1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay, 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: so I am just really excited about today's show because 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: we have Miles ad Cox coming on the show and 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: he is the co founder of on Site Workshops, which 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: is where I went from my retreat intensive four and 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: a half days, six individual hours a day with a 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: therapist in a room and no phone. We missed you. 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: I missed you, guys. It was very Although it's like 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: a day one captain's log. Dear Janna, this is what 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to share with you today, but I didn't 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: get a chance to letters to camp. But it was 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: an amazing experience. And there's I just I really want 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: him to come on to um talk about that special 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: place that it is and what people can expect to 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: go there, and um, yeah, it's just a it's a 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: it's a beautiful place. And I feel like do I 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: say this? I just I mean, I could go there 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: all the time. It's so great. But I'm excited for Chicago. 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm ready, guys. It's been hard to not be with you. 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: I feel like we need to one every day. Well 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: actually I kind of needed like I didn't need a break. Yeah, 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: and he added detox. I needed a wine. I haven't 23 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: had a much wine in a long time. I drink 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: a lot. It's like sweating on Tuesday. And I was like, 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that. I'm pretty sure that's Gabernet. I 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: think I need to take a deep breath. Oh god, 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: those shows were so much fun. But we are going 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: to add new dates. I think we're we're looking at 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: New York, We're looking at Cali, We're looking at those 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: girls are already they are like all about my ig, 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: like when you come into Michigan, but I might need 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: a Michigan sweatshirt at duh. It's a homecoming Michigan. I 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: wasn't going to do whatever. You are not fine, It's fine, 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: we are. She doesn't want to tell you, so she's 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: more Michigan than people that don't know how. I don't 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: play every time. I learned I was drunk in college. 37 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know that. And I don't 38 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: remember the rule. We'll be drinking wine down, so we'll 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: teach you then and I'll forget again. Okay, speaking of patterns, Miles, 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: I've got let's get him on in. Well, thank you. 41 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I know that you are jet lagged from from the 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: from the wedding in the troup, which, by the way, 43 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of planes right now. Ever, 44 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: feel like everyone gets delayed every like right now, it's 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: like so bad. So I don't know what's going on, 46 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: but definitely you want your patients test to go fly right. 47 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: I've heard that people are saying that if you have 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: like an actual speaking engagement, or if it's like for business, 49 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: that you should book at least two flights, two separate airlines, 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: because that's the chances of one getting canceled. Is so 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: in your favor right now that to have a backup plan, 52 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: that's not a bad idea noted for next time when 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: you're not at Britney Spears's wedding. Um okay, so Miles 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: and I go way back. I met Miles Scott how 55 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: many years ago? Fifteen years ago, even more? Yeah, probably 56 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: even more than that. I believe it was at Vanderbilt 57 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: Children's Hospital. Good memory, thank you. Um yeah, I remember 58 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: meeting you there and then um some Miles in which 59 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: we've already talked about. But he I'll let you go 60 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: into where you started because I'm I would mess it up. 61 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: But just give the background because we're we obviously I 62 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: talked to some about some about on site, and I'm 63 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna ask you some questions around that and 64 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: the other things. But can you just give a brief 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: description of on site because that's kind of the focus 66 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: of what we were talking about earlier in the show. Sure. Yeah, 67 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: on site is something I'm really proud to get an 68 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: opportunity to own and and and run and be part 69 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: of an amazing team. I made a pivot back gosh, 70 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: almost two decades ago. That's aging me. But I was 71 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: in the entertainment space for a brief period working on 72 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: the business side of sports, and kind of hit a 73 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: patch in my own life where I needed some support 74 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: and I got it. Thankfully, the right people came around 75 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: me at the right time, and I just had a 76 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: real lights coming on moment and new I wanted to 77 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: shift gears and be a part of helping people evolve 78 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: and and just become the best versions of whole I 79 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: know they can be in their relationships and with themselves. 80 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: And so that to me took me in the lane 81 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: of psychology, and I did some more training and education 82 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: and got into the space and have been in it 83 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: now for quite some time and operated and run several programs, 84 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: but the one I spend most of my time with 85 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: and the one that I'm probably known for, is on 86 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: site and on side as an emotional wellness retreat offering. 87 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: We offer personal growth retreats, intensive self development work, um, 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, intensive therapy programs. And then I've also got 89 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: some longer term options too, And we've got our main 90 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: campus is just outside Nashville, about forty five minutes on 91 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: a couple hundred acres a beautiful farm. And then we've 92 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: got a second location we just added in San Diego 93 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: County in southern California. So that's the very very quick version. 