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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and it is a Thursday, really hot Thursday. Yeah, Hettsburg,

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Speaker 2: and well, things are heating up over on the south side.

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Speaker 3: I did you see what you did there? You know,

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Speaker 3: at the.

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Speaker 2: Upmc rooney Sports Complex. The Steelers getting through another practice today,

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Speaker 2: and it certainly looks or appears as if Justin Fields

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Speaker 2: is going to get to start at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: That's the feeling, huh. I mean he's doing all the

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Speaker 3: first team stuff, just like coach Tomland said, and here

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Speaker 3: we go. Yeah, I mean you were saying off the

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Speaker 3: air last time he faced the Broncos, it's probably his

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Speaker 3: best game as a pro. That was last year. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's definitely his best passing game as a pro. And

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Speaker 3: you've got a you know, a game on or his

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Speaker 3: belt with his new team, with his new offense, it's

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Speaker 3: not a real daunting defense. I expect him to perform

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Speaker 3: pretty well.

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Speaker 2: No, I do as well. And that game last year

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Speaker 2: for Justin Fields against the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 3: He threw four four four four. I will take that.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember the last time I saw a Steelers

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Speaker 2: quarterback throw four rush down passes in one game.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a loaded Bears team or anything he was

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Speaker 3: on either, No, it was certainly was not. I would

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Speaker 3: I would take two. It would be a nice advanced

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Speaker 3: be a good way to start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you know this, this Broncos

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Speaker 2: team were it was defensively challenged last year.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, in a big way, especially against the run.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was really, maybe probably probably was the

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Speaker 3: worst run defense in the whole league. I mean to

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Speaker 3: kind of sum up their season, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: they won eight games. I mean I get Payton credit.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he finagled some stuff, you know, some late

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Speaker 3: games heroics or game management. I don't have to really

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Speaker 3: study it. It's not a very good roster. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they gave up a whole yard more per rush attempt

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Speaker 3: than they produced last year. That's hard to do. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's a ridiculous gap. Every time somebody runs the ball,

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Speaker 3: That's insane. And they tackle poorly. They're they're not particularly

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Speaker 3: athletic in the middle of the field. They don't have

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Speaker 3: you know, great linebackers in terms of range or you know,

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Speaker 3: playmaking skills or safeties. I do like some of their

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Speaker 3: d linemen. I mean, I think Allen's a good player,

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Speaker 3: and across the board they're pretty probably underrated in their

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Speaker 3: defensive front, but they're not real big or physical right right.

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Speaker 3: And even their edge rushers they have three good ones,

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Speaker 3: but they're not monsters. You know, they're good players and

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Speaker 3: they certain so.

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Speaker 2: In that game last year against Denver Broncos, justin fields

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Speaker 2: was twenty eight of thirty five okay, four touchdowns, three

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five passing yards, one interception. He also

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Speaker 2: rushed for another twenty five yards on four carries.

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Speaker 3: Not bad. Yeah, you'd take that, Oh, you'd take it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: efficient passing would be wonderful. Would you say he didn't

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Speaker 3: There wasn't many incompletions, right, so, like say that would

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Speaker 3: for the Steelers, just moving the ball through the air,

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Speaker 3: throw after throw would be wonderful, would be a great start.

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Speaker 3: And I do think even if Pickens has a and

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Speaker 2: I don't know that Pickens is going to have a

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Speaker 2: quote unquote really tough day because it's so much harder

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Speaker 3: and I remember throwing all the Ayuke stuff and all

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Speaker 3: I said I don't think he's a number one receiver.

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Speaker 3: And then he gets here and you can blame Mac

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Speaker 3: Canndall all you want, but he was not a real

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Speaker 3: second season you saw more slants, more traditional stuff, and

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Speaker 3: any inbreaking stuff over the middle because they weren't throwing

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Speaker 3: there last week, but will this week. And much like

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Speaker 2: Arthur Smith said today that the reason they didn't have

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: And they were having success elsewhere. If they were shutting

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Speaker 2: But why bother, No, we're trying to you know, you

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Speaker 3: Why I got to that point exactly? You know, how

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Speaker 3: this game or any game in NFL is how could

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: That's the way you could have lost it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one thing Mike Tomlin does excellent, better

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Speaker 3: that's how I think we could lose this game and

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Speaker 3: then build your game plan. I think Tomlin identifies that extremely.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if you're you know, if you're the playing

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Speaker 2: the Steelers, well we had to block TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt, don't get him beat. Yes, we got to.

