Speaker 1: You probably recognize the name doctor Marty mccarrey if you
Speaker 1: watch Fox News, read the Washington Post or the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal. Doctor McCarey, and we played quite a few
Speaker 1: clips of him during and after COVID was a refreshingly
Speaker 1: independent voice about both COVID the responses to it. And
Speaker 1: one of my favorite aspects of doctor McCarry and what
Speaker 1: he does, and we're going to talk to him in
Speaker 1: just a second, is that if he didn't know, he
Speaker 1: would say, we don't know that yet, which we need
Speaker 1: much more of fan six feet apart science. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, I trust the science. Doctor McCarey is the
Speaker 1: author of a forthcoming book, Blind Spots, When Medicine Gets
Speaker 1: It Wrong and What It Means for Our Health New
Speaker 1: York Times bestselling author, healthcare expert at Johns Hopkins.
Speaker 2: Doctor McCarey, how are you, sir.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, looking forward to opening day for the
Speaker 3: NFL tonight and watching the Ravens. Good to be with you, guys.
Speaker 1: Awesome, good team to root for, the Mighty Ravens. So,
Speaker 1: the book I'm Guessing, Blind Spots When Medicine Gets It Wrong,
Speaker 1: was inspired in large measure by the response to COVID.
Speaker 3: Well, I actually don't talk much about COVID in the book.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are become very tribal about it.
Speaker 3: You have a lot of conversation. But COVID was a
Speaker 3: sneak peek into how a broader medical establishment works and
Speaker 3: when they issue broad recommendations, be it the food pyramid
Speaker 3: or the wrong advice on how to prevent pened allergies,
Speaker 3: and you go down the list, many of our modern
Speaker 3: day health crises have actually been caused by or hastened
Speaker 3: by the medical establishment giving wrong information out there. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot of misinformation in health and science, and
Speaker 3: that's why I wrote this. People need to know the
Speaker 3: truth about the obesity epidemic, why autism is going up,
Speaker 3: the real cause of heart disease. So I present the
Speaker 3: latest research on all these topics in the book Blind Spots.
Speaker 1: Wow, I had what I thought was a really good
Speaker 1: follow up question. But I find myself wanting to know
Speaker 1: the answer to all of those things.
Speaker 2: You just need each one of them.
Speaker 1: As a parent of a kid on the autism spectrum,
Speaker 1: for instance, what clues do we have for what's going
Speaker 1: on there?
Speaker 3: Well, autism is going up fourteen percent every year over
Speaker 3: the last twenty three years, so it's up three hundred
Speaker 3: and seventeen percent over that time period. No one in
Speaker 3: the medical field is stopping and putting their head up
Speaker 3: and looking around and say, what's going on here. No
Speaker 3: one's asking these big questions. And it turns out that
Speaker 3: we've got some good preliminary data that when the microbiome
Speaker 3: is altered, that is the garden of millions of different
Speaker 3: bacteria that line the GI tract. When that or system
Speaker 3: is altered, that appears to be associated with autism. And
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that alter the microbiome, from
Speaker 3: the ultra process foods and potentially the pesticides, the heavy metals, microplastics.
Speaker 3: We're understanding that kids born by C section have a
Speaker 3: different microbiome, and now that has been associated with the
Speaker 3: rise in colon cancer that we're seeing in young people.
Speaker 3: So there's some incredible scientific research out there that when
Speaker 3: I look at these studies and share them with my
Speaker 3: colleagues other doctors at Johns Hopkins Hospital, they're shocked by
Speaker 3: that research. And so I thought, why not share this
Speaker 3: research directly with the public in a book.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm going to go back to my at
Speaker 1: least reasonably high quality follow up question, which was going
Speaker 1: to be We're fairly familiar with the history of the
Speaker 1: food pyramid and the influence of the serial companies in
Speaker 1: the fifties and sixties. But Margarine, yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: lots and lots of carbs, always carbs. We kind of
Speaker 1: understand what the motivation was there. What are some of
Speaker 1: the other things that motivate the medical establishment to push
Speaker 1: things that are, you know, not entirely true or not
Speaker 1: true at all.
Speaker 3: Well, look big pharma and the food industry that is
Speaker 3: profiting off of these highly addictive foods that are engineered
Speaker 3: to not make you feel full, but to make you
Speaker 3: want more, and you sort of never feel like you're
Speaker 3: you're full, Your you're hunger increases as you eat, which
Speaker 3: is backwards and big ag These industries have captured not
Speaker 3: only the regulators and the government in their recommendations, but
Speaker 3: also the medical profession. Heck, most of our funding for
Speaker 3: research comes from pharma, and so the only thing we
Speaker 3: really study our drugs, and we make people sick. We
Speaker 3: ignore all the poisoned food and environmental exp and we
Speaker 3: just medicate people. And we've got a terrible thing to doctors,
Speaker 3: We've told them, just put your head down and prescribe
Speaker 3: these medications. Every time you see these things. We've got
Speaker 3: the most over medicated population in the history of the world.
Speaker 3: And at no point is anyone saying, what's going on here,
Speaker 3: what's the big picture? But I think it's a lot
Speaker 3: of the big industry. It's a medical industrial complex, and
Speaker 3: a group of doctors now are pushing back. We're pushing
Speaker 3: back and we're going straight to the public and bringing
Speaker 3: the case directly to them.
Speaker 4: Well, there'd be a cultural aspect to this too, obviously,
Speaker 4: the profit motive and everything like that. But then there's
Speaker 4: a cultural aspect of doctors aren't supposed to tell anybody, hey,
Speaker 4: you're fat and you need to start eating different because
Speaker 4: then they're going to get a bad review and all
Speaker 4: that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So that's its own problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a consumerist culture, there's a there's groupthink in medicine.
