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Speaker 1: Episode seventy eight of Fish Unfiltered. I'm Kevin Brawl, your

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Speaker 1: host here with my friend and coast as a kazoo.

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Speaker 1: We have Eli Sussman, founder of Fish. On first trade

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Speaker 1: deadline is gone, and all of a sudden, we're looking

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Speaker 1: that were dealt. And to many that would be a surprise,

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Speaker 1: especially with rumors dating back just bring training, assuming Sandy

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Speaker 1: the year. Everyone thought I Work Bear would be gone.

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Speaker 1: Damn even Kala quantremany thought would be gone. But they're

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Speaker 1: all here and they're still pitching, and they've all pitched

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Speaker 1: ever since the trade deadline. So Isaac went six o'clock

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Speaker 1: struck and you saw that this was essentially the same team.

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Speaker 1: The only trade that Marlins made with Jesu Sanchez that day,

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Speaker 1: at least Hazeu Sanchez to the Houston Astros in exchange

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Speaker 1: for one picture two prospects. Was what was your initial reaction.

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Speaker 2: I didn't understand it.

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Speaker 3: I was a little bit concerned going into the deadline,

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Speaker 3: about like maybe two weeks before.

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Speaker 2: They kept winning ballgames, right, we were all.

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Speaker 3: Covering this team and they were being extremely competitive, and

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Speaker 3: we kept asking ourselves, Hey, is this going to affect

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Speaker 3: their strategy going into the July thirty first trade deadline?

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Speaker 3: And Peter Bendix acknowledged it straight up, which something that

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Speaker 3: he doesn't do very often. He answered a question, he said, yes,

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Speaker 3: it did have a play a factor in what we did.

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Speaker 3: I also believe from what I understand, that teams were

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Speaker 3: not willing to give up. Teams did not value those

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Speaker 3: the Marlins did. They did not want to sacrify Sandy

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Speaker 3: is and they were not convinced that these last three

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Speaker 2: So Miami said, you know what.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna We're gonna stick to where we are right

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Speaker 3: now and go forward with this team that is playing

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Speaker 3: extremely good baseball. They just swept the Yankees coming after

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Speaker 3: unquote Uncobrera, they were gonna get a hell of a

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Speaker 3: haul and they didn't. They're gonna have one of the

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Speaker 3: best rotations in baseball going going out there every fifth

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Speaker 3: be exciting time. Definitely good for business the fact that

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Speaker 3: they did stand pat and they're gonna see how this

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Speaker 3: next two months play out.

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Speaker 1: Eli, if no bold predictions hit yours, will you know

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Speaker 1: any Contra was not traded? You called this since the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that was Obviously we saw what

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Speaker 1: he did in this last start. That one was not good.

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Speaker 1: It was really bad against the Astros. First one out

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Speaker 1: of the for him. Post trade deadline stuff was you know,

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Speaker 1: it's still just lack of swing and miss, but it

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Speaker 1: seemed like kind of the trend all season. It's one

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Speaker 1: the rest of the way through and he completed seven

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's something that I touched on leading up to

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Speaker 4: seen a guy that over the course of the season,

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Speaker 4: his control has been greatly improved, and that's important. That

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Speaker 4: maybe he needs a fansom il Still, this is getting embarrassing,

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Speaker 4: this is hard to watch. A lot of that was

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Speaker 4: of their very best prospects for him, when as you

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Speaker 4: you perfectly noted, the swing and miss still is at

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Speaker 4: there's still a there's still like a gray area where

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Speaker 4: picture how high a ceiling a pitcher can reach if

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Speaker 5: So Yeah, in his case, I just felt he wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Really in a spot where other teams would value him

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Speaker 4: The reason why deadline deals get made above all us

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Speaker 4: both Cabrera's case and I think even more so in Sandy,

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Speaker 4: there's a question in terms of how dominant they can

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Speaker 4: Those are conversations that could be revisited in the off season,

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Speaker 4: and I think in both cases it would not surprise

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Speaker 4: me the Marlins make one of those trades in the

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Speaker 4: off season, but there was They're mixed. There's just a

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Speaker 4: to weren't able to reach a deal. The risk, of course,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of cardits with the Marlins for kind

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Speaker 1: You know, they didn't lower it never, you know, no

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Speaker 1: matter what happened. That's a big reason why we saw

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Speaker 1: a lot of tier two, tier three pictures traded at

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Speaker 1: And now they have a second half to kind of

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Speaker 1: did seem like there was some dialogue between two teams.

