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Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? John Middlecoff Three and Out podcast

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Speaker 1: brought to you live by the Colin Coward Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Big show coming up today. Obviously, Patrick Mahomes is taking

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Speaker 1: the league by storm. Will will dive into that, dive

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Speaker 1: into some of the dysfunctional teams that are really holding

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Speaker 1: on by a thread. And we're only heading into week three. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We're not. We're not even just a little past the

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Speaker 1: midway point of September. So some some teams have major

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Speaker 1: problems right now. Some thoughts on Josh Gordon and New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots and Bill Belichick trading for him, a couple

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Speaker 1: of teams that I think actually have a chance to

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Speaker 1: be good, that are good right now, and a couple

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Speaker 1: of bad teams that you know, I think you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get much worse than of course Middlecoff mail bag. Probably

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Speaker 1: the easiest way, uh, moving forward is to go on

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Speaker 1: m s and I will answer him, uh in the

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Speaker 1: podcast at the end. We do Middlecoff mail bagg every day,

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Speaker 1: But I want to start with Patrick Mahomes. I got

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Speaker 1: a good buddy actually got married this weekend, uh who

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Speaker 1: or I mean not this weekend, but a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago. He's actually on his honeymoon and he's on

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Speaker 1: katosis and he's been doing this katosis, this keto diet,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of the crazier diets. I know a

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Speaker 1: couple of people that do it. It's like, you don't eat,

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Speaker 1: you do not eat during the day. It's not like

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Speaker 1: the Atkins diet where you just don't eat carbs. You

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Speaker 1: literally don't eat breakfast or lunch, and all you do

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Speaker 1: is eat at night, and you're like body constantly burns

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Speaker 1: fat and you just get jacked. It has to be

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Speaker 1: one of the least sustainable diets in the history of diets.

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Speaker 1: No breakfast, no lunch, you just grub a dinner and

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Speaker 1: he's jacked. I mean, it works, but to me, it's

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Speaker 1: not a sustainable diet. And I know a couple other

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Speaker 1: people do it. They dropped a bunch of pounds of like,

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Speaker 1: damn this keto diet, and I tried it for a

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Speaker 1: damn so damn hungry by the second day at lunch,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is stupid. I mean, this is this

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Speaker 1: is not realistic. Uh, it's why if you just go

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Speaker 1: to the gym and eat well, that is a sustainable

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Speaker 1: way to you know, look decent. And I was thinking

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs. They reminded me

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the Golden State Warriors, who like

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Speaker 1: remember when they first came on the scene, it was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's just a fad, like the Keto diet. They're just

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Speaker 1: hitting threes. Now. Actually they played defense and they don't

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Speaker 1: choose as many threes as you think. The difference is

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Speaker 1: when they shoot threes, they hit a hyph percentage. They

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Speaker 1: are not a fad. They never were a fad. They

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Speaker 1: are asked kickers. They what they do is sustainable. They

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Speaker 1: play defense, they play hard, and they shoot threes at

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Speaker 1: an incredibly high percentage. Anyone in the barry that watched

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Speaker 1: the Warriors from the jump and this is like two

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Speaker 1: thou fourteen knew that what they were doing where they did.

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Speaker 1: People think they're gonna win all these championships. At the time,

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Speaker 1: we didn't know if Kevin Durant was gonna come, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know, but what they were not going to go away.

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Speaker 1: The Clay and Steph were a sustainable model. And when

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Speaker 1: I watched Patrick Mahomes, a lot of people are just like,

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Speaker 1: it's just a fat He's just thrown it deep. He

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Speaker 1: just he's gonna flame out, because that's in America, sports,

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Speaker 1: in anything when any whenever someone has success, people love

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Speaker 1: to tear him down. He is not that good. No,

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Speaker 1: actually is pretty damn good. Is he gonna have rough moments?

