Speaker 1: So fellow conspiracy realist. Back in twenty nineteen, we got
Speaker 1: super into this thing called the Orang Menyac Nola. You
Speaker 1: remember this one. We were talking about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it came up recently in our monkey Man
Speaker 2: episode in some of our cryptids of India talking about
Speaker 2: some mysterious folkloric creatures from that part of the world,
Speaker 2: and Malay folklore speaks of a creature called the Irang Miniac,
Speaker 2: which is supernaturally very I don't know, fleet footed, humanoid, furry, oily,
Speaker 2: slippery boy who apparently is really into abducting and doing
Speaker 2: not nice things to young women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in our investigation in tonight's classic episode, we
Speaker 1: look at not just similar folkloric beliefs and how folklore
Speaker 1: can be weaponized or used as a tool to encounter
Speaker 1: the surrounding environment. We also look at the specific case
Speaker 1: of I love they said, slippery Boy, of the slippery
Speaker 1: boy around Minyac, who has since the nineteen fifties been
Speaker 1: a prime suspect in numerous allegations of assault and other
Speaker 1: attempted crimes. And the weird thing is Malay law enforcement
Speaker 1: has often agreed there was something supernatural afoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely check out our recent series on the cryptids
Speaker 2: of India and if you want to check this one
Speaker 2: out first as kind of a primer before you jump
Speaker 2: into that series.
Speaker 3: Let's roll it.
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Speaker 5: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
Speaker 5: name is Noa.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission controlled decands. Most important. You
Speaker 1: are you, You are here and that makes this stuff
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Generally speaking, most of
Speaker 1: us when we tune into the show, we have some
Speaker 1: sort of at least surface level familiarity with the subject
Speaker 1: of the episode. You know, everybody knows that JFK, for instance,
Speaker 1: was assassinated, right, People are familiar with that.
Speaker 5: Everybody knows.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's a safe thing to say. People
Speaker 1: know that. For millennia, folks have chased after allegations of aliens, extraterrestrials,
Speaker 1: and identified flying objects. But today's episode explores a subject
Speaker 1: that may well be unfamiliar to most of us. Until
Speaker 1: quite recently, the four of us had never heard of
Speaker 1: this phenomenon. It's a story that deals with a strange
Speaker 1: and unsettling intersection between folklore and crime, and this is
Speaker 1: the type of crime that requires a disclaimer or trigger warning.
Speaker 1: Today's episode contains descriptions of mature themes and sexual violence,
Speaker 1: not graphic descriptions, but they do occur in the story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of people are familiar with with something
Speaker 5: that we're going to talk about today that's similar or related.
Speaker 1: Let's say, Yeah, this is a weird segue and this
Speaker 1: is a little weird. Next thing in the notes is
Speaker 1: most folks are familiar with the ranglutan doctor.
Speaker 3: Zayas, doctor Zayas, doctor Zeias, doc. That's what I always
Speaker 3: think about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, orangutans, the orange looking greater apes. They're fantastic. My
Speaker 5: son loves them, and the name translates to old man
Speaker 5: of the woods and they look at yeah totally, I
Speaker 5: mean really, yeah.
Speaker 1: There are three species of great apes. At least now,
Speaker 1: there are three species of great apes found in Indian
Speaker 1: and Malaysia, and the most famous fictional orangutan is doctor
Speaker 1: Zais of Planet of the Apes fame. But there's another,
Speaker 1: much less lovable orangue in the mix. It's called the
Speaker 1: orang megyac. In the Malay language. This name means the
Speaker 1: oily man.
Speaker 5: Ew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one. It's only one of many similar mythical
Speaker 1: beasts in the region. There are. It turns out there's
Speaker 1: there's a whole posse of orang variations.
Speaker 5: Yeah. There's the tailed man, or orang ekor or ekoruh.
Speaker 5: This is a race of men and women who have tails. Again,
Speaker 5: a mythical race of men and women that have tales.
Speaker 5: There's the Orang gadang.
Speaker 1: Which is great to say, orangdang.
