
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: I go back to that what twenty twelve game when

857
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: you suffered a concussion and then Kaepernick came in.

858
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: Yep, did you know you were concussed?

859
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, immediately, Dan, And it's funny, you know

860
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 6: they this is and we've learned this, like, concussions very

861
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 6: much are obviously a spectrum now, right, Like I remember everything,

862
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 6: I was very present, like it wasn't one of those

863
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 6: things where I was like, you know, you're out for me.

864
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 6: It was a vision deal, you know, and it was

865
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Speaker 6: a it was a game. It was at Candlestick and

866
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Speaker 6: vision for me and one o'clock kickoff and all of

867
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Speaker 6: a sudden having trouble with my vision right again. And

868
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Speaker 6: I say it because it was it was an incredible

869
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Speaker 6: day of Candlestick really sunny, really bright, and for me

870
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Speaker 6: having trouble focusing my eyes, having trouble with my vision,

871
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Speaker 6: certainly having trouble with the brightness, and I remember, it's

872
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Speaker 6: one of those things where you're you know, you're you're

873
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Speaker 6: trying to blink it off right, You're trying to like

874
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Speaker 6: work through it, and it's not working right, like it's

875
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Speaker 6: not getting better, and you know in that game is

876
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Speaker 6: specifically I remember, I mean, I continue to play. In fact,

877
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Speaker 6: I threw a touchdown pass as my last play I think,

878
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Speaker 6: and finally got to the sideline. It was like a miracle.

879
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Speaker 6: I remember thinking like, I don't know how that just happened,

880
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Speaker 6: right like this kept thinking it would get better and

881
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Speaker 6: and finally obviously getting out, you know, getting myself out

882
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Speaker 6: of the game in the sense that I wasn't going

883
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Speaker 6: to help us out there not being able to see,

884
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Speaker 6: and so it's scary. It's scary stuff, right. I think

885
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 6: it's for all football players. It's kind of the looming

886
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 6: scary thing, right, And like we don't we're learning more,

887
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Speaker 6: We don't know a whole lot about concussions. What's the

888
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Speaker 6: company you're working? Yeah, I'm I'm with Oxyo, Oxya Biopharma,

889
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Speaker 6: o x Eia. And listen, I think that the number

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Speaker 6: one thing for all of us is there are no

891
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Speaker 6: approved treatments and right, like there are no approved tests

892
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 6: for concussions. Like when it comes to treatment of concussions,

893
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 6: it's the same as it was twenty forty fifty one

894
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 6: hundred years ago, right, Like we're still kind of in

895
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Speaker 6: the stone age. It's just hey, rest up, how do

896
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Speaker 6: you feel?

897
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Speaker 2: You know?

898
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Speaker 6: And again still learning the consequences of some of these things,

899
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Speaker 6: and so just pumped to partner with Oxya and to

900
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Speaker 6: try to be a solution, right, to try to find

901
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Speaker 6: some answers to try to figure this out.

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Speaker 3: And how well are you tested? Like do do a yearly?

903
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Speaker 6: Well, there are no tests there. I mean obviously there's

904
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Speaker 6: these baseline tests where you can kind of take they're

905
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Speaker 6: cognitive right in that sense, they're you know, processing, but

906
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Speaker 6: they don't they can't definitively define whether or not you've

907
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Speaker 6: had a concussion.

908
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 2: Nothing can but MRI cat scan, none of that will

909
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Speaker 2: show up.

910
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Speaker 6: Like those help. Those help, and they certainly help, I

911
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Speaker 6: think with more severe ones, But the vast majority that

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Speaker 6: happened on the football field, the vast majority I think

913
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Speaker 6: that happened for people in their lives. Like I can't

914
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Speaker 6: tell you how many parents come up to me constantly,

915
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Speaker 6: right and like, hey, my my child had a concussion

916
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Speaker 6: doing something, and like what can I do for them?

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Speaker 1: Right?

918
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Speaker 6: Like what what can help? And again there's just there's

919
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Speaker 6: just nothing there right in the NFL is taking steps,

920
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Speaker 6: We've seen changes in the kickoff rule right to make

921
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Speaker 6: it safer, We've seen helmets try to get better, but

922
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Speaker 6: there still is nothing here on the treatment side. And

923
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Speaker 6: again I think just just pumped a partner with Oxya

924
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 6: in the sense that if somebody trying to do something right,

925
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Speaker 6: someone trying and finally trying to change that narrative. And

926
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Speaker 6: for anybody that wants to go learn more, go to

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Speaker 6: Oxia Biopharma dot com, you know company again, I think

928
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Speaker 6: that is onto something, but really trying to trying to

929
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Speaker 6: make a difference.

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Speaker 2: Are you One record is saying the Rams could put

931
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Speaker 2: up fifty on the Bears.

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Speaker 6: You know, listen, hey Kay got me on and it

933
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Speaker 6: was like, hey, first thing, that is going to be

934
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Speaker 6: a high scoring game. I haven't checked the weather. That's

935
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Speaker 6: always like a part of this when you're playing at

936
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Speaker 6: Chicago in January. But I'm just that defense, Chicago's defense,

937
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Speaker 6: the way they're playing. I know they've feasted on turnovers

938
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Speaker 6: all year, but especially against this system like they just

939
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Speaker 6: went to They just went to San Francisco played the

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Speaker 6: Niners and I think they got forty eight put up

941
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Speaker 6: on them. It's the exact same system, and you could argue,

942
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Speaker 6: you know, the group they have in LA with the

943
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Speaker 6: Rams is maybe more dynamic.

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Speaker 3: Weather is going to be thirteen degrees.

945
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Speaker 6: All right, Well, listen again, I think it's going to

946
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Speaker 6: be high scoring whether or not they actually get the

947
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Speaker 6: fifty burger, but I think they're going to put up

948
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Speaker 6: some points. I don't think there's a whole lot of

949
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Speaker 6: love loss between these coaching staffs either.

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Speaker 3: Great to talk to you again. I hope you're doing

951
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Speaker 3: well and thanks for.

952
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Speaker 2: Sharing same damn thanks for having me Alex Smith joining

953
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Speaker 2: us on the program. I go back to when he

954
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Speaker 2: was a Heisman Trophy finalist at utah DA. That was

955
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Speaker 2: an incredible run that year and sixteen years in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. We'll update our poll

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Speaker 2: results here and more of your phone calls right after

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Speaker 2: this