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Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I

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Speaker 1: grew up on an older row. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of The hunt Collective. I'm, of course, Benjamin

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Speaker 1: Patrick O'Brien, and I'm joined by Philip. The engineers say,

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Speaker 1: hello Philip, Hello, Ben, how are you? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you think episode numbers matter? Because I always struggle

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Speaker 1: to remember them. I think it's I think it's fun

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Speaker 1: to to list it off every week. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like it's kind of like writing a little tally on

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Speaker 1: your prison wall. Just one every day. Pretty pretty soon

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Speaker 1: it starts to look pretty impressive when they stack up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've been here a long time, A long long time,

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Speaker 1: remember back in I remember those days. Um, we have

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Speaker 1: a special guest here joining us. But Phil was a

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Speaker 1: little bit uh, he was just a little bit for

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Speaker 1: clemped by this, like he just didn't know what to do. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's because of our connection, and we'll learn why in

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Speaker 1: a minute. But Phil, before we bring this gentleman onto you,

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Speaker 1: are you upset here? You are you okay? No? I

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Speaker 1: was figuring out your emotions. You're definitely stretching the truth

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Here. You said, hey, is this this

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Speaker 1: is this person joining us? So like should we wait

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Speaker 1: for them? And I said, who were you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I just I didn't read the calendar invite and I

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Speaker 1: didn't know anyone else was coming. So I was a

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Speaker 1: little taken aback. And then I thought about it and

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, this this intro is is the

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Speaker 1: kind of one on one time for us to catch up.

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Speaker 1: And it said it's it's our special little moment every week.

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Speaker 1: And we have someone else here today. Yeah. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: that's Ford van Fawsen of the Van Fawsen's of the

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Speaker 1: Trap Van Fawston's with the Eastern Shore of Maryland. Say hello, Ford,

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Speaker 1: how do you all? How are you doing now? You're

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Speaker 1: you're in catchum, you work for First Light, but you

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Speaker 1: are of Maryland. You are of a Maryland stock. I

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Speaker 1: am a proud Marylander. It's an important part of my identity.

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Speaker 1: And then one around you can can tell me here

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Speaker 1: Maryland boxers and different things like that, but you have

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Speaker 1: you have not done that well. As you began the show.

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Speaker 1: Just then I was thinking about running to get my

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Speaker 1: old day and to put it on the squadcast screen here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe a flag in the background as much as much red, red,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start a segment called Talk in Maryland and

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Speaker 1: it's only when you come on that we're gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: And I've done a little research as to, uh, famous

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Speaker 1: Maryland to um besides Ben O'Brien. Yeah, I wasn't on

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Speaker 1: the list in Wikipedia, so fuck them. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: Three of them are three of the seven people on

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Speaker 1: I was trying to remember what it could be. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. It's exciting times. December is thrilling because

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Speaker 1: We got some good stuff coming up, including THHC. Robes

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Speaker 1: So before we do anything else, though, Old Bay, where

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Speaker 1: it does. I think it rifts off a lot of

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Speaker 1: what y'all talk about on on this here podcast. But

424
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: sort of the idea came about a couple of years ago,

425
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, in in sort of these divided, rancorous times.

426
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Speaker 1: One thing that seems to come through as as bipartisan,

427
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: and something we can largely agree on is the great outdoors, right,

428
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: And we saw that with the Great American Outdoors Act,

429
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Speaker 1: the ACE act um, you know, with as as different

430
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: voices as Jane Fonda and Donald Trump Jr. Uh putting

431
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: together criticism on puble mind, which ultimately seems to have

432
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: somehow moved the needle there. Uh. And so I think

433
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: we came to the conclusion that really conservation is true,

434
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: is truly bipartisan at this time, and we don't have

435
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: to tell ourselves it is particularly and wouldn't it kind

436
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: of be nice if we could get a number of

437
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: companies in our space, and hopefully from all corners of

438
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: the outdoor industry, not just fishing in hunting, involved in

439
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: kind of making a statement about how conservation, how the

440
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: great outdoors brings us together and when just about nothing

441
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: else seems to. And that's kind of where this Common

442
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: Wild Initiative idea was born, in this sort of optimistic

443
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: but hopefully true vision of conservation as a great uniter. Yeah,

444
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: and that's why we see, you know, we talked about

445
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: our polarized times here and and how hard it is

446
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: to kind of get people to come together around something,

447
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: no matter what it is. UM. And the example you

448
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: brought up about the Great American Outdoors Act, not only

449
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: was it socially and culturally binding in some ways, I

450
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: mean it was politically behind him because because that act

451
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: itself was and is something that was bipartisan and nature.

452
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: And so when we think about those things, you know,

453
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: any any effort we can make to foster that connection,

454
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: and really the realization that we aren't as far apart

455
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: as as we might think we are is a good thing. Um.

456
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: And And oftentimes, as you know, when I bring up

457
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: Patagonia or other companies that are seen as you know,

458
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: green or um progressive, there's a lot of people that

459
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: want to clap back about their anti predator hunting stance

460
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: or whatever that might be. There are plenty of if

461
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: we're being honest, thanks to disagree over UM, we tend

462
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: to focus those a lot, which is fine. Um, We

463
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: got to find a way to grind those out. But

464
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: this is a chance common Wow, that to me is

465
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: a chance to focus on what we do agree on. Yeah,

466
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: and and that's sort of a specific story that comes

467
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: to mind in that regard. You know, a couple of

468
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: years ago, uh, Ivan Schinard, founder of Patagonia, was a

469
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: featured storyteller at the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Rendezvous. I

470
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: think it was if it serves me, right, um. And

471
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: there was some foot push back from b h A

472
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: members to your point along, Um, you know, well b

473
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Speaker 1: h A doesn't agree on Patagonia, stands on predator hunting

474
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, a myriad of things, for sure.

475
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: But I thought b h's response to those folks was

476
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: measured and effective, and it was something to the lines of, yes,

477
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: we certainly don't agree on a hundred of a hundred things.

478
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: Maybe we only agree on seventy two and a half

479
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: things out of a hundred with Patagonia, but one of

480
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: those is the protection of wildlife and wild places. And

481
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: so why would we not work with a powerful ally

482
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: so to speak, that that shares that common and I

483
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: would argue sort of all encompassing goal, right. I mean,

484
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: let's basically put another way, let's put aside our differences

485
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: on those six or ten issues in the interest of

486
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: you know, basically protecting um our access Americans access to

487
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: the natural world, right um. And that that did that

488
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: had a that made an impression on the team at

489
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: first life for sure, and I think that helped to

490
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: inform kind of the vision for this m because, you know,

491
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: put another way, I think we can argue about who

492
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: snowmobiling where, who's hunting there, who's trail running, bird watching

493
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, when they're in the parking lot paving

494
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: over the woods we were talking about. UM, I think

495
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of wait, let's stand back here

496
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: and look at how much we have in common. We

497
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: all need the woods, we all have a passion for

498
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: doing something in the woods. So let's protect them first

499
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: and iron out sort of the details later. Yeah, that's

500
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: exactly right. And part of the thing that we've always

501
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: talked about on this show about the hunting community itself.

502
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: If it's not accepting of differing ideas, if it's a

503
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: monolith in the way that it sees the world, it's

504
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: never gonna grow. It's never gonna find social acceptance, it's

505
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: never gonna find culture acceptance, it's never gonna find the

506
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: place I think it deserves within our nation and our

507
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: and our national consciousness. So if we're not able to,

508
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: if we kick everybody out that thinks that we should

509
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: ban a or fifteens or we should stop shooting wolves,

510
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: and we're never gonna have the kind of broad based

511
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: support that we need to do what we do. So UM,

512
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: folks out there that that really want to see an

513
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: industry getting together saying hey, this is something we really

514
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna do something to display this. Um.

515
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: Support of of legislation is one thing, but this is another.

516
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Because commerce is commerce, companies have to girl, they've gotta

517
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: make money, and this is something that is about a

518
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: little bit more than that. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean

519
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: I think it's about it's largely you know, this is

520
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: a fundraiser, to be clear. Practically, what we're doing is

521
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: selling a series of limited uh release um swag essentially,

522
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: and of the profits are going to conservation, so analogene,

523
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: an enamel camp cup and a cap um. But really,

524
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, this is more about this message than

525
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: it is even about fundraising for specific groups, which it

526
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: will do in a big way and is already doing.

527
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: I should say, um, but I almost think that that

528
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: message of conservation as a unifier, especially in these divided times,

529
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: is almost the most important element of this project. Absolutely absolutely,

530
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: We'll tell people, give people the rundown of where they

531
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: go what they can do and the what what what

532
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: the end game is here to so we're clear absolutely Yeah.

533
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: So obviously you know first light uh dot com you're

534
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: gonna find links right away to the Common Wild project. Um.

535
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: But generally speaking, common Wild dot org is going to

536
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: have sort of the comprehensive rundown on the campaign and

537
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: it'll have links to all the participating brands, from hunting

538
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: rifles to women's mountain bike apparel that you can get

539
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: that limit edition Common Wild, camp Cup, now Gene and

540
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: hat at So immediately Florida, when the camp Cup and

541
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: the now Gene showed up and the hat, my wife

542
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: stole all of it, all of it test So he's

543
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: drinking wine out of the camp cup last night. In fact,

544
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: that's the best thing you could have told me about

545
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: the use of the merchandise. Man. There isn't a Common

546
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: Wild is not an n G. Oh, it's not a nonprofit.

547
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: There's no kind of central is fund. It's more a way.

548
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I see the campaign as a way for brands to

549
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: raise money kind of for the conservation partners they already

550
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: work with. So you know, for example, weather be I

551
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: believe is given all their funds uh, or all the

552
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: profits from the project to the Mule Deer Foundation. Uh.

553
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: NEMO is given all the profits from their Common Wild

554
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: Gear to TRCP. So that kind of the agency on

555
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: where those dollars are going, um is totally up to

556
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: the brand basically. UM, So you know, kind of depending

557
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: on who you're buying from, you'll kind of be able

558
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: to learn more about where those dollars are going specifically.

559
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. It makes all sense. Yeah, UM,

560
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: that's It's just it's an important thing and for people

561
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: to think. UM. Our buddy Bryan Callahan always talks about

562
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: trailhoad diplomacy. This is a more commerce commerce related way

563
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: to get in that. And it's like I said, it's

564
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: pretty cool thing. My wife immediately stole it and ran

565
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: off and filled it with wine and hit in the

566
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: closet and drank. I mean again, Luke and Lisa don't

567
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: have kids. Uh that's what if that's what it makes

568
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: you do, it really does. UM. All right, Well we're

569
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna get to Sam. Sohold, We're gonna get to uh

570
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: everything from duck stamps to how he came up hunting

571
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: as a kid, to why why social media scares both

572
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: of us In another conversation with our good friend and

573
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: public lan bus guy Sam soholl Enjoy Sam So, Hold,

574
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: what's up, buddy? Not much, man, it's good to be

575
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: back on the podcast. I know. It's good to see it. Man.

576
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: You look good. You look like you've had a robust

577
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: fall season. It's been good, you know, it's Uh. Typically

578
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I can tell how good the season was by how

579
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: much weight I've lost in my face by the end

580
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: of November. Face weight. We should do a contest, the

581
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: face weight contest before and after for the audience here. Yeah,

582
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: because it's drastic. Yeah. I always usually measured by like

583
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: scraggliness of beard. Although I haven't haunted. I didn't hunt

584
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: it all in November because of the COVID's. But usually

585
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: if my beard has like one hair that's going north

586
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: and one that's going west, I feel pretty good about it.

