1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 2: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 2: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode of 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: Reality with the King, I got my girl and you'all 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: favorite Epony k Williams is black to look, not brack 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: but back. 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: She's black and baby, we're in the brackets. 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: What's going on with the Wendy and Eddie osepho case? 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: With more updates? But before we get into it, Ebony, 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: how argue my love? Oh? 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: I'm doing so well, Carlos the King. Just back from 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: a little Judge Ebony taping in Los Angeles. So I'm 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: back on the East Coast and excited about it. 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: So excited a lot of your fans and the rain 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: drops happened asking about this show. So when can we 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: expect it to come back on the airwaves? 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: So you know, it's syndication. So we love a good 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: syndication because we keep it going. But the brand new 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: episodes those top of the year, top of the year. 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: They can expect brand new episodes of Judge Evitie. 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: Okay, good, So listen, raindog'rek in for a Christmas tree. 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: Our gift is more episode the top of the year. 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: So look, let's get right into the latest update, Ebony 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: as it relates to what's going on with Wendy and 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Eddie and their alegend prime of insurance fraud. So the 32 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: update is this, Wendy Oseppho accuses police of illegal arrest 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: as she demands the fraud charges be dismissed. So Rain drops, 34 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: what's going on right now is Wendy demanded the same 35 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: of why you're in verbal communications due to an allegedly 36 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: unlawful interception, also claiming that unlawfully obtained admission statements or 37 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: confessions should not be allowed as evidence in court. She 38 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: also requested that the trial of co defendants be severed 39 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: from the trials of a defendant, meaning that she wants 40 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: her and Eddie to be tried separately. So listen, Evan, 41 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: we have a lot to talk about. But before we 42 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: get to all of that, explain to me why is 43 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: now Wendy alleging that the charges should be dropped because 44 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: in her words, her attorney's words, rather, she is alleging 45 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: that it was an illegal yes. 46 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: Erect Okay, So we're going to zoom out for a second, Carlos, 47 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: because this is is it's dense, uh, and it's meaty, 48 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: and it's all very standard. Actually, so I want rain 49 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: drops to know that this is not wild beyond scope 50 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: type of behavior from the case of this of this 51 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 3: nature and this magnitude. So as a defense lawyer, you know, 52 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: our job is to defend our clients zealously in every 53 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: legal parameter available to us. So there's basically two ways 54 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: in which we tend to do that. Uh, the substance 55 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: of the case. Okay, so that's kind of what we 56 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: see a trial. You know, they literally didn't do it. 57 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: But before we get to that, there's a great opportunity, 58 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: and any defense lawyer will tell you this, Carlos, to 59 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: get rid of the case, so to speak, eradicated, beat 60 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: the charges, so to speak, before we even get to trial. 61 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: And it's these types of pre trial motions. So that's 62 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: what y'all are looking at raindrop. This is a standard 63 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: pre trial motion that doesn't even get to whether they 64 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 3: actually did this or not. This is simply saying that 65 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: the way in which these charges even came about are illegal. 66 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 4: At the onset. So this is procedural. Okay. 67 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: This is where ca dural pre trial procedural stage, and Windy, 68 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: through her attorney, is saying that pump the brakes. We 69 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: don't even need to get to a trial because the 70 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: way in which my client has even faced charges, the 71 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: way y'all collected this evidence, the way that you have 72 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: actually charged her with these crimes is illegal, and it's 73 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: illegal per the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution of the 74 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 3: United States. So the Fourth Amendment, amongst other things, Carlos, 75 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: protects all of us from being free from illegal searches 76 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: and seizures. Okay, so this is a search and seizure clause, 77 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: amongst other things. But that's the biggie. So that says 78 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: that no government entity can invade our privacy, can can 79 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: take from us, can search our person or home or 80 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: car or anything without probable cause. 81 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 4: So that's another big legal easee word. I want you 82 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 4: all to stay with me. 83 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 3: On probable cause. What is probable cause, Carlos. Probable cause 84 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: is a requirement before you eat start searching and patent 85 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: and all of this. You have to have a reasonable leave. 