Speaker 1: Like on the world you played to win the game?
Speaker 1: Jet Touchdown. Your listening to the Official Jets podcast Jets
Speaker 1: three sixty Production, Jets Nation. What's going on? Ethan Greenberg
Speaker 1: and Eric Allen back in studio for the Official Jets Podcast.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of studio for a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: You and I are back in studio for the game preview.
Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? Alright, Happy December to you, Greens? Oh? Wow, yeah, December.
Speaker 1: It's coming in real, real hot, and it's like fifty
Speaker 1: plus out. It's crazy. It's not December weather. I haven't
Speaker 1: checked the forecast for Sunday. Is the Jets finish up
Speaker 1: in their two game homestand against Kansas City Chiefs. That's
Speaker 1: TVD because I haven't checked it either. But the Jets
Speaker 1: right now another tough loss against the Panthers e A.
Speaker 1: What's your biggest takeaway from Sunday's game. No, it's it's
Speaker 1: tough because the Jets are doing a lot of good things.
Speaker 1: You know, if we think about what they did defensively,
Speaker 1: five past defenses and all. I thought both Morris Clayborne
Speaker 1: and Buster Screen were extremely effective on the outside. I
Speaker 1: liked a lot of what Todd Bulls and Casey Rodgers
Speaker 1: did in terms of pressure packages. When you hold Carolina,
Speaker 1: a team those ranked number one in the National Football
Speaker 1: League in terms of third down efficiency, to just three
Speaker 1: or fourteen, you're doing a lot of things right. Conversely,
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, your two receivers
Speaker 1: go over a hundred yards Robbie Anderson. Wow, fantastic first
Speaker 1: touchdown that got the Jets back into the game. Josh
Speaker 1: mccount showing the confidence in the second year receiver throwing
Speaker 1: in a double coverage as a key point of the game.
Speaker 1: The Jets are down twelve three and then make a
Speaker 1: twelve ten there and they ultimately take the lead on
Speaker 1: Robbie's second touchdown in the third quarter. But Green's much
Speaker 1: like the Atlanta game. Game, Jet's very close, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: not able to finish. And I think it was a
Speaker 1: very dejected locker room that we were both in on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail right on the head,
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of good things that Jets
Speaker 1: fans can take away from this game. Josh McCown through
Speaker 1: for three hundred fifty four yards and that's the second
Speaker 1: time this season he's eclipsed the three hundred yard mark.
Speaker 1: He threw for three touchdowns. He talked about Robby Anderson.
Speaker 1: I mean Cam Newton only through for a hundred sixty
Speaker 1: eight yards, completed fifty of his passes. But conversely is
Speaker 1: that Devin Funchius, the Panthers wide receiver, went for over
Speaker 1: a hundred yards. And so it is kind of a
Speaker 1: different game in that sense because we've heard so much
Speaker 1: about finishing, climbing over the hump, and is one of
Speaker 1: those games and I think dejected is the perfect word
Speaker 1: for it. So moving on to the chief This Chiefs team,
Speaker 1: you talked about a desperate team clawing for a victory.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone fits the bill more
Speaker 1: than the Kansas City Chiefs because they're on a five
Speaker 1: at a six slide, but they still at it off
Speaker 1: the season smoking hot. Yeah, both teams actually during this
Speaker 1: contest with five losses in their last six games. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs opening night at Gillette Stadium, I think they had
Speaker 1: more than total yards of offense. Kareem Hunt with a
Speaker 1: great introduction in the National Football League, Tyreek Kill, Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 1: Alex Smith started the season. I think he had what
Speaker 1: sixteen touchdowns zero interceptions or eighteen touchdowns is zero interceptions.
Speaker 1: But what stands out to you right now about the
Speaker 1: Chiefs is that offense that was surging early, is their
Speaker 1: paces slowed down to a snail's pace. Because last week
Speaker 1: Buffalo went in there a struggling defense and they completely
Speaker 1: shut down the run. They did not give up any
Speaker 1: big place to Alex Smith in a passing game, and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were only able to total ten points. So
Speaker 1: this will be a desperate football team. And I'm really
Speaker 1: intrigued by match up anytime Andy Reid and his offense
Speaker 1: goes against Todd Bowls and his defense, because Todd Bowles,
Speaker 1: of course worked for Andy Read two thousand twelve, was
Speaker 1: a secondary coach for the Eagles and then later that
Speaker 1: season became Andy Reath interim defensive coordinator. These guys know
Speaker 1: each other very well. We'll check in with Matt Derrek
Speaker 1: of Chiefs Digests in just a couple of seconds here,
Speaker 1: But before we bring him in, what do you think
Speaker 1: has causedes Kansas City offense that had a lot of
Speaker 1: folks believing they would be sitting atop of the a
Speaker 1: f C at this point in the season, and now
Speaker 1: they're scrambling for a hold in the a FC. When
Speaker 1: I see a struggling offense, I always started up front
Speaker 1: with the offensive line. I don't even look at the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So to me, when you see Kareem Hunt being completely
Speaker 1: shut down by the Bills, what that tells me is
Speaker 1: Buffalo sending a lot of guys in the box and
Speaker 1: Kansas City is not getting plays down in the field
Speaker 1: like they did early in the season. Because if you
Speaker 1: get plays down the yield, that's gonna loosen up that box.