Speaker 5: That is the big man. This is to me, this
Speaker 5: feels similar to a big footish with a sasquatch kind
Speaker 5: of kind of creature. The big Man is like a
Speaker 5: ten foot tall beast with long hair. He's either a viking, orangutan,
Speaker 5: or just a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: There's also the arangbati, or a flying man. This creature
Speaker 1: stands about five feet tall and it has these black,
Speaker 1: leathery wings. This one is best known for living in
Speaker 1: dormant volcanoes. Oh man, And that's this just a taste
Speaker 1: of the various arrangus. But in folklore, the arrangue Megnac
Speaker 1: is a supernatural creature and it is known for abducting
Speaker 1: and attacking women in the night. Descriptions of this creature vary,
Speaker 1: and they vary widely. Sometimes it's described as just a
Speaker 1: naked dude. Sometimes it's a man wearing black swimming trunks.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's only a vaguely humanoid figure, occasionally covered with
Speaker 1: hair and so on. It's occasionally described as being a
Speaker 1: human warlock, or the victim of a magical curse, or
Speaker 1: the willing practitioner of a magical right. Sometimes it is
Speaker 1: said to be human at all. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: tough to get a physical description of this creature except
Speaker 1: for one thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's a bit odd because it's described in
Speaker 5: so many varying ways that it feels like there could
Speaker 5: be many of this thing, this irang Mignac, that is
Speaker 5: not just a single creature out there, so if you
Speaker 5: think about it in that way. The height and weight
Speaker 5: have been described with a huge range from super skinny
Speaker 5: to obese, from tall taller than a normal man to
Speaker 5: much smaller, diminutive. The eye color can alternate between yellow, gold, red,
Speaker 5: even sometimes just jet black eyes.
Speaker 1: And these descriptions are complicated by a recurring claim that
Speaker 1: only a certain type of human being can see these creatures,
Speaker 1: specifically people who have not had sexual intercourse virgins. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you'll hear all these legends about this type of
Speaker 1: creature that's the result of a spurned lover that has
Speaker 1: gained powers because he has solicited the services of a bomo,
Speaker 1: which is a Malayan witch doctor, or a contract with
Speaker 1: a creature from the spiritual world. I want to pause
Speaker 1: there for a second and point out that the phrase
Speaker 1: witch doctor is commonly seen as a pejorative. You know,
Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways it's dismissive of
Speaker 1: people's spiritual or cultural practices. But in this case, that's
Speaker 1: the way it has been self described as well. So
Speaker 1: their term not ours, but whether they have made a
Speaker 1: contract with a boma or a creature entirely from the
Speaker 1: spiritual world, the pact itself is insidious and infernal. The
Speaker 1: idea is that it's the old trope so common in
Speaker 1: so many stories throughout legend, mythology and folklore. What would
Speaker 1: you do? How far would you go for the love
Speaker 1: of your life to obtain their favor? In this case,
Speaker 1: the contract is brutal, The idea is that this person
Speaker 1: must or this creature must sexually assault x number of
Speaker 1: people by X number of days, and in doing so
Speaker 1: will have completed their end of the contract, and then
Speaker 1: the person that they are seeking to fall in love
Speaker 1: with for the rest of their life will fall in
Speaker 1: love with them. An alternate version would be that the
Speaker 1: minac is themselves a perspective Beaumont, and will be completing
Speaker 1: their schooling. That's like the final right of passages, this
Speaker 1: series of horrific acts, and that's similar in some ways.
Speaker 1: I guess the danger of the inherent crime or right
Speaker 1: of passage it reminds it could remind some of us
Speaker 1: of the Scullmants, which was the secret Devil's academy for
Speaker 1: witches and warlocks famous in European folklore. And the way
Speaker 1: that the Skullmance is often described is that a certain
Speaker 1: number of students enroll each term or each year, and
Speaker 1: that at the end of that term or year, they
Speaker 1: all have to race out the door, and the last
Speaker 1: one to get to the door belongs to the devil. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, high stakes, very high stakes. And you thought
Speaker 1: the l S the l SAT was stressful, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a factor that I love about the
Speaker 2: descriptions of this thing that always comes back to it
Speaker 2: being coated in some sort of shiny, greasy material. And
Speaker 2: that's howvades capture I literally slip slick, slipping out of
Speaker 2: the clutches of his pursuer, its pursuer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old greased pig strategy exactly.
Speaker 5: But the unnatural speed thing is also up there, Oh
Speaker 5: for sure. If you're greasy and speedy. I mean, we all,
Speaker 5: we've all made not all of us. Many of us
Speaker 5: have heard of the old greased up pig thing and
Speaker 5: how difficult it is, and a pig that's going fast
Speaker 5: it's all greasy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's the thing a lot of
Speaker 1: people have heard of but not seen in real life.
Speaker 5: Oh really, yeah, grown up because I saw no, I'm
Speaker 5: just kidding, I in Texas, exactly.