86 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: Law enforcement. 87 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the cops, the sheriff, whatever, the law enforcement, 88 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: the FBI, whoever is acting as law enforcement in the case, 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 3: must have a reasonable belief okay, that criminal activity is afoot, 90 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: that a crime. They can't just out of the clear 91 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: blue sky walk up to you off the street, Carlos, 92 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: and start patting you down, and you know, going through 93 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: your car and all of this. That and the third 94 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 3: and let's say they find contraband, drugs, weapons, whatever. 95 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: Now you're arrested. 96 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 3: Well, if I'm your lawyer, I'm getting all that tossed 97 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: out and my client is walking away free because you 98 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: had no probable cause to stop mister King. 99 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 4: Now, what does probable cause look like? 100 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: Basic example, most people are maybe familiar with or someone 101 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: they know the odor of marijuana. So let's say you're 102 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: driving down the street and you're speeding. Excuse me, not 103 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: speeding because speeding is probable cause, because that's a crime too, 104 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: or in fact, but let's say you're driving the speed 105 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: limit and the cop pulls you over, Hey, mister King, 106 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 3: hope you're well licensing registration. As you hand over licensing registration, Carlos, 107 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 3: if that officer claims to smell the aroma of Marie 108 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: Juana Okay or sees maybe something that looks like contraband 109 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: and plain sight in your vehicle, that. 110 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: Can service the probable cause. 111 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: So going to the set and then that allows everything 112 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: to come after that, the search, the seizure, the arrest. 113 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 4: Potentially they're all legal because. 114 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: They are respecting the Fourth Amendment because the probable cause 115 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: requirement reasonable belief that crime is afoot has been satisfied. 116 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: Going to Wendy, her lawyer, Carlos is saying, I don't 117 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: care what y'all say y'all have on my client. I 118 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: don't care what audiotapes, what emails, what alleged confessions, what 119 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: statements she may or may not have made to officers 120 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: or investigators against her interests. 121 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 4: Y'all can't use any of it. 122 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: It's all illegally obtained because it is all gathered in 123 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: violation of her Fourth Amendment constitutional rights. 124 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: She is being they are arguing illegally. 125 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: Illegally, she has had illegal searches and seizures afoot. 126 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:54,559 Speaker 4: Is that making sense? 127 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: No, No, it's makes sense because the thing is this, 128 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: what you're saying is, look, any lawyer right would at 129 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: their first step is to make sure, yes, this is 130 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: the first step, to make sure that we do not 131 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: want to go to trial, and let's try to enforce 132 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: something where our charges can be dropped so that a 133 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: trial is not you know, does not occur. Yes, So 134 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: any lawyer would first say, look, let's look into the 135 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: Fourth Amendment, the search and caizuar clause to make sure 136 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: that I don't care what you allss you have on 137 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: my client. We are considering this as a way of 138 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: saying that you gots I legally search her home. 139 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: Because again, I. 140 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: Want to make it very clear, and I'm gonna get 141 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: to the rest of a second. This is only doctor 142 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: Wendy's attorney. 143 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: Correct, We're not talking about Eddie at all, rain Drops. 144 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: We're gonna get to mister Ocepo, the Eddie of it 145 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: all in a minute. We are strict and this is 146 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 3: very important. As you said in the intro, Carlos, there's 147 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: already been a request from Wendy's legal team to bifer 148 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: Kate sever the trials. They do not want mister and 149 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: missus Osseppho tried jointly. I'm sure they have reasons for that, 150 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: great reasons. I'm sure they want them tried separately. So 151 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: Wendy has a lawyer, and then Eddie has a lawyer, 152 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: and they are separate counsels. They will not be collaborating 153 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 3: on this matter. 154 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 4: Go ahead. 155 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: So the thing with that is okay, because we're gonna 156 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: get to that in one second. When it comes to 157 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: Wendy's lawyer making this proclamation, do you think, just base 158 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: on the fact that we know it to be as 159 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: of today, do you think there's probable cause for this 160 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: for amendment to stick. 161 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so hard to speculate, Carlos, because we can't 162 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 3: see what they would have cited as the probable cause. 