1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Noel 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: is off on an adventure that we can't disclose yet, 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: but soon they called me Ben. We are joined with 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: our super producer, Paul Decant Paul Wilson Decade. Maybe is 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: that appropriate for this episode? Matt, you mean you're talking 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: about the soccer ball? Yes? Most importantly, you are you 10 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: and you are here, and that makes this stuff they 11 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Today, we are diving into 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: something that Matt, you and I explore during our video series. Yes, 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: and it's I think our fifth most popular video that 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: we ever made. Really, Yes, almost a million dollar views 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: at this point. All these smokes still not going to 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 1: beat that. Uh what about Satan? Yeah, Satan will always 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: be at the top. And I'm kind of I feel 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: very fortunate for both of us that not that many 19 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: people watched the instructions on How to Get Away with Murder? Yes, 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: less than fifty I want to say great, but that's 21 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: still a lot of people. That's a lot of people, 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: and we do. We we do tell people not to 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: commit murder, right, we do. At some point in that one, 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: we can take it down. Do you want me to 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: take it down? I know, you know. I I feel 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: like we did a good job, is the thing? Okay, 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: a moral notions aside. It does feel like we did 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: a good job. But yes, we did a video on 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: North Sentinel Island several years ago, more years than I think. Well, 30 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: you probably don Matt. When do we do that one? 31 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: I believe it has been a minute since I looked 32 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: at it. It's been a while. Uh So North Sentinel 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: Island has a mystery to it, and if you have 34 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: seen our earlier video, you might have an inkling about 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: what we're going to dive into today. But to get 36 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: to this mystery, we have to first explore human beings. 37 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Oh that sounds good. Yeah, that's great. Human beings are 38 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: a species that loves to talk about itself. That's us, 39 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: and that's us, that's you, that's you doo uh and yes, 40 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: specifically you. So human beings. Our species exist to some 41 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: degree on every continent, which is insane when you think 42 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: about it. Our tremendous ability to adapt to inhospitable environments 43 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: has spread us across the planet, and the modern age, 44 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: technological breaks allow us to communicate instantaneously regardless of our 45 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: physical location. I mean, just just think of all the 46 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: podcasts that have Like you and I prefer to hang 47 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: out in person in the room, but there are many 48 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: very successful, very fascinating podcast with hosts that rarely see 49 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: each other in person, much like stuff you missed in 50 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: history class. Yeah, that's that's actually I'm surprised I didn't 51 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: think about that. Yeah, one of our host is based 52 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: in Atlanta on that show, and the other in Boston, 53 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: and they can communicate pretty much instantaneous. Sounds like they're 54 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: having a conversation in the room. And one more thing 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: I just want to add here we're talking about the 56 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: humans us living on all these continents, we also live 57 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: on islands that aren't considered a continent all over the planet. 58 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, and even in those spaces people 59 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: can communicate thanks to technology. Modernity, it seems, is contagious. 60 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: But here's the fascinating and somewhat disturbing thing. As we've 61 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: spread farther and farther, some groups of humans also became 62 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: isolated those geographical boundaries bedeviled us, impassable mountains, shifting ice, 63 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: dense dangerous jungles, rising seas, and treacherous currents to your 64 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: point about islands, right, all all played a role in 65 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: keeping some groups of human beings hidden from the progress 66 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: and the curses of global society. And you know, we've all, 67 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: like you've heard these stories, right we even without thinking 68 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: of a specific one. We've all heard the stories wherein 69 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: some intrepid explorer encounters a tribe of people who had 70 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: no knowledge of the outside world. Right. I remember thinking 71 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: that these were relatively I don't know, fictionalized things growing up, 72 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: like fair not I don't want to say fairy tales, 73 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 1: but fictional adventure stories. Yes. There, They're depicted in film 74 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: and in um books all over the place, various fictional 75 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: ones and nonfictional encounters of this sort. And the I 76 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: think that line gets blurred a little bit in our 77 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: in our popular culture of what what a real encounter 78 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: looks like, in what a u a played up one 79 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: looks like for the screen. Right, That's a very important 80 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: point in the modern age. It seems like these events 81 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: and encounters, whether they were truthful, whether they were fiction, 82 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: or whether they were a blend of the two, usually 83 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: to make someone from the West feel more important about 84 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: themselves or less like they were colonizers or less like 85 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: they were colonizers. That's true regardless. Nowadays, it seems like 86 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: most of these events are encounters are going to be 87 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: relegated to history books. In short, everyone has met everyone 88 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: or is aware of everyone, right, we all get it. 89 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: Everyone is at least aware enough that there's an outside world. 90 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: Like a tribe, most most tribes of isolated people are 91 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: aware that there's an outside world with some technology in it. Right. 92 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: And it is sadly true that there are many countries 93 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: that people in other countries aren't very much aware of, 94 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: you know, like you've seen, especially European media gives people 95 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: in the US a real devil of a time with this. 96 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: And you can see numerous YouTube compilations of Americans being 97 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: asked to point to a country on the map on 98 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: the world map and getting it cartoonishly wrong. That's a 99 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: little bit of a stereotype. Well, I promised, people are 100 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: I promised the editors are cherry picking that for all 101 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: our non American listeners. We certainly hope, so we certainly 102 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: hope so. And regardless of how hilarious those videos might be. 103 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: Matt your point, I would say, absolutely correct. We are 104 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: aware of the other We are aware that it exists. 