Speaker 1: I saw it in Uh. I saw it in my
Speaker 1: earlier years, and uh it was gross. Turns out that's
Speaker 1: a messy, gross pursuit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'd imagine it's either I don't like pigs or I
Speaker 1: don't like grease enough. But you're right, nol, This, this
Speaker 1: shiny greasy substance is the one common factor and that's
Speaker 1: why it plays into the name on a forensic note,
Speaker 1: which will be important later. It would be pretty safe
Speaker 1: for us to assume that someone covered in some kind
Speaker 1: of oily substance would leave fingerprints everywhere, right, or footprints,
Speaker 1: especially if they're nude and barefoot. But from what we find,
Speaker 1: apparently they don't. Apparently that's part of the supernatural aspect
Speaker 1: of their being.
Speaker 3: So it's supernatural grease, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's the alleged thing is interesting because it
Speaker 1: will also cake on people's skin when it touches them
Speaker 1: it's victims or something, but it won't. It won't cake
Speaker 1: or leave a residue on floors, walls, doorknobs, window panes,
Speaker 1: and so on. And now that we've got an okay
Speaker 1: description as that is as best of a description of
Speaker 1: an orange maniac as you will find. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about its.
Speaker 5: Behavior, and we'll get to that right after a quick
Speaker 5: word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: So the physical description of this thing sounds at the
Speaker 1: very least woefully unhygienic, but its behavior is terrifying because
Speaker 1: you see, unlike other monsters from folklore that primarily seem
Speaker 1: to harm human beings in an attempt to feed on them,
Speaker 1: or maybe to protect some specific location a sacred grove,
Speaker 1: a hidden spring, and on and on. The orang miniac
Speaker 1: is no and specifically for sexually assaulting its victims, typically female,
Speaker 1: often thought to target virgins exclusively. And this minac, according
Speaker 1: to the story, has the ability to paralyze its victims. Ooh,
Speaker 1: so similar to the sleep paralysis descriptions of a succubus
Speaker 1: or an incubus. It has the ability to physically stop
Speaker 1: people from moving, and it finds them sometimes at night
Speaker 1: when they're asleep, but sometimes also when they're awake, so
Speaker 1: it can't entirely be attributed to sleep paralysis, right, And
Speaker 1: there are ways you can protect yourself from a maniac
Speaker 1: should you feel that one may be targeting you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the first thing you gotta do, or maybe
Speaker 5: the best thing, is find yourself a good old fashioned sorcerer.
Speaker 3: You know a couple of sorcerers, don't you, Matt, I'm
Speaker 3: sitting next to one. Well, that's true, you're talking about Ben.
Speaker 5: Yeah. You could also arrange male clothes as in mL clothes,
Speaker 5: in some kind of barrier around your bed, so almost
Speaker 5: like a salt circle. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you
Speaker 5: could just wear men's clothes to bed. That seems like
Speaker 5: a better idea of rather than getting a whole bunch
Speaker 5: of men's clothes and putting around the bed.
Speaker 3: I do that all the time. Yeah, I do not
Speaker 3: laundry pile.
Speaker 1: That is. Another solution would be to bite your left
Speaker 1: thumb hard and cover it in a magically treated cloth
Speaker 1: or fabric, something that has been blessed or sanctified somehow.
Speaker 1: This is called a batik batik, and it's only supposed
Speaker 1: to work while an assault is taking place, so timing's key.
Speaker 3: I'm imagining that you would need to bite it so
Speaker 3: hard as to draw blood.
Speaker 1: I would assume I hadn't found that, but I am
Speaker 1: at Usually, if you have to do some sort of
Speaker 1: magical ritual involving a bite, it does have to pierce
Speaker 1: the flesh, I would think.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: You know, according to stories, a few superstitious people, when
Speaker 1: they were worried that a Mignac might be in their area,
Speaker 1: even began wearing sweaty clothes, with the thought being that
Speaker 1: it would look like they had just had some sort
Speaker 1: of sexual activity.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: Uh. And then there's one last thing here. It says, Uh,
Speaker 5: have a big old knife. That's what it says.
Speaker 3: You call that a knife?
Speaker 1: That says a knife? All right.
Speaker 3: It's just such a good line.
Speaker 5: Just you know, get that old slippery Mignac with that
Speaker 5: knife and you're good to.
Speaker 1: Go, right right. So in other words, just kill it, yeah,
Speaker 1: with the.
Speaker 3: Weapons, but you can't.
Speaker 5: It's this otherworldly creature like there, and there's a lot
Speaker 5: of unknown still in the.