587
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: That's a good year. Your face looks thin, face looks

588
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: look after. It's a combo of things, you know. It's

589
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: it's it's not eating all that much and getting up,

590
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, four o'clock every day for the last about

591
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: thirty days, and sitting in a tree, um chasing white

592
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: tails and then um also shaving my beard off into

593
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: a mustache. Really, I saw that. I didn't like it.

594
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: I got it. Yeah it. Mustaches are such a hit

595
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: or miss thing. Yeah no, and it's not good at me.

596
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: I just look exactly like my dad if I if

597
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: I shave it, and nothing wrong with that. Jerry Solholt

598
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: is a damn legend. He's one of the man and

599
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: you've been doing a lot of hunt with him and

600
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: your brother, right, Yeah, Yeah, it's been good. We got

601
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: to do too a week long family trips this year,

602
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: so um yeah, it was great and it was really

603
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: fun to got my dad was able to shoot a

604
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: deer on both trips, which is, you know, pretty rare.

605
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Really well, give give the you know, we last episode

606
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: we did the listeners made me cry because we did

607
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: like a holiday traditions thing and a lot of people

608
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: wrote in about their dads and Mark Keny was on

609
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: and we were talking about his dad, and I shed

610
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: a few tears. I'm not I'm not scared of amant

611
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: that ship and um, but your dad, I feel like

612
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: needs his own show, if you agree, Yeah, I think so.

613
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: And I've been trying to figure out so I've had

614
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: this idea for a while and somebody's probably gonna steal

615
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: it now that I'm gonna talk about it on a podcast,

616
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: but it's patented, patted and protected. I p it's got

617
00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: IP protection trademarked. No, I want to do UM just

618
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: a kind of a either weekly or every couple of weeks,

619
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: like kind of a segment UM focusing on conservation, like

620
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: and what's happening with different conservation groups and what they're

621
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: up to UM. And I thought that he would be

622
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: a good host of that show for YouTube, and so

623
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of work working out the details on that

624
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: with him to see if he would want to do that.

625
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: But well, I'm all for that. We we had a

626
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: we had a really emotional like father's son hunt origin

627
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: story Thanksgiving time last week. So what what was your

628
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: it was growing up? Like, what was your thing with

629
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: Jerry and your brother? Like? What was it? What was it?

630
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: Because you guys have extended that. I mean, you guys are,

631
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, hunting your asses off together during a pandemic,

632
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: which is beautiful in and of itself, But I mean,

633
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: how did all get going? Yeah? So, uh, my dad

634
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: or our dad grew up in northern Wisconsin in a

635
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: hunting family. So our grandpa hunted, you know, all the time,

636
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: and um shot a lot of deer. And the legend

637
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: has it that he was just a hell of a shot. Um.

638
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: So they lived in northern west This isn't just a story, um,

639
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: real quick. So they lived in northern Wisconsin and so

640
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: it really thick woods, you know, so if you're going

641
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: to shoot something like, you've got to be quick on

642
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: the draw, you know, catch a glint of vantler or

643
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: whatever it was pronounced tick woods, yeah, tick yeah, super

644
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: super super thick. Well, then there was a stint where

645
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: the whole family moved to Carrington, North Dakota, and my

646
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: grandpa ran the farmers Union um uh plant or whatever

647
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: right there in Carrington, and u um there was you know,

648
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: it's wide open in North Dakota. So they were going

649
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: to do a deer drive and there's a group of

650
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: guys and I think it was nine or ten guys

651
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: in the group and they were going to drive this

652
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: field and shelter belts and stuff. And well they put

653
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: my grandpa then because they had heard that he was

654
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: a good shot, and they said, well a lot of

655
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: us won't it shots at deer. So if you have

656
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: opportunities at shooting box, like just keep shooting. You know.

657
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: This was back in the fifties. And so my grandpa,

658
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: being a guy that had lived his whole life shooting

659
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: deer and then Northwoods, all of a sudden deer start

660
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: running out the end of the shelter belt and he

661
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: shot nine. Uh. And when he told the story, you know,

662
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, it's all easy shots. You know, it

663
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: was like between nine hundred and fifty yards. I'm sure

664
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: they're running, but it's in the wide open. So he

665
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: shot nine and he's like, and you know, it came

666
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: to find out that the guys weren't really all that

667
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: happy that I filled all their tags because they didn't

668
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: expect me to do that. But um, but yeah, when

669
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: he lived in North Dakota, he shot a deer. Um

670
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: that it was you know, it's probably scores in the

671
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: one seventies, maybe low one eighties. Um. But more impressively,

672
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: they waited it after it had hung, gutted and hung

673
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: for three days, and it was three hundred and seventy

674
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: five pounds. Oh yeah, so they figured it to be

675
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: four fifteen pounds ish on the hoof. Come on, that's

676
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: like three Texas Hill Country deer put together. We have

677
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: a photo of it, um that he had shot two

678
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: other bucks that morning, and there's a photo of that

679
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: deer hanging with two other really nice dear from the

680
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: big forklift of a tractor and it's just giant, just enormous. Well,

681
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: when we share this podcast, how you have to send

682
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: me that because I will see found deer hanging. Yeah.

683
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: So then so, yeah, so he grew up hunting or

684
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, my dad grew up hunting Wisconsin, my dad

685
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: and uncle. And then when we were kids, my dad

686
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: was still archery hunting. And but when we were all born,

687
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: obviously time is a little bit harder to come by,

688
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: and archery hunting isn't really conducive to spending time with family.

689
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: So uh, we were living in born in Aberdeen, South Dakota,

690
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: and we had transitioned basically completely into bird hunting because

691
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: upland and water fowling was away easier opportunity to have

692
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: the whole family out together spending time. You know, whether

693
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: it be in a blind or in a boat or whatever,

694
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: everyone's right there and you can talk the whole time

695
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: and share the experiences. And so um, from when I

696
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: was really little, you know, way too young, probably five

697
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: or six years old. I was walking pheasant fields and

698
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: and then when I was ten or so, we started

699
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: duck hunting and you know, started really dove into that,

700
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: and that's all we did. And then, you know, as

701
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: Josh and I got older, we both transitioned into big

702
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: game stuff. And then our dad, Jerry, got back into

703
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: it heavily, and we've been chasing deer with the bow since. Uh. Really,

704
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: it's like again, he got back into it in about

705
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. Yeah, there's no like, I feel

706
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: like with Jerry, there might be like some hidden woodstock

707
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: story or something that you got tucked away like this time,

708
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: like a bar fight story or some kind of well

709
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: I've got. Yeah, there's definitely those. Yeah. I feel like

710
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: Jerry his legend may grow in this podcast. Yeah, I

711
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: mean they're a quick bar fight story. He went to

712
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: a wedding in Winnipeg and him and all the groomsmen

713
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: went into a bar and h this was in the

714
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: height of Vietnam. This was back in the seventies and

715
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: six yeah, seventies. Anyway, going to go into the bar,

716
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: and one of my dad's buddies asked the guy, Are

717
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: you from Winnipeg And he said yeah, and he goes,

718
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: are you from the States and he goes yeah, and

719
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: the guy just clocked him and then the whole bar

720
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: broke out in the fight and they had had to

721
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: fight their way out just because they were from the States.

722
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: So but there, Jerry, don't play. Jerry probably got in there. Whoops.

723
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Some Canadians. Oh yeah, I mean he was a college

724
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 1: football player, you know, six three fifty pounds at the time. Yeah. Yeah,

725
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: not to offend anybody from Canada, but no, I mean,

726
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: you guys can't you. I mean, they are hockey. You

727
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: can't say they can't fight because they that's one of

728
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: the things that are actually good at it. Yeah, well

729
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: they can fight and then they're still friends at the

730
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: end of it. That's right, go on, we have Yeah.

731
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: The Canadian contingent of th hc IS is a vocal

732
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: and angry contingent, often because we slight them sometimes, but

733
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, we love you guys will be up there. Yeah,

734
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: well that's good hopefully you know you guys can I

735
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: suggest I always suggest things that you should do, you know,

736
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: I think, hey, Sam, you should do this. You should

737
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: do a show with the three. You guys hunting together?

738
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: Boom we should Yeah, that really should a show of

739
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: its own. The sohole boys call it that you get

740
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: like you know you already have. You don't even need

741
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: the vehicle. I was going to say, get a get

742
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: a vehicle. We already got that, you got the vegans

743
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: were set. What's the I'd like to see you do

744
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: a publicly and e bike? Uh sure, yeah, maybe that's

745
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: off Maybe that's that's probably a little bit off brand.

746
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I have an e bike. We actually uh yeah,

747
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: I got a couple of them this year. But a

748
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: lot of the places that we hunt you can't bike in.

749
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: So it's it's been. It's been hard. Stays on the

750
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: back of the van, yeah quite a bit. All right, Well,

751
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: how's the van going? I need a van update. We

752
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: probably talked about the van during quarantine castway back when

753
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: we when we thought life eventually, the pandemic would end.

754
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: You remember when we were like, oh, September will probably ever. Um,

755
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: that's not the case. But you did spend all fall

756
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: in the van. Last time I was in the van,

757
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: I slept on the ground. Well I'm not the ground.

758
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: I slept on the metal flooring of the van, which

759
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: is pretty comfortable all in all. I think there was

760
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: still carpet in it at that time. I think it

761
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: had it might have had some sort of covering over

762
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: the metal flooring of the van. Memories. Yeah, I was

763
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: just thinking about that, um, you know, like whatever that'd

764
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: be just over a year ago. That was the end

765
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: of October that we were out in Montana chasing critters

766
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: around in it when it was still blue and still

767
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, nothing had been done on the inside. And

768
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: then the podcast that we did in March early in

769
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: the pandemic. Ah, I'm trying to think that all we

770
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: had done. We had ripped the guts out of it

771
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and we had got it wrapped. I think that was

772
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: the only two things that we had done. And so

773
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: now it's completely built out. Um you know, like the

774
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: side doors open up into like a main whole compartment

775
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: so you can do the gear throw, and then the

776
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: back is when you open the back doors, you have

777
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: a decked drawer system, and then on top of that

778
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: as a cargo glide with a foam cut out for

779
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: all the guns and bows, and then above that as

780
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: a bed that has a divider so we can both

781
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: sleep in there. Does the cargo guide lock. Yeah that's nice. Yeah,

782
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: that's nice. Does this make your garage looks so much more?

783
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: Just there's nothing in there. So when I look at

784
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: my garage and like, hey, man, I wish I had

785
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: a van to put all the ship. You know what

786
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: you would you would think so, But I have found

787
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: that it doesn't really matter. It's like you transition between

788
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: seasons so much like the garde is always full of stuff.

789
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, especially if you're a big waterfowl guy.

790
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: You gotta have there's no way to get around that ship.

791
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: The garage is always full. We should do I might

792
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: do a podcast one time just about garage, just go

793
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: through the garage set up. Because a hunter, every hunter

794
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: has to have the like a garage that's put together. Yeah.

