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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Matt Holliday Kyle Gibson. And since one

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Speaker 1: of the panel has to be in a car, Lance

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Speaker 1: Lynn is in his truck as he's what duck hunting?

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Speaker 2: Lance? Is that what you're doing? Duct and goose? Shoot

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Speaker 2: some geese out here on the snow geese? Got it all?

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Speaker 2: Have fun. That's good.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Winter meetings are underway, no moves yet, but there

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Speaker 1: is some news, and that is that Baseball has a

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Speaker 1: brand new Hall of Famer. That would be Jeff Kent.

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Speaker 1: He was voted in by the Contemporary Baseball Era Committee.

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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Fernando Valenzuela, Dale Murphy, Gary Sheffield

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Speaker 1: were among the group that didn't get in. That includes

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Speaker 1: Don mattin Lee as well, So Barry Bonds not in. Look,

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Speaker 1: these guys are gonna have to wait until some of

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Speaker 1: these guys twenty and thirty one to become eligible once again.

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Speaker 1: So I want to get your take. Start with the positive.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Kent Hall of Famer numbers are pretty good. Seventeen

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Speaker 1: years in the BIGS, MVP, five time All Star two

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Speaker 1: ninety batting average five hundred career slug eight fifty five ops,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy seven career homers, one hundred RBIs

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Speaker 1: eight times in his career. Not bad for a second baseman,

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Speaker 1: LANCELN pretty good choice, don't you think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think he is one of many people

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Speaker 3: that deserve to be in And I'm sure we'll kind

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Speaker 3: I mean you're looking at one of the I just

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Speaker 3: the top in their position to ever play. So when

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Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, Jeff Kent in the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 3: like I would have assumed he was already in there,

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Speaker 3: that's kind of my thought of it. So I'm definitely deserving.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson. There are some guys that, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think are borderline. Would you say Jeff Kent is clearly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I agree at Lance growing up, you know,

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Speaker 4: Jeff Kent was one of the better second basements in

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Speaker 4: other second basements, he probably stands out, you know, in

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Speaker 4: a pretty good group there in the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 4: a group of second basements that already there. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: really happy for him for congratulations. A guy that you know,

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Speaker 4: had I been second base, you know, I probably would have,

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Speaker 4: I feel like I watched him quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: Very very good player. Now Matt spent some time with

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Speaker 1: with the Giants, hitting behind Barry Bonds. That might help

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Speaker 1: someone's numbers. He also drove in a couple of runs

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Speaker 1: a couple of times one hundred runs with other ball clubs.

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Speaker 5: So this is a.

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Speaker 1: Guy whose career spans a long time, with a lot

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Speaker 1: of different teams and always productive.

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Speaker 5: Man, I look, I think when you look at that list,

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of them that are very worthy. I

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Speaker 5: think we will get into it, but there's just so

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Speaker 5: much suspicion on a lot of those guys about the

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Speaker 5: performance enhancing drugs. Who did who didn't. I think the

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Speaker 5: committee made it clear, but they don't think Jeff can't

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Speaker 5: use performance enhancing drugs, and and and like they said,

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Speaker 5: his numbers at second base put him certainly makes you

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Speaker 5: wonder why he didn't get in the first time. And

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Speaker 5: we can get into this as well, but a lot

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Speaker 5: of it to me is as how you treat the media.

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Speaker 5: I think sometimes he could come off a little bit.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how to say this, but you know,

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Speaker 5: like I don't know that he was all that friendly

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Speaker 5: I think he belonged in and and the and the

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Speaker 5: think it gives it gives hope. I really like, uh,

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Speaker 5: this angle of adding guys to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: It gives players that I think get overlooked at times.

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Speaker 5: You know, a teammate of ours and A and A

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Speaker 5: and a good friend of ours Lance Bertman. For him

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Speaker 5: at his numbers as a switch hitter, I think there's

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Speaker 5: I love having people in the game that played and

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Speaker 5: And then and then, you know, allowing those guys to

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Speaker 5: I don't know how many they can vote in, but

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Speaker 5: I thought there would be a couple more. I don't

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Speaker 5: but I certainly could have seen Dale Murphy get in.

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Speaker 5: And I thought a few of those other guys would

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Speaker 5: I said, I think they're the suspicion and the the

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Speaker 1: The second look, I think is a big thing. Guy

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Speaker 1: changed everything, and all of a sudden, Ted Simmons as

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer should have been in years ago.

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Speaker 1: So it's good to get a second look. And for

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Speaker 1: what word Lance used. I don't want to use that

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Speaker 1: Berkman was one of the nicest guys ever to the media,

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Speaker 1: and still he's on the outside looking in. But you

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Speaker 1: steroid guys. So Barry Bond's the greatest player who ever lived, arguably.

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Speaker 1: Didn't get five votes, so he won't be eligible again

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Speaker 1: not in chef Field has. These are guys that have

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Speaker 1: the ties to steroids. So Lance, what's your view on that?