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Speaker 3: Like the falcons are perfect example. Yeah, let's not go

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Speaker 3: after that pair of safeties, right, you know for a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was to do that against that particular team,

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Speaker 2: and you won the game staying away from those guys.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's another misconception that Arthur Smith only

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Speaker 3: I give him all the credit in the world because

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Speaker 3: chose not to, you know what I mean, Great, that's

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Speaker 3: what you want to see. Yeah, I saw a stat actually.

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Speaker 2: Last night, actually the Steelers ran thirteen or seventeen plays

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I said it to you. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's the highest rate in the NFL in the last

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Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one that I found. Okay, seventeen eleven

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Speaker 2: or in thirteen or fourteen personnel. The seventeen plays were

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Speaker 3: Okay, one Arthur Smith has been coaching, he was been

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Speaker 3: part of it. Right, that's a good point. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: actually going against himself on that one, right, I mean

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Speaker 3: it was far and away the most in Week one,

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Speaker 3: Chargers were second and it wasn't even fifty per cent,

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Speaker 2: You can see that next week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tight ends on the field, bros. It's another game.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a kind of grinded out. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Its the best. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, I think when you look at this.

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Speaker 2: Denver safeties are good, Like I think.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not right, But in that particular game last week,

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Speaker 2: it just made sense. I didn't hear that from anybody else.

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Speaker 2: That was just my assumption watching the game, I'm like, Oh,

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Speaker 3: And you know what, folks people stay away from. Makea

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Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick all the time, Cousins. There was two or three

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Speaker 3: them that he is kind of dirted. He went, maka, no,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to do now, I'm not just

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Speaker 3: gonna I know, I'm not doing that, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what happens. You've gained what happens, right,

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Speaker 2: And you say, how can we lose this game? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: one of the ways you lose the game is if

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Speaker 2: if Fitzpatrick takes it the other way.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I mean it's Ed Reid's stuff. I mean that's

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Speaker 3: scary stuff people avoid, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the stuff that Ben Roethlisberger used to talk

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Speaker 2: about the first thing, and what do you think, what

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Speaker 3: Well, everybody's really good. He's really good.

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Speaker 2: I guess to stay away from him.

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Speaker 3: He's going to get the balls that other free safeties,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, that's kind of stuff, right, But there's game

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Speaker 3: changing players in this game. You know. It's funny to me,

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Speaker 3: like a lot of Steeler fans and even people in

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Speaker 3: people fear and as a game changer. But no one

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Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly exactly, no one.

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Speaker 2: Right, they had the ability to do that. So you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So if you do, you know you need

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Speaker 2: That and the play action. Yeah, we're also, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and play action was at a really high rate too,

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Speaker 3: freezing guys. Unlike the Falcons, though, if I were to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you know, and the numbers are out there

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Speaker 3: When the Steelers don't turn the ball over, they win.

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Speaker 3: And the team has not changed enough despite new quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: The offense is exactly the same as it. Yeah, did

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Speaker 2: Everything, right, It's not just if this then that. That's

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Speaker 2: Didn't blitz last week, that doesn't mean they won't blitz

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Speaker 3: If Nicks is terrible at it, or their protection schemes

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Speaker 3: I mean, talk about it.

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Speaker 2: But I can tell you from what we saw throughout

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Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all. A lot of inbreaking rounds.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is something Arthur Smith's done really well.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's many highlights of like aj Brown on

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Speaker 2: The other thing about the whole middle of the field

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Speaker 3: It doesn't, even though the ball traveled across all of

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Speaker 2: The receiver went through the middle of the field and

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Speaker 3: Of the field throw. Right. One of the bigger plays

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Speaker 3: I mean it bucked the trends. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I do too. I mean, I don't think he's gonna

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Speaker 2: Gino Smith on the other side of that had one

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Speaker 2: It's one hundred yards less than what Nick sad and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the deep anything down the field. Field's deep passing

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Speaker 2: But if he does that against the Steelers, nick I

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Speaker 2: It was like the whole game plan was just sideway, sideway, sideways, and.

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Speaker 3: That was the only things that were completed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the only things that worked right right

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Speaker 3: After the catch. Doesn't surprise.

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Speaker 2: they threw, right, you would think somebody broke a tackle

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Speaker 3: That aren't as good as him, but yeah, the Thomas

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Speaker 3: but he's running down the field and taking the top

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00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 3: off and making people honor it and creating room for others. Yeah,

435
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 3: but so aprently members it can't even do that right now.