105 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: There will be a you know, the majority of people 106 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: who live in China will probably never travel to the States, 107 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: and the majority of people who live in the States 108 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: will probably never travel to China. But both are aware 109 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: that the other country exists and is a real thing. 110 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: Thank you television and Internet. Thank you television and to 111 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: add books. Yes, uh, in a world though, where everything 112 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: is rapidly urbanizing, right, I think it was what while 113 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: you and I were first working together, the shift occurred 114 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: and the majority of human beings began to live in cities. Yes, 115 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: we've been working together for a long time, and it 116 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: sounds like around that's when we we went past market. Yeah, 117 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: by of the world's population lived in an urban area, 118 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: and that shift is pretty crazy, right, pretty recent too. Yeah, 119 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely um a condensing of humanity into these 120 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: places that, for better or for worse, do really well 121 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,559 Speaker 1: for various economies and for populations, but not so great 122 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: in a lot of other ways. You know, pollution, crime, 123 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: you know a lot of those things right, right exactly, 124 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: And in this in this world where there are increasingly 125 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: fewer isolated populations and a larger number of densely let's say, 126 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: densely combined populations, we can understand why people would think 127 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: there there are no more uncontacted tribes. There are. Many 128 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: people say that's a myth because so many anthropologists of 129 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: the past and days of yore wanted to be the 130 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: first outsider to encounter some group. That probably that has happened, right, 131 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: But a a hard definition of an uncontacted tribe, as 132 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: in someone who's some group that has never seen nor, 133 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: as they say in Tennessee, heard tell of any other group. 134 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: The odds of that still existing are are preposterously low, right, yeah. 135 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that has to do 136 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: with something as simple as Google Maps, where you can 137 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: you can open it up and you can see every island. 138 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: Because we have the satellite imagery, we know that that 139 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: island exists there, but wherever it is as isolated as 140 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: it is, that island exists here in this program. So 141 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: obviously somebody's been there, right, that's the assumption at least, 142 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: or you could go there. So why why wouldn't have 143 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: someone gone there already, right, and then there's that related point. 144 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: Maybe there are any uncontacted tribes, but maybe the human 145 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: experiment has grown so large that there aren't even any 146 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: really isolated tribes anymore. Yeah, right, that's the assumption. That's 147 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: a safe assumption. But the problem is that could not 148 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: be further from the truth. Today's episode concerns a particular 149 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: community that you may not have heard of on a 150 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: tiny island off the coast of India, one that is 151 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: lost to time again. It's called North Sentinel Island. It's 152 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: relatively tiny. It's just seventy two square kilometers that's square 153 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: miles um. And it's well that's before the two four earthquake. 154 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: Because the the landmass changed slightly, they're expanded and it's 155 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: a part of the Andaman Archipelago. This is a grouping 156 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: of the Endeman and Nicobar Islands. It's located at the 157 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: crux of the Bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea. Now, 158 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: just we're gonna give you some degrees here so you 159 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: can find it on your globe if you've got one handy. 160 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: There between six degrees and fourteen degrees north latitude and 161 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: ninety two degrees and ninety four degrees east longitude. Now 162 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: that's four hundred kilometers from mainland India on one side, 163 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: that's like a hundred and seventy miles, and then a 164 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: thousand kilometers from Thailand, and that is about six hundred 165 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: and twenty one miles, so it's kind of in the 166 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: center of those. Basically, if you zoom out far enough 167 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: on Google on Google Maps, and you draw a line 168 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: between the center of in this case, I'm using Sri 169 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: Lanka because it's like the island at the bottom of 170 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: India there and to the center of Thailand, this will 171 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: be located pretty close to the center of that line. 172 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: Just if you're looking at Google Maps or something, and 173 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: it's in these these two sets of islands, the Andaman 174 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: and the Nicobar Islands. It's it's some of the most 175 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: remote spots on the entire planet. Yes, some of the 176 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: islands around this area are referred to in one of 177 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: my absolute favorite books in the world, The Atlas of 178 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: Remote Islands. I highly recommend you check it out if 179 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: you are interested in exploration and remote locations. It's a 180 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: great book. But enough about that book. Uh, the islands 181 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: just on their own there are what nearly six hundred 182 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: and only nine are open to foreign tourists, very very 183 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: rural locations in in addition to being very remote. But 184 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: but they are open to tourism. Those nine, those that 185 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: those come into play in the rest of our story. Yeah, 186 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: they're very much open to tourism. Uh, locals be damned honestly, 187 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: And you might say, well, who owns this guys, I'm 188 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at pointing to countries on the map. 189 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: And I've never heard of a country called the Andaman 190 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: and Nicobar Islands. No worries trick question. There is no country. 