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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lalli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and it is well it's not Christmas EVE,

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Speaker 1: but it's Christmas. It's Christmas Eve. Ev ev e V right,

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Speaker 1: playing on ev ev EV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they play on EV which is tomorrow, just tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Steel Holidays all Yeah, Happy holiday. Steelers hosting the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Bengals at eight and six, the Steelers at seven and seven.

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Speaker 1: That's a four thirty game at Akroshure Stadium, and that

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Speaker 1: will be the final game of the twenty twenty three season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: right across stadi at your sure Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Thinking about going to your last shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just you know, looking at this game. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about it all week long. I think you know,

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers, you need you need to get a

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Speaker 1: good mistake free game out of Mason Rudolph in this

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Speaker 1: game to have a chance to win, because your defense

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Speaker 1: isn't gonna be able to necessarily bail you out of

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Speaker 1: this one.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I feel the same way that, especially defensively.

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Speaker 3: I'm really looking for to the Porter Higgins battle, and

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Speaker 3: I think at worst that'll be a draw. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think the Porter will do Yeoman's work against them.

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Speaker 3: I also think the Steelers defensive front, which we haven't

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Speaker 3: talked about enough, is better than the Bengals. Yeah, big men.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just is, and they need to have

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Speaker 3: a great, great game.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: The rest of the Bengals not mentioned there, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, there are other four dudes that will be

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Speaker 3: on the field I don't think are phenomenal, but they

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Speaker 3: still have such good matchups. You know that they've been

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Speaker 3: spreading the ball so much that I assume they'll take

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Speaker 3: that same approach to this game. Target ten, eleven, twelve

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Speaker 3: guys again and more or less not even important who

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Speaker 3: it's just who's on the other side, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. So that's going to be problematic for the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: and hopefully they can deflect some of those balls or

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Speaker 3: tip passes things like that and you know, pick them

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Speaker 3: off a few times.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking here at ESPN's preview of the game, okay,

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Speaker 1: and they have their little ball prediction in there, and

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Speaker 1: the bold prediction from Ben Baby, who covers the Bengals

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Speaker 1: for Cincinnati or for ESPN Fans Report.

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Speaker 2: Okay, his bold prediction.

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Speaker 1: Is that t Higgins will have at least one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty yards receiving with Jamar chase out because the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are down safeties, making Fitzpatrick and Damonte Kz. I

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Speaker 1: think he's out of his mind.

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Speaker 2: See I've seen it's spent a good good week for me.

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Speaker 3: Actually, of looking at all the different fantasy sites I've

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Speaker 3: looked at, some will be like boy dow off T

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Speaker 3: Higgins because Jamar chases out and he gets X amount

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Speaker 3: more targets whenever you know, chases out right and the

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Speaker 3: Steelers outside, you know, are allowing x production to wide receivers.

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Speaker 3: And then you look at other sites like this site

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Speaker 3: is a little more tuned in bad matchup this week

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Speaker 3: because Porter, you know, like, I mean, we know the

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Speaker 3: answer to that. But I would not be super excited

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Speaker 3: to use Higgins for DFS or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, so, if I'm Mike Tomlin, I treat

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Speaker 1: this game like I do I run a box on

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Speaker 1: one basically, if I'm if I'm coaching in basketball terms, here,

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Speaker 1: when when T. Higgins comes out onto the field for warmups,

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Speaker 1: he should be wearing Joey Porter. Joey Porter should pick

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Speaker 1: warm ups and just stay on you just you got

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Speaker 1: him all day long. I don't care where he goes.

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Speaker 1: He's wearing a twenty four jersey on him the entire time.

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Speaker 3: Which is a huge compliment to the rookie too, is

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Speaker 3: this is a high end receiver with or without Chase.

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Speaker 3: We need you, young pup, and you've proven that you

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Speaker 3: can handle it. You got him, and we're not going

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Speaker 3: to give you much help either. Yeah, we got to

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Speaker 3: help everybody. We can't, We really can't, right, and we

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Speaker 3: very coverages in the middle. Hopefully the young quarterbacks. You know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think that. And to me, Higgins is

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Speaker 2: I think so too.