94 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: But I'll be happy to get granular and tell you 95 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: anything you want to know about it. Well, CHRISTI wants 96 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: to know how we can get her husband there. I 97 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: was like, so, we've got offered my husband and I 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 1: got offered to go do a four day intensive there. 99 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: But then COVID hit and so, and I'll be honest 100 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: at the time when the offer came through, it was like, 101 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: how do I leave my kids and unplugged for four days? 102 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: Because I have like what some might classify as anxious 103 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: attachment whatever when it comes to my children, So I 104 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, okay, and you too. I really 105 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: didn't miss you guys. It's weird and we're together and 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: then not together. But I thought four days is a 107 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: long time, and I just it's so funny because I 108 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: knew that I got the chance to talk to you today, 109 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: and I started thinking about on Site again this morning, 110 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, I actually think four days feels 111 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: like something I would do now because you, you and 112 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: on Site are behind so many successful marriages on the 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: country music side of like my world that I just 114 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: can't imagine. I can't imagine what four days to actually 115 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: just like think would be like at this point in 116 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: my life. No, no, no no, please, please please you. First 117 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: of all, I can I can relate, and I know 118 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: what's behind the curtain. I'm a advocate of the work 119 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: both is uh, you know, someone who delivers it, but 120 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: also somebody who participates in it. I believe in it 121 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: enough that I do at least one tune up a 122 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: year for myself or my my marriage. And but every time, 123 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: even though I know it's going to be beneficial and 124 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: we've that that at four day window is really tried 125 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: and true. Once people had an experience with us. Then 126 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: we can get creative and curate shorter experiences like two 127 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: days or three day or even one day or a 128 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: half day. But for the first time, if you're coming 129 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: in as a couple or as an individual, that we've 130 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: really researched that amount of time and it it, you 131 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: would think it it's gonna be monumentous to be able 132 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: to step away from family obligations and things for four 133 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: full days, but you'd be shocked at how fast it 134 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: goes once you're there. But I want to humanize it 135 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: and say every year I know it's going to be beneficial. 136 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: I even get excited about it now. In some years, 137 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: I've got stuff I really need to unpack, you know, 138 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: I might be in a high stress season, and there's 139 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: other years things are going quite well and I just 140 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: want to do a tune up, just just for prevention sakes. 141 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: But every time I stress and struggle about the time away, 142 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: I think it's just human nature when we're in a 143 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: rhythm and routine and suddenly it's going to be disrupted. 144 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: Especially to do a digital clans like we do at 145 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: our place, that definitely promotes some anxiety so you're not 146 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: alone there and having some trepidation about coming. I will 147 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: say too, there's something that um because I called Miles 148 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: probably was probably two months ago, and I was just 149 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: like I need to come now, like right now, like 150 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm in crisis mode. I can't shut my brain off, 151 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: like I'm not good, and I just you know, we 152 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: we talked through you know what I'm because I've obviously 153 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: had been on set before two times before that, and 154 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: and I remember talking to him too. And then when 155 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: I saw you there because you you came with your 156 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: family and there was um there was for some reason, 157 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: I felt shame around it, going like how am I 158 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: here again? And you definitely made me feel so much 159 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: better when you said that you tune up to and 160 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: things come up and I'm like, okay, so like because 161 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: I almost felt I felt like a failure coming back. 162 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: It's not a place you graduate from, right, That's what 163 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: I loved. When you just said that to you, I 164 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh, tune up like it just made it 165 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: so that makes it sound better versus like oh I 166 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: have to go or yeah, like I thought I thought 167 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: I fixed that twelve years ago when I went that 168 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: one time, and then I thought I fixed it the 169 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: next time, and I'm like, how am I here again? 