191 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: It is a territory of India and it is controlled 192 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: by India's generally speakings composed these two islands. And think 193 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: about it in terms of latitude, So any of the 194 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: islands located north of ten degrees latitude are known as 195 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: Andaman Islands, while islands located south of that latitude are 196 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: called Nicobar Islands. Enough, that's pretty easy. Nominally, these territories 197 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: and the island we're talking about today, North Sentinel Island, 198 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: belong in the south and a man administrative district which 199 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: is again part of this Indian territory. The nearby South 200 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: Sentinel Island is uninhabited. It occasionally receives visitors, mostly adventurous 201 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: divers who were like, Yeahlberg, let's go somewhere where no 202 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: one les, like Overbend. I'm sure they don't sound like that, 203 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: and I'm sure they sound exactly well, people who people 204 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: who want to adventure. No one lives there. And here's 205 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: the thing. Though the Government of India legally possesses both 206 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: North and South Centinel Island and again all of the 207 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: and amens all of the Nicobar Islands. They do not 208 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: have any installations, no government, no scheduled route of transportation 209 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: to visit the area. People can visit South Centinel Island 210 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: and often probably sneak there just to dive for a 211 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: day or something like going without a lifeguard basically right, 212 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: But all the ships in the nearby area and all 213 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: the plains are banned from approaching North Sentinel Island through 214 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: the use of a three mile exclusion zone. Because you see, 215 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: unlike South Centinel Island, North Sentinel Island is inhabited. But 216 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: by who, you might ask, Well, we'll tell you right 217 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: after a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where it 218 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: gets crazy. The answer to your question, Matt, they posed 219 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: before the break is we don't really know the residents 220 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: of North Centinel Island. The Centinel Ees are one of 221 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: the most mysterious populations on the planet, and there aren't 222 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: many of them. Estimates range from as few as fifty 223 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: people to maybe as many as four hundred. The last 224 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: census that the Indian government conducted that touched upon that 225 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: area only found fifteen people I think three women and 226 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: twelve men. But yeah, that that's something we're gonna see 227 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: here as we get into the story of the people 228 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: that you find when you're searching for people on North 229 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: Centinel Island generally aren't the all of the people that 230 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: are on the island, right because you see when they 231 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: conducted that most recent census, the way they conducted it 232 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: was by taking a boat, by getting special permission to 233 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: go inside the inclusion the exclusion zone, and then trying 234 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: to get close enough to see if there was anyone 235 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: on the shore, and then immediately high tailing it doubt 236 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: post haste. And there's a reason for that. They are 237 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: violently opposed to outside contact of any kind. This behavior 238 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: has been universally consistent for thousands of years they've resided 239 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: on this island. This population living in much the same 240 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: manner as their ancestors from millennia, and from what we 241 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: can guess, the Sentinel East people practice traditional hunting and 242 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: gathering with no I mean, I think it's a leap 243 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: to say no knowledge of agriculture but no practice of it. Yeah, 244 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: there there's no evidence of agriculture that's been seen in 245 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: a few times that people have actually gotten close enough 246 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: to check it out. Um. Their diet consists of mostly fruits, plants, 247 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: stuff that's found on the island, coconuts, forest plants. Uh, 248 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: sometimes they will. They've been known to eat sea turtles, fish, 249 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: some small birds, and wild honey. And some researchers compare 250 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: the Sentinels to the Gay tribe, which is another tribe 251 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: that's on the Enemonese Islands, that they're indigenous peoples to 252 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: one of the other islands. And we should just say 253 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: here that the Sentinel Leaves that name is a name 254 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: given to them. If you were ever to speak with 255 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: one and could speak with someone of you know, the 256 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: North Sentinel Island, they would not call themselves that right 257 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: exactly this, This culture has several barriers to communication, yes, 258 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: and we'll get to these, but they are an excellent 259 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: example of the one of the closest analogs that we 260 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: have to this population, at least we being the part 261 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: of the species that doesn't live on this island, we 262 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: who are forced to guess. So, like the Sentinels, they 263 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: were a hundred gatherers living out an ancient tradition, ancient 264 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: set of subsistence practices right that date back, by the 265 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: way to some of the earliest human civilization practices that 266 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: we know of today. So these are doing these people 267 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: are doing some of the first things that people did. 268 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: Still well, the Sentinel Ease, we suspect yes, yes, because 269 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: unlike the Sentinel Ease, the young gay were somewhat assimilated 270 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: to their detriment. In nineteen o one, the population was 271 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: registered at six hundred and seventy two. After colonization, there 272 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: were fewer than a hundred left. Ultimately, like the number 273 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: kept going down in the fifties, it was only a 274 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty or so, and this was due to 275 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: the brutal acts of the Calling Nightser's also unanticipated factors 276 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: like exposure to non native diseases, which is one of 277 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: the biggest problems right right, right, It's one of the 278 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: problems with When Europeans came to the North and South 279 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: American continents, the same things occurred for them. It wasn't 280 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: a problem, it was a right. Yeah, well, I'm saying 281 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: for the native populations at the time it was it 282 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: was a horrific thing. And there's something else here that 283 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: on a personal level mystifies and disturbs me. And it 284 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: does it. It disturbs me because I can't explain why 285 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: it's happening, and I don't understand, and I don't think 286 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: that there's any technology that people would have had to 287 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: do this on purpose. There's something deeper at play. Well, anyway, 288 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm too much preface here. Here's what's happening today. The 289 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: younger is still around, but a major cause of the 290 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: decline in population is both the changes in food habits 291 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: brought about by contact with the outside world. But here's 292 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: the scary thing. Nowadays they're one of the least fertile 293 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: and most sterile communities on the planet. About of married 294 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: couples or sterile on Gay women rarely become pregnant before 295 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: the age of infant, and child mortality is in the 296 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: range of Now we could explain, we we could explain 297 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: infinite and child mortality due to you know, quality of 298 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: life right for the family, for the mother, for the kid, 299 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: so on. But the idea that an entire population without 300 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, some clear environmental cause just starts to dwindle 301 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, I don't like that at all. It's frightening. 