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Speaker 1: You noted this in your article when Peter Bennex spoke

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Speaker 1: What was not offered to Miami in that trade?

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Speaker 3: Really quick on what you said earlier, Kevin, you look

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Speaker 2: So it was an interesting seller's market.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't seller's market, but a lot of guys that

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Speaker 3: regarding Cabrera, yes, the Marlins received heavy interest on their

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Speaker 3: very ultra talented right hander. The Cubs were the most

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Speaker 3: prominent team that were discussing. The Cubs needed to starting

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Speaker 2: Death, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: But they did not add that true rotation staple that

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Speaker 3: Were willing to part with Kate owen Casey to their

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Speaker 3: You're pretty much going all in here and you're trying

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Speaker 2: It was a lot less unfortunately for the raining, not the.

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Speaker 1: Raining the former site on Moor And again like rightfully so,

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Speaker 1: like you clearly want the best package possible, but when

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Speaker 1: And even then, like when there were signs of improvements,

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Speaker 1: with Sandy. We already spoke about it, but yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Especially you know he's got three years of control after

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Speaker 5: I believe it was.

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Speaker 3: And he has just so many years of inconsistency and

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Speaker 3: and the way he can't pitch, and the years of control.

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Speaker 3: I don't blame Miami for expecting genormous halls. Unfortunately just

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Speaker 3: Marlins held out firm price for both of those pitchers.

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Speaker 3: They didn't really they're not really enamored with Spencer Jones.

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Speaker 3: maybe they'll settle in the offseason, but the Yankee stuff

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Speaker 1: Well, even then, you have, like, even if Sandy doesn't

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Speaker 1: be a pretty good team. You know, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: But right now, yeah, you couldn't sell on the player,

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Speaker 4: But perhaps I would make an educated guess that other

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Speaker 1: We have a position player side. The only player moved

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Speaker 3: I think Nick Fortell's added a lot of value. That's

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Speaker 3: But Nick Fortes behind the dish is so much more

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Speaker 4: That's been the tricky part when we've talked about Quantrill

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Speaker 5: An amazing year. He's basically having the same year he had.

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Speaker 1: Lasting on the trade front, Isaac Daan Myers was almost

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Speaker 1: moved to I believe it was the Reds talk to

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Speaker 1: us about that guy who'd been struggling for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But regardless of that, twenty nine years old, teams are interested,

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Speaker 1: could be a solid outfielder in a fourth outfielder playoff

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Speaker 1: three spots. I want to say his future is a

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Speaker 1: little bleak here in Miami right now because he still

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Speaker 1: provides the you on the defensive front and he has

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Speaker 1: the power, but man, he has been really mad recently.

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Speaker 1: And it's tough to see because he he's a great guy,

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Speaker 1: but he's been struggling. There's another way to put it.

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Speaker 1: Struck out three times against the Astros in the first game.

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Speaker 1: Came in the pinch hit for it was Marcie actually,

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Speaker 1: and he struck out too. So he's been seems like

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Speaker 1: he's been a little bit too aggressive recently at the plate.

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Speaker 1: But he was almost moved at the deadline.

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Speaker 3: Teams were interested. The deadline was a month prior. I

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Speaker 3: think you see him get moved. I spoke with him

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Speaker 3: on August, first day after the deadline, first game of

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Speaker 3: the Yankees series, and he was ecstatic to still be here.