163 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 4: Now it could be. 164 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,359 Speaker 3: Now, I will say to Range, it's not a very 165 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: hard burden to reach. Probable cause just means more probable 166 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: than not. Right, we call it fifty one percent. It's 167 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That's a trial standard. Okay, 168 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: that's not the standard. The standard is reasonable belief that 169 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: criminal activity is afoot. So it could be the testimony 170 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: of one of the investigating officers from the alleged home burglary, 171 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: saying that, well, we're not seeing any evidence of a 172 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: third party breaking and entering, so that gives us reasonable suspicion. 173 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: See how we're possibly getting me that fraudulent activities are 174 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: taking place. That is an example, brain drops. I'm not 175 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: saying that's what they're citing as their probable cause. 176 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 4: That would be an example. 177 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: It could be a. 178 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: Limn of things. 179 00:10:53,760 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 3: It could be that somebody testifies that they saw some 180 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: of the garments on social media or this or that, 181 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: and that triggered a reasonable suspicion to go back to 182 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: the inventory documents of what was claimed to be stolen, 183 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 3: and upon comparison there's a discrepancy. That's an example of 184 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: what the reasonable. 185 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 4: Cause could look like. Now I want to make clear 186 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 4: this too, Carlos. 187 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: When the Wendy's lawyer is asking for all the evidence, 188 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: it's also a suppression motion, right, So it's a dismissal motion. 189 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: I'm asking for all charges against my client to be 190 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: dismissed because I'm alleging that this was an illegal search, 191 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: a violation of her Fourth Amendment right to protect against 192 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: illegal searches and seizures, and also any and all evidence, 193 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: as you laid out. 194 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 4: Carlos, We're talking about potential. 195 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: Emails, wires, audio tapes, polygraph results, anything, all the evidence. 196 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: We're asking for all of that to be suppressed, including 197 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: confessions that I was interesting, including any alleged confessions or 198 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: statements against their own interest from MISSOZPPHO. We want all 199 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 3: of that suppressed, your honor. We don't want any of 200 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: that being used as evidence at trial if there is 201 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: a trial, because we are saying that that is what 202 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: we call fruit of the poisonous tree. 203 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: Fruit of the tree. Let's go back to Adam and Eve, 204 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen. 205 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, fruit of the poisonous tree is a legal doctrine 206 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: that says anything gathered under a defective search warrant or 207 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: see you know it is seized under a defective search 208 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 3: warrant is rotten, it's tainted, it's poisonous. It means it 209 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: could be totally good evidence, it could really prove the 210 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: veracity of the claims. 211 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 4: But because it was gathered and collected. 212 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: Under a defective, unconstitutional way, throw it up. 213 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: It must be all thrown out. 214 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: The evidence now becomes as deficient as the charging document 215 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: is that connecting. 216 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: Oh no, it's connecting majorly some rang job justice sort 217 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: of like summing up for you guys too. What Ebany 218 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: is saying is, look, when these lawyers in a separate filing, 219 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: she acts the prosecutors for all alleged evidence, a list 220 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: of witnesses, polygraph results of the witnesses, the names of 221 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: any confidential informants, and copies of the police reports. 222 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: Because what the lawyer is. 223 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: Saying, even if this look regardless of what you have 224 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: the basis of this being an alleged illegal search removes 225 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: all evidence from even being used as in a court 226 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: of law. 227 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: If this goes to trial, that's correct. 228 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 4: Its poisonous. Think of it, think of it as tainted. 229 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: And I remember learning about this in law school, Carlos, 230 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: and it making so much sense right as to why 231 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: sometimes we see things as the public and we're like, well, clearly, 232 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: I mean it's on tape or we saw it or 233 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: this or that, and how did they get off and 234 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 3: how did they get dismissed? I mean, we all know 235 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: this happened. Oftentimes it's through this mechanism. It's because and 236 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: this is why if you're a law and order fan 237 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: or you watch any of these procedural shows the way 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: in which law enforcement on the front end, you know, 239 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: whether you know you know, you know, whether it's Stabler 240 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: and Benson or whoever, how they go about collecting evidence 241 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: is paramount. They must follow the rules and the book 242 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: to a t because if they don't, it could be 243 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: the best case in the world, the most got them 244 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 3: dead right a center or whatever. And if they if 245 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: they take one misstep, Carlos, and if they don't have 246 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 3: you know, a judge sign off on the search warrant, 247 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: or they don't have solid probable calls to enter the 248 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: room or into the home or into the room or 249 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: into the car, all that good, good evidence they got 250 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: goes out the window. 