795
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: I would love to have like a forty by sixty

796
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: building and finally have all of my stuff in one spot,

797
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: a van van. Increasingly smaller vehicles, Yeah, it have to

798
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: be like an eight stall garage, so I can keep

799
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: buying like smaller a little. Eventually it's just a scooter

800
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: public scooter. I'll just buy like a ten based storage

801
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: unit and then each one could be a different season

802
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: vehicle waterfowl upland white to that would actually be yeah,

803
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: we can make nice. We could make some money off that, imbozement.

804
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: I bet if we had like storage unit just for hunters,

805
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: sharage unit complex just for hunters. Actually that's not it's

806
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: a good business idea. You're a guy that starts businesses. Yes, yeah,

807
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: I think that. You know Bozeman Hunting storage where we

808
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: have like, yeah, this is your waterfowl one and this

809
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: is so what you do. Just off the top of

810
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: my head, you would have storage units that it is,

811
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: this is patented and protected. Yeah, this is also But

812
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: in the center of the complex you have a game

813
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: cleaning facility and so people could pull in and drop

814
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: their four wheeler the boat and then pull in and

815
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: hoist the deer up or the elk up or the

816
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: quarters or whatever, cut them all up and yep. In

817
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: the back end of our facility, we have a bar

818
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: where people come in, a little bragging board they get

819
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: to put their pictures in. Yep. You just say, okay,

820
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: a couple hundred bucks a month, you get to be

821
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: a part of the hunt club. You get to use

822
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: their game cleaning facilities. Um, we'll hire somebody just to

823
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: be there. This is actually we're gonna cut this out

824
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: of the show. Yeah, okay, how about sell the van

825
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: and will raffle the bus and use it to pay

826
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: for the hunting storage. Perfect, Yeah, and we'll just like

827
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: this one. There's a waterfowl one, but like it's well,

828
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: it's the exact same as the other one. They're like, no,

829
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: it's it's no, it's not choose your an adventure. It's

830
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: different dimensions. Though. I feel like this, but anyway, you

831
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: you do you feel like that the van you can

832
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: tell you what kind of van it was, but you

833
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: feel like the van was obviously more fuel economic economic

834
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: fuel wise than the bus. Do you feel like it

835
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: had the same allure and the same comfort level? Like

836
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: did you miss the old the old girl? Yeah? I

837
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: mean so it's trade offs, right, So the van is

838
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: nice because you can travel a lot quicker and you

839
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: can take it anywhere. Um, you know, having a four

840
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: wheel drive van with all that storage and everything built out,

841
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: very purpose driven for hunting. It's an awesome rig. What

842
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: I really miss about having the bus all the time

843
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: is honestly, the space for there was always a place

844
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: for everything in the bus. Uh, you know, and I could,

845
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: I could pack for three months of traveling three different seasons,

846
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: all the different weather types and hide you know, all

847
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: of the other stuff that I wasn't using could be

848
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: jammed under beds and back under stuff and packed in

849
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: um until I swapped seasons and then I could just

850
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: grab stuff out and then also being able to stand

851
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: all the time. And if I didn't want to set

852
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: up a tent like a cook in the in the

853
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: bus or um. So there's just you know, it's just

854
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: trade offs. But the bus didn't go anywhere other than

855
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, a campground or a trailhead or like the

856
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: foothills of stuff. It wasn't wasn't built for back roads

857
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: on the mountains. Yeah, yeah, like I was. You know,

858
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: I always think of you know, a lot of guys

859
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: sleep in the back of their trucks. A lot of

860
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: guys I've been really and just joining enjoying a nice

861
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: putting up a nice tent. I don't know, for I've

862
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: just been sleeping in tents forever, So it just feels

863
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: more common to me. I don't know that slide in

864
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: the back of my truck with the top row on

865
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: it would be so yeah, appealing to me. In in

866
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: any way. So there's so many, so many different ways

867
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: to do it. We talked about that on this show

868
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: a couple of times. How are you truck camping? Because

869
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: especially in the West, but as you as you know

870
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: across the country, UM, having a place to easily blow

871
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: your head is essential if you're hunting public land and

872
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: you're moving around. Yeah, and and I and I found

873
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, um, I do like like back country hunting,

874
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: uh and doing the you know, you throw a camp

875
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: on your back and you're going in for whatever five

876
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: to ten days. But at the same time, I feel

877
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: like a lot of times I can hunt harder, even

878
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: if I'm hiking extra every single day and I'm not

879
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: spiking out, I can hunt harder if I know I

880
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: have a warm, dry place to go sleep and be

881
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: able to make good food and I'm gonna sleep better,

882
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat better, and like the next morning, I

883
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: can wake up and charge in another four or five

884
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: miles and then charge back out instead of being completely

885
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: wiped out. But that's just me personally, Like I mean,

886
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: everybody has their own level of comfort on all that stuff. Yeah,

887
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: And I think it's sickly for me too, because sometimes

888
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: this year especially, I got to a point where I

889
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: was telling some guys at work, like I got to

890
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: a point where I wanted to be alone hunting. I

891
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: don't know why. I didn't have any reason for it.

892
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think part of it was I took

893
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: my dad out early in the season. I take another

894
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: other people out. When you're hunting elk, you kind of

895
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: have to have two people. You kill one, it's a

896
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: hell of a lot easier to pack it out with

897
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: another person along with you. And for me too, or

898
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: in grizzly country all the time, it's also nice to

899
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: have somebody that can shoot a bear off you if

900
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: it's ripping your face. Yeah, those are nice things to have.

901
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: Those are actually things that but you're hunting with a

902
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: different person, then you have to say, like who's gonna shoot,

903
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: who's gonna you know, who's gonna not, And then you

904
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: end up I always end up deferring because I do

905
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: want other people to kill things. But then eventually you're like, man,

906
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm I gotta I gotta fill some tags. I gotta

907
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: get going now. I know I want to be by myself,

908
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: make my own decisions, you know. So I was happy

909
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: the hunt deer on my own hunt, pronging on my own,

910
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: just to get to the point where it was like

911
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: nothing else mattered but where I was and who I

912
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: was with. But then other times, like that time we

913
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: were that I slept in the van, there was like

914
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: eight people on that hunt and we just we just

915
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: basically hung out in the middle of a snowstorm, and

916
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: that was still fun and of itself. Yeah, No, I

917
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: think I think that's right. It's like just changes from

918
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: time to time, like kind of how you feel about

919
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: each hunt, what you want the experience to be. Yeah,

920
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: I think that's just how it goes. Yeah, And you

921
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: and I have been on some some whole kind of

922
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: different adventures. Man, we have been. We've been kind of

923
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: all over the world doing stuff that's right. Yeah, And

924
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: so that those things like those memories, you know, you

925
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of I pick and choose. But but when I waffle,

926
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: I didn't tend to waffle towards being with people more

927
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: than being alone. Really, when I want to kill something,

928
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: it's easier to be alone. Like you did, make our

929
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: your own choices, you move on your own, your on

930
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: your own timeline, and boom boom boom, you're done. Um,

931
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: but when I really I really like having at least

932
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: one other person there, if only to share the whole

933
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: experience with. UM. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you.

934
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: But ultimately, like when people are thinking about, you know,

935
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: when I moved to Montana, the first thing I thought

936
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: about is I gotta have a setup for each type

937
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: of hunt, you know, because there's so many options in

938
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: a place like Montana, and then most places where you

939
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: can move around and hunt across the state, there's a

940
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: lot of options, like in South Dakota where you're at

941
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: a lot of things you can go and do um

942
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: from you know, seasonally for sure, And so you gotta

943
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: kind of have like if I'm running the gun on

944
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: my own, I'm gonna have this, you know, I'm gonna

945
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: have a you know, stone Glacier makes a great just

946
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, BIV that is your trek and pull and

947
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: the covering and it's less than a pounds. What's it called?

948
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: It escapes me. What it's called something you guys will

949
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: look it up. I've mentioned it before. Look that up,

950
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: Phil Jamie, Jamie looking up Jamie. Um, we don't have

951
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: we're not We're not that. I've finished my beer by

952
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: the way for folks that aren't for folks that are

953
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: listening expecting us to have a point to the conversation.

954
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: It's Friday. Uh, Sam's having a white claw. I'm finishing.

955
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: I'm Adelo. You know, not think will make I think

956
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: we'll make some good points. I mean, there's no way

957
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: to know. We've got a lot to talk about, We've

958
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: got stuff to cover, and yeah, let's get to that,

959
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: because that's it feels meaningful. And I'm out of my beer,

960
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: so maybe my wife will bring me another one. On

961
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: a texture? Do you feel like, you know, where do

962
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: you think we are in terms of conservation as a

963
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 1: whole in the honey community. I mean, over the years

964
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: that I've been in the hunting community, I've seen it.

965
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, I want to say it. It became

966
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: a buzz word. It became something everybody was thinking about,

967
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: and certainly for you and for you and for meat

968
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: either and for what I do here at the hunt

969
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: collect Like we build our ethos and the reasons we

970
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: go outside, we bake in conservation. Right, So conservation went

971
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: from something I was talked about after we talked about

972
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: how big the buck was, into a part of what

973
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: we did like a forward facing value set for our group.

974
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: And now, UM, with everything, there's a counterculture that builds

975
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: when when you're talking about conservation all the time, that

976
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: there's people that are tired of hearing it or they

977
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: just want to go hunt, right, And so I think

978
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: that that's a natural evolution. Do you you feel that too?

979
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: And what you do because I know with public and

980
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: tease and with the Duck Stamp initiative that you're working

981
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: on UM stamping forward, I mean you're you're directly in

982
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: the business of of conservation and promoting and and understanding

983
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: where it where, where it's living right now. Yeah, I

984
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: mean I feel like, yeah, it's it's um. You know,

985
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: it really ramped up there when it became a hashta

986
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, it became a cool thing to talk about

987
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: and a cool thing to promote, and and like you said,

988
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: like I think some of that has fallen off, mostly

989
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: just because we all have very little UM time for

990
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: that much attention on any one thing, and so there's

991
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, people are still talking about it. I think

992
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: the I think the best thing that has come from

993
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: all of this is that even if less people are

994
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: talking about it today, people are still thinking about it

995
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: when they're making decisions on you know, buying tags or

996
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: supporting conservation groups or you know, helping out at some

997
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: river cleanup or whatever it might be. I think, even

998
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: if it's not like this, you know, war cry at

999
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: the moment, I think it's still in the back of

1000
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people's minds, and I still get a

1001
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: lot of messages and I'm sure you do too, about

1002
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: people really thanking us for how much promotion we do

1003
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: of how important conservation is, especially during the pandemic, because

1004
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 1: all of the conservation groups are really hurting because weren't

1005
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: able to have any banquets, all the events are canceled.

1006
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's because it's such a shift immediately, it's

1007
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: really hard for people to make that transition to only

1008
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: donating online instead of being able to go and hang

1009
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: out with their buddies and spend five hundred bucks on

1010
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: raffle tickets and whatever it might be. Um. Yeah, so

1011
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: I think we're just in this weird transition period where

1012
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: nonprofits are learning how to raise money outside of the

1013
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: banquet scene, and people that want to be involved in

1014
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: conservation are trying to learn how they can still help

1015
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: without going to a banquet. So it's, uh, it's going

1016
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: to be interesting. So anybody listening, like, um, you're probably

1017
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: not going to a banquet this year, but it would.

