1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: So fellow conspiracy realist. Back in twenty nineteen, we got 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: super into this thing called the Orang Menyac Nola. You 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: remember this one. We were talking about this. 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it came up recently in our monkey Man 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: episode in some of our cryptids of India talking about 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: some mysterious folkloric creatures from that part of the world, 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: and Malay folklore speaks of a creature called the Irang Miniac, 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: which is supernaturally very I don't know, fleet footed, humanoid, furry, oily, 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: slippery boy who apparently is really into abducting and doing 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: not nice things to young women. 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And in our investigation in tonight's classic episode, we 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: look at not just similar folkloric beliefs and how folklore 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: can be weaponized or used as a tool to encounter 14 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: the surrounding environment. We also look at the specific case 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: of I love they said, slippery Boy, of the slippery 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: boy around Minyac, who has since the nineteen fifties been 17 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: a prime suspect in numerous allegations of assault and other 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: attempted crimes. And the weird thing is Malay law enforcement 19 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: has often agreed there was something supernatural afoot. 20 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely check out our recent series on the cryptids 21 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: of India and if you want to check this one 22 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: out first as kind of a primer before you jump 23 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: into that series. 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: Let's roll it. 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 27 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 4: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. 28 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 5: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 29 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 5: name is Noa. 30 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 31 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission controlled decands. Most important. You 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: are you, You are here and that makes this stuff 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Generally speaking, most of 34 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: us when we tune into the show, we have some 35 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: sort of at least surface level familiarity with the subject 36 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: of the episode. You know, everybody knows that JFK, for instance, 37 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: was assassinated, right, People are familiar with that. 38 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 5: Everybody knows. 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's a safe thing to say. People 40 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: know that. For millennia, folks have chased after allegations of aliens, extraterrestrials, 41 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: and identified flying objects. But today's episode explores a subject 42 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: that may well be unfamiliar to most of us. Until 43 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: quite recently, the four of us had never heard of 44 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: this phenomenon. It's a story that deals with a strange 45 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: and unsettling intersection between folklore and crime, and this is 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: the type of crime that requires a disclaimer or trigger warning. 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: Today's episode contains descriptions of mature themes and sexual violence, 48 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: not graphic descriptions, but they do occur in the story. 49 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of people are familiar with with something 50 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 5: that we're going to talk about today that's similar or related. 51 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: Let's say, Yeah, this is a weird segue and this 52 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: is a little weird. Next thing in the notes is 53 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: most folks are familiar with the ranglutan doctor. 54 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: Zayas, doctor Zayas, doctor Zeias, doc. That's what I always 55 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: think about it. 56 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, orangutans, the orange looking greater apes. They're fantastic. My 57 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 5: son loves them, and the name translates to old man 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 5: of the woods and they look at yeah totally, I 59 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 5: mean really, yeah. 60 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: There are three species of great apes. At least now, 61 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: there are three species of great apes found in Indian 62 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: and Malaysia, and the most famous fictional orangutan is doctor 63 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: Zais of Planet of the Apes fame. But there's another, 64 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: much less lovable orangue in the mix. It's called the 65 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: orang megyac. In the Malay language. This name means the 66 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: oily man. 67 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 5: Ew. 68 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one. It's only one of many similar mythical 69 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: beasts in the region. There are. It turns out there's 70 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: there's a whole posse of orang variations. 71 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 5: Yeah. There's the tailed man, or orang ekor or ekoruh. 72 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 5: This is a race of men and women who have tails. Again, 73 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 5: a mythical race of men and women that have tales. 74 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 5: There's the Orang gadang. 75 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: Which is great to say, orangdang. 76 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 5: That is the big man. This is to me, this 77 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 5: feels similar to a big footish with a sasquatch kind 78 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 5: of kind of creature. The big Man is like a 79 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 5: ten foot tall beast with long hair. He's either a viking, orangutan, 80 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 5: or just a bigfoot. 81 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: There's also the arangbati, or a flying man. This creature 82 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: stands about five feet tall and it has these black, 83 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: leathery wings. This one is best known for living in 84 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: dormant volcanoes. Oh man, And that's this just a taste 85 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: of the various arrangus. But in folklore, the arrangue Megnac 86 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: is a supernatural creature and it is known for abducting 87 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: and attacking women in the night. Descriptions of this creature vary, 88 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: and they vary widely. Sometimes it's described as just a 89 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: naked dude. Sometimes it's a man wearing black swimming trunks. 