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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We've got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different stories that we are chasing today. President Trump

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Speaker 1: had a multi hour long call with Vladimir Putin. The

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Speaker 1: impact of that call, according to President Trump's statements, are

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Speaker 1: that there will be a meeting between Trump and Putin

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Speaker 1: in Budapest and that there will be a meeting very

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Speaker 1: soon between high level advisors the United States. Initial meeting

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Speaker 1: will be led, according to President Trump, by Secretary of

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Speaker 1: State Marco Rubio, and a meeting location to be determined.

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Speaker 1: So the goal there to try and end the war

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Speaker 1: that is taking place right now in Ukraine. President Trump

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Speaker 1: writing a great deal of momentum off of the release

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Speaker 1: of the hostages and the positive directions that things are

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Speaker 1: moving in that context. Now, we also have John Fetterman

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Speaker 1: potentially facing a Senate challenge for not being committed enough

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Speaker 1: to crazy left wing ideals. That is according to an

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Speaker 1: Axios report. We've been talking about Mom Donnie making his

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Speaker 1: initial appearance on Fox News, Martha McCollum asking the big

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Speaker 1: questions of Mom Donnie and Mom Donnie being frankly very

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Speaker 1: good at dodging responsibility for much of his public commentary.

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Speaker 1: Now he did say, Buck, and I think we have

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Speaker 1: this audio. I want to make sure we pull it up.

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Speaker 1: He did publicly apologize to police officers for saying that

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Speaker 1: he had previously said they should be defunded. He also

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Speaker 1: said it was too early to give Trump credit for

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Speaker 1: the Gaza peace deal, and so so let me hit

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Speaker 1: a couple of those.

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Speaker 2: Here is cut twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Martha McCollum says, hey, does President Trump deserve credit for

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Speaker 1: the peace deal? And Mom Donnie said it's too early,

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Speaker 1: cut twenty three.

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Speaker 3: I continue to have concerns because I've seen reports still

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Speaker 3: just this in the last few days, that five Palestinians

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Speaker 3: were killed by the Israeli military. And that's what gives

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Speaker 3: me pause about issuing any kind of praise or celebration

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Speaker 3: at a moment when it is still so in its infancy.

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Speaker 3: And what I will tell you is that in that

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Speaker 3: same moment, it is also one that requires a focus

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Speaker 3: on ensuring that that hope, that belief in a better

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Speaker 3: future is one that is emblematic in our policies right

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Speaker 3: here in New York City as well. And that's what

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Speaker 3: we're hoping to lead with Willie. Would you give President

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Speaker 3: Trump credit or not to any extent credit or not.

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Speaker 4: I think it's too early to do so, too early

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Speaker 3: But if it proves to be something that is lasting,

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Speaker 3: something that is durable, then I think that that's where

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Speaker 5: Can I just one quick thing, Clay, because we talked

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Speaker 5: about it. He's saying, the five Palestinians were killed. Where's

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Speaker 5: the outrage, where's the condemnation, or even just the conversation

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Speaker 5: about the public executions, you know, summary judgment and execution

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Speaker 5: of captives by Hamas that occurred in the last twenty

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Speaker 5: four hours. I mean, they're they're they're bounding and gag

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Speaker 5: you know, gagging, tying up, blindfolding, and shooting people in

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Speaker 5: I don't see any of these people that are so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think it's funny the way this

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Speaker 1: is covered. Uh there's a big article in New York

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Speaker 1: Times about Mom Donnie going on, uh the Martha McCollum show.

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Speaker 1: Here's a couple of the paragraphs. This is how The

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Speaker 1: New York Times covered it. Since mister mom Donnie's rapid

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Speaker 1: rise to the top of New York City politics, Fox

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Speaker 1: News has led a right wing media effort to characterize

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Speaker 1: him as an avatar of the Democrat Party grown to

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Speaker 1: beholden to its factions on the far left. The network's

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Speaker 1: contributors often point to his thin political experience, past comments

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Speaker 1: New York's wealthiest residents as both disqualifying and dangerous to

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Speaker 1: New York City, America's largest financial center. Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: all very accurate, and it's it's written as if it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, can you believe all the crazy things

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Speaker 1: they say on Fox News about mom Donnie. He wants

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Speaker 1: is AOC. And I wanted to play this for you, Buck.

