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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 2: As you all know, I am blessed to be a

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Speaker 2: part of the Clay and Buck network here on iHeart

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Speaker 2: and I am so excited because today I have Buck

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Speaker 2: Sexton with me. He is the host of the radio

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Speaker 2: show we all know and love, Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: Buck Welcome Tutor, first time in Tutors world. This is exciting.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having I know, I'm like, how is this possible?

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Speaker 2: But it is true, and I think it's perfect timing

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Speaker 2: because of everything that is going on right now in.

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Speaker 1: The actual world.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really talked on the podcast about the Trump verdict.

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Speaker 2: We haven't gone through that, and so I figured i'd

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Speaker 2: save that for you because there's so much confusion about it.

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Speaker 2: I keep obviously I'm on X a lot, and so

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Speaker 2: every time I say something, it's like, you, guys a

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Speaker 2: convicted felon, talk to me a little bit about what

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Speaker 2: you think people don't know about what really happened in

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Speaker 2: that courtroom.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's impossible to defend what they did in Trump

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Speaker 3: just as a functional process. So I think to start with,

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Speaker 3: as a legal matter, it's a travesty, and anybody who

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Speaker 3: tries to argue otherwise does so out of ignorance or

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Speaker 3: bad faith, meaning they either just don't understand how a

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Speaker 3: judicial process is supposed to work in this country, or

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Speaker 3: and I think this is more of what you see

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Speaker 3: on TV, although it's mixed. They just will say anything

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Speaker 3: because it's anti Trump, and so they'll excuse anything. I mean,

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Speaker 3: a few things that come to mind, even before we

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Speaker 3: get to the verdict. Why was so we obviously we

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Speaker 3: know it's a guilty verdict, but why was this held

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Speaker 3: until the election year? This case could have been brought

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, and in fact, if it was

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Speaker 3: in any way important, if it was really thirty four felonies,

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Speaker 3: what's the justification for holding it? So it was held

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Speaker 3: for clearly political reasons. There's no no person has even

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Speaker 3: tried to bring forward another explanation for it. There wasn't

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Speaker 3: some huge investigation they had to do or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: So they held it until the election. You're purely political decision,

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Speaker 3: an absolute failure of ethics by the prosecutor Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 3: and his office. It was not even really a crime

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Speaker 3: that you can describe as a crime. There's no there's

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Speaker 3: no victim, there's no even damage done to the state.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can break down legal verdicts into or

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Speaker 3: you can break down laws rather into malim say and

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Speaker 3: malim prohibitum. I think it was a really important concept.

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Speaker 2: These are things that regular people don't know, and I

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Speaker 2: think that's why when you brought up ignorance. That's the

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Speaker 2: big problem here is because voters don't understand this. And

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Speaker 2: it's not because they're not trying to. It's because it's

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Speaker 2: above what we not above our heads. It's just something

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Speaker 2: that we haven't studied. And so when people say, oh,

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Speaker 2: my gosh, he did this to mess with the election,

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Speaker 2: they don't really research further than that. They already feel

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable with the two choices and they're going to go, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is bad. And I think that's a huge problem.

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Speaker 2: But I interrupted you so tell us what those things mean.

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Speaker 3: I just think there are very important concepts in general

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Speaker 3: when we're talking about the law. So Malman say, just

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Speaker 3: think of as like bad in a biblical sense, almost right,

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Speaker 3: like like don't kill you know, don't kill somebody, don't

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Speaker 3: steal from your neighbor, don't don't do the bad things.

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Speaker 3: Maluman say is something that is bad and wrong whether

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Speaker 3: or not right. So those things you could say it's

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Speaker 3: a functional natural law, but basic ethics everyone can understand

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Speaker 3: it's a bad thing. And there are a lot of

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Speaker 3: maluman say, where we're very clearly talking about immoral conduct. Okay,

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Speaker 3: malin prohibitum is it's bad because the government says it's bad.

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Speaker 3: And that's where you get into things. You go, hold

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Speaker 3: how many people know this. It is illegal, even if

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Speaker 3: you're not doing it for an illegal purpose to put

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Speaker 3: they've created this law and I would, by the disagree

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Speaker 3: be a malim prohibitive. Right, There's a million of these things,

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Speaker 3: the state prohibits this, and it's also clear that this

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Speaker 3: again at the most fundamental level, to bring a prosecution

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Speaker 3: they're stretching the legal framework to its absolute breaking point.