90 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's only a vaguely humanoid figure, occasionally covered with 91 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: hair and so on. It's occasionally described as being a 92 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: human warlock, or the victim of a magical curse, or 93 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: the willing practitioner of a magical right. Sometimes it is 94 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: said to be human at all. And it's kind of 95 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: tough to get a physical description of this creature except 96 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: for one thing. 97 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's a bit odd because it's described in 98 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 5: so many varying ways that it feels like there could 99 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 5: be many of this thing, this irang Mignac, that is 100 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 5: not just a single creature out there, so if you 101 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 5: think about it in that way. The height and weight 102 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 5: have been described with a huge range from super skinny 103 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 5: to obese, from tall taller than a normal man to 104 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 5: much smaller, diminutive. The eye color can alternate between yellow, gold, red, 105 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 5: even sometimes just jet black eyes. 106 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: And these descriptions are complicated by a recurring claim that 107 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: only a certain type of human being can see these creatures, 108 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: specifically people who have not had sexual intercourse virgins. Yes, yeah, 109 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: and you'll hear all these legends about this type of 110 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: creature that's the result of a spurned lover that has 111 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: gained powers because he has solicited the services of a bomo, 112 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: which is a Malayan witch doctor, or a contract with 113 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: a creature from the spiritual world. I want to pause 114 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: there for a second and point out that the phrase 115 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: witch doctor is commonly seen as a pejorative. You know, 116 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways it's dismissive of 117 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: people's spiritual or cultural practices. But in this case, that's 118 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: the way it has been self described as well. So 119 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: their term not ours, but whether they have made a 120 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: contract with a boma or a creature entirely from the 121 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: spiritual world, the pact itself is insidious and infernal. The 122 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: idea is that it's the old trope so common in 123 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: so many stories throughout legend, mythology and folklore. What would 124 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: you do? How far would you go for the love 125 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: of your life to obtain their favor? In this case, 126 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: the contract is brutal, The idea is that this person 127 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: must or this creature must sexually assault x number of 128 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: people by X number of days, and in doing so 129 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: will have completed their end of the contract, and then 130 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: the person that they are seeking to fall in love 131 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: with for the rest of their life will fall in 132 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: love with them. An alternate version would be that the 133 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: minac is themselves a perspective Beaumont, and will be completing 134 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: their schooling. That's like the final right of passages, this 135 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: series of horrific acts, and that's similar in some ways. 136 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: I guess the danger of the inherent crime or right 137 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: of passage it reminds it could remind some of us 138 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: of the Scullmants, which was the secret Devil's academy for 139 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: witches and warlocks famous in European folklore. And the way 140 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: that the Skullmance is often described is that a certain 141 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: number of students enroll each term or each year, and 142 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: that at the end of that term or year, they 143 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: all have to race out the door, and the last 144 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: one to get to the door belongs to the devil. Oh, 145 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: I know, high stakes, very high stakes. And you thought 146 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: the l S the l SAT was stressful, right, Yeah. 147 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: I'll tell you a factor that I love about the 148 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: descriptions of this thing that always comes back to it 149 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: being coated in some sort of shiny, greasy material. And 150 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: that's howvades capture I literally slip slick, slipping out of 151 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: the clutches of his pursuer, its pursuer. 152 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, the old greased pig strategy exactly. 153 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 5: But the unnatural speed thing is also up there, Oh 154 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 5: for sure. If you're greasy and speedy. I mean, we all, 155 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 5: we've all made not all of us. Many of us 156 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: have heard of the old greased up pig thing and 157 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 5: how difficult it is, and a pig that's going fast 158 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 5: it's all greasy. 159 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's the thing a lot of 160 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: people have heard of but not seen in real life. 161 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 5: Oh really, yeah, grown up because I saw no, I'm 162 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 5: just kidding, I in Texas, exactly. 163 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: I saw it in Uh. I saw it in my 164 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: earlier years, and uh it was gross. Turns out that's 165 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: a messy, gross pursuit. 