WEBVTT - #367 Guest Host Lauren Bright Pacheco with Sidney Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>On June nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, Vincent Wright and his

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend Anssia Johnson were parked outside a one stop convenience

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<v Speaker 1>store in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. While an Assia waited in

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<v Speaker 1>the car, Vincent went behind it to fill the rear

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<v Speaker 1>tire with air. Suddenly, two armed gunmen approached, demanding money.

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent said he didn't have any. Just then another man

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<v Speaker 1>pulled up in a brown Oldsmobile and told the two

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<v Speaker 1>gunmen to take Vincent's car and Thisssy had jumped out

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<v Speaker 1>of the car and the two men sped off, followed

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<v Speaker 1>by the Oldsmobile. Police had no leads and did little

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate until Vincent's brother gave them the license number

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<v Speaker 1>of a brown Oldsmobile he had seen driving around. The

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<v Speaker 1>car belonged to twenty two year old Sidney Holmes, who

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<v Speaker 1>soon became the focus of the investigation, but Sydney denied

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<v Speaker 1>any involvement, claiming to have been over a mile away

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. After viewing two photo arrays, both of

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<v Speaker 1>which contained Sydney's picture, as well as a live lineup

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<v Speaker 1>in which Sydney participated, Vincent identified him as the man

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<v Speaker 1>in the brown car. It seemed to make sense. Why

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<v Speaker 1>would one person be shown in repeated lineups if the

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<v Speaker 1>police didn't think he was guilty? But this is wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction. Before we even get into

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<v Speaker 1>introductions with YouTube, gentlemen, I just want to give the

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<v Speaker 1>listener a little heads up about the insanity that is

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<v Speaker 1>about to unfold in their headphones. The thing that really

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<v Speaker 1>gets me most about this case is that the prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>initially recommended an eight hundred and twenty five year sentence,

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<v Speaker 1>and even without knowing what you were accused of. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want that to resonate because I can't wrap my

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<v Speaker 1>head around of what kind of a heinous crime would

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<v Speaker 1>warrant such a long sentence. My name is Lauren brad Pacheco,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a broadcast journalist and a podcaster of such

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<v Speaker 1>series as Murder in Oregon, Murder in Illinois, and Murder

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<v Speaker 1>in Miami. And I am very honored to be sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in this seat filling in for Jason Flohm. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also very honored to be speaking to you too, Sydney Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Wrongful Conviction, thanks for having us, and also

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<v Speaker 1>joining us today is Brandon sheck Staff, attorney with the

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<v Speaker 1>Innocence Project of Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome Brandon, Thanks Lauren, it's great to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Sidney. Can you just tell me a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>your upbringing and your family.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I grew it up in a household with two parents.

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<v Speaker 3>I have two sisters. We grew up in a Christian household.

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<v Speaker 3>We know, very loving, family, were very close, all kind

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<v Speaker 3>of functions. Family functions were always coming together Thanksgiving, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas and all of the other days. The thing with me,

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<v Speaker 3>I was always a book run I'm always, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a gadget type of guy. You know, I always the intelligent.

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<v Speaker 3>I always want to be the smartest guy in the

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<v Speaker 3>in the room. I was always that kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And Sydney, just take me to who you were at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of twenty two, the year that this happened

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<v Speaker 1>in your life. What were your interests, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>were your hopes and plans for the future at that age.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, age twenty two, I was working at a hospital

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<v Speaker 3>in which they was going to send me to school

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<v Speaker 3>for a surgic technician. So, you know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>my future was bright at that time. I was highly

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<v Speaker 3>into the medical field. I was highly ambitionous, but it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And the irony is you had had two prior incidences

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<v Speaker 1>run ins with the but you had turned your life

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<v Speaker 1>around at that point, correct, Yes, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a robbery case that at the same instinct,

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<v Speaker 3>I was taking a coworker home and he went inside

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<v Speaker 3>and committed to crimes without my knowledge, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>charged with the crime as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I understand it, you did plead guilty in

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<v Speaker 1>that case, even though you say you had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>the robbery was going on. Were you offered some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of plea deal or were you told that if you

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<v Speaker 1>pled guilty it would make things easier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that was the case.

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<v Speaker 1>So when all of this went down, you were seen

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<v Speaker 1>as a previous prior offender, yes, ma'am. All right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so Brandon, can you just take me to the time

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<v Speaker 1>and the place that we're talking about. This happened in

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<v Speaker 1>Fort Lauderdale, But give me an idea of what the

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<v Speaker 1>scene was in nineteen eighty eight when the crime occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>Just in terms of the relationship between the police and

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<v Speaker 1>the public.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, Broward County, Florida, has a history, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's a well documented history.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time in Fort Lauderdale.

