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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Joshua P. Warren is an investigator who pioneers the amazing

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Speaker 2: relationship between the mind, energy, matter, and strange phenomena like ghosts, UFOs, esp, monsters,

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Speaker 2: and more. Over thirty years, Joshua has published over twenty books,

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Speaker 2: appeared on dozens of TV channels, and conducted lab experiments

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Speaker 2: that earned him the cover of a science journal. He

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Speaker 2: invents metaphysical tools that have improved thousands of lives around

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Speaker 2: the world, and to learn more about them, please visit

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Speaker 2: his main website, Joshuapwarren dot com and his brand new

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Speaker 2: site to produce personalized sigils with your name using the

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Speaker 2: parasimatics system that he created, the sigil lab dot com.

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Speaker 2: The sigil lab dot com. He lives in Las Vegas

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Speaker 2: and he hosts the weekly show Strange Things on the

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Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. Joshua, Welcome back

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Speaker 2: to Coast to Coast. How are you, Damn?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. It's so nice to be with you. Richard.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you and you were kind enough to

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Speaker 2: send me a and the mighty Aphrodite My lovely Greek bride,

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Speaker 2: our own personal unique sigils, and I've got mine up

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Speaker 2: on the I've got them both up on my screen

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Speaker 2: right now, and I also have them on my phone

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Speaker 2: so that I can if I go down to the

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Speaker 2: convenience store and buy a lottery ticket. I look at them,

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Speaker 2: and mine looks like a kind of a crazy weather vein.

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Speaker 2: And the mighty aphrodities is this beautiful kind of a

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Speaker 2: star burst. Inside there's this crescent moon, and above the

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Speaker 2: crescent moon is a pinwheel. Very elaborate. They really are

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Speaker 2: truly works of art. But first of all, let's I

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Speaker 2: like to start with definitions. I mentioned a sigil. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of a magical symbol, but there's more to it

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Speaker 2: than that, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's the essence, of course, but gosh,

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Speaker 3: I mean the history of sigils, it goes back to

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Speaker 3: the beginning of really civilization. You know. These magical symbols

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Speaker 3: are things that have always been sort of an antenna

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Speaker 3: for spiritual power, for spiritual energy, whether we're talking about

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Speaker 3: the ancient Egyptian anc or some of the ancient Coptic

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Speaker 3: Christian crosses, or the Seal of Solomon which was later

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Speaker 3: adapted into the Star of David. I mean, thousands of

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Speaker 3: years ago people had figured out that certain types of

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Speaker 3: vibrations and energies could be sort of condensed down into

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Speaker 3: almost something like a logo. And even if you don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily know what it is supposed to symbolize, some of

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Speaker 3: these designs, they just seem to reqube on a subconscious level.

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Speaker 3: So it transcends language. It's almost like music in that way,

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Speaker 3: and it seems to affect you simply by being in

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Speaker 3: the presence of the sigil, by simply looking at it,

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Speaker 3: by exposing yourself to it. And of course in the

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Speaker 3: Middle Ages, constructing sigils became even more of a science,

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Speaker 3: and so the word sigil is based on the Latin

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Speaker 3: word sigilum, which means simply to seal. And so these

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Speaker 3: types of sigils have been used for manifestation purposes from

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Speaker 3: the very beginning. However, about at least six years ago,

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Speaker 3: I started thinking about a new way of creating sigils,

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Speaker 3: something that wasn't just dependent on the human imagination, but

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Speaker 3: would also incorporate more of an expression from Mother Nature.

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Speaker 3: And so that is how I came up with parasigmatics,

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Speaker 3: and that is why when the parasigmatic system creates a sigil,

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Speaker 3: it's a surprise for everyone because we're looking at something

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Speaker 2: All right, So there's the other definition we need now,

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Speaker 2: cimatics I understand a little bit of and that is

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Speaker 2: basically patterns that are created through sound waves. So if

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Speaker 2: find granular sand, and then you vibrate maybe with sound

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, And that is exactly what a German scientist

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Speaker 3: He was also a musician, and he that when these

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Speaker 4: dot com. And when you go there, I told everybody

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Speaker 3: Whatever, and just start looking at it throughout the day

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Speaker 3: and let me know if anything interesting happens. Well, let

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Speaker 3: me tell you, Richard, the stories I started getting from people.

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Speaker 4: Telling me about these amazing synchronistic things that happened over

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm telling you, hundreds and hundreds of them

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Speaker 3: And so over the years, I continued experimenting with this

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Speaker 3: taking request to make these personalized parasigmatics sigils using your name.

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Speaker 2: And at the uh in the carousel at Coast to

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Speaker 3: And we see these kinds of things that are so weird,

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Speaker 2: And what I mean, I have my sigil and the

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Speaker 2: mighty effort that he has her sigil. Now we have

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now. How else, I mean,

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Speaker 3: something about your identity into an abstract symbol, that it

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Speaker 3: somehow enhances your bio energy field. And it only good

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