166 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 167 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: I'd imagine it's either I don't like pigs or I 168 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: don't like grease enough. But you're right, nol, This, this 169 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: shiny greasy substance is the one common factor and that's 170 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: why it plays into the name on a forensic note, 171 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: which will be important later. It would be pretty safe 172 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: for us to assume that someone covered in some kind 173 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: of oily substance would leave fingerprints everywhere, right, or footprints, 174 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: especially if they're nude and barefoot. But from what we find, 175 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: apparently they don't. Apparently that's part of the supernatural aspect 176 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: of their being. 177 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: So it's supernatural grease, is what you're saying. 178 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's the alleged thing is interesting because it 179 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: will also cake on people's skin when it touches them 180 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: it's victims or something, but it won't. It won't cake 181 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: or leave a residue on floors, walls, doorknobs, window panes, 182 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: and so on. And now that we've got an okay 183 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: description as that is as best of a description of 184 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: an orange maniac as you will find. But let's talk 185 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: about its. 186 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 5: Behavior, and we'll get to that right after a quick 187 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 5: word from our sponsor. 188 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: So the physical description of this thing sounds at the 189 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: very least woefully unhygienic, but its behavior is terrifying because 190 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: you see, unlike other monsters from folklore that primarily seem 191 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: to harm human beings in an attempt to feed on them, 192 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: or maybe to protect some specific location a sacred grove, 193 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: a hidden spring, and on and on. The orang miniac 194 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: is no and specifically for sexually assaulting its victims, typically female, 195 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: often thought to target virgins exclusively. And this minac, according 196 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: to the story, has the ability to paralyze its victims. Ooh, 197 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: so similar to the sleep paralysis descriptions of a succubus 198 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: or an incubus. It has the ability to physically stop 199 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: people from moving, and it finds them sometimes at night 200 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: when they're asleep, but sometimes also when they're awake, so 201 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: it can't entirely be attributed to sleep paralysis, right, And 202 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: there are ways you can protect yourself from a maniac 203 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: should you feel that one may be targeting you. 204 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, so the first thing you gotta do, or maybe 205 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 5: the best thing, is find yourself a good old fashioned sorcerer. 206 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: You know a couple of sorcerers, don't you, Matt, I'm 207 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: sitting next to one. Well, that's true, you're talking about Ben. 208 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. You could also arrange male clothes as in mL clothes, 209 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 5: in some kind of barrier around your bed, so almost 210 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 5: like a salt circle. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you 211 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 5: could just wear men's clothes to bed. That seems like 212 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 5: a better idea of rather than getting a whole bunch 213 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 5: of men's clothes and putting around the bed. 214 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: I do that all the time. Yeah, I do not 215 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 3: laundry pile. 216 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: That is. Another solution would be to bite your left 217 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: thumb hard and cover it in a magically treated cloth 218 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: or fabric, something that has been blessed or sanctified somehow. 219 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: This is called a batik batik, and it's only supposed 220 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: to work while an assault is taking place, so timing's key. 221 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: I'm imagining that you would need to bite it so 222 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: hard as to draw blood. 223 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: I would assume I hadn't found that, but I am 224 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: at Usually, if you have to do some sort of 225 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: magical ritual involving a bite, it does have to pierce 226 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: the flesh, I would think. 227 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 5: So. 228 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: You know, according to stories, a few superstitious people, when 229 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: they were worried that a Mignac might be in their area, 230 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: even began wearing sweaty clothes, with the thought being that 231 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: it would look like they had just had some sort 232 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: of sexual activity. 233 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 4: Wow. 234 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 5: Uh. And then there's one last thing here. It says, Uh, 235 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 5: have a big old knife. That's what it says. 236 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: You call that a knife? 237 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: That says a knife? All right. 238 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: It's just such a good line. 239 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 5: Just you know, get that old slippery Mignac with that 240 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 5: knife and you're good to. 241 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Go, right right. So in other words, just kill it, yeah, 242 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: with the. 243 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: Weapons, but you can't. 244 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 5: It's this otherworldly creature like there, and there's a lot 245 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 5: of unknown still in the. 246 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: Stories at least. 