436
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when you look at what they got

437
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 2: out of their running backs, not much. Eighteen carries for

438
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 2: fifty yards out of McLaughlan and Javonte Williams.

439
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 3: And McLaughlin's used more like the starter than the scat back,

440
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 3: at least in this game. He was and he is

441
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 3: a scat back, and he's a scatpack. He's dangerous. Yeah,

442
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 3: I mean like he's a big play dude he makes

443
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 3: He's little, Yeah, he's little, and he's you know, not

444
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 3: a tackle breaker.

445
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,120
Speaker 2: Little guys take big hits.

446
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,959
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if you saw this, but the

447
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: Falcons hardly ran the ball between the tackles against the Steelers.

448
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 3: Is that's partially a Falcon thing, you know, they were

449
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 3: doing a lot of outside zone and wide pitches and

450
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: things like that. But it's also a Cam Hayward thing,

451
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's just dominating your

452
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 3: guards and centers. When people talk about.

453
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 2: Well, Patrick Queen really didn't do anything in this game.

454
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,479
Speaker 2: Whatebody's running everything away from him?

455
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 3: True, I mean you're not going to attack up the middle. Yeah.

456
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: When if they're not going to attack the middle of

457
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 2: the field, you're not going to have a bunch of tackles.

458
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: Is the is the inside lineback?

459
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

460
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 3: We had a good conversation on the Wednesday Night Show

461
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 3: last night about I think how I phrased it was

462
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: TJ was so good that I don't think people realized

463
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: how good the next two stars were really the next

464
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 3: three Cam minca Porter.

465
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 2: Cam looked outstanding under I mean as.

466
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 3: Good as he's looked in five years type of look.

467
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: Is that an alleviate some of your all of it questions?

468
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 3: I just need to see a splash of it, That's

469
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: all I do. To see that still. Yeah, I just

470
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 3: need to see that that still exists. It still exists.

471
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 3: I'm in you know, right, and immediately thought, what a

472
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: bargain they got it. They paid that old man so good.

473
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: That was a bargain and a half. That old man is.

474
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: Still the biggest bouncer in the bar. Oh yeah, and

475
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: it didn't shock me.

476
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 3: I mean I expected it, but I hadn't seen it

477
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 3: since his injury, and that's been almost a year. All

478
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 3: I need to see was at once boom, I'm cool. Yeah,

479
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 3: he's tossing guys around. Oh yeah, and Porter's shutting down

480
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: a really good receiver. Minka is making plays all over

481
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 3: the place against the run in particular. But I mean,

482
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: your star and Higsmith was really good to Your stars

483
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: were stars. It wasn't just why yeah.

484
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: And those were guys. Some of those guys high Smith

485
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: TJ didn't right, They didn't play at all in the preseason.

486
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean where some teams showed obvious rust that

487
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 3: sat there, guys, this defense wasn't one of them.

488
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: I think defensively, especially if you're a defensive lineman, you

489
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 2: can get away with you like yeah, the rust is

490
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: not the same as a quarterback or a wide receiver.

491
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: And maybe even an offensive line running technique driven. And

492
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: I need to know what my buddy's power, right right, right,

493
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: I mean Lindstrom didn't play at all. I'm sure he'll

494
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 3: have a great season. He's a great player. And look

495
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: back at Week one and be like, that's my worst

496
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 3: bad matchup, right, right, right, I had a bad matchup.

497
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 3: That was my worst game. I got better.

498
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin mentioned yesterday that Larry Oguan Jobi, for the

499
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: first time since he's been here, is healthy going into

500
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: this season.

501
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 3: Wow, I think we overlooked that he's always fighting something. Yeah,

502
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: I mean, and that was the reason he was out

503
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: there when they got him. I mean, he basically kicked

504
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 3: Linstrom's but he really did. He was definitely the better

505
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: player that day, no doubt.

506
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: And that's not that's that's saying a lot because Linstrom's

507
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: good for picking up guards.

508
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: He's one of my top five yeah, I mean miners

509
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: this week. So it's another match, very hard matchup. Yeah,

510
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: but if he can, if he can.

511
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: Win that battle like he did against Linstrom, or at

512
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: least hold his own Steelers, win this game going away.

513
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 3: It fits to that degree, especially like it was Sunday. Yeah,

514
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: urge people just to kind of pay attention to that

515
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: one because if Ogunjobi shows up on the stat sheet

516
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: pretty heavily. That's good work against that guy. Yeah, I

517
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: mean that's a really ascending, now very wealthy guard.