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Speaker 3: He realizes the opportunity here and yeah, apparently from what

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Speaker 3: I understood the Marlsay conversations.

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Speaker 2: With the Reds as well as brief ones but not really.

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Speaker 3: Lengthened ones with the New York Mets as well, you

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Speaker 3: can see the fit for both those teams. Fortunately, I

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Speaker 3: think I think Daniel there's a lot of value both

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Speaker 3: inside the clubhouse and on the field to this team.

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Speaker 3: So nothing really the game of those talks. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: Dan Meyers has struggled Kevin so shankas he got off

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Speaker 3: to such a great start when he started playing every

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Speaker 3: single day, especially in that month of June saying really well,

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Speaker 3: but just the back end of July and early into August,

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Speaker 3: it's been a little bit of a slump, especially slugging

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Speaker 3: percentage wise.

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Speaker 2: The power hasn't really shown up all of it.

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Speaker 3: We know what he's capable of, but I think he

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Speaker 3: I think Marlins aren't too concerned with him, especially defensively.

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Speaker 2: You know what he's capable to.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about this Yankees series. They

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Speaker 1: sweep the Yankees for the first time in franchise history.

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Speaker 1: First game was probably the most thrilling game of the

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Speaker 1: season by far. I don't think there's anything that really

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Speaker 1: comes close to that, maybe the Kyle Stowars Grand Slam,

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Speaker 1: but outside of that, I mean Stowars hit a Grand

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Speaker 1: Slam in that game too, so it just goes to

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Speaker 1: show that. And then the next two games, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Warrens shoot out the Yankees in game two, Yuri

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Speaker 1: was awesome, and game three there was another. It was

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Speaker 1: like an honestly, it was an beating, like the Yankees

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Speaker 1: have looked terrible since the deadline. And the funniest part

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Speaker 1: about this whole thing, well, first of all, yes, tendance

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Speaker 1: was awesome, over one hundred k between all three games.

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Speaker 1: We have to get confirmation, but apparently the last two

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Speaker 1: games were sellouts. I guess they may have done a

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Speaker 1: change to how many seats there are at the ballpark

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Speaker 1: because there was a thirty seven originally. Now I guess

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Speaker 1: thirty four is a sellout. Who knows, but Isaac, you

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Speaker 1: were there for that first game. That was an awesome game,

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Speaker 1: like regardless if you were there or not, Like the

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Speaker 1: fact that this team was losing at one point six

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Speaker 1: to zero and they came back and then they were

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Speaker 1: down again and they came back and it was gusts

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Speaker 1: on like the softest hit ball of his career, probably

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Speaker 1: walks it off, and and the Yankees new bullpen toys

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Speaker 1: all gave up a run. They all blew it literally

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Speaker 1: and Jose Cabiro, who was the position player acquired on

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Speaker 1: deadline day, had a fielding error and right and left

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and no right, yeah, right, right, and let

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Speaker 1: the ball go not allowed actually get to get to third.

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Speaker 1: So really bad time for Yankees fans. And the Marlins

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Speaker 1: may have broken the Yankees. Jake Burtas since then been

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Speaker 1: optioned to Triple A and a lot of struggles for

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Speaker 1: for Yankee Land recently, and things are going pretty bad

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Speaker 1: for them.

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Speaker 3: In the history of that ballpark. We discussed this on

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Speaker 3: the live stream on Monday. It is the craziest back

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Speaker 3: and forth contest I have ever witnessed. You mentioned the

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Speaker 3: new toys fresh off the deadline are really aggressive deadline

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Speaker 3: by the New York Yankees. Nine earned runs in two

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Speaker 3: and a third inning by those three reladers that you mentioned, Kevin, just.