Speaker 3: Stories at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's weird because it's it's similar to the
Speaker 1: early stories of a lot of folkloric beings. You know, before,
Speaker 1: before we had mass media, regional stories of vampires would
Speaker 1: widely very you know, whether you're in Greece or whether
Speaker 1: you're in Bulgaria or Syria or something.
Speaker 2: Because the seed of the story is sort of like
Speaker 2: it's where it starts, and then everyone goes, I don't know,
Speaker 2: is it parallel thinking? Is it like one story that
Speaker 2: gets translated and kind of moved around like I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: I guess it's more telephone Yeah, in this case, because
Speaker 1: the name might be familiar, or there will be parallel
Speaker 1: thinking in that there will be two very different creatures
Speaker 1: with two very different idiosyncrasies. But they're all after your
Speaker 1: blood or your liver or whatever.
Speaker 2: What occurs to me here, though, is when we talk
Speaker 2: to David Bakara about Sasquatch and Bigfoot and all that
Speaker 2: and so many reports of them moving very very fast
Speaker 2: and running around on all four is like, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole story he told about one going under a truck,
Speaker 2: I believe, and like, you know, running alongside it.
Speaker 3: This occurs to me. This creature is almost like a
Speaker 3: more rapy, creepy bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Geez, yeah, you know not No, it's known specifically for
Speaker 1: that oil, but there are reports of tall ones. It's
Speaker 1: weird because there's so many variations, and we see again
Speaker 1: that these variations did not get codified into a single
Speaker 1: common description until mass media. Because the mignac was around
Speaker 1: in folklore in Malaysia for a long, long, long long
Speaker 1: time and as well as you know, it had transmitted
Speaker 1: through that telephone game to Thailand, to Singapore to other
Speaker 1: areas in the region, but it wasn't really It's sort
Speaker 1: of like how Santa Claus always looked different until the
Speaker 1: Coca Cola commercials. It wasn't really a singular recognizable thing
Speaker 1: until it experienced a cultural resurgence in the late nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty eight, three different films about Iraan Minyac
Speaker 1: they hit the theaters. One was in a Burst of
Speaker 1: Creativity Irod Mignac, the other was Supa Arod Mignac, and
Speaker 1: then Sarangan Arod Mignac. The sample plot is this, We'll
Speaker 1: just take one and Supa Irongmniac or Curse of the Oily.
Speaker 3: Mad My favorite subtitle of any movie ever.
Speaker 1: Great title, right. The irang Miniac was a man who
Speaker 1: was cursed in an attempt to win back his lost love.
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like if one do a
Speaker 1: pop culture comparison and take out the egregious sexual assault
Speaker 1: involved in the film. It's sort of like Todd McFarlane's Spawn.
Speaker 1: In Spawn, the protagonist is not a very good person.
Speaker 1: They're Special Forces soldier kind of guy. They die, they
Speaker 1: go to hell. They make a deal with an infernal
Speaker 1: creature because they want to go back and win the
Speaker 1: love of their life and be a better person. I
Speaker 1: think the guy's name was Al Simmons. So he gets
Speaker 1: the deal from the devil. Then he comes back to
Speaker 1: the world, but he comes back as a servant of evil,
Speaker 1: and he still tries to get back with his you know,
Speaker 1: with his wife. The devil offered to help this man
Speaker 1: in Simba Arang Mignac and give him powers of the
Speaker 1: black arts, but only if the Mignac worshiped him and
Speaker 1: assaulted within a week twenty one virgins.
Speaker 3: Very specific, very specific.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to wonder if there's some numerological significance there.
Speaker 1: In other versions, it's a little more like the cabinet
Speaker 1: of doctor Caligari. Do you guys remember that one ye man.
Speaker 1: That's still a spooky one. But that's where the Iraq
Speaker 1: Mignac becomes more like almost like a gollum or like
Speaker 1: a somnambulist who's controlled by this evil authority, whether that's
Speaker 1: a Boma, sorcerer Caligari, it's a hypnotist. But you know,
Speaker 1: the comparison holds true. And so for decades here we go.
Speaker 1: I love the Bigfoot comparison. We're drawing here because for
Speaker 1: decades people have been divided in their opinion in this story.
Speaker 1: Is the Irong Minnac a gay man? Just a fictional
Speaker 1: device used to enforce compliance to social norms? Don't go
Speaker 1: out late at night? Don't go out late at night alone,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Don't go drinking and drugging
Speaker 1: in the woods.
Speaker 5: Be careful around men that are not related to you.