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Speaker 1: Of course? Is he a fat? No chance. He has

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Speaker 1: one of the most consistent coaches in the NFL. And

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid a guy that's proven over and over and

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Speaker 1: the Hunt's uh. The original Hunt's name, Lamar Hunt. Lamar

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Speaker 1: Hunt obviously an NFL staple for a long time founder

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Speaker 1: the Cancie Chiefs. You look at what Patrick Mahomes has

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Speaker 1: around him. Tyree Kill one of the most unique players

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Speaker 1: This is not the Keto diet, you know, John Middlekoff.

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Speaker 1: I can't pull off the Keto diet. You know why

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Speaker 1: because I'm like most people. It's not a sustainable way

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Speaker 1: they gonna make the playoffs this year? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Are they gonna have some rough moments? Is Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: bound to have like a three pick game? Of course?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna have some rough moments? One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: playing at a high level. He has an elite arm,

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Speaker 1: He's accurate. His best attribute is a deep ball well.

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Speaker 1: He has two elite deep receivers. He has a tight

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Speaker 1: Naggy guy. I love nag He's my guy, but my

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Speaker 1: just incorporated these college offenses. He still has a fullback.

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Speaker 1: When push comes to shove, he will run power down

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Speaker 1: I struggled to do that just because Brett farr is

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. But there is no

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Speaker 1: disputing he has the most eye popping, eye opening arm

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Speaker 1: talent in the NFL. And it's not just gonna randomly disappear.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's like you watch Steph Curry and Clay Thompson,

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Speaker 1: oh God, they just get hot some games. No, they

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Speaker 1: get hot every game. And you know what else Clay

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Speaker 1: He's not a great defender, but he tries really hard.

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Speaker 1: So once you surrounded him with other great players, they

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Speaker 1: just dominated. Mahomes is lucky enough. He's just coming into

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Speaker 1: just call them a super Bowl team. But I know this.

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Speaker 1: They have one of the best coaches in the league.

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Speaker 1: They have players everywhere, and just this quarterback that there

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Speaker 1: You know what good quarterbacks look like. Remember when Carson

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Speaker 1: to me with what Mahomes is doing is the hardest

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Speaker 1: thing typically to do is consistently pushed the ball down

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Speaker 1: two weeks. But what he does, like, I know for

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Speaker 1: a fact they're gonna be able to run short intermediate

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Speaker 1: was the knock on Jimmy Garoppol last year. Canny completed

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Speaker 1: Charlie Horson. We haven't seen him in two weeks. His

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Speaker 1: best wide receiver is Dante Pettis, who was the second

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Speaker 1: round pick. Peregresson looks old like most quarterbacks. I was

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Speaker 1: here in the Bay Area Derek Car's rookie year. Worst

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Speaker 1: Brian Westbrooks, Do Staley's and Torrell Owens. But in Chad Lewis,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch it every week because I

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Speaker 1: this is not a fad. It's not gonna be like

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Speaker 1: one of these diets that go away. They are the

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors right now. Football now, it took a

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors got knocked out. Remember the first time

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Speaker 1: they ever made the playoffs, Stephan Clay, They knocked off

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Speaker 1: the Denver Nuggets. The next series, they lost to San

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Speaker 1: Antonio's first The following season, they lost to the to

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Speaker 1: the Clippers in the first round of seven games. Mahomes

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Speaker 1: just you kind of know when you see it. And

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson last year was a little less sustainable. He

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Speaker 1: made a lot of his plays running around Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: in defenders. You're gonna get knocked out. I'm watching Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: He's kicking ass from the pocket from behind the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage, which is by far the most important attribute

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Speaker 1: win team. No, they should not be. They might end

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Speaker 1: up being, but they have No, they should not end

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Speaker 1: up with that amount of wins like that. That's embarrassment

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Speaker 1: and it kind of feels like they're headed that way.