518
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: Honestly, if you're looking at matchups, that might be the

519
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: two best ones to open a season within the league. Yeah,

520
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 2: for defensive tackle you get week and and minors the

521
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: next that's.

522
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: Like we're all talking about pickings, gets Torrell and certained. Yeah,

523
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: because it's fantasy relevant running around on the field. Guards

524
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: versus the tackles don't get the same headlines, but it

525
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 3: doesn't get I mean, you know, I remember Dan Moore

526
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: last year, Crosby and Garrett and Bosa. You know you

527
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: notice that. But yeah, at Larry Oh is not gonna

528
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: be like I just played two the best guards in

529
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: the league.

530
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: You know, but he's gonna Yeah, absolutely So if you know,

531
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: if he can hold his own there or win those battles,

532
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: and you know, I think Kean O Benton should just

533
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: toss their center problem. Yeah he's on the injury report,

534
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: is he really? Yeah, he's dealing with something.

535
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: So with their backup situations, but can't be good, can't

536
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: be good? Yeah, not at all.

537
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: So if that's a situation, if that's one that the

538
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: Steelers can win consistently. Yeah, and we'll see how much

539
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: base are able to stay in.

540
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 3: You know, But I mean he's Pyton's I didn't study

541
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: it all that much, but Peyton's known for throwing a

542
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 3: lot of different formations. He's one of the best guys.

543
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: He was.

544
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: What you're going to match up with his guys against.

545
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna throw a lot of substitutions, a lot

546
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 3: of different personnel groupings, a lot of formations, and then

547
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: refer to it later. Yeah, script stuff. I don't know

548
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 3: that I would.

549
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: I might want to keep my three four out there

550
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: just a yeah, all right, because I want the nose.

551
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: I want somebody on that nose. Yeah, throwing the center

552
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: of the out.

553
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: Of the bar. And the thing is, especially if obviously

554
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 3: they studied the Falcons tape to know end they're going

555
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: to have somebody that's not Pits or Beijon. Yeah, you know,

556
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: and the watt help, Yeah for sure, And that kind

557
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 3: of limits what you can put out there. Absolutely.

558
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: But let's get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.

559
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here

560
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. When we come back. We're

561
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: supposed to be joined by a special guest, Steeler's Safety

562
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: Deshaun Elliott expected to join us.

563
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: So he did too. Yeah, so we'll see.

564
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: Uh, well, we'll talk to him when we come back

565
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 2: to right after this.

566
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

567
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

568
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

569
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

570
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. We're pleased to be joined now on

571
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Speaker 2: the phone by Steveler's Strong Safety. To Shaun Elliott and

572
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: DeShawn we welcome you to the show.

573
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: How you doing great? To have you?

574
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: Have you gotten used to hearing Steelers strong Safety to

575
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: Shawn Elliott?

576
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 3: Yet?

577
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it kind of What do you think?

578
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: What is.

579
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: Especially you keep making plays like you did on Sunday?

580
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: You can you can be the strong safety as long

581
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: as you want.

582
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 4: Make sure I stay healthy. As long as I'm healthy, play.

583
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: Man, Deshaun. Uh that first game you go out there,

584
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: and obviously you've played against the Steelers in the past.

585
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: You know, in your time with Baltimore and the Lions

586
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: in Miami, you've seen this. What was it like when

587
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: you walked out for warm ups and you look up

588
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: in the stands and you see all those Steeler fans

589
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: in Atlanta.

590
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 4: I'm not I didn't.

591
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that they were there until we're actually

592
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 5: playing the game.

593
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 4: With the first quarter of the game and I think

594
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 4: we were on.

595
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 5: Defense and it got kind of and I was like, wait,

596
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 5: this is crazy.

597
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: I obviously thought the game just like, well, that's really wow.

598
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 5: They go out of the way to pay their money,

599
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 5: flying all that, to really come wherever it is around

600
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 5: the country to support us. We're practice talking about it today.

601
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: We're just like, yeah, but it doesn't matter where you go.

602
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 5: Just know we're gonna have the fan. The fan's gonna

603
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 5: come with us. So hopefully a lot of them come

604
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: out to Ginbrick because we're gonna need it.

605
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: Deshaun I watched the game live on TV and then

606
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: and thought, wow, you know, he had a really good game,

607
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: a lot of impactful plays. But when I went back

608
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: and watched y' all twenty two, I thought it was

609
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: even more impressive of just singling you out, And what

610
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: immediately jumped out to me was his film study must

611
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: have been exceptional. This week. Did you feel like you

612
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: had a really good bead on what the Falcons were

613
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: trying to do.

