WEBVTT - Break Down to Break Through with Miles Adcox 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.960 Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay, 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:12.680 so I am just really excited about today's show because 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.840 we have Miles ad Cox coming on the show and 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.360 he is the co founder of on Site Workshops, which 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:22.400 is where I went from my retreat intensive four and 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.279 a half days, six individual hours a day with a 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:31.320 therapist in a room and no phone. We missed you. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.040 I missed you, guys. It was very Although it's like 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.199 a day one captain's log. Dear Janna, this is what 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:39.200 I wanted to share with you today, but I didn't 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.839 get a chance to letters to camp. But it was 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.000 an amazing experience. And there's I just I really want 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:52.159 him to come on to um talk about that special 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.080 place that it is and what people can expect to 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.840 go there, and um, yeah, it's just a it's a 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:04.720 it's a beautiful place. And I feel like do I 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.080 say this? I just I mean, I could go there 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.240 all the time. It's so great. But I'm excited for Chicago. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.800 I'm ready, guys. It's been hard to not be with you. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:16.920 I feel like we need to one every day. Well 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.360 actually I kind of needed like I didn't need a break. Yeah, 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.199 and he added detox. I needed a wine. I haven't 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.880 had a much wine in a long time. I drink 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.760 a lot. It's like sweating on Tuesday. And I was like, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.600 I'm pretty sure that. I'm pretty sure that's Gabernet. I 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.880 think I need to take a deep breath. Oh god, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.399 those shows were so much fun. But we are going 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.480 to add new dates. I think we're we're looking at 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:44.119 New York, We're looking at Cali, We're looking at those 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.760 girls are already they are like all about my ig, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.280 like when you come into Michigan, but I might need 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:56.160 a Michigan sweatshirt at duh. It's a homecoming Michigan. I 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:01.440 wasn't going to do whatever. You are not fine, It's fine, 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.680 we are. She doesn't want to tell you, so she's 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.760 more Michigan than people that don't know how. I don't 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.400 play every time. I learned I was drunk in college. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.320 I just want everyone to know that. And I don't 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.200 remember the rule. We'll be drinking wine down, so we'll 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:19.600 teach you then and I'll forget again. Okay, speaking of patterns, Miles, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:34.560 I've got let's get him on in. Well, thank you. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.560 I know that you are jet lagged from from the 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:40.920 from the wedding in the troup, which, by the way, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.240 I feel like a lot of planes right now. Ever, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.760 feel like everyone gets delayed every like right now, it's 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:47.480 like so bad. So I don't know what's going on, 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.240 but definitely you want your patients test to go fly right. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.440 I've heard that people are saying that if you have 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.200 like an actual speaking engagement, or if it's like for business, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.000 that you should book at least two flights, two separate airlines, 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.800 because that's the chances of one getting canceled. Is so 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.400 in your favor right now that to have a backup plan, 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.320 that's not a bad idea noted for next time when 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:17.560 you're not at Britney Spears's wedding. Um okay, so Miles 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.560 and I go way back. I met Miles Scott how 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:25.160 many years ago? Fifteen years ago, even more? Yeah, probably 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.880 even more than that. I believe it was at Vanderbilt 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:34.600 Children's Hospital. Good memory, thank you. Um yeah, I remember 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.360 meeting you there and then um some Miles in which 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:43.280 we've already talked about. But he I'll let you go 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.160 into where you started because I'm I would mess it up. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.640 But just give the background because we're we obviously I 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.720 talked to some about some about on site, and I'm 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.040 gonna we're gonna ask you some questions around that and 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.520 the other things. But can you just give a brief 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.600 description of on site because that's kind of the focus 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.360 of what we were talking about earlier in the show. Sure. Yeah, 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.960 on site is something I'm really proud to get an 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.760 opportunity to own and and and run and be part 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.920 of an amazing team. I made a pivot back gosh, 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.680 almost two decades ago. That's aging me. But I was 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.159 in the entertainment space for a brief period working on 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.200 the business side of sports, and kind of hit a 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.520 patch in my own life where I needed some support 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.320 and I got it. Thankfully, the right people came around 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.000 me at the right time, and I just had a 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.919 real lights coming on moment and new I wanted to 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.640 shift gears and be a part of helping people evolve 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.120 and and just become the best versions of whole I 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.680 know they can be in their relationships and with themselves. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.320 And so that to me took me in the lane 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.400 of psychology, and I did some more training and education 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.880 and got into the space and have been in it 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.160 now for quite some time and operated and run several programs, 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.120 but the one I spend most of my time with 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.839 and the one that I'm probably known for, is on 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.880 site and on side as an emotional wellness retreat offering. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:07.800 We offer personal growth retreats, intensive self development work, um, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.120 you know, intensive therapy programs. And then I've also got 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.080 some longer term options too, And we've got our main 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.560 campus is just outside Nashville, about forty five minutes on 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.280 a couple hundred acres a beautiful farm. And then we've 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.679 got a second location we just added in San Diego 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.320 County in southern California. So that's the very very quick version. 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.200 But I'll be happy to get granular and tell you 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.120 anything you want to know about it. Well, CHRISTI wants 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:35.400 to know how we can get her husband there. I 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.359 was like, so, we've got offered my husband and I 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.679 got offered to go do a four day intensive there. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:45.440 But then COVID hit and so, and I'll be honest 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.279 at the time when the offer came through, it was like, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.760 how do I leave my kids and unplugged for four days? 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.480 Because I have like what some might classify as anxious 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:59.599 attachment whatever when it comes to my children, So I 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.880 was like, yeah, yeah, okay, and you too. I really 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.160 didn't miss you guys. It's weird and we're together and 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.600 then not together. But I thought four days is a 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.840 long time, and I just it's so funny because I 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.520 knew that I got the chance to talk to you today, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.440 and I started thinking about on Site again this morning, 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.680 and I was like, I actually think four days feels 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.880 like something I would do now because you, you and 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.279 on Site are behind so many successful marriages on the 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.200 country music side of like my world that I just 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.520 can't imagine. I can't imagine what four days to actually 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.520 just like think would be like at this point in 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:40.680 my life. No, no, no no, please, please please you. First 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.520 of all, I can I can relate, and I know 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.280 what's behind the curtain. I'm a advocate of the work 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.760 both is uh, you know, someone who delivers it, but 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.120 also somebody who participates in it. I believe in it 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.159 enough that I do at least one tune up a 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.760 year for myself or my my marriage. And but every time, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.840 even though I know it's going to be beneficial and 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.800 we've that that at four day window is really tried 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.960 and true. Once people had an experience with us. Then 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.360 we can get creative and curate shorter experiences like two 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.200 days or three day or even one day or a 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.200 half day. But for the first time, if you're coming 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.560 in as a couple or as an individual, that we've 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:20.160 really researched that amount of time and it it, you 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.320 would think it it's gonna be monumentous to be able 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.640 to step away from family obligations and things for four 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.840 full days, but you'd be shocked at how fast it 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.120 goes once you're there. But I want to humanize it 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.880 and say every year I know it's going to be beneficial. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.400 I even get excited about it now. In some years, 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.400 I've got stuff I really need to unpack, you know, 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.400 I might be in a high stress season, and there's 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.080 other years things are going quite well and I just 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.760 want to do a tune up, just just for prevention sakes. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.400 But every time I stress and struggle about the time away, 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.480 I think it's just human nature when we're in a 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.640 rhythm and routine and suddenly it's going to be disrupted. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.000 Especially to do a digital clans like we do at 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.880 our place, that definitely promotes some anxiety so you're not 0:07:59.920 --> 0:08:03.440 alone there and having some trepidation about coming. I will 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.760 say too, there's something that um because I called Miles 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.840 probably was probably two months ago, and I was just 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.880 like I need to come now, like right now, like 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.120 I'm in crisis mode. I can't shut my brain off, 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.960 like I'm not good, and I just you know, we 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.000 we talked through you know what I'm because I've obviously 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.360 had been on set before two times before that, and 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.120 and I remember talking to him too. And then when 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:29.840 I saw you there because you you came with your 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:34.120 family and there was um there was for some reason, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.480 I felt shame around it, going like how am I 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.520 here again? And you definitely made me feel so much 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.360 better when you said that you tune up to and 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.360 things come up and I'm like, okay, so like because 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.880 I almost felt I felt like a failure coming back. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.560 It's not a place you graduate from, right, That's what 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.320 I loved. When you just said that to you, I 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.080 was like, oh, tune up like it just made it 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.520 so that makes it sound better versus like oh I 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.160 have to go or yeah, like I thought I thought 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.600 I fixed that twelve years ago when I went that 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.840 one time, and then I thought I fixed it the 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.680 next time, and I'm like, how am I here again? 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.280 And like that's where it just feels like yeah, I 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.400 don't know if it was like embarrassment or for a 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.600 shame or like what it was. But but then you 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.280 were like no, like there's the tune ups and the 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.160 you know, you learning things and I'm like, okay, like 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.120 that that made me feel so much better. So I 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:25.880 just I want to thank you for that too, because 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.439 I think it was hard to kind of walk back 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.480 in that space again. That's really good to hear and 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.160 you're not and I'm sure you know, but you're not 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.680 alone there either. It's a I think I thought a 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.240 lot about that, you know why people struggle and feel 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.559 that if you come and invest in time with us 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.600 that you're trying to fix something that's wrong with you, 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.200 and it's it's you know, kind of counseling gets that 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.440 wrap too, but it's actually not what's wrong with you 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.000 at all. That you invest in becoming a better version 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.880 of yourself no matter what season you're in, that's what's 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.800 right with you. And it's not something I tell people 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.360 all the time. It's not something you need, it's something 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.800 you deserve. It's just humans. We don't look at our 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.320 our mental wellness and our mind and our hearts the 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.920 same way we do as our physical bodies. We know, 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.600 improving our lives physically, it's not a linear process. It's 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.280 not a check the box, start and stop. It's a maintenance. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.520 The same goes with with the mind, and it's it's 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.280 a That's why I like calling an emotional fitness versus 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.640 just this idea that we start here and stop here 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.959 and skip through the meadow kombay and after we've done 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.160 a little work, It's that's just the start of it. 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.760 It's but the good news is over time, once you've 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.600 got tools and you know the work, it gets a 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.280 little lighter every time you're doing it, even if life 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.000 throws you a pretty big curveball. That's so true on 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.800 the fitness side, because I'm like, are we ever really 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.520 like we might be in our best shape, but then 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.760 you can fall back into certain patterns and it's like, yeah, 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:47.760 I've never thought of it like those two together. Emotional 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.840 fitness emotional fitness. You need to t m that pretty 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.400 quick because I really like it. I've made the mistakes. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.280 I started talking about it probably twelve years ago, back 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.680 when nobody cared always talking at the holiday in in 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.880 Phoenix to six people, probably my friends at the time, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:11.920 but your way. But as as the speaking has really 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.520 grown over the years outside of the last two years 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.280 in the rooms got bigger and started speaking to large 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.680 groups of people, I realized that was such a good 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.040 frame and I actually wrote a definition for it and 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.160 started working on a book for it, and never trademarked it. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.480 And and then since then two other books and a 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.199 company came out and I was like, oh, I missed 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.559 that one, but I still use it. You're the O G. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.120 Miles For everyone that's listening, we know well who knows 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.760 I'm there. I think we're all just spiritual thiefs, but 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:40.720 at least we still from the best. Somebody probably had 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.280 it before I did. Sure. I think what's so special 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.000 about onset too, and I'd love for you to speak 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.000 to it is the experiential therapy. Because when I explained 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:52.720 it to someone and I say, okay, um, you know, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.719 people d roll and in role as like my dad 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.160 or in role as you know, my best friend, or 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.840 they enrolled like for example, when I was there, I 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.600 had I enrolled as queendom, so I got to step 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.520 into like and every time to talk to my friends 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.360 like the correct but like and it's like then I 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.920 had to talk to myself how queendom would talk to me? 