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Speaker 1: The Browns, the Raiders, Uh, they're just they just can't

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Speaker 1: get out of their own way. Man. I I have

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Speaker 1: a business philosophy. If I was if I was a GM,

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Speaker 1: if I was running a team, and then some people

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Speaker 1: are gonna be like Middlecoff, you don't have any compassion. Well,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the private sector, you gotta be

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Speaker 1: careful about having too much compassion because it will bite

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Speaker 1: you in the ask. I would not do business. I

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Speaker 1: would not sign an employee. Hell, even if I wasn't

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Speaker 1: running team, I was running a business. If I had

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff LLC, and I knew you were an addict,

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Speaker 1: I would not sign you, I would not employ you.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I don't feel for you. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: I don't understand where you're I'm from. I've been around

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Speaker 1: addicts before, different walks of life. I get it. But

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Speaker 1: if I'm doing business with you, I would not do

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Speaker 1: business with you. If I know it now, I think

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Speaker 1: there are different, you know, legal ramifications like I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you can ask about certain things. I get that,

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying if I knew, and in the

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Speaker 1: NFL we know Josh Gordon is an addict and he's

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Speaker 1: got issues, I would not have messed with him. Now,

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Speaker 1: Belichick has more equity than any coach probably in league

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Speaker 1: history to do really whatever he wants, so him trading

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Speaker 1: for him is not shocking, and they need wide receiver help.

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Speaker 1: I will just say this, I'm I'm not gonna spend

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Speaker 1: that much time on Josh Gordon, mainly because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: really deserve it. In the last four years, Josh Gordon

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Speaker 1: has played six games. Can I repeat that? He's had

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Speaker 1: four years six games, two touchdowns. That's not the last

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Speaker 1: two weeks. Last four years, six games, two touchdowns. So

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Speaker 1: this notion in the hype on Josh Gordon, like he's

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Speaker 1: one of these all time great players, is just a fallacy.

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Speaker 1: He does not play in games, whether it's because you suspended,

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Speaker 1: whether it's because he doesn't show up, whether it's because

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Speaker 1: who knows what. I just know when the game kicks

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Speaker 1: off Sunday morning, if you're on the West coast, ten am,

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Speaker 1: one o'clock Sunday night, if you play Thursday or Monday,

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Speaker 1: he is usually not there. So I look around, I go,

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Speaker 1: where are my players? I just I know that Josh

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Speaker 1: Gordon more than likely it's just not gonna be around. Now.

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Speaker 1: He's one of those players in the NFL circles like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, you see Josh Gordon's talent. Yeah, talent

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Speaker 1: is great. A lot of players are talented. He is

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Speaker 1: not dependable. Then you know he has all these issues

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Speaker 1: that the Cleveland Browns did a like they held on

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Speaker 1: for way too long. They should have got rid of

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Speaker 1: him two years ago. But the talent, UH clearly overwhelms

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Speaker 1: most general managers and most coaches. That's as it should

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Speaker 1: that this is This is not a moral compass, ly clear.

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Speaker 1: This is a league of talent, and if you can play,

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Speaker 1: you get chances, multiple chances. Here's the problem. He's not

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Speaker 1: ever available. It's one thing if you're talented and you're

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Speaker 1: just kind of an underachiever. You know, if I just

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Speaker 1: think I can coach up like I don't even have

484
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Speaker 1: the ability to do any of this stuff because he's

485
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Speaker 1: never around and he's one joint away from being banished

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Speaker 1: from the league. Uh. The Belichick uh you know program

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Speaker 1: and the way they operate in New England is you know,

488
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Speaker 1: it's well documented. It's way stricter than every team in

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Speaker 1: the league. It's way more intensive just in terms of

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Speaker 1: what the coaches asked from you. I'm not even specifically

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Speaker 1: talking about what the offense asked for you. How complicated

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Speaker 1: the offensive verbiage is the standard in which Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 1: and Tom Brady hold of every player in that unit.

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Speaker 1: Like I I just think that for a guy who's

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Speaker 1: played four games or excuse me, six games, four years,

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Speaker 1: nineteen catches, two touchdowns, to think that he will sniff

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Speaker 1: having any impact for the New England Patriots would be crazy.