302 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: It's it's not it's not something that I can explain. 303 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: I would welcome anybody to write to us and let 304 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: us know. You know, is there some epigenetic factor at play. 305 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: Did the community decide not to have children, or is 306 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: there some kind of outside force that's acting on them 307 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: in some way, celical exposure of some sort that they're 308 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: unaware of, like forced sterilization, which many governments have done, 309 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: which would yeah, which would be explicable at least that's 310 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: a mundane cause. That's less scary than some sort of 311 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: switch turning, you know what I mean. So also, the 312 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: on Game have been victims of sexual exploitation and alcoholism, 313 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: forced labor, all the all the terrible and expected things 314 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: that happen often to these tribes. So there may be 315 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: a lesson for us to learn with the Sentinel ease. 316 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: Through the perspective of the On Game, observers have compared 317 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: the Sentinelies community to communities that existed in the Stone Age. 318 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: They make weapons, they make tools. Uh, they're pretty badass 319 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: with bows and arrows. It's like three something feet they 320 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: can get you with an arrow. Yeah, yeah, four hundred 321 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: I think. Uh. They do not appear to make fire, 322 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: at least again from what we can observe. And their 323 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: language is unclassified, meaning it's unintelligible even to tribal communities 324 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: from close by islands. Like they brought an on gay 325 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: person there to attempt to speak with them, but they 326 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: either couldn't get close enough to understand the shouting because 327 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: of all the arrows, or they simply have been the 328 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: Sentinelies simply have been isolated for so long again for 329 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: thousands of years, and their language has become its own 330 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: un intelligible thing. Yeah, that's that. That is incredible because 331 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: that certainly doesn't happen. That's one of the least uh 332 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: regularly occurring things to have in a language that is 333 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: so isolated. That's incredible. Now. Prior to to the European encroachment, 334 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: well that's what we're gonna call it. There, Um, there 335 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: were ancient traditions by the tribes people who lived around 336 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: North Centinel Island that the people on North Centinel Island 337 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: were cannibals, the only gay they They apparently were aware 338 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: of North Centinel Islands for some time, but the first 339 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: European report didn't actually occur until seventeen seventy one, which 340 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: isn't that long ago, just before the United States became 341 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: a thing. That's true, Matt, I didn't think of it 342 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: in that perspective. Yeah. This British surveyor named John Ritchie 343 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: passed the island on a ship called the Diligent. Uh. 344 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: The Diligent was a hydrographic survey vessel owned by the 345 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: East India Company. Paul, can we get a spooky sound 346 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: effect when we say East India Company? Just booze? Just 347 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: put put some booze in there, perfect, that's appropriate. Yeah. 348 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: So Richie made one note where he essentially said he 349 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: saw a multitude of lights. We don't know if this 350 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: means fires, but he saw it from a distance. He 351 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: made a short note about it. The boat continued on 352 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: and no one in the West would make any sort 353 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: of reference to this island for another hundred years. It's 354 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: just the one guy was like, oh whoa look at 355 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: that that's a that's not water, that's definitely an island. 356 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: So we fast forward to March eighteen sixty seven. That's 357 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: when Jeremiah Humphrey, he's the officer in charge of the 358 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: and Amonese, he journeyed to North s Little Island on 359 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: the trail of some convicts who escaped from this penal 360 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: colony that was there called Port Blair. And Okay, so 361 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: he he's approaching the island, he's escorted by police and 362 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: what they're called Great and Amnese, and these are tribespeople 363 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: from like again, kind of like what we were discussing before, 364 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: a different tribe, but I guess similar enough to where 365 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: perhaps there could be communication. He saw some ten men 366 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: on the beach, naked, long haired, with bows and arrows, 367 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: shooting fish and apparently the sentineliest spot of the boat, 368 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: and they hid, and the Great and Amnees on board 369 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: were visibly frightened and warned Mphrey, the leader here, that 370 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: the islanders had a reputation for cannibalism, and Humphrey said, yep, 371 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going there. He never actually landed, yeah, which 372 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: was surprisingly smart of him, right to listen to the 373 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: experts in the area. He did have a police escort 374 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: with him, so it is fascinating that he didn't. But 375 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: I guess maybe he just wasn't he wasn't confident enough 376 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: in the people there with him. Sure, I don't know. 377 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: We'll also notice that at this point, despite this reputation 378 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's largely exaggerated for cannibalism, the Sentinel Ease 379 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: are hiding, their avoiding and evading right there, not confronting. 