614
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, so I tied my best to

615
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 5: watch a lot of tape. That's kind of something that

616
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 5: I've always done in my career because of the players

617
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 5: I've played with. Like Eric was one of my bets

618
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 5: when I was a rookie, so I kind of like

619
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 5: study study with him.

620
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: Alai. I really used to follow him around, kind of

621
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: like how Herbert call was TEJ.

622
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: Big Brothers thing is make a good influence too.

623
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 4: It's a great influence. Obviously, you can't.

624
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 5: You can't be in a run with Minca and not

625
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: try to be better. You know, like he's he's.

626
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: Very smart, it's very extinctual, instinctual player.

627
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 5: So I'm trying to do as much as I can

628
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 5: to match his abilities.

629
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 4: As of right now, I've done it.

630
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 5: But you know, the NFL is about being consistent and

631
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: consistency they wins championships and that also at that at

632
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: the end of the day, get somebody paid.

633
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: So DeShawn the the interception that you had on the

634
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: pass over the middle before you even caught the ball, uh,

635
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: Dante Jackson is celebrating because he knew you had it. Uh,

636
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: He's already pointing the other way and celebrating. He's like, yeah,

637
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: Deshawn's got that one.

638
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: Uh.

639
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: What's your relationship been like with the two of you

640
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: coming in here and being kind of the new guys

641
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: in that starting lineup.

642
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: Honestly, it's been great because of like how I know

643
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: D Jack. Me and Djack came out of I came out.

644
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 5: Of sport at the same time. We had to comebine together.

645
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 5: I've been knowing for for a while, so that and

646
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 5: then also like during training camp, you know, we're in Latrobe,

647
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 5: so we.

648
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: Had an opportunity to really getting their teammates. And me

649
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: and Jack were just hanging out one night.

650
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: And uh, he was like, bro, what if we what

651
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 5: are the first game we both got that we both.

652
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 4: Bog and then it happened. And so after after both happened,

653
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 4: we were on the sidelin. He's like, Bro, do you

654
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: remember what I told you?

655
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 5: Bro? And I was like, oh, so, you.

656
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 4: Know, it just really cool. And over time our relationship

657
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: has grown, whether whether it's been the last couple of

658
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: weeks or uh since I've been since since I've been

659
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: noticed when.

660
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 5: We came out of college, so it's really cool. Man

661
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 5: Like act, we have a couple of guys in my

662
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 5: class who ended up being on this team. You know,

663
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 5: it's me, Mika as well, and then even now throws back,

664
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 5: so he's also in there too.

665
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 4: We're all in that same class.

666
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 5: It's really cool just be able to get my first pick,

667
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: my first game as.

668
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: A Steeler, you know.

669
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 5: So it's really cool and it kind of and it

670
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 5: got me even a chance to show to stew a

671
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 5: fan base like what I'm about and what I can

672
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 5: do where I can read to the.

673
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: Table on the weekend a week got basis we're not prepared.

674
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: How sha that's awesome. And speaking of relationships on the team,

675
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: how about fellow Longhorn and Ryan Watts. You know, I mean,

676
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: unfortunately we're not gonna see him the rest of the year,

677
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: but I thought he was really exciting and what you know,

678
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: what can we expect for him next year when he

679
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: comes back.

680
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 5: I think, you know, Ryan, he was a corner in

681
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 5: college and he's a big corner six three, like two fourteen,

682
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 5: so he hasn't intangible physically, he has it athletically.

683
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: It'll be in.

684
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 5: Between the ears and you know, obviously that can be

685
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: hard that transition one and two. He's having to sit

686
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 5: out the rest of the season because of his injury.

687
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 5: But things that Ryan is a very smart player and

688
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: he was catching on safety very well, very fast. So

689
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 5: it's very disappointing and mixed with he will get a

690
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 5: chance to get back out there.

691
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: And get to it, but you know, we'll miss them.

692
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: You'll be okay, Deshaun.

693
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: One of the things that that that Matt and I

694
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: talk a lot about on the show is when when

695
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: Joey Porter Junior is is following or shadowing uh the

696
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: other team's best receiver from side to side, that changes

697
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: the jobs or some of the some of the things

698
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: that you guys, the rest of the back end has

699
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: to do in terms of responsibilities.

700
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: Does it not?

701
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 5: I mean I would say it changes anything, just makes

702
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 5: it out in the way easier. You know, we know

703
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 5: that Joey's out there and do what he do what

704
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: Joey does. And Joey since the stepped on that feld,

705
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 5: whether it was college or NFL, he's been He's going to.