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Speaker 1: I mean just stylistically, stylistically, yeah, because he's a big receiver,

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Speaker 2: I mean he could go up and pluck it on

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Speaker 1: He can do that.

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Speaker 3: think that he's Porter's proven to be able more than

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Speaker 3: about this is, hey, you're on your own in a

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Speaker 2: Know, I mean a smaller Tyreek Hill of course. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's everybody exclusive there. But no, the style receiver

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Speaker 3: makes sense for Porter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you know, I think when you look

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Speaker 1: catch some balls? No? Absolutely not, but oh he will.

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Speaker 1: Browning is apt to do that? As Burrow is?

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Speaker 3: Along those lines, the question I was going to ask

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Speaker 3: you is do you think the Bengals coaching staff, Browning,

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Speaker 3: get t the ball twelve to fourteen targets.

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Speaker 2: In this game.

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Speaker 1: I think they try to do that because it just.

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Speaker 1: I think you try to do both. But I think

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Speaker 1: when you need the chunk's, particularly on third downs, if

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Speaker 1: it's third and long, Yeah, you're looking for Higgins in

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Speaker 1: I think so much better than their other pass catchers

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Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 1: I think when it's third and seven, you're going to Higgins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or run play action, we're gonna take a shot

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Speaker 3: over the top, or you know need this play places

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Speaker 3: and we got to complete a pass.

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Speaker 2: We're going to our best guy, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it crazy to think like I've I'll pull

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Speaker 1: back the curtains here a little bit. I've already sent

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Speaker 1: him my my my three guarantees for tomorrow game show,

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Speaker 1: and two of them evolved tight ends for each team.

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Speaker 3: Ah, I could see why you'd be going that way,

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Speaker 3: and that makes perfect sense. I mean, the Steelers production

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Speaker 3: We know that it's been really really high. Everyone watched

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Speaker 3: what Friar Moveth did to their grew just a few

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Speaker 1: Everybody's done that everyone all season. This has not been

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Speaker 1: a recent thing that the Bengals haven't covered a tight

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Speaker 3: All season, which is remarkable to me with the with

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Speaker 3: the players that they have. Yeah, I know they have

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Speaker 3: two new safeties, but that's not excuse. I mean Dax

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Speaker 3: Hill's not bad, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and your linebackers are you know people talk players

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Speaker 1: paying them to Yeah, those those guys are some of

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Speaker 1: Heith Miller used to have big games against the Bengals

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Speaker 1: because they play that. All right, We're gonna play cover

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Speaker 1: ten catches for one hundred yards. But we don't think

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, no, I do think that it is

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Speaker 3: definitely some of it, without question, without question.

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Speaker 1: The problem for the Bengals is at times this year

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Speaker 1: the tight ends a beating them.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they've been tearing them up. So I'm guessing

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Speaker 3: non existent.

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Speaker 1: On the score. It could be a big, a big

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Speaker 2: Could be, could be.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Steelers also see a lot of thirteen personnel?

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Speaker 3: Both these teams really live in eleven, but.

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Speaker 1: The first game against the Bengals, the Steelers lived in thirteen.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say, is and I could

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Speaker 3: of games. But I bet they're drifting towards twelve more

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Speaker 3: because they're getting a lot of their tight ends involved.

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Speaker 2: It's just a big rotation.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially this week when you're down Chase exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's where I's going with is if Chase is out

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Speaker 3: and you're rotating in four tight ends, and that's how

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Speaker 3: them to sub their linebackers and safeties out maybe they

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Speaker 3: less eleven from both teams in this game. Would make

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, if you look at what

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati's their depth chart here right now, I mean they're

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's a woozy A and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Britt is out, You're still you're starting. DJ Turner,

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Speaker 1: Mike Hilton like Jones. Yeah, that's what they are. So

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Speaker 1: it's a woozy A and Turner as the starters. I

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Speaker 1: you can keep Mike Hilton off the field, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: bother me as much. So more twelve to thirteen to

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Speaker 1: keep him off there, because we all know about him.

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Speaker 1: He's an excellent blitzer, that's what he does. Everything can

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Speaker 1: really blow up some run plays as well. It's not

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Speaker 1: just blitzing to get sacks, it's blitzing and stopping running

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Speaker 1: backs from and I just wonder if you keep them

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Speaker 1: Hilton standing on the sidelines. It might be their best

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Speaker 3: Certainly pound for pound or you know, big plays or

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Speaker 2: I know Hill's gonna.