380 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: And then also there's a note here they're described as 381 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: long haired by m. Free But when you see footage 382 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: of the Centinel Ease people today, there are no long 383 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: haired people. There's just a little bit of footage, And 384 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: you're right, so interesting because it seems as though things 385 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: are changing. In that same year again, eighteen sixty seven, UH, 386 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: an Indian merchant ship called the nineveh was surrect on 387 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: the reef surrounding the shore, and their captain was a 388 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: real piece of work. So eighty six passengers survived, twenty 389 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: crew members survived. They make it. They crash on that 390 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: reef surrounding the island. These are also very treacherous waters 391 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: and boom celebration time. UH. They survived these what one 392 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: and six people survived. On the third day, the native population, 393 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: which had been completely in hiding, attacks the captain. His 394 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: strategy is to take the ship's lifeboat and run away, yeah, 395 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: to get picked up by some other ship that's coming 396 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: by the passing brig And then a Royal Navy ship 397 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: came to rescue the remaining survivors who had held the 398 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: natives off by for several days by throwing stones and 399 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: brandishing sticks. And again this is a story that gets around, 400 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: so nobody else goes to that island for another third 401 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: teen years, yes, and then in January eight eight, an 402 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: armed British expedition manages a successful landing on North Sentinel Island. 403 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: They're led by the officer in charge of the Antonomese 404 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: by this time, uh twenty year old fellow by the 405 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: name of Maurice Vidal Portman. They went through the island 406 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: in search of local people, and they had again some 407 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: of people from the greater Antonomese population guiding them. So 408 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: what did they find. Well, the first thing they came 409 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: upon were a network of pathways where people had been 410 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: traveling by foot. Um there were several freshly abandoned villages 411 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: that they that they saw again with with nobody around. 412 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: They kept surveying the island they found and it had 413 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: fertile soil, there were grows of tropical hardwoods and this 414 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: this gentleman Portman didn't see a single human being other 415 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: than the people that he brought to the island. So 416 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: was it a ghost island? Maybe, but I don't think so. Eventually, 417 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: after several days of searching, the party discovered just six 418 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: Sentinel Ease. It was an elderly couple and they had 419 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: four children with them. And you know, as as they 420 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: tended to do, I guess in the colonial path, they 421 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: abducted these six people and they took them with them. Yeah, 422 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: they took them, the parents and the children. The father 423 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: was by far the oldest of the six. They took 424 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: them back onto the vessel with them. But as soon 425 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: as they were leaving the island, probably because they were 426 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: exposed to new UH diseases, the family fell ill rapidly ill. 427 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: The parents died, and so in a strange move, Portman 428 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: and co. Sent the four surviving children back home with 429 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: presence the likes of which the Sentinel East community had 430 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: probably never seen before. And he talked about them in 431 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: a really smug, condescending way he said. You know, he 432 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: didn't feel particularly bad about it. He was annoyed by 433 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: what he considered to be their mannerisms and idiotic expressions. 434 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: That that's his choice of wording there. And they did 435 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: send four unaccompanied children back to an island that, to 436 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: their observation, was uninhabited. Oh yeah, I didn't even think 437 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: about that part. Just go lord of the flies kids, 438 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: we'll see you later. Wow, here's a here's a doll 439 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: with your presence. And Portman did go on to visit 440 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: the island several more times. In August of eighteen eighty three. 441 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: Uh they In August of eighteen eighty three, a volcanic 442 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: explosion was mistaken for the sounds of gunshots and possibly 443 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: a distress signal, so several search parties go out. Portman's 444 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: search vessel lands on North Sentinel Island. The native people hide. 445 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't see anyone, most importantly doesn't see a ship 446 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: in distress. So they just leave more gifts on the 447 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: shore and they depart. And then over the span of 448 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: eight five seven he visits a few more times, and 449 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: in his way, in a very smug, condescending way, Matt 450 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: he grows fond of the natives, And we have a 451 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: quote when he was explaining how is his chilly heart 452 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: had warmed to them. In many ways, they closely resemble 453 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: the average lower class English country school boy. As you see, 454 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: I've only ever seen them running away except for those 455 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: four children and the two parents that I killed with 456 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: my diseases. So the beginning of that quote is absolutely true. 457 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: But I think the whole thing really captures the spirit 458 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: of where is coming from. Right, maybe a little more 459 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: self aware than he was at the time, but then 460 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's a relative period of calm because why 461 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: would you go so far out of your way to 462 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: visit this place? Yeah, there's there doesn't seem to be 463 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: any interaction that happens, at least if you've read the 464 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: stories of reports of the previous interactions or lack of 465 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: so yeah, no, no reason. However, in eighteen s three 466 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: escaped Indian convicts fled that Port Blair that we mentioned before. 467 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: They got on a makeshift raft and they drifted about 468 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: thirty miles to North Sentinel Island. Here's the deal. Two 469 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: of the fugitives drowned in the reefs that are surrounding 470 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: the island again that we've mentioned before. The one guy, 471 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: the one survivor, made it to the beach, only to 472 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: be killed by the natives. By by the natives. Ostensibly 473 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: nobody probably saw this, I'm assuming, but but that's what 474 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: appeared to have happened. A British party later spotted and 475 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: retrieved his body, and they noticed that it was pierced 476 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: with with arrows and his throat was cut. Yep, And 477 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: after this, North Centinal Island was left alone for another 478 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: almost hundred years. But what happened after that, There's more 479 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: to the story, will continue after a word from our sponsor. 480 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: So meanwhile, for the rest of civilization that was not 481 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: part of the community on North Sentinel Island, a bunch 482 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: of stuff was happening, you know what I mean. Amazing inventions, 483 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: new depths of human depravity, wars, peace, beautiful moments. Some 484 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: of the most amazing people in history are born and forgotten. 