706
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: Shut down Corner's gonna get his hands on somebody.

707
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, we just know

708
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 5: joy der thing and we'll play within the scheme around you.

709
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: You've played with some really good corners in your career

710
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: already with in Baltimore and some of the guys you

711
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: played with in Miami in Miami as well. Where where

712
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: do you see his trajectory. I mean, this is just

713
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: year two for him. He's only he hasn't even started

714
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: a full season yet.

715
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: I've told Joey this, I said, if you are serious

716
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 5: about being the greatest corner that Pittsburger has ever had,

717
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 5: then you need to take these days serious, particularly meticulously

718
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 5: and just in day in and day out, like getting

719
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 5: that book, like still your tape. Because he has intangibles

720
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 5: obviously six three two twenty five, Like I told him that,

721
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 5: bro I played.

722
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: With Jalen Ramsey, and you have the size, you.

723
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 5: Have the ability to get your hands on somebody at

724
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 5: the line, and you have the ability to really lock

725
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 5: lock guys down.

726
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 4: That is that you need to start taking each day

727
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 4: as as of.

728
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 5: This year last and I think that that's something that

729
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 5: he started to catch on to, and I think that this.

730
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 4: Year would be a great year for him. I think

731
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: he had a pretty.

732
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: Good game the other day, you know, when it came

733
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 5: to what his assignment was to do in that game,

734
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 5: whether he came down to tackle as a big corner

735
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: or where he was covering somebody. So I think he

736
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 5: would just grow and go after the same Well, keep

737
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 5: our health and so everything.

738
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: Will go exactly how he wanted to be. I mean,

739
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 4: I kind of have.

740
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 5: A great trajectory for this, not only the defense, for

741
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 5: the secondary.

742
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 4: I know in the.

743
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 5: Past it probably hasn't been the best the better of

744
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 5: secondary is that const Pittsburgh culture.

745
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: But I think with the guys we have.

746
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: The tendles that we have, the communication that we do,

747
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: and our camaraderie, I think we could be a great secondary.

748
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: In terms of you. You've also, especially in the preseason,

749
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: you've been you've been actually playing the slot a lot.

750
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

751
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: What's that like for?

752
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're a strong safety, You're you're a

753
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: bigger guy. Uh is that matchup based or is that

754
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: just you know, whatever what the team wants to do

755
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: on that particular play.

756
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 4: Honestly, it's more of like what the team want to do.

757
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: I'll I know wherever they want to do line up.

758
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 5: Obviously, I've worked my foot off to get in the

759
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 5: position for me to be trusted in that in those circumstances,

760
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 5: really playing a slot isn't I mean, it's hard, obviously,

761
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 5: but if you're a smart player and you study film,

762
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 5: it kind of makes a lot simpler for you, even

763
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 5: if you might not be the typical like thought process

764
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 5: when the team takes up a slot.

765
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: Warner obviously playing single high is like Menka's specialty, not

766
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: that he can't do other things, but you also seem

767
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: very comfortable doing that as well. It's kind of a

768
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: rare thing to be able to do both, right, all.

769
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I would say that.

770
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: I mean, when I first got into the league, I

771
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 5: was a strong take of box safety, and then something

772
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 5: happened with a spot that was open for Baltimore and

773
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 5: was starting my last two years.

774
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: There, wanted me to play free safety, so I was.

775
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 5: Like, all right, that's fine, So I played it there,

776
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 5: and over the years I've been able to like change

777
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 5: my body to where I can play both, because at

778
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 5: one point in.

779
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: Time, I was kind of heavy. Even when I first

780
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 4: got here, I was kind of heavy.

781
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 5: But now I'm back down to my normal way and

782
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: I'm feeling great. I'm moving and very fluid and as

783
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 5: fasts and quick as I.

784
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: Honestly ever probably moved. My body's awesome. It's as healthy

785
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: as been.

786
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 5: I've got to the NFL, because I mean I had

787
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 5: a lot of injuries, if you know, being in an NFL.

788
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 5: Out of the last six years of my life, I've

789
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 5: probably been into foot with it four or out of.

790
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: The last six. So finally getting totally healthy and.

791
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 5: And knowing how to have a retromend and how to

792
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 5: hear my body to whay I should, I think it's

793
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 5: only up from here.

794
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 3: God bless well.