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: And like that's where it just feels like yeah, I 171 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: don't know if it was like embarrassment or for a 172 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: shame or like what it was. But but then you 173 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: were like no, like there's the tune ups and the 174 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, you learning things and I'm like, okay, like 175 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: that that made me feel so much better. So I 176 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: just I want to thank you for that too, because 177 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: I think it was hard to kind of walk back 178 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: in that space again. That's really good to hear and 179 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: you're not and I'm sure you know, but you're not 180 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: alone there either. It's a I think I thought a 181 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: lot about that, you know why people struggle and feel 182 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: that if you come and invest in time with us 183 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: that you're trying to fix something that's wrong with you, 184 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, kind of counseling gets that 185 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: wrap too, but it's actually not what's wrong with you 186 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: at all. That you invest in becoming a better version 187 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: of yourself no matter what season you're in, that's what's 188 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: right with you. And it's not something I tell people 189 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: all the time. It's not something you need, it's something 190 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: you deserve. It's just humans. We don't look at our 191 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: our mental wellness and our mind and our hearts the 192 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: same way we do as our physical bodies. We know, 193 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: improving our lives physically, it's not a linear process. It's 194 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: not a check the box, start and stop. It's a maintenance. 195 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: The same goes with with the mind, and it's it's 196 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: a That's why I like calling an emotional fitness versus 197 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: just this idea that we start here and stop here 198 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: and skip through the meadow kombay and after we've done 199 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: a little work, It's that's just the start of it. 200 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: It's but the good news is over time, once you've 201 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: got tools and you know the work, it gets a 202 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: little lighter every time you're doing it, even if life 203 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: throws you a pretty big curveball. That's so true on 204 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: the fitness side, because I'm like, are we ever really 205 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: like we might be in our best shape, but then 206 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: you can fall back into certain patterns and it's like, yeah, 207 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: I've never thought of it like those two together. Emotional 208 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: fitness emotional fitness. You need to t m that pretty 209 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: quick because I really like it. I've made the mistakes. 210 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: I started talking about it probably twelve years ago, back 211 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: when nobody cared always talking at the holiday in in 212 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: Phoenix to six people, probably my friends at the time, 213 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: but your way. But as as the speaking has really 214 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: grown over the years outside of the last two years 215 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: in the rooms got bigger and started speaking to large 216 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: groups of people, I realized that was such a good 217 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: frame and I actually wrote a definition for it and 218 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: started working on a book for it, and never trademarked it. 219 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: And and then since then two other books and a 220 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: company came out and I was like, oh, I missed 221 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: that one, but I still use it. You're the O G. 222 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: Miles For everyone that's listening, we know well who knows 223 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm there. I think we're all just spiritual thiefs, but 224 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: at least we still from the best. Somebody probably had 225 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: it before I did. Sure. I think what's so special 226 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: about onset too, and I'd love for you to speak 227 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: to it is the experiential therapy. Because when I explained 228 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: it to someone and I say, okay, um, you know, 229 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: people d roll and in role as like my dad 230 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: or in role as you know, my best friend, or 231 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: they enrolled like for example, when I was there, I 232 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: had I enrolled as queendom, so I got to step 233 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: into like and every time to talk to my friends 234 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: like the correct but like and it's like then I 235 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: had to talk to myself how queendom would talk to me? 236 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: And it's like there's something so special about experiential therapy 237 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: that really just hits it, like right on the head, 238 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: like because it's you know, I've done therapy for so long, 239 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: but there's something about that experiential work to really like 240 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: embody it. And I don't know, I don't know the 241 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: methods were, like the terminology behind it, but like what 242 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: do you think is so why do you think that 243 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: therapy is so impactful versus other types of therapy? Mm? Hm, Well, 244 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: what you're describing experienial therapy is is not It's certainly 245 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: not the only model we do, but it is the 246 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: one we're known for because we've been doing it a 247 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: long time. I'm a big advocate and believer in experiential 248 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: counseling therapy and even experiential education. When you're talking and 249 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: you know what what is it, Well, it's a it's 250 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: kind of an umbrella or a body of therapeutic modalities 251 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: or age techniques that are action oriented versus just talking. 252 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: Because so most of us that have either done counseling 253 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: or we've seen it on tv U. You think about 254 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: it as a verbal exchange between one person and another. 255 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: If you most people see it on me. Do you 256 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: see some my land on a couch and they're telling, 257 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, somebody something, that's that's what we most that's 258 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: what we usually do, and that's well researched. That's kind 259 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: of cognitive behavioral therapy or processing. It's really beneficial and 260 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: it's effective. But for me, I did years of that 261 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: and still felt really stuck until somebody got creative and 262 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: showed me my story versus told me and reflected my 263 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: story back to me. Because if you hear it in 264 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: the context of like, yeah, we do role play and 265 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: use drama on art, that would sound a little weird. 