485 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: And the people on this island have not only no 486 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: real idea about it, but they just don't want to 487 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: be forced to participate in this whole human experiment. In 488 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: nearby India, in nine the country finally gains independence from 489 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: British rule, and with this it gained control of the 490 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: Andamans and the Nicobar Islands, including North Sentinel Island. So 491 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: things are pretty hectic when you become a newly independent country. 492 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: And they didn't really get to the concept of North 493 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: Sentinel Island or the mysterious people living on it for 494 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: about twenty years and uh in nineteen sixty seven, an 495 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: Indian anthropologist named Trilokanath Pondit was summoned by the governor 496 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: of the Andaman Islands for a major expedition to North 497 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: Sentinel Islands. Ponda was offered the opportunity to become the 498 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: first anthropologists to land there, accompanied by armed police, naval officers, 499 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: too large patrol boats and inflatable rubber ding ease to 500 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: get around the reef without breaking up a ship and 501 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: getting trapped. Not so good against arrows though not so great. Yeah, 502 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: not so great against arrows. Later in life, pondits when 503 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: he's talking about why he agreed to do this, he says, 504 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: there was a feeling that we were trying to establish 505 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: friendly contact, which would be considered an achievement at the 506 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: government level. So on the first expedition, the Sentinel Ease 507 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: retreat into the jungle and they disappear because they know 508 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: this better than any non native ever would. There's no contact. 509 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: So the party leaves gifts of buckets, cloth, and candy 510 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: in the empty huts of the village. But they also 511 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: they also steal some stuff. They called it collecting, but 512 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: they stole some stuff, and they left blankets and things 513 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: that could have been tainted. As we found with the 514 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: American native populations, something as simple as a blanket can 515 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: hold a lot of pathogens, can be a actor for disease. Right, 516 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: So what what kind of stuff did they take? They 517 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: took bows, arrows, There was a basket, and even the 518 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: painted skull of a wild boar. And they were like, 519 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: this is ours. Enjoy the things, the candy. Uh Yeah, 520 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: And then they return another trip. On the nine March, 521 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: Ponda and his party find themselves trapped on the reef 522 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: flats between North Sentinel Island and Constant Islet. Constance Islet 523 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: was just a little bit away from the actual island itself, 524 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: and that when we talked about how the island grew 525 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: a little bit larger after the two thousand four earthquake 526 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: and Snami, the same way that the Grinch's heart grew 527 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: a little bit larger at the end of the film spoilers. Now, 528 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: the islet is attached to the island, but beforehand you 529 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: could get pot in between there, just to give the geography. 530 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: So they were certain that they were going to be attacked. 531 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: This is it, thought Pandit and company, So pendit or Pandit. 532 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: I want to be clear that we are not native speakers, 533 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: so may be mispronouncing this name. Uh. They were certain 534 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: that this was going to spell the end and that 535 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: they were going to die in the pursuit of this 536 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: great anthropological experiment. But something unexpected occurred. So at first 537 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: they see that the they see that two of the 538 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: natives who were just sort of observing them have realized 539 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: that they're stuck, and more people come out of they cover, 540 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: more men, more warriors, threatening to shoot at them, you know, 541 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 1: brandishing their arrows. Uh. And so they tried to appease 542 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: them by giving them fish that they had caught, but 543 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: that didn't work. More more dudes were coming at them, 544 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to shoot uh. And when they 545 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: got fish, some of them started to calm down, but 546 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: other people weren't having it, and they were still hostile there. 547 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: So they were still taking the fish, but then just 548 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: picking the bows back up and getting ready to kill them. 549 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: So the guys were thinking, eventually, we're gonna run out 550 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: of fish, right. But then, at this moment this is 551 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 1: a quote from an eyewitness account in the seventies, At 552 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: this moment, a strange thing happened. A woman paired off 553 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: with a warrior and sat on the sand and a 554 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: passionate embrace. This act was being repeated by other women, 555 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 1: each claiming a warrior for herself, a sort of community mating, 556 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: as it were. Thus did the militant group diminish. This 557 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: continued for quite some time, and in the tempo of 558 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: this frenzy dance of desire abated. The couples retired into 559 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,959 Speaker 1: the shade of the jungle. However, some warriors were still 560 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: on guard. We got close to the shore and through 561 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: some more fish, which were immediately retrieved by a few youngsters. 562 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: It was well past noons, so we headed back to 563 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: the ship. So they managed to survive, but they had 564 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: to watch something very weird, very personal interesting. I wonder 565 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: what kind of because it must be a show of 566 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: force in some way. I don't know. I don't know. 567 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not anthropologist, man. Maybe it's just the 568 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: time of day. That was the thing that happened at 569 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: that time. We could we could just think about it 570 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: all day long. I think it's more like, I think 571 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: there's gonna be power in there somewhere, right, maybe a 572 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: calming effect or something I don't know. I don't know, 573 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: maybe something ritualistic. Who knows, who knows? We would like 574 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: to hear your theories as well. Right to his conspiracy 575 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: how Stuff Works dot com. They're also unproven murders or 576 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: at least missing person cases associated with the islands. Oh yeah. 577 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: In that same year of nine seventy, there was a 578 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: wreck that was spotted on a coral reef right on 579 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: the southeast coast of the