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Speaker 1: Now in two thousand and five, as I recall baseball

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Speaker 1: illegal substance, but not specifically outlawed by Baseball, what's your

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Speaker 3: You know, those are two guys that I watched growing up,

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Speaker 3: see them as Hall of famers. They've had Hall of

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Speaker 3: It kind of looks like it's going to be kind

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Speaker 3: So you're not going to enjoy being a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds for the record seven time MVP, seven time MVP,

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Speaker 1: fourteen All Star Games, eight gold gloves, of course, is

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Speaker 1: look at those guys that are clearly not just Hall

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Speaker 1: of baseball. How do you look at it?

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Speaker 5: I look at it. I'm okay with the Baseball Hall

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Speaker 5: of Fame adding a steroid era wing to the to

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Speaker 5: the museum. I mean, it's a museum honoring the great

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Speaker 5: There's certainly people in the Hall of Fame that weren't

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Speaker 5: So I'm okay with with adding a wing to the

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Speaker 5: you know, the steroid era. Uh, these these players belong

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Speaker 5: That's definitely an era of baseball that's hard to quantify

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous the situation, to be honest, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of it's ambiguous. There are suspicions on some guys, there's

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Speaker 1: which I think is a great idea, or at least

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Speaker 1: some sort of separate some sort of separate display, what

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Speaker 1: do you put a big syringe over the door, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you handle it, although I think

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Speaker 1: it's a good idea. But Kyle, really, I think the

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Speaker 1: crux of what Matt was saying, it's about level playing field.

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Speaker 2: Right, If it's.

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Speaker 1: Not a victimless crime, especially since it was in two

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Speaker 3: But the way that they're uh, they've represented themselves is

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Speaker 1: I'm with you about Jim Edmonds, not on the list

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Speaker 1: Also a really really nice guy. Well, the Winner meetings

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Speaker 5: I take that back. I think it was in California.

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Speaker 5: One year, and I went for one day uh to

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Speaker 5: meet with Scott and ended up seeing a couple of

437
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Speaker 5: gms and passing, but didn't have any conversations. But it's

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Speaker 5: a it's an interesting time, particularly with the the CBA

439
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Speaker 5: hanging in the balance UH next year. UH So I'm

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Speaker 5: interested to see how that plays out and what effect

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Speaker 5: that might have. I think it's interesting that you're seeing

442
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Speaker 5: some of these teams, like the Pirates and the A's

443
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Speaker 5: kind of sending out these I don't know if they're

444
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Speaker 5: real or not, but like these smoke signals that they're

445
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden ready to spend money and trying

446
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Speaker 5: to sign Schwarber, and you know, some of these things

447
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Speaker 5: that are that are getting floated out there. I think

448
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Speaker 5: is interesting, but it is it certainly it certainly you

449
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 5: wake up every day wondering if this might be the

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Speaker 5: day that you get the offer that you want, and

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Speaker 5: and then you know, kind of coming to the realization,

452
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Speaker 5: especially if you've been with one team a long time,

453
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Speaker 5: like kind of visualizing yourself in another uniform. Sometimes that

454
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Speaker 5: can be difficult.

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Speaker 1: Well, you never know who's sending up those smoke signals.

456
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's an agent. You never know what to believe

457
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Speaker 1: when those rumors start churning out about the Winter meetings.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell this from a media perspective. There's three

459
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Speaker 1: hundred media guys in a room with like laptops and

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Speaker 1: cell phones out everyone. You're doing interviews, you're talking to

461
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Speaker 1: the managers when there's a media availability, but pretty much

462
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Speaker 1: everyone is watching their phone to see what passings or

463
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Speaker 1: Rosenthal Hayman, one of one of those guys breaks the

464
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Speaker 1: story and the rest the media jumps on it. That's

465
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Speaker 1: really what it's like for the media. Otherwise you're just there, Kyle.

466
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Speaker 1: What's it like for a player who's not sure where

467
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Speaker 1: the next step in his career is going to be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it can be tough. I

469
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Speaker 4: think Matt laid it out pretty well. You know, the

470
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Speaker 4: first couple of times I went through it. Thankfully, it

471
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Speaker 4: happened pretty quick, you know. I think I was done

472
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 4: before Thanksgiving both times. This last time was obviously more

473
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: difficult because I waited until the end of March to

474
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Speaker 4: get an offer, But at the same time, I was

475
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Speaker 4: in a pretty good mental spot where if I didn't

476
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Speaker 4: get any offers and it wasn't a spot that I

477
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: wanted to go. Then I was okay retiring, so I

478
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: almost had to once I got into spring training and

479
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 4: March first hit, and you know, my agent was like, well,

480
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: we're kind of waiting on an injury right now, and

481
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 4: it just wasn't a spot that I really wasn't enjoyed

482
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Speaker 4: being at all waiting for somebody to get hurt, because

483
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Speaker 4: then you show up to spring training and kind of

484
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: everybody in the locker room understands, you know, he's kind

485
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Speaker 4: of taking this guy's spot, and it's nowhere you want

486
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Speaker 4: to be taking over for an injury guy, and when

487
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: he's sitting in the locker, probably four downs. So yeah,

488
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Speaker 4: even though it took a long time before this last year,

489
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Speaker 4: I was in a pretty good spot mentally, understanding that

490
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Speaker 4: I had a really fun career and was thankful for

491
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Speaker 4: every step of it and if I got another chance

492
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Speaker 4: to play, then I got another chance to play. But

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Speaker 4: I definitely would say my agent was probably a little

494
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: bit more on edge because in his mind, he wanted

495
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Speaker 4: to find me the best spot to.