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Speaker 2: That Carter, Okay, he's the Florida dude.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't think so either, So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: They've now brought into play that that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: year stretch, in a fifteen year stretch, lost one, and

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Speaker 1: then advanced to the seven conference championship games, many times losing.

440
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,120
Speaker 2: To the Stags.

441
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 1: Right right, right, of course, here's the here's the deal

442
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,919
Speaker 1: with this though, So if you look at these, put

443
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Speaker 1: New England on its own, no pedestal.

444
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, the others are all pretty similar. Yeah, the Niners

445
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,640
Speaker 3: at four super Bowls, which is pretty they.

446
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 1: Had four Super Bowls. Yeah, two Hall of Fame quarterbacks

447
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: spanning that that time period.

448
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

449
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,439
Speaker 1: But if you look at that, most of those teams

450
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: for the for those teams for the most part, even

451
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at New England or I'm sorry,

452
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: if you look at San Francisco, free agency didn't start

453
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Speaker 1: until ninety three.

454
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, once you had a good team,

455
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:37,400
Speaker 2: you had a good team.

456
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Speaker 1: You had a good team, the team was your team. Yeah,

457
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 1: you're running it back year after year after year after

458
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: year until those guys get.

459
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: Old and no one's plucking Lynn Swan off your team. No, yeah,

460
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: right right.

461
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: If you look at those those teams, you know, two

462
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: of these these streaks started in the sixties. There weren't

463
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Speaker 1: as many teams.

464
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: There wasn't many teams, right, and the bad teams stayed

465
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Speaker 3: bad and the good teams stayed good.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, if you won the Super Bowl back then,

467
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: you're you know, you well get the twenty fourth draft

468
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Speaker 1: pick this year.

469
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: You know, as opposed to steal on anyone off my roster.

470
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: Nobody's taking anybody you can unless they unless you didn't

471
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 1: want the guy anymore. He wasn't a part of your team.

472
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 3: And Ken Stabler wasn't holding out, you know, demanding a trade.

473
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 3: You know, things like that didn't happen either of the

474
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 3: I mean, the players didn't have the once you had them,

475
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 3: you had them.

476
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Speaker 1: And for long periods of that you played fewer games.

477
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: True, so maybe injuries weren't as likely to derail your season,

478
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 3: like the Steelers had their one year where they lost

479
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 3: everybody and still made the playoffs though, yeah, and still

480
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 3: kept a streak a lot, you know, a winning season

481
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: type of streak alive.

482
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Speaker 1: It's interesting, It just it was it's you know, to

483
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Speaker 1: do this in this time period where there's so much change.

484
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: If you go, you go ten and six, you're probably

485
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Speaker 1: drafting you know, twenty fifth this year, in this year. Yeah, yeah,

486
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: in this area.

487
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: Ten and seven, you we're definitely twenty year later.

488
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: Your twenty year later. Every year, free agency is gonna

489
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: pluck guy off your roster every year, so the roster changes.

490
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 2: You're always picking late.

491
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always pretty much over for every NFL team.

492
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: It's basically a twenty percent turnover. Okay, so actually more

493
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: than that, because it's about twenty new guys, I should

494
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: say every year on your roster.

495
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 2: I mean along those lines. We could do the research,

496
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: but I know the answer.

497
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure a higher percentage in the seventies and eighties

498
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 3: and probably even into the nineties of playoff teams year

499
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 3: X went back the next year than they do now.

500
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: You know, like a lot of teams, like the Giants

501
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 3: come from nowhere, have one good year this year and

502
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 3: go to the playoffs, like because that's what the NFL wants.

503
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: They don't want the bottom feeders to stay bottom feeders.

504
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: Where you want everybody the idea is to get everybody

505
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: eight and eight. Yeah, yeah, you know what we have when.

506
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: Cap exists as it does and the bad teams get

507
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: the yearly picks, et cetera, et cetera.

508
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: So that's interesting real quick.