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Speaker 2: Something that I've never witnessed before.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the lead changes six to nothing Yankees, then

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Speaker 3: when it became nine to four Yankees, and I don't

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Speaker 3: think anyone on the planet expected Miami to come back

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Speaker 3: to be able to come back from that, and then

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Speaker 3: once again in the ninth and he Miami blew it,

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Speaker 3: allowing to earned runs and being down going to the

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Speaker 3: bottom half, down by two. Once again come back with

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Speaker 3: a couple of hits, that crucial error by Jose Cabaliro,

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Speaker 3: and right just like it happened to you rose his

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Speaker 3: head a little with too fast and the Balkans under

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Speaker 3: the glove rolls of the warning track.

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Speaker 2: And pretty much sealed the deal for the Marlins.

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned the Augustin Ramre swinging bunt, a great

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Speaker 3: base running by Edwards. You did not hesitate whatsoever, scored

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Speaker 3: on the all that maybe went five feet from the

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Speaker 3: home plate, And like I said that, I think that

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Speaker 3: catapuled with the Marlins for the rest of the series.

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Speaker 3: And it was the craziest game I've ever seen with

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Speaker 3: my two eyes. But the Yankees have not won since

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Speaker 3: before the trade deadline.

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Speaker 2: They are zero to.

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Speaker 3: Five to begin the second half of Sorry, Eli, Sorry Doug.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna tough go for the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Eli, I mean your thoughts on this series.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of a sudden, the Marlins find themselves

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Speaker 1: now not two games under five hundreds, but they did

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Speaker 1: finish the series fifty five and fifty five. I believe

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Speaker 1: there are sixteen games under five hundred at one point.

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Speaker 1: Marlins are I mean, unless they really suck the rest

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Speaker 1: of the way through, they're going to surpass their sixty

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Speaker 1: two win total from last season. Yes, okay, right, you

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Speaker 1: would hope, so you would hope.

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Speaker 4: So they definitely have to be a historically bad the

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Speaker 4: rest of the way to not surpriss. It's just a

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Speaker 4: question of how much. And yeah, just to echo, I

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Speaker 4: feel like this was the highest point of the season.

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Speaker 4: That could be wrong, but I feel like this was

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Speaker 4: the peak of the year to upset a team like this,

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Speaker 4: the one that frankly hadn't been playing all that well

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Speaker 4: for a period of time. Coming into the series. The

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Speaker 4: Marlins had been out playing the Yankees over the last

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Speaker 4: two months setting into this matchup. It wasn't a shock

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Speaker 4: that the Marlins won the series, but to do it,

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Speaker 4: for it to be a sweep, and in this particular fashion,

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Speaker 4: as you guys emphasized on Friday, three separate occasions where

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Speaker 4: it felt like that game was over in favor of

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Speaker 4: the Yankees and for them to come back with some

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Speaker 4: help of some Yankees and competence, and it really more

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Speaker 4: so just highlights how fundamentally sound the Marlins have been

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Speaker 4: for most of this good stretch of the season. It's

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Speaker 4: really it sticks out when they don't play a clean game,

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Speaker 4: as they have on a couple occasions.

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Speaker 5: There is that lost to the Cardinals and.

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Speaker 4: Their series opener, and you could say the one to

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Speaker 4: the Astros most recently this week. Those are total anomalies.

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Speaker 4: Vast majority of games they give themselves a chance in

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Speaker 4: terms of just making a lot of routine plays, having

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Speaker 4: smart positioning, taking advantage of just making fewer mistakes than

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Speaker 4: the other team does. That's something you just don't expect

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Speaker 4: from the youngest team in the league. Those are the

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Speaker 4: mistakes that a young team is supposed to be more

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Speaker 4: prone to making than other ones. A team that has

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Speaker 4: a very inexperienced coaching staff with quote unquote rookies had

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Speaker 4: a lot of different spots on that coaching staff. So

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Speaker 4: that has been probably the biggest change overall from what

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Speaker 4: I anticipate coming into the year, is just how this

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Speaker 4: team does all the little things right, generally speaking, in

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Speaker 4: order to give themselves a chance to stay in these games.

