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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. Here's a three time offseason champion.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I'm joined by a

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Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes. Chris Westling to my left,

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Speaker 1: Greg Roseal to my ride. What's up? Boys? Honestly, what

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Speaker 1: is up? Greg? What is up? Because something's up? Wow?

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Speaker 1: You know everyone in my Twitter mentions and you got

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Speaker 1: a big smile expects me to be down. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not down. I'm I'm we excited about all the exciting

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Speaker 1: news in especial podcast this week that got you back

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Speaker 1: coming from home. This really is connecting on how disconnected

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Speaker 1: Greg has become from the Patriots. Because this is a

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Speaker 1: special edition of Around the NFL Podcast Unscheduled um based

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Speaker 1: on the big news which came out Monday afternoon about

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Speaker 1: five thirty Eastern time that the NFL announced that Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady has been suspended without pay for four games for

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Speaker 1: violating the NFL policy on the integrity of the game. Greg.

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Speaker 1: In addition, the Patriots are fined one million dollars and

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Speaker 1: if it was like do the Austin powers from there

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Speaker 1: and will forfeit a two thousand sixteen first round picking

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Speaker 1: a two thousand, seventeen fourth round pick in the NFL draft.

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Speaker 1: That is a wild punishment. And uh, listen, West, you

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Speaker 1: you spoke um passionately that you thought this was an

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Speaker 1: overblown matter on our our last podcast, and now here

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Speaker 1: we are the Patriots franchise torn asunder by the flight

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Speaker 1: gate Your thoughts, Well, I'm dismayed because I think that

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Speaker 1: the hysteria surrounding this issue played into what the punishment

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Speaker 1: was meted out. Um, the NFL did not care about

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Speaker 1: ball tampering in November when the Vikings and Panthers were

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Speaker 1: heating balls illegally on their sideline and got a warning.

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Speaker 1: The NFL didn't care enough in the San Diego charges

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Speaker 1: we're using sticky substances and got a twenty dollar fine.

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Speaker 1: So to me, I just think that the sterea played in.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see discipline that wasn't quite so arbitrary.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised by the draft picks. I mean that

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Speaker 1: was really the thing that took me most by surprise.

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Speaker 1: I expected about two to four games it was in there.

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Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of West's points, but as

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Speaker 1: I said in the last one, this is one issue.

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Speaker 1: I almost can't say anything because it's just gonna come

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Speaker 1: at me that I'm saying it from a Patriots perspective.

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Speaker 1: This is not the type of story that gets me

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Speaker 1: excited as a sportsman. And frankly, you know, when this

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Speaker 1: story drops, I'm not thinking about as a Patriots fan.

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Speaker 1: We got you know, you're there. We gotta sign up

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Speaker 1: the stories. We have to write it very straight. Working

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Speaker 1: different things to do. It's part of our job. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna set in. But as a Patriots, you know, fan,

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Speaker 1: part of me there's at least a little bit that's

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Speaker 1: intellectually curious about what's going to happen without Tom Brady?

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Speaker 1: Can they win with Jimmy Garoppolo. But then we'll get

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Speaker 1: to them, We'll get to all that. And and to me,

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Speaker 1: the difference between the examples you brought up West and

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Speaker 1: what how it came off to me from what the

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Speaker 1: and especially really sticking at to Brady with four games,

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Speaker 1: kind of play ball once the investigation was going. But

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Speaker 1: I don't that's the NFL is saying that. But Brady

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Speaker 1: league had asked for it, or the investigator, Ted Wells

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Speaker 1: ball though. No. To me, it seems like the NFL

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Speaker 1: fair to quick and I think personally, I think as

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Speaker 1: It's like Belichick says, you don't defend super Bowl trophies.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing to defend because they get to keep the rings.