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Speaker 5: Play, right.

497
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Speaker 4: He knew that I prepared, he knew that I was,

498
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Speaker 4: that I wanted to play, so he was doing his best,

499
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Speaker 4: and you know, unfortunately it took longer, but you know,

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Speaker 4: it can be a little nerve wracking, especially if you're

501
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Speaker 4: in the middle of your career and you expect to

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Speaker 4: get you know, at least a one maybe even a

503
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: two year deal at the big league level and they're

504
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Speaker 4: just not rolling.

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Speaker 1: In lance when I know your agent likes to take

506
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Speaker 1: the commission off the money you've made in your career

507
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Speaker 1: and it's pretty big stack. Was it like waiting for you?

508
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Speaker 3: I think every time it's been different, right, I was

509
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: like Matt, you know, he got he was at that

510
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: time my first time going through free agency, I was

511
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Speaker 3: hoping for like a you know, a four or five

512
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: year old or a year deal. I was with a

513
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: couple of different guys, Darvish and Arietta, and I ended

514
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: up getting the probably the worst deal out of everybody.

515
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: So that's frustrating, right, you go through it. I got

516
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Speaker 3: a one year deal, and at the time, I think

517
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Speaker 3: people were rejecting for for you know, who knows what.

518
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Speaker 3: And then when you get a one year deal, it

519
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: kind of it's a kick in the sack. And that's

520
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Speaker 3: what I went through my first time. And then it

521
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: took all the way into spring training and that just

522
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: beats at you. As Kyle was talking about, like he's

523
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Speaker 3: try to stay prepared.

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Speaker 2: You're just like.

525
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: This, this, this, and you see guys signing and it

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Speaker 3: just it just hurts a little bit because once February,

527
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: like once Valentine's say hits, we're in our in our brain,

528
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: We're like, hey, we're supposed to be somewhere and it's

529
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: not happening and you're not getting what you you know, work,

530
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: you work so hard to get the free agency. You know,

531
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: seven six, seven years to get to freegency, and it's

532
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: not there because of the market or you know which

533
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: teams are involved this or that, So it can it

534
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: can hurt your feelings a little bit, to be honest.

535
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Speaker 3: And then my next one, I was signed before I

536
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Speaker 3: was signed during winter meetings, so you know, three months

537
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Speaker 3: before I was signed the year before when I was

538
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: supposed to be getting more money. So every year is different.

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Speaker 3: Every time I've been in free agent was different. So

540
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: there's no good way to go about it. Uh, you

541
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: just got to try to stay connected. Uh, you know,

542
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: make sure you have a plan with your agent and

543
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: you know, whatever comes available, you're ready to talk about

544
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Speaker 3: it and see what works out and then you hope

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00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: for the best. But there's no perfect way to do

546
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Speaker 3: it unless you're like the show Haze of the world,

547
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 3: and it's pretty pretty easy. But the rest of us

548
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: have to, you know, see what's out there and see

549
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: where we go, and the market kind of dictates itself.

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Speaker 1: Well, gentlemen, I think that's going to bring us to

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Speaker 1: the end of the program. I gotta say that. Lance,

552
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: You're in a car and I think your signal is

553
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: the strongest and the lighting is the best. You look tremendous.

554
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: Good luck on uh on bringing home a few carcasses.

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Speaker 2: Well, the gray, you know, the gray makes everything pop

556
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Speaker 2: on camera.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Kyle can't grow beard, so he didn't have to worry

559
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Speaker 2: about it. Yeah.

560
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Matt's got it in there, but he hides it.

561
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Speaker 3: He does well. His boys are his boys are young,

562
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Speaker 3: so they're keeping him young.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: I think when you have it shorter, you can see

566
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: more of the gray. See the last couple of times.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm going for that.

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Speaker 4: Takeover.

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Speaker 3: You know, I like the I like the gray. You know,

570
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Speaker 3: it makes me feel like I deserve to be retired.

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Speaker 3: That's my modest distinguished.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a major leaguer who once told me,

573
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, the more money I make, the better look,

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Speaker 1: And I get that was Lance Lynn.

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Speaker 2: I did say that I did.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Card's Territory,

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Speaker 1: Lance good luck on your duck hunt. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: watching and listening. By the way, if you subscribe on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate it. If your podcasting, give us a five

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Speaker 1: star rating. And thanks for watching Cardinal Territory. It's part

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Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Network. Hopefully next edition won't Suckti

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