Speaker 3: You saw it during COVID and no one could talk
Speaker 3: about obesity. It was a forbidden topic. All of the discussion.
Speaker 3: We talked about COVID incessantly for three years. No one
Speaker 3: ever mentioned the number one modifiable risk factor of dying
Speaker 3: of COVID and that is what we call metabolic syndrome
Speaker 3: pre diabetes, diabetes and obesity, and that is one hundred
Speaker 3: percent modifiable as a shoot born illness.
Speaker 2: So interesting. I'm so lucky.
Speaker 1: My primary guy, a care doctor, said to me the
Speaker 1: other day, my job is to get you to one
Speaker 1: hundred years old with as little medication as possible. And
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I can climb on board that plan.
Speaker 4: And you said, and you said, I want a second opinion,
Speaker 4: and he said, you're ugly too.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, So listen, I'm about to answer ask a
Speaker 1: question of doctor Marty McCarey that would require another book
Speaker 1: to answer. But in Stephen Brill's great book Bitter Pill,
Speaker 1: he's talking about the American medical medical care system, which
Speaker 1: is even more screwed up than it was when he
Speaker 1: wrote the book. Are there a couple of things you
Speaker 1: would recommend government do in terms of the American healthcare system?
Speaker 2: What would they be?
Speaker 1: Because it feels like, is Brill put it, the government's
Speaker 1: not involved where it needs to be most and over
Speaker 1: involved where it ought to get the hell out of
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 3: Well, we got to get rid of a lot of
Speaker 3: these conflicts of interest We've got to get a fresh
Speaker 3: set of leadership. All these dinosaurs at the NIH and
Speaker 3: these institutions, none of them have ever I've never heard
Speaker 3: any of them apologize for any one of their twenty
Speaker 3: major errors during COVID, and so people are hungry for honesty.
Speaker 3: A study just came out showing that only forty percent
Speaker 3: of the American public now trust hospitals and doctors. That's
Speaker 3: down from sixty five percent four years ago. So we
Speaker 3: need SOMEL. We need to get rid of these conflicts
Speaker 3: of interest, we need fresh leadership, and we need to
Speaker 3: get rid of the capture by big pharma. You know,
Speaker 3: we've got we've subsidized a lot of the poison in
Speaker 3: our food. A lot of these derivatives come from food subsidies.
Speaker 3: Maybe we need to talk about changing the school lunch
Speaker 3: program instead of putting every kid on ozempic. Maybe we
Speaker 3: need to talk about environmental exposures that cause cancer, not
Speaker 3: just the chemotherapy to treat it. We've got to talk
Speaker 3: about food as medicine and a whole new approach to health.
Speaker 3: Because we've got fifty percent of our nation's children now
Speaker 3: obese or overweight, and a quarter are dealing with pre diabetes.
Speaker 3: That is not a healthy prospect. And the only thing
Speaker 3: the medical industrial complex is saying is we got to
Speaker 3: medicate more people, and that is not the answer.
Speaker 4: You've talked a lot about what we eat for obvious reasons.
Speaker 4: What have you eaten today?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm actually going to take a break and go
Speaker 3: to the gym here as soon as we're done. I
Speaker 3: like to have eggs in the morning, some natural, healthy
Speaker 3: juices with no added sugar, and then I might have
Speaker 3: some nuts or skip lunch and then just go straight
Speaker 3: to dinner. It's like the medical field has discovered things
Speaker 3: that we've known about since biblical times. There's benefits to fasting,
Speaker 3: whole foods, clean meats, there's nothing wrong with meat and meditation.
Speaker 3: These are all biblical principles, but it's like we're rediscovering
Speaker 3: them in the modern medical literature.
Speaker 2: Excellent point. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Doctor Marty McCarey's new book is Blind Spots, When Medicine
Speaker 1: Gets it Wrong and what it means for our health.
Speaker 2: It's coming out like next week.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's coming on next week. I'm really excited
Speaker 3: about this book. So thanks for mentioning it.
Speaker 2: We might have you back on again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I we'd be delighted if we could talk again. The
Speaker 1: book sounds terrific. There are so many topics that we
Speaker 1: could discuss with you. We know you've got to tight schedule.
Speaker 1: I mean, for instance, I know you're your field surgically
Speaker 1: is transplants, correct, I mean that's your your chief.
Speaker 3: Specialty, gastro intestinal surgery and surgical oncology and pancreas. Pancreas
Speaker 3: ISLD transplants has been my clinical focus, but I spend
Speaker 3: now most of my time doing public health research, trying
Speaker 3: a challenge that deeply held assumptions in medicine. And I
Speaker 3: don't think doctor Kauchi is going to be sending me
Speaker 3: a Christmas card this year.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nor Mark Zuckerberg, who owes you a hell
Speaker 1: of an apology speaking of trying to silence any descent
Speaker 1: during the COVID period, including learned and well informed dissent.
Speaker 2: Uh, Doctor McCarey, great to talk to you. I hope
Speaker 2: we can do it again.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, thanks so much.
Speaker 4: That whole pleasure, that whole thing you just described that
Speaker 4: he does. I was going to do that, but I
Speaker 4: decided to be a dis jockie.
Speaker 2: So the uh pancreatic. Yeah, transplant gas. That's what I
Speaker 2: was going to do. That's what I was planning on doing.
Speaker 2: And then I became Jackie
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