247 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's weird because it's it's similar to the 248 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: early stories of a lot of folkloric beings. You know, before, 249 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: before we had mass media, regional stories of vampires would 250 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: widely very you know, whether you're in Greece or whether 251 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: you're in Bulgaria or Syria or something. 252 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: Because the seed of the story is sort of like 253 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: it's where it starts, and then everyone goes, I don't know, 254 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: is it parallel thinking? Is it like one story that 255 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: gets translated and kind of moved around like I'm wondering. 256 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: I guess it's more telephone Yeah, in this case, because 257 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: the name might be familiar, or there will be parallel 258 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: thinking in that there will be two very different creatures 259 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: with two very different idiosyncrasies. But they're all after your 260 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: blood or your liver or whatever. 261 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: What occurs to me here, though, is when we talk 262 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: to David Bakara about Sasquatch and Bigfoot and all that 263 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: and so many reports of them moving very very fast 264 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: and running around on all four is like, you know, 265 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: the whole story he told about one going under a truck, 266 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: I believe, and like, you know, running alongside it. 267 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: This occurs to me. This creature is almost like a 268 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: more rapy, creepy bigfoot. 269 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: Geez, yeah, you know not No, it's known specifically for 270 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: that oil, but there are reports of tall ones. It's 271 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: weird because there's so many variations, and we see again 272 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: that these variations did not get codified into a single 273 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: common description until mass media. Because the mignac was around 274 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: in folklore in Malaysia for a long, long, long long 275 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: time and as well as you know, it had transmitted 276 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: through that telephone game to Thailand, to Singapore to other 277 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: areas in the region, but it wasn't really It's sort 278 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: of like how Santa Claus always looked different until the 279 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: Coca Cola commercials. It wasn't really a singular recognizable thing 280 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: until it experienced a cultural resurgence in the late nineteen fifties. 281 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty eight, three different films about Iraan Minyac 282 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: they hit the theaters. One was in a Burst of 283 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: Creativity Irod Mignac, the other was Supa Arod Mignac, and 284 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: then Sarangan Arod Mignac. The sample plot is this, We'll 285 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: just take one and Supa Irongmniac or Curse of the Oily. 286 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: Mad My favorite subtitle of any movie ever. 287 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: Great title, right. The irang Miniac was a man who 288 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: was cursed in an attempt to win back his lost love. 289 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of like if one do a 290 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: pop culture comparison and take out the egregious sexual assault 291 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: involved in the film. It's sort of like Todd McFarlane's Spawn. 292 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: In Spawn, the protagonist is not a very good person. 293 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: They're Special Forces soldier kind of guy. They die, they 294 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: go to hell. They make a deal with an infernal 295 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: creature because they want to go back and win the 296 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: love of their life and be a better person. I 297 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: think the guy's name was Al Simmons. So he gets 298 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: the deal from the devil. Then he comes back to 299 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: the world, but he comes back as a servant of evil, 300 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: and he still tries to get back with his you know, 301 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: with his wife. The devil offered to help this man 302 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: in Simba Arang Mignac and give him powers of the 303 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: black arts, but only if the Mignac worshiped him and 304 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: assaulted within a week twenty one virgins. 305 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: Very specific, very specific. 306 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to wonder if there's some numerological significance there. 307 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: In other versions, it's a little more like the cabinet 308 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: of doctor Caligari. Do you guys remember that one ye man. 309 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: That's still a spooky one. But that's where the Iraq 310 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: Mignac becomes more like almost like a gollum or like 311 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: a somnambulist who's controlled by this evil authority, whether that's 312 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: a Boma, sorcerer Caligari, it's a hypnotist. But you know, 313 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: the comparison holds true. And so for decades here we go. 314 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: I love the Bigfoot comparison. We're drawing here because for 315 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: decades people have been divided in their opinion in this story. 316 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: Is the Irong Minnac a gay man? Just a fictional 317 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: device used to enforce compliance to social norms? Don't go 318 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: out late at night? Don't go out late at night alone, 319 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Don't go drinking and drugging 320 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: in the woods. 321 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 5: Be careful around men that are not related to you. 322 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: Especially if they're kind of oily. 323 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's where a lot, honestly, that's where 324 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot of these sorts of stories originate to get 325 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: people to from cradle to the grave, obey the rules 326 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: of their society, or usually in an attempt to keep 327 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: people safe. 328 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 5: Right. 