Speaker 1: So right now, if the Chiefs can't get a run
Speaker 1: game gone, then it's one dimensional and people are taking
Speaker 1: away Tyreek Hill down the field. Travis Kelsey is very
Speaker 1: impressive tight end, the favorite target of Alex Smith. But
Speaker 1: you're not gonna win just having short gains all the time.
Speaker 1: You need explosion plays offensively. Conversely, that's what I love
Speaker 1: about the Jets right now. You're seeing some explosion plays offensively,
Speaker 1: especially from Robbie Anderson. Hey, wouldn't it be something if
Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson gets matched up with Durrell reevs a Time
Speaker 1: War two Because Darrell Reeves knows just how fast Robbie is. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's becoming more of a complete receiver right in front
Speaker 1: of her eyes. Revis coming here. Gonna be interesting to
Speaker 1: see his snap count this week. But across the way,
Speaker 1: watch out for Marcus Peters, one of the NFL's top cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: And he's a gambler, he's a risk taker. He's always
Speaker 1: looking for an interception. All right, I think and sounded
Speaker 1: to catch up with Matt Derek. Time to hit the phones,
Speaker 1: all right, Greens, Let's bring in Matt Derek from Chiefs Digest. Matt,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs started with a five and all record, but
Speaker 1: suddenly they've lost five out of six. They're hanging on
Speaker 1: to the FC West lead with a six and five record.
Speaker 1: What has happened in Kansas City? You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: not one thing. It's been kind of a cavalcade of
Speaker 1: a disaster here. Early on, it was the defense that
Speaker 1: couldn't stop anybody. Um there, they're there the season are
Speaker 1: still against the pass and the run. Uh, And that's
Speaker 1: what really got to be in trouble. Earlier there, their
Speaker 1: offense was masking a theory to five and no start.
Speaker 1: But when the offense would slowed down, they really had
Speaker 1: a hard time stopping anybody. But in the middle of
Speaker 1: this losing stream. Now they lost five of six. It's
Speaker 1: really reversed itself. The defense instead, and they playing pretty well,
Speaker 1: granted it against them. Off into have been struggling like
Speaker 1: with the Giants in the Bills, but they've they've really
Speaker 1: tightened up something. I mean, they they kind up the
Speaker 1: run a little bit against Dallas and it's just been
Speaker 1: improving week by week that the defense looks pretty good.
Speaker 1: And now it's the offense that looks absolutely lost. And
Speaker 1: once again, I don't think you can point to any
Speaker 1: one thing. Alex Smith is playing poorly, offensive lines playing poorly,
Speaker 1: They can't get a run game going. Uh, it's just
Speaker 1: a mess right now, Matt. What's going on with the
Speaker 1: Chiefs offensively? I know a lot of people in Kansas
Speaker 1: City are very upset with Alex Smith. When I look
Speaker 1: at an offense and I see struggles like the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are having right now, I look up front at the
Speaker 1: offensive line, not so much at Alex Smith. Well, absolutely
Speaker 1: do start up front with the offensive lines. And and
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: too early to pen all of the problems on Alex Smith,
Speaker 1: because the offensive line has not played well, they've had
Speaker 1: some injuries, They've still got some some positions that they're
Speaker 1: trying to firm up and figure out who's the best
Speaker 1: player in those roles. And I'm not convinced that even
Speaker 1: though you've got Mitch Morrison and Laurent du for HRD
Speaker 1: has come back, that they're a dent um. It's it
Speaker 1: looks like a little bit like they may have been
Speaker 1: rushed to come back because the offense was kind of
Speaker 1: struggling a little bit in their absence. So it definitely
Speaker 1: starts there. And you know, and and Alex Smith has
Speaker 1: probably had a little bit happy feat lately, and I
Speaker 1: think part of that is that he's not completely has
Speaker 1: a lot of faith right now in the offense he've line.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of well hurt um for the
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes discussion, it was inevitable the moment that they
Speaker 1: drafted him in the first round that there was gonna
Speaker 1: be this conversation at some point if if Alex Smith
Speaker 1: ever struggled, and and we're certainly at that point now
Speaker 1: that people were asking the question, um, but we'll the
Speaker 1: chief to make the move. You know, Andy Reid told
Speaker 1: us last night, I know he's not there right now,
Speaker 1: He's got he's he's got a couple of other things
Speaker 1: to work on, and I think that's where his mindset is,
Speaker 1: is that he sees that this offense has a lot
Speaker 1: of problems right now and changing the quarterback, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't do your whole what a good if if the
Speaker 1: offensive line is not performing well, if you can't get
Speaker 1: the run game going, if the wide receivers are not
Speaker 1: on the same page, that that's the change. The quarterback
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything. So I would fully expect it over
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks what he wants to try
Speaker 1: and do if he wants to forget an offensive behind,
Speaker 1: he wants to approve their execution, work on their game plan,
Speaker 1: and if they're still stuck, then yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the quarterback conversation is gonna come up. So if
Speaker 1: you're the Jets defense, how do you attack this Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs offense that we've talked about is struggling as
Speaker 1: of late, because from where we sit is to me,
Speaker 1: the offense kind of runs through Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does, and it certainly does. And you know, one
Speaker 1: of things the teams have really had a lot of
Speaker 1: success with the last few weeks has been just throwing
Speaker 1: a software soft don't defense that the Chiefs. That's not
Speaker 1: something that that the Chiefs haven't beaten in the past.