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Speaker 1: This was last night Bernie Sanders and AOC had a

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Speaker 6: When they talk about Republicans and their success online, they

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Speaker 1: Online, get get away with this is they have no

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Speaker 1: hope for young men. I mean, I just wrote a

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Speaker 1: this is not a good pitch. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: AOC is very aware of how the internet works. Based

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Speaker 1: on that answer, I want AOC to be the great

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Speaker 1: commie splainer of masculinity for the Democrats. I want her

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Speaker 1: they have been through men, particularly now in their twenties.

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Speaker 1: They've been through the COVID shutdowns and the complete eradication

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Speaker 1: They've been through CNN doing documentaries about how college campuses

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Speaker 4: That's what they're saying.

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Speaker 5: They've been through all of this, and they know that

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Speaker 5: something is really wrong with the Democrat Party. And if

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Speaker 5: the Democrat Party's response is going to be no, actually,

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Speaker 5: your toxic masculinity is the problem.

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Speaker 4: Great, stay with that. Stay on that.

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Speaker 5: Democrats have AOC tell young men how they should really

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Speaker 5: it's because they're sexist and racist. Love it, keep it going,

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Speaker 5: Blast it.

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Speaker 2: From the rooftops.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what she did. And cut nineteen buck. She's

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Speaker 6: They are able to radicalize and target and exploit a

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Speaker 2: Nature, toxic masculinity.

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Speaker 1: And I think about this all the time because I've

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Speaker 1: We don't talk ever. Have you ever heard anybody talk

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Speaker 1: But young men have been told their entire lives that

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Speaker 5: And you can just see this all around, Clay. It's

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Speaker 7: Buck News and politics, but also a little comic relief.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back into Clayn Buck. Caroline Levitt, White House Press

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Speaker 5: Secretary throwing a haymaker today. She does that a lot.

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Speaker 5: Actually not like it's just another Thursday. I guess this

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Speaker 8: The Democrat Party's main constituency are made up of Hamas, terrorists,

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Speaker 8: the White House and not the Republican Party, who is

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Speaker 5: Clay, if someone's gonna like hamas, illegals and violent criminals,

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Speaker 1: Well, they're wrong on everything, and that's why I was

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Speaker 1: saying with Mom Donnie, you need an articulate voice who

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Speaker 1: I think they see Gavin Newsom as that, right, somebody

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Speaker 1: really funny how many different buttons has Gavin Newsom undone

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Speaker 2: Indeed, uh and uh, down to the navel.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in.

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Speaker 1: Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you.

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Speaker 2: Hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: As we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hit this because the conversation we just

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Speaker 1: She has got a twenty one year old son. She's

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Speaker 1: listening on in the Twin Cities on News Talk eleven

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Speaker 1: thirty one oh three point five Radio appreciate everybody up

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Speaker 1: actually a huge part of why so many young men

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Speaker 1: Let's play Julienne.

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Speaker 9: Hy this sist, Julianne. I just wanted to call and

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Speaker 9: say that my twenty one year old son voted for Trump,

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Speaker 9: not necessarily because he was a one hundred percent Trump fan,

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Speaker 9: but because for his entire life he was told he

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Speaker 9: in the world because he was a white male. And

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Speaker 9: they are tired of that, and so they sought to

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Speaker 9: And I think it's a huge problem in the Democratic Party, amen.

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Speaker 1: And it's, by the way, spiraled away from just white men,

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Speaker 2: Any Way, most things are awesome.