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Speaker 3: So that's another area where I think, and the simplified

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Speaker 3: version of that whole malum and say alan prohibitum. By

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Speaker 3: malam prohibitum is today. But the simple way to describe

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Speaker 3: this is what's the bad thing that Trump did? And

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Speaker 3: if you go into a if a prosecutor brings you

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Speaker 3: trying to destroy your reputation take your freedom away, that

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Speaker 2: This is well, and there's no check on the media

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Speaker 2: because the media has come out and said, well, this

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Speaker 2: was him interferre with an election. He violated campaign finance law.

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Speaker 2: But that's not what this is about. And people don't

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Speaker 2: state court. The federal court said we're not interested in

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Speaker 3: Well, and again, we can pull this apart very easily

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Speaker 3: if what they first of all, the federal authorities, federal

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Speaker 3: The Feds, you would think would be the one bringing

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Speaker 3: with the with the the payment, it's a business records.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, the payment is not the problem.

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Speaker 3: he paid off a porn star. That's totally legal, there's

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Speaker 3: no problem with that. It's an NDA, it's very straightforward.

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Speaker 3: The problem is the recording in his own business records

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Speaker 3: the statute of limitations. They hung it all on an

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Speaker 3: so absurd is that the payment was made after the

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen election. So the claim that they are making

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Speaker 3: criminal again, it's not criminal, the criminal action of mislabeling

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Speaker 3: given to some government authority. This wasn't given to like,

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Speaker 3: of the Trump organization. They were going to then mislabel it,

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Speaker 3: the election. I mean, this is if people are confused

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Speaker 3: It is intentionally confusing because it is intentionally bull crap.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is complete garbage. You know, I could

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Speaker 3: mar al Lago documents prosecution. I think it's wrong. I

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Speaker 3: think it's political a million things, but I do understand

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Speaker 3: what they're saying. Right, They're saying you denied a lawful

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Speaker 3: subpoena from a court. You can't do that. Okay, we

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Speaker 3: Even if they're wrong, at least that's a real thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think that case is ever going to

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Speaker 3: what they're alleging isn't even a real thing, or rather

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Speaker 3: it's not even real crime. And the real Kudi grass

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump would have been justified in using campaign funds

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Speaker 3: it's a campaign expenditure, obviously you can use campaign funds.

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Speaker 3: And if he did the other thing. The other option

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Speaker 2: In businesses, when something like this is a question and

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Speaker 2: you are dealing with the government in some way, it's

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Speaker 2: generally the person who made that report, the person who

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Speaker 2: actually put that into like you're talking to the accountant.

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Speaker 2: You're not talking to the guy at the top, because

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Speaker 2: the accountant was responsible for that. But they're taking Trump in,

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Speaker 2: they're looking at Trump. I mean, it's all baloney. We

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Speaker 2: know this, But I wanted to get in to what

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Speaker 2: you just said about going after people for campaign finance.

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Speaker 2: I've been talking about this for weeks now. The Trump

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Speaker 2: obviously what we see every single day. You look at Georgia,

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Speaker 2: grandmothers who are being dragged into court over this elector situation.

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Speaker 1: But it's multiple things.

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Speaker 2: And we've got fundraisers in court, We've got the AG

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Speaker 2: going after our police, We've got the age in these

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Speaker 2: states going after anybody who leans right of center in

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Speaker 2: any way possible with serious crimes, and we're talking about

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Speaker 2: jail time for these people, and nobody is really talking

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Speaker 2: this whole case is falling apart. There's holes all over

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Speaker 2: the AG's case. Now the prosecutor's witness is switching to

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Speaker 2: the defense side. I mean, it's completely falling apart. But

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Speaker 2: it's all it is all a political game. And to me,

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Speaker 2: it's incredibly dangerous that we don't have the real media

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Speaker 2: This idea that he's organically popular enough to win and

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Speaker 3: Quite honestly, when everything looks so great. Biden such a clown,

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Speaker 3: You've known him forever. Look at you know, video of

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Speaker 3: an incumbent president. The powers of incumbents, you just look

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Speaker 3: at the data on it, and most incumbent presidents win, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean there's a you know, you're the president. Someone

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Speaker 3: else is trying to take your job as the not president.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a disadvantage they're generally in. I

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Speaker 3: know there are obviously exceptions, well, if he wasn't going

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Speaker 3: against incumbent, you know what I mean, there are exceptions

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Speaker 3: historically about it. And on the Kamala point, I think

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Speaker 3: that people, yeah, I know, I see all the data too,

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Speaker 3: and I hear all the anecdotes, and she seems horrible,

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Speaker 3: but somehow she became senator from California. Somehow she became

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Speaker 3: Vice President of the United States, as deeply unimpressive as

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Speaker 3: she is. In fact, I would say the most impressive

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Speaker 3: thing about Kamala Harris is that she could be so

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Speaker 3: unimpressive and get so far in politics. And somebody else

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Speaker 3: that you could say that for is Joe Biden. I

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Speaker 3: remember I went to when I was still in the CIA.