251 00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: And Rain drive. 252 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: So I of course, I was a junior in high 253 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: school when the O. J. Simpson trial was around and 254 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: the Verdi came out. And I want you guys to 255 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: really listen to what Evny K Willing is saying because 256 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: everything is about reasonable doubt. And that's something I've learned 257 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: watching the OJA trial because Rain dropped. If you remember 258 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: the glove when Johnny Cochran said, if it doesn't fit, 259 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: you must have quit. So remember the glove was fouled 260 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: at the crime scene and the prosecutor used that as evidence. 261 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: And the one thing was when they had O. J. 262 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: Simpson with the plastic glove, try on the glove. 263 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: The evidence was not thrown out. No evidence was thrown 264 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: out in the OJ trial. However, what Johnny Cockran and 265 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: his team did was the cast reasonable doubt when the 266 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: visual evidence of O. J. 267 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: Simpson putting on the glove and it didn't fit. 268 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: That cast a reasonable doubt When Mark Ferman okay, the 269 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: police officers had seen the crime, when he was caught 270 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: on tape saying the in word yes, it cast the 271 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: doubt of okay, is the LAPD And guys, remember this 272 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: is years after the Rodney King situation happened, So the LAPD, 273 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: they were seen at that time as being a very racist, 274 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: apartment hostile Thank you so again, Ebany's cooking because it's 275 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: not about whether or not it's true if this does 276 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: go to trial. 277 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: Let's say it goes to trial. 278 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: Well, when these lawyers doing is casting reasonable doubt on 279 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: the onslaught just in case it goes to trial. But 280 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: obviously they want this to be thrown out. I'm fascinated 281 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: by this. 282 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's amazing. It's amazing, And like I said, 283 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: it's not. 284 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: A deviation Carlos from how these things typically play out. 285 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: It's the thing lawyers, you know, keep in mind. And 286 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: I am a you know, when I practiced, I was 287 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: a defense attorney. But putting that bias aside, our job 288 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 3: as defense attorneys is, you know, the stakes couldn't be higher. 289 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: We are normally dealing with life and or liberty of 290 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: human beings. So it is we take an oath, we 291 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: put our hand on a bible, you know, and we 292 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: swear before God and government that we will do everything 293 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: we can ethically do to zealously defend our clients and 294 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 3: their interest. So Wendy's lawyer, and any lawyer frankly worth 295 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 3: their salt should be doing something like this. Now I'm 296 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: not saying every single case, but generally speaking, why would 297 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: you not try to challenge you know, the search and 298 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: the seizure and then if that's unsuccessful, if then you 299 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: essentially get a second bite at the apple, so to speak, 300 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 3: once you get to the trial level and now you're challenging, 301 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: like you're saying, you know that prosecutorial standard of proof 302 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 3: beyond a reasonable doubt. So you kind of get two opportunities, 303 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 3: see what I'm saying here, to challenge this process. And 304 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: if I'm a defendant, I want my lawyer to take 305 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: every single opportunity to challenge what I am up against. 306 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: Yes, so now rain drops the time you've guys been 307 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: waiting for. Which is another fascination that I want miss 308 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: edby k Williams to really download and break down for us, 309 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: is the fact that Wendy and Eddie have two separate lawyers, 310 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: and Wendy's attorney wants elected to file emotions so that 311 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: they can be trial tried separately. So with that being said, 312 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: her husband Eddie osepho he hired a powerhouse attorney, Joseph Martha, 313 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: who previously worked on a high profile case involving former 314 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: President Bill Clinton and Malaka. 315 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so just for you guys know he is. 316 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: A veteran trial attorney with experience in both state and 317 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: federal courts, which I'm gonna get ebany talk about the 318 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: state and federal because as of today. 