Speaker 3: Especially if they're kind of oily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's where a lot, honestly, that's where
Speaker 1: a lot of these sorts of stories originate to get
Speaker 1: people to from cradle to the grave, obey the rules
Speaker 1: of their society, or usually in an attempt to keep
Speaker 1: people safe.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: But then we have the debate that's so similar to
Speaker 1: Bigfoot or the Yetti, which is there is a contingent
Speaker 1: of people who've always argued that these are real, actual
Speaker 1: flesh and blood organisms. So is it some kind of
Speaker 1: cryptid that may now or at one time have existed
Speaker 1: in the wild. This is an interesting This is an
Speaker 1: interesting question because we know that Malaysia and indones So
Speaker 1: both have been home to a tremendous biodiversity in the past,
Speaker 1: and a lot of those creatures have since gone extinct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it could be it could be similar to the
Speaker 1: Austrolopithecus theory about you know, early early human like creatures
Speaker 1: encountering this gigantic ape. Oh yeah, or it could just
Speaker 1: be made up to keep people from going out and
Speaker 1: being unsafe at night, or has it become something more.
Speaker 1: This last question is crucial because while this creature may
Speaker 1: well be considered little more than a grizzly fairy tale,
Speaker 1: today the crimes attributed to it are tragically and undeniably real,
Speaker 1: and they are happening as we record this.
Speaker 5: Bet.
Speaker 2: I remember you told this to me outside of the office.
Speaker 2: We were hanging out briefly, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: cannot believe this is true. And the story and itself
Speaker 2: is good, would be enough to make an episode on
Speaker 2: its own, but this twist is out of control.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately that's the case. What are we talking about. We'll
Speaker 1: tell you after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 5: So before the movies ever came out in nineteen fifty eight, there,
Speaker 5: you know, was an occasional sighting and crime like actual
Speaker 5: crimes reported to the authorities about things that have been
Speaker 5: done or crimes that have been committed by some orang
Speaker 5: Minnac or the rang Minyac. And you know those those movies,
Speaker 5: those films, they heralded this other cultural event. Reports that
Speaker 5: would come in about attacks or about sightings or about
Speaker 5: at least some encounter with the irang Minyac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these reports were not just hey, there's a dirty,
Speaker 1: grease coded guy kind of slinking around the local car
Speaker 1: wash or something. These were reports of sightings and of
Speaker 1: attempted sexual assault, and there were tons and tons and
Speaker 1: tons of these. The reports skyrocket through the nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: and the nineteen seventies. Remember that those films come out
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty eight, and there were I believe one
Speaker 1: or two other Orange Maniac films that came out in
Speaker 1: the seventies. Let's see oh Oily Maniac from nineteen seventies six.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's fantastic. And we have to remember too, it's
Speaker 2: like over here in the States, a lot of these
Speaker 2: folklore type things that are United States centric. It's very niche.
Speaker 2: The people that will be like, this is a thing,
Speaker 2: let's attribute real events to this creature. Culturally over here
Speaker 2: and we're talking about it's much more I think, accepted
Speaker 2: as a real thing as opposed to like a legend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a conversation that's a lot more divisive between
Speaker 1: the skeptical part of the population and the people who well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say are credulous but the people
Speaker 1: who saw something firsthand believe they experienced it. The reports
Speaker 1: still continue, as we said in the modern day. In
Speaker 1: November of two thousand and five, the Malaysian National News
Speaker 1: Agency reported that a Kuala Lumpur hospital was shaken by
Speaker 1: news that an arrange mignac or oily man was on
Speaker 1: the prowl on its premises trying to assault nurses. And
Speaker 1: we have the story about this because one thing we
Speaker 1: have to note for the purposes of this story, the
Speaker 1: nurses live on site.
Speaker 2: So at three am on Tuesday of that week, a
Speaker 2: nurse in her thirties who was in the nurses quarters
Speaker 2: it was sort of almost like a hostel on the
Speaker 2: hospital grounds, was believed to have been sexually assaulted by
Speaker 2: a man armed with a knife and whose body and
Speaker 2: face was covered with oil. A police spokesperson said the
Speaker 2: man had entered the nurses room in the dormitory and
Speaker 2: threatened the woman before tying her up, binding her hand
Speaker 2: to feet, and then undressing her. This is hard, it's
Speaker 2: hard to describe. He said that a security guard of
Speaker 2: the hostel became aware of the nurse's situation at around
Speaker 2: five am when he heard her screaming for help, and
Speaker 2: then the guard untied the nurse.
Speaker 3: Who this was her room exclusively. She did not have
Speaker 3: any flatmates, So.