795
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: As you mentioned in in your introductory press conference over

796
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: at the upmc reny Sports Complex, you play a very

797
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: physical style of football that's gonna lend itself to some

798
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: of that stuff. But thank god, you're you're you're healthy

799
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: now and uh coming off a great game. Our guest

800
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: has been Toshaun Elliott Steelers, a strong safety.

801
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: DeShawn.

802
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: We appreciate your time here on the drive and we'll

803
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: catch up pretty soon.

804
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for sid Joe.

805
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: All right, thanks. That was Deshaun Elliott, Steelers, a strong safety,

806
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: one of the new players in that secondary this year

807
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: and on that defense and immediate impact man. Yeah. He

808
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: and Dante Jackson both picking off a pass in that

809
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: first game. We'll see if they can carry that over

810
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: into this next one. Obviously, the Steelers have been one

811
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: of the better ball hawking defenses in the league over

812
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: the last few years, and Miking Fitzpaska a big part

813
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: of that. Now they've got a strong safety that they

814
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: compare with him that looks pretty good doing that too.

815
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and our listeners obviously can tell. He's very well spoken,

816
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: smart young man too. But again, I think he's a

817
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: very high football IQ guy. You know, he breaks on

818
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: the ball, he anticipated well, did his homework obviously, I

819
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: mean he is real good understanding of the position.

820
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're gonna get to another break. He is Matt Williamson.

821
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lowy. You're listening to the Drive here

822
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with more

823
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: right after this.

824
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: At least.

825
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: He's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt williamsons on

826
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

827
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

828
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

829
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and again like to thank Deshaun Elliott, the

830
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: Steelers safety, for dropping by there.

831
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: And no doubt they can justin work a little bit here.

832
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, but yeah, good stuff from him and another

833
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: one of the guys that they've added to that locker

834
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: room who is a football lover.

835
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty obvious. Yeah, Verse people talk about

836
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: versatile players, that usually doesn't just happen because you're so gifted.

837
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: You can do a lot of things. You've been, you

838
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 3: studied a lot of different traits. You can be a plumber,

839
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: you can be an electrician because you love it, you know,

840
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: because you're born that way or whatever. And I think

841
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 3: that's certainly a trait with him. You mentioned the slot stuff,

842
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: I mentioned the single high stuff. He certainly can do too,

843
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 3: being able to do all that.

844
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nice Menca can do that stuff, right,

845
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: But we know what kind of rare athlete Menca is,

846
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, both above and below the neck.

847
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: Same.

848
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the same attributes here with

849
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: Deshaun Elliott.

850
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he mentioned I forget exactly how he said it,

851
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: but something along the lines of you can't be around

852
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: Minca and not want to get better. Yeah, you know,

853
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: like and you've been a lot more practices than I have.

854
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: But that's very apparent just watching Minca the teammates, and

855
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: I remember him and Nausey two training camps ago, two

856
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: Bama guys going at it with the obvious intentions of

857
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: being competitive like the Bama days and making everybody better.

858
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: And this the standard gets higher around those guys too.

859
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a more singularly focused player

860
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: that I've been around in that Steelers locker room over

861
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: the last fifteen to twenty years.

862
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: To make it fits Patch really, I mean he is.

863
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: He is focused business like one hundred percent of the time.

864
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: You'll see other guys and I'm not saying other guys

865
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: aren't you know, don't have aurse like approach things. I

866
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 2: don't ever see him joke around like he has a plan.

867
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: It seems like, yeah, I mean it's e three pm.

868
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing this football football, football football, and you know

869
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: you'll see other guys they're you know, joking around or stuff,

870
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: even you know after practicing. Uh, make it is one

871
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: hundred percent focused on football. This is his job, this

872
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: is what he does, and I don't I don't ever

873
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: see anything getting in a way of that. He is

874
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: just it's amazing laser focused.

875
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: I mean it certainly shows like up a training camp

876
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: was like immediately after practice, he'll go do whatever his

877
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: plan was for post practice. Well he might grab some

878
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: or somebody's come on, let's go, you know. And it's exactly,

879
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: it's very precise. It's not laughing around, okay, I mean

880
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 3: not if.

881
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: There's anything wrong with that. I mean, I get it's

882
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: a hard job.

883
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: It's great, and it sounds like he's a massive influence,

884
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: not only I'm sure the other safeties, but probably the

885
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: whole team.

886
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some guys are leaders in what they do

887
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: in addition to their deeds. I think Maca is that

888
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: he's that guy that leads a by example and what

889
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: he does. I don't see him being a big, raw

890
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: raw guy. Yeah, yeah, but man, he he gets the

891
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: most at everything he does my.