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<v Speaker 4>There were a lot of these types of armed robberies,

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<v Speaker 4>and actually the arrest rate where police made arrests in

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<v Speaker 4>those cases was quite low.

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<v Speaker 2>It was twenty to twenty five percent.

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<v Speaker 4>So there are a large number of these types of

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<v Speaker 4>crimes happening, and you know, not enough police a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of cases, had not a lot to go on, and

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<v Speaker 4>so there are a lot of these unsolved cases. And

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<v Speaker 4>so in those cases, you know, we see shortcuts being taken,

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<v Speaker 4>and definitely we see shortcuts being taken here in Sydney's case,

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<v Speaker 4>and those shortcuts definitely directly led to his wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>And probably contributed significantly to the fact that Broward County

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a great track record when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful convictions. In fact, according to the National Registry of Exonerations,

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<v Speaker 1>he leads the way in Florida with thirteen out of

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one wrongful convictions.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 4>There's definitely a long history, and of course that history

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<v Speaker 4>affected a lot of folks, and you know, there's ongoing work,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, still with our organization with the State Attorney's

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<v Speaker 4>Office to try to assist individuals that we can identify

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<v Speaker 4>that were affected by that history, and Sydney here in

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<v Speaker 4>this case was definitely one of those folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's also important to note that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those wrongful convictions occurred under the watch of Florida's

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<v Speaker 1>longest serving State Attorney, Mike Satz. I believe Satz was

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<v Speaker 1>in office for almost fifty years.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's correct. And you know, to mister Satz's credit,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, one of the things that he did on

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<v Speaker 4>the way out was established this Conviction Review Unit, and

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<v Speaker 4>that has continued, the review unit with great support by

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<v Speaker 4>the current State Attorney, mister Harrold Pryor. But yes, it's

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<v Speaker 4>quite unusual, especially in such a large jurisdiction as the

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<v Speaker 4>seventeenth Circuit Broward County, to have someone with that amount

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<v Speaker 4>of power for that long.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so now let's talk about the crime. This occurred

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<v Speaker 1>on June nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, Father's Day. The two victims,

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent Wright and his girlfriend, Anessia Johnson, were outside of

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<v Speaker 1>a convenience store gas station. Anicia was sitting in the

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<v Speaker 1>car and Vincent was putting air in the tires.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so there were there were two perpetrators that were

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<v Speaker 4>armed that came up to them and demanded money, demanded possessions.

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<v Speaker 4>The victims didn't have anything to give them. I think

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<v Speaker 4>the perpetrators were kind of frustrated by that. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>simultaneous to that, a third person driving a brown Oldsmobile

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<v Speaker 4>kind of came up onto the scene as it's unfolding

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<v Speaker 4>and told the two armed perpetrators, Hey, you just take

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<v Speaker 4>their car. And so the two armed perpetrators stole the

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<v Speaker 4>victim's car and drove off on the scene. And that

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<v Speaker 4>third individual got back into the brown Oldsmobile and also

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<v Speaker 4>drove off from the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>And where were you, Sydney At six thirty pm that

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<v Speaker 1>night when the crime.

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<v Speaker 3>Occurred, I was celebrating Father's Day with my father, friends, neighbors.

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<v Speaker 3>We were riding up and down the street on a

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<v Speaker 3>cold car. So for the whole day I was at

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<v Speaker 3>my parents' house celebrating Father's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>And multiple people were able to confirm that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, multiple pier cond term out way of Boss the

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<v Speaker 3>whole day.

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<v Speaker 1>So after the three perpetrators sped off, an Asia called

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<v Speaker 1>the police and when the detective showed up, she told

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<v Speaker 1>him what had happened and described the first two men.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't able to describe the man in the brown car.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, Vincent had already set out with a

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<v Speaker 1>friend to try to chase the stolen car down themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>but Brandon, they didn't have any success, did they.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, so the perpetrators with the stolen car had about

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<v Speaker 4>a five minute head start. Police actually found the stolen

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<v Speaker 4>vehicle the next morning and returned it back to Vincent,

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<v Speaker 4>but essentially police didn't have any leads. They didn't do

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<v Speaker 4>much of any of their own investigation over the next

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<v Speaker 4>few days. But meanwhile, Vincent had gone home that night

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<v Speaker 4>of the crime and had told his brother Milton what

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<v Speaker 4>had happened. Interestingly enough, Milton told Vincent that earlier that

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<v Speaker 4>same day, a group of four people who were also

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<v Speaker 4>in a brown Olsmobile stopped his car in a street

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<v Speaker 4>attempting to carjack him and were actually shooting at him.