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Speaker 5: It's been really impressive.

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Speaker 4: That's what the fan base is kind of rallied behind

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Speaker 4: is that if they watched this team day in and

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Speaker 4: day out, and you just see them generally keep things

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Speaker 4: close and be look like a really complete team at

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Speaker 4: times in a way that I think that I understand

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Speaker 4: why people were relieved that they held on to as

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Speaker 4: many players as they did just to give themselves a

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Speaker 4: fighting chance, because they have really down their groove in

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Speaker 4: a way that I thought would probably take more than

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Speaker 4: one year in order to do so, to do it,

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Speaker 4: not even halfway through this season, to really find that

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Speaker 4: groove instead of taking it being a more traditional rebuilding process,

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Speaker 4: that understandably has a lot of people extremely excited and

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Speaker 4: and hopeful for how soon this rebuild can turn the corner.

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Speaker 5: It hasn't already.

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Speaker 1: Guys, have your Sonoha hit two home runs and that

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Speaker 1: game on Friday too. I don't know if he was

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Speaker 1: drugged usted after, but then he also hit one on

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Speaker 1: He hit one on Monday, Monday, so he has four

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Speaker 1: home runs on the season. Like who would have thought

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Speaker 1: have your Sonoha? Derek Will also came back, he hit

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Speaker 1: a home run. They did something with the pinch hits.

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Speaker 1: It was two pinch hit home runs on that Monday game,

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Speaker 1: first time since six yep, So, Isaac, your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Jacob Marcy, We got Eli's want to get yours. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the guy continues to be awesome, Like play appearance, those

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Speaker 1: plate appearances on We're extremely extremely impressive against some really

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Speaker 1: good arms too. I mean, Duval you had rode on

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Speaker 1: and there was another one, but like really good play

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Speaker 1: appearances from Marcy.

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Speaker 3: The way I'm hearing his name pronounced, it's Marc a

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Speaker 3: little emphasis on the c part on the see us ee,

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Speaker 3: but I guess, and yeah, Mark is good of a

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Speaker 3: start to a major league career as you can hope

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Speaker 3: for what is it four extra base hits. He has

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Speaker 3: six for twelve with five extra base hits, three doubles,

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Speaker 3: a triple home run. He's got as many walks as

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Speaker 3: he has strikeouts. He's playing a great center field. He

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Speaker 3: was acquired obviously on May fourth of last year, and

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Speaker 3: the Louise A Rise trade, along with Dylan ped Nathan

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Speaker 3: Mardarella and Wu suck Go has since been released. And

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Speaker 3: just what I want to touch on with Marcy is

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Speaker 3: his really weird twenty twenty four year where he just

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Speaker 3: couldnt hit the baseball whatsoever. What was his final slash

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Speaker 3: line across two leagues in Double A and Triple A,

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Speaker 3: he had a three fifteen slugging He had an ops

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Speaker 3: of six sixty one. They Marvels pretty much bought low

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Speaker 3: on this player, but there's obviously something they liked. And

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Speaker 3: he has since come over to the Martins organization and

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Speaker 3: has hit the ground running Triple A Jacksonville this year.

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Speaker 3: Anate seventeen year old PS, he has some it seems

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Speaker 3: like he's increased his power.

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Speaker 2: He had a four un to sixty foot.

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Speaker 3: Home run for Jacksonville early a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 3: before he was called up. And to make your major

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Speaker 3: league debut in that's setting against the New York Yankees

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Speaker 3: in front of one hundred and one thousand people over

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Speaker 3: the weekend, and continue playing pretty much every single day

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Speaker 3: against both lefties and righties, he might be he might

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Speaker 3: end up being the best player acquired in that Lewis

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Speaker 3: Rise trade.