329 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: But then we have the debate that's so similar to 330 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: Bigfoot or the Yetti, which is there is a contingent 331 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: of people who've always argued that these are real, actual 332 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: flesh and blood organisms. So is it some kind of 333 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: cryptid that may now or at one time have existed 334 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: in the wild. This is an interesting This is an 335 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: interesting question because we know that Malaysia and indones So 336 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: both have been home to a tremendous biodiversity in the past, 337 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of those creatures have since gone extinct. Yeah, 338 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: so it could be it could be similar to the 339 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: Austrolopithecus theory about you know, early early human like creatures 340 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: encountering this gigantic ape. Oh yeah, or it could just 341 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: be made up to keep people from going out and 342 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: being unsafe at night, or has it become something more. 343 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: This last question is crucial because while this creature may 344 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: well be considered little more than a grizzly fairy tale, 345 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: today the crimes attributed to it are tragically and undeniably real, 346 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: and they are happening as we record this. 347 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 5: Bet. 348 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: I remember you told this to me outside of the office. 349 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: We were hanging out briefly, and I was like, I 350 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: cannot believe this is true. And the story and itself 351 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: is good, would be enough to make an episode on 352 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: its own, but this twist is out of control. 353 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: Unfortunately that's the case. What are we talking about. We'll 354 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: tell you after a word from our sponsor. 355 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy. 356 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 5: So before the movies ever came out in nineteen fifty eight, there, 357 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 5: you know, was an occasional sighting and crime like actual 358 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 5: crimes reported to the authorities about things that have been 359 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 5: done or crimes that have been committed by some orang 360 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 5: Minnac or the rang Minyac. And you know those those movies, 361 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: those films, they heralded this other cultural event. Reports that 362 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 5: would come in about attacks or about sightings or about 363 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 5: at least some encounter with the irang Minyac. 364 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, these reports were not just hey, there's a dirty, 365 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: grease coded guy kind of slinking around the local car 366 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: wash or something. These were reports of sightings and of 367 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: attempted sexual assault, and there were tons and tons and 368 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: tons of these. The reports skyrocket through the nineteen sixties 369 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: and the nineteen seventies. Remember that those films come out 370 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty eight, and there were I believe one 371 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: or two other Orange Maniac films that came out in 372 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: the seventies. Let's see oh Oily Maniac from nineteen seventies six. 373 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: Oh, that's fantastic. And we have to remember too, it's 374 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: like over here in the States, a lot of these 375 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: folklore type things that are United States centric. It's very niche. 376 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: The people that will be like, this is a thing, 377 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: let's attribute real events to this creature. Culturally over here 378 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: and we're talking about it's much more I think, accepted 379 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 2: as a real thing as opposed to like a legend. 380 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a conversation that's a lot more divisive between 381 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 1: the skeptical part of the population and the people who well, 382 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to say are credulous but the people 383 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: who saw something firsthand believe they experienced it. The reports 384 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: still continue, as we said in the modern day. In 385 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: November of two thousand and five, the Malaysian National News 386 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: Agency reported that a Kuala Lumpur hospital was shaken by 387 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: news that an arrange mignac or oily man was on 388 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: the prowl on its premises trying to assault nurses. And 389 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: we have the story about this because one thing we 390 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: have to note for the purposes of this story, the 391 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: nurses live on site. 392 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: So at three am on Tuesday of that week, a 393 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: nurse in her thirties who was in the nurses quarters 394 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 2: it was sort of almost like a hostel on the 395 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 2: hospital grounds, was believed to have been sexually assaulted by 396 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: a man armed with a knife and whose body and 397 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: face was covered with oil. A police spokesperson said the 398 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 2: man had entered the nurses room in the dormitory and 399 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: threatened the woman before tying her up, binding her hand 400 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: to feet, and then undressing her. This is hard, it's 401 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: hard to describe. He said that a security guard of 402 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: the hostel became aware of the nurse's situation at around 403 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: five am when he heard her screaming for help, and 404 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: then the guard untied the nurse. 405 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: Who this was her room exclusively. She did not have 406 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: any flatmates, So. 407 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: That was attempted. Fortunately it was not. It doesn't sound 408 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: like it was successfully completed. 