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Speaker 1: Sure that that sticks, But so does the fourth Super

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Speaker 1: get punished. But now we have the NFL's kickoff game,

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Speaker 1: Patriots making the last play. Uh, do you wanna do

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Speaker 1: I know you wrote a piece on around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We have this covered very well on the website, Greg Right,

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Speaker 1: even if and he seems like a well adjusted guy,

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Speaker 1: I would think, uh that he could get spooked by

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Speaker 1: this spot I mean that it wouldn't be crazy if

431
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Speaker 1: he was really nervous. It was missing high on some

432
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Speaker 1: passes early, and all of a sudden, it's, you know,

433
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Speaker 1: seventeen three in the second quarter, and you got this kid,

434
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Speaker 1: and the world's crumble, and it's possible, right was I

435
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Speaker 1: think that's possible. I think what's interesting is, well, one

436
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Speaker 1: of the many things it's interesting, they're gonna need a

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback now Mike Vix out there. They don't have

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Speaker 1: anyone else in the uh, matt Flynn is another option.

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Speaker 1: I know Mark Sessler, who will be back with us tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: he will get excited about Mattie Flynn maybe getting another ring.

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo I thought he showed some poise, he would go

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Speaker 1: through his progressions and it's not like this is just

443
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Speaker 1: some no name. I know he went to Eastern Illinois,

444
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Speaker 1: but he's a second round pick. That's where Colin Kaepernick

445
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Speaker 1: was drafted. That's where Andy Dalton was drafted. That's where

446
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: Derek Carr was drafted. That's where Gino Smith was drift.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying these are all great quarterbacks, but they're

448
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Speaker 1: guys that people all look Jimmy right, I'm just saying

449
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Speaker 1: these are the fans look at as Okay, here's our

450
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Speaker 1: next great hope is a second round quarterback. It's it's

451
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Speaker 1: a pretty big investment that they put in Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: I wanna block on Twitter the next person who asks,

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Speaker 1: what if Garofolo starts out four and oh and plays

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Speaker 1: really well, will they bench Brady? Come on, stop with

455
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Speaker 1: that nonsense. That won't happen. But what could happen maybe,

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Speaker 1: right is if he plays awesome at the end of

457
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Speaker 1: the season, maybe the Patriots have They're they're famous for

458
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: not for being cold blooded when it comes to making

459
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Speaker 1: roster decisions. I know he doesn't have a you know,

460
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Speaker 1: a nasty contract in terms of the cap compared to

461
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Speaker 1: other star quarterbacks, but you know it does. It's a great,

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Speaker 1: a great moment for Garoppolo right now. Eight opportunity to

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Speaker 1: really uh get himself out there and show that he

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Speaker 1: can play. It is a great opportunity. I'm not willing

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Speaker 1: to address that question until I actually see him go

466
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Speaker 1: for and oh and light up the score and see

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Speaker 1: what Brady does after that. You're right, it does. It's

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Speaker 1: this whole thing as it's setting in is gonna be

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Speaker 1: the framework for a lot of what we talked about

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Speaker 1: for the two thousand fifteen season. This is the defending

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Speaker 1: champion team, and it's an unprecedented suspension and just raises

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that are gonna come up. I mean,

473
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Speaker 1: just earlier on Monday, you're right in an article West

474
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Speaker 1: about how the secondary is completely changed because they cut

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Speaker 1: Kyle Arrington on Monday. They have Malcolm Butler and Logan

476
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Speaker 1: Ryan is their top two quarterbacks. This is a team

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Speaker 1: you wrote about often struggles in September. Yeah, I think

478
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Speaker 1: that's not a that's not a small factor. It seems

479
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Speaker 1: like the Patriots have done this the last three or

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Speaker 1: four years, where they just used September to figure out

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Speaker 1: who they are and to tinker and experiment. They're running

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Speaker 1: different combinations of offensive linemen in against the Chiefs. They're

483
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out if they want to start Aaron

484
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Speaker 1: Dobson or cut Kenbrell Tompkins, trying to figure out who's

485
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Speaker 1: gonna start it running back for them. This is what

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Speaker 1: they do earlier in the season, and it shows up

487
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Speaker 1: that there are stats. I remember we sighted early last

488
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Speaker 1: year that their winning percentage is something in the five

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Speaker 1: eighty range in September, which isn't bad, but then it

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Speaker 1: goes up into the sixth you know, the mid six

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Speaker 1: hundreds in October, and then it's well over seven eight

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Speaker 1: hundred in November December. So it's a team that often

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Speaker 1: does struggle early. Well. One thing also to keep m

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Speaker 1: on Tom Brady since he became starter, has never missed

495
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Speaker 1: the game other than that one season, so they've he's

496
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Speaker 1: always been there in September. What if they get off

497
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Speaker 1: to a slow start, let's say, because let's say that

498
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Speaker 1: there they end up losing three of the first four games.

