WEBVTT - Four Campus Protest Reportbacks 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:06.960 Also media, welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.560 Davis and once again it has been happening here as 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.479 protest encampments have sprung up in at least eighty college 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.040 campuses all across the country as Israel continues its genocide 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.720 of the Palestine people and is now currently bombing multiple 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:22.880 sides of Rafa. Last month, students at American universities began 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.960 protesting their university's ties to Israel and weapons manufacturers, calling 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.520 for divestment, as well as urging their institutions to join 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.839 in calls for ceasefire. After a militarized police raid at 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.800 the Humboldt protest utilizing a prison swat team, police departments 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.120 around the country began cracking down more harshly on the 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.120 protest encampments. The day after the Humboldt, one, NYPD raided 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.840 Columbia University and fired a gun inside Hamilton Hall while 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.479 trying to use their handgun as a flashlight. The Portland 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.360 Police Bureau quickly followed suit and cracked down at the 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.520 encampment at Portland State University and have since barricaded that library. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.040 As the time of recording, around twenty five hundred arrests 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.920 have taken place at college protests all around the country. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.760 Police have displayed incredible violence, sending people to the hospital 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.640 with broken ankles and concussions. In many cities, there's been 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.480 heavy use of pepper spray, pepperballs as well as tasers. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.600 The protests have also faced violence from a mix of 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.640 far right agitators, zionist counter protesters, and racist frats that 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.680 have targeted the protest encampments with physical violence. Especially at UCLA. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:26.840 We here it could happen here, are lucky enough to 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.360 have correspondence kind of based all around the country. So 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.240 I'm joined today by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Molly 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.399 Konger to discuss our experiences as people who have been 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.880 present at some of these encampments all across the country. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.320 I'm going to start by talking about Emory University here 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.120 in Atlanta, Georgia. This is a weird one, and I 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.000 think I'll actually go into more depth in a future episode, 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.360 but this episode's going to kind of focus on discussions 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.080 and we're going to kind of compare our experiences. So 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.400 oddly enough, I think Emory was the first one to 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.680 actually face significant police repression. Tents went up on the 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.400 Emery Quad on April fifteenth, and that morning there was 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:12.200 a heavy police response from EMORYPD, APD and Georgia State Patrol. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.960 They fired tasers, there was rubber bullets, pepper balls, and 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:20.960 over two dozen arrests. Students and others began to rally 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.799 later that afternoon to retake the quad. A few hundred 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.240 people did so, and a small occupation began inside the 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.440 Kendler School of Theology building. M REPD was pinned up 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.000 against this building. GSP arrived as reinforcements and people started 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.600 to flee as you know, you see GSP kind of 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.400 form this area. But people were able to calm some 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.919 of those other students down and regroup and actually hold 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.360 that position for a little while longer police began attacking students, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.400 a small clash began, there was pepper balls. People continued 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.840 to kind of hold that ground in front of the building. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.320 There was students also inside. As people try to you know, 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.799 render aid to those who have been pepper bald, and 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.160 while maintaining this position in front of the building, more 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.360 and more police arrive, like a ridiculous number, and the 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.760 crowd eventually starts to slowly disperse as police just flood campus. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.919 Police from all around the greater Atlanta area just flood 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.800 this very small section of Decatur, which is a small 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.480 suburb to the northeast of Atlanta or to the east 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.680 of Atlanta. I guess. Emory President Greg Fems said the 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:27.280 Thursday protest was concocted by outside entities, which is why 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.040 Emory PD, APD and GSP violently disrupted the protest because 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.720 it was caused by outside agitators. Line that New York 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.120 Mayor Eric Adams would then reiterate to justify the massive 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:44.400 crackdown at Columbia. So the next day we had five 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:49.280 undred people march around campus and then this little kind 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.440 of committee of Emory faculty and staff called it the 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.880 emvery Open Expression Committee, began to negotiate with the protest 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.240 and they quote unquote allowed the protest to march around 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.320 campus and this small subset of the group began to 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.720 occupy the Cox Hall food court, and police were ordered 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.400 to stay out of sight this whole day and a 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.400 few of the days after unless the Open Expression Committee 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.080 specifically called them in. And what was able to happen 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.279 is that this Open Expression Committee was able to wield 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.520 the threat of police as a deterrent from people taking 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.080 kind of more militant action or to actually set up 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.760 things that would hold down an encampment, like if tenths 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.000 were set up, this would result in this Open Expression 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.120 Committee to call in the police. So this was a 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.800 very successfully wielded threat. So as the night goes on 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.160 with the Open Xpression Committee does threaten to call police 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.760 on the Cox Food Hall protest, which scares a whole 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.480 bunch of these young teens early twenties out of the building. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.760 A smaller group of around one hundred people remain on 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.480 the quad till midnight, police arrive, and then everyone disperses. 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.400 The next day kind of follows a similar pattern. Open 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.400 Expression and some student organizers over the course the next 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.400 few days actually start directing police to detain and criminally 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.520 trespass people wearing cafeas on suspicion of them having been 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.000 engaged in like doing graffiti, and really it just allows 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.200 police to target specific people that the Open Expression Committee 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.240 kind of just don't want on campus based on either 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.320 how they dress, how they're kind of walking, acting, behaving 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.160 that sort of thing. And this pattern followed basically up 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.800 until the present. People would try to take buildings do 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.279 smaller protests, police would either be called or there would 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.760 be threats that they would be called. It would kind 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.760 of calm the crowd down, everyone would disperse. If ten's 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.360 got set up, that was seen as like a major 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.839 sign of escalation, which would result in police being called. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.039 And it's kind of the small back and forth. And 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.960 eventually this just kind of led to the situation Emory 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:43.080 slowly dissolving, slowly fizzling out as the people who were 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.479 wanting to do stuff kind of got pushed more to 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.320 the side, got pushed out, more and more people became 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.560 again getting criminally trespassed, and the group of students at 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.760 Emory just did not want to risk a further engagement 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.880 with police after the first day. That's kind of led 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.640 to things slowly, slowly dissolving, and that's basically with the 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:09.239 situation currently. Things have mostly kind of tapered off schools ending. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.880 I'm sure this will be a similar similar thing across 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.640 the country as the school season is ending, and these 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.960 protest encampments will slowly also just dissolve away as police 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.039 repression continues. Let's see, who should we move on to 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:27.800 the next little report? James James stout from you. You 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.280 went to U see San Diego. That's right. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.160 I did both, both as a graduate student and then 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.280 again as an adjunct professor, and then again as a 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.320 journalist last week, which is what we're going to talk 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.320 about this time. So you see San Diego had It 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.200 was interesting. The encampment began on the first of May, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.599 but s JP had posted this thing about their big 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.280 rally was going to be on the. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.560 Third of May, on the Friday. Right. S JP is. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.760 Students for Justice in Palestine. It's one of the groups 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.480 it's organized a lot of these protests across It depends 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.240 you know where you're at. You might have the Council 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.400 on American Islamic Relations, you might have the Muslim Student Association. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.640 You might have both. But yeah, yeah, you're Jewish Fast 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:09.800 for Peace. Yeah yeah. 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.560 Very often they're they're collaborating, which is great. We love 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.720 to see collaboration. So what they did was they posted 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:17.480 that they were going to have a big rally on Friday, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.200 and that, as it turned out, was like a fake out, 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.000 and they actually started their encampment on Wednesday. So they 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.440 distracted ADMIN with that Instagram post, which is pretty clever, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.440 pretty funny and They began this encampment on Wednesday on 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.360 Library Walk, which is kind of right in the middle 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.280 of UCSD. If people have seen, you know, people will 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.520 be familiar with the UCSD guys le library from the 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.960 film Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, which played important. Yeah, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.960 I can see the look of recognition on my colleagues faces. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.960 But yeah, that's the only thing that's ever call that's 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.280 happened at UCSD. So they set up this encampment. It 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.880 wasn't huge, but it was certainly a serious presence, right, 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:02.520 and they didn't barricade it or sort of it make 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.760 it defensible. That was a conscious choice, right, And they 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:12.240 did set up a security system whereby they had student 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:17.480 security people controlling who entered and I guess left the 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.480 encampment if you really wanted to, you could. The cops 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.880 got in right, like it was a waste high vinyl offence. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.480 But in theory, these people were controlling who went in 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.119 and who went out. Some times these people were asking 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.120 people to sign up on a sheet. I think I 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:37.080 hope they stopped doing that because obviously that you're sort 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.360 of helping the cops make their prosecution case there. Over 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.480 the next five days, the encampment was extremely peaceful. Right. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.200 There was a focus among this group on not giving 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.800 any provocation to police or to addmin to any reason 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.719 to evict them. So they had some lectures, some speeches, 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.440 they had some live music, they did some dancing, all 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.199 stuff that like in no way provocation or violent. On 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.480 the fifth of May, a large counter protest was organized. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.960 Mostly it bought kind of like get off my law 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.600 and boomer types, but then also like some right wing 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.840 streamers Oreo Express or I guess the surviving half of 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:24.000 Oreo Express, Josh Fulfer was there. I think the guy 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.800 who was first responded to media, Housway or Joe Felix 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.720 was also there. These are right wing streamers that, sadly like, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.360 if you live where I live, you have to be 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.439 familiar with where they do a lot of border harassment 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.840 to They were obviously trying to film and identify students, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.760 so I guess this was on the evening of the fifth. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:45.079 That evening, the Chancellor Costler sent around an email basically 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.880 saying that what the students were doing was prohibited, that 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.840 the tents were not included in freedom of speech, and 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:57.120 asking them to disband peacefully. The next morning at about 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.760 five or six in the morning. Literally only hundreds of 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:05.320 cops from several agencies. Right, the UCPD does not have 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.080 the footprint that we saw. There was California Highway Patrol, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.560 San Diego Sheriff's Department, and UCPD all in full right 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:18.000 gear lined up opposite the encampment. They say that they 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.959 asked students to leave and that those who didn't were arrested, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.560 and when they arrested, obviously like violence was used by 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.320 the police, as always is, the encampment was destroyed. Everything 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.720 that was there was tossed into a dumpster. Some stuff 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.720 was then recovered. I guess there's now a Lost and 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.640 Found people to recover there things like laptops, right, like 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:40.360 expensive personal items that were swept up. At that point, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.000 people were arrested and then detained in the Price Center 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.920 at UCSD. The Price Center, if you've not been on campus, 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.480 is like a large shopping mall that also has some 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:55.320 lecture facilities. But it's where the Panda expresses on campus. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.840 It's not trapped in with the Panda Express, which is 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.000 a dangerous situation. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.400 Yeah yeah, pandac Express is not operational sadly more it's 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.200 a shame, but it's where they have their dining horn. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.600 It's like the center of corporate operations on campus. It's 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.120 a very bleak place. So they're trapped in the price center. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.320 The students around campus, those who are not in the 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.160 encampment then rallied to protect these students and tried to 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.480 block the police from loading them on buses and then 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.160 block the buses from leaving. And that's when we saw 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.800 the Sheriff's department using massive amounts of violence. Right our 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:33.120 Sheriff's department still carried just like big wooden sticks. They're 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.400 not like the black night sticks you know, with like 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.360 the right angled grip. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.560 It's just a giant It's just a big wooden baton. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.240 Yeah, it's the esthetic of our Sheriff's department's right gear 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.679 is consciously or unconsciously something that I associate with the 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.080 civil rights ear and the repression of the civil rights movement. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.760 Perhaps that's a choice, I don't know. But that was 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.559 when the Sheriff's department started to become violent. That's when 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:02.080 they brutalized and arrested BIRS list had students. In total, 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.600 sixty five people are arrested. Protests then moved down to 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.839 the two jails, right, we have a different facility. There's 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.600 a men's jenneral at women's jail, and they tend to 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.800 they tend to incartrate trans people with the gender they're 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.200 assigned at birth. I've heard about lots of things that 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.559 happened in those jails that were pretty bad, but I 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.319 haven't been able to confirm them enough that I think 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.920 I'd be comfortable airing them. So people are released, lots 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.040 of them charged with several misdemeanors, trespassing, encroachment, being at 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.040 the scene of a riot, resisting arrest, things like that. Right, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.600 two members of faculty were also arrested. Forty people were students, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.520 and at the last time I checked, they hadn't confirmed 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.920 the status of the other twenty ish people. So that 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:49.680 happened on the sixth yesterday, which was of course the eighth. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.360 There was a big march about a thousand students. It 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.040 looked like kind of both calling for the UC to 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.400 divest and calling for the UC to drop charges and 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.600 drop academic sanctions. So right now, all the people who 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.480 are arrested are facing interim suspension. They're facing a viction 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.240 from their student housing, which San Diego as we've spoken 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.839 about Brazilion times has an incredibly expensive housing market and 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.840 it's almost impossible to access affordable housing here. And in 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.880 some cases, you know, they're facing serious academic sanctions. It 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.600 could affect the rest of their academic careers. Student workers 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.520 who are arrested also now not being allowed to work 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.560 on campus. So one hundred and eighty three faculty sign 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.080 a letter asking the university to not do that. That 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.880 came out last night, and that's kind of where we're 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.760 at in terms of what's happened to these people. I 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:44.520 think it's probably worth noting that the U see Riverside 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:49.600 settled right that they negotiated a settlement. That's in so 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.520 Riverside is north and slightly east of here, east of 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:57.000 Los Angeles County. You see Riverside is. I don't know 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.480 in terms of student numbers how big it is, but 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.240 they they settled I think on the Wednesday, so it'd 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.800 be made May day, the Friday, made the third. I 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.400 was at the UCSD encampment that day and I heard 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.000 them announce it and there were a side settlement. I'm 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.679 just going to say it didn't achieve some of the 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.680 more radical goals of the student organizing movement not to 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.000 be divestment, to be an academic boycott. They did get 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.440 the university to publish its investments which are linked to 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.960 Israel at least, which is a step. I guess they've 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.040 got a task force. The university is going to be 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.240 very willing to grant you task forces and panels and 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.800 things which can turn your radical aims into a bureaucratic mess. Right, 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.520 And they got the university to look into removing subra 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:39.960 Hummas from its men use as well. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.520 Get Yeah, the biggest concession was the Hummers, which isn't 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:47.760 isn't great? 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.480 Wait that was That wasn't a joke? I thought you 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:50.960 were joking. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.800 No no, I'm not joking. No no, no, no, sober 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.040 Hummas was called out by name. They didn't I'm not 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.840 saying the real investment. Yeah yeah, no, no, they're not 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:05.120 investing from Sabrahama's Molly. They're looking into doing that in 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.920 conjunction with their acquisitions procedure. Yeah, so you know, it's 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.400 a huge dub. I don't want to undermine what these 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.120 people have done. Like's it's scary when the cops come 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.360 to get you. And I understand, but this is a 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.920 sort of visa concessions or university is going to give you. Right, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.040 you might get a snack task force, and you might 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:28.280 get they're already publicly available investments listed in one place 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:33.760 on their website at UCSD. The administration claims that the 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:38.720 students were unwilling to negotiate. I wasn't able to ascertain 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.280 if what system they had, right, Like I was trying 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:45.280 to ask if they had delegates or representatives, who are 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.520 going to those being different things, right, who are going 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.920 to negotiate? I was enabled to get a clear answer 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.360 and that they did very clearly publish their demands right, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.480 And the university doesn't seem to have proceeded to any 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.400 of them. So that more or less is where we're 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.680 at in Sandy. There are ongoing panels and press conferences. 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.520 I'm going to attend one, so it's going to be 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.440 one by faculty tomorrow on the ninth. The faculty have 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.880 also been organizing right in a group called Faculty for 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.360 Justice in Palestine, and they've been organizing. I think it 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.800 was very impressive that they like accepted student leadership and 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.680 didn't try and like, you know, come in and take 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.080 a vanguard role or tell everybody what to do. But 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.800 but there mostly to facilitate the student protest and protect it. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.760 So they're having a press conference tomorrow, so things that's 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.320 definitely ongoing here. But that's kind of where we're at 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.960 as of today, which is the ninth of me. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.680 We will be back in here about the happenings in 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:40.720 Chicago and I believe Richmond Charlotsville after this outbreak. Yeah 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:48.360 for sobra, I hope probably not Chockolahamas. That's the Chocolahamas 0:16:48.400 --> 0:17:02.440 is a travesty, crime against humanity. All right, we are back. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.320 I have a big bowl of non sobera chocolate hummus. Actually, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:07.960 so fuck fuck all of you. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.240 Yeah, and the break Garrison got out that chickpeas and 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.240 a blenda is a really beautiful thing. 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.000 Let's hear from me about what's been happening in Chicago 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.960 where there it's been multiple, multiple of these protest occupations. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.160 Yeah, so there's been four occupations so far in Chicago 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.080 that it's it's possible. I don't know. I'm actually kind 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.520 of surprised, Like the University Ofville, NOI hasn't, Like there 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.199 have been a few campuses that I thought would go 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.680 up that haven't. Yeah, So we're gonna talk about three 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:36.520 of them, because the other one I didn't get to. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.879 We'll we'll we'll explain why I wasn't at the School 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.119 of the Art Institute one because that's a shit show. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.160 Sixty eight arrests, Yeah, disaster. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.080 We will get to that. So the first one I 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.440 was at was at Northwestern, And I think the other 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.040 thing that's important about these encampments is that they're really 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.679 really geographically spread out across the city. So Northwestern is 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.480 not in Chicago, it is in is it a like 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.080 is it a suburb called Evanston? Is a very rich suburb. Okay, 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:07.920 The other thing we should probably get across this, these 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.800 are the Chicago Campment's all started kind of late into 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.359 this process. They're not there's reasons for this that I 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.640 can't get into, but they're all kind of late comers. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.879 On April twenty fifth, Northwestern one starts, and it's a 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.600 really chill occupation for the most part. So there's like 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.920 a police raid on night one, but then the kids 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.440 just come back and put all the tents up again. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.800 And then after that, like the Evanston Police Department is 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.440 a joke, right, Like they're not I mean they've probably 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.320 done terrible things, but like they're they're not They're not 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:37.960 like the police departments in the rest of the city, 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.879 who are like the guys you teach the CIA how 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.560 to torture people, right, Yeah, and so yeah, I wanted 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.280 to talk a bit about kind of the vibes of 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.040 it because it was it's a very like early occupation 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:49.920 kind of vibe. 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:50.240 Right. 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.600 It's I mean, like I walk in there's it's it's 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.639 a bunch of kids like sitting on tents doing homework. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.800 People are sleeping, there's like people like eating meals. Everyone's 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:02.879 really happy. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.800 Very similar to people just hanging out in the quatt 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.080 Emory and I'm sure many other places around the country. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.399 Yeah, I think I think in everything that that should 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.919 be mentioned is you know, so like obviously these are 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.479 these are proto. These are camps insolidated with Palistin, right, 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.959 so you're you're expecting an internationalistvent this one. Like I 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.159 walked in there and there is a woman on the 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.600 stage in the encampment, will I say stage, and there's 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:28.640 a woman using their sound equipment, which made you quieter too, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.960 But was talking about the Zapatistas and this is the 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:33.600 thing you see over and over and over again. Right, 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.719 It's like, yeah, these are about the encampus that I'm 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.920 at art. You know, obviously they're about Palestign. But there's 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.200 this real there's very kind of there's a deep internationalism 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:45.040 there that's very tangible and powerful. I mean, like you know, 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:46.439 I was walking through the tamp and I was I 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.479 was like, you know, there are kids like reading on 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.200 the on the lawn and I'm like I'm like pointing out, like, oh, hey, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:52.680 this is that's the copy of The Wretched of the 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.359 Earth that I have from college. Like you know, it's 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.680 all stuff like that. It was all very chill. It 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.240 like rained on us, so we spent much time like 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.199 waterproofing tents. I think the interesting things about this is 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.560 that there's a there's a really kind of wild mix 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.320 of people there. It's it's this it's this thing you 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.639 only really get in social movements that are like going 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.960 somewhere where, you know. I mean I was running into 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:20.399 people from groups like old school, like like I ran 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.520 to someone from Students for a Democratic Society, Like I 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.240 didn't even know that groups still existed, like I thought. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.800 I think, well, so there there was a second round 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:29.080 of them in the two thousands, so I thought they 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.600 died after that, but apparently not. You know, so you 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.760 have these mix of people from like groups that everyone 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.600 thought was dead, right, Like, you know, there's a lot 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.000 of sort of very experienced, like student organizers. There's also 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.399 a lot of grad students, which is a dynamic. I 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.280 don't think it's talked about very much because it's not 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:44.920 It's not just like eighteen year olds. There are a 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.040 lot of people in these camps who have been doing 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.760 this for a very long time. And you know, so 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.040 you have those people, but you also have people who 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.080 just I mean, like I talked to people who this 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.120 was literally their first protest, right It's like the first 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:57.880 thing that ever hilly they'd ever come out to. And 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.679 you know, there was this very kind of there's this 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.280 very sort of camarader ReVibe. What there wasn't was a 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.480 functional democracy, and that's a very That's the other thing 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:11.520 about this encampment that was very different than the Chicago one, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.520 which I'll be getting to in a second. It's like 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.960 they there is this sort of there was this group 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:23.920 that was negotiating with the administration, and no one could 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.800 really tell what they were doing. Like every once in 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:28.920 a while representative would come back from them and you'd 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.240 hear something. But in the meantime, everyone is sort of 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.399