Speaker 1: That was attempted. Fortunately it was not. It doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like it was successfully completed.
Speaker 5: But it is weird that there is no report of
Speaker 5: him seeing anyone or any like. I'm not seeing a
Speaker 5: lot of the evidence of oil.
Speaker 1: And the nurse in this story claims that it was
Speaker 1: at a wrong Mignac in two thousand and five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this continues. In Christmas of twenty twelve, The Star Online
Speaker 1: reported there were mooltultiple sightings over the Christmas holidays. One
Speaker 1: eyewitness even described its behavior. They saw it moving.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a quote crawling up the stairs of
Speaker 5: the house, just like Spider Man. When it reached the top,
Speaker 5: it suddenly jumped onto the roof. I don't think a
Speaker 5: human could do that. It then just disappeared.
Speaker 1: And the person who's reporting this, the eyewitness, says, we
Speaker 1: can laugh and joke about this, but this is serious.
Speaker 1: All the families here have young girls. Yeah, so this
Speaker 1: sounds like a person saying, I get that this might
Speaker 1: sound provencial, or this might sound like a rural superstition
Speaker 1: to people reading this story, but we are actual people
Speaker 1: who live here.
Speaker 5: We're genuinely concerned.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. In twenty sixteen, The Star also reported a
Speaker 1: woman claimed that she had nearly been assaulted by an
Speaker 1: orang Mignac at a petrol station gas station toilet was
Speaker 1: via the Harry and Metro. She gave her name, Ili
Speaker 1: Sharia Modea. She was thirty years old. Told police she
Speaker 1: put up a struggle because a man dressed only in
Speaker 1: red underwear entered the entered the restroom while she was
Speaker 1: in there. I was in one of the stalls when
Speaker 1: I heard the door to the main toilet entrance open
Speaker 1: and close. Had a bad feeling decided to leave when
Speaker 1: I saw the man clad in underwear. He tried to
Speaker 1: push her back into the cubicle the bathroom stall, but
Speaker 1: she fought him off and ran out of the toilet,
Speaker 1: shouting for help. The guy ran away toward the back
Speaker 1: of the gas station. The police confirmed this happened. The
Speaker 1: police confirmed that she said there was an arrangue. Minyac
Speaker 1: and police, we should note, are actively cited in these investigations,
Speaker 1: sometimes in a skeptical way. In twenty seventeen, in August,
Speaker 1: police debunked an arrangue Mennac story or they denied it.
Speaker 1: In Malacca, there was a village the two villages Malacca
Speaker 1: Tenga and just Sin and the Assistant Commissioner, Afnesar Ahmad
Speaker 1: was asked about these messages that were circulating over social
Speaker 1: media over the past two days. There were attacks that
Speaker 1: were rumored to be perpetrated by arang Minyac and he said,
Speaker 1: quote such unfounded claims will cause unnecessary anxiety among villagers.
Speaker 1: Will act against those who spread such lies. So he said,
Speaker 1: We're we're going to not only deny this stuff, but
Speaker 1: if you're spreading this stuff, we're going to shut you down.
Speaker 1: To at this point in the story, the creature had
Speaker 1: supposedly entered five homes in the area and attempted at
Speaker 1: the very least the attempted acts of assault. And this
Speaker 1: leads us to the question, this is something we had
Speaker 1: talked about off air two. What's going on? You know,
Speaker 1: the reports have declined since the sixties and seventies, but
Speaker 1: there's still occurring. That last story is from twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: that was not very long ago. Is there something like this?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, something's happening right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So to me that the story of the
Speaker 5: woman in the bathroom with a man clearly wearing red underwear.
Speaker 5: To me, that one is easily just a human male,
Speaker 5: at least in my mind, a human male that is
Speaker 5: a monster and attempting to rape a woman in a
Speaker 5: bathroom stall. That's what it sounds like to me. But
Speaker 5: then it has that cultural surrounding of what a rapist
Speaker 5: essentially is.