509
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 3: I mean this is like ancient NFL history almost, but

510
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 3: early in the Landry era, people were really really hard

511
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: on the Cowboys. They can't win the big win, the

512
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: big Yeah, Like that was a big stigma for that

513
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: team for like a decade. I mean, if people forget

514
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: that I mean, and the Packers were good then and

515
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 3: things like that too. I mean that's pre Steeler dominance.

516
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's a remarkable run and it's

517
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: not over yet, no, but it's threatened. It's threatened. It's

518
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: been threatened in some previous years as well, and they've

519
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: figured out ways to stay relevant. But things can go

520
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: south on you quickly. Look at the Patriots.

521
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think things can go south on you

522
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 3: much quicker now than those any of those other eros,

523
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: for sure, because I mean we made it's not even

524
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: a joke, but it boggles my mind a little because

525
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: I was five years old at the time. But like

526
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: if the Steelers draft win the Super Bowl or eve

527
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: if they don't know, who cares where they land. But

528
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: even it's probably true for the Niners in the eighties too,

529
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: your first round pick probably doesn't even start, you know,

530
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Speaker 3: like we don't even need that guy, you know, like

531
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.

532
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: Draft, especially if you're picking him in the twenties, you're.

533
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 3: Picking him in the twenties. But nowadays, I mean, any

534
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: first round or is going to play.

535
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: It because of the attrition that you have from free agency. Yeah,

536
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: and there's more teams out there.

537
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: Boy, I'm excited I got drafted by the Steelers. Maybe

538
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: we'll win super Bowls, but I may not even play.

539
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if there had been free agency in the seventies, oh,

540
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean, those Steeler teams don't win for super.

541
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: Bowl, no chance.

542
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean, think about the Swan Stalwart Webby draft class,

543
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 3: like they'd all be free agents to say the same time. Right,

544
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: we'll put the fifth year option on swanee, but we're

545
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: gonna make some tough decisions.

546
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: Make a franchise Webby. Yeah right, right, but.

547
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: There goes Lambert definitely can't keep Stalworth, franchise Swan. So

548
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: we have to draft the receiver in the first round

549
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: next year and he has to play. Yeah, and he's

550
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: at twenty eighth pick or whatever.

551
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

552
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just such a different era, and so I think,

553
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if everybody truly appreciates what

554
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: this has been.

555
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: I'll also say this staintings.

556
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, one of the common themes that you see

557
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: with these teams is stability, as you mentioned at the

558
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: coaching position and quarterback and.

559
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: Quarterback yeah yeah, and that's not the case here the

560
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: last few years.

561
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when they and when it when it finally

562
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: drops off, is when you don't have stability either at

563
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: one at one of those two things.

564
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them trying to think some of them,

565
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: like the Niners, were extremely fortunate or smart. I mean

566
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: they traded the first round pick for Steve Young, and

567
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: everyone thought they were crazy because he was a bust

568
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: with the Bucks. So they had they their plan in

569
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: place worked out. Danny White wasn't bad after Staubauch, Yeah,

570
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: I mean he wasn't a Hall of Famer, but he

571
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 3: was well above average starter and I think he kind

572
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 3: of just waited his turn.

573
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: They knew he was good. Trying to think who the

574
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: other ones were.

575
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Speaker 3: I mean, Brady obviously dominated the big chunk and after

576
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: Stabler there, those teams weren't as good in the early eighties.

577
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean they won that when there that was when

578
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: it ended.

579
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said that it's a was about and then

580
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: when it got bad, it got it got real bad,

581
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: real bad, real quick. I mean talking about teams falling off,

582
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean that they've been bad for three decades.

583
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: H Yeah, you know, so it appreciate this for what

584
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: it is, and and and you know, you can't look

585
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: at it and say well, they wasted this, or they

586
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: wasted that, or they didn't do this, or they didn't

587
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: do that. Appreciate it for what it is what they

588
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: did do.

589
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: There was a lot of playoff losses you mentioned there

590
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: on those streaks, oh yeah, a lot of championship game losses,

591
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: you know.

592
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: And there's some crossover again that you know, New England's

593
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: doing this when the Steelers were doing it, the Raiders

594
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: were doing it, when Dallas was doing They're not the

595
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: same conference, no, right, right, There was a little bit

596
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: of crossover there between San Francisco and Dallas a little bit.