319 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: Wendy and Eddie's case is only state. It has not 320 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: reached federal just yet. 321 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: So just note that, however, Joseph Marda represented Linda Tripp. Okay, 322 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: remember Linda Tripp was the one who Malica Lewinsky trusted 323 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: as a you know, a friend. Little did she know 324 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: that Linda Tripp was recording a conversation. So in the case, 325 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: Linda Tripp was accused of breaking the law when she 326 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: taped the conversation with Monica, who we all know was 327 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: involved in the sex scandal with President Clinton. So in 328 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 2: his filing, Eddie demanded prosecutors turn over the names once 329 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: again Ebney, of all potential witness they plan to a 330 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: call to testify against him. 331 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: Eddie's lawyer acts that all charges. 332 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: Be dismissed due to issues with the charging document, like 333 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: the same thing with Wendy. 334 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: Same thing. So they're doing the same thing. It's just 335 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: two separate lawyers. 336 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: What before we get into the lawyer and his background, 337 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: the million dollars question, is this, what message is Eddie 338 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 2: and Whndy is sending to the courts and to the 339 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: court of public opinion and being tried separately Because a 340 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 2: lot of people are saying Eddie may be trying to 341 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: take the fall for this if it comes to that, 342 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: because they do have three small children. 343 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 4: Sure, yes, I mean, we can just kind of cut 344 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 4: to the chase. 345 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: Right. 346 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 3: There's much chatter that perhaps perhaps a strategy at play 347 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 3: here is one co defendant in this case. Eddie assumes 348 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 3: responsibility so to speak of all of the charges you 349 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: know and say there was no conspiracy because conspiracy requires 350 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: two people. There was no conspiracy. My wife, the co defendant, 351 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: knew nothing. If indeed there was foul play here, it's 352 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: all on me, and he assumes all of that liability, 353 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: that legal responsibility himself that is being widely speculated. Is 354 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: that possible? Sure, we've seen it before. It can't happen. 355 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: But two things, it's very important that raindrops understand even 356 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: if that is the legal strategy mister osepho Eddie and 357 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: his legal team are trying to implement, and even if 358 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: there's agreement from Wendy and her legal team and this 359 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: is how we want it to go, prosecutors are not. 360 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 4: Bound by that, Carlos. 361 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: So it's not as if there's optionality amongst the defendants 362 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: to say I'm volunteering to take all the weight here. 363 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 3: Just let her off and then it just be that way, 364 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: if that makes sense. The evidence is what must be evaluated, 365 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: and then the judge and ultimately jewelry. If it gets 366 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: to trial level, will decide if it's believable that you know, 367 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: only one person, if any are responsible here. But certainly 368 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 3: I just don't want there to be a belief which 369 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: I've seen, you know, some people being confused like, oh, well, 370 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: if he's willing to take the fall, doesn't that mean 371 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: she's gonna be okay? It doesn't mean that. It means 372 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: that is a strategy that could be implemented, and then 373 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 3: they will have to see how that plays out in 374 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: front of said judge and jury. 375 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: But that's not a sure thing, is essentially what I'm 376 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 4: trying to say. 377 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's no different than I'm sure many of 378 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 3: us know back in high school or college where the 379 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 3: young ladies holding weight so to speak, drugs for her 380 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: boyfriend and then she gets plat and then he's, oh, 381 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 3: you're honor, she was running it for me and don't 382 00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 3: worry about it. 383 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: I'll take I'll take the rap for her. It don't 384 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: go that way. It don't go that way once once 385 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 4: the facts are out, that is up to what we 386 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 4: call the trier of fact, the judge and or the jury. 387 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: It is not. 388 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: Defendant's choice or co defendant's choice the way these things 389 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: play out to be. 390 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 4: Very clear on that. 391 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm glad you are, so 392 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: we understand that. So with that being said, him hiring 393 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: this powerhouse attorney Joseph Mrda, who was involved, I mean, Ebony, 394 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: we're talking about the biggest scandal to rock the White House, 395 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: I think, I think in history when it came to 396 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton. 397 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: So you run around for Watergate, but go ahead, all right, 398 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 3: a little people's little we we. 399 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 4: Thought in our parents eye for water Gate. 400 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, no, you're right about that. 401 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 4: In modern presidential history. 