Speaker 2: Well, and my question too is how how do the
Speaker 2: cultural kind of stars align that this they are able
Speaker 2: to successfully blame it on this urban legend, Like I
Speaker 2: wanted to bring that up earlier, like, how do you
Speaker 2: think do you think in general culturally there's more of
Speaker 2: a willingness to accept myth as reality than there is
Speaker 2: over here. I'm wondering what you think is leading to
Speaker 2: this being a legitimate thing to blame these crimes on.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Also, well, we have to remember that one person's myth
Speaker 1: is another person's matter of fact. You know, depending on
Speaker 1: where they live. There are people who will assure you
Speaker 1: that everyone in the United States is deluded because they
Speaker 1: believe in myths like democracy or capitalism, which is not
Speaker 1: the same hopefully as a supernatural creature breaking into people's
Speaker 1: houses at night. But it's also not perfect. It's weird
Speaker 1: because we have to wonder. We have to wonder how
Speaker 1: much of it is willing you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: a suspension of disbelief, a willingness to attribute mundane tragedies
Speaker 1: to supernatural causes. It Also, you guys have heard about Iceland,
Speaker 1: right and their belief in elves or fairies. If you're
Speaker 1: familiar with this. Our super producer Paul Michig Control Decad
Speaker 1: traveled to Iceland and I can't remember if we talked
Speaker 1: about it. We've got to figure this out off air.
Speaker 1: I have heard that people will attribute construction problems and
Speaker 1: things to elves in Iceland, and surely a lot about
Speaker 1: that is with a nod and a wink, But there
Speaker 1: was some There was some poll I read wherein the
Speaker 1: residents of Iceland who participated self reported to believe in
Speaker 1: in elves, to actually, no fooling believe in them. And
Speaker 1: you have to you have to wonder if you're in
Speaker 1: an environment where you may be relatively isolated, our knowledge
Speaker 1: of what is or is not true is largely going
Speaker 1: to be based on our own experiences and interactions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: You can read about a country like Bhutan, for instance,
Speaker 1: for your entire life. You can see pictures that say
Speaker 1: they're from there. But there are people will argue that
Speaker 1: you don't know something for sure unless you experience a firsthand.
Speaker 1: I don't particularly subscribe to that or ascribe to that rather,
Speaker 1: but there are people who who believe that. So maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they're saying, I believe this because I saw something
Speaker 1: inexplicable and the closest thing to my knowledge in my
Speaker 1: like data banks that resembles what I know that I
Speaker 1: physically saw is this thing called in the wrong minnac
Speaker 1: So maybe.
Speaker 5: They believe it.
Speaker 2: And also I want to walk back what I said,
Speaker 2: just ever so slightly, Like I mean, you know, you
Speaker 2: could say that Christianity is a myth and that people
Speaker 2: outside of the United States look at that as being
Speaker 2: a widely accepted belief as bonkers, and like like, how
Speaker 2: could you believe in this magical creature of Jesus Christ?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just all about It's all about your perspective and
Speaker 2: where you're coming from. What is a myth versus what
Speaker 2: is a belief system? And I just think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: You know, we blame things on religion all the time,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's really not that different.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 1: Legally we do have things called acts of God. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: all right, sorry, we don't have to pay you for
Speaker 1: this because it was an act of God.
Speaker 5: I think that should be changed to nature's Yep.
Speaker 1: So you heard to hear, folks, you heard it hear first, folks,
Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. Regardless though, then this, this is a conversation
Speaker 1: that can get very deep and very complicated very quickly, right,
Speaker 1: regardless of what you think and know. To be absolutely clear,
Speaker 1: we are not we are not making a one to
Speaker 1: one comparison between the irong maniac capitalism, Christianity and democracy.
Speaker 1: Those are ideologies, but there's still they're beliefs, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: there's still beliefs at this point. Though regardless value feel
Speaker 1: about any of those things, it looks extremely likely, I
Speaker 1: would say overwhelmingly likely. In fact, I would say I
Speaker 1: have certitude about this. I am certain that at multiple
Speaker 1: times genuine sexual rhymes were either dismissed or actively covered
Speaker 1: up through attributing this to a supernatural creature.
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that guy who has had like four or
Speaker 1: five other previous run ends with the law. It was
Speaker 1: the Iraq Mignac.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with that which you assert, Ben Bold.
Speaker 1: I mean there's always the notion of public panic too, right.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that people are always intentionally trying to
Speaker 1: cover up a crime using this. There's always a notion
Speaker 1: of an outbreak, like a moral panic. They're called. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know in our previous work with reports of
Speaker 1: serial killers, for instance, one thing that we've seen happen
Speaker 1: every single time, Every single time there is an active,
Speaker 1: identified serial killer that has not been apprehended, or even
Speaker 1: after the most likely suspect is apprehended, police departments and
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies will be inundated with the weirdest calls.