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Speaker 1: I would just point out most things that men helped

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Speaker 5: I feel like you just gave away the title of

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Speaker 5: your third book, after Clay's magnum Opus Balls. The third

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Speaker 5: book will be men are Awesome. There we go, Men

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get Look, there are some things that stink, right,

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Speaker 1: Not everything in history was great. Slavery probably not a

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Speaker 1: Every single one of you listening to me right now,

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Speaker 1: It's always funny. Remember, speaking of the View, we were

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Speaker 1: when they found out that Sonny Hostin's family were actually

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you it doesn't get talked about enough,

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Speaker 1: they still there, Kathleen?

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Speaker 2: What you got for is Kathleen, Hey.

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Speaker 10: Thanks for having me on the show, I slammed Catalina

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Speaker 5: What questions do you have for well? Okay, so when

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Speaker 10: Yes, all the swims are at night, and that's the

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Speaker 10: No, there's very little boat traffic out there. Is The

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Speaker 5: Okay, now you got to help me here. That area

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Speaker 10: numerous times there. I swam north from Santa Barbara, Uh,

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Speaker 10: Santa Barbara Channel Santa Cruz into Oxnard. It really doesn't

440
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Speaker 10: bother me. It's kind of creepy the first five minutes

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Speaker 10: I'm in. I settle in and sharks are way way

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Speaker 10: back there in my head.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing to me, Like, this is one of these things. Clay, where,

444
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Speaker 4: by the way, are you glad? Are you glad you

445
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Speaker 4: did it? Did you get super tired?

446
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Speaker 5: Did you where you worried you're gonna have to get

447
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Speaker 5: in the launch boat and not finish it?

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Speaker 4: Or were you pretty good to go?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 10: I plowed right through that swim. It's one of the

451
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Speaker 10: best swims I ever did. I've done, you know, twenty

452
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Speaker 10: five or so of the world's great swims.

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Speaker 5: And then okay, I gotta ask. Okay, so you're like,

454
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Speaker 5: you're a legit. You're a legit, serious, serious ocean swimmer.

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Speaker 5: My man Clay Travis over here. He's got a great

456
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Speaker 5: head of hair, he's got a great voice. But does

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Speaker 5: he have what it takes to swim from Alcatraz?

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Speaker 4: Do you think.

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Speaker 2: Did she just hang up? Wow?

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Speaker 4: Did I think she just bailed on you? Buddy? She's

461
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Speaker 4: like I can't. I can't. I can't be help responsible.

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Speaker 1: For whatever happens, like she intentionally hung up there rather

463
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Speaker 1: than I thought I heard the click, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen very often.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I did research on this after you talked about the

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Speaker 1: Great White attacking the guy in Catalina supposedly, and we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of listeners in San Francisco. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I met one of them walking through the airport. He

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Speaker 1: came over to me as I was getting on my

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Speaker 1: flight yesterday and he was like, man, I love you guys.

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Speaker 2: I was in.

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Speaker 1: Charleston for the weekend. He was there with his daughter,

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Speaker 1: so he lives in San Francisco. But I was doing research.

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Speaker 1: This may surprise you, and I want to say I

476
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Speaker 1: could be totally wrong on this, so I am open

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Speaker 1: to the argument that I am totally wrong on this.

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Speaker 1: What I saw was that San Francisco Bay is only

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Speaker 1: like fifteen or twenty feet deep. In other words, that

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Speaker 1: if you look out to Alcatraz, that the water is

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Speaker 1: actually not very deep at all. Now, some of you

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Speaker 1: are probably San Francisco Bay experts.

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Speaker 2: It gets very.

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Speaker 1: Deep once you go underneath the Golden Gate or once

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Speaker 1: you go after the other way, you know, underneath the

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Speaker 1: bay bridge, I think. But the actual bay where Alcatraz is,

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Speaker 1: it's only fifteen or twenty feet deep, and so great

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Speaker 1: whites aren't there, very frequently bucked because the water is

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Speaker 1: not deep enough and they don't like the shallows.