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<v Speaker 4>And Milton believed that that same group of folks that

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<v Speaker 4>tried to carjack him were the same people that tried

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<v Speaker 4>to or that did rob Vincent and Anicia earlier that

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<v Speaker 4>same day, and so so Milton decided to take the

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<v Speaker 4>investigation into his own hands. Over the next few days,

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<v Speaker 4>he kind of kept an eye out while he was driving,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the streets of Fort Lauderdale to see if

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<v Speaker 4>he spotted any brown oldsmobiles.

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<v Speaker 1>He's basically playing citizen detective.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>And so he saw one brown oldsmobile, wrote down that

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<v Speaker 4>license plate, sent it to the police. Police ran it

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<v Speaker 4>through their system, and came back and told the right brothers, No,

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<v Speaker 4>actually that's the wrong car. Of course, they're looking for

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<v Speaker 4>three young black male perpetrators. And I can only imagine

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<v Speaker 4>that whatever car that brown Oldsmobile that Milton saw was

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<v Speaker 4>registered to was probably not a young black man.

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<v Speaker 2>And so police said, no, that's not a match.

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<v Speaker 4>But Milton continued to drive around over the next few

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<v Speaker 4>days and at one point was driving behind Sydney's car,

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<v Speaker 4>which was a brown Oldsmobile. So he gave that license

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<v Speaker 4>number to the police. Police saw that it was registered

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<v Speaker 4>to Sydney, who, of course is a young black man.

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<v Speaker 4>And Sydney also had these prior convictions for armed robbery,

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<v Speaker 4>and at that point it's kind of like bingo, here's

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<v Speaker 4>the guy that we're looking for. And from that point forward,

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<v Speaker 4>I would describe police as investigation as tunnel vision.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty incredible when you think of it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the chances of Sydney having the same car

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<v Speaker 1>as the perpetrators.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's interesting that you mentioned that, because in our

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<v Speaker 4>post conviction investigation, we consulted with a historian at an

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<v Speaker 4>Oldsmobile museum in Michigan who told us, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to believe this, but that car and that

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<v Speaker 4>precise color were the most common car and the most

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<v Speaker 4>common color of the most common car out on the

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<v Speaker 4>streets in the United States at that period of time,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I can only presume that there were hundreds,

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<v Speaker 4>if not thousands, of these, you know, very type of

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<v Speaker 4>brown Oldsmobile driving around the very busy streets of Fort Lauderdale,

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<v Speaker 4>Florida at that time. The reality is is that if

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<v Speaker 4>Milton had been driving behind another brown Oldsmobile register to

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<v Speaker 4>a young black man, then that person might have been

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<v Speaker 4>wrongfully convicted in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>But even by his own description, you know, Sydney's car

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<v Speaker 1>didn't match because what he described was a similar looking

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<v Speaker 1>car but had a blown out circle where the lock

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<v Speaker 1>would have been.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, Milton is definitely the driving force of this investigation,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, there were many inconsistencies between the car

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<v Speaker 4>involved in the one stop robbery, the car involved in

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<v Speaker 4>the attempted carjacking of Milton and Sydney's car, and so

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<v Speaker 4>one of the most significant inconsistencies is that the car

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<v Speaker 4>involved in the one stop crime, in the arm robbery

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<v Speaker 4>of Milton was described as having a hole in the

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<v Speaker 4>trunk kind of where the lock would be. It's possible

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<v Speaker 4>that that was a stolen car and so the lock

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<v Speaker 4>was popped out, but Sydney's car didn't have that. Sydney's car,

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<v Speaker 4>the lock in the back was completely intact. There was

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<v Speaker 4>otherwise no hole in the trunk, and the state never

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<v Speaker 4>provided any evidence to suggest that that was ever the

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<v Speaker 4>case with Sydney's car. And so obviously that's a very

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<v Speaker 4>glaring inconsistency between Sydney's car and the perpetrator's car. It

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<v Speaker 4>just didn't match up. And then, of course the physical

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<v Speaker 4>description of the perpetrator didn't match up with Sidney either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's talk about their physical characteristics. What was the

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<v Speaker 1>description given of the man in the brown car.

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<v Speaker 4>So in his first deposition, Vincent said that the perpetrator

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<v Speaker 4>was five foot six. Vincent said that he himself was

0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.800
<v Speaker 4>five foot eight and the perpetrator was shorter. Than he was.

0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.600
<v Speaker 4>He described him as one hundred and seventy pounds, kind

0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.719
<v Speaker 4>of heavy set. He described him as a little bit overweight,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was not Sydney at the time of the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Sidney just described to me then, what your height and

0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.680
<v Speaker 1>weight was at the time of the crime. When you

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<v Speaker 1>were twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Two, I was six feet one hundred eighty three pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>She were a tall, skinny guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, six feet about one eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>The lead investigator in this case was Detective Robert Campbell,

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<v Speaker 1>and it does seem like he was focused on you

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<v Speaker 1>as the only suspect, despite the fact that the driver

0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.680
<v Speaker 1>of the oldsmobile was not even one of the armed robbers. Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>when did you even get an inkling that the police

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<v Speaker 1>were setting their sights specifically on you?