Speaker 1: People who confess to be in the killer because they
Speaker 1: want attention, people who are certain they've seen the killer,
Speaker 1: people who have some sort of like very very low
Speaker 1: effort count to Monte Cristo revenge scheme, who reports someone
Speaker 1: they don't like at worker in their personal life as
Speaker 1: the killer. That happens so often. And then this also
Speaker 1: has a little bit of a cultural divide. Is someone
Speaker 1: saying there's a language divide, right, That's a better way
Speaker 1: to say it. Is someone saying that when they're saying
Speaker 1: I was attacked by a ring minac. Do they mean
Speaker 1: I was attacked by this supernatural creature or do they
Speaker 1: mean I was attacked by this creepy dude covered in
Speaker 1: slime or oil? In this case, regardless public panic aside,
Speaker 1: it looks like several cre took advantage of a longstanding belief.
Speaker 1: And as we record this, these people got away clean
Speaker 1: with their crimes. They dressed up right, I mean this
Speaker 1: is and not to sound dismissive, they disguised themselves. They
Speaker 1: participated in cosplay for the purpose of crime. This is
Speaker 1: similar to saying, for instance, let's make let's make it
Speaker 1: part of folklore that Bigfoot is, in addition to being
Speaker 1: real known for robbing banks, and then let's all dress
Speaker 1: up as Bigfoot and start robbing banks.
Speaker 5: Brilliant.
Speaker 1: And then it was never it was never us.
Speaker 3: It was a group of big feet.
Speaker 1: Big feet. But this, this is the case, and this
Speaker 1: is something at this point we haven't we haven't cracked
Speaker 1: the case on. We know that the police clearly hate
Speaker 1: this idea. It's not helpful for an investigation.
Speaker 5: No, not at all. At least again, I keep going
Speaker 5: back to the red underpants thing because at least that's
Speaker 5: a good description of the person, and hopefully a witness
Speaker 5: saw that person. If you just describe it as a naked,
Speaker 5: oily human being that is this other creature, that's not
Speaker 5: a lot to go on for law enforcement. That's definitely unfortunate.
Speaker 5: You can only hope that people out there very soon
Speaker 5: will begin to understand that there are awful human beings
Speaker 5: that exist in the world that will do terrible things,
Speaker 5: and those are the ones that you need to blame
Speaker 5: it on, not some myth.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because there are other reports. Asia One reported
Speaker 1: that as recently as twenty twelve, in some regions of
Speaker 1: the area, people overwhelmingly did believe in the wrong MINNAC,
Speaker 1: especially in Kumpung lack Samana. It's apparently very difficult to
Speaker 1: find a resident who doesn't believe in IRANGMNIAC or feel
Speaker 1: like they have seen it. This was a place where,
Speaker 1: remember we talked about the spike in reports. Over Christmas
Speaker 1: of that year, two hundred people went out into the
Speaker 1: street patrolling the area. They carried machetes, axes, sticks, whatever
Speaker 1: they can find, and spotlights. So people actually went out
Speaker 1: on a search for this thing.
Speaker 5: And you know, there's something else here, because when we
Speaker 5: were describing what an Irang Mignac is or could be,
Speaker 5: with all the various descriptions up at the top of
Speaker 5: this episode, one of the major versions of this is
Speaker 5: a spurned lover, a human being that is a spurned lover, right,
Speaker 5: So it's even if there is some kind of supernatural
Speaker 5: or the belief of supernatural power working through this human being,
Speaker 5: it is a human being. And I think it as
Speaker 5: long as that is kept. Perhaps I know that's not
Speaker 5: the only description, but if that thought is kept, then
Speaker 5: hopefully some of these some of these human monsters can
Speaker 5: be apprehended and this could be stopped, and at least
Speaker 5: in the minds of people, they could have that framing
Speaker 5: of seeing something very real, even if it is supernaturally enhanced.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I guess I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, at this point is where this is
Speaker 1: where the story ends. It's tremendously fortunate that these reports
Speaker 1: have precipitously declined, but it's tremendously tragic that they still continue,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And this is where we
Speaker 1: want to hand this story over to you. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for listening. Let us know if there are
Speaker 1: any similar things like this in your neck of the
Speaker 1: global woods, whether that's Peru, Pennsylvania, Paraguay, Paris, even places
Speaker 1: that don't begin with a peace, and we're asking this.
Speaker 1: We're asking for this because it may surprise you to
Speaker 1: learn how many stories, maybe not this sinister, maybe not
Speaker 1: this disturbing, but how many stories like this the supernatural
Speaker 1: impinging on modern life. How many stories like this exist
Speaker 1: and are not well known. I you know, as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, write to us and let us know
Speaker 1: if you heard of the Irangmignac before you listen to
Speaker 1: this show.
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