WEBVTT - Seafoam 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:15.360 Okay. Wow, I'm thankful that we didn't get what Caitlin 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.720 just said on the podcast slightly well you would have 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.000 edited out anyway. Hi everyone, Welcome to the Renee Stubs 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.200 Tennis Podcast. It is Wow, what a week of tennis. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.320 We had what well ten days. We had a blackout, 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:32.279 We've already talked about that. We had some surprises, we 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:38.440 had some WTF moments. Wow, Yeah, we had some crazy, 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.640 crazy time. So let's get into it. Let's talk a 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.040 little bit about Let's start with the Let's start with 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.360 the men, or should we start with the ladies. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.280 We have so much to say about the ladies. Usually 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:49.680 let's leave them. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:51.800 Oh you want to just table the men's No, no. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.560 No, let's leave the women's for a rare instance of 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.760 us prioritizing the men and talk about the men. Okay, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.920 which was such a fun and unexpected final. Yeah, for 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:01.680 two reasons. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:03.520 Number one, Alchoriz wasn't there. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.080 Alchoriz wasn't in it, which, yes, probably him and Sinner 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.880 not being in the draw after you know, Alcrest pulled 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.160 out and obviously Sinner's making has come back this. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:14.600 Week in win a match. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.480 Novak is at Sea. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.560 Yeah, and we had two unexpected finalists in the form 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.920 of Jack Draper, who is really exciting and I can't 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:25.600 wait to talk about. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.319 And also casperud who a couple of. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.200 Years ago would not have been a surprise surprise finalist, 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.440 but this year has struggled, struggled and has really for 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.200 the last like two years or so, struggled to talk 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.479 about his own mental health struggles, which I think, you know, again, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.959 as we say often on this pod, like good on you, 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:41.440 good on you, thank you for talking. 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:42.160 About that sort of stuff. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.679 It is useful to obviously understand, and I think it 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.720 does change the dynamic around the athletes. But yeah, Casper Rude, 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.320 like exciting to see him back at the top at 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.480 least especially you know of the clay court season in 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.440 this Madrid final. What did you make of the men's 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.040 draw in total to get these two. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:02.560 Finalists, Yeah, I think what was is someone like Jack Draper, 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.400 for example, who has already won a Masters one thousand. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.840 So when you think about that, that in and of itself, 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:12.399 you've got Jack's you know, one thousand already this year. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.640 He's so young, and then you look down the other end, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:20.760 like Kaspar Rude, who's made two Roland Garris finals and 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.040 and yet has never won a Masters one thousand, which 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:25.760 is kind of crazy when you think about. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.840 You mean two rolling finals and he has open finals. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:28.560 Yeah, exactly. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.400 He has been to the highest level of the end, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:31.560 but he's never won a Master's one. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.720 Thousand, never won a Masters one thousand, So you think, well, what, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.079 what the hell, dude. But it also makes you realize, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.440 like how special it is to win a Master's one thousand. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.360 And you think about the greats like Novak and Roger 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.080 and Rafa and how many Masters one thousands they want 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.680 throughout their career. It's not easy to do. So look, clearly, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.960 our Karaz is not there, sin Theer's not there. That 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.480 helps not gonna lie. I mean, these guys are the 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.760 dominant two figures on the men's tour of the last 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.080 couple of years. But it was really nice to see. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.840 I mean, he obviously like battled his way through to 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.680 the final, and a lot of it is mental, you know, 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.320 a lot of it is lot he'd lost a little 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.480 bit of his Like I don't know, when you lose 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.240 your confidence, it's really hard to get it back. And 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.720 I have to say this, I loved that he put 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.680 out that message on Twitter to eager Yeah. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:18.160 Agree. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.560 I thought that was so classy of him to say, listen, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.200 you know, I love watching you play and like, you know, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.080 everything's going to be okay kind of thing, because he 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.799 probably felt the same way over the last twelve months 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.000 is that, you know, everyone was talking about him not 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.079 being good anymore and he's outside of the top ten 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.160 and you know he's only a clay guy and blah 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.320 blah blah blah blah. So you know all these players 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.240 that you think are you know, not human because they 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.680 don't take all of this on. It's not true. They 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.480 take all of it on. And you know, you say, well, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.040 don't look at social media. Well, okay, you don't necessarily 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:48.800 have to look at social media. It's pretty easy to 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.840 fucking pick up on shit that's being said, either on 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:51.800 that tour or around the. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.600 World because the press tends to follow it up where 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.000 it'll be a narrative that becomes self reinforcing, which is like, yeah, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:03:59.680 you know, even if you're not on social media, if 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.320 you're you're not trying to listen to the critics and 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.400 you're trying to stay in your positive bubble, you'll get 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.120 asked a question, like, hey, exactly, you know, Naomi Osaka, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.920 we you know this is your worst surface. Everyone's talking 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.480 about it on Twitter, and it's like, well, that's a 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.400 press conference, Like is that a nice or responsible thing 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.600 to do to sort of confront a player that way? 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.080 I would argue not. I'm not sure that's really journalism either. 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.800 So I think you can't help but be in the moment, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.680 and obviously we'll talk to the circumstances that inspired Casper 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:29.159 Rud's tweet to send to Egosh Fiantek in her pretty 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.120 one sided loss to Coco when we talk about the 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:36.919 women later, But yeah, wof, But Casper Rude, like, you know, 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.520 he doesn't have a massive, massive arsenal of weapons, so 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.920 he really does have to rely on like confidence four 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.119 and his forehand was big this weekend. I was actually 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.279 gonna sort of mention the fact that he looks like 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.400 he was a little bit more of an offensive version 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.520 of himself than somebody I was used to watching, even 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:53.320 a couple of years ago. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:54.120 Maybe that's just. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.599 Me because I forgot what he's played like, but it 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.719 also felt like he was taking the initiative a little 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.520 bit more, which against a player like Dreeper who does 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.800 you know, his massive size and he has a big 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.240 arsenal himself. Like you, I felt really happy that Casper 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.480 rud was taking the initiative and was a very aggressive 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:09.520 player at that final. Yeah. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.159 I mean one of the things that I noted, you know, 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.679 when I was watching the match, because sometimes I don't 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.039 watch them, and I watched them back later on. I 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.159 watched both of those matches live, and I have to say, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.960 like when I was watching the match, look, he started slowly, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.360 clearly got broken early in the first set, and then 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.400 you know, he managed to I think Jack got a 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.760 little bit tight towards the end of that first set, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.240 and then it was interesting after the first set when 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.360 Jack and I put it out on the socials, when 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.159 Jack was like, I'm done, I'm dead. You know, he 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.640 was so pissed off at himself after losing that first set, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:43.560 which is never a great sign when you're basically yelling 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.160 out that I'm dead, Like you don't want to say 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.680 that to someone like Casper who's going to grind you down. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:49.960 But at the same at the same time, he was 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.559 letting out frustration. But I think it's a it's probably 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.719 a it's probably something that his coaches or people will 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.000 tell him, and you don't see it on network television 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.320 because if you're watching the network, it's on the commercial. Yeah, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.240 So you don't see him unless they talk about it 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.640 after right, unless they say, oh well actually, and somebody 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.240 who works in television you can say to you. I 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.960 can say to my producer, hey, can you show him 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.800 on the changeover? It's talking like that. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.080 And I just want to call that up because I 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.960 so much wish that they would say that a lot 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.000 of times if I'm watching a match live, meaning like 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.120 I'm there, or if I'm watching it on the World Feed. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.320 Were you watching on the world feed or were you 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:25.040 watching on network? 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:25.640 I only watch on the. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.200 World Okay, So it'd be interesting for our listeners out 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.880 there who were watching it on the network. And one 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.440 of the reasons I'm not watching it on the networks 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.920 because for some reason, my fucking tennis channel on Spectrum 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.840 here in New York does not work. Like it just 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.479 does not work. It's either it's either pixelating or not 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.000 working or it's frozen. Interesting, So I have to go 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.200 onto my tennis channel app onto my television to watch it. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.120 I only watch on the app. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.560 Yeah, watch a network but often I do prefer something. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.680 I will say the Tennis Channel, who interestingly, they just 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.279 got a new CEO, which I shall portend interesting things 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.680 hopefully for the network. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.839 But I think on the whole the app has. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.360 Been a really really great experience, and the app has 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.920 gotten a ton better, and the app has been stable. 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.040 And so you know, we are the first to criticize certainly, yeah, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.680 certainly the first anything the WCA, certainly, you know, the ATP, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.600 A lot of this stuff, you know, the PTPAS sort 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.600 of maybe well intentioned but baffling lawsuits, you know, like 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.600 it's just you know, I think, if if anything, you 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:23.520 can kind of just to be honest. 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:24.800 And so for me, I do have to say. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.200 The Tennis Yonal app itself has gotten a ton better. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.480 But you're right, I watch it on the world feet 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.040 and I just don't want to bring that up because 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:35.280 so much of what makes watching tennis interesting is not 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.360 just the point play, it's the context. Are screaming at 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.640 their box or they did they smash eighteen rackets on 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.200 the changeover? Did they have a lengthy monologue? Did they 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.200 have a dialogue like Bubliic did with Muhammed. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.240 That was just hilarious it was hilarious. It was public 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.000 who this year was this year? When he's like, hey, 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.960 Mohammed Remo used to get to the cortus. It was 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:53.960 so easy. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.160 You're like, the men's tennis depth is great, what a 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:57.600 great insightful you know. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.840 Muhammedlanda is just like all right, but sure. 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.360 Whatever, But like, there's so much interesting stuff that tells 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.600 you about the players, their mindset, maybe what's happening the 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:05.320 dynamic in the match. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:06.559 It's better to watch it on the app. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.240 And not only is a better watch on the app, 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.000 but I think if you are a network broadcaster taking 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.960 a minute to do what you just said, which is like, hey, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:14.600 have this teed up for when we go back from 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.280 a commercial, because I want to talk about a little 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.120 bit more because there's something interesting to unpack here. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.000 Yeah, well listen. I mean that's one of the things 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.560 that I I really try and do when I commentate, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.440 and in general, I'm very perceptive of what's happening on 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.600 the court because little things like that do tell a 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.120 story that you don't now imagine if you came back 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.960 and just started playing the match again and showed none 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.280 of that of what Jack Draper did on the Chaine. 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:36.600 Out and then if Jack Draper loses eight points in 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.120 a row by netting it in the bottom, you're. 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.439 Like what, well, yeah, you're like, wow, how did that happen? 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.680 You're like, well, let me show you. So I think 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.000 that's also another thing about being court sided, Like as 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.040 a court side commentator, I'm very aware that's the things 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.640 that I'm told as a court side commentator is al, wait, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.080 we can't necessarily see things all the time in the booth. 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.200 But that's also another thing about being on site, right, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.680 is that you you know, often when you're calling a match, 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.160 you can see the player from the booth and you 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.400 can see things happening if you're caught side, But if 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.920 you're in a booth stuck in Santa Monica, which Tennis 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.440 Channel are most of the time you're in a booth, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.400 you're not seeing that. So you don't even know that. Yeah, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:16.960 So it would have been interesting to see if they 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.440 even picked up on that on Tennis Channel in general. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:20.960 Yeah, as a post the World Feet, I was gonna 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.040 say one of my favorite Renee subs is is the 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.760 court side renee stubs. I mean, I know they like 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.040 to use you in the booth and at the desk 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.520 a lot because you're so good at it, but like 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.400 the court side renee stubs. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:30.760 Is the is for me the most fun because you're 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.960 always like leaning close to the microphone and like it 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.320 gets the like I'm always feeling lean too close. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.000 No, but I feel like I'm getting some kind of 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.240 like insider information because you're like, well, here I am 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.240 down to and I just heard this screaming from the box. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.720 You know, Like it really adds to the experience as 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.520 a spectator, which is like, oh, I'm here with somebody 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:47.600 and it's almost like I'm there. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:47.880 Yeah. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.400 I think the one thing I wasn't planning on talking 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.520 about this but I was really excited to see it 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:57.120 is during the Lorenzo Mussetti Jack Draper semifinal, which Lorenzo 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.000 Mussetti man because we'll just talk about his amazing album. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.240 Can we just talk about that? Could be the you know, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:07.439 likelihood of the best looking match on what's a lot 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.960 of good listen coming from you and me? True, Like 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.480 there's a lot of good looking man out there. I mean, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:19.640 arguably you've got Rude who's a very good looking guy, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.840 him back oat Mill Stallion and you know Jack Drap Baumasetti. 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.160 I mean good looking fellas it's to say. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.679 Lorenzo Messeeti, especially because he was wearing that EPC ESX kid. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.920 Much controversial feedback has that kid received, But for me 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:33.920 is any plus? 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:35.040 You like him with the shorter hair. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:36.600 I like him with the shorter hair, and I like 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.560 him with the shorter shorts. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.920 Oh see, the whole thing was you know how I 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.600 felt about the shorter shorts. Yes, I've been asking for 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.800 the shorter shorts forever and a day because I want 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.559 to see the guy's cords. Because I want people to 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.040 understand how strong they are in the legs because their 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.600 upper body. Most tennis players will not be strong with 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.400 the bodies he rexes up. Yeah, because you have to 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.920 have flexibility and all the things. But you don't want 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.640 to be too heavy up top because you're running a lot. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.319 But but going back to the. 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.000 Match, wait wa wait, But the reason I brought up 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.040 to Lorenzo Messeeti jack daper match was not to talk 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.920 about their legs or how good looking they were. It 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.280 is that Tennis TV, which is a subsidiary of ATP channel, 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.680 had for a minute and was sharing on their social 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.760 media a camera angle that went not only behind Jack 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.160 Draper or learn Zubi SETI court side so you could 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.760 see the ball, but it also tracked sideways to watch 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.320 the point as it unfolded. The speed, the spin, the movement, 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:28.680 the dynamics. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:29.480 Like it was great. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.480 And I think tools like that, whether you want to 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.760 show a whole match like that or not, help explain 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.080 to people who are not able to appreciate it from 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.200 a tennis a bird's eye tennis camera angle where it 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.800 just looks like pingpong, how hard it is and how 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.640 fast the ball is traveling and how much court they 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:44.839 have to cover and in what way. So I just 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.480 want to shout that out because it was so good. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.760 I want I've been complaining about it for years and 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:49.920 I want to see more of it, and I'm glad 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:50.199 I did. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:54.320 Here's my one comment on you know, we bitched about 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.520 the light that you couldn't see the court at Materia 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.720 and shadows or bad it is, you know, YadA YadA 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.920 for television. Maybe that's why they've moved the camera angle 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.160 down lower. I don't know, but here's one of the 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.800 things that I want the Madrid Tournament to understand or 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:12.120 whoever's running the television. You know production there. You cannot 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.080 have the back lighting of the because they have the 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.400 led that goes around like the Australian Open introduced to 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:23.200 the world many years ago. You cannot have the glare 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.040 and the color of that be a fucking lime or 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.560 whatever that color was. It was like it was like 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:30.439 a seafoam. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.640 It's it was like seafoam's color. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.760 But it's so distracting. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.360 I couldn't even see the fucking tennis ball. Like I 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.880 if I can't see the tennis ball, God, good luck 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.040 any layman, amateur tennis player out there trying to watch 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.880 this tennis match. All of a sudden, I'm like, where's 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:51.840 the ball? Oh there it is? Oh where's the Oh 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.040 there it is. I'm like, what the fuck? You can't 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:58.640 have seafoam or teal as a background on television. Just 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.120 do me a favor, everyone out there. Just go back, 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.520 get on your tennis channel, app go on your television 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.280 and go to a replay of the Rude Draper match. 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.920 And every time they showed that lower camera angle, I 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.000 couldn't see the fucking tennis ball. It's like, what is happening? 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.240 So whenever it got into the background area of that 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.719 LED screen. The ball just disappeared. You couldn't see it. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:21.800 What are they thinking? 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.000 It doesn't look at that LED screens somewhere else? 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.520 No, the LED screen's fine. We got to make it 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.839 back during the point. What the fuck? 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:31.840 Yeah, making it move during the point. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.120 It seems it's not moving. It's just it's just teal. Yeah, 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.199 you can't see the tennis ball anyway, that's that. I 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:40.240 didn't think I was going to get on. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:41.920 This was a podcast episode, if we don't call that 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.960 something random and specificate and reading. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:50.280 About cephone bloody phone anyway, But back to the match 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.439 when I could see the fucking tennis ball. There was 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.439 a moment in the second set and Casper was up 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.920 a set. Clearly Jack was struggling. Maybe he even made 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.280 the gesture on that changeover after the first set. He 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.920 was like huffing and puffing, like he was struggling to breathe. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.800 And as we know, it is slightly altitude at Madrid, 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:09.400 and it is hard. It is a little bit harder 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.960 to breathe and all the things. And it's a one 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.800 knock on him that some people have talked about his 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:18.880 fitness level, which has improved dramatically. Even Jim Corea Andy 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.400 Roddick had spoken about it as well. They both talked 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.840 about how much he's improved his fitness level and it's 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.800 a knock. That was the one big knock on him. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.760 But it was four to three. I believe it was 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.320 four to three in the second set. Casper was serving 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.560 and he got down fifteen thirty in the game. And 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.000 Casper's biggest strength is looking for the forehand and going 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.320 for the forehand, much like Jack in a lot of ways, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.960 but Casper really depends on that big forehand. Plays very 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.400 similar to Rougher in a lot of ways. He pussed 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.400 out so bad in that fifteen thirty point fifteen thirty 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.960 had a forehand mid court, could have really ripped it, 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.840 like roped it somewhere inside out or inside in whatever. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:05.360 He hit the worst week fourhand two Jack's forehand and 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.640 Jack just went It was almost like it's like, oh, okay, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.520 you're welcome, and he just went smack and hit a winner, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.080 and I was like, oh my god, now I know 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.800 it hit me at that moment, I was like, now 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.320 I know why you have one of Masters one thousand 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.840 or a Grand Slam, because a rafa or a Novak 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.480 or a Roger or a Serena or a great player 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.800 that just steps up into those big moments. Down fifteen 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.280 thirty a set and four to three, you know, he's 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.640 up a set, down three to four, but it's on serve. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.800 He just completely puts it out on that shot, and 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.080 I thought, oh my god. And then he lost the game. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.400 He played a really weak couple of points and then 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.920 all of a sudden, Jack just stepped up wins the 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.840 second set, and I'm like, oh God, if you can't 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.160 step up, And I give him a ton of credit 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.320 because in the third set, there are some moments, whether 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.480 it be you know, early in the game when his serve, 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.040 particularly on his own serve, he every time he had 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.440 a forehand, he went for it. And I was like, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.480 good for you, dude, good for you, because you're not 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.080 going to win this match unless you go for it. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.120 Because Jack's one in one thousand. He knows how to 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.520 do it. He's not afraid. He might be a little 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.240 bit tired, but you got to step up because if 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.560 you don't, Jack's going to do that, and especially in 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.880 his serve. And I was like, that's what made me 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.520 happiest about Casper and I thought, oh my god, that 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:20.160 is a major major shift for him is to go 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.360 for it to win the match. And that's what he did. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.040 He won the match. He played great to break and 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.040 that was it. And as you've already talked about Caitlyn, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.600 he's talked, you know, openly about seeing a psychologist and 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.680 doing the thing. And I think Madison Keys is going 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.480 to make a lot of big difference in a lot 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.880 of players to talk about it and to be honest 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.520 about why is it that I can't get through these 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.840 big moments and maybe I need to talk to someone 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:44.560 and maybe that's the catalyst for him. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.320 Yeah, I think you're rightly. I think it's a lack 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:47.800 of fear. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.640 And I think that I know you always have fear, well, no, 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.120 but courage maybe courage in. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:53.720 The feace of fear. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:54.720 Yeah, it's be brave. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.280 I think when you are playing from a police of 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:59.560 fear as opposed to playing. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.240 From a police of ravery, you're well, okay. Remember Pittko 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.480 always said that she thought Rafa played from a place 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.159 of fear. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:07.959 And fear and anxiety and got through it. I mean, 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.680