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Speaker 3: I got invited to some cocktail party and I didn't, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I couldn't make I wasn't making donations or anything.

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Speaker 3: But it was like, oh, come here from some of

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Speaker 3: the the nominees for president. This is two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 3: and it was early on, and it was like Cucinach

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Speaker 3: and Biden and they just were sort of taking questions

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Speaker 3: at this open form at a COCTA. But they were

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Speaker 3: the third string, right, I mean, it wasn't the people,

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Speaker 3: wasn't Obama, it wasn't the people that actually anybody wasn't Hillary,

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Speaker 3: anyone thought had a real shot. It was kind of

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Speaker 3: the you know, the bottom thur of that pres and

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Speaker 3: Biden was one of them, right, And people forget this.

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Speaker 3: Biden was like a three percent guy in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and eight, Biden was a joke, and yet here we are.

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Speaker 3: He became vice president and then guess what, he became

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Speaker 3: president because the machine elevated him. I bring it up

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Speaker 3: because I think you're verys dude. I agree with your

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Speaker 3: sentiment about Kamala Harris. Yeah right now, everyone laughs at

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Speaker 3: her because you know, it doesn't matter if Biden can't

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Speaker 3: make it through. If Biden had a stroke in two months,

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Speaker 3: which he could very well have. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: God forbid, don't wish your health on anybody, but Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris would step in. I mean, all this stuff about

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Speaker 3: some other candidate, it's it's it's honestly, that's just that's nonsense.

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Speaker 3: It's just nonsense. Like I know, it gets clicks and

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Speaker 3: it's exciting people to hear. Oh, you know, you know

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be Oprah or it's gonna No, it's not,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be Harris. And everybody who's been challenging me

475
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Speaker 3: on this for three years now is slowly but surely

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Speaker 3: realizing it's going to be Biden Harris. Guys, it's going

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Speaker 3: to be Biden Harris. That's how politics works, and not

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Speaker 3: going to do some of the things, but the whole machine,

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Speaker 3: like a cruise ship changing its port, you know, the

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Speaker 3: whole machine would switch and be like Kamalo's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly right back in.

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Speaker 3: The Ultimate Glass Eel and Kamo's the first black female president,

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Speaker 3: all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But that is my concern about Trump as a convict,

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Speaker 2: because it is powerful when people just the machine turns

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Speaker 2: on and that's the machine.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: We hear that Alex Soros was like, this is the

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Speaker 2: I want it come to come out of your mouth

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Speaker 2: every time you speak, and we can say, oh, people

491
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Speaker 2: love it. People are all about it. They want to

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Speaker 2: be there for him because he's the underdog now. But

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people take that very seriously,

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Speaker 2: and so I do think that that's a concern.

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Speaker 1: But let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next

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Speaker 1: on the Tutor Dixon podcast. How we're on VP picks.

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Speaker 2: Before I let you go, I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: you because this new report came out that said that

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Speaker 2: vetting paperwork was sent to some top contenders. This is

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Speaker 2: well we heard originally jd Vance, Doug Burgham, and Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like Tim Scott and Ben Carson maybe in the mix.

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Speaker 2: But my the first three that I've heard for sure

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Speaker 2: are Doug Burgham Marco Rubio, and JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance.

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Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts on see, I believe that

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Speaker 2: his VP, just like Kamala Harris didn't matter. His VP

507
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter unless it's someone that they can use as

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Speaker 2: a weapon against him.

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Speaker 1: And that's my only concern.

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Speaker 2: If it's someone that has done something radical, they can

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Speaker 2: flip that on Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that for the purposes of the election,

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Speaker 3: it is Trump and anybody who's his VP is going

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Speaker 3: to be kind of in like tiny script effectively at

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Speaker 3: the bottom of the page. It doesn't really matter. It's

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Speaker 3: not going to help him win the election. And that's

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Speaker 3: why when people say, you know, oh, well Tim Scott

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Speaker 3: and he'll be you know, this is what essential republic

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Speaker 3: and say this, oh, he'll be helpful with the with

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Speaker 3: the black community for example, for Trump, I'm like, no,

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Speaker 3: that's actually not going to I mean, that's that's not

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Speaker 3: what the data would show and it's just not going

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Speaker 3: to happen. Republicans play this game all the time. Well,

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Speaker 3: like we can kind of play identity politics too. No, actually,

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Speaker 3: you know, I like Tim Scott good Man, good Senator.