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Speaker 1: What if it takes a month when by the time

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Speaker 1: he gets for the offense. Really Brank and I were

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Speaker 1: talking about earlier today, you know, if three and five

502
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Speaker 1: or something at the midway point, and and let's face it,

503
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Speaker 1: we've been saying twelve and four, twelve and four, twelve

504
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Speaker 1: and four every year. I'm pushing them back now to

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Speaker 1: ten and six. And to me, this AFC East, which

506
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Speaker 1: we've been talking about a lot the last couple months,

507
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Speaker 1: which has really tightened up at least amongst the the

508
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: also rans in recent years got a lot better. And

509
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: now the Patriots, there's no way around it that They're

510
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Speaker 1: probably gonna be not as good at least win loss

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Speaker 1: because of what's going on. This is this division. I

512
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Speaker 1: think the Brady comes back like a household fire. Maybe

513
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm just saying it's not gonna be as easy

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Speaker 1: this year. Now. It wasn't even with Brady for sixteen games,

515
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Speaker 1: it was gonna be tougher. Now it's Brady only twelve games.

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Speaker 1: So I think this division is officially to me, wide open.

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Speaker 1: It I agree with you. Then again, wouldn't it be

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Speaker 1: the most Patriots thing ever for everyone? Right in that

519
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: Thursday night, you know, no Brady, no revous, no problem.

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00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: The Patriots cruised to a seven to you know, seventeen

521
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Speaker 1: win over the Steelers, you know, and it's just you

522
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: could kind of you can see that happen. Bill Simmons

523
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: writing for like Fox Sports Net, like we f you mode,

524
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Speaker 1: we did it. We're gonna get him. Maybe he can

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00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: join the end of it. I said, he can replace

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Speaker 1: me as that Patriots home right here. Now you don't

527
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: have to replace because TV pull some strings and got

528
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Speaker 1: us a fifth mic and get the sports guy in here.

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Speaker 1: Five mics redemption style. Um. All right, So that's some

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Speaker 1: final thoughts now, Greg and and Uh, actually, let's start

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Speaker 1: with West's gifted football mind a scientist. Uh. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear your final thoughts of the matter, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll throw it to the throne of ease. I guess

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Speaker 1: I have to Uh, if you're playing or coaching football

535
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, you are obsessed with gaining a competitive advantage.

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Speaker 1: Which is why I was tickled to death by the

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Speaker 1: website Your Team cheats dot Com because I'm tired of

538
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: fans act like the Patriots are the only ones that

539
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: try to gain a competitive advantage. If you're playing football,

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00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: that's what you do. That's my first thought. My second

541
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Speaker 1: is in two thousand and six, NFL decided to let

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks doctor football's. We I told you last podcast, what

543
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Eli Manning does you You've got electric scrub brushes involved

544
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: in the process. A Rodgers has said he likes to

545
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: have his inflated over the limit. If you go to

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00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: let quarterbacks doctor football's, let them play with any football

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Speaker 1: they want. That's what we talked about months ago when

548
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: we discussed this. The history of football started in the

549
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: mid nineteenth century with soccer. One was made easier to

550
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: kick with every iteration. The other one was made easier

551
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: to throw to me. Let him use whatever ball he wants,

552
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: Let any quarterback use whatever, bully and I agree with

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00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: everything with West said, except for or in addition to,

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00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: but keep it within the p s I laws of

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00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: the NFL, Like why, DoD, why do you even have

556
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Speaker 1: ps just No one's been able to explain that to me.

557
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: Just follow that and you and you do whatever else

558
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: you want to the balls. Why are you allowed to

559
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: take an electric spinner brush to it but you can't

560
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: take out air? I mean, I don't get that there

561
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: is a that's what the football doctors say. They haven't

562
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: really said anything about it. It is weird how you

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00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: can you know? Like you mentioned that the chargers thing

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00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: with the sticky, I mean that that that is against

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Speaker 1: the rules. But that's a minor penalty. But this is

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Speaker 1: ma um my quick point is Tom Brady cheated and

567
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: Gino Smith did not. And now Greg your final thoughts.