266 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: Out of context, you're like, what, I don't want any 267 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: part of that. But actually, for me, it moves, It 268 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: moves faster, it feels safer, It hits the right part 269 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: of my brain because our rational reasoning part, which is 270 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: this pre final cortext if you think about the brain 271 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: from the top down, is usually offline. When we're in 272 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: strang us and we hold pain and trauma and our 273 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: limbic and we just find experiential tools and therapy to 274 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: access that limbic where we hold a lot of our pain, uh, 275 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: you know, much more efficiently and faster. It's important that 276 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: it's done safely because it's a powerful tool and you 277 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: don't want to come in and and and uh, you know, 278 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: open someone up and without the tools and skill to 279 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: be able to slowly integrate. But it is um and 280 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: if if I were to say something to you, all 281 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: activates a third of your brain like I'm doing now. 282 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: If I were to show it to you, it activates 283 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: two thirds. And if I were to make it kinesthetic 284 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: and put it into action, it activates all of it. 285 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: You know. Uh. If you great trial attorneys UM that 286 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: are trying to convince a jury, uh, you know, to 287 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: to move their direction, They're not going to tell them 288 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: what they want them to hear. They're going to show them. 289 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna bring props into the room because they know 290 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: that if I can make this experience visual in kinesthetic, 291 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm more likely to sway someone's opinion my way. So 292 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: those are just a couple of quick examples, and there's 293 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: a lot of creative ways to do it, but we 294 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: found it to be a really highly effective model to 295 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: move really quickly and do a whole lot. I mean, 296 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: some people hour by hour would compare our one week 297 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: experience at Living Center program to like a year's worth 298 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: of about patient therapy just because the pace it moves. 299 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: Does that? Does that help? Jenna did that a little bit. Yeah, 300 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: it's hard to describe to people that haven't been through 301 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: it because they kind of go, that sounds a little weird. 302 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, but like it's the it's the 303 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: most intense, amazing work that, like you said, I like, 304 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: it's it's years of therapy in four days. I also 305 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: think there's a level of safety that you guys provide 306 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: at on site. Like I've had so many friends go 307 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: and just recently, like one of my friends, Hayley Hubbard, 308 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: just came back and she's been open about her visit there. 309 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: That's why I'm sharing this. But you know, even when 310 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: she was texting me the other day, she was just 311 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: talking about She's like, you know, I went and I 312 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: was going to be with these people and family, um, 313 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: and she goes and then they weren't able to But 314 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: it was just good because I just got to sit 315 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: with myself and I'm like, yeah, but it's it feels 316 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: so welcoming back because you guys have made it so safe. 317 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: I think that then experiential therapy doesn't feel so weird 318 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: or like, you know, I've been in some intensive like 319 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: a two day intensive or a one day intensive with 320 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: a group of country wives that you know, we're all 321 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: processing and it's if I was to describe what we 322 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: did they're together, would sound strange to people. But because 323 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: you're in such a safe environment and you have this 324 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: like code of conduct that you know it's confidential, I 325 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: think knowing the level that you guys hold that piece 326 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: makes people feel safe enough to do what you do 327 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: there and allows them the feeling of like they got 328 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: a year's worth in four days. And it's such an 329 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: investment too, you know, like too, you're investing in yourself, 330 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: which is I know people can be like, oh, well 331 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: it's expensive, and you guys have things to help with that, 332 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah, we kind of diversify or SoC economic 333 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: Really it is expensive and good good really, because I 334 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: curate therapeutic talent to death. I want the best of 335 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: the best around the table and and we go to 336 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: to any means to to get them. And so that 337 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: they can support us with part of their time. I've 338 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: just you know, counseling is like any other profession. There's 339 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: a wide array of talent, and the the education and 340 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: credentials are vital, but that doesn't dictate your skill level 341 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: and your ability to be good at your work. There's 342 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: other factors that go into it and attracting those people. 343 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: And then also I really appreciate what you were sharing 344 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: about the safety piece because I'm obsessed with that. I 345 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: think psychological safety is everything because without it, we don't 346 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: have trust. And you can do great therapy without trust, 347 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: but I don't find it to be very sustainable and 348 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't support great outcomes. So if we lose our 349 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: ability to be who we are and curate in an 350 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: environment where people feel safe to be vulnerable, then we're 351 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: missing the mark right out of the gate. And we 352 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: have an advantage because we have a location where we 353 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: can curate an experience, We can curate the hospitality, we 354 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: can kind of insulate the environment enough where people can 355 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: experience psychological safety. And that's my favorite thing of everything. 