597
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: But when San Francisco got really good, Dallas kind of

598
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: started the tail off before they picked it back up

599
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: again under Jimmy Johnson.

600
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were the worst team in the league.

601
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: They were the worst and it was the first they

602
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: were getting the Yeah, the first overall pick in the draft.

603
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: Michael Werburn was like fifth. You know, they were god awful,

604
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: one game winning, one game in a season. Bad. Yeah.

605
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: Aightman's rookie year was horrendous. I mean, after being the

606
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: first pick in the draft.

607
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: So if that's what you now, I understand when people say,

608
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: well you need to just bottom out and lose and

609
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: get it and get the quarterback. I get it.

610
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: Sure there are instances like Dallas where that works out great.

611
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: But does anybody really want to do that? Do you do? Really?

612
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Because the coach usually doesn't survive those things, and Landry

613
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: didn't and Landry did not you know that.

614
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: So they also were really benefited from the herschel Walker trade, right,

615
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: I mean, they give you like five round picks for

616
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: your running back.

617
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. I mean, but if you

618
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: think about it, even like those Raiders teams, you know,

619
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: once they started losing, you know, because they went from

620
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: Madden to Tom Flores and they you know they and

621
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: then you know, Tom Flores ends up getting fired before

622
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: you know.

623
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard this theory too.

624
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: He's in the Hall of Fame, by the way.

625
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

626
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: So if you could bought him out for a year

627
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: or two, trade Watt for a bunch of picks, and

628
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 3: you start with the new coaching staff and knew everything, Hey,

629
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: that would be fun. I'd love to be the GM

630
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: of that team that has nine thousand draft picks and

631
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: all this cap space and all this youth. And I

632
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: get that theory I'm not even saying it's a terrible theory.

633
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: I mean there's times where like Dallas, if you pick

634
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 3: the right quarterback and Emmett and Irvin and an unbelievable

635
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: offensive line that you assembled.

636
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: I mean, they weren't given to you. They didn't fall

637
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: out of the sky. It can work. But here's or

638
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: you could also be the Raiders. Here's why with JaMarcus

639
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: Russell and you know, yeah, it can go that way.

640
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: Right. The other thing, as you look at that Cowboys

641
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: team from the early nineties, they couldn't keep it together

642
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: because free agency had started.

643
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: That's when.

644
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so if you go young like this, the

645
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: windows much smaller than people think, right, right, I gotta

646
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: pick up his fifth year option.

647
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: Right, everybody's you know, oh, we got three first round

648
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: draft picks. This here great, Yeah, but then you got

649
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: to pay him all at the end of the the

650
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: rookie go back to.

651
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: The stalwarts Swan Webby Lambert conversation, it's like, well, we

652
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: got to pick two.

653
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: Of them because maybe maybe you can only pick one.

654
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, then you trade one or whatever.

655
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, it's it's much harder. It's much

656
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: harder to do in today's NFL to do it that.

657
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: Way, it is because they off the hit now.

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you better hit on every single

659
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Speaker 1: one of them.

660
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, you can fill in some blanks with free agency,

661
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 3: but if you sign one or two bad deals, all

662
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: of a sudden, that liquid environment evaporates.

663
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: Now you're now you're paying guys to not be on

664
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Speaker 1: your roster.

665
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get dynasties anymore.

666
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: That's the way.

667
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: It's a point, right, that's the way it is.

668
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Speaker 1: And so you know, could the could the Kansas City

669
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: Chiefs be the next team to run off of you know,

670
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: there are six run sixteen years of winning here. Maybe

671
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: probably not with Andy Reid still as the coach.

672
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean ninety sixteen, I'm thinking maybe another five.

673
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: It's hard.

674
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to get to fifteen sixteen, let alone

675
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: high teens won't be there.

676
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: Mahomes won't be there at that point. And even so

677
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna have a year like what's amazing too,

678
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: is the year Brady missed, they still one double digit gate.

679
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Speaker 1: Well, the year that you know, the Steelers didn't ever

680
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: officeper exactly, you still found ways to win games.

681
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's remarkable. I bet the Chiefs won't go more

682
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: than ten years. I don't know what they're there, what's there?

683
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: I'll have to I'll look it up here.