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Speaker 2: Kathleen, is she back?

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Speaker 10: Yes, I'm back.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Did you hang up because you were certain that I

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Speaker 1: would be eaten by a great white?

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Speaker 2: Or how do you think I would do it?

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Speaker 10: At all? Not at all? You know, sharks really aren't

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Speaker 10: a problem. They are more of a problem up around

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Speaker 10: the San Francisco area, but down around Catalina. Yes, there

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Speaker 10: are critters out there. Things you come to accept if

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Speaker 10: you're a marathon swimmer. I've had sharks swimmer I first.

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Speaker 1: To as critters. I think that's hilarious. One of these

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Speaker 1: things you expect. You have seen sharks around you when

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Speaker 1: you're swimming on these marathon swims.

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Speaker 10: Not often. It happened to me right off California, right

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Speaker 10: in La Joya. I was swimming, just a little training swim,

506
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Speaker 10: and a couple of sharks looked up at me, or

507
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Speaker 10: they just passed right underneath me. I call them Bob

508
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Speaker 10: and Ierma and they just came swim right by me,

509
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Speaker 10: not a problem. I left them alone, They left me alone, and.

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Speaker 2: You kept your swim going.

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Speaker 1: There were just a couple of sharks there, and you're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're cool, no worries, Like I'm just gonna let them

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Speaker 1: swim underneath me.

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Speaker 10: I would believe that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Kathleen's braver than me. I I but I think I

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Speaker 1: might be right about again. Some of you were probably

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Speaker 1: nautical experts, maybe nature experts. I think they've dredged San

519
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: Francisco Bay, but it's only fifteen or twenty feet deep.

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Speaker 1: And my research on because they say the waters of

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Speaker 1: our gatraz shark infected, infested, which makes sense because you

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Speaker 1: doutside of San Francisco Bay there are large colonies of seals,

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Speaker 1: and seals are the preferred food of these very large

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Speaker 1: great white sharks. But that is just outside the mouth

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Speaker 1: of the bay. But there are tons of the seals

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Speaker 1: now that come in and rest at the piers in

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Speaker 1: you know, in the in the warehouse or whatever that

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Speaker 1: area is called. Yeah, and it's very cool. Peer forty two,

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Speaker 1: I think I might be the wrong number. Tourists feed

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Speaker 1: them and then they become kind of sassy. You've ever

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Speaker 1: seen these videos they get all these seals get sassy.

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Speaker 1: But what I was told was not the military kind.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not trying to get my ass

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Speaker 1: kicked here. I'm talking about the mammals that swim. There

535
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Speaker 1: aren't that many great whites because it is actually not

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Speaker 1: deep enough for the sharks to be enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: Clay that you've.

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Speaker 5: Ever seen, You ever seen the shark attack videos and

539
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Speaker 5: stuff that they go in pretty shallow water. My friend,

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Speaker 5: I'm not trying to psych you out here, but I

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Speaker 5: get it well, I'm telling you there.

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Speaker 1: So the great white thing that you told me about

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Speaker 1: the Catalina Island swim has got me shook also. And

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are listening in LA.

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Speaker 1: They had a great white that would hang out all

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Speaker 1: the time right off the Manhattan Beach Pier. And those

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Speaker 1: of you who are in the South Bay just south

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Speaker 1: of LA, the Manhattan Beach area is beautiful. Shell Back

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Speaker 1: one of the great all time bars, Great Beach Bar,

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Speaker 1: one of the great beach bars of all time, along

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Speaker 1: with the Flora Bama Ajs where I am now, but

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Speaker 1: Spinnaker's and Lavilla Back in the day, but shell back

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Speaker 1: right off, which is right off of the pier, they

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Speaker 1: have a great white that always circles around out there.

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Speaker 1: And I think the great white that always circles around

556
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Speaker 1: out there, he basically just lives there and everybody's like, hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's our great white shark. I think he attacked somebody recently,

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Speaker 1: because by recently, I mean the last couple of years.