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<v Speaker 3>My car at the time was Readyster. The address I

0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.680
<v Speaker 3>was using at that time was my grandmother's resident and

0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.480
<v Speaker 3>when they got to tag them rand his number to

0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.880
<v Speaker 3>the address, they came into the house and left a

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<v Speaker 3>business card. Satday, I need to contact them, these two detectives,

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<v Speaker 3>in which I did because I have nothing been high,

0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.200
<v Speaker 3>I haven't done anything. So I called them and they

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<v Speaker 3>came by questioned me and I actually take a photograph

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<v Speaker 3>to mirect. I didn't think anything was to that. I

0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.920
<v Speaker 3>gave him a photograph and that was that. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>first time. The next time I seen them, I was

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<v Speaker 3>being arrested for ann rovit.

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<v Speaker 4>Initially, the victims were shown what we would call mugg book,

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<v Speaker 4>which is essentially just a large book of photographs of

0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:02.000
<v Speaker 4>people who had previously been arrested for similar crimes, and

0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.440
<v Speaker 4>neither of the victims made an identification from the mug book.

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<v Speaker 4>Several days later, Sydney's license plate number was given to

0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.000
<v Speaker 4>the police, and that is the impetus for him becoming

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<v Speaker 4>a suspect in this case. And so the police created

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<v Speaker 4>a six pack, a photo lineup of six photos, including Sydney's,

0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.480
<v Speaker 4>using his booking photo from his prior arrest, from his

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<v Speaker 4>prior conviction in nineteen eighty four, which would have been

0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.640
<v Speaker 4>four years before this crime occurred, and neither of the

0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.960
<v Speaker 4>victims identified Sidney from that lineup.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, of course the photo that Sidney just talked about,

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<v Speaker 1>the one he freely agreed to give the police, came

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<v Speaker 1>into play exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And so, as Sidney explained, you know, police came to

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<v Speaker 4>talk to him and he told them, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't do this. I have nothing to hide. Yes, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>please take a photograph of me, you know, expecting that

0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.640
<v Speaker 4>that photograph is going to help a limit him as

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<v Speaker 4>a suspect because he knew that he didn't commit this crime.

0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.159
<v Speaker 4>And so a second photo lineup was created using that

0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.560
<v Speaker 4>new photograph of Sydney that he agreed to take, and

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.080
<v Speaker 4>five different people than from the filler photos in the

0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.240
<v Speaker 4>first lineup. And so Sidney is the only person that

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<v Speaker 4>was shown to the victims multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>And it should be noted that Detective Campbell was the

0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.960
<v Speaker 1>one who administered every one of those lineups.

0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.760
<v Speaker 4>The female victim, she did not identify Sidney. She never

0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.400
<v Speaker 4>made an identification. In the case Vincent, the male victim,

0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:40.240
<v Speaker 4>he identified Sidney in the second lineup, and that's the

0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.879
<v Speaker 4>principal evidence used to convict him and Sidney.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you were quite willing to assist the detectives

0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:55.480
<v Speaker 1>in their initial investigation, and turns out there wasn't much

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<v Speaker 1>of an investigation because you were arrested on October sixth

0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.080
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>That morning of October sixth, I was sitting at my parents' house,

0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.919
<v Speaker 3>actually talking to my father having breakfast at the kitchen table.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you know, to the the same to the technis

0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.280
<v Speaker 3>came knocking at the front door, say they had a

0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.160
<v Speaker 3>warrant for my arrest armed robbery. They took place at

0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:23.359
<v Speaker 3>this at that station. I'm looking at him saying, for robbery.

0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.320
<v Speaker 3>I haven't robbed anyone. So, you know, being the humble

0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.159
<v Speaker 3>god I am, you know, the Homer spirit. Okay, I

0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:34.359
<v Speaker 3>complied with law enforcement and I was arrested. You know,

0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I can't even put in the words what went through

0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 3>my head. I'm saying, why is I being handcuffed? Why

0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.680
<v Speaker 3>is I being trout with something? Having done I'm twenty

0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.720
<v Speaker 3>two A while, you know, what did I do? I

0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.639
<v Speaker 3>was speaceless, go to the kind of jail I'm in

0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.760
<v Speaker 3>art trying to figure it, you know. But like I said,

0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, the resilient person I am. I stayed humble

0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.840
<v Speaker 3>through the process, you know, praying that you know, we

0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.680
<v Speaker 3>got a lawyer and hoping that the true fights that

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<v Speaker 3>come out. Apparently it didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So a little over six months later, on April twenty fourth,

0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.480
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty nine, your trial began. Your defense attorney was

0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Mitchell Pole, and the prosecutor was Peter Magrino, So Brandon,

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<v Speaker 1>what did the prosecution present.

