1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Daybreak you at podcast. Good morning. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 3: It's Monday, the twenty third of February. I'm Caroline Hepcitt 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 3: in London and. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 4: I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today, the United States 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 4: tells trading partners they must honor their tariff agreements as 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 4: Trump's trade agenda risks unraveling. 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: The EU calls for clarity on White House policy following 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court's ruling, as the UK risks being the 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: biggest loser. 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 4: Plus not such an asset. Why a German pension fund 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 4: spectacular implosion is putting a three hundred billion euro industry 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 4: under scrutiny. 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: Let's start with the roundup of our top stories. 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 4: Countries are beginning to reassess their US trade deals after 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 4: President Trump's signature tariffs were struck down following the Supreme 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 4: Court's decision. On Friday, Trump introduced a new ten percent levy, 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 4: which he then increased to fifteen percent on Saturday. That 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 4: rate is lower than are equivalent to the rate that 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 4: many nations had negotiated with the White House. But US 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 4: Trade Representative Jameson Greer told CBS has faced the nation 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 4: that the deals that Trump administration had signed remain in place. 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: The deals were not premised on whether or not the 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: emergency teriff litigation would rise or fall. They weren't premised 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: on that. So it's totally normal for these countries to 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: talk to each other, have meetings internally to determine this. 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: But rest assured. I've been speaking to these folks as well, 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: and I've been telling them for a year whether this case, 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: whether we won or lost, we were going to have teriff. 30 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: The President's policy was going to continue. That's why they 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: signed these deals even while the litigation was pending. 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: Jameson Greer says, the US will be standing by the 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: trade deals that signed, and they expect their partners to 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 4: stand by them as well. 35 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: Now, there are already questions over President Trump's new fifteen 36 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: percent global tariff. The new levy replaces those that the 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: US Supreme Courts struck down on Friday. The statute allows 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: US presidents to impose duties for up to one hundred 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 3: and fifty days in situations of fundamental international payments problems. 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: Here is the US Treasury Sectary Scott Bessett, speaking to 41 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: CNN's State of the Union. 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 5: The President, the administration remains undeterred in restoring American factories 43 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 5: and getting rid of these massive trade imbalances. That's the 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 5: big story here is that we are immediately going to 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 5: go to Section one twenty two tariffs, that the revenue 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 5: for the US Treasury for twenty twenty six, the projections 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 5: are unchanged. 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: Scott Bessent. 49 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: They're referring to Section one two two of the nineteen 50 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: seventy four Trade Act, which provides for tariffs under specific circumstances, 51 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: including large and serious balance of payments deficits. But a 52 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 3: host of economists and former US trade officials have told 53 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: Bloomberg that there is no evidence that the US is 54 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: unable to pay its bills or meet its OLF obligations 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 3: to international investors. 56 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 4: Friction between the United States and its trading partners over 57 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: the renewed tariff uncertainty is already spilling into public view. 58 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 4: The chair of the European Parliament's Trade Committee, Burned Langa, 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 4: says he will now propose the freezing of the ratification 60 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 4: of the EU tariff deal with the US until the 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 4: Trump administration clarifies its policy. Meanwhile, the European Central Bank President, 62 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 4: and Christian the Guard says the latest tariff moves risk 63 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 4: upsetting the previously negotiated equilibrium. 64 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 6: It's critically important that all people in the trade, both 65 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 6: outside of the United States but also in the United States, 66 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 6: have clarity about the future of the relationships because you know, 67 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 6: it's a bit like driving. You want to know the 68 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 6: rules of the road before you get in the car. 69 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 6: It's the same with trade. 70 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: Christian the Guard there speaking to CBS has faced the 71 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 4: nation as European Union lawmakers get set to hold an 72 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 4: emergency meeting today on the matter in New Delhi. Officials 73 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: that cited similar reasons to the US as the reason 74 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 4: for India postponing talks in the US this week on 75 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 4: finalizing an interim trade deal and ahead of the US 76 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: President's trip to China. Beijing now says it is conducting 77 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: a comprehensive assessment of the implications of the Supreme Court ruling, 78 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: According to a Ministry of Commerce spokesperson. 