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Speaker 1: I am expecting him not to be on the team

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Speaker 1: by like October one. I mean, seriously, if you told

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Speaker 1: me that, I mean in all seriousness, if you told

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Speaker 1: me that Josh Gordon is on the New England Patriots

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Speaker 1: in November, I'll be shocked. I'll come back on this

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Speaker 1: podcast three and out. John Midelkoff listen wherever your podcasts

504
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Speaker 1: are found, and say I was way wrong, because I

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Speaker 1: I think it'll make it like two weeks. No coach

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Speaker 1: has consistently shown either to like get rid of you

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Speaker 1: in a heartbeat, regardless how good you are. And Josh Gordon, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's talented. I guess he can run. He's never available

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's just gonna learn this offense.

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Speaker 1: There are also been knocks on how much this guy

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Speaker 1: loves football so on top of him being an addict

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Speaker 1: and having substance issues. And again I'm not anti eat.

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Speaker 1: Don't get I live in California. Smoke all you want.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I had no issue with it, but the

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Speaker 1: the NFL does. You can't smoke in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: stay employed and not get in trouble. And then when

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Speaker 1: you factor that in with not really liking football, it's

518
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Speaker 1: a problem. You know, like Vante Davis quit in the

519
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Speaker 1: middle of the game, like part of the NFL, part

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Speaker 1: of and I know all the players love saying this,

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Speaker 1: and this the the NFL, the media love saying this

522
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Speaker 1: now too. Is like you knows it's the players, right,

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Speaker 1: the team would get rid of them quickly. Yeah, I

524
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Speaker 1: mean it's part of the industry. It's an industry that

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Speaker 1: pays more to young people than any business in America

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Speaker 1: besides like basketball and baseball. So there is no place

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Speaker 1: in any job where twenty five year old unless he

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Speaker 1: starts his own company, which means that he would take

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Speaker 1: on a bunch of liability. So an employee that has

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Speaker 1: zero liability beside his body. And but it's that you

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Speaker 1: could make that much money. It does not exist, not

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Speaker 1: in America, not in anywhere in the world. So this

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Speaker 1: notion that like that the owners are screwing the players. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the players are benefiting to you know, it's called a

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Speaker 1: win win partnership. Everyone's getting rich. I got news for you.

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Speaker 1: The owners always get richer than richer than the employees.

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Speaker 1: So the employee that makes hell ten million dollars, the

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Speaker 1: the owners always making five hunter. That's just that's the

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Speaker 1: way the structure in our country works. But I know this,

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Speaker 1: Josh Gordon has made money and done nothing to think

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Speaker 1: that he's gonna somehow go to New England and have

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Speaker 1: success when countless guys, especially older veterans, have gotten in

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Speaker 1: there haven't been able to play. Remember Ojo Sinkle could

544
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: not learn the offense. Belichick thinks you're shot. He just

545
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Speaker 1: gets rid of you immediately, whether it's Reggie Wayne, Eric Decker.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't think Josh Gordon is physically shot, but

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Speaker 1: when it comes to mentally, just to think that he's

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Speaker 1: gonna understand this playbook by Sunday. But the New England

549
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Speaker 1: Patriots don't just like give you two plays and I

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Speaker 1: a dress you on Sunday and we just have like

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00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: two plays in the playbook for you. That's not how

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Speaker 1: they have historically operated. So I'm expecting nothing out of

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Speaker 1: Josh Gordon. I get why Belichick did this, but I'm

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Speaker 1: a little Josh Gordon doubt and I'm kind of ready

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Speaker 1: for him to go away. Let's get into the middle

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Speaker 1: Coff mail bag again. You can go to iTunes and

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Speaker 1: leave a review and I'll get to that. Probably the

558
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Speaker 1: easiest way moving forward is slide up into Instagram at

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, slide into my d m s, leave a

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Speaker 1: question and I'll get to it. I kind of wrote

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Speaker 1: my own question because I think after two weeks, we

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Speaker 1: we usually have probably a couple of random teams that

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Speaker 1: are two and oh. And when I say random teams,

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Speaker 1: we didn't expect to be two and oh, and a

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Speaker 1: couple of teams owing two that I don't think we

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Speaker 1: expect to be owing two either. And I just wrote

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Speaker 1: down my own little middlecof mail back question. Better chance