409 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 5: But it is weird that there is no report of 410 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 5: him seeing anyone or any like. I'm not seeing a 411 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 5: lot of the evidence of oil. 412 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: And the nurse in this story claims that it was 413 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: at a wrong Mignac in two thousand and five. Yeah, 414 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: this continues. In Christmas of twenty twelve, The Star Online 415 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: reported there were mooltultiple sightings over the Christmas holidays. One 416 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: eyewitness even described its behavior. They saw it moving. 417 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a quote crawling up the stairs of 418 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 5: the house, just like Spider Man. When it reached the top, 419 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 5: it suddenly jumped onto the roof. I don't think a 420 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 5: human could do that. It then just disappeared. 421 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: And the person who's reporting this, the eyewitness, says, we 422 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: can laugh and joke about this, but this is serious. 423 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: All the families here have young girls. Yeah, so this 424 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: sounds like a person saying, I get that this might 425 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: sound provencial, or this might sound like a rural superstition 426 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: to people reading this story, but we are actual people 427 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: who live here. 428 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 5: We're genuinely concerned. 429 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. In twenty sixteen, The Star also reported a 430 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: woman claimed that she had nearly been assaulted by an 431 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: orang Mignac at a petrol station gas station toilet was 432 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: via the Harry and Metro. She gave her name, Ili 433 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: Sharia Modea. She was thirty years old. Told police she 434 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: put up a struggle because a man dressed only in 435 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: red underwear entered the entered the restroom while she was 436 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: in there. I was in one of the stalls when 437 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: I heard the door to the main toilet entrance open 438 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: and close. Had a bad feeling decided to leave when 439 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: I saw the man clad in underwear. He tried to 440 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: push her back into the cubicle the bathroom stall, but 441 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: she fought him off and ran out of the toilet, 442 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: shouting for help. The guy ran away toward the back 443 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: of the gas station. The police confirmed this happened. The 444 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: police confirmed that she said there was an arrangue. Minyac 445 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: and police, we should note, are actively cited in these investigations, 446 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: sometimes in a skeptical way. In twenty seventeen, in August, 447 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: police debunked an arrangue Mennac story or they denied it. 448 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: In Malacca, there was a village the two villages Malacca 449 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: Tenga and just Sin and the Assistant Commissioner, Afnesar Ahmad 450 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: was asked about these messages that were circulating over social 451 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: media over the past two days. There were attacks that 452 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: were rumored to be perpetrated by arang Minyac and he said, 453 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: quote such unfounded claims will cause unnecessary anxiety among villagers. 454 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: Will act against those who spread such lies. So he said, 455 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: We're we're going to not only deny this stuff, but 456 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: if you're spreading this stuff, we're going to shut you down. 457 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: To at this point in the story, the creature had 458 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: supposedly entered five homes in the area and attempted at 459 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: the very least the attempted acts of assault. And this 460 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: leads us to the question, this is something we had 461 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: talked about off air two. What's going on? You know, 462 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: the reports have declined since the sixties and seventies, but 463 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: there's still occurring. That last story is from twenty seventeen, 464 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: that was not very long ago. Is there something like this? 465 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: Oh okay, something's happening right. 466 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So to me that the story of the 467 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 5: woman in the bathroom with a man clearly wearing red underwear. 468 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 5: To me, that one is easily just a human male, 469 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 5: at least in my mind, a human male that is 470 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 5: a monster and attempting to rape a woman in a 471 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 5: bathroom stall. That's what it sounds like to me. But 472 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 5: then it has that cultural surrounding of what a rapist 473 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 5: essentially is. 474 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: Well, and my question too is how how do the 475 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: cultural kind of stars align that this they are able 476 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: to successfully blame it on this urban legend, Like I 477 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: wanted to bring that up earlier, like, how do you 478 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: think do you think in general culturally there's more of 479 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: a willingness to accept myth as reality than there is 480 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: over here. I'm wondering what you think is leading to 481 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: this being a legitimate thing to blame these crimes on. 482 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 5: Right. 