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.600 And it's like there's something so special about experiential therapy 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:21.720 that really just hits it, like right on the head, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.680 like because it's you know, I've done therapy for so long, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.480 but there's something about that experiential work to really like 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.439 embody it. And I don't know, I don't know the 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.880 methods were, like the terminology behind it, but like what 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:34.920 do you think is so why do you think that 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.880 therapy is so impactful versus other types of therapy? Mm? Hm, Well, 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.520 what you're describing experienial therapy is is not It's certainly 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.160 not the only model we do, but it is the 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.679 one we're known for because we've been doing it a 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.120 long time. I'm a big advocate and believer in experiential 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.560 counseling therapy and even experiential education. When you're talking and 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:55.920 you know what what is it, Well, it's a it's 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.679 kind of an umbrella or a body of therapeutic modalities 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.920 or age techniques that are action oriented versus just talking. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.319 Because so most of us that have either done counseling 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.079 or we've seen it on tv U. You think about 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.400 it as a verbal exchange between one person and another. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:14.920 If you most people see it on me. Do you 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.840 see some my land on a couch and they're telling, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.160 you know, somebody something, that's that's what we most that's 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.880 what we usually do, and that's well researched. That's kind 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.560 of cognitive behavioral therapy or processing. It's really beneficial and 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.760 it's effective. But for me, I did years of that 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.440 and still felt really stuck until somebody got creative and 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.640 showed me my story versus told me and reflected my 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.880 story back to me. Because if you hear it in 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.920 the context of like, yeah, we do role play and 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.480 use drama on art, that would sound a little weird. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.719 Out of context, you're like, what, I don't want any 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.000 part of that. But actually, for me, it moves, It 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.160 moves faster, it feels safer, It hits the right part 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.800 of my brain because our rational reasoning part, which is 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.840 this pre final cortext if you think about the brain 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.680 from the top down, is usually offline. When we're in 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.720 strang us and we hold pain and trauma and our 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:07.440 limbic and we just find experiential tools and therapy to 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.280 access that limbic where we hold a lot of our pain, uh, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.319 you know, much more efficiently and faster. It's important that 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.920 it's done safely because it's a powerful tool and you 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.960 don't want to come in and and and uh, you know, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.360 open someone up and without the tools and skill to 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.240 be able to slowly integrate. But it is um and 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.440 if if I were to say something to you, all 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.360 activates a third of your brain like I'm doing now. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.880 If I were to show it to you, it activates 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.160 two thirds. And if I were to make it kinesthetic 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.360 and put it into action, it activates all of it. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.880 You know. Uh. If you great trial attorneys UM that 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.320 are trying to convince a jury, uh, you know, to 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.880 to move their direction, They're not going to tell them 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.560 what they want them to hear. They're going to show them. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.080 They're gonna bring props into the room because they know 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.720 that if I can make this experience visual in kinesthetic, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.840 I'm more likely to sway someone's opinion my way. So 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.720 those are just a couple of quick examples, and there's 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.880 a lot of creative ways to do it, but we 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.440 found it to be a really highly effective model to 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.280 move really quickly and do a whole lot. I mean, 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.480 some people hour by hour would compare our one week 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.200 experience at Living Center program to like a year's worth 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.000 of about patient therapy just because the pace it moves. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.680 Does that? Does that help? Jenna did that a little bit. Yeah, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.240 it's hard to describe to people that haven't been through 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.640 it because they kind of go, that sounds a little weird. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.360 I'm like, no, no, but like it's the it's the 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.760 most intense, amazing work that, like you said, I like, 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.840 it's it's years of therapy in four days. I also 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.880 think there's a level of safety that you guys provide 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.680 at on site. Like I've had so many friends go 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.240 and just recently, like one of my friends, Hayley Hubbard, 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.280 just came back and she's been open about her visit there. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.400 That's why I'm sharing this. But you know, even when 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:55.760 she was texting me the other day, she was just 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.480 talking about She's like, you know, I went and I 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:02.080 was going to be with these people and family, um, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.720 and she goes and then they weren't able to But 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:05.040 it was just good because I just got to sit 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.160 with myself and I'm like, yeah, but it's it feels 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.000 so welcoming back because you guys have made it so safe. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:14.080 I think that then experiential therapy doesn't feel so weird 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.760 or like, you know, I've been in some intensive like 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.040 a two day intensive or a one day intensive with 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.520 a group of country wives that you know, we're all 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:26.200 processing and it's if I was to describe what we 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.440 did they're together, would sound strange to people. But because 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.760 you're in such a safe environment and you have this 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.400 like code of conduct that you know it's confidential, I 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.320 think knowing the level that you guys hold that piece 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.280 makes people feel safe enough to do what you do 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.080 there and allows them the feeling of like they got 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.680 a year's worth in four days. And it's such an 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.400 investment too, you know, like too, you're investing in yourself, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.280 which is I know people can be like, oh, well 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.040 it's expensive, and you guys have things to help with that, 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.920 don't you. Yeah, we kind of diversify or SoC economic 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.640 Really it is expensive and good good really, because I 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.359 curate therapeutic talent to death. I want the best of 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.400 the best around the table and and we go to 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.399 to any means to to get them. And so that 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.159 they can support us with part of their time. I've 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.200 just you know, counseling is like any other profession. There's 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.240 a wide array of talent, and the the education and 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.800 credentials are vital, but that doesn't dictate your skill level 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.120 and your ability to be good at your work. There's 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.840 other factors that go into it and attracting those people. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.480 And then also I really appreciate what you were sharing 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.879 about the safety piece because I'm obsessed with that. I 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.800 think psychological safety is everything because without it, we don't 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.840 have trust. And you can do great therapy without trust, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.480 but I don't find it to be very sustainable and 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.359 it doesn't support great outcomes. So if we lose our 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.280 ability to be who we are and curate in an 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.560 environment where people feel safe to be vulnerable, then we're 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.000 missing the mark right out of the gate. And we 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.080 have an advantage because we have a location where we 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.320 can curate an experience, We can curate the hospitality, we 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.480 can kind of insulate the environment enough where people can 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.600 experience psychological safety. And that's my favorite thing of everything. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.600 We do. Take all the tools, the techniques, the change 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.360 and we're not there to do anything to you. It's 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.439 just mirroring back and experience with you of what it 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.000 feels like to feel safe being in your skin and 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.040 being fully who you are, and ideally you go back 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.680 out and and show up that way a little bit 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.040 more in your relationships, in your work, in your craft. 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.000 And I always say to people when they're they're you know, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.919 it's that a little curated space that you know, the 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.119 world is definitely not going to feel like this, you know, 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.760 to you, but ideally you're going to begin to feel 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.719 like this to the world. And and I've since learned that, 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.959 you know, people would think that people that do what 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.480 we do, kind of that personal growth, self development space, 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.880 that it's kind of weird and you go there when 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.000 you need it, But actually I think it's it's more 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.520 culturally sound, connected and appropriate than the world we live in. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.080 So I've since looked at well, I don't think we're 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:57.600 very weird. I think the world is kind of weird. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.600 I would actually agree with that. I would say to 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.160 like a rama, that safety thing. One of the main 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:04.760 things is you don't say your last name and you 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.880 don't say what you do. And that was a piece too, 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:16.239 where you know, it's it's nice. They might maybe recognize you, um, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.400 but again, you you have such a safe place. I mean, 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.240 and something did happen when I was there the last time. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.560 I was eating lunch and I didn't know that this 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.240 person knew me, but he said my name first and 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.640 last name, and one of the supervisors heard it, who 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.080 has was was one of my supervisors from ten plus 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.600 years ago, and she came over to me and but 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.240 in that moment, I was like, I felt like I 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.679 had to put on a face again. I was like, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.920 for three days, I've been just me and people liked 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.160 just me. And then all of a sudden, the guy 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.159 goes Janet Kramer and I was like and like my 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.520 my whole and I was just like, oh god, and 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.400 I felt so exposed because I'm like, we I've been 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.679 like so like and it was just and then Lin 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:58.760 Lindn came over to me and was like, and I 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.880 just started bawling because I just like, now I feel 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.600 like I have to like put on this Jannah Cramer 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.080 face and like and and it was just and the 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.000 person end up having a background yeah, or like He's 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.840 gonna go and tell X, Y and Z that I 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.400