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Speaker 1: to be good? Bucks are Bengals hatter chance to not

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Speaker 1: be good? The Texans are the Raiders. Start with the

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Speaker 1: Bucks and Bengals, like, say what you want. Fitzpatrick's throwing

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Speaker 1: back to back games with four hund yards of four touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: That's eight hundred plus yards and eight touchdowns. They have weapons,

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans, superstar, DeShawn still Fly, O J Howard good, uh,

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Speaker 1: jamis train wreck. I think the Bucks. I actually think

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Speaker 1: the Bucks and Bengals might be good. But if I

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Speaker 1: had to pick, you would say the Bucks probably come

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Speaker 1: back to earth a little bit. Why because the division

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Speaker 1: is hard, Atlanta solid, Carolina's solid. The Saints, I know

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Speaker 1: they've got off to a weird start, but they are good,

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Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be hard for the Bucks to win

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Speaker 1: games in that division. I mean, they still have five

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Speaker 1: divisional opponents. They play the Saints Week one, but they

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Speaker 1: still got to play five more NFC South games, so

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Speaker 1: you know they're gonna lose probably three of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's inevitable. And once Jamis comes back,

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Speaker 1: say what you want, it's gonna be a little weird

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Speaker 1: because Fitzpatrick's gonna cont You need to start. I do

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Speaker 1: think when you look at the Bengals, Steelers are in shambles.

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Speaker 1: There oh one and one. Levian bell Is who knows

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Speaker 1: when he's gonna come back. Antonio's already causing problems. Their

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Speaker 1: defense is atrocious. They're already talks about Mike Tomlin. You

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Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with him that. I do think

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, the Raven stink. The Browns are awful, Like,

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Speaker 1: why couldn't they win the division? Why couldn't they go

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Speaker 1: ten and six, eleven and five and win the division? Now,

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Speaker 1: Joe Mixing getting hurt is a problem. Anyone that's watched

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Speaker 1: the Bengals through the first two weeks. He's important. When

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Speaker 1: he's on the field. He kicks as because he's a

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Speaker 1: sweet player, but when you factor him in with G

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Speaker 1: O with a J, like they got good players. You know.

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Speaker 1: I like the Bengals roster defensively, they got some dudes.

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Speaker 1: Their defensive line is legit. I do like the Bengals

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Speaker 1: better chance to not be good Texas and the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people thought that Texas were

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Speaker 1: gonna win the division. Uh, Deshaun Watson come back from

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Speaker 1: a c O. He has not been good. I've always

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Speaker 1: liked Bill O'Brien, but this is kind of getting off

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Speaker 1: to a rough start. You know, the Raiders at least

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Speaker 1: have somewhat of excuse getting rid of Cleil Mack. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the Texas excuse are. They They've been

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Speaker 1: pretty healthy, they got all these guys back on defense.

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Speaker 1: You obviously got to Sean back DeAndre Hopkins, like you

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Speaker 1: should be better. I just it's started to line up

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Speaker 1: like the Texas are gonna have a rough season. I

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Speaker 1: do think when you looked at the Raiders game against Denver,

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Speaker 1: who it's really hard to win in Denver. It was

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Speaker 1: the hottest game in Denver Bronco history. It's like almost

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Speaker 1: a hundred degrees unheard of the heat, so when you

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Speaker 1: factor in the heat and the the altitude a problem.

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Speaker 1: I I do think the Raiders can bounce back a

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Speaker 1: little bit their next couple of games Miami Cleveland not

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Speaker 1: an ideal Miami. Uh They're going to the East coast

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Speaker 1: playing a ten am game. The following week, they get

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Speaker 1: Cleveland at home, but they're coming off a Thursday game.

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Speaker 1: But I do think they could rattle off a couple

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Speaker 1: of wins. They still have a max quarterback. I have

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Speaker 1: not written off Derek. He's still a really good player.