892
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: Hunches, though, he looks at your cross eyed if you're

893
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: slacking it, you know, like, because not only does Maca

894
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: want to be the best safety in the league, the

895
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: best player he possibly could be, but I think he

896
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: wants to win. And yeah, those Bama guys are pretty

897
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: used to it.

898
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I see an ultra serious dude there,

899
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: and sometimes you forget, like he's only like twenty seven,

900
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: twenty eight years old.

901
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: Like I can loose it up.

902
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but think about my age. I'm like, I wasn't

903
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: that serious about anything.

904
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: I'm still not right, all right, But I think Elliot's

905
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 3: a great addition to this secondary and helps complete the defense.

906
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: I've heard a lot of Ryan Clark comparisons as the

907
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: sidekick to another great city.

908
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: He is that enforcer type guy, but he's more than that.

909
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: He's more than that, right, Yeah, Like you never saw

910
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Ryan Clark go down and cover the slot.

911
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: Right, right. I mean I think he's a good compliment

912
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 3: to a great safety. Yeah, but I think he would

913
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: stand alone as a quality player in his own absolutely.

914
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: I think he has over the course of his career, Yeah,

915
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: for sure.

916
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: And he was obviously a priority for them. Yeah.

917
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: You know it adds a lot to that group, It

918
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: really does. And again it's kind of like the carpet.

919
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: It brings the whole room together, the dude's carpet. This

920
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: is a situation where they needed that piece because you know,

921
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: they were doing it last year and then Keanu Neal

922
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: was fine and in case, he was fine out there,

923
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: but you kind of pigeonholed Minka into something. Yeah, what

924
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: he or what he had to do when he when

925
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: he played with those guys, made up for others With Elliott,

926
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: Elliott's skill set is similar in off but you can

927
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: do anything you want with Menca.

928
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: Now you don't all have yeah, right right, we haven't

929
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: talked much about this. I know we don't have a

930
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: ton of time. And I don't think Edmunds is challenging

931
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: for Elliott John by any stretch. But what do you

932
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: think Edmund's role is here?

933
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: I could see some First of all, I think he's

934
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: a quality backup. Yeah, he's played a lot of football

935
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: with making Fitzpatrick.

936
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: I wonder if he challenges KZ for something. I could

937
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: see some dime there. Yes, he's done that in the past.

938
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: He's done that in the past. He's a bigger body guy,

939
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: can run and you know, and I think special team stuff. Yeah,

940
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: he's done a ton of that.

941
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: In his career. But he's always been fast in a

942
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: straight line and big for a safety and good of

943
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: a player to be sitting on the couch watching football game.

944
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: I think that's just what they thought, you know, like,

945
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 3: we know this guy. I can win with this guy.

946
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: Let's just bring him animal figure it out later. Yeah,

947
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: Like you think he's active this week. I would think I.

948
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: Would there's a good chance. Yeah, I think there's a

949
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: good chance. And one of the reasons why again we

950
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: mentioned it last week that a lot of those veteran guys,

951
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: you don't sign him immediately and have them on your

952
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: active roster because after week one when you sign them,

953
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: if they're on your roster for week one, you're libel

954
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: for the contract the rest of the year, no matter

955
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: what happens, whether you cut them or not. So after

956
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: week one, you go out and you get some of

957
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: these guys, these quality guys that were sitting out there.

958
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not stars, but they're quality of football players, useful. Yeah, sure,

959
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: could have used them last year. Yeah, and you get

960
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: that because you do that because now they get paid

961
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: week to week and it doesn't count for the entire season,

962
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: you know.

963
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: So it's somewhat of a loophole, but it's set up

964
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: on purpose obviously, right, right, So why not why not

965
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: at a quality body like that?

966
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

967
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy who understands and you know, knows the system.

968
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: There's not a law.

969
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: There's not a lot a learning curve there, Like if

970
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 2: you're bringing somebody else in, they take some multiple weeks

971
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: to learn the defense. No, it's real umans that they're

972
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: playing the same defense they played when he was here.

973
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: And I didn't put two and two together that Jackson,

974
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: Elliott Edmonds were all at the combine together. They're all

975
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: doing and make that, Yeah, all doing defensive back drills together.

976
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: You got all those guys who were in there in

977
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: that same prime of their careers too, So there's something

978
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: to be said for that.

979
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. They're not old, but they're not rookies either. Yeah.

980
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, they've been around the block a few times.

981
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to another break. That's gonna do it

982
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: for our number one of the drive here on the

983
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back with our

984
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: number two right after this