653
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So last name I want to mention before we

654
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: begin to wrap up, and we have to like it's

655
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: it's really disappointing the way this guy's been playing and

656
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: that's that's Eric Wagerman. Like, dude, it is yesterday, Kevin, Yeah,

657
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: so did Havierson two days ago. So you know, that

658
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: home run didn't change my thoughts. But like he's really struggled,

659
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: like like seriously, like the guy struggled. It's it's really

660
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: tough to see. Obvious they called up Troy. It seems

661
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: like they're kind of, you know, spending time between those two, Isaac,

662
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: like what do you see with Wagonman? Like mccullo's mentioned like,

663
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's been elevating the ball and clearly he is,

664
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm not gonna deny that, but you know, like

665
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: at what point do you say enough is enough and

666
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: let's call up someone else? Clearly not there's not many

667
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: great options. But I'd much rather see Davis and Dela

668
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: Santos such you know, at the major league level work

669
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: is working out. Then Eric Wagman, which we know what

670
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: he is at this point.

671
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: Right, that was gonna be my question, you guy, And

672
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: I don't mean it like in a kind of setting

673
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: way like who would you who would be the answer?

674
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: Right?

675
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like you look at what.

676
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: Eric Wagman does against left handed pitching, and it's decent.

677
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: It's he's opising seven to twenty five, so you'd think

678
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: it'd be a perfect platoon situation with Troy the amount

679
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: of time you see Limp picks play for his face,

680
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: and you don't really want Augustine behind the plane everyvery

681
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: single day.

682
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 2: You mentioned Delos Santo's he's been already. He has been

683
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: a little bit.

684
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: Better in terms of putting the ball in play, but

685
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: I don't think that is the right time to call

686
00:31:59,520 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: him up.

687
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: Maybe September, I think makes more sense. So for from

688
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: what I see, I think.

689
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: They're going to keep him up here because I don't

690
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: see a better option unless you guys do.

691
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Jacob Barry, No, I mean.

692
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: Seen at times Roberto Hernandez take practice first base. I

693
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 4: I don't I thought that would be a priority because,

694
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: as you said, there really isn't anybody at Triple A

695
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: or even double at the moment that I feel immediately

696
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense. We'll see what Nathan Martarella does.

697
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: Maybe he has a little bit of Marci syndrome where

698
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 4: he has a medio career at Double A and then

699
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: all of a sudden just moving up to a different league.

700
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 4: One that is a little bit more here friendly we

701
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: see better results from him. I wouldn't totally totally be

702
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: out on Martarella, even though his career in the Marlins

703
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: minor league system to this point has been underwhelming. But

704
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: the immediate upgrades I don't really see them in the miners,

705
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 4: whether it's him, whether it's Davison, whether it is is

706
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: Well Matt Murvys just got released, or whether it's Jacob Barry,

707
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 4: who has actually played very little first base even though

708
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 4: he's played basically everywhere else this year. To me, I

709
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: think the pivot, if you were to make one, would

710
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: be Hernandez playing more first base as part of a

711
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: platoon situation now that the outfield is well taken care of.

712
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: Between Marcy and Stowers, those are two guys I could

713
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: play basically every day in left and center and then

714
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: figure out right field between everybody else that I would

715
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: make that shift. I don't person I'm not personally familiar

716
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: with how raw Hernandez's defense is at first base because

717
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: he's so far moved from playing it in any professional games,

718
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: and he's certainly never done it in the big leagues.

719
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: But he's somebody that I think unequivocally is a more

720
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: capable hitter than Wagaman is. So then you make some

721
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: corresponding move and option Wagonman and bring up somebody else

722
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: at a different position.

723
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 5: It's it's still it's.

724
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: A there's really no clear pivot here to somebody else

725
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: unless they're they're willing to do that. And frankly, I

726
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 4: can't say with enough authority that I know that Aroberto

727
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: Ornandez is a competent defender at first base. If he is,

728
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 4: then I would just simply have him and Troy platoon

729
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 4: for the most part at that position.

730
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: I want to wrap up with with the draft picks.

731
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Speaker 1: They all made their debuts on Tuesday.