356 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: We do. Take all the tools, the techniques, the change 357 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: and we're not there to do anything to you. It's 358 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: just mirroring back and experience with you of what it 359 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: feels like to feel safe being in your skin and 360 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: being fully who you are, and ideally you go back 361 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: out and and show up that way a little bit 362 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: more in your relationships, in your work, in your craft. 363 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: And I always say to people when they're they're you know, 364 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: it's that a little curated space that you know, the 365 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: world is definitely not going to feel like this, you know, 366 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: to you, but ideally you're going to begin to feel 367 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: like this to the world. And and I've since learned that, 368 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: you know, people would think that people that do what 369 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: we do, kind of that personal growth, self development space, 370 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: that it's kind of weird and you go there when 371 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: you need it, But actually I think it's it's more 372 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: culturally sound, connected and appropriate than the world we live in. 373 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: So I've since looked at well, I don't think we're 374 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: very weird. I think the world is kind of weird. 375 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: I would actually agree with that. I would say to 376 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: like a rama, that safety thing. One of the main 377 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: things is you don't say your last name and you 378 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: don't say what you do. And that was a piece too, 379 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 1: where you know, it's it's nice. They might maybe recognize you, um, 380 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: but again, you you have such a safe place. I mean, 381 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: and something did happen when I was there the last time. 382 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: I was eating lunch and I didn't know that this 383 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: person knew me, but he said my name first and 384 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: last name, and one of the supervisors heard it, who 385 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: has was was one of my supervisors from ten plus 386 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: years ago, and she came over to me and but 387 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: in that moment, I was like, I felt like I 388 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: had to put on a face again. I was like, 389 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: for three days, I've been just me and people liked 390 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: just me. And then all of a sudden, the guy 391 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: goes Janet Kramer and I was like and like my 392 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: my whole and I was just like, oh god, and 393 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: I felt so exposed because I'm like, we I've been 394 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: like so like and it was just and then Lin 395 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Lindn came over to me and was like, and I 396 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: just started bawling because I just like, now I feel 397 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: like I have to like put on this Jannah Cramer 398 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: face and like and and it was just and the 399 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: person end up having a background yeah, or like He's 400 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: gonna go and tell X, Y and Z that I 401 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: just did this thing in front of the group because 402 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: you become like this like almost like this CULTI family 403 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: where you just like you love on everybody and it 404 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: just becomes so such a beautiful and you you're you know, 405 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: lifting people up and encouraging them and and then it's like, God, 406 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: is he going to go back and say that I 407 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: was like bawling about this or you know, the person 408 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: and you guys ended up making the person leave because 409 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: there was a few other things that happened, but like, 410 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: and I appreciated that, like the keeping that protection because 411 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: it is so important to people at on site, so well, 412 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: for a minute, it took your safety away, like you 413 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: didn't feel safe. Well, then I felt like I had 414 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: to go do what I always do, put a smile 415 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: on and put a face on and then put my 416 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: act on, and like that was not what I wanted 417 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: to do. Um, go ahead, I just say I appreciate 418 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: you speaking into that. It's you know, we work a 419 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: lot with creatives and it's particularly the community that I 420 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: know some of you work in music, film, television, sports. 421 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of it's a it's a division that we 422 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: just doubled down on because we just brought Debbie Carroll 423 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: over to launch a new division. Around it, which if 424 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: you don't know her, you should get to know where. 425 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: She ran the music Cares for the last twenty four 426 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: years and just a pioneer at the intersection of mental 427 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: health and music. I'm so excited to have her on board. 428 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: And she's been a friend in a colleague forever. But 429 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: we're getting ready to do more in that space. But 430 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: you bring up an important port which is important point, 431 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: which is, uh, there's that uh jetlag brain, which is 432 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: it's it's one of the hardest things that we do 433 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: is separate ourselves from this identity that we create and 434 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: we lose. In other words, Uh, there's a lot of 435 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: great human doings that come to our programming. They do 436 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: great things, and we try to say, okay, well we 437 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: get that, we want you to be a human being 438 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: for a week and and I struggle with a too. 439 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: We all do because we I think in the first 440 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: uh thirty seconds of every new conversation we have with 441 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: a new person, nine of the time we will ask 442 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: what the other person does. So we