684
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Speaker 3: But I'm remarkab about the Mahomes era because they had

685
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: a winning they were a playoff team when they traded

686
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: up for Mahome. Right, So they're going to go longer

687
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: than I might have thought of.

688
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: What they're straight that wants to be two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

689
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: They're at eleven now and this year will make it

690
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: twelve or eleven. This year is eleven.

691
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: Okay, they could get the fifteen ish then, Yeah, that

692
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: doesn't sound crazy to me.

693
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what happens when kel What happens when

694
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Speaker 1: Kelsey retires? What happened Chris Jones leaves in free agency?

695
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: Which could happen this year this year too? Right? You know,

696
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, it's it's harder to hold

697
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: this whole thing together. I bet they'll still be good

698
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: because they have Mahomes, they're not as good this year

699
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: after This.

700
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Speaker 2: Year will be their biggest test to keep the street going, yea,

701
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: And then the year for that will get harder. The

702
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: year for that will get harder.

703
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Speaker 1: Right, And that's with mahomes On. I know it doesn't

704
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: sound like it, but a pretty team friendly deal.

705
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: Oh, it is the best player in the league for

706
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: being a.

707
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Speaker 1: Basically a forty five million dollar year contract. It's it's

708
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: pretty team friendly.

709
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: Which is actually pretty comparable to Prime Brady.

710
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

711
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Speaker 3: I mean he happened to have a supermodel wife that

712
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: you know, and he was just unselfish about it. That's

713
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: rare and good for him. Yeah, that's interesting, and they

714
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: saw this coming. That's the only reason Tyreek Hill got

715
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: traded was we have to trade out some asset now

716
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: for a wealth of draft picks, and that w end

717
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: up being kind of smart. Or would you rather have

718
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: Tyreek Kill right now? They'd be the best in the

719
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 3: league with Tyrak Kill.

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Speaker 1: They'd be the best if they didn't have Kelsey and

721
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: instead had Tyreek Hill. Yeah, I think they would be

722
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: better in the league.

723
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might not have Trent McDuffie or you know

724
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: some of those draft picks.

725
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Speaker 1: Well, you kind of traded Kelsey though, and gotten a

726
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: pretty good haul at that time for Travis Kelcey.

727
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Speaker 3: I guarantee the year that they won the Super Bowl

728
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: without Tyreek deep down, they were caught in surprise like that.

729
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: That was going to be their quote rebuilding year.

730
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Speaker 2: Yeah, win eight nine, ten games maybe, and draft all

731
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: these dudes and hope.

732
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: Car Loftis and mcduffee turn into stars. And you happened

733
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: in the super Bowl that year, which that's amazing.

734
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because of the I mean the quarterbacks superstar. Yeah,

735
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Speaker 1: you get a superstar quarterback and a good head coach.

736
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Speaker 1: But it just doesn't happen that way. I mean, they've

737
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Speaker 1: not won the super Bowl every year, no, right, you

738
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Speaker 1: know they they've they've lost conference championship. Yeah.

739
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Speaker 3: I mean they were a good team, a good team,

740
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Speaker 3: and then they as a playoff team, they trade up

741
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Speaker 3: to go get Mahomes and then since then, I mean,

742
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: a bad year for them is losing the conference championship.

743
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: So they're i mean, they're remarkable, but we'll see. You

744
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: might play a road game this year in the playoffs. Yeah,

745
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: it's never had time ever.

746
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so much of it if you if you

747
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: look at, for example, the Patriots, the Patriots never went

748
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl in a year that they had

749
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: to play a road playoff game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

751
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm sure there's breaks all through history. I

752
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: don't know that the Steelers division the seventies was great either, right,

753
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 3: I don't know it was, it was good, yeah, I mean,

754
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: and certainly Steelers Ravens storing this year has been huge.

755
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: And Bengals, you know, the Bengals will put some very

756
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: good teams out there as well.

757
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: The Oilers, people don't remember in the seventies were phenomenal

758
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: and they were always the bridesmaid. But my point is

759
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: you have to have some luck too, and the Patriots

760
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: having a weak division for that whole stretch certainly played

761
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Speaker 3: into it.

762
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it really was. The other three teams weren't

763
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Speaker 2: particularly good.