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Speaker 1: We'll give you the floor. I've had the floor. I've

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Speaker 1: said basically everything I want to say. I do think

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00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: it'll be fun to watch as a Patriots. You know, Faned,

571
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: of course you're not happy to see this happen, but

572
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: there is there is part of me that's just interested

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Speaker 1: to see we've never seen a situation like this before.

574
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Speaker 1: And if there's one thing that defines this Patriot a

575
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: couple of things to find these Patriots teams over the

576
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: last few years. Number one is their ability to take

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00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: any slight, however small or imagine or real, and turn

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00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: it into something that that that that's just that's their rallying.

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Speaker 1: I'm imagine, imagine this now that was that was against everyone.

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Speaker 1: It's got to the NFL. But number two is they're

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00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: a great team at at adapting, at figuring out what

582
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: their weaknesses are and dealing with the fact that Jonas

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00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: Gray is they're running back and you know the year

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00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: where they had no wide receivers or no cornerbacks, and

585
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, here's a here's a great chance for one

586
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Speaker 1: of the greatest coaches of all time to show he

587
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: can adapt it once again. Without Tom Brady for fifteen

588
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: and a half games, he won eleven games. So I

589
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: don't the last thing I'm gonna do is count out

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00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots and assume the Jets of the favorite. So

591
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: I agree with And they're a team. I mean, they've

592
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: always said they're they're more than just one player. So

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00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, look at you, you're all excited. This is Greg. Actually,

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Speaker 1: this is giving Greg a little juice now for the

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Speaker 1: first time he's facing adversity on the Well, there is

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Speaker 1: there is something to that. You know that they've done.

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00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: They've done everything else. Belichick always talks about how every

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Speaker 1: every season, you know, it's it's you're starting from scratch,

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00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: it's a fresh start. You know you're not you have

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with last Well, it's not gonna be

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00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: hard to convince the players this time. I mean Jonas

602
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: Grays the running back. They have all new cornerbacks, they

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Speaker 1: have Garoppolo quarterback, the whole new uh, whole new team.

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Speaker 1: And now we're gonna do thirty minutes on Kyle Arrington's release.

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Speaker 1: All right, Wes, your initial thoughts now, poor Fred Davis

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Speaker 1: signing you. You had a thought. I had a couple

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Speaker 1: of thoughts. Actually, we didn't get a news drop today.

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Speaker 1: We did see I saw you bypassed the one million

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Speaker 1: dollars duck the evil joke. You know, because you're comedic

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Speaker 1: mind I don't have such a great comedic minds. That

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Speaker 1: was good. I think all the heavy handed jokes I

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00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: can get um Jimmy presents a problem for me because

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Speaker 1: he has a hard last name to spell. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of being but I figured it out though. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a polo polo of a garop. So it's a garop polo,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so that's I don't know, it's just

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Speaker 1: that's the way that that was what you were waiting to. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was the second point, and the third point was

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Speaker 1: like this could all have been sold At the end,

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Speaker 1: Foe had a body language minor. Because West keeps saying

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Speaker 1: no evidence, no evidence. He could spot this some day

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00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: one that press conference, it was obvious Rady how he

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Speaker 1: aligned to the folks. All right, you almost Yeah, that's

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00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: about as strong as the evidence was in the Wealth report.

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00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: We were about to fly to England, find gold Center,

626
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: flying to Japan in the middle of that is a

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00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: body language miner, then, yeah, you might have an opening.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna ask how you figure out how

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Speaker 1: to spell Roethlisberger. I won't. Oh yeah, well it's a

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Speaker 1: burger with a roth list at the um. All right.

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Speaker 1: So that was our very special edition, uh around the

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Speaker 1: NFL podcast the Patriots cheated and got banged for it?

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Speaker 1: Edition I called it and I really loved it. We

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Speaker 1: will be back on Tuesday with another show with Mark

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00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: back here and then on Thursday we're going to uh

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Speaker 1: get Lindsay Roads back in the studio. We're excited about that.

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Speaker 1: So we got a full week of shows. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening, which is Dad fan Hands, the signing off

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Speaker 1: for the mail Man, the Boss and find the Glass

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