79 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: Well after spending months talking up its special status, Britain 80 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: is at risk of becoming the biggest loser from the 81 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: US Supreme Court's ruling. The UK had agreed a tariff 82 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: rate of ten percent, but if the US imposes fifteen 83 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: percent tariffs on all countries, that will mean a high increase. 84 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 7: Blouembig's James Walcock has more ask anyone in the Labor 85 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 7: Party what our kiss. Starmer's biggest success is as Prime Minister, 86 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 7: and they're likely to name the UK US trade deal. 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 7: The US is Britain's largest single trading partner, and Starmer 88 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 7: had one praise for manager to secure a tariff rame 89 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 7: lower than the EU. At the time, Bloomberg Economics estimated 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 7: the marginally lower rate would improve the UK's GDP by 91 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 7: zero point one percent, but having to cozy up to 92 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 7: the US president has also cost the Prime minister deally 93 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 7: in political capital. If Britain's favorable deal goes up in smoke, 94 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 7: Westminster may wonder what it has received from its months 95 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 7: trying to placate to the White House in London. James Wilcock, 96 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 7: Bloomberg Radio. 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 4: Oil prices have fallen as traders considered the odds of 98 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: a nuclear deal between the United States and Iran. Broncrew 99 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: dipped towards seventy one dollars a barrow, with more negotiations 100 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 4: planned for Thursday. On Friday of last week, President Trump 101 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 4: said he was considering limited military strikes on Iran. Speaking 102 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: on CBS's Face the Nation, Iran's foreign minister Abbas Aragchi 103 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 4: said he believes in a non violent situation, if. 104 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 8: They want to find a resolution for Iran's peaceful nuclear program, 105 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 8: the only way is diplomacy. You have proved this in 106 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 8: the past, and I believe that still there is a 107 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 8: good chance to have a diplomatic solution which is based 108 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 8: on a win win game, and a solution. 109 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: Is at our reach. 110 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: Iran's OFAs are actually there. Speaking to CBS News, the 111 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 4: International Atomic Energy Agencies borders scheduled to meet in Vienna 112 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: next week, where diplomats are expected to consider a new 113 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 4: resolution centering around for its nuclear program and could refer 114 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 4: to the United Nations Security Council for further action. 115 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: Hungary is planning to block new EU sanctions on Russia 116 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 3: and key loans to Ukraine until oil deliveries to Hungary restart. 117 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: Speaking at the weekend, Hungarian President Victor Allbann said that 118 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: the ninety billion euros in loans to Ukraine previously agreed 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: by the EU won't materialize until dispatches resume. Speaking to 120 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: Bloomberg last month, the Foreign Minister Petercarto expressed his dissatisfaction 121 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 3: with the EU's Ukraine policy. 122 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 9: Very dangerous what European Union is doing are regarding the war. 123 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 9: It's very dangerous that they are sending and spending the 124 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 9: money of the European people on the war. We are 125 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 9: not ready to send any eurocenter of the Hungarian people 126 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 9: to Ukraine to operate their country and to bring more weapons. 127 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: That was Hungary, is Peter Siato speaking to Bloomberg there 128 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: in January. A vote on the EU's twentieth sanctions package 129 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: against Russia is expected today. The Drusburg pipeline system in question, 130 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: which moves Russian crew to Hungary and Slovakia through Ukraine, 131 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: was damaged in a Russian attack on the twenty seventh 132 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: of January, leading to a halt in shipments. So those 133 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: are our top stories for you this morning. Let's look 134 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: at the markets. This our tarif uncertainty is dampened appetite 135 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: for US assets, so the doll at the moment is 136 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: weaker two tenths of one percent. This also after we 137 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: saw the S and P five hundred gaining on Friday 138 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: seven tenths of one percent. Stop futures and deeply in 139 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: the red moments seven tenths this hour, yields on ten 140 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: year treasuries will begin at four sports zero eight. No 141 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: cash treasuries trading in Asia hours because Japan is closed 142 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: for holiday, but some relief in Asia because maybe this 143 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: new US global tariff is lower than some of the 144 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: previous trade deals struck. And so you've seen the hang 145 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: sing jump two point four percent this morning. MSCIA specificate 146 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: the EXLP seven tenths all prices are down one percent. 