764
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Speaker 1: Never. Yeah, it was tough. It's tough, but well, we'll

765
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Speaker 1: see if the Steelers can continue this streak another year.

766
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Speaker 2: That is harder now was seventeen too.

767
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Speaker 1: It most definitely can't push, Yeah, unless you somehow get

768
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Speaker 1: a high in there at some point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, these streaks will be less and less

770
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Speaker 2: going forward. Absol the point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna get to another break. He is

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the

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Speaker 1: drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: more right after this. Welcome back. He is Matt Williamson.

775
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

776
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt we had a game

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Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, and uh.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was very talitating. Yeah, I mean we

779
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: talked about this on my podcast today. Like those two

780
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: teams came in at seven and seven. If you pull

781
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: up the box score, you'll be like, boy, Carr and

782
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: Stafford had like exact same shootout. Yeah, exact same games.

783
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: They both did pretty well. You know, the quarterbacks were strong,

784
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: Rams ran the ball better. But this was a pretty

785
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: equal game.

786
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Speaker 1: Yeah, finishes thirty to twenty two. It has been close.

787
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Speaker 3: I didn't feel that way at all. Like I don't

788
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: feel that way at all about either franchise. I don't

789
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: feel that way at all about how that game went.

790
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 3: I never thought the Rams weren't in control of the game.

791
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: Like this kind of goes back to earlier in the season,

792
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, the Steelers when they were winning, Like there

793
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: were games they controlled, even if they didn't put up

794
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: four hundred yards offense, have more yards than they exactly exactly,

795
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: Like Mike Lombardi talks about that a lot, like he's

796
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: been talking about the Eagles a lot, Like Boy, the

797
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: Eagles have a good record, but they don't control games

798
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 3: like they used to, and box scorers don't always show

799
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 3: that the Rams controlled that game. And I really feel

800
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: like the two organizations are total opposite. Going back to

801
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: kind of our conversation about the winning streak, like no

802
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: one expected anything from the Rams this year. I thought

803
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: they might picked in the top three and we laughed

804
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: at their defense. I never even heard of these dudes.

805
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: And they got Stafford, they got Cup, they got Donald. Well,

806
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: they trade those guys at the trade deadline. I mean,

807
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: like that's kind of things I thought before the season

808
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: even started. Now they have all these fourth and fifth

809
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: round picks that are busting their butts and getting better,

810
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: growing as a team, and you do have the big

811
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: star on one side, on each side of the ball,

812
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 3: and mcveigh's a dynamite head coach. Like they're having fun.

813
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: You watch that game, they're enjoying themselves.

814
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: But what do they have, Matt, They've got a quarterback, quarterback,

815
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: they have a quarterback.

816
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a stalwart quarterback who's playing as well

817
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: as he ever has. And then you look at the Saints,

818
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: just their body language last night, they have a I

819
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 3: just feel like the Saints are spinning their wheels there,

820
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: their head coach, their quarterback. There's there's no excitement, there's

821
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: no answer, and the team has been doing this routine

822
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: of going up against.

823
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: The Cap to no end. And they're older.

824
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: I mean, they have a couple of young pieces, but

825
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: not the quarterback. And it's just spinning your wheels is

826
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: an average, you know, And I just can't. I just

827
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: think the two organizations were start contrast last night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you can't as a head coach

829
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: or a quarterback lose game like that. And I thought

830
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen did it was it was seven nothing and

831
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: they try to go for it on fourth and short

832
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: in midfield. You lost the game for your team.

833
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lost.

834
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: He gave up all the momentum he gave. He gave

835
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: that offense to ball midfield and said, okay, go score

836
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: again before.

837
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Speaker 3: The half here mm hmm, and those type of things

838
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: for sure, like maybe he's looking at it like, boy,

839
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: the Rams are a lot better than us.

840
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: We can't we can't stop them. I'd rather try to

841
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: stop them going eighty yards than I would go on thirty.

842
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean you don't make smart coaching decision. Yeah, yeah, right,

843
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: But I'm psyched about the Rams. I hope they get

844
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 3: in the playoffs just as a viewer. They're only lost

845
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: in the last month month and a half is overtime

846
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: to the Ravens, which I thought was as equal a

847
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: game as you can imagine. I mean, lost on a

848
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: punp return in overtime where there was six HOLDI calls,

849
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: they didn't nobody call it. So the Rams are Rams

850
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: are turning things around.