732
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Speaker 2: Tuesday, Yes, Tuesday, I've.

733
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: A Arquette and Brandon Compton both began in Beloit was

734
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: along with the catcher. I believe it's Wilson Weber from

735
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: Oregon State. Rest of them are all in Jupiter. Cam

736
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: Canerella is the only one that will be at the

737
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: FCL late start trap sign was lost when a sign

738
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: Isaac any surprises here. I really don't maybe a little

739
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: surprised with ourquet, but I think it's the right move.

740
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. It's interesting.

741
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: I think that they if I remember correctly, bladets. You

742
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: just have to go back on previous college rafts. Start

743
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: started all the position players. That is when Jupiter was

744
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: hya correct and.

745
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: Right.

746
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, he started at hi A and he he

747
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: was alright, he was fine. Then he pretty much went

748
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: to double A the next year.

749
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: It was the twenty twenty year so.

750
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: After yeah, right, So I think the way they look

751
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: at is that, hey, Bloyd, the weather's okay right now.

752
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: So I think they want to expect this process a

753
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 3: little bit at least and have him faced some pretty

754
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: solid competition. You mentioned the college career, every single player

755
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: college career, college hitter, so they're able to do it.

756
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't love how much room there is in Jupiter,

757
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: but yeah, not a huge surprise. I think we saw

758
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: that coming. I think if Canerella had signed as quick

759
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: as Iva did, I think you see him and Bloyd

760
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 3: as well.

761
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a really exciting time. You're starting to

762
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: see the fluctuation of the rosters and the minor leagues.

763
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: Happened all over the play some releases, some moves to

764
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: the development lists, et cetera. So it's these last two

765
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: years of the minor league season is always a really

766
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: fun time. To just take a look at the drafts,

767
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: especially when they're college guys up in higher ish levels

768
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: like Beloit. Maybe someone will go to Pensacola. Is he

769
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: just promotions across the league and you know you can

770
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: actually see them on Minor League Baseball TV.

771
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: ELI thoughts on the any debut that stood out to you.

772
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: I think we could go that most of these guys debuted.

773
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: There was a couple of pitchers as well, so our

774
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: kat is well debuted, Frank Compton debuted. Everyone here I

775
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: think debut or at least started most most of these games,

776
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: except maybe a couple. And then thoughts on the releases.

777
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, big one was Vraydenberg was a third round

778
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: pick literally two years ago. He's gone. I know you're

779
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: holding the smile, but it is the third round pick.

780
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: And a couple guys that weren't released, you know, like

781
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Marvis was released. I heard he requested the release, So

782
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: there's that. But ELI just thoughts on the releases, because

783
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: that's always huge. You hate to see it, but it

784
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: does sometimes take you by surprise. A couple of guys,

785
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: and then any debuts that stet.

786
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: Out, Yeah, with the releases, I could show everybody on

787
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 4: the screen, the numbers that they're putting up this season.

788
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 5: It's an interesting.

789
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 4: Mixed bag because Nervous in particular, was playing very well

790
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 4: in Jacksonville since getting sent down, being DFAED clearing waivers

791
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 4: getting sent down nine to twenty four ops, thirteen home

792
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: runs and thirty five games. Mattmrvis is, i think seconds

793
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 4: in the whole, tied for seconds in the Marlins minor

794
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: league system in home runs this year. Only counting his

795
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: minor league home runs, he is seconds among all Marlin's

796
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: minor leaguers in homers this season. Any caveat you want

797
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: to apply to that, it's it's pretty impressive. And the

798
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: strikeout rate was still elevated, but not nearly to the

799
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 4: same extense he was in the big league level. They

800
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 4: just reached a point where, yeah, they were not It's

801
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: an interesting decision considering the struggles of Wagman that they had,

802
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: that they felt there wasn't They didn't feel that Mervis

803
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: would be an upgrade of any sort compared to what