quickly sized people 443 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: up based on what they do. So that was important 444 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: to us to say, let's just remove that. Let's equal 445 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: the plan field and now for people who don't have 446 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: a public profession, it's amazing. And even those that do 447 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: that don't have incidents like yours, it's amazing that they 448 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: just get to be a human for a week and 449 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: not known by what they do, but better known by 450 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: who they are. But in regards to people who do 451 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: things publicly, it is a challenge because we do what 452 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: we do and we hold a very strict guideline and 453 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: so I'm glad you brought that put point up. We 454 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: let people know right up front that it doesn't matter 455 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: what someone does when they're here. If you recognize them, 456 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: why what they do, then we ask you not to 457 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: engage them with that, and if you do, we would 458 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: see that as a guideline violation because again it creates 459 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: a safety issue. But we also know that humans are 460 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: humans and we can say that we can do that 461 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: and sometimes people are gonna approach anyway. It's pretty rare. 462 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen a lot, but when it does, we 463 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: try to take action pretty quick. But the good news 464 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: about on site is we've really been pushing against the 465 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: stigma for a long time, especially against the entertainment community. 466 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: And thankfully, and I credit honestly um folks like you know, you, 467 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: Jenna and others who have been outspoken vulnerable advocates for 468 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: doing your own work, and you've said on site it's 469 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: a good place to do it, because now it's become 470 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a hip, trendy, cool thing 471 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: to do. It's not like, oh my gosh, I gotta 472 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: go to onsite. It's like when do I get to 473 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: go to on site in the music community, which has 474 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: been a real advantage because it creates a safety where 475 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: people come and they're not really worried about being there. 476 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: They just want to know that what they do there 477 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: stay safe and contained, and we've got a lot of 478 00:23:50,440 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: measures in place to make sure that's the case. And 479 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: I will say to the investment in yourself is just everything. 480 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: And I told I wish I could gift it to 481 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: every single person that I know. And I came back 482 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: and obviously, you know, Catherine, you're going through what you're 483 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: going through, and I said to you, I was like, 484 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: just tell me when you want to go, because I want, like, 485 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 1: I want all of you guys to experience that. And 486 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: I think you said you wanted to talk to Miles 487 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: about that kind of hesitation right of of stepping into it. Yeah, 488 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean I'm kind of, you know, in the scheme 489 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: of things, kind of new word of therapy, you know. 490 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean I obviously just started with my newest therapist. Gosh, 491 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, six eight months something like that. But 492 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: I've been in therapy before. But I am more the hesitant, 493 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, therapy seeker if you will. You wouldn't classify 494 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: her as right out of the game. I love to 495 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: be very vulnerable at love to talk about a lot 496 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: um but I believe it or not UM, but I'm 497 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: actually going through a divorce. But when we were in 498 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: UM couples therapy the first time, it was it was 499 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: kind of that like and I put this on myself 500 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: to kind of like, let's go to therapy to fix 501 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: you kind of think, and you mean your partner, fix 502 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: your partner, fix you partner. I have the obvious you know, 503 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: family history that was just obviously affecting me in ways, 504 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: and so it was kind of like, let's go to 505 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: therapy to fix Catherine kind of thing. And then I think, 506 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: as you know, we went through it's like everybody has 507 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: their stuff, you know, and then we ended up not 508 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: being happy with our therapist and we were kind of 509 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: in and out. But anyways, I am hesitant all that 510 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: to say, Um, if I'm completely honest, the thought of 511 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: a week of therapy, like being like a year of 512 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: therapy is terrifying to me. I mean, just to be 513 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: completely honest, like for someone that doesn't love to be vulnerable, 514 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: doing it for that long is so overwhelming to even 515 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: think about. And I love hearing you all talk about 516 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: it because I think it seems amazing and I think 517 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: it's something that I would love to want to do. 518 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: I just am not necessarily there, but I think it 519 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: sounds amazing. I'm not saying, you know, I'm sure it's great. 