1018
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: It goes a long way to go sign up for

1019
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: five different conservation groups. I mean, it'll be about bucks

1020
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: to do that, but it goes a long way, it

1021
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: really does. And conservation is a concept where it really

1022
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: depends on the people. Like it is something that is

1023
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: so aligned with people's sensibilities and what they're willing to

1024
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: give to it, you know. I think hunting. Hunting itself

1025
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: is a participatory, you know activity, but you can participate

1026
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: in it without having any knowledge of the conservation that

1027
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: that rides along, you know, in your pocket while you

1028
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: go there. Now we'll talk about the duck stamp and

1029
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: some of other things that you're contributing to even if

1030
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: you don't have the knowledge that you're doing it. Um.

1031
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: But that's that's I think that's the more tangible side

1032
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: of conservation. The less tangible side is like how we

1033
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: we think about you know, the value system, right, and

1034
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: and the value system leads to wanting to pay into it,

1035
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, the only reason I've ever been a life

1036
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: member of any organization is because I felt like, I know,

1037
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, I know that b h A, my life

1038
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: membership of b h A really matters. It really matters

1039
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: them from a revenue standpoint and the things that they

1040
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: do that are good for me. Um. Really sorry, I

1041
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: gotta message that I needed to deal with. Never mind,

1042
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: never mind, I need to like shut down all my

1043
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: messaging systems. My slack is like blowing up. Um, what's

1044
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: that saying? My podcast is going down hill? Everything you're

1045
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: just talking about? How important like a lifetime membership to

1046
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: h SO. Yeah, like a lifetime cut this out, Philly,

1047
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: you motherfucker. Uh you know, for example, the lifetime membership

1048
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: to h A. I sit on the board there. I

1049
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: know what that revenue means to this that that organization.

1050
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: And I know when something like the Great American Outdoors

1051
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: that comes up, or or something like the farm bill

1052
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: for example, if you're if you're talking about pheasants forever. Um,

1053
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: there's so many, there's so many, so much legislation that

1054
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: requires us to act right and and conservation requires us

1055
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: to act. Hunting itself requires us to participate, and it's

1056
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: its own it's an own action. It doesn't require you

1057
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: to do anything other than go and fill your tag

1058
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: or not. Conservation is a parallel activity that we all

1059
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: have to take place, you know, to take part in

1060
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: along the way. So it really is on us. And

1061
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: that's a good feeling. I know when you and I

1062
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: are hanging out that we like we share that and

1063
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: we want to fight for that, and that's cool man.

1064
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: And um, you know, for us to be able to

1065
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: move along in our lives and in the industry and

1066
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: our hunting experiences knowing that, you know, I think it

1067
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: brings people together. So I hope I hope everybody can

1068
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: recognize that in a changing time. It's a good point

1069
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: you made there, you know. And uh, I forget who

1070
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: wrote the article, but I but I honestly really enjoyed it.

1071
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: It was Most people that get into hunting don't do

1072
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: so because they want to participate in conservation. There's a

1073
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: whole slew of other reasons that they want to hunt,

1074
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: whether it be to source their own food, or to

1075
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: spend time with family and friends, or just kind of

1076
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: get back to, you know, reset your soul in the woods. Um.

1077
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: But the majority of people don't go, I'm gonna start

1078
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: hunting because I want to donate to conservation and so

1079
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a parallel activity that you need

1080
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: to have that you need to understand more about. And

1081
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: so people like us, we just need to continue to

1082
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: do a better job educating about how important just simple

1083
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: license sales are as well as everything else, whether you know,

1084
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: through the nonprofits and through the Pittman Robertson, through the

1085
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: LWCF and um you name it. There's all these different

1086
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: programs that still most people have no idea about that

1087
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: keep the world of hunting and fishing, you know, moving.

1088
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: So it's uh, yeah, I think I think it's just

1089
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: important for us to continue to do what we do best,

1090
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: and that's advocate for wild places, uh, an escape for

1091
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: people to go, and money to keep all of those

1092
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: places open. Yeah, I mean I think that we too also,

1093
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: and I would be guilty of this too. And I

1094
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: realized this when I was writing an article on Piven

1095
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: Robertson Peterson's hunting some of yours back in my mind

1096
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: and in the crew I hang out. I think even

1097
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: the people that listened to this podcast, because eleven point

1098
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: five million people don't listen to this podcast. Yeah, I mean,

1099
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: we will get there someday, obviously, Uh, we're close, We're

1100
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: not close. Um that we live in a bubble. I

1101
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: live in a bubble where I where everybody I talked

1102
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: to understands Pittman Robertson, Everybody I talked to understands the

1103
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: duck stamp. Everybody I talked to understands and is passionate

1104
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: about landa water conservation fund. And so in my own mind,

1105
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: I started, I start to build this community of hunters

1106
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: where it's the prevailing knowledge set is that of the

1107
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: people I hang out with. And that's just not true,

1108
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: you know. And I did a I I took a

1109
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: straw poll of two hundred people that I know that

1110
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: went that hunt, that are avid hunters when I was

1111
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: writing this article about Pittman Robertson, And I asked him

1112
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: the simple question, what is Pittman Robertson? And I also

1113
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: gave them the other you know, like what is here?

1114
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: The other names of it, like what is this? What

1115
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: does it mean to you? And a hundred and ninety

1116
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: seven of them didn't know what it was? Um, two

1117
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: of them knew what it was. One of them like

1118
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: talked through kind of that money went somewhere and didn't

1119
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: you know? And so in in this idea that and

1120
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: and can I blame them? No. When you buy a

1121
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: license and they give you a little book, the little

1122
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: regulations book, no matter where you are and what state

1123
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: you are is Pittman Robertson, duck stamp, LBCF on and

1124
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: on farm bill, on and on we go? Is that

1125
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: printed on the front and the first three pages of

1126
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: that not right in the top. It's typically like if

1127
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: there is something, it's always right at the back of

1128
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: the book. That's it's like, by the way, and so

1129
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: and so. No matter what we do, we may penetrate

1130
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: the same core group of people that really love this.

1131
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: But you know, I think the beauty of the things

1132
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: that you're doing is that, like by wearing a T

1133
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: shirt or by passing forward a duck stamp, there's incremental

1134
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: growth in the core group of people that we feel

1135
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: are important for the future of this thing, of people

1136
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: that really have the value system and aren't you is

1137
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: taking part in the participatory hunt, but are engaging in

1138
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: the value system that comes with it, which is which

1139
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: is I believe is a beautiful thing. It makes your

1140
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: life better. In my opinion, I completely agree. I was

1141
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: gonna say, I hope you like I disagree, Ben, that's

1142
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely not. Um have you seen have you have

1143
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: you had a lot of a lot of people through

1144
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: what you do through your Instagram that that do tell you,

1145
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: Hey man, I never really thought about it this way,

1146
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: but now you know, I've I've I'm telling everybody about this. Yeah.

1147
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 1: And and honestly, even people that I know who have

1148
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: been avid hunters in the past are starting to frame

1149
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, whether it be the duck stamp for everything

1150
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: else that we're up to, They're starting to frame money

1151
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: generated for conservation in a different way in their mind.

1152
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: You know, I had a buddy who he is a

1153
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: guide at a water fowling outfitter, and he's like, hey, man,

1154
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: like I bought three stamps the other day, Like I

1155
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: bought a T shirt from me I'm getting stamp anyway,

1156
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: but I went and bought three when I went to

1157
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: buy the one to have in my wallet because I

1158
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: had never ever thought about the fact that that money

1159
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: just goes directly back to, you know, protecting wetland habitat

1160
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: and so um. It's been fun to get those types

1161
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: of messages from people who have been in it for

1162
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: a long time. They're like, oh, man, like it makes

1163
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: total sense just to you know, throw a little bit

1164
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: extra at it every year. Yeah, yeah, and and that

1165
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: that money because I know, duck stamp legislation in Congress

1166
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: is one of the one of the only taxes in

1167
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: the country where people like add to it, tax us more.

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: The constituency is like, hey, listen, we'll pay more. I

1169
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: would like that. Yeah, yeah, I'd like it. Yeah. And

1170
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: imagine if you lived and always we wouldn't use the

1171
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: analogy lately around here, like if Honeing was a town, right,

1172
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: if you lived in a town and the hunting community

1173
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: was a town, it would be a lot of white dudes.

1174
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: But we'll get we'll say that for another day. But

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: there would be a shared value system, like a communal

1176
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: value system that says like, hey, we really want that

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01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: fire station to have a new house. Here's some money

1178
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: we really you know, like because we all get to

1179
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: use the public land system and even are all able

1180
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: to at the level we're able to cooperate with landowners

1181
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: hunt their lane as well, whether that's leasing or just

1182
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: a cooperative work exchange or whatever that might end up being. Um,

1183
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: we're able to have this shared value system. We treat

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01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: each other better we treat the places where are better. Um,

1185
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: at least in theory, where's plenty of examples of people

1186
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: trash in places they shouldn't trash. But in theory, like

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01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: our town is pretty damn like at least in the

1188
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: way we act a pretty damn close knit community that

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01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: is willing to contribute to make the place better like

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01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: at its And that's what conservation in terms of a

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01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: value system does. Um. Yes, when we're at the bar

1192
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: we argue about compound bow versus crossbow, but but we're

1193
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: paying into the bar man. You know. You know. The

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01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: thing that it's me at ease though, is that it

1195
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what industry, like, whether it be hunting or

1196
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: biking or camping or you know, it doesn't matter. It's

1197
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: like or if you sell computer software. You know, it

1198
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: doesn't matter the industry. Every single group has that in

1199
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: fighting of some description. Now, on the hunting side of things,

1200
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: it's a little more important to squash that down because

1201
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: we are under a microscope most of the time, and

1202
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: so it's just we need to make sure that we're

1203
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: promoting hunting and outdoor recreation in a very positive light

1204
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: whenever possible. Yeah, isn't that that ends up being you

1205
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: know where conservation and social media and everything gets thrown

1206
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: into We've talked about on this show at nausea, but

1207
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: but I think I to me, it becomes like the

1208
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: ultimate duality for hunting. The way I put it, uh

1209
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: last episode when I was talking to Mark Kenyon was

1210
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: everybody should be able to do what they want, but

1211
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: nobody should be able to do what they want. Yeah,

1212
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: this is kind of This is kind of how feels

1213
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: at different top points in time when somebody's doing something

1214
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: that puts a bad light on everybody and is obviously

1215
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: disingenuous and all intentioned. Everybody wants and it's legal. Like

1216
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: we had up here in White Soulfur Springs east of Bozeman,

1217
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: which I'm sure you're familiar with, hunters got together and

1218
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: flock shot fifty elk. Right, so this happened, right, we

1219
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: talked about on the show like okay, but it was

1220
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: all but three of those hunters got actual citations like

1221
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: that this was a legal shoot quote unquote, But no

1222
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: other hunter other outside of those one hundred. I don't

1223
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: know how they got a hundred people together. I would

1224
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: love to interview one of the hundred people, like where

1225
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: did you meet each other? Had this us an online

1226
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: message board thing? Like nobody outside of those one hunters

1227
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: would agree with what they did, and I would want

1228
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: to outright band them from doing what they did. But

1229
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's legal and it's just on ethical.

1230
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: So that brings me back to you know, a lot

1231
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: of hunters will say, like MIKEL. Wodell, like that guy,

1232
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: but he would say, like, you know, if you want

1233
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: to hunt, hunt, hunt the way you want to, you

1234
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: want to do it. While I agree with that, at

1235
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, if there was hunters on

1236
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: his property shooting fifty deer, he probably would think differently.