402 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely yes. 403 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: What message does that then, to hire someone of his 404 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: caliber to represent him in an insurance broad case with 405 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: a lawyer Ebony who is capable of representing him in 406 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 2: the state, which is their current filing, but also the 407 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 2: federal and if this reaches a federal then baby, we're 408 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: talking like we're talking a big deal. 409 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're talking a bigger deal. 410 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: We should say, right, yeah, bigger deal. Sorry, no, no, no, you're. 411 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 4: Right, listen to me. 412 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: I actually think it says something very good, which is 413 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 3: that they are taking this very seriously. 414 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: Eddie. 415 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 4: Let me just speak to Eddie because that's the one 416 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: you know who's representing him. Uh. 417 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: That means that Eddie is rightfully taking this even at 418 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 3: just the state level, which, to be clear, raindrops is 419 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 3: certainly a less severe legal consequence than anything federal would be. 420 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 3: To Carloser's point, everything just gets ratcheted up and some 421 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: arrange offsight be like, but why is that the case? 422 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 4: Let me explain. 423 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 3: It is because the federal government, as we can see 424 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: certainly very clearly in this administration, even more so than 425 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: ever before, has almost unlimited resources, unlimited resources when it 426 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 3: comes to prosecuting claims. So that means there are infinity 427 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: number of investigators, infinity number of expert witnesses, infinity number 428 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 3: of all the things that the prosecution will need to 429 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 3: prove their case, which is why federal prosecutors have over 430 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 3: a ninety five percent prosecution rate versus if you look 431 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: at that of almost any state in the country, it 432 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: is vastly lower because states are subject to what state 433 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 3: budgets and so therefore there is a massive reduction of resources. 434 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: There's only so many investigators that are at the helm 435 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 3: of a state prosecution prosecution office, There's only so many 436 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: expert witnesses. There's only so many of appeal they can go. 437 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. 438 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 3: So there's just a reduction of resources that are going 439 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: to be at play at the state level, which makes 440 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 3: it less severe than anything they could be potentially facing federally. 441 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 4: But let's not get ahead of ourselves. 442 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: As Carlos said, we're not even talking federal at this point, 443 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: and we may never be. Let's be clear that dog 444 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 3: might not hunt because there are certain things that elements 445 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: are are what we call them legally, Carlos, that the 446 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: state requires that the federal it could look totally different. 447 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 3: I do want to just drop this for something for 448 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 3: rain Drops to consider as well, because these are state charges. 449 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: That means the state government and political leadership have a 450 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: lot of power here. And it's not lost on anybody 451 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: that the current governor of Maryland is Governor Wesmore, who 452 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: we know has some however casual or lucid, may be 453 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 3: some relationship with I know his wife, the first Lady 454 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: Don Moore has had some social acquaintances with Wendy him cephone. 455 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 4: So just putting that. 456 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 3: Out there as everybody's talking about Trump and and and 457 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: Diddy or whatever and all of these pardons and this, 458 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: that and the third. There is a political element that 459 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: might enter this conversation at some point. 460 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if you watched last night's episode Potomac. 461 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 4: I did not, but I did see the clip of 462 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 4: Stacy speaking with Andy. I watch What Happens Live. 463 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So the First Lady was at this like Derby event, 464 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: and so. 465 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 4: She was actually in the episode last night. 466 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm about to gag you. So long story short, 467 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: long story short. 468 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: The girls are being you know, housewise, you know of 469 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: feel them being loved. Caddy and Wendy interrupts and it 470 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: says the first Lady's approaching, behave yourself. She puts her 471 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: heels back on, and her and Joseille go to speak 472 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: to the first Lady. 473 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: And Evany K. 474 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: Williams the camera stopped, freeze frozen frame, pointed an arrow 475 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: at this person off camera, and wrote wrote on the 476 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: screen the First Lady did not want to appear on camera, right, 477 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: not at all surprised. 