520 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: It's just make sure that someone like me make sure 521 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: that the view is great. You get to eat with 522 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: both hands for four days, okay, let me get to 523 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: you and the sonic You get to sleep sonic eye, 524 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: Sonic eye. You do get to sleep like you get 525 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: to sleep it or you get it early. I don't know, 526 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: it's like eight o'clock. If you want to do the meditation, 527 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: you can. You can keep a pretty pretty good, pretty 528 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: aggressive schedule. However, it is because I want, we want 529 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: to give you everything we got while you're there. However, 530 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: people do report that after the first of the worth 531 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: that they sleep better than they haven't a really, and 532 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: we get way too much credit because they're like, what 533 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: kind of mattresses and sheets do you have? It's no, 534 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: it is the best. I'm telling you. That room that 535 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: y'all put me in, Oh my gosh, I was like, 536 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: I'm not getting like I wanted to know exactly what 537 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: the sheets were too. Is so comfortable? Well they are? 538 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: They are nice. I do care about the details, and 539 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: I love hospitalities. I love caring a good experience, but 540 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: they're not like what you would expect, like high, high 541 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: thread count all that. I think it's more the context 542 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: the work that you do. But you speaking to that hesitation, it's, um, 543 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: I'm not uh knowing that you're somebody that is intrigued 544 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: or would consider doing something with us at some point. 545 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: Obviously I get excited about that because I'm such a 546 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: believer in what we do. But um, I'm not um 547 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: dissuade at all by hesitation. I think it's a totally 548 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: appropriate response, especially in this context when you hear to adopt, 549 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, to people that are early adopters. In other words, 550 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: we've we've both been clearly I worked there, but we've 551 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: both been talking about it so enthusiastically and it's like, well, 552 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what is this And even hearing about 553 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: the fire hose kind of experience, like, that's a lot 554 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: that's that's totally normal. And I would say more than 555 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: six of the people that come feel that way. They 556 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: have a lot of hesitation and a little bit of anks. 557 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: And I always encouraged by that because that's a great 558 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: place for us to start if you didn't have any Now, 559 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: there are instances in certain examples, like with what Jane 560 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: I was talking about, where Okay, I've done this enough 561 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: that I know where I'm coming. I feel relief to 562 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: be there to get out of a stressful environment. That 563 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: happens some too, but more than not, you're definitely in 564 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: the majority where it's like, oh, I'm not so sure. 565 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: One thing that would help, and we probably couldn't do 566 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: it in a in a podcast, but to get on 567 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: a call with me or or one of our one 568 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: of our folks and just have a conversation that we 569 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: can learn more about the hesitation. And I bet when 570 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: we walk you through with more time that it could 571 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: help give you more information to ensure that it's going 572 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: to be a a time time well spending. It may 573 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: not be. It's it may not be for everybody, it 574 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: may not be right now. There should never be any 575 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: pressure with it. But it's a cool experience and therapy 576 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: is a part of it, but it's also it's a 577 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: beautiful retreat space. And I put as much emphasis on 578 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: the hospitality and as I do the therapy, and so 579 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: like they said, if anything, if you need a mom retreat, 580 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: it could be a good place to go to. Yeah, 581 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: and I would say cats too, like I think, And 582 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: I could be totally wrong, you could be totally you know, fine, whatever, 583 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: But there's just something in me where I just feel 584 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: like because I've received the gift of what on site 585 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: has given me in that kind of because in the 586 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: beginning and the very beginning, the first day, you it's 587 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: like this, You're all in a room together and everyone's 588 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: kind of looking around, everyone like, oh God, what the 589 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: hell do we signed you know, sign up for? And 590 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: then you go to one side of the room people 591 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: that are excited to be there, that are and then 592 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: there's the people that are like what did I do? 593 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: There's not many people to the far right and I 594 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: was the last one. I was all the way like why, 595 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: like what did I do? Because it's like is it 596 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: gonna work? Is it? You know? Am I going to 597 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: leave here? And they just the whole thing is trust 598 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: the process, and I just think for you and this 599 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: is just me and you can call me out and 600 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: say absolutely not, but like there's a piece that I 601 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: think you're blocking, and I just want to see that 602 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: wall go down. Oh sure, because I think when you 603 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: get that, and that's what I think you would get 604 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: it on site, you will have this break this amazing 605 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: breakdown and breakthrough. Yeah, And I agree with you and 606 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: be part of the hesitation. Well, and that's what I'm saying. 