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Speaker 1: MARII still has a chance to be a superstar. Like

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Speaker 1: that's that's real. Uh So, I think the Texans are

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Speaker 1: staring down, you know, another five six win season, and

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Speaker 1: I is Bill Brian gonna get fired? Probably not, but

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Speaker 1: he's definitely gonna be on the hot seat. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to uh my my mail bag here, let's get too iTunes. Hello, John.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes quarterbacks get criticized for holding the ball too long

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Speaker 1: and not throwing the ball away, But some quarterbacks throw

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Speaker 1: the ball away when there are not no open receivers.

637
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: They get criticized for not giving the receivers a chance

638
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: to fight for the ball. Pretty good question. What is

639
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: your take on that I. I think it all depends

640
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: on the play. Uh sometimes and depending on the time

641
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: of the game. You know. I like quarterbacks that force

642
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: balls into places. It's why I don't really have a

643
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: problem with interceptions. Interceptions do not bother me because if

644
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna throw interceptions, it means you are willing the

645
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: force balls in tight windows, which you have to do.

646
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're throwing I think how

647
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: many picks at Alex Smith throw last year, like five?

648
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: Typically when you have a five interceptions a season, a

649
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: six interception season, it means you're not being that aggressive

650
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: with the football. I don't mind double digit picks now

651
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: and I and I don't mind throwing the ball sometimes

652
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: away when it just when you just have a feel

653
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: nothing is gonna be there. Uh. It's it's the hardest

654
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: position to criticize, just in general, and we all do

655
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: it because it's that's what's fun to do in football.

656
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: Because you don't know the plays. When you're watching on television,

657
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: you can't truly tell who's open. A lot of times

658
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: you have to throw a guy open. It's it's really complicated.

659
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: But I will always live with a quarterback that forces

660
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: balls into tight places because he believes in his wide receiver.

661
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: He believes in his arm, like my home's gonna throw picks.

662
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna throw picks. Car's gonna throw some picks.

663
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I can live with picks. That's that's a good thing

664
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Let's get to some more mail back

665
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: questions that that was actually from Mark Davis, not the

666
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: owner of the Raiders. Why don't the Steelers just cut

667
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: or trade? Levian Bell I think the reason they don't

668
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: cut them is ego, because if you cut them, you're

669
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: losing a great asset for nothing. And in the NFL,

670
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: which is a business, you never want to do that.

671
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: It's why I like when Chip Kelly just cut de

672
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: Sean Jackson. It was stupid, it was moronic. You don't

673
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 1: just cut a high level asset for nothing. But they're

674
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: far enough up the river where it does feel like

675
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: they're just gonna lose him for you know, at best,

676
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: a compensit story. Pick now, someone would to me give

677
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: him some money, probably a couple of years, thirty million

678
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: dollars front load of the deal, like the Jets. So

679
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: depending on who you sign, the way the compensed story

680
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Speaker 1: pick goes. It's like a balance of free agency. You

681
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Speaker 1: lose free agency, you sign at what money number. So

682
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: if Levian got a ton of money and they didn't

683
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: sign a bunch of free agents, and typically the Steelers don't, uh,

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Speaker 1: they would probably get a third round pick. So if

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Speaker 1: you're the Steelers right now, no one is offering you,

686
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: I would imagine a second round pick. You'd have to

687
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: be insane to offer the Steelers a second round pick

688
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: right now because part of getting Levian Bell, like why

689
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: would he show up to your team again if you

690
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Speaker 1: do not give him a new contract. Now, if you

691
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Speaker 1: are willing to give him a new contract, I still

692
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Speaker 1: couldn't give him a second round pick because I can

693
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: just draft a running back in the second round for

694
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: way cheaper. But I do think teams would be willing

695
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Speaker 1: to give up a third rounder for Levian Bell because

696
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: it's the third rounder. You know, we get him, then

697
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Speaker 1: we re sign him whatever I get it, you know,

698
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: for a short period of time, like the Jets. I

699
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: think the Jets are a good example. But if you're

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Speaker 1: the if you're the Steelers, why wouldn't you just hopefully

701
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: he comes back and then get a third round pick?

702
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: For when he walks. Now, the argument might be is,

703
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: why do you want to keep dealing with this drama.