478 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: I was wondering how they were So I only knew. 479 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: This because full disclosure, I have not watched Potomac since 480 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: the binder of it all, many many moves ago. 481 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: I loved them all. 482 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 3: I loved them all and I, as you know, we 483 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 3: have friends, we have all we all have mutual friends 484 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: who had literally been at events and not this derby, 485 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 3: by the way. So in addition to this derby, there 486 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: are other social events, which makes this because Wendy is 487 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: a lady about town, you know, she is running in 488 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: the social circles of the social lights of Maryland. And 489 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 3: so it is no surprise and I'm not at all surprised, 490 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: but I am a. 491 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 4: Little gagged that they actually and how they produced it. 492 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: I guess like you're saying. But yeah, so that's just. 493 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 3: Something again, you know, not trying to overplay that, not 494 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: trying to make any assumptions around it, but just something 495 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: for rain drops to consider that because it stays. Because 496 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: if these were federal charges, the governor and and and 497 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: and everybody else can't do anything about it. But because 498 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: they are state charges, there could be opportunity, if need be, 499 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: for relief at that level. 500 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: I do want to ask you this before I let 501 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: you go, because I'm just curious in terms of your thought, 502 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: because a lot of people had a lot of things 503 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: to say about this. So last week, Ebony, uh, doctor 504 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: Wendy and Eddie both released. 505 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: Their own personal statement. So prior to. 506 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: Last Sunday, they had a lawyer speak on their behalf 507 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: asking for privacy as they figured this out. Last Sunday, however, 508 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: they released a statement separately on their Instagram pages. 509 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: I want to read you, Ebeny's and I want to 510 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: read you something that. 511 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 4: Made no statement Wendy statement. 512 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: We did a caption on his page to Ebony. 513 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 4: Oh Eddie, Oh I'm sorry, you said, Eddie. 514 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: Okay, that's okay, look at it. 515 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: So Wendy and Eddie both left the caption on their 516 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: Instagram pages. 517 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, okay, okay. 518 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: So I want to read you. 519 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: Wendy's she posted a picture of herself and the caption 520 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: read and through it all, God remains faithful. Thank you 521 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: for the outpouring of love, support and prayers for myself 522 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: and most importantly, my family during this time. We are 523 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: forever grateful. Eddie also released his own statement, pretty much 524 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: echoing their faith in God. Well, some people pointed out, 525 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: is this and this is the million dollar question if 526 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: this was purposeful and if it means anything the rain 527 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: drops and the audience said hmm. And the statement from 528 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: y'all joint attorney at the time, a representative an attorney. 529 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: Y'all did not use the word we're innocent. In y'all 530 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: separate Instagram post talking about God. 531 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: You both did not use the word innocent. 532 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: A lot of people are wondering, why wouldn't they say 533 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: we deny all of this and we're innocent, like they 534 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: may have read in other people's statements. 535 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: Is that something that practs your curiosity? 536 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 4: Not really, And I'm gonna tell you why. 537 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 3: It's because if they're being advised early and wisely, I 538 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: wouldn't tell my clients to make any statement of factual 539 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: innocence at this stage. 540 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 4: Why. Because it's not of service. It's not of service? 541 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 4: Is that? Who does that? 542 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: Feed the peanut gallery? The folks in the comments. They're 543 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 3: not in charge of my client's destiny or faith. And 544 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: if I you know what I mean, no disrespect, love 545 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 3: you all, but maybe you're not the triyer's or fault. 546 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 3: That is for your honor and the twelve ladies and 547 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: gentlemen of the jury. And because I want all options 548 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 3: available to me, Carlos, I just went through the ethics 549 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: and the oath that we take, and I need to 550 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 3: have all the bites at the apple, and I need 551 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 3: to have all the all the plays on the table 552 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 3: that could include. 553 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 4: A plead, and it is a wholly possible. Let me 554 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 4: just pay a scenario. 555 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: Let's say let's say they figured they I'll just use 556 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: wind random. 557 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: Uh. 558 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 3: Wendy and her legal team decide that the best legal 559 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 3: interest for her is to enter into a plea bargain. 