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Speaker 3: You know, I have nothing but positive things to say

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Speaker 3: about Tim Scott. But is he going to markedly make

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Speaker 3: a difference within the Black community voting in this election? No,

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Speaker 3: I would bet. I mean, I could be wrong, but

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Speaker 3: I bet a large sum up. I bet a large

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Speaker 3: summer money on that too. He will not make a difference.

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Speaker 3: So in terms of VP picks, to me, the most

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Speaker 3: important thing is, look, Trump is amazing. He's a dynamo.

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Speaker 3: The guy's got energy. You know. That's he's the same

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Speaker 3: age as my dad, by the way, too, Like I

536
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Speaker 3: love my dad, but like he has to take naps,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, He's got a little older.

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Speaker 3: Trump is a phenom in that sense. But you need

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Speaker 3: someone who could take over. He is going to be

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Speaker 3: in his eighties during that. You need somebody who God

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Speaker 3: forbid something healthwise happens to Trump in his second term.

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Speaker 3: And so to me, jd. Vance is and I've said

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Speaker 3: this publicly, I think he's the smartest pick. I think

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Speaker 3: he makes the most sense. I think he represents kind

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Speaker 3: of a new era of America. First, if you will politics,

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Speaker 3: I think he's I've said I think he's the best

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Speaker 3: candidate and the likeliest candidate in my mind, Now that's

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Speaker 3: a poort has.

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Speaker 2: What is in his background that you think qualifies him

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Speaker 2: as president?

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Speaker 3: I mean one, I think that he and obviously he's

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Speaker 3: got I mean you were talking about like his resume.

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Speaker 3: The guy wrote a national bestseller kind of about what

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Speaker 3: it's like to be in troubled spots of America, particularly

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Speaker 3: the ross Felt areas, and to deal with the loss

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Speaker 3: and challenges to family and family formation. You know, he'llbili

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Speaker 3: elogy for anybody who hasn't read it. I've read It's

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Speaker 3: very good. Now he's a venture capitalist. He's been incredibly successful.

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Speaker 3: He was a marine, he went to Yale. He did

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Speaker 3: it all by himself. He doesn't have a rich mommy

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Speaker 3: and daddy. He didn't get in because somebody's dad went

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Speaker 3: there or anything else. I think he's been an excellent

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Speaker 3: senator from Ohio. I think he's a high watch guy. Intellectually.

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Speaker 3: I think that he's been on the right side of

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Speaker 3: a whole range I mean, you know, and time to

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Speaker 3: go over all things, but a whole range of important

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Speaker 3: issues and threading a needle where he's right on the

568
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Speaker 3: issue but also not losing political momentum in the process.

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Speaker 3: So you know, he's not unnecessarily lighting himself on fire

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Speaker 3: to make some kind of a point. So yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: that's is that a pretty decent start for why I

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Speaker 3: think he'd be he'd be good. And I don't know

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Speaker 3: him very well by the way. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 3: like I can't say that I personally have some you know,

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Speaker 3: relationship with him, and so there's a fondness for him.

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Speaker 3: I kind of put him in like the ran Paul category.

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Speaker 3: Every time I talk to Ram Paul, I feel like

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Speaker 3: he doesn't really want to talk to me. But I'm like, man,

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Speaker 3: I agree with you on like everything. You know, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't he doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of his personality. Though, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's personal.

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Speaker 3: JD's a little it can be maybe a little gruff,

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Speaker 3: but like, I don't care. I think he's very good

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Speaker 3: on all this stuff. Bergham a little bit of a

586
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Speaker 3: mystery to me, but brings a lot of money to it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I hear kind of a liberal Republican,

588
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Speaker 3: so that doesn't excite me. Stephanic again liberal Republican. I

589
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Speaker 3: don't know if she's going to help much in the

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Speaker 3: way of winning over female votes. I don't think that

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Speaker 3: vice president really can help all that much.

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Speaker 1: So right, I agree, what about a Marco Rubio?

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Speaker 2: With everything that's happening in the Latino community right now,

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Speaker 2: what is your feeling on a Marco Rubio? Because I

595
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: think people will go, oh my gosh, he made so

596
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: much fun of him. But Trump has this way of

597
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Speaker 2: drawing people back in the Marco Rubios, Ted Cruzes maybe

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Speaker 2: not Jet Bush.

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Speaker 3: I think. I look, I think Marco's been very, very

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Speaker 3: competent senator, and I think it shows some personal fortitude

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Speaker 3: and maybe you know, character resilience that he would come

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Speaker 3: back into the Trump fold in the way that he

603
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Speaker 3: has given what he suffered in twenty sixteen at Trump's hands.