804
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 4: they're already getting from Wagman. And as you seem to do,

805
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: as you're understanding, is that he kind of requested his

806
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 4: release thinking there might be a slightly better opportunity somewhere

807
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: else down the stretch of the season. The rest of

808
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: these guys are ones that simply were not forming much

809
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 4: at all of the season, mostly guys from the upper

810
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: miners like Harrison Spawn, a utility guy. Jake Thompson has

811
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: occasionally been a great hitter in the miners at the

812
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 4: lower levels, but a lot of injuries have come his

813
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 4: way and now finally his production, especially when the slugging

814
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: department came down. The most notable one to bring up

815
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: would be Jones sukshim. I remember when we had Craignish

816
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: on this show right around one year ago saying that

817
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 4: the Marlins were prepared to be to miss out on

818
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 4: that they felt it was a guy that had a

819
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: really high ceiling, but they also understood there was substantial

820
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 4: risk involved given his injury history in the fact that

821
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 4: they basically acquired him fresh coming off of an injury.

822
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 4: We saw it in the Fall League last year and

823
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: more so in the Complex League this year that he

824
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: just cannot throw strikes anymore and the VLO has ticked down.

825
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: His other secondary stuff didn't have the exact same bite

826
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 4: to it that it had when he signed internationally. A

827
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 4: few years ago with the Pirates. So for them to

828
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: that that player stands out because he's the youngest of

829
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 4: this group, the one with the least minor league experience.

830
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: This is a guy that only pitched less than twenty

831
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 4: about twenty endings in the minor leagues in his whole career,

832
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 4: and they think that's enough to move on.

833
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 5: So that just goes to show.

834
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: Exactly the condition that he was in one acquired by

835
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 4: the organization. When it comes to debuts, the one who

836
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: had the most impressive one was Drewe Farow in Jupitery.

837
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: He had three hits in his very first game that

838
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: was only seven inning, Game two, so he made the

839
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: most of that one. And I know that our own

840
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 4: Sean McCormick is pretty high on Paro relative to his

841
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: draft position. He had an article kind of highlighting why

842
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 4: I thinks Farrow could be a nice value for where

843
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: they got him in the fourth round if I remember

844
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: that correctly. Other than that, I should point out with Ava,

845
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: but Iva excuse me that in his very first ending

846
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 4: on defense made two really good plays that have very

847
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: different ones, one kind of charging in on a ball

848
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: on shortstop and making an offount throw and the other

849
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: one backing up on one and having a leap to

850
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: grab the line drive. So for those that have understanding

851
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: is that he is a legit defensive shortstop, even though

852
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 4: size wise it's hard to see. There aren't very many

853
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 4: comfortable to that in the big leagues. He played that

854
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 4: position really well at Oregon State, and in some aspects

855
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: it might be just as safe as a defender as

856
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: he is as a hitter. So he only had one

857
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 4: hit in his debut, but I think he did put

858
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 4: the ball in play every single time he came up,

859
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 4: and the fact that the athleticism does stand out because

860
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: you just don't expect that from somebody who's six foot five.

861
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 5: The way he.

862
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Is is like any other promotions that set out to

863
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: overall around the system. Obviously we saw you and Lewis

864
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: get promoted and LEAs Are just may get promoted. A

865
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: lot of Triple A promotions as well. So there was

866
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: a lot of movement yesterday around the minor league system,

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Speaker 1: a lot of new looking teams.

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Speaker 3: I can't say that one really surprised me. A few

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Speaker 3: of the guys going from Jupiter Beloyd I remember being

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Speaker 3: a little bit excited about, but other than that nothing

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Speaker 3: else that really stood out, all.

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Speaker 1: Righty, then I think we'll wrap it up here. Forty

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Speaker 1: minutes in, I think spoke more than enough, so well

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Speaker 1: up here from Isaac Eli myself. We'll be back in

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Speaker 1: two weeks, hopefully with a guest. Peace out and go fish.