1237
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: So sorry, it's not but I think that statement from

1238
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: Wadel is easier to make in two thousand and two. Yeah,

1239
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, before Facebook and before Instagram and before Twitter

1240
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, like before social media. Yeah, like,

1241
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: if it's legal, pursue it, do it the way you want. Like,

1242
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: the only people that are ever going to see a

1243
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: photo of you with a deer, however you killed it

1244
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: is some guy at a coffee shop or a cafe

1245
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: or your uncle or whatever. But in the world that

1246
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: we live in, it's you can't go anywhere and do

1247
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: something stupid because I'm he is going to find out. Yeah,

1248
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: I mean, we all know that there was a famous,

1249
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: semi famous hunting couple that Spirit of Bear. I mean

1250
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: I was in camp the days after they were there.

1251
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: And now they went and did that, and not only

1252
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: did they do it legally, but the idea that they

1253
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: promoted it in the way that they did lead to

1254
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: the outlawing of that practice the place where they were hunting, right,

1255
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: And so that's what we're talking about here, Like in general,

1256
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: that can happen. It will happen if you do what

1257
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: they you know, what they did, if you glorify things

1258
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: that we all know someone Yeah, it shouldn't be and

1259
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: we all know that the general population won't agree with

1260
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: in the name of I'll hunt the way I want,

1261
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: You're likely like there's you open up the chance for

1262
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: you to have a negative impact on on hunting and

1263
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: the people around you. You open up that chance and

1264
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: so then you open up with that chance, you also

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01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: open up responsibility um at the same time. So you know,

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01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: social media is is a weird place for many reasons.

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01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: Did I tell you that I did you watch a

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01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: social dilemma? I've been telling every every guest has to

1269
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: hear this from me. Now, what do you think about

1270
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: social dilemma? Ah, you know, a lot of it was

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01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: stuff that I kind of figured, um, simply because of

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01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: how much time I spend on social media, like promoting

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01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: public land tease and conservation and everything that I'm doing

1274
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, photography and whatever. I mean, that's my job.

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01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I started to notice how easily you

1276
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: can manipulate, manipulate your own algorithm, that like of stuff

1277
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: that you see just by like in a single day,

1278
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: you can change the entire feed that you see on

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: your page. And so it made sense to me as

1280
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: they went through, like how the sophisticated that is of

1281
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: like they are pushing things to you specifically. It's not

1282
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: like a blanket like oh this is a hunter. It's

1283
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: like this is a guy that at this tree stand

1284
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: on this day for this long and now we're going

1285
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: to show him more of that or whatever. Um. So yeah,

1286
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: like after watching it, it just really reaffirmed a lot

1287
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 1: of the stuff that I kind of already knew. Um,

1288
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: but it's still scary. I mean, it's a it's Um,

1289
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: it's amazing what they're able to do and Josh and

1290
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: I were talking about and he said the one line

1291
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,759
Speaker 1: that stuck out to him was if you are getting

1292
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: something for free, you are the product. And if you're

1293
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: not paying for the product, you're the product. Right, And

1294
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: I feel like they're you know, and I felt like

1295
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: I felt like the folks presenting that. The criticism I

1296
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: have is like, the attention economies has been there, has

1297
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: been there since the printing press, probably been there before.

1298
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: That has the attention economy been amplified over the over

1299
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: the past two decades. Absolutely, it has been amplified and

1300
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: being commercialized. Absolutely, But that has been that's been how

1301
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: our our our society has moved forward. We innovate, we

1302
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: innovate into commercial enterprises and that, and we need people

1303
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: to know about those things. So we innovate in the

1304
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: attention economy, and those things smashed together, um, and so

1305
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: part of me was like, yes, you're right. Part of

1306
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: me was like, well, this has probably been happening since

1307
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: television was invented, and it's just another evolution of of

1308
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: that attention to conomy. Bill, Right, You know, people, people

1309
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: that are listening to this show. If you don't buy,

1310
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: if you're out there and you really love th HD

1311
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: and you get it for free and you don't buy

1312
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: all the advertisers products immediately and we go off the air.

1313
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: It's your fault. Let's just say, let's say that it's

1314
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: your fault. You know, if you don't have a work

1315
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: sharp and some element and all this other stuff in

1316
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: your in your cabinet right now and we go off

1317
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 1: the air, you're to blame put it putting it right

1318
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: on you there, but but in reality. But I was

1319
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: just saying that to say, like I watched that when

1320
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: I was in COVID Lockdown, and then we had a

1321
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: contest on the show last a couple of weeks where

1322
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: I got real nervous and um, I unfollowed everybody on

1323
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: Instagram except for white Claw. So now I only follow

1324
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: white Claw and that's your th HC page or just

1325
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: my personal page, my personal page. And it was a mistake. Yeah,

1326
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: I know, I got it. It was a little bit rash.

1327
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,600
Speaker 1: And I found that that White claws social media is

1328
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: not that great. They don't they just kind of share

1329
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: pictures of white Claw cans. Yeah, so I don't know

1330
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. Now, I'm gonna have to rebuild

1331
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: my my Instagram page from the ground up. But I

1332
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: got scared, I really did get scared. So overall, what

1333
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: did you think about the documentary though? And like what

1334
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: it means like more so, like you know, we always

1335
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: look at stuff through the lens of hunting, and so

1336
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, like, how do you see it affecting

1337
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: our industry for the positive or negative? Yeah, I mean

1338
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, just like anything else, just

1339
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: like an air fifteen, social media is how do you

1340
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: use it? Just like anything else, you know, it's it

1341
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: is not a it is still taking It is taking

1342
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: advantage of the things that most media has always taken

1343
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: advantage of. You know. It is the reason that news

1344
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: media is sensationalists and polarized is because what's going to

1345
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: capture your attention for the most the most time and

1346
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: what's gonna get you to act, you know, in the

1347
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: most aggressive way. So I do think it is an

1348
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: extension of a new world for us where we literally

1349
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: are acting. You know, when I unfollowed everybody from my

1350
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: Instagram page, I no longer had a view into your

1351
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: life other than if you actually talk to me, And

1352
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: I no longer had a view and a lot of

1353
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 1: other people's lives unless they actually texted me or we

1354
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 1: call they called me where I searched them out and

1355
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 1: so and and one of the things in that documentary

1356
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: that got me was, you know, the idea that swiping

1357
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: down to get more contents like a slot machine, you know,

1358
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: like those types of activities. And when you start to

1359
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: think about your own mind reacting in that way to

1360
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 1: the stimulus of social media, and I've seen this in

1361
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: people that I know, you start to become a little

1362
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: bit weakened to propaganda, a little bit weak into the

1363
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: more negative, um thought processes of that we've all seen. Um.

1364
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: And I was talking to somebody who's in in the

1365
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: fashion industry recently and they were saying I was telling

1366
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: them about a lot of the negative stuff that goes

1367
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: on social media within the hunting world, and they're like, oh, yeah,

1368
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: we got that too. And like you said earlier, it's

1369
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: not hunting specific. That there are trends and counter trends

1370
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: and culture and counterculture influencers and anti influencers. I think

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: this is just the natural reaction to us feeling our

1372
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: way through social media. I mean to just do you know, so,

1373
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess I don't. I used to

1374
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: think I had a good hand alot, and I don't

1375
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: know that I have an end a lot of now,

1376
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: Like I want people to I want to be able

1377
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 1: to share myself with people in a way that's curated

1378
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: and that I choose to and I want to promote

1379
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: the ideas that I think are important. Um I I

1380
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: like this a lot better. I like what we're doing

1381
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: right now a whole lot better than I like social media.

1382
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: But it still has value, it's not meaningless. Um So, yeah,

1383
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Man. I have kids, and I hope

1384
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: that by the time they're old enough to want to

1385
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: use it, that I have a better perspective, quite honestly. Yeah, yeah,

1386
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: I think it's Uh, the next decade is going to

1387
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: be very interesting, just to see where it all goes

1388
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: and and kind of how information within our space gets shared.

1389
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: Um As some more of the stuff gets censored just

1390
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: because of the nature of it. Do you think we

1391
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: don't really have we don't really have leverage to fight

1392
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: against it, because even though it's the most natural thing

1393
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: that we have done for you know, since the beginning

1394
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 1: of time, it's still against the people who are creating

1395
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: these products. It's against a lot of their beliefs. So, uh,

1396
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: we're getting it for free, and so they you know,

1397
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: we don't really have a lot of fight other than

1398
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, which is promoting it in the

1399
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: most positive way possible, and that will just continue to

1400
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: get shared. Yeah, I mean you in some ways that

1401
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: the restrictions are based on, you know, someone who is

1402
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: either ignorant to what we do or anti what we do.

1403
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: And so to the idea that if you showed yourself

1404
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: skin in the deer on Instagram, they may flag it

1405
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: and censor it or however they do that, and so

1406
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: that but that almost that kind of censorship denotes kind

1407
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: of the value systems that are perspectives of of people

1408
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: that don't do what we do. Um and and might

1409
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: be you know, if they are if you were just

1410
01:16:58,439 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: able to sit down and talk to him in in

1411
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: just like we're talking right now in person or via

1412
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: zoom and explain it all in long form. I've never

1413
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: met anybody that got it in that way that didn't

1414
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: immediately pick it up and start having some kind of

1415
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: interest or at least some respect for what it was.

1416
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: If you get it in short little snippets from people

1417
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, or don't know, you can't. There's no choice

1418
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: but to have a work perspective of it, right, I mean,

1419
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: there's absolutely no choice if you only followed Joe Rogan

1420
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: and he was the only source of hunting knowledge that

1421
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: you had, which for a lot of people, that's true.

1422
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we love Joe like he does what he does,

1423
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: but you would have a a my opic perspective on

1424
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: the approach, right like you know, and and you would

1425
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: have a my opic perspective with me too, and with

1426
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: you and anyone else. Um, you know, because I'm not

1427
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: talking about squirrel hunting all that much, you know, very rarely,

1428
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: although I do like to do it. And I never

1429
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: talked about traffic, you know. I know we had a

1430
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: lot of emailers asking about trapping, but we didn't do

1431
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 1: a whole thing with Sam. But yeah, I do think

1432
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: we're in a time where, um, we are being manipulated

1433
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. And I said this couple

1434
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: episodes ago, but I do think it's it's true that

1435
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: we are in a position where a lot of people

1436
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: your age and my age are separated from their family

1437
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 1: unit in a way. I don't know that you're pretty

1438
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: close to your parents where you're at. Aren't you pretty

1439
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: close to your family? Yeah? Um, it's being more It's

1440
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 1: I say this way, it's more common for people our

1441
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: age to be separated from their family units, to move

1442
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: away from home, to go live in a big city,

1443
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: or go live in a place where the jobs and

1444
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: we're plentiful. And so you get separated from that family

1445
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: unit that grounds you and give you the right perspectives

1446
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: and you can respect the one who you are and

1447
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: how you came to be who you are. You get

1448
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: separated from that value system, plunge into a world where

1449
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: you're basically alone, at least in the person you know

1450
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: person to person perspective, and then everything is trying to

1451
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 1: addict you. And the thing about the social the social

1452
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: dilemma that I didn't agree with, it's like not not

1453
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: just social media is trying to addict you. Don't. Don't

1454
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: come at me like you have the monopoly on addicting people,

1455
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: to think, you know, everybody's trying to you know, sugar

1456
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: is addicting, fast food is addicting. So you know, commercial

1457
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: and from a commercial sense, all the wrong things are

1458
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: addicting unless you become addicted to like running marathons or

1459
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, even that can be unhealthy. Even that can

1460
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: be unhealthy. Right, your knees ain't thank you for that.

