Speaker 1: Xander could have eaten Yoli out in front of malth
Speaker 1: and Mal would have been like, I support you, yes,
Speaker 1: she's sheen am me.
Speaker 2: No mane Yo? What is your childhood trauma?
Speaker 1: I have yo? What's going down before you? So round?
Speaker 1: Welcome to Like a Virgin the Patreon where we force
Speaker 1: our producer to talk about gay reality dating shows with us.
Speaker 1: I'm Ra's Damu, I'm Fran Toronto, and.
Speaker 2: I'm producer Phoebe in the chi the ultimatum has a
Speaker 2: rot havoc on my lege and the and the lives.
Speaker 1: We gave an ultimatum, wait be an ultimatum that you
Speaker 1: had to either be on this episode or.
Speaker 2: Or not. Should we start with the question before we
Speaker 2: get into it? Have you ever been given an ultimatum? Uh?
Speaker 3: Well I was okay, so I've never been given an ultimatum,
Speaker 3: But I was actually going to ask you, I Phebe,
Speaker 3: what drama has this has this inspired in your life?
Speaker 1: Do you have like other community members that are all
Speaker 1: divided amongst who they side with in the show.
Speaker 2: I mean I think everyone like sides with no one
Speaker 2: in the show pretty much. Yeah, I mean the people
Speaker 2: we don't the people that we don't side with are
Speaker 2: like the people who produce this show. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 2: and did not just send these people to therapy right
Speaker 2: off the bat?
Speaker 1: Yeah that really that really would have been the best
Speaker 1: way to do this is like put like a fifty
Speaker 1: one fifty on everyone in the cast. They are literally
Speaker 1: all so unthapized.
Speaker 3: It's like kind of terrifying, Like literally so many of
Speaker 3: their problems would be solved with therapy.
Speaker 2: It should have been maybe like girl interrupted, Oh wait,
Speaker 2: like as in, they should all be in an insane asylums.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3: You have to say that you said, girl interrupted, And
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think we've all agreed that not
Speaker 3: everyone in this show.
Speaker 2: Sorry that interrupted?
Speaker 1: That interrupted, girl boy interrupted. Okay, So I want to
Speaker 1: lay out for any virgins listening who haven't watched the
Speaker 1: show what it is the premise. This is a Netflix
Speaker 1: reality dating show. It's the second season, and this is
Speaker 1: their first all queer season of it. The show has
Speaker 1: five couples, and in each couple, one of the partners
Speaker 1: really wants to get married. The other one is dragging
Speaker 1: their feet for whatever, and so as they come into
Speaker 1: the show, that partner gives them an ultimatum that after
Speaker 1: the experiment, as they say it, they will either get
Speaker 1: engaged or break up. And how they do that is
Speaker 1: they meet the other contestants or like experiment members, guinea pigs, whatever,
Speaker 1: and they find a new boo to spend three weeks with.
Speaker 1: Then after that they go back to their original partner,
Speaker 1: and at the end they have to decide do they
Speaker 1: want to get engaged, do they want to stay with
Speaker 1: the new person they found, or do they want to
Speaker 1: be single. The show's hosted by Joanna Swisher Garcia from Rebo,
Speaker 1: who is not queer and absolutely did not know what
Speaker 1: she was getting into, not exciting for the show, say
Speaker 1: the words fingergate at the reunion.
Speaker 3: Oh but the thing is, I'm sorry, I just I
Speaker 3: feel like I who How many people does the casting
Speaker 3: decision need to get through before somebody says, hey, who
Speaker 3: is this woman and why is she hosting this show?
Speaker 1: Like literally, at.
Speaker 3: Any point if that question is asked in any room,
Speaker 3: like an executive's room and a casting decision room, and
Speaker 3: like in like any sort of like work room, whatever.
Speaker 3: If somebody asks the question, hey, who is this woman
Speaker 3: and why is she hosting this show?
Speaker 1: What is the answer to that question?
Speaker 2: I don't think there was a whole lot of like
Speaker 2: editorial oversight.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think this show production was horrible. The thing
Speaker 2: they thought most about was the cups.
Speaker 3: You know, the cops wait to talk about the cops
Speaker 3: talk about.
Speaker 2: The their metal continuity cups.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a thing that that happens on all
Speaker 1: Netflix reality dating shows like Love is Blind. They of
Speaker 1: these gold or silver goblets so that you can't see
Speaker 1: the contents in them, so that for continuity reasons. I
Speaker 1: don't really get that whole thing, because you don't want to,
Speaker 1: I know, But like, I don't think it's like as
Speaker 1: big of a problem. I think they've got bigger fish
Speaker 1: to fry.
Speaker 3: I agree, because I mean those continuity cups should have
Speaker 3: their names on them, because it took me a really
Speaker 3: long time to learn all their names.
Speaker 1: I think that's a you thing, babe.
Speaker 2: I've read like two different lesbian writers recaps of all
Speaker 2: the episodes, and uh no, Maddy Court, who does is
Speaker 2: Zeno Warrior Princess has a subject, And then Carmen Maria
Speaker 2: Machado made her substack free at least for one of
Speaker 2: the recaps.
Speaker 1: I want to read that.
Speaker 2: She also, I think She also wrote like a a
Speaker 2: more serious, like domestic violence related piece that is paywalls.
Speaker 1: Every your woman I know was watching this show.
Speaker 3: Every non queer woman I know was also watching that.
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone I know was watching this.
Speaker 2: I was at Dyke Day Los Angeles this weekend, and
Speaker 2: it was like I could I didn't even want to
Speaker 2: look around because I kept thinking I was seeing them,
Speaker 2: Like anytime I saw like any fake eyelashes, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Mildred like those three one And then
Speaker 2: I did see that Tiff was like making an appearance
Speaker 2: at a Pride thing in LA this weekend, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, not making an appearance, not their cameo prices
Speaker 2: on their Instagram and I'm just like, oh.
Speaker 1: God, wait, wait, wait wait remember any of the oh
Speaker 1: my god cameo? Wait, my birthday is coming up? How much?
Speaker 1: Who would you? Who would you want to for Xander?
Speaker 1: Joanna Swisher Garcia No, I used to pay.
Speaker 2: For a Xander cameo, like I would pay?
Speaker 1: No, I don't, I don't. I don't want a cameo
Speaker 1: from any of them. Xander. Let's let's face it, though
Speaker 1: Xander is hot.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think I'm the rest of your
Speaker 2: eyebrows go and piece of toast eyebrow.
Speaker 1: I mean, the hottest is definitely Mal, but I still
Speaker 1: think Xander's hot.
Speaker 2: Malay has their flaws, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like every thirty seconds, Mal would say, I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure I'm showing up for you
Speaker 1: in the right way, which is negative.
Speaker 2: For some reason, it is negative to me too, because
Speaker 2: I'm just like you are pretending you want things that
Speaker 2: you don't want. You're taking cable ship. And the hats
Speaker 2: were terrible.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, oh so many hats, the hats, so many hats,
Speaker 1: so many bow ties? What is up with the bow ties? Lesbians?
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