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<v Speaker 4>So essentially it's the identification of Sydney by one of

0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.439
<v Speaker 4>the two victims, and again that's only after the second

0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.640
<v Speaker 4>lineup that he was in, plus whatever stock you want

0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:34.320
<v Speaker 4>to put into his car being similar, although significantly different

0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.520
<v Speaker 4>than that of the perpetrator's car that he was driving

0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.320
<v Speaker 4>at the crime scene. I think it's also really important

0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 4>to note that Milton was critical to the investigation, the

0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.639
<v Speaker 4>citizen's investigation that we described, but he was never called

0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.960
<v Speaker 4>to testify at mister Holmes's trial, so the jury never

0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:58.560
<v Speaker 4>heard his perspective and precisely what he did and what

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.080
<v Speaker 4>he saw during his own an investigation. And that information

0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.600
<v Speaker 4>is critical because it's the exact reason why Sidney became

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.240
<v Speaker 4>a suspect in the first place. And without that citizen investigation,

0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.480
<v Speaker 4>without what Milton did, Sidney would never have been a

0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.399
<v Speaker 4>suspect in this case. So the jury never heard that.

0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.600
<v Speaker 4>You know, Milton is looking for what happens to be

0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.639
<v Speaker 4>the most common car in the United States at that time,

0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.200
<v Speaker 4>and you're just kind of going about his day keeping

0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.800
<v Speaker 4>an eye out looking for that car, and the jury

0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:33.920
<v Speaker 4>never heard from him. And the only thing that put

0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.080
<v Speaker 4>Sidney in the crosshairs here is that he has, you know,

0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.840
<v Speaker 4>that type of car, and he's a young black man

0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:45.560
<v Speaker 4>with the prior arm robbery convictions, and so again that

0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.360
<v Speaker 4>kind of totality of the factors just leads police into

0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 4>tunnel vision that he must have been the person who

0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:52.879
<v Speaker 4>committed this crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd also want to know that this identification was the

0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:00.439
<v Speaker 1>result of planting Sydney's image in Vincent's mind in the

0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.320
<v Speaker 1>first photo array in which he was not identified, followed

0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 1>by an identification in the second after the seed had

0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:12.800
<v Speaker 1>been planted. Nevertheless, that was the state's case. So what

0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:14.000
<v Speaker 1>did the defense present?

0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.320
<v Speaker 4>So the defense's case was that this was a misidentification,

0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:21.119
<v Speaker 4>that essentially the state got the wrong guy, and to

0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:28.240
<v Speaker 4>bolster that misidentification defense, the defense presented several alibi witnesses that,

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.760
<v Speaker 4>like Sidney said, he was at this Father's Day cookout

0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.120
<v Speaker 4>and because he was there, he could not have committed

0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.560
<v Speaker 4>this crime at the one stop. And so essentially what

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.560
<v Speaker 4>it boils down to is you have on the state side,

0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:48.200
<v Speaker 4>the one identification from Vincent. Again that happened only after

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 4>the second time that he was shown a photo of Sydney.

0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:55.119
<v Speaker 4>And on the defensive side, you have, I believe, four

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:59.440
<v Speaker 4>alibi witnesses who came into court and testified that Sydney

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.640
<v Speaker 4>was at the father's did cookout at his parents' house,

0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:06.040
<v Speaker 4>and therefore could not have committed this crime. And so

0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, the jury chose the state's evidence, the victim's

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 4>identification in court over the alibi witnesses who said that

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.159
<v Speaker 4>Sydney couldn't have possibly been at the crime scene.

0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Sydney. Can you just take me to what it was

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:20.840
<v Speaker 1>like to sit inside that courtroom?

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:26.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, it was agony. You know, I thought

0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.600
<v Speaker 3>sure that I was going to be going home that

0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.800
<v Speaker 3>day because of lack of evidence, you know, and the

0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.760
<v Speaker 3>alibi witness and alab people's uh standing on the standing

0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:41.879
<v Speaker 3>total jerum wear my wayabouts. But when they deliberated, you know,

0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 3>came back with it gives a verdict. You know, I

0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.479
<v Speaker 3>was completely and giving them four hundred er sentence at

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:52.560
<v Speaker 3>age of twenty two, I was just devastating, you know

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.439
<v Speaker 3>what a while, you know, and then I have a

0:22:55.480 --> 0:23:01.399
<v Speaker 3>six month old child. I had a daughter that was

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 3>six months so all that was taking away. So I

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:07.719
<v Speaker 3>seen none of the childhood. She was two days from

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:12.359
<v Speaker 3>being seven months old when I got arrested. I've been

0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:37.679
<v Speaker 3>in prisonbe thirty four years. My life is just, you know,

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.160
<v Speaker 3>just a snappery my eye. It was gone for something

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 3>I haven't done. So how can I feel I was

0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 3>feeling empty? I was, I was devastated, you know. So

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, It's just it was just a day

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:57.919
<v Speaker 3>that I would never forget. But to day I just

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 3>want to move on from.