Speaker 1: They certainly can, but with their timing issues and the
Speaker 1: problems that they have, they have not been able to
Speaker 1: beat teams deep right now. That's that's really what keeps
Speaker 1: this success early on in season was these big plays.
Speaker 1: You know, you're making a fifty yard touchdowns on a
Speaker 1: fairly regular basis, and they were had they had a
Speaker 1: streak work in those eight nine games in a row
Speaker 1: where they've had a touchdown a fifty yards or more.
Speaker 1: You're making those big plays. It's it's it's tough to stop.
Speaker 1: And but right now the Chiefs aren't hitting on those,
Speaker 1: so teams are playing a little bit of soft zone
Speaker 1: against him and just attacking the ball. You know, that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, Kareem Hunt, who's
Speaker 1: so good at finding holes and breaking tackles, right now,
Speaker 1: teams are hitting him at the line of scrim mage
Speaker 1: and where when you do that, when you attack like that,
Speaker 1: it's it's difficult to then just to be able to
Speaker 1: move forward to pick up yards so that's what teams
Speaker 1: have been doing lately, and I fully expected after last
Speaker 1: year's game at Arrowhead just probably does I know there's
Speaker 1: guys don't have Jet's teams that have a lot of
Speaker 1: pride and they don't want to see a repeat of
Speaker 1: what happened at Arrowhead last year. We're talking Chief's Football
Speaker 1: with Matt Derek from Chief's Digest. Matt, why did the
Speaker 1: Chiefs go out and signed Rall Reavos at this point
Speaker 1: so late in the season, And also, do you anticipate
Speaker 1: Reva's plant outside at the cornerback position or perhaps maybe
Speaker 1: Bob Sutton will use him some at safety? You know,
Speaker 1: that's a great question, and I don't know that we're
Speaker 1: gonna seem at safety run off to bat. What the
Speaker 1: what the Chiefs like to do with their their three
Speaker 1: four stub packages is they've got Steven Nelson who starts
Speaker 1: at right corner and then he typically moves into the
Speaker 1: slot and a nickel corner comes into his place on
Speaker 1: the right side. Uh, And that's where it seems most
Speaker 1: likely would be a Rev's role eventually is is playing
Speaker 1: that right corner and the stub packages, they play a
Speaker 1: lot of those stub packages, So you know, it could
Speaker 1: end up be in the fifties sixty percent of the
Speaker 1: snaps from just that alone. But they really like Steven
Speaker 1: Nelson in the slot, So I don't think that they're
Speaker 1: gonna be instally using Revous there. They certainly could. I
Speaker 1: think they're just they wanted right now that they're going
Speaker 1: to probably test a few things to find out what
Speaker 1: really is their best secondary package. But a big part
Speaker 1: of the reason why they were signing him was just
Speaker 1: they were just giving up too many yards through the air. Um.
Speaker 1: They've got Marcus Peters on one who has been a
Speaker 1: pretty effective shutdown corner, but what it's led people teams
Speaker 1: to do is just to attack that right side of
Speaker 1: the defense. And and Terrence Mitchell, you know, he'd been
Speaker 1: been for a few games, came back, looked it look
Speaker 1: like he had really kind of fixed up some things
Speaker 1: and tightened up some things in his game. Um, but
Speaker 1: he had to the first half of the the season give
Speaker 1: up more yards and they may at our corner in
Speaker 1: the league, And a big reason for that was just
Speaker 1: teams were just continually attacking that side of the field
Speaker 1: to avoid Marcus Peters. Man. I got a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: respect for Bob Sutton. He was here for close to
Speaker 1: fifteen years as the Jets defensive assistant. Now, of course
Speaker 1: he's a defensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs. He
Speaker 1: has one of the finer cornerbacks in the National Football
Speaker 1: League and Marcus Peters. How do they use Peters right now?
Speaker 1: And is it possible he shadows one of the hottest
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL right now, Robby Anderson. That's one
Speaker 1: thing that Setton has not done in Kansas that he
Speaker 1: has ever. Let's let his let his guys travel, he
Speaker 1: has donely said him at that time. There's two sections
Speaker 1: of the field, and you know Marcus Peters has been
Speaker 1: locked down. Their left corner is never moved or traveled.
Speaker 1: Uh So, I I