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Speaker 11: They chum the waters to fish, yeah, off the Manhattan

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Speaker 11: Each Pier, and so then somebody got in the water

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Speaker 11: and they got attacked because the guy the sharks go

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Speaker 11: crazy when they chump the waters, and they got to

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Speaker 11: I think all of this is true.

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Speaker 1: You guys in Manhattan Beach can let me know if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But I think there's a great white right off.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I fine, I don't need to

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Speaker 1: really swim.

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you.

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Speaker 5: Maybe my thinking on this is also affected by the

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Speaker 5: fact that I have a friend down here in South

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Speaker 5: Florida who's an attorney who is an avid scuba guy,

572
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Speaker 5: and like, didn't been doing scuba for forty years, right,

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Speaker 5: So his guys guys in his mid fifties, made mid

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Speaker 5: late fifties, and he told me the story of witnessing

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Speaker 5: and he showed me on the International Shark Attack File

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Speaker 5: he witnessed a fatal shark attack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would never get in the water again.

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Speaker 5: And and he he was in the water, he saw it,

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Speaker 5: and I'm gonna tell you that stuck. We're at a

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Speaker 5: I was at a cocktail party. I was one of

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Speaker 5: these things where I asked him. I said, he's been

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Speaker 5: He's like, well, I don't talk about a lot, but

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Speaker 5: it's like I witnessed it. It was a tiger shark. I

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Speaker 5: witness a fatal tiger shark attack. And he went into

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 4: And you've got Carol Marko. It's tutordiction.

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Speaker 5: Our friend Dave Brutherford who we're gonna have Dave on tomorrow,

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Speaker 5: former Navy seal. I'm gonna have him on tomorrow to

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Speaker 5: talk to us about the possible escalation with Venezuela. There's

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Speaker 5: been escalation with blowing up their boats, but even further

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Speaker 5: escalation possibility. I've talked him about that, but he does

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Speaker 5: a great podcast, Dave Rutherford Show. You can check that out,

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Speaker 5: and ty in Montana writes in he says he's a

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Speaker 5: former Navy diver who says you can't do your job

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Speaker 5: as a navy diver if you're worried about sharks in

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Speaker 5: San Francisco Bay. He says it's deeper than twenty feet.

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Speaker 5: I think it depends where you are. Otherwise they'd never

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Speaker 5: get their big navy ships out of port there. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they're dredged areas that are deeper, but there are the

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Speaker 5: average According to Grocklay, the average depth of the San

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Speaker 5: Francisco Bay is fifteen feet, which is strikes me as

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Speaker 5: very shallow.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that stunned me. Again.

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Speaker 1: It makes me a little bit less afraid because great whites,

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Speaker 1: as you might imagine, are not fun typically of shallower waters.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, the average depth is not actually that

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Speaker 1: deep in the San Francisco Bay.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, by the way, we got a bunch for you.

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Speaker 1: We'll hit you with some more of that mom Donnie,

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Speaker 1: including him trying to apologize to police. And we'll also

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Speaker 1: hit you with the Obama ad in Virginia Trafalgar, who

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Speaker 1: has been very successful, sometimes not great in twenty two

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Speaker 1: but other times has been very successful. Now, has they

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Speaker 1: just released a poll Virginia within a point and a

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Speaker 1: half two points with Earl Sears making a run.

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Speaker 2: Is that accurate?

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Speaker 1: We don't know, but the Obama ad buck would suggest

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Speaker 1: that maybe there's a bit of apprehension if they're calling

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Speaker 1: in Obama to be doing ads for spamburger.

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Speaker 5: That's why we're going to follow this one closely. For

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Speaker 5: all of you, thank you for being here with us.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, go check out that podcast network and

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Speaker 5: finish your thoughts on whether you would do a night

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Speaker 5: swim from Catalida Island without worrying about shark