560 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: It is possible that such plea bargain might require an 561 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: admission of guilt. 562 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 4: It's possible. 563 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you about another kind of plea bargain 564 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 3: that doesn't even require that minute. I'm gonna gag you right, 565 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 3: gag you right back, honey. 566 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 4: But let's say that, let's say one. 567 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 3: You're so silly me, honey, listen, we read. But let's 568 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: say let's say one requires an admission of guilt. You 569 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 3: know what I wouldn't want is from my client to 570 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 3: now look less credible, less believable, less truthful, because. 571 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 4: They're gonna say, oh, well, that's interesting. Uh. 572 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: Back in October you said you were innocent, incident and innocent, 573 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 3: and now you're standing before the coreroom today, accepting responsibility 574 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: and asking for mercy from the court. Well, which one 575 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 3: is it it's unnecessary. Now, I mentioned that there's another 576 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: type of plea that doesn't even require an admission of guilt. 577 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: It's called an Alford plea. I used to use these 578 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 3: on occasion as a defense lawyer. An Alford plea, Alfred 579 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 3: that comes from that's a president, that's a case, an 580 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 3: alphad plea. Carlos says that I could say, your honor, 581 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 3: I am entering into on behalf of my client, Wendyocephal 582 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 3: We're entering into an alphad plea, which says we're making 583 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 3: no admission of factual guilt. We're not saying we did 584 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 3: anything wrong at all, but we are saying that the evidence. 585 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 4: Looks compelling, and we believe that legally. 586 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 3: And strategically, it is in my client's best interest to 587 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: not go to trial because the evidence is so compelling. 588 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 4: Even though we're not admitting any actual guilt. 589 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: Here, we're saying that the best legal thing to do 590 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 3: is enter into a plea bargain. 591 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 4: That is the beauty of an alpha please. 592 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 3: So it allows you to reap the legal benefit of 593 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 3: a bargain with prosecution, a pre determined deal, you know, 594 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 3: which normally comes with reduced sentence. And this and that 595 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 3: and other perks. But you actually do not make an 596 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 3: admission of factual guilt an Alfred plead. So but back 597 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 3: to you, back to your question. Those are all the 598 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 3: reasons why I am not bothered or alarmed by the 599 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: omission of a declaration of innocence at this stage of 600 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 3: the game. That it literally serves it's it's it's of 601 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 3: no service to either. 602 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 2: Osepha Listen, That's why I wanted to clear it up, 603 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: because I thought the safe thing. And at the end 604 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: of the day, at the end of the day, what's 605 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 2: interesting range jobs is this, by law, you're innothent. 606 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: Until proving guilty. So like like having. 607 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: Said, it does more harm than good for me to 608 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 2: do stopping for the court of public opinion. I'm going 609 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: to behave in a way that makes me do things 610 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: the right way in the court of law and that 611 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: the depths are rest. 612 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, we're not playing crisis management. You know, 613 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 3: no disrespect to that important work, because it's very important. 614 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 3: But the stakes are too high. The stakes are too high. 615 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 3: They can worry about image rehabilitation and all that far 616 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: down the road. This is a time to be totally 617 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: preoccupied with legal best interest, legal best interest. Yeah, and 618 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 3: one thing at a time. Like I said it, rain drops, 619 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 3: We're at a very preluminary stage. We have not gotten 620 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 3: to anything substantive yet. That's why it is way too 621 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 3: early to make any assumptions about substantive guilt or innocence. 622 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 3: This is are the charging documents even right? Is the 623 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: evidence collected properly? Are the witnesses credible? That's the stage 624 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: of the game we're. 625 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 2: At, ladies, gentlemen, Games and Dave Ebony K Williams, thank 626 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 2: you so much, Sis for. 627 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: Bringing down for us and listen. 628 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 2: Will We will be back excuse me when more conversations 629 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 2: and more talks about this occur. 630 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, guys, thank you. 631 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: All for tapping into this episode and we'll see y'all 632 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 2: the next one. 633 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: Bye. 634 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 4: My Loves. 635 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 2: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King, 636 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership with. 637 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: The Lack Effect Network. 638 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 2: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at 639 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 2: the Carlos King Underscore