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Speaker 1: Hello, guys, welcome back to normally. The show with normal

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Speaker 1: is takes too when the news gets weird. I am

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Speaker 1: Mary Katherine Ham.

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Speaker 2: And I am Carol Marcowitz him Mary Catherine, how are

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Speaker 2: you you know?

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Speaker 1: I'm all right. I'm trying to recover before Christmas. I've

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Speaker 1: got time. I got a little bit still.

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Speaker 2: It sounds very sexy, So the audience is getting an

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Speaker 2: additional treat on this lovely Thursday.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm going for. If only it were painless,

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Speaker 1: I'd be for it permanently. But here we are.

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Speaker 2: Well, we hope you feel better soon, even if you

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Speaker 2: know that means we lose the Kathleen Turner thing.

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Speaker 1: So let's get to the news, shall we, Carol it.

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Speaker 1: I was sort of surprised by this one every year PolitiFact,

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Speaker 1: which is an alleged fact checking organization which is very

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Speaker 1: left leaning and very obviously so in the targets it

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Speaker 1: chooses to fact check and the way that it fact

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Speaker 1: checks things. It announced a lie of the year, as

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Speaker 1: it always does, and wouldn't you know it, it's not

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Speaker 1: like the president is incapacitated and we lied to you

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Speaker 1: about it and he remains incapacitated and can't do his job.

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Speaker 1: It's not that one. The one that it is is

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Speaker 1: the one where Donald Trump said that people were eating

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Speaker 1: dogs and cats eating the Dartenfield, Ohio. That's the lie

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Speaker 1: of the year. Everyone. He amplified, they say before sixty

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Speaker 1: seven million television viewers. And his debate against Democratic presidential

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Speaker 1: nominee Vice President Kamala Harris, who was i'll put in

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Speaker 1: parentheses covering up the fact that the current president was incapacitated.

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Speaker 1: Trump took his anti migrant, the US borders out of

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Speaker 1: control campaign agenda to a new level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that level is to the presidency. He took that

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Speaker 2: level to the presidency. Friends, what's so interesting about that?

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Speaker 2: And we've mentioned this on the show before, but this

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff only hurts Democrats. They think that they're helping,

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Speaker 2: but they're actually hurting. So this ongoing lie that Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden was just fine and that they thought they were

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Speaker 2: doing a good thing for Joe Biden and for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: They thought covering up this very obvious thing that was

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Speaker 2: up being a giant negative. And I think some people

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Speaker 2: are facing that reality now and other people clearly are not,

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Speaker 2: but it's just it's backfiring on them, and yet they

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Speaker 2: can't stop doing it.

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Speaker 1: Well. And the other side of the coin too, is

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Speaker 1: that Trump, although he should be more careful about the

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Speaker 1: specific anecdotes he tells, he was speaking to real problems

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Speaker 1: that real people have in communities that have been overrun

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Speaker 1: by undocumented immigrants, and Democrats couldn't allow themselves to speak

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Speaker 1: to those issues for fear of being politifacted Lie of

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Speaker 1: the Year yet fodder, Right, it's because you can't tell

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Speaker 1: people anything along these lines, including what Jade Vance brought up,

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Speaker 1: the actual overtaking of apartment complexes in a rwer Colorado,

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Speaker 1: which continues, by the way, there was a kidnapping this

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Speaker 1: week there by a Venezuelan gang. You're sort of like

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Speaker 1: just not allowed to make reference to those things, right,

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Speaker 1: and that we.

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Speaker 2: Tend to help Democrats either, Yeah, well, that's that's really it.

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Speaker 2: You have to keep pretending that it's not happening because

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Speaker 2: you don't have kind of the right messaging on it.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do say it is happening,

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Speaker 2: but we have no interest in stopping the flow at

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Speaker 2: the border. Kind of can't go both ways, and so

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Speaker 2: they keep running into this problem, right, They keep running

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Speaker 2: into this issue where their ideas are deeply unpopular. So

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Speaker 2: what they do is they point to Republicans and say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: our ideas are unpopular, but their.

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Speaker 1: Ideas are racist.

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Speaker 2: And it's like nobody's falling for that anymore. Nobody cares,

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Speaker 2: and it's just it's not a thing anymore.

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Speaker 1: Having watched Democrats are argue amongst themselves and cancel all

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Speaker 1: the rest of us for so many years other it's

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Speaker 1: as you know, as a right leaning person, it's so

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Speaker 1: fun to like, I come pre canceled, so I don't

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Speaker 1: worry as much about what I say. But watching them

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Speaker 1: do that, I do think they have lost the plot

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Speaker 1: when it comes to how to discuss things, because the

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Speaker 1: very successful tactic was just bully people until they shut up.

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Speaker 1: But they found that in twenty sixteen that forcing people

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Speaker 1: again in the same jarring way when the American people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're going through a series now where

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Speaker 2: They're angry about what happened with Joe Biden and the

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Speaker 1: Let's roll the clip from Pod Saves America.

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Speaker 3: There was a couple of White officials that went on

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Speaker 3: They say that they say it's rooted in two factors.