island, and after people were 580 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: looking at it to see what the heck is going 581 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: on here, it was concluded that the vessel had been 582 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: just sitting there for about seven or eight months, and 583 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: there was no sign of the crew, no sign of 584 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: the fate of the crew. So who knows? That one's 585 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: just a mystery, and I don't think we'll ever have 586 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: a just a concrete reason for why that happened. And 587 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: then of course, the big, the big deal, right, the 588 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: big tent. As far as the encounters go, it's we 589 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: can tell you the story of the encounter. That actually 590 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: had video footage, which you mentioned earlier, right, Matt, Yeah, 591 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: it's one of the only existing it is really it's 592 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: the only existing footage that I have scene of the 593 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: Sentinel Ease. It was in the spring of nineteen four 594 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: when there was a visit by this team of anthropologists 595 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: and they were filming a documentary called Man in Search 596 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: of Man, and there was a National Geographic photographer with them. 597 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 1: They're also armed police officers. They actually wore padded armor 598 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: um that they had under these jackets, and again who's 599 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,919 Speaker 1: to say what that does against arrows. Hopefully that would 600 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: have been, you know, some kind of protection, but who 601 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: knows um. And there is actual footage that you can see. 602 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: I believe that's the nineteen seventy four footage ulsits from earlier. 603 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: It's the only one that I've seen, I think. Then 604 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: in September nine, after both confirmed and suspected deaths at 605 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: the hands of the Sentinel Ease, the Indian government added 606 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: this uh this zone. It's a five kilometer three mile 607 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: exclusion zone around the island and it's under the provisions 608 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: of the Andaman and Nicobar Protection of Aborigine tribes regulation. Um, 609 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: it's called a N P A t R. Yes, I 610 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: love a good acronym. Right. We should also add, you know, 611 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: nobody died in the nineteen seventy four incident, but I 612 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: got shot through the thigh. I think, uh, the that 613 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: was their reaction to giving the gifts. So it's interesting 614 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: because before this exclusion zone exists, and before it gets 615 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: extended even we see this history of people trying to 616 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,879 Speaker 1: peacefully hide, stay away from us outsiders. And then at 617 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: some point in this occasional you know, every every few decades, 618 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: every century or so, in this occasional badgery and from 619 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: the outside world, the sentinel East stop putting up with this. Yeah, 620 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: who knows what internal folklore they've they have now for 621 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: the people that come and visit them every few decades. Yeah, 622 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: there are there's Okay, so there are a couple of 623 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: Indie patients that they might have some ancient myths similar 624 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: to those of the on gay But it's just in 625 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: the The only way we know is that when that 626 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and four disaster occurred, they got to high ground, 627 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: so they knew two. They knew that some sort of 628 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: natural disturbance was coming, and that may be based on 629 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: an oral history about similar events in the distant past 630 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: shared with the people would later become known as the 631 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: gay So that's possible. But can you imagine, and we're 632 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 1: entirely speculating here, Matt, can you imagine what oral histories 633 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: may exist now based on those four kids who returned, right? 634 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: I mean that sounds insane. You know. They took me, 635 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: they killed my parents, they brought me back with this 636 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: these strange beings on ships. We saw things that looked 637 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: like this that we have no way of really scribing 638 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,919 Speaker 1: to you, right, And these deaths at the hands of 639 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: the Sentinel Ease residents still occur. In two thousand six, 640 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: two men were illegally fishing from mud crabs off the 641 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 1: coast and North Sentinel Island, and the Centinel Ease killed them. 642 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: An Indian Coast Guard helicopter tried to go retrieve the bodies, 643 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: and it was warded off by bows and arrows and 644 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: ambitious explorers. An anthropologist attempting to make first contact may 645 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: have already violated the prime directive in some ways. They 646 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: may have accelerated the age of the the civilization and 647 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: culture on the island, and by age. I don't mean 648 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: just age in terms of numbers, I mean the technological age. 649 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: They may have gone from the Stone Age to something else, 650 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: because we have to remember these are people. They may 651 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: be living differently than many other people in planet, but 652 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't make them not human. They're still really smart 653 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: because human beings are for the most part, insanely super 654 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: villain level brilliant in comparison to other living things. And 655 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: that means that they took salvaged metal and they made weapons, 656 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: they made ornaments, they made jewelry. But as we as 657 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: we get to the end of today's show, we know 658 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: that the the they in today's episode is the sentinel 659 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: ease people, and the stuff they don't want you to 660 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 1: know is anything about how they live, or what their 661 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: lives are like, or what they think about you, specifically you, 662 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: specifically Matt, Paul, Noel and I as well. They want 663 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: to be left alone. And is that so bad? What 664 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: should happen to the residents of the island. We're asking you. 665 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: Should they be left to own as is apparently their desire, 666 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: or is it too late already? Will they need assistance 667 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: as local wildlife dies out? As oceanic biodiversity decreases, you know, 668 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: and like, like, it's all well and good to say 669 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: that we should leave this community alone. But some people 670 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 1: would argue, well, what if environmental catastrophes make their way 671 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,760 Speaker 1: of life unsustainable? Does the human species have a responsibility 672 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: to help the people on this island? Yeah, I think 673 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: they're too. I I see these sides and both of 674 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,439 Speaker 1: these arguments. Personally, I'm more on the leave them alone side. 675 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: Every everything I have ever witnessed about this, this sort 676 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: of situation tells me that it's it's okay to not 677 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: want to participate. You shouldn't force people to do stuff. 