483 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: Also, well, we have to remember that one person's myth 484 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: is another person's matter of fact. You know, depending on 485 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: where they live. There are people who will assure you 486 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: that everyone in the United States is deluded because they 487 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: believe in myths like democracy or capitalism, which is not 488 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: the same hopefully as a supernatural creature breaking into people's 489 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: houses at night. But it's also not perfect. It's weird 490 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: because we have to wonder. We have to wonder how 491 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: much of it is willing you know, like you said, 492 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: a suspension of disbelief, a willingness to attribute mundane tragedies 493 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: to supernatural causes. It Also, you guys have heard about Iceland, 494 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: right and their belief in elves or fairies. If you're 495 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: familiar with this. Our super producer Paul Michig Control Decad 496 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: traveled to Iceland and I can't remember if we talked 497 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: about it. We've got to figure this out off air. 498 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: I have heard that people will attribute construction problems and 499 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: things to elves in Iceland, and surely a lot about 500 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: that is with a nod and a wink, But there 501 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: was some There was some poll I read wherein the 502 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: residents of Iceland who participated self reported to believe in 503 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: in elves, to actually, no fooling believe in them. And 504 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: you have to you have to wonder if you're in 505 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: an environment where you may be relatively isolated, our knowledge 506 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: of what is or is not true is largely going 507 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: to be based on our own experiences and interactions. 508 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can. 509 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: You can read about a country like Bhutan, for instance, 510 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: for your entire life. You can see pictures that say 511 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: they're from there. But there are people will argue that 512 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: you don't know something for sure unless you experience a firsthand. 513 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't particularly subscribe to that or ascribe to that rather, 514 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: but there are people who who believe that. So maybe 515 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: maybe they're saying, I believe this because I saw something 516 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: inexplicable and the closest thing to my knowledge in my 517 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: like data banks that resembles what I know that I 518 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: physically saw is this thing called in the wrong minnac 519 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: So maybe. 520 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 5: They believe it. 521 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: And also I want to walk back what I said, 522 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: just ever so slightly, Like I mean, you know, you 523 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: could say that Christianity is a myth and that people 524 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: outside of the United States look at that as being 525 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: a widely accepted belief as bonkers, and like like, how 526 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: could you believe in this magical creature of Jesus Christ? 527 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 528 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: It's just all about It's all about your perspective and 529 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: where you're coming from. What is a myth versus what 530 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: is a belief system? And I just think it's interesting. 531 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: You know, we blame things on religion all the time, 532 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: you know, so it's really not that different. 533 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 5: You know. 534 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: It's true. 535 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: Legally we do have things called acts of God. Yeah, like, 536 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: all right, sorry, we don't have to pay you for 537 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: this because it was an act of God. 538 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 5: I think that should be changed to nature's Yep. 539 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: So you heard to hear, folks, you heard it hear first, folks, 540 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. Regardless though, then this, this is a conversation 541 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: that can get very deep and very complicated very quickly, right, 542 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: regardless of what you think and know. To be absolutely clear, 543 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: we are not we are not making a one to 544 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: one comparison between the irong maniac capitalism, Christianity and democracy. 545 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: Those are ideologies, but there's still they're beliefs, right, Yes, 546 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: there's still beliefs at this point. Though regardless value feel 547 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: about any of those things, it looks extremely likely, I 548 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: would say overwhelmingly likely. In fact, I would say I 549 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: have certitude about this. I am certain that at multiple 550 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: times genuine sexual rhymes were either dismissed or actively covered 551 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: up through attributing this to a supernatural creature. 552 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 4: No, it wasn't. 553 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't that guy who has had like four or 554 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: five other previous run ends with the law. It was 555 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: the Iraq Mignac. 556 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with that which you assert, Ben Bold. 557 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: I mean there's always the notion of public panic too, right. 558 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that people are always intentionally trying to 559 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: cover up a crime using this. There's always a notion 560 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: of an outbreak, like a moral panic. They're called. Yeah, 561 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: and I know in our previous work with reports of 562 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: serial killers, for instance, one thing that we've seen happen 563 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: every single time, Every single time there is an active, 564 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: identified serial killer that has not been apprehended, or even 565 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: after the most likely suspect is apprehended, police departments and 566 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies will be inundated with the weirdest calls. 