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Speaker 3: One Biden's own recognition that few are eager to hear

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Speaker 3: doesn't owe much more to a party that unceremoniously pushed

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Speaker 3: him aside. And then another White House official former White

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Speaker 3: I get the recognition that maybe people aren't willing to

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Speaker 3: I don't know what do you guys think he could.

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Speaker 1: Be doing quiet quitting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what we're getting, or.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what that seems to me what he is doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh instead, yes, got it.

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Speaker 3: You know, but instead of just complaining that he's not

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to like separate my like frustration with base

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Speaker 4: lead Joe Biden in his final year and culminating that

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Speaker 4: for having somebody who just wasn't an articulate and comprehensible messenger,

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Speaker 4: angry about that, And I'm a little bit mad at

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Speaker 1: I guess what I'm more concerned about.

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Speaker 4: Is less like, am I seeing Joe Biden enough? Maybe

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Speaker 4: he's right that people don't want to hear from him.

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Speaker 4: It's more like, do I feel confident right now that

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Speaker 4: That he's thinking through all the different levers of powers

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Speaker 3: Maybe he is.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell, we can't tell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll talk about the future proof in the

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Speaker 2: next segment, because that's also kind of a big deal

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Speaker 2: that all these people are saying, like, hey, Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: has to be doing stuff to stop Donald Trump, who

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Speaker 2: just got elected by the American people, from implementing the

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Speaker 2: get into that in a second. But the admission, the

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Speaker 2: he was. Eric Erickson points out today on his show

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Speaker 2: with a you know, Obama holding onto his back, The

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Speaker 2: Erickson points out that these guys, these Pod Saves America

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Speaker 2: and now they're mad about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, it wasn't a secret, right, We

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Speaker 1: could all see it. This is what made it. I

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Speaker 1: something that was very obviously untrue on its face. In

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Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty four, there was a poll with

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Speaker 1: like eighty six percent of Americans think that Biden is

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Speaker 1: too old to be serving another four years as president.

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Speaker 1: So in February twenty twenty four, eighty six percent of

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Speaker 1: the American people could see this. And you're telling me

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Speaker 1: that Pods of America guys who have interaction with people

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Speaker 1: close to the president couldn't see it. Number one, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be listening to you for advice, right. Number two,

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Speaker 1: By the way, this isn't even uh, the oldest poll

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Speaker 2: I think that that's absolutely right. What it is is

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Speaker 2: either they were blind to it or they're lying. And

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Speaker 2: either way you have to kind of look at that

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Speaker 1: Listening to you now?

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Speaker 2: And again, you know, they're Obama kind of staffers who

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Speaker 2: now have a podcast. They're clearly on the left there,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of funny that they lie to their audience

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Speaker 1: Well, and the crazy thing is, I think they're like

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Speaker 1: that poll and the debate that we all saw, And

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Speaker 1: when Dean Phillips they represented from Minnesota, was like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: very old, and everyone was like nah. Right. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 1: the New York Times said, no, there these are cheap fikes.

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Speaker 1: There's a manipulated video, cheap fix.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But now it's like, yeah, I guess that was real. Oops.

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Speaker 2: Right, The headline at the New York Times is a

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Speaker 2: weary Biden heads for the exit. It's just amazing, you know.

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Speaker 2: Actually the subhead is even better. Still stinging from the election,

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Speaker 2: President Biden is pushing for his final priorities, but has

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Speaker 2: absent in himself from the national conversation about Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: after warning repeatedly that he was a threat to American democracy.

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Speaker 2: I think what the New York Times doesn't get was

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Speaker 2: I didn't lied about that. He doesn't really think Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump would brought to democracy. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: It's not that he is too tired to take on

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. It's that he really doesn't think it's going

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Speaker 2: to be the problem democracy is going to survive the

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Speaker 2: Trump presidency.

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Speaker 1: And is also looking out for number one right now,

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Speaker 1: which is what here's always done. And this is yet

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Speaker 5: You need to proof democracy, proof, for lack of a

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Speaker 1: For administrative sabotage. I mean, is that I'm not at

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Speaker 5: You're saying they should proof that you should somehow prove

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Speaker 1: Well. The discussion of this pay raise led to an

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Speaker 6: Oh that's news to me, that's good news. You know

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Speaker 1: Fir At second, I were not paid by public money.

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Speaker 1: Durbin's like, you think I'm trash. We're both trash. We're

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Speaker 1: object to that that's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's hard to lose Illinois, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. We're led by the very best, we.

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Speaker 2: Really are, and maybe we should pay them more so

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Speaker 2: we get some slightly better people.

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Speaker 1: And well that's the question, right, I feel like we're

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Speaker 1: being hit hostage. But also could we get better people?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, maybe we could. That would

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Speaker 2: be really really good. So we've mentioned this on X

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Speaker 2: but we are going to be having and ask us

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Speaker 2: anything episode, possibly more than one. We've got like thirty

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Speaker 2: questions so far. People can email us at normallythepod at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com, or tweet at us, or we posted

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Speaker 2: a form where you could submit your questions anonymously if

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Speaker 2: you're into that sort of thing, So get your questions in.

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Speaker 2: We are going to answer them. It's going to be.

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Speaker 1: Amazing and maybe my voice will be better, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to root for that.

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Speaker 1: We're root from Mary.

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Speaker 2: Catherine to feel better by then. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 2: on normally normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can

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