678 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: I think there there is a point to be made 679 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: about perhaps they are just protecting their own and their 680 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: territory rather than really not wanting to be contacted. You know. Yeah, 681 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: the Indian government has never prosecuted them for any of 682 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: these murders, by the way, and they are murders, or 683 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,399 Speaker 1: you could call them cultural self defense. But when we 684 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: asked this question, we also have to ask I don't 685 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: want to tilt the scales too much, but we also 686 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,280 Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves what happened to the other indigenous 687 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: peoples of these island groups when outsiders contacted them. Well, 688 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: we have one example that's not the same in in 689 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: really many respects, but we can see the effects that 690 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: civilization has had on them. They're called the Jarwah. There 691 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: were a native tribe and native and Iman tribe, and 692 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: there is a They live on one island where there 693 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: is a road that goes through their reservation essentially on 694 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: this island. They're kind of in the center of the island, 695 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: and then there's, uh, there're like some tourist areas and 696 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: other Indian locals who live on the outer side at 697 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: the outer rim of the island, and there's some civilization 698 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 1: out there. And this road that goes right through their 699 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: reservation was in use for a while, but then it 700 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: was decided by the Indian government that hey, we should 701 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: not use this road anymore. We're we're interrupting the life 702 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: of this tribe, this relatively uncontacted tribe, because I think 703 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: was the first time that they were officially contacted um. 704 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: But then tourism kind of became the thing where this 705 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 1: road began. They they these companies started taking human safaris 706 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 1: down this road where they would get in you know, 707 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: vans at large jeeps and pay people money to take 708 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: these trips to perhaps get a chance look at some 709 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: of these tribes people just living their lives and looking 710 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 1: at them as though they're in a zoo or something. Um, 711 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: it's a pretty horror find thought, especially just it's it 712 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: feels very icky first of all. But then the second 713 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: thing is that you are disturbing these people in their 714 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: way of life. Every time a single vehicle goes by 715 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: on this road that they make an encounter. Um, it's 716 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy. You can also just grab a taxi 717 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: by the way and go through there. You do have 718 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: to get through a military checkpoint and you are not allowed, 719 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: at least according to the authorities there and all the 720 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: signs they put up. You're not allowed to take any pictures, 721 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: photography or video of the Jarwi tribe, which is I 722 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: guess a good thing, But how do you police you 723 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,919 Speaker 1: know that many people and that many vehicles going through 724 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: at the time. It's just not great. And the other 725 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: thing are destination resorts which are all around these islands, 726 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: specifically those nine islands that are inhabited um or I 727 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: guess eight. But um there are resorts and there's a 728 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,760 Speaker 1: tradition for local peoples who live on these islands people's 729 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: of I guess Western civilization who burn their refuse. That's 730 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: what they do. They've got, you know, they're small residences 731 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: and they burn their trash. These larger resorts, though, make 732 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: so much trash that there's no way to really burn 733 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,720 Speaker 1: it with without creating massive issues. So then it becomes 734 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: a different massive issue where it's just a giant pile 735 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: of trash. And there are multiple resorts around this these islands. 736 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's just the one thing to think about. 737 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: If North Centinel Island ever becomes contacted to the point 738 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: where there are buildings and businesses being put up on 739 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,800 Speaker 1: the island, we can kind of see what might happen 740 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 1: to the tribe, right, Yeah, you can also in addition 741 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,399 Speaker 1: to the point you've made met you can you can 742 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 1: also check out videos of some of these native people 743 00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: being taunted to dance for food and uh and similar 744 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: things like that. So the question is, now that we 745 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: know the stuff they don't want you to know on 746 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: the Sentinel east side, what is humanity to do? Is 747 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: the government of India correct to create this exclusion zone 748 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: and to force all traffic to keep this island essentially 749 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:31,479 Speaker 1: lost in time? Or should something else be done. If so, what, 750 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: and if so how? We we don't have the answers. 751 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, clearly, Matt, I'm gonna go out on a 752 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 1: limb and say you're also on the side of leave 753 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 1: them alone. Yes, but I'm aware of the inevitability that 754 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 1: they will I mean, they will be engulfed by civilization 755 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:55,320 Speaker 1: at some point. Time is very long and humanity expands 756 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 1: ever so well, let me ask you this, what if 757 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: what if someone and in the population decides to build 758 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: several boats, and what if they under their own power 759 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: going to the outside world. But then, you know what 760 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's different because that goes both ways, this 761 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: human need for expansion. So at this point we don't 762 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: know the answers. No one does. We wanted to introduce 763 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,280 Speaker 1: you to one of the most secret places in the world, 764 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: right one of the one of the places where you 765 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 1: most likely will never get to travel and if you 766 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: do get a chance, just and probably you shouldn't write 767 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm having a tough time saying that. I know 768 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, Matt, I know you're right, 769 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: but again, we want to hear from you. Thank you 770 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 1: so much for tuning into the show. Friends and neighbors, 771 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. 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