704
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: It's just a pain in the ass. You're clearly your

705
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Don't like him. He's not giving you anything

706
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: right now because he is not there. James Conner looks

707
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: like he's a starting running back and it's just solid.

708
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: I would not cut him, but I would think about

709
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Speaker 1: if you could just get a third round pick, just

710
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: move on. You've got what five years out of him,

711
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: You've bend the ups and the downs. You paid him

712
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: a lot of money. He clearly does not plan on

713
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Speaker 1: showing up anytime soon. I think we're all a little shocked.

714
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: We thought he'd be here before this, but he doesn't

715
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: look like he's coming. But he has to show up

716
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Speaker 1: by week ten to make sure he gets that season

717
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: so he can til the free agency. Uh. But I

718
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: think teams know that. So maybe teams would be like,

719
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: for you a fourth You know, they put themselves in

720
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: a bad spot. It's why teams desperately try to avoid

721
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: the franchise tag for the second time, because the leverage

722
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: as a team in terms of getting rid of a

723
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: player is lost, and you're kind of a no man's land,

724
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: and and Levian is kind of a no man's land.

725
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: It's just a shitty position for both both parties. And

726
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: it could have been avoided. It wasn't. It wasn't handled

727
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: perfect by either side. Levian should have signed the long

728
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: term deal last year. The Steelers should have made sure

729
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: it got done so they didn't have to go down

730
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: this road. Now they're just in limbo where it's like

731
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Speaker 1: he's not there. He's not helping the team, The team's

732
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: piste off, there's much of his function going on. It's

733
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: a it's a problem. And to think that if the

734
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Speaker 1: Steelers missed the playoffs, this whole scenario one hundred percent

735
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: played into it. It was announced earlier this week that

736
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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz would be starting for the Philadelphiagles. Question, how

737
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: big will the Carson Wentz returned? B Uh, It's clearly

738
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty big. But I caution everyone a little

739
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: bit with this. We've seen it with Deshaun Watson. Hell,

740
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: we've seen it with countless players. Everyone looks at a

741
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: c L injuries and the first thing they think of

742
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: it Adrian Peterson. You just get an a c L

743
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: injury and you come back hit the ground running that

744
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: is not normal. Turns out Adrian Peterson all time physical

745
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: anomaly freak. Carson Wentz one of the things he hung

746
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: his hat on was moving around behind the pocket, breaking

747
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: tackles and throwing balls down the field, Like is he

748
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: just gonna come back and do that. Here's the other

749
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: thing with the Eagles. Al Sean Jeffrey is nowhere to

750
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: be found. He's hurt. Well. He was a pretty big

751
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: part of of Carson's success last year. So who's their

752
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: receivers right now? They're depending on Nelson Agler. Good player,

753
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: but he's good when he's your third option. When you

754
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: have al Sean Ertz and Nelson, and again, it kind

755
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: of rolls downhill. Once you remove one guy, it's easier

756
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: to focus on Earth's and then you can kind of

757
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: take away Nelson. So my expectations are kind of low.

758
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: And I'm a Carson Wentz homer. I love Carson Wentz,

759
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: like my favorite player in the league. But I'm not

760
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: expecting that much because I'm realistic. I I just don't

761
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: think that you can just rip your a c L

762
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: and come back and have zero signs that you were

763
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: ever injured. One guy did that everyone else has shown

764
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: signs that like, yeah, there's a little harder than you think.

765
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Speaker 1: I think we're getting a great example with Deshaun Watson.

766
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Now I think Carson Wentz a better player than Deshaun Watson.

767
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: But still it shows you how difficult it is that

768
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: isn't there also a mental hurdle, like you've been hurt. Uh,

769
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Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to overcome something you never know.

