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Speaker 1: You probably recognize the name doctor Marty mccarrey if you

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Speaker 1: watch Fox News, read the Washington Post or the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal. Doctor McCarey, and we played quite a few

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Speaker 1: clips of him during and after COVID was a refreshingly

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Speaker 1: independent voice about both COVID the responses to it. And

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite aspects of doctor McCarry and what

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Speaker 1: he does, and we're going to talk to him in

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Speaker 1: just a second, is that if he didn't know, he

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Speaker 1: would say, we don't know that yet, which we need

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Speaker 1: much more of fan six feet apart science. All right,

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Speaker 1: all right, I trust the science. Doctor McCarey is the

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Speaker 1: author of a forthcoming book, Blind Spots, When Medicine Gets

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Speaker 1: It Wrong and What It Means for Our Health New

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Speaker 1: York Times bestselling author, healthcare expert at Johns Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: Doctor McCarey, how are you, sir.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, looking forward to opening day for the

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Speaker 3: NFL tonight and watching the Ravens. Good to be with you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, good team to root for, the Mighty Ravens. So,

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Speaker 1: the book I'm Guessing, Blind Spots When Medicine Gets It Wrong,

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Speaker 1: was inspired in large measure by the response to COVID.

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Speaker 3: Well, I actually don't talk much about COVID in the book.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people are become very tribal about it.

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Speaker 3: You have a lot of conversation. But COVID was a

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Speaker 3: sneak peek into how a broader medical establishment works and

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Speaker 3: when they issue broad recommendations, be it the food pyramid

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Speaker 3: or the wrong advice on how to prevent pened allergies,

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Speaker 3: and you go down the list, many of our modern

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Speaker 3: day health crises have actually been caused by or hastened

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Speaker 3: by the medical establishment giving wrong information out there. So

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of misinformation in health and science, and

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Speaker 3: that's why I wrote this. People need to know the

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Speaker 3: truth about the obesity epidemic, why autism is going up,

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Speaker 3: the real cause of heart disease. So I present the

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Speaker 3: latest research on all these topics in the book Blind Spots.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I had what I thought was a really good

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Speaker 1: follow up question. But I find myself wanting to know

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Speaker 1: the answer to all of those things.

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Speaker 2: You just need each one of them.

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Speaker 1: As a parent of a kid on the autism spectrum,

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Speaker 1: for instance, what clues do we have for what's going

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Speaker 3: Well, autism is going up fourteen percent every year over

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Speaker 3: the last twenty three years, so it's up three hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventeen percent over that time period. No one in

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Speaker 3: the medical field is stopping and putting their head up

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Speaker 3: we've got some good preliminary data that when the microbiome

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that alter the microbiome, from

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Speaker 3: So there's some incredible scientific research out there that when

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Speaker 3: I look at these studies and share them with my

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm going to go back to my at

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Speaker 1: least reasonably high quality follow up question, which was going

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Speaker 1: to be We're fairly familiar with the history of the

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Speaker 1: food pyramid and the influence of the serial companies in

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Speaker 3: Well, look big pharma and the food industry that is

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Speaker 4: Well, there'd be a cultural aspect to this too, obviously,

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Speaker 4: the profit motive and everything like that. But then there's

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Speaker 4: a cultural aspect of doctors aren't supposed to tell anybody, hey,

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Speaker 2: So that's its own problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a consumerist culture, there's a there's groupthink in medicine.

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Speaker 3: You saw it during COVID and no one could talk

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Speaker 3: We talked about COVID incessantly for three years. No one

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Speaker 3: pre diabetes, diabetes and obesity, and that is one hundred

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Speaker 2: So interesting. I'm so lucky.

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Speaker 1: My primary guy, a care doctor, said to me the

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Speaker 4: And you said, and you said, I want a second opinion,

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Speaker 4: and he said, you're ugly too.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful, So listen, I'm about to answer ask a

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Speaker 1: question of doctor Marty McCarey that would require another book

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Speaker 1: to answer. But in Stephen Brill's great book Bitter Pill,

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Speaker 1: he's talking about the American medical medical care system, which

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Speaker 1: wrote the book. Are there a couple of things you

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Speaker 2: What would they be?

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Speaker 1: Because it feels like, is Brill put it, the government's

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Speaker 3: Well, we got to get rid of a lot of

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Speaker 3: A study just came out showing that only forty percent

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Speaker 3: down from sixty five percent four years ago. So we

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Speaker 3: we've got we've subsidized a lot of the poison in

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Speaker 3: Maybe we need to talk about changing the school lunch

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Speaker 3: about food as medicine and a whole new approach to health.

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Speaker 3: Because we've got fifty percent of our nation's children now

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Speaker 3: That is not a healthy prospect. And the only thing

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Speaker 4: You've talked a lot about what we eat for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 4: What have you eaten today?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm actually going to take a break and go

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Speaker 3: to dinner. It's like the medical field has discovered things

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Speaker 3: that we've known about since biblical times. There's benefits to fasting,

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Speaker 3: These are all biblical principles, but it's like we're rediscovering

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Speaker 2: Excellent point. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Marty McCarey's new book is Blind Spots, When Medicine

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Speaker 1: Gets it Wrong and what it means for our health.

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Speaker 2: It's coming out like next week.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's coming on next week. I'm really excited

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Speaker 3: about this book. So thanks for mentioning it.

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Speaker 2: We might have you back on again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I we'd be delighted if we could talk again. The

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Speaker 1: book sounds terrific. There are so many topics that we

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Speaker 1: I mean, for instance, I know you're your field surgically

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Speaker 3: Specialty, gastro intestinal surgery and surgical oncology and pancreas. Pancreas

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Speaker 3: ISLD transplants has been my clinical focus, but I spend

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Speaker 3: now most of my time doing public health research, trying

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Speaker 3: a challenge that deeply held assumptions in medicine. And I

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Speaker 3: don't think doctor Kauchi is going to be sending me

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Speaker 3: a Christmas card this year.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nor Mark Zuckerberg, who owes you a hell

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Speaker 1: of an apology speaking of trying to silence any descent

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Speaker 2: Uh, Doctor McCarey, great to talk to you. I hope

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, thanks so much.

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Speaker 4: That whole pleasure, that whole thing you just described that

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Speaker 4: he does. I was going to do that, but I

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Speaker 2: So the uh pancreatic. Yeah, transplant gas. That's what I

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Speaker 2: was going to do. That's what I was planning on doing.

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Speaker 2: And then I became Jackie

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