1461
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure where I was going with all that,

1462
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: but I do I do think that we're in a

1463
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: world where and if you can, the thing you most

1464
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: people have to overcome to be a productive person in

1465
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: society is shirking off or at least having a healthy

1466
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: relationship with the things that mean to addict us, you know.

1467
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: And that's food, and that's that's television, and that's social media.

1468
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: Because the more you spend eating, consuming any of those products,

1469
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: whether they're media or not, the more that you mean

1470
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: to those companies, you know. And that's why you you

1471
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: probably haven't heard much about this program. We've started calling

1472
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: ourselves a cult because I feel number one, cults get

1473
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: a bad name, you know what I'm saying, Like, so

1474
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: you get a bad name. But also cults there needs

1475
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: to be called of people that are free thinking and

1476
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: not trying to addict each other to a certain a

1477
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: certain way of approaching the world. So we're we're called

1478
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: we're a free thinking cult. I like it. One thing

1479
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: I would like to do before we wrap this up

1480
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: at some point is talk like flip this whole thing

1481
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: on its head and talk about some of the positive

1482
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: sides of of course we do on social media, and

1483
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: one of those being the Stamping Forward project again this year,

1484
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: and how we wait, we're gonna it to that. There's

1485
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: two things I want to talk about with you, and

1486
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: we got way off subject. First, we're gonna we're gonna

1487
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: end with Stamping Forward because I think I'll start by saying,

1488
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: I think stamp It Forwards the coolest thing anyone's done

1489
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: in the industry for about five years, uh maybe ten. Second, um, snacks, snacks. Yeah,

1490
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: we're not gonna get to the stad before until we

1491
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: get the snacks order of order of importance. Did you

1492
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,440
Speaker 1: because you have if people don't know, Sam has pioneers,

1493
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: I mean really the Teddy Roosevelt of snacking in the

1494
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: tree stand, I feel, I mean, I appreciate that. That's

1495
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: a big title. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's you know

1496
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm right about that is did you discover anything new

1497
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: this year for snacking or or do you feel oh yeah, no, uh,

1498
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's tough. So the level of snacking

1499
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: that I do, when I do it right, like it

1500
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: takes time and thought and preparation, just like social media. Yeah,

1501
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: I have a lot more ideas for different snacks, and

1502
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: I meant to get there this year. I was going

1503
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 1: to do like several days of just elaborate snacks that

1504
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: involve you know, maybe one, maybe two, maybe three. YETI

1505
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: bottles that like you know, combined stuff. But um, this year,

1506
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: I did hot apple pie in one bottle and then

1507
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 1: ice cream in the other bottle, and I brought two

1508
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: screw in cupholders to the for the tree um and

1509
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: then ate it while I was about twenty up in

1510
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: a tree um. And it was amazing. The best part

1511
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: about that is I dropped a piece of ice cream

1512
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: on the ground while I was scooping it into my gullet,

1513
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: and I had two raccoons come up and eat the

1514
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: eat eat the ice cream at the base of my tree.

1515
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Wild life, if you're bored in the tree stand, Yeah,

1516
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like I suppose I could get that baited

1517
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: for baiting um. But no, I've got a lot of ideas.

1518
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: You know, like it started, let me let me stop

1519
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: you quickly. Did you eat? Did you go in to

1520
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: eat one piece of pie and then go in and

1521
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: get ice cream and put it in your mouth and

1522
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: chew it together. Yeah. Well, so I would do same spoon,

1523
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: which was actually a bottle opener I found in my

1524
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: truck because I forgot to grab a utensil, but pie,

1525
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: then ice cream on top of it. Then eat yeah, pie,

1526
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: ice cream on top, same spoon. Okay, I was pictured

1527
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: you had like somehow two bottles and you were like

1528
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: double dippers. I had no, I had two bottles right, Okay, Okay,

1529
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: it's on it's on the page. Just go take a lot.

1530
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to visualize at same soul. You'll see what

1531
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: that's going on. Okay, continue with your other innovations. So

1532
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: the it started in two thousand and seventeen. The first

1533
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: bottle snack that I took with pizza rolls in a

1534
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: Yetie bottles Pizza Totinos. Yeah not a not a sponsor,

1535
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: but if you guys are looking for I would love

1536
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: for them to be one. But yeah, pizza rolls. And

1537
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: then the next year I did biscuits and gravy of course,

1538
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: um yeah, and then this year with the apple pie

1539
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: and ice cream. It's really if only like Yetie would make,

1540
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: if you could call him up and they would make

1541
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: like shapes from what you needed. Yeah, the problem is,

1542
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: um so I'm probably gonna get in trouble from Yetti's lawyers,

1543
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: but you really don't want to. They told me you

1544
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: don't want to put hot food, or at least the

1545
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: lawyer said that you don't want to put hot food

1546
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: in the bottles because if you forgot it, it could

1547
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: ferment and rot and cause like an explosive problem if

1548
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 1: you leave the food in the bottle. Yeah, it definitely does,

1549
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 1: because yeah, it creates like some pressure and then exploiting pizza.

1550
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: But you like you would have if they had like

1551
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: a ten inch pizza Yettie. Oh yeah, that would open up, yeah,

1552
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: and then go back down and then you would you

1553
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: could just you know, strap the pizza in so it

1554
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: didn't flip over. Yeah, that'd be great. Okay, mark that down.

1555
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: Brian Barsdale is one of the Eddy's main lawyer guys.

1556
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: Tell him to get on that. Yeah, Brian, if you're listening,

1557
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: get on it. But we need this, we need you know.

1558
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: I probably what I probably need to do is uh

1559
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: find you know, do like a week at the end

1560
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: of October where it's not like the full rut where

1561
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm not like getting up as quite as early, and

1562
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: um where I have a slightly more time to like

1563
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: prepare the snacks because I've got a whole list of

1564
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: ideas put together for for this whole thing, so good good,

1565
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: Well yeah, hashtag is never go snackless. It's again, I

1566
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: mean you could be I I would be maybe I'm

1567
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: like the Gifford pin Show of of snacks, but you're

1568
01:25:55,160 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: definitely Teddy Roosevelt. Definitely. Um, all right, snap a forward?

1569
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: You know, is they like m hm, I answered this way?

1570
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: Is there any other conservation program like stamp it Forward?

1571
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: Not that I know of the answer is no, absolutely not.

1572
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: Everyone else is behind the curve. That's the answer that

1573
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: I'll give them your bath. There's hundreds of millions of

1574
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: dollars and really smart people coming up with you know

1575
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: that are getting paid to come up with a good

1576
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: ideas for conservation. Yet you are three doesn't hold a

1577
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: candle to stamp it forward. And so go ahead, just

1578
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: tell everybody what the update is on Stamping Forward and

1579
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 1: give them a quick run down case they don't know

1580
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Yeah, so stamp it Forward is

1581
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: a way to kind of turn one fundraiser into another.

1582
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: But The way it works is we ask people and

1583
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: companies to directly donate money to us um the you

1584
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 1: know whatever, if they want to write a check or

1585
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 1: PayPal or Venmo or whatever. But with every single dollar

1586
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: we receive, we buy Federal Duck stamps. And so you

1587
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: know this year, UM, last year we did just over

1588
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: a thousand stamps raised dollars, and this year where we

1589
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: had a couple of donations coming the last few days

1590
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: actually UM, and so we're at like and seventy stamps total,

1591
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: and so uh right up there, let's back off a

1592
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: second like that and let people know how amazing this is.

1593
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: People are just giving you money. You're not giving them

1594
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: anything in return, not nope. So the donation is just

1595
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: that it is a direct shot to conservation. UM. We

1596
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: don't keep the money we buy stamps with it, We're not,

1597
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,919
Speaker 1: we don't. If people do a donation through the website,

1598
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: we are giving them a stamp it Forward sticker as

1599
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: like a commemoration for their donation. And so we eat

1600
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: the you know, we eat the cost on the shipping

1601
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: and the sticker UM as a way for them to

1602
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,520
Speaker 1: feel or like just to give them something to commemorate

1603
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: their donation, but yeah, other than that, we're not giving

1604
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: anything in return for that initial donation. And then once

1605
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: we pool up, it's we typically run the initial launch

1606
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: for two or three weeks where we're trying to raise

1607
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: as much money as possible, and then we always do

1608
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: the initial upfront by So this year we bought we

1609
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: took money out of our conservation fund and we bought

1610
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: two hundred duck stamps up front, so five thousand dollars.

1611
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: And then since then we have raised basically another thirty

1612
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars this year that has come in um

1613
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: to buy duck stamps. And then what we do on

1614
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: the back end is we give a federal duck stamp

1615
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: away with every single item we sell on our website.

1616
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 1: And what that does is five dollars from every item

1617
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: we sell goes back to Conservation anyway, So we just

1618
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 1: continue to roll that into the program and raise additional

1619
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: funds for the whole thing. So we're right in that

1620
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 1: forty dollar range this year for simple just for duck stamps. Yeah,

1621
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: and so you're thinking about like the idea of the

1622
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: duck stam itself, you are paying money just now, let's

1623
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: just get this one clear the duck stamp is a

1624
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: requirement hunt waterfowl. Um. So it's a requirement, but that

1625
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: money goes back into the resource and the habitat and

1626
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: wildlife refugees across the country in many different ways. So

1627
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: that's the that's the spirit of the of the duck

1628
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: stamp anyway. But most people are getting something when they give, right,

1629
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 1: they give twenty five bucks, they get a stamp, they

1630
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: get the privilege of hunting waterfowl. You know, whether it's

1631
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: a state or federal stamp, mostly federal stamp in this case. Yep. Um,

1632
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: So we have you have that set up. But in

1633
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: what what you've done is raise awareness and convince people

1634
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: just to give money, to give a stranger a duck

1635
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: stamp and hope, hope to educate them on this this

1636
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: idea that this happens in hunting. Just by the mechanism

1637
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: of doing it, you are are taking part in giving

1638
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: something back just by by duck hunting yourself. Yeah, and uh,

1639
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: for anybody that doesn't know. So if if you're foler,

1640
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: you have to purchase the stamp, but you don't have

1641
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: to be a water fowler to get a stamp. So

1642
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 1: anyone can buy one and of the purchase price go

1643
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: is by law has to be funneled into wetland purchase

1644
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: conservation easements, habitat improvement, And not only does that help

1645
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,839
Speaker 1: migratory bird species, but it's good for soil erosion, flooding,

1646
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: water quality, air quality, um and helps seven species overall

1647
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: through conserving wetlands. So it's also a big part of

1648
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: the reason that we have a national Refuge system. And

1649
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: the stamp itself is on the refuges that require like

1650
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 1: a pass to get in. The duck stamp allows you

1651
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 1: to go visit the national wild It's a pass like

1652
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: how many people have paid to get into the thing

1653
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 1: and while in their pocket was a free pass, you know,

1654
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 1: and you think of likes of every duck stamp goes

1655
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 1: directly into something they called the Migratory Bird Conservation Fund, right,

1656
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: and that that going to help them purchase or lease

1657
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 1: spots where waterfowl live, wetlands, wildlife habits at and then

1658
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: that that stuff goes into the National Refuge system and

1659
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 1: then we get to access to those things and see

1660
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: what prime habitat is and and oftentimes hunt and and

1661
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: recreate in those areas. Man And this has been going

1662
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: on correctly. You you probably know more like the actual

1663
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: numbers here. This isn't it's a nineteen thirty four programmer's

1664
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: Franklin D. Roosevelt. It was originally called I should pull

1665
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: us up, Jamie, pull us up us all the top

1666
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 1: of my head so I might get some of it wrong.