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<v Speaker 1>So Sidney was not ever accused of being one of

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the guys involved in an armed robbery. He's accused of

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 1>being a guy who drives by and says, hey, you

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 1>should take that car, and then drives away. And based

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>on that, prosecution recommends eight hundred and twenty five years,

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.120
<v Speaker 1>and he gets sentenced to four hundred.

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's correct. Four hundred was a compromise. The prosecutor

0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 4>asks for eight hundred and twenty five years. The defense

0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 4>attorney came back and said, well, forty years would be

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 4>a sufficient sentence, that.

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Would be an effective life term.

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 4>And the judge said, well, perhaps eight hundred and twenty

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 4>five is too many years. I can only presume that

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 4>he landed on four hundred because it's somewhere in the

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 4>middle of forty and eight hundred and twenty five, and

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.959
<v Speaker 4>that's the sentence that Sydney got, four hundred years. And

0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.120
<v Speaker 4>so I think a lot of people are thinking, well,

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 4>why four hundred, eight hundred and twenty five. These are

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 4>just kind of arbitrary numbers. But really what it boils

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.439
<v Speaker 4>down to is, at that time in Florida, a life

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 4>sentence would have made Sydney eligible for parole after twenty

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.639
<v Speaker 4>five years. A term of years sentence, a four hundred

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 4>years sentence would mean that he would have to serve

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 4>out that number of years and he was not eligible

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 4>for parole. I know Sidney has said this multiple times,

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:30.639
<v Speaker 4>but only God can serve four hundred years, right, No

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 4>man can serve four hundred years. So essentially that's the

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 4>workaround to make Sydney not eligible for parole. He would

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 4>never get out of prison.

0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 1>Did they ever before it even got to court, did

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>they ever offer you some kind of a deal if

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you could give them the names of the two armed assailants?

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 3>They offered a deal. Well, why would I take a

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.640
<v Speaker 3>deal for something I haven't done. No, I'm not taking

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 3>a deal because I haven't did anything I'm an anathent.

0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Man, and how can you name two people you have

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.399
<v Speaker 1>no eye idea, I.

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Don't know who they are.

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<v Speaker 4>If I can just elaborate on At Sidney's sentencing after

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 4>he was convicted, the prosecutor said to the judge at sentencing,

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.440
<v Speaker 4>and I'm looking at the quote right now, I would

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 4>point out that this defendant was given the opportunity to

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 4>carry the keys to the prison in his back pocket

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 4>because of the factual circumstances surrounding the robbery. And what

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 4>he's referring to is precisely, Lauren, what you just said

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 4>is that Sidney was given an opportunity to take a plea,

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.159
<v Speaker 4>to plead to a crime that he did not commit,

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 4>in exchange for giving up the two other perpetrators. And

0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 4>of course, if you didn't commit a crime, how could

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 4>you possibly know who those other two perpetrators were. He

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 4>maintained his innocence throughout and therefore he got punished when

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 4>it came to sentencing with this very harsh sentence.

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Sidney, you were in prison for thirty four years. Can

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>you just take me to what your day to day

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 1>was like?

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I spent a lot of time in low life.

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 3>They're trying to research, trying to find, you know, a

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 3>way to become free, you know, get this charge of

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 3>me something I didn't do. But in the meantime, why

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 3>outside of that, I educated myself. I read a lot.

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 3>I love to read. I educated my self computer skills.

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I got a social degree in theology. I learned coul

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 3>their art skills, I learned counseling skills. I would drug

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 3>abuse skills. Day to day, I just kept myself busy,

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 3>reading a lot, studying a lot, always you know, by

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, scriptures. I did a lot just to keep

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 3>myself afloat. Giving up wasn't an option, and my parents

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 3>and my family member, they weren't going to allow me

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 3>to ever give up. You know, all the faith that

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 3>we have. I was always going to fight until I

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 3>stopped breathing.

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately it was a long fight, decades long. You

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>filed appeals for post conviction relief several times and all

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.160
<v Speaker 1>were denied. What was the turning point.

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, twenty seventeen, I would let's take write our application

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.360
<v Speaker 3>to the end. Surprise of Florida, and you know, they

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 3>have a screening process. You know, they have to a

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 3>lot of cases, they have to go through I also

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 3>applied to the CRU and then between them and they

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:18.360
<v Speaker 3>collaborated with each other.