607 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: That's like because I'm like, I'm almost like feel you 608 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: like the wall like coming up, and I'm like, you 609 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: need to have the breakdown to get through the breakthrough. Yeah. Yeah, No, 610 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: I agree with you. The law firm and we break 611 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: down every other day. Another another that was well said Jenna, 612 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: But I think another thing to consider too, when Jenna 613 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: actually referenced it when she was talking a moment ago, 614 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: how it can feel so connected and tied and curated 615 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: that you even you joke, but I think you mentioned 616 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: like cultures type feel I mean very I'm very leary 617 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: of that type stuff. If I hear like this real 618 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, everybody's talking about this thing that we have 619 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: to do, then I honestly I had this little part 620 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: of it, doesn't trust it. I'm like, wait a minute, 621 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: what's going on? Is this tooke a bit in? And 622 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: I want you to hear that. Um, I I have 623 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: seen that happen a lot in in spiritual and emotional 624 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: growth offerings. I mean, you've seen some of the documentaries 625 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: that are super creepy right now about how people, uh, 626 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: even low key, creating dependence on what they do. And 627 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: we make a huge effort not to do that. That's 628 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: not our model. We we don't. We don't believe that 629 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: we have answers for you that you don't already have. 630 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: We never want to create a dependence on our model 631 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: or on us. We're fine for people to appreciate what 632 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: we do, but believe, we believe people have within them 633 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: what they need to change. We just are good partners 634 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: to guide you through the process and then to let 635 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: you go about your way, not to you know, come back. Um. 636 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: All the time, there are people like me who choose 637 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: to come back once a year, but that's more for me. 638 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: It's not because of what I receive in our programming. 639 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: So that could be part of it too. If you've 640 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: ever been overpromised and under delivered by something that was 641 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: really shiny, then there's probably a smart party that's sitting 642 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: back being like, I'm not so sure. I don't know 643 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: if that's the case for you or not, but I 644 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: want to say that, Yeah, it's good to know for sure. 645 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: Where are you kind of at with it? Are we 646 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: a little emotional? No? I keep thinking you're crying every day. No, 647 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: I just like I just I care. I just care 648 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: so deeply for both of all my friends. And I'm like, 649 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: I haven't called my brother. I was like, I know, 650 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: we know our childhood stuff, but like you got to 651 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: like go through this, Like, yeah, I think for me personally, 652 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: I would like to kind of get through the divorce 653 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, obviously that will come out 654 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: and that will whatever, and kind of just when I'm 655 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: ready to fully focus on myself and my past traumas, 656 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: I think is when I will feel ready to do it. 657 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: If that makes sense. I think it could be a 658 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: good space both. No, but I will say this though 659 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't ready when I got divorced last year. I 660 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: wasn't ready. I wanted to go have fun and ignore him, 661 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: like I've been doing therapy for so many years, like 662 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm fine, everything's amazing, And it catched me to Bikini 663 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: and Miami, you know what I mean. Like I was like, 664 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: in my mind knows like I've done so much therapy, 665 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't need to do this. And then I realized, 666 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: oh god, I'm just repeating same patterns. And now I now, 667 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: now a year later, and that's what I said. I'm like, 668 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: instead of going to Miami, I went to I went 669 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: to heal myself. And I definitely don't want to repeat 670 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: the same patterns. So if i'm which I'm so far 671 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: from it. But if I am thinking about dating, or 672 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: if I am, it is very important to me to 673 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 1: do work to not repeat same patterns. I will say that. 674 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: So I do think maybe when my mind shifts a 675 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: little bit that way, maybe I'll be more you know, 676 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: going that way, And I don't. I don't know your 677 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: your circumstances at all, and I know now wouldn't be 678 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: the time to unpack that um but I but I 679 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: empathize because I know I've walked with a lot of 680 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: people gone through some transitions myself. A big transitions, especially 681 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: once like what you're describing, can be really hard on 682 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: our nervous system, no matter the circumstances, whether it's a 683 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: choice or not a choice, they can be super stressful. 684 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: And give yourself a ton of grace on how you're 685 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: navigating it. Um, there will be time I encourage I 686 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: um affirmed Janna, because I can tell you are close 687 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: in in kind of the nudge she's like, and and 688 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: I I think you're You're probably more likely to engage, um, 689 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, feeling invited like she's doing, Like, Hey, it's 690 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to push you somewhere, but I also 691 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: want to really encourage it. But if you wanted to, 692 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: I just encourage you to be well resourced in a 693 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: big transition. Transitions are good times to come and do 694 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: our experience, I will say that, but there are other 695 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: resources that I just think you need a good a 696 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: good net underneath you that when you navigate these next 697 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: early stages in and on end that you've got a plan, 698 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: and whether it's us or not, I'd be glad to 699 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: help you know resource you and recommend some good things 700 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: in the meantime until you feel like we might be 701 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: a fit, or if you ever felt like we might 702 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: be a fit. Okay, this conversation is definitely one of 703 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: my favorite conversations because of how special this place is, 704 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: and I really want a part two of this, So 705 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: Miles um, we're going to part to this and join 706 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: us next week to hear the second half of us.