1667
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Migratory bird hunting stamp act translated to the duck stamp

1668
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 1: act Um President Roosevelt, you know, just like everything else

1669
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: during that time, it was a time of reformation and

1670
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: the habitat waterfowl species were being killed at market and

1671
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: their habitat was being destroyed across the country. And a

1672
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 1: big part of the reason that they did it was

1673
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 1: not solely to protect waterfowl. And although the market hunting,

1674
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: like the you know, that was a big chunk of

1675
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: it, it it was also um in the in North America,

1676
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: birds in general were being killed at mass to collect

1677
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: feathers for decorative hats and um and apparel basically, And

1678
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: so it was a way to protect yes, you know,

1679
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: migratory birds, but everything else at the same time. Yeah,

1680
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: And there's stamp collectors, and there's are there's people that

1681
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: compete each year to get there's uh, man, what's that

1682
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: million dollar duck is a documentary if you want to

1683
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: learn about how people compete to get their art on there.

1684
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: That's another cultural thing about the duck stamps. It's interesting,

1685
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 1: it's been. It's been really cool, you know, through this

1686
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: whole program, like have actually got to know some of

1687
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: the artists us. One artist, she was actually the Junior

1688
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: duck Stamp Junior duck Stamp winner a few years back,

1689
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: Rebecca Knight is her name, Amazing Artists. So she's been

1690
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 1: it's been cool. She's been sending message is about the

1691
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: program and promoting it. Got to have a you know,

1692
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: recorded message from the winner of last year's stamp. Um

1693
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: My wife's uh grad school roommate, her uncle's are the

1694
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:16,719
Speaker 1: most winning ist duck stamp artists in history. The Houtman's there,

1695
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: they're in that documentary as well. Yeah, and so it's

1696
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 1: just been really cool too kind of have all these

1697
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: things happen from doing this program and raising money for

1698
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: for the program. Um, yeah, yeah, it's been. It's been cool. Yeah,

1699
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's if you would, you know, if

1700
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: you would go to purchase your license to get a

1701
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: duck stamp, and I'll have you tell people you know

1702
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 1: where they can buy duct stamps and things like that,

1703
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: that you may be the foremost expert in where to

1704
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: buy duck stamps at this point. Um, you know this

1705
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 1: is I actually pulled up the field the gov site

1706
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 1: on this and get some real numbers. I wasn't wrong

1707
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: about some of those other numbers, I said, So I'm

1708
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 1: glad I have that I was right about that. So

1709
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: they say, since dred million dollars has gone into the

1710
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,799
Speaker 1: fund to protect more than five point seven million acres

1711
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 1: of habitat, and how many people along the way hunters

1712
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: in our community purchased a stamp helped fund that land

1713
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: acquisition and protection without even knowing they were doing it.

1714
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 1: They put money towards one of the most successful conservation

1715
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: programs in our country without even though and they were

1716
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 1: doing it. That's a beautiful crime that they did not

1717
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: know that. I'm glad that they made those purchases. And

1718
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad that all of the reasons they went hunting

1719
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: were sufficient enough to get them to put bucks down

1720
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 1: to to go and participate. But you know what you're

1721
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 1: talking about in the beginning of this show is exactly

1722
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: like this is this this thing that Sam's doing is

1723
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 1: like the promotion of the parallel knowledge track that you

1724
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,680
Speaker 1: have to go on to justify this money that we

1725
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: are required to spend to go and take part in

1726
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: this in this uh pursuit. So it's it's a it's

1727
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: a wonderful circle. And you know, something like this ensure

1728
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 1: is that how many ever people even hear about it,

1729
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: kind of can complete that circle in their own minds

1730
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: and they know a little bit more. So I'm sure

1731
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: you I'm sure you've had lots of people reach out

1732
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: and tell you exactly that. I'm sure. Yeah, it's been

1733
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: it's been really cool. Um, just how many people that

1734
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: have learned about the program to sip in like beyond

1735
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 1: fired up about the fact that we're doing it. And

1736
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: what's been really fun this year is so we added

1737
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 1: last year, um, we didn't have it on the website

1738
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: a way to donate, and we added that to the

1739
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 1: website this year. And what we've seen people do is

1740
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: they'll go to our website and they know they're going

1741
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 1: to get a stamp with a shirt or a hoodie,

1742
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 1: year O hat or whatever that they order. Um, but

1743
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: they'll buy a donation and a shirt and so it's

1744
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: like they're like, oh, I'm gonna I'll double down, Like

1745
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: all I'll make a donation so the next guy can

1746
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: also get a stamp. And the more that that happens,

1747
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: the more we can keep giving out, the more money

1748
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: we raise, the more people get to pay it forward,

1749
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: keep on keeping on. Yeah, that's the pay forward. I

1750
01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: mean there's other things now I'm reading this website that's

1751
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:04,799
Speaker 1: you know, they have the Junior duck Stamp program um,

1752
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 1: in which youngsters get to go and try to design

1753
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: or draw a duck stamp themselves their state level competitions. Um,

1754
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: there's there's so many things. And I've actually talked to

1755
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: Suzanne Fellows over there, who runs the federal programs and

1756
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,400
Speaker 1: as a big part of this, and at some point

1757
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and have her on the show, we may have to

1758
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,879
Speaker 1: crank that back up. But there's so many things. Obviously,

1759
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 1: with all these conservation programs, you know, we're able to

1760
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: tout kind of Pittman Robertson is a good example of, oh,

1761
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: we're touting what comes from these funds or where these

1762
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: funds go. But once they get into the government and

1763
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 1: get into those systems, there's a lot of things that

1764
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: happened and there's a lot of people whose jobs are

1765
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: to propagate and promote and make sure these things run smoothly.

1766
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Um And and there's just another example of how all

1767
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: this marries up into something you know, bigger than all

1768
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: of us, um and something we ought to protect and

1769
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: fight to protect. So yep, absolutely, well, I think we're

1770
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: all glad. And look, I probably said this before about

1771
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: what you do, but um, I mean there's conservation groups,

1772
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: not to name any that there's they employed dozens of people,

1773
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 1: hundreds of people. They have they be wanting to have

1774
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: an impact like you've had just with you and your brother,

1775
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: and trying to do what you've done with public anteas

1776
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: and across the board. So I think it's a you know,

1777
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: a substantial impact on on our generation. You know, like

1778
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 1: you and I are same, pretty much the same age

1779
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 1: and knowing each other for a while. And I'm sure

1780
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about this and hunting together, hopefully till

1781
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 1: we're old dudes. And looking back, I remember when YE

1782
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: looked at some point when we're not hiking so far

1783
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,679
Speaker 1: away from the truck all the time. Yeah, hopefully, hopefully

1784
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: we're still hunting together at that Our kids will be

1785
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: like the packing deer out for us. Yeah, we're like,

1786
01:37:55,720 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 1: I remember white claw, Dad, what's white claws? I'm already

1787
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 1: six white claws in well good man. What can people do?

1788
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: You know, obviously we've talked about it, but give people

1789
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: the direct things they can do for stamp it for

1790
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: because again, I mean this is a you know, it's

1791
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: the holidays coming up here, so you know, yeah, so

1792
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: uh yeah, at this point in time, you know, like

1793
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,599
Speaker 1: people can We're still accepting donations, um if people want,

1794
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: but it's you know, it's towards the end of the year,

1795
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: so I understand starting to wind down a little bit,

1796
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: but we've got big plans for one. But if people

1797
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 1: still want to donate, they can donate directly on the website,

1798
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: which is public land tease dot com, or PayPal which

1799
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 1: is public land teas at gmail dot com, or my

1800
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 1: venmo which is just at sam sohol um and I can.

1801
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: We have a whole page dedicated to the Stamp It

1802
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 1: Forward project on our website. People can learn more about that,

1803
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: which is public land Tease forward slash or dot com

1804
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: forward slash stamping Forward Um. And yeah, I mean if

1805
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: if if people really want to help, they can donate

1806
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 1: or just go to our website, pick up a shirt, hoodie,

1807
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: a hat, and you're gonna get a free duck stamp

1808
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: with every item, and then just give that to somebody

1809
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: or you know, you can certainly use it to go hunting,

1810
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:09,720
Speaker 1: but you probably at this point in the season you

1811
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: might already have one. Give it to somebody, Explain what

1812
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: it means, Explain where that money goes, and educate somebody

1813
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: else on how important these programs are. Because the more

1814
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: people that are out there doing that, like, we can

1815
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,719
Speaker 1: just continue to have this spread and grow this idea

1816
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: that what we're doing is it's all really beneficial to everyone. Yeah,

1817
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:34,759
Speaker 1: and then you know, always in times, in divided times

1818
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 1: and times that we're supposed to not get along based

1819
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 1: on our color skin or where we live, or well

1820
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: who we voted for, a tiny little stamp with a

1821
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 1: duck on it can can help you out, can help

1822
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: you have a common find common ground with folks. Just

1823
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of a conservation bridge, right, there's a real,

1824
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 1: a very needed bridge. And in a good beat, and

1825
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 1: I would just say this, we do one thing that

1826
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: we would have been cool with you maybe in the

1827
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 1: in the future saying to do because you know, you

1828
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: do a lot of you do all the stuff on

1829
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 1: your own, you're an entrepreneur. Um. There's a lot of

1830
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: people that right into our show and say, you know,

1831
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: I've got a journalism degree, or I've got a communications degree,

1832
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 1: or I'm super passionate about hunting and i want to

1833
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:25,440
Speaker 1: start this, or that here's an idea that I have. Um,

1834
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, don't you don't all have to message Sam

1835
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 1: for advice, but just watch what he does, um, because

1836
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: it's like what can one guy in a Venmo account

1837
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 1: and an idea pull off? It's you know, surprisingly, it's

1838
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: amazing how how well this all took off, and so

1839
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: just super thankful that everybody was willing to get on

1840
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 1: board with it. But yeah, I mean, I think best advice. Sure,

1841
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: it's been definitely sent me a message. I try to

1842
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 1: do my best to respond to absolutely everybody that reaches

1843
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: out to me, which I know for a fact he

1844
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:01,759
Speaker 1: sends American flag emojis to everybody. Yeah it's just three

1845
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: rock on you know. Yeah. Um, but no, yeah, send

1846
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: me a message if you have ideas or questions or whatever.

1847
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,600
Speaker 1: But if you if you really have an idea and

1848
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: you're really if you're passionate about something. You can send

1849
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 1: me a message and I'll give you this, you know,

1850
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: give you an answer of what I think, but it

1851
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: all comes out. And just try to do that idea.