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>And that was the Broward County Conviction Review Unit, headed

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>up by Assistant State Attorney Ariel dembie Berger Brandon. When

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>you started working with the CRU on Sydney's case, what

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 1>stood out to you? What were the biggest red flags.

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 4>In Sydney's case. Unfortunately, just like one read of the

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 4>trial transcripts, they aren't very long, and there were all

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 4>these holes, these things that didn't make sense. It's like,

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 4>how did this person even become a suspect in the

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 4>first place. It's not until you really dig into the

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 4>police reports, the depositions, and the discovery that's kind of

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 4>behind the scenes that the jury isn't always privy to.

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 4>When you get down to the bottom of the facts.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 4>In Sydney's case, the facts overwhelmingly speak of discrepancies rather

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 4>than corroboration of guilt. And so when you see the

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 4>specific facts in Sydney's case and how they just don't

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 4>line up right, Nothing added up. And that's not even

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 4>taking into consideration Sidney's alibi. This crime happened on Father's Day,

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 4>and he was at a Father's Day gathering that had many,

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 4>many people that corroborated that either through trial testimony and

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 4>or deposition testimony. No physical evidence, no other corroborating witness identifications.

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 4>All that the state had in this case was one

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 4>eyewitness identification.

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>And as we talked about earlier, that eyewitness identification was

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>obviously tainted. What did you learn when you dug deeper

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>into that process.

0:29:55.680 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 4>We had two separate eyewitness identification experts and everything relevant

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 4>to Sydney's identification, and they both identified double digit issues

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 4>pertaining to the identification, both the victim's ability to perceive

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 4>the event at the convenience store, but then also the

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 4>way that the lineup was composed and administered by the police.

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 4>They came back with very similar reports citing very similar

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 4>issues that have contributed to hundreds and hundreds of people

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 4>being exonerated based on eyewitness identification evidence across the country.

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 4>There was no identification of Sydney made by either of

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 4>the victims in the first lineup, and so what's problematic

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 4>in the second lineup where Sidney was identified by one

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 4>of the two victims, is that Sidney was the only

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 4>person that's in both lineups. Because of the way that

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 4>the lineup is composed, this one photo visa via the

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 4>other five sticks out to them, and so it could

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 4>be an in cater to them that police are signaling

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 4>and drawing their attention into that photo, and in this case,

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 4>that photo was Sydney's photo.

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was really interesting to the during the

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>reinvestigation that you interviewed Vincent Wright and Anicia Johnson, who

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>were the original victims of this crime.

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 4>I think Miss Johnson and mister Ray were very forthcoming

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 4>in the information that they provided to us. They were

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 4>quite honestly astonished that Sidney, irrespective of whether he committed

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 4>the crime, that he was still in prison for this,

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 4>and we appreciated their willingness to speak to us and

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 4>provide that kind of context to us to understand from

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 4>their perspective what happened.

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>So on March ninth, twenty twenty three, the Innocence Project

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of Florida and the Conviction Review Unit presented all of

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>their findings and filed emotion for post conviction relief. And

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 1>then Sidney, while you were waiting for your hearing to

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>come up, you get some really great news from television

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 1>of all places.

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what happened was ab By eleven thirty, they came

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 3>and told me the judge want to see me. So

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 3>I kind of baffled. Why would I judge want to

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 3>see me? I know the hearings on Thursday. But they

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.239
<v Speaker 3>took me downstairs to see the judge. But then they

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 3>say eleven third was too early because the hearing is

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 3>set for two o'clock. So they took me back to

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 3>the cell and I went and laid down on Then

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 3>I heard the guys shower. Hey, I think I see

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 3>your picture on TV. So I'm saying, why have my

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 3>pictures on TV? Why? You know? I didn't even see it.

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 3>It came out. It wasn't there. So I called my sister.

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Then when I called my sister, I asked what is

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.239
<v Speaker 3>going on? Then she just w was start crying on

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 3>the phone, and then I went right to I was

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 3>in Courtina at two o'clock to be released.

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>And so on March thirteenth, twenty twenty three, you walked

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 1>out of prison a free man. What did that feel like?

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know, I can't even know what to say.

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:02.479
<v Speaker 3>I was in tears, you know it. It was kind

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 3>of a bittersweet because you know, my father wasn't there.

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, he died four years ago, so other than that,

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 3>that was only a bittersweet part of it, you know,

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 3>being released that he wasn't there to see this happen. No,

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm still really you know, it's only been thirty five

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 3>days I've been home, so I'm still trying to grab

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 3>to you know, it's still unbelievable. I am free after thirty.

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Four years Brandon, as Sydney told us, he'd been working

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>on his appeals for a long time without success before

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>connecting with you and the cru What do you think

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>was the magic ingredient this third time around?