147 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: Those are the markets in a moment. 148 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 4: What next for Donald Trump's tariffs and the trade deals 149 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: with the EU and others. Plus how troubles at a 150 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: German pension fund are raising big questions about the whole 151 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: country's retirement system. 152 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: Put another story that we've been reading this morning. 153 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: Do clubbers go out to dance now or just to 154 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 4: film it on their phones instead? This is not how 155 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 4: I spent my weekend, although by the sounds of it, 156 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 4: I don't think I really enjoy it either. Tyfanyly Apps 157 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: been writing about how in nightclubs the shows are getting bigger, 158 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: but audiences are changing too. She writes, the club increasingly 159 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: resembles concerts, so forward facing phone and strangely static. And 160 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 4: she's been writing about what this means for the whole economy, 161 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: the whole lightlife economy really, and how nightclubs are essentially 162 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 4: ramping up the show, the screens, the light show. 163 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: Et cetera. 164 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: That's leading some to overextend themselves, causing problems the sector 165 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 4: as well, but also kind of bigger conversations. DJ's are 166 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 4: saying they're not getting longer sets anymore. It's all about shorter, 167 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: sharper It's about creating sharable moments over danceable experiences. 168 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 3: I love this story about the business of dance music, 169 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: but I was really sad to hear that rave culture 170 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: has kind of turned into a spectator spois, not the 171 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: kind of wild up age. 172 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 4: Caroline Well. 173 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: I was thinking that, but then I did listen to 174 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: some music over the weekend and I was sitting down anyway. 175 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: I love that story from Tiffany app. Yeah, we'll bring 176 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: back dancing. 177 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: We'll put a link to it in our podcast show 178 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 4: notes as well. So what next now for Donald Trump's 179 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 4: trade tara After Friday's Supreme Court decision, the US president 180 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 4: has promised a fifteen percent global tariff and force from 181 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 4: tomorrow while you and India are among those trying to 182 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 4: seek clarity on their trade deals, We've got our trades 183 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: are Brandon Murray with us for more on this this morning. Brendon, 184 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 4: What do we know now this Monday morning about what 185 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: the US plans to do in terms of reinstating the 186 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: tariffs that we're struck down on Friday? 187 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 10: All we heard over the weekend from the US Trade 188 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 10: Representative Jamis and Greer is that the administration is trying 189 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 10: to maintain some continuity with its overall trade policies. That 190 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 10: means his office, the USTR is going to undertake these 191 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 10: investigations called three zero one investigations, which are essentially industry 192 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 10: specific or country specific, and taking a look at what 193 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 10: the US would consider to be unfair trade practices, investigate those, 194 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 10: consult with those countries, and then come up with the 195 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 10: justification for tariffs being applied in those cases. So those 196 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 10: don't take days. Those can take weeks at the very least, 197 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 10: and usually many months. And so the administrations is saying 198 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 10: that this fifteen percent across the board global tariff is 199 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 10: the bridge to which they will get to those other 200 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 10: kinds of tariffs, and so that is what it can 201 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 10: create some uncertainty for businesses or for governments that have 202 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 10: these deals. What is going to be the tariff rate 203 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 10: that they wind up with after all this is said 204 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 10: and done. 205 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the European Commission says that it wants clarity 206 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: and the sheriff, the Trade Committee in Parliament in Europe 207 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 3: wants to freeze ratification until that clarity emerges. What does 208 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: it mean then for the EU and other US trade 209 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: partners around the world. 210 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, the EU and the UK are still exposed 211 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 10: to the car and the aluminum and steel tariffs. Those 212 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 10: are on under separate authorities, so those could be raised 213 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 10: if the Europeans, you know, thought that they could back 214 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 10: out of this deal to the deals that they have 215 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 10: with the Trump administration. So the Trump administration is telling 216 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 10: trading partners just relax a bude by the deal that 217 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 10: you that you've signed and everything will be fine. But 218 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 10: if you're sitting on the receiving end of that, you 219 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 10: don't really know that what you're going to wind up 220 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 10: with at the end is something that you agree to 221 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 10: in these particular agreements. So it's creating a layer of confusion. 