851
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: And I would remind people that this is a Rams

852
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: team that the Steelers. You want to talk about controlling

853
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: the game against the Steelers controlled that game again absolutely,

854
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, forced them to play the way that they

855
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: wanted them to play in La in La.

856
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Stafford was there, I mean it was, yeah,

857
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: it was. Now I think this RAMS team's good. Now

858
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: that looks you look back and that's a good win

859
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: by the Steelers.

860
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you look at it. Heading into

861
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: that game against the Steelers back in Week seven, the

862
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: Rams losses had come against San Francisco, Cincinnati when Burrow

863
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: was starting to turn things around, and the Eagles when

864
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: the Eagles were still playing well, and none of those

865
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: games were blowouts. Now they lost by seven to the

866
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: San Francisco, They lost by three to the Bengals, and

867
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: they lost by nine to the Eagles. Steelers beat them

868
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Speaker 1: by seven. Like people, how could you say the Steelers

869
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: were a good team at that point? They were playing,

870
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: They weren't out gaining the opponent, posing team, but they

871
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: they were controlling games. They controlled to get that game.

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00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: They controlled the game against the Raiders.

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00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: You know.

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00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you had beaten the Ravens, you had done

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Speaker 1: some of these things. You had put that on tape.

876
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Speaker 1: But things have spiraled on you a little bit here.

877
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: You're not that team anymore.

878
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: No, you need to get that back now tomorrow.

879
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can get back to being that team.

880
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: You can get back to taking care of the footbage.

881
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: You got to play cleaner first. Yeah, I mean, rule

882
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: number one is quit beating yourself.

883
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: Not have a bunch of penalties things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: And I understand those things kind of happen when you

885
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: have different guys out there. Of course, that doesn't excuse

886
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: your offensive line, false starting and things of that nature.

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00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: You can't do that, yeah, or hey, nause you usually

888
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 3: on fumble, but that fumble was crucial. Things like that

889
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 3: nature or you know, little things. You know, Bozz mis

890
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: misses one kick, you know, like you don't have that

891
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: room for air right now.

892
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just don't. And I understand it's a fine

893
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: line and the Showers were walking that fine line for

894
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: a large portion of this season. But you got to

895
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: get that back.

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00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: You got on the other side of the line.

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00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to get got to get it back.

898
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: You just can't continue to play like you've played the

899
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: last three weeks.

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Speaker 2: Because you're right, this league does snowball.

901
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: You know, like when bad things well, your offense stinks,

902
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: so your defense is on the field too much, and

903
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: then another injury hits and then you're thin here, you know,

904
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Speaker 3: like no matter what it is, or you know, last night,

905
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 3: a little thing like the Saints, maybe if you don't

906
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: go for it there, the rest of the game goes

907
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 3: a little different, or you're hanging around longer in the

908
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 3: first half, or you know, it doesn't get out of hand,

909
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: and then you're asking car to do things he's not

910
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Speaker 3: really equipped to do.

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00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: And boy, it's snowballs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to play your team's strengths and if

913
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you if your team is built to

914
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: play defense, run the football, not turn the ball over,

915
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Speaker 1: and be smart and not have a bunch of be

916
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: highly penalized. That's what you gotta be.

917
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Speaker 2: You got to be. That's your bread and butter. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

918
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Speaker 2: you can't.

919
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: You can't get out of that because once you get

920
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: out of that, now you've you're giving yourself no chance

921
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Speaker 1: to win.

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Speaker 3: I mean to me, the next steps are less hitting

923
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: the ball in the net, as we like to say,

924
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: you know, less unforced errors. You can't live that way.

925
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: And the running game has to be a strength again, yeah,

926
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Speaker 3: the offensive running game.

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Speaker 1: If they can do that, they'll have a chance in

928
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Speaker 1: their final three games. If they don't, they don't.

929
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Speaker 2: No, right, right, right, We've seen both.

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Speaker 1: Pretty simple. We're going to take another break. He is

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the

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Speaker 1: drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. That will do it

933
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Speaker 1: for our number one. We'll be back with our number

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Speaker 1: two right after this.