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, the magic ingredient, ironically, is the current state of

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 4>the State Attorney's Office in Broward County. You have Ril

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 4>Demie Berger and her staff at the Conviction Review Unit,

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 4>and you have the elected State Attorney, Harold Pryor, who

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 4>are truly seeking justice. I think that that is the difference.

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 4>They have an open mind and they follow the evidence,

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 4>and that's what they did in Sydney's case.

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>What's next for you, Sydney, what are your hopes and

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>plans for the future.

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I'm still working though things I always want,

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 3>like I have culinary skills and the food truck is

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 3>emine that I you know, roughly one day that might happen.

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.240
<v Speaker 3>But you know, like I say, take capitally, take finance.

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's a process. So whatever, just try to

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>keep brand opportunity to come.

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Just take it and Brandon, I understand that under Florida law,

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Sydney is unfortunately not even eligible for compensation from the

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>state because he had those prior convictions we talked about

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning of this episode.

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.280
<v Speaker 4>That's what the state statute says, is called the Clean

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 4>Hands Provision as it it's now essentially says that if

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 4>you have a prior felony conviction, you're not eligible for

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 4>compensation in a subsequent wrongful conviction, matter how much time

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 4>or whatever the circumstances are for that wrongful conviction. You know,

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 4>the data says that if you have a prior conviction

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 4>of any kind, you're fifty percent more likely to subsequently

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 4>be convicted for a crime that you didn't commit in

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 4>a later case. There's a bill pending in the Florida

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 4>legislature right now that would eradicate that requirement, if you will,

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 4>and the Instence Project of Florida is working to fix

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 4>that to make people like Sidney who have prior convictions

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 4>eligible for compensation for the wrongful conviction cases.

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, I understand that the IPF has started a go

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Fundme page for Sydney. We'll have a link to that

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>on our bio page for our listeners who'd like to

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>help Sydney get a new start. Who knows, maybe start

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>up capital for that food truck. And now at the

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>end of every podcast, we have what's called closing arguments,

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>just your final thoughts, whatever you'd like to say to listeners. Brandon,

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>why don't you start and then go to Sydney to

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>close things out.

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Wrongful convictions absolutely happen. It takes a lot of diligence

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.800
<v Speaker 4>to overturn them. It takes a lot of seeking the truth,

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 4>seeking facts. And in Sydney's case, it was clear from

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 4>the very beginning that he was innocent, what he told

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 4>everyone all along, and the system got it wrong thirty

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 4>four years ago. And there's no amount of effort, no

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:31.439
<v Speaker 4>amount of money, that can get him that time back

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 4>with his family, with his daughter, with his mother and

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 4>father and sister. But the State Attorney's office in this

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:43.280
<v Speaker 4>case ultimately did the right thing. They ultimately pursued justice.

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 4>They themselves sought the facts and the truth, and with

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 4>a lot of diligence and hard work, they saw that

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 4>Sydney was in fact telling the truth all along, that

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 4>he was innocent. And I really do commend the work

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 4>that State Attorney's offices are doing across the country to

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 4>realize when they got things wrong in the past, to

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 4>take accountability for that, and to do whatever it takes

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 4>to rectify the situation so that people like Sydney can

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 4>come home to their families and live the rest of

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 4>their life in freedom.

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, like I say, I can't say it enough, that

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 3>fantastic job. Like I say to say that you know

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 3>the new current state attorney, it's entire staff mis Bergier

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 3>and also Brandon Jeth Miller and the whole staff of

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 3>the Innocent Project. But a close statement is that throughout

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 3>this process, I will always tell the person you can

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 3>never give up hope. It's always the chance. It's always

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 3>a slim hope, a chance of anything in life that

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 3>we does. It was a hard fault. I was twenty two,

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 3>But I'm not mad with a justice system. I can't

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 3>be mad because you know that's something that's needed in

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 3>our country, you know it is if it weren't with

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 3>justice system. But I think it's broken. But I think

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 3>we're on the right track. That we got prosecuted throughout

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.760
<v Speaker 3>the country and justices throughout the country that they trying

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 3>to make changees other states that you got organizations, innocent projects.

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, they're doing a lot of hard work to

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.400
<v Speaker 3>try to reclify some of these things that's going on

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 3>in our great state of Florida. It's so much that

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 3>need to be done. But like I say, I'm just

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 3>so grateful that I had the opportunity to be free.

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 3>It was a long road. My thing is to help

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 3>help people to overcome the things that I went through,

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 3>and I hope I can be some kind of light

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 3>and I own it for them, for the youth as well,

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 3>because it's needed in our country.

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction. I'm your guest

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<v Speaker 1>host Lauren Bright Pitchecko. I'd like to thank executive producers

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Flahm and Kevin Wardis for inviting me to be here.

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