567 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: People who confess to be in the killer because they 568 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: want attention, people who are certain they've seen the killer, 569 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: people who have some sort of like very very low 570 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: effort count to Monte Cristo revenge scheme, who reports someone 571 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: they don't like at worker in their personal life as 572 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: the killer. That happens so often. And then this also 573 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: has a little bit of a cultural divide. Is someone 574 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: saying there's a language divide, right, That's a better way 575 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: to say it. Is someone saying that when they're saying 576 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: I was attacked by a ring minac. Do they mean 577 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: I was attacked by this supernatural creature or do they 578 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: mean I was attacked by this creepy dude covered in 579 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: slime or oil? In this case, regardless public panic aside, 580 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: it looks like several cre took advantage of a longstanding belief. 581 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: And as we record this, these people got away clean 582 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: with their crimes. They dressed up right, I mean this 583 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: is and not to sound dismissive, they disguised themselves. They 584 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: participated in cosplay for the purpose of crime. This is 585 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: similar to saying, for instance, let's make let's make it 586 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: part of folklore that Bigfoot is, in addition to being 587 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: real known for robbing banks, and then let's all dress 588 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: up as Bigfoot and start robbing banks. 589 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 5: Brilliant. 590 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: And then it was never it was never us. 591 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 3: It was a group of big feet. 592 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: Big feet. But this, this is the case, and this 593 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: is something at this point we haven't we haven't cracked 594 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: the case on. We know that the police clearly hate 595 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: this idea. It's not helpful for an investigation. 596 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 5: No, not at all. At least again, I keep going 597 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 5: back to the red underpants thing because at least that's 598 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 5: a good description of the person, and hopefully a witness 599 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 5: saw that person. If you just describe it as a naked, 600 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 5: oily human being that is this other creature, that's not 601 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 5: a lot to go on for law enforcement. That's definitely unfortunate. 602 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 5: You can only hope that people out there very soon 603 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 5: will begin to understand that there are awful human beings 604 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 5: that exist in the world that will do terrible things, 605 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 5: and those are the ones that you need to blame 606 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 5: it on, not some myth. 607 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: It's interesting because there are other reports. Asia One reported 608 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: that as recently as twenty twelve, in some regions of 609 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: the area, people overwhelmingly did believe in the wrong MINNAC, 610 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: especially in Kumpung lack Samana. It's apparently very difficult to 611 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: find a resident who doesn't believe in IRANGMNIAC or feel 612 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,439 Speaker 1: like they have seen it. This was a place where, 613 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: remember we talked about the spike in reports. Over Christmas 614 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: of that year, two hundred people went out into the 615 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: street patrolling the area. They carried machetes, axes, sticks, whatever 616 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: they can find, and spotlights. So people actually went out 617 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: on a search for this thing. 618 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 5: And you know, there's something else here, because when we 619 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 5: were describing what an Irang Mignac is or could be, 620 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 5: with all the various descriptions up at the top of 621 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 5: this episode, one of the major versions of this is 622 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 5: a spurned lover, a human being that is a spurned lover, right, 623 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 5: So it's even if there is some kind of supernatural 624 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 5: or the belief of supernatural power working through this human being, 625 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 5: it is a human being. And I think it as 626 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 5: long as that is kept. Perhaps I know that's not 627 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 5: the only description, but if that thought is kept, then 628 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 5: hopefully some of these some of these human monsters can 629 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 5: be apprehended and this could be stopped, and at least 630 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 5: in the minds of people, they could have that framing 631 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 5: of seeing something very real, even if it is supernaturally enhanced. 632 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 5: So yeah, I guess I don't know what else to say. 633 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: Well, you know, at this point is where this is 634 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: where the story ends. It's tremendously fortunate that these reports 635 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: have precipitously declined, but it's tremendously tragic that they still continue, 636 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And this is where we 637 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: want to hand this story over to you. Thank you 638 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: so much for listening. Let us know if there are 639 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: any similar things like this in your neck of the 640 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: global woods, whether that's Peru, Pennsylvania, Paraguay, Paris, even places 641 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: that don't begin with a peace, and we're asking this. 642 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: We're asking for this because it may surprise you to 643 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: learn how many stories, maybe not this sinister, maybe not 644 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: this disturbing, but how many stories like this the supernatural 645 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: impinging on modern life. How many stories like this exist 646 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: and are not well known. 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