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Speaker 3: But I think Marco sees it as it's bigger, it's

605
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Speaker 3: about the country. I don't know. I tend to be

606
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Speaker 3: pretty pretty pro Rubio in terms of or he is

607
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: one thing, So to me, that's fine, But again I

608
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Speaker 3: don't it's really do I think that President Rubio is

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Speaker 3: a good idea because Vice President Rubio, I think doesn't.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I think people have to remember.

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Speaker 2: That's what you I think you should remember that anytime

612
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Speaker 2: you're looking at a vice president.

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Speaker 3: That is the job. I keep reminding everybody. The job

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00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: is not like, oh, shiny object to help people win

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Speaker 3: the election.

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Speaker 1: The job is you are the understudy you could step in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I people are always like, it doesn't matter,

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Speaker 2: it's VP.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, it matters. It does matter.

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Speaker 2: This is the next guy, you know, like you you

621
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Speaker 2: got to be looking at this as this is just

622
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Speaker 2: as important a pick, which don't We don't get to pick,

623
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Speaker 2: you know. So I think that's why it's sort of

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Speaker 2: this feeling of like intense anticipation what is going to happen? Well,

625
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Speaker 2: we'll know in a few weeks, I guess I'm assuming

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Speaker 2: we'll know at the convention.

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Speaker 3: Are you ever going to run again? By the way,

628
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Speaker 3: are you having too much fun in private life doing

629
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Speaker 3: media and businesses and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I am really enjoying this, but like I said, I

631
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Speaker 2: am watching carefully what happens on the ground here in Michigan,

632
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Speaker 2: and I'm helping out as much as I can because

633
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Speaker 2: I'd like to see our state go back to sanity.

634
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Speaker 2: And I mean, I don't know if you've been watching

635
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: what's happening right now with our Attorney general, but it

636
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: is not there, and so yeah, that's definitely on the

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Speaker 2: table that I'm anticipating an interesting twenty twenty four in Michigan,

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Speaker 2: and that'll that will tell me what happens in twenty

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Speaker 2: six or later. You know, it's not something that I

640
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: think people always think if you ran, you have to

641
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Speaker 2: run again right away. And I think you need to

642
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Speaker 2: sit back and go, Okay, what did I learn and

643
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Speaker 2: how can I adjust in what needs to happen in

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Speaker 2: our state.

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Speaker 3: This is what I tell friends of mine when they

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Speaker 3: get divorced. I'm like, slow down, you know, wait, wait

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Speaker 3: a year or two before you jump back into a marriage, Like,

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Speaker 3: let's think this one through. So yes, I think this

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Speaker 3: is I think after running, it's good to take some

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Speaker 3: time to look at life and see what's going on

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Speaker 3: and consider whether you want to run again.

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Speaker 2: I think people don't. Oh gosh, I will really quickly say.

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Speaker 2: I was watching last night. One of our friends here

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Speaker 2: put a question to Donald Trump Junior about why does

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Speaker 2: Trump endorse these rhinos? And Donald Don Junior came back

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Speaker 2: with a really good answer because he was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you got to understand campaigning is so much harder than

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Speaker 2: what you know, and there's more than just the person's

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Speaker 2: values and what they're looking at. You have to look

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Speaker 2: at the whole picture. Can they actually get there? Do

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Speaker 2: they have that mindset? And I think that that's another

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Speaker 2: challenge when you get down to it. You have all

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Speaker 2: of these people that are so invested in a community leader,

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Speaker 2: but the state wide run and the actual what it

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Speaker 2: takes for the full eighteen to twenty four months of

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Speaker 2: your life dedicating to this, and the emotional toll and

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Speaker 2: the public toll on your family.

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Speaker 1: It's rough. It is so hard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, SOE one superpowers. He just doesn't care. Let's keep coming,

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Speaker 3: Let's just keep going, which is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, if you've ever run for office, you

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Speaker 2: were a look looking at this and going he has.

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Speaker 2: The reason we feel like he has to win is

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Speaker 2: so that it breaks the cycle and you can then say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we've got to get sent common sense back, and you

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Speaker 2: hope it breaks the cycle and it shocks them into

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Speaker 2: saying we can't just continue to humiliate and attack these people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully we shall see. We shall see.

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Speaker 2: If I do decide to run, you'll be the first

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Speaker 2: to know but Bucks Sexton, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: being on today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Tutor, good sid.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and thank you all for joining us on the

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Speaker 2: Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to

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Speaker 1: a blessing,