770
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Speaker 1: And I saw Doug Peterson talking about this earlier in

771
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: the week week that you know, it's one thing to

772
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Speaker 1: practice and have the live game reps, I mean a

773
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: live practice reps. It's another thing to have game reps

774
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: where the defensive lineman quote unquote can hit you. They

775
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: can't really, but they still can and you have to

776
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: run at full speed. So I'm not expecting much. I

777
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: think in a couple of weeks, in a month, he'll

778
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: look a lot better. But these first couple of weeks,

779
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: if he doesn't look good, I won't be shocked. And

780
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: I think that's okay, And I think it's fair to say, well,

781
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: of course, you know he tours a c L. It's

782
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: not like you tore it two years ago. He tore

783
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Speaker 1: it last year in the middle towards the end of

784
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: the season. You know, now the Eagles couldn't keep going

785
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: with Nick Foles. He's not playing well enough. He got

786
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: super hot in the playoffs, but you couldn't continue with it.

787
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: He he looks terrible. So you need Carson Wentz back

788
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: from an on the field standpoint, but you need Carson

789
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: Wentz of last year back with the Carson Wentz's coming.

790
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how legit is. Philip Lindsay

791
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: and can he be a viable starter? Philip Lindsay running

792
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: back Denver Broncos, who just looks fantastic. I talked about

793
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: this with Mahomes. When you watch a player, there are

794
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: sustainable attributes at running back instincts, short area burst, and

795
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: the ability to break tackles and run hard. Translate, he

796
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: does all those things. Uh. Now, the Raiders defense is

797
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 1: not great. Seattle's defense not great either, so we'll see

798
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: as he plays. You know, the Chargers not granted. I

799
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: mean the division's defenses are not good because Kansas City's

800
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: defense is not good. The Raiders defense isn't good. Chargers

801
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: defense is good, but they're they're gonna play some teams

802
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: this year who's they play the Niners, You're gonna play

803
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: some defenses they just aren't great, So why could he

804
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: not continue this? I think Philip Lindsay is a great

805
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: example of why you never take a running back that

806
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: high because you can get guys later in the draft

807
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: hell as an undrafted free agents that not only make

808
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: your team, but they can run for eighty to a

809
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: hud yards every game and get you a touchdown and

810
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: that you just throw on the television. You go gotta

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00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: they draft this guy in the second round. No guys,

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00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: gon un draft a free agent. He looks better than

813
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: their fourth round pick that is also good. And I

814
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: think it's the big knock ultimately on the you know,

815
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: on the New York Giants taking uh taking Sae Kwon Barkley,

816
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: the guys, you could have got a running back in

817
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Speaker 1: the second round, in the third round, in the fourth round,

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00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: it would look really good. Again, I love Sa Kwan Barkley.

819
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: And this isn't necessarily on st Kwon Barkley, but you

820
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: can just find these Philip Lindsay's characters and all of

821
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: a sudden you'll look back in five years and you go, God,

822
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Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay had a seven year career for you know,

823
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Speaker 1: his first four years the average over a thousand yards

824
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Speaker 1: a season, played special teams, and caught the football. You

825
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: can find those guys consistently. You gotta give out away

826
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: credit because he drafted Royce Freeman, he landed a local

827
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: guy from the University of Colorado. Looks like a stud.

828
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Speaker 1: So can he be a viable starter? Hell? Yeah, you

829
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: know I've seen enough his what he brings to the table. Now,

830
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Speaker 1: Canny stay healthy. That that's the major question. If he

831
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: stays healthy, he is going to be productive in this

832
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: league because he can run. He runs hard, he can

833
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: make guys miss who run through tackles. Uh, and he's

834
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: just an instinctive runner. He's a good player. Buddy with

835
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: the Bears told me when they joint practice, and I

836
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: was like, God, this guy was making plays in practice,

837
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: that was in training camp. Then he's doing doing in

838
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: the games. I'm betting on this kid. He's not gonna

839
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: go away. John Elway deserves credit. Every year we see

840
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: this team's land undrafted free agent running backs that look

841
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: good and it becomes starters in this league for years.

842
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: So I think Philip Lindsay has an excellent chance of

843
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: being that guy. Thanks again everyone for listening. Week We're

844
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Speaker 1: headed into week three. God, the NFL season is flying by.

845
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: Exciting time. Uh. You can always slide up in my

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