1852
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean you can't. You just have to go for it. Um,

1853
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 1: if you want to try to make something happen, that's

1854
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: the best advice I can give. And it's terrifying um

1855
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: to do that. And I know, but it's uh, either

1856
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: you'll fall flat on your face and then you can

1857
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: do the next thing, or to work out swimmingly. So

1858
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: that's just the good thing about the hunting community is

1859
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 1: it's big enough to support you and small enough to care.

1860
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: It's a nice blend of there's enough people that will

1861
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 1: come along, right, there's enough people that will come along

1862
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: to to make it worth your while. But it's not

1863
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 1: so big that you'll never get any traction, you know,

1864
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 1: you know, So that's it's a good place to be.

1865
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 1: So well, Sam, up, I'm gonna I need to get

1866
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: a refill amdelo and continue a happy hour, but I'm

1867
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 1: gonna let you go. What's your next You got any

1868
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: duck hunt's coming up here? Actually got a pheasant hunt

1869
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 1: coming up next week? Um, I get to go back

1870
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 1: to where I was born. I get to go back

1871
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: to Aberdeen, South Dakota. And uh, I'm doing a hunt

1872
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: with the Aberdeen Pheasant Coalition. And they do a pretty

1873
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:25,640
Speaker 1: cool thing where they, um say, there's a farmer that

1874
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 1: is contemplating putting his land into walking hunting area. Well,

1875
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 1: the Aberdeen Pheasant Coalition has gone to companies within the

1876
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: community and asked for donations um to put into a pot.

1877
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 1: And then they'll go to those farmers and say, hey,

1878
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: if you put your land into walking, will sweeten the

1879
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: pot with an extra two or three or four bucks

1880
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: an acre. And it's just enough to push those people

1881
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 1: over the top, and it brings more hunters to the

1882
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 1: community and more money into the system. And last year

1883
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: was the first year they did it, and they opened

1884
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 1: up four thousand acres of public for pheasant hunting last year.

1885
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool program. So we're gonna go chase

1886
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 1: public land roosters around for a few days and and uh,

1887
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 1: that's the next trip. And then I think after that,

1888
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 1: the next big trip is going to be January, Arizona

1889
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Couz Deer. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sorry I've had

1890
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: to cancel few trips because the old COVID's here. But

1891
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think about Cus Deer is like, yep,

1892
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: something I might have to get into. Absolutely all right, dude, Well,

1893
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 1: thank you for everything, is always and check Sam out

1894
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: on that Sam so Holding, be inspired to do something cool, bastard.

1895
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on, man, I really appreciate it.

1896
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Thanks as always. All right, brother, that's it. That's all

1897
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 1: another episode in the books. Thank you too, Forward of

1898
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,760
Speaker 1: the Van Fawsen of the Maryland Van Fawsen's and thank

1899
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 1: you to Sam Sohold of the public Land Bus and

1900
01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:00,600
Speaker 1: of the stamp at Forward project. Make sure you go

1901
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 1: and follow him. As we were just talking about at

1902
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:06,799
Speaker 1: Sam so Hold one of the best in the industry

1903
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 1: to do it. So you're gonna see a lot of

1904
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: cool ship over there. And thank you to Luke and

1905
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: Lisa Reeves for being a part of the program, part

1906
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 1: of the cult and getting married. Congratulation once again. As

1907
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: we get into the holiday season, I'm still feeling very

1908
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: warm about all the activities around the the th HC

1909
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: called Phil. Are you're feeling good over there, Bud, Yes,

1910
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 1: I I I I love this time of year. I uh,

1911
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 1: we've our houses all decked out, got tree, got presents

1912
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 1: under the tree, there's garland everywhere. Oh yeah, there's there.

1913
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 1: I got. I got several different candles just for this season.

1914
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: All right? Oh yeah, I won't ask Well, wait till

1915
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 1: our Christmas episode to talk about that. We don't want to.

1916
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 1: We don't want to blow that little suspense never heard

1917
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 1: of anybody. You mean, what candles does Phil have in

1918
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 1: his house? Wow, that's gonna be a great segment right

1919
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: into TC to me dot com? What Senate candles does

1920
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:02,599
Speaker 1: Phil having his house? What do you think? Um? A lot,

1921
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 1: a lot, but a lot going on in the future here.

1922
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm working on the best of twenty twenty right now. Um,

1923
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a bit of an ironic term anyway,

1924
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 1: because what is the best of a shitty year? But man,

1925
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 1: we got a lot of really cool stuff that we

1926
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 1: did this year. A lot of fun was had, Barry

1927
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: Gilbert was hugged, a lot of warmth in our hearts

1928
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: this holiday season. Before we go, We're gonna give you

1929
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 1: guys a little back end, not so sharp moment, play

1930
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 1: the jingle Phil sharp not so sharp moment, so you

1931
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 1: don't have to Yeah, all right, this one comes from

1932
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 1: Eric Glaze and Eric Glaze says, He says. Tonight, as

1933
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 1: I finished tidying up the house and completing a few

1934
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: out of projects, I went out to the shop to

1935
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: retrieve a string trimmer and some parts that a friend

1936
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: had asked to borrow. I flipped on the lights and

1937
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 1: began gathering things up. This this seems like a night

1938
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: before Christmas. It seems like a poem that he's written

1939
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 1: for us was the night before. But we don't know

1940
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 1: what yet. Yeah, I just yeah, let me wait, wake

1941
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 1: me up when the dancing sugar plums come in. That's right.

1942
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,560
Speaker 1: The small eight point buck that I had shot at

1943
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 1: the beginning of last week had been aging hanging neck

1944
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 1: down in the garage. Noticing that the neighbor's dog must

1945
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 1: have gotten loose and been gnawing on the neck, I

1946
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 1: had hoisted it higher towards the rafters. Earlier in the week.

1947
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 1: The head was perched upright in a five gallon bucket nearby,

1948
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 1: with the next side dangling inside the bucket. So you

1949
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 1: need a picture of this. Fill. He has cut the

1950
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,640
Speaker 1: head off the deer, put it in a bucket, and

1951
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 1: its body hung from the rafters. Yeah, like it's like like,

1952
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 1: like a stocking by the chimney, with care, with care,

1953
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: I grabbed the trimmer from off the wall and noticed

1954
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:58,600
Speaker 1: the antler's move. I shook my head and rubbed my

1955
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 1: eyes and stared nothing. I looked back down at the trimmer.

1956
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 1: Then the antlers and long sunken eyes turned seemingly to

1957
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 1: stare directly at me. I wasn't crazy, or was I?

1958
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: I watched as the antlers slowly rocked back and forth

1959
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 1: and heard the gentle scratching in the bucket. I watched

1960
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:25,640
Speaker 1: for a minute or two until I realized that a

1961
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 1: cat must have snuck in for a little snack. Black tail,

1962
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 1: coarse hair, two course, Oh shit, oh shit. For the

1963
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 1: next half hour or so, I tried to coax a

1964
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: skunk out of the bucket and out of the shop

1965
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: that housed the pile of prime twelve day age, venison

1966
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: and a TV, tractors, tools, bikes, my bow, everything important

1967
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 1: to me. I threw rocks and tossed chunks of scrap

1968
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 1: wood toward a large metal garbage can in the shop,

1969
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 1: hoping to draw him into my spotlight and into the

1970
01:47:57,160 --> 01:48:00,040
Speaker 1: reach of my twelve gage. Several times he emerged in

1971
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 1: the bucket to check on the commotion, but he remained

1972
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: near his claim. Finally, I gave up, realized that he

1973
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 1: was unlikely to step into a clear path for me

1974
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: to shoot him without spooking him into spring. I slowly

1975
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 1: and quietly grabbed the items I had previously dropped and

1976
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:18,639
Speaker 1: looked back to the house. I had one more little

1977
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:22,600
Speaker 1: piece to grab, and I killed the lights, which was

1978
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 1: a stingy and ultimately foolish move. What happens next, Phil,

1979
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 1: It didn't go great, not a shock, because this is

1980
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 1: not so sure moments. It never goes great. The OsO

1981
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 1: familiar stank stung my nostrils, as a pang of defeat

1982
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: stung my pride. He raised his tail, and I chucked

1983
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,799
Speaker 1: mine and retreated as I should have in the beginning,

1984
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: I had been sprayed. At this point is when I thought,

1985
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 1: rest in peace to Gretcho Barks, with the blackmouth curve

1986
01:48:53,800 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: that patrolled these parts the less great show. Barks is

1987
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 1: the best dog name ever in the history of dog names.

1988
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, Gratcha Barks. Anyway, he said she would

1989
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,760
Speaker 1: have never let this stand. She averaged about three to

1990
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: four skunkings a year right up until she had to

1991
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,599
Speaker 1: be put down this fall. Needless to say, we had

1992
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 1: several quarts of peroxide and boxes of baking soda on hand,

1993
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: missing my dog and even missing our frequency skunking dates

1994
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 1: usually after midnight and well blow freezing. As I tried

1995
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 1: to explain why you don't mess with skunk damage control

1996
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 1: and assessment time tomorrow morning to see how my dear fared.

1997
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 1: Time to sleep off this not so sharp moment. Play

1998
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 1: that jingle, Phil sharp, not so sharp moment, so you

1999
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 1: don't have to ye, thank you, Eric Laze. But that

2000
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 1: was a that was a great one. It really was

2001
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 1: like towards the night before the skunking. Yeah, that was

2002
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 1: that was good. At first I thought if it was

2003
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a ghost story. We're talking about those those

2004
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 1: antlers moving around. I was like, oh, moment, the animals

2005
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 1: coming back to life to seek revenge in tense moment. Yeah. No.

2006
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,559
Speaker 1: A couple of months ago, our our cat came back

2007
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: at two in the morning, um covered, covered in the stank. Uh.

2008
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess meat Loaf because Kevin would never do

2009
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 1: that such a thing. Wow, you know my cat so

2010
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,680
Speaker 1: well and you've never met them. You're right. It was

2011
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 1: meat Loaf who was incredibly long haired, which made the

2012
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 1: ordeal even more fun. But it's it's a lot of

2013
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 1: fun to make those like two am Walmart trips and

2014
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 1: to get by like some peroxide. Um anyway, condolences, Um,

2015
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 1: that's sounds like a sounds like a rough a rough night.

2016
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 1: Rest in Peach, Gretio barks. Gretio barks, just the best,

2017
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: rest in peace to that blackmouth current. Well, Eric, you

2018
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: are going to get yourself a work sharp field sharpener

2019
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: from our friends at work Sharp. Thank you for sponsoring

2020
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: this here program. Please support our sponsors and go do

2021
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 1: some commerce with them, Go follow them, go watch their content.

2022
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: It really helps this show out and keeps us going

2023
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: into the future. And there's a little video of yours

2024
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,879
Speaker 1: truly over there sharpening knives on their YouTube page currently.

2025
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 1: So if you want to be you know, I know,

2026
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm much better in the audio medium, I know.

2027
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: But if you want to see me sharpened a knife

2028
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: in my garage, have at it. I'm sure it'll be

2029
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 1: exciting at some level. Eric, enjoy that field sharpener, man,

2030
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 1: and and uh watch out for zombie Deere. Rest in Peach,

2031
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 1: great show, Barks. All right, we will see you next

2032
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:49,600
Speaker 1: week here on the Hunting Collective, say bye Phil, goodbye

2033
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, because I can't go a week without doing run,

2034
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 1: drinking out wrong, I'm singing wrong, drinking in Heaven. M.