222 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 10: There are a lot of other issues that need clarity, 223 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 10: including the refunds from tariffs, which are you know, one 224 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 10: hundred and seventy billion dollars worth of revenue that the 225 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 10: governor has collected from American importers. And you know that's 226 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 10: going to cause a lot of blowback domestically for President 227 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 10: Trump too, if they can't figure out a way to 228 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 10: do that in orderly fashion. 229 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 4: Okay, Brandon, thanks so much for bringing us up to 230 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: date this Monday morning. That's our trades are, Brandon Murray. 231 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 4: Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Daybreak Europe coming up 232 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: after this Now. 233 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: A German pension fund's loss of half its assets is 234 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: raising questions about the management and regulation of a key 235 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: pillar of the country's retirement system. Our European finance reporter 236 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: Nicholas Comfort joins us now for more on this story. Nicholas, So, 237 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: the fund, known as VZB is a pension fund for 238 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: dentists in Berlin. 239 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: What exactly happened to it? 240 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 11: They had leadership which thought they could walk on water. 241 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 11: As one other investor put it to us, they invested 242 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 11: in all kinds of businesses that, first of all, that 243 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 11: they weren't probably allowed to invest in. They're supposed to 244 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 11: be investing on based on very conservative principles in terms 245 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 11: of the liquidity and the safety of the investments that 246 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 11: they make. But they thought, no, no, we know better, 247 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 11: and they plowed money into a California recycling company at 248 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 11: Northern German shrimp farm and as as one investor put 249 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 11: it to us, they basically behaved more like a family 250 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 11: office than they did a conservative pension fund. And last year, 251 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 11: late last year it was it was confirmed that they 252 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 11: expected size of the losses amount to half the two 253 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 11: point two billion euros of assets that they have. And 254 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 11: so it's it's the Berlin dentists that they probably will 255 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 11: see their their pensions reduced by this. 256 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 4: So howe authorities reacted to this. 257 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 11: So the Berlin prosecutors have said on the record that 258 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 11: they are looking into this, and they haven't said it's 259 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 11: exactly whom they who they are probing, but but it's 260 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 11: it's probably the people who took the investment decisions are 261 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 11: relevant actors for the prosecutors. 262 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: On that. 263 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 11: We also know that the the the Berlin ministry that's 264 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 11: supposed to oversee them. We have heard from other pension 265 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 11: funds that they they have become more active as you 266 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 11: would hope and expect after an event like this. But 267 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 11: it's also kicked off at debate in Germany buzz of 268 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 11: are these these special hyper pension funds who are overseen 269 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 11: largely by local ministries? Does that make sense the system? 270 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 11: Or should they be put under baffin the Germany Wide 271 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 11: Financial Markets regulator. That's a political decision, but the regulator 272 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 11: itself Baffin has said. 273 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: That yeah, we can't help. 274 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 11: But notice that there are a cluster of losses, of 275 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 11: unpleasant losses at this type of fund. 276 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge year, isn't it. So then do 277 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: you think it might lead to bigger change? 278 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: Very briefly so, I think it's possible. 279 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 11: Yes, friedish MERT's our chancelator in Germany is kicking off 280 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 11: a wider overhaul the pension system. It's possible that there'll 281 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 11: be some kind of structural change, but also that maybe 282 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 11: they'll be in terms of the supervision these funds, that 283 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 11: they'll see that the system isn't fit for purpose as 284 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 11: it stands. 285 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: Now. 286 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 4: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 287 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 4: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 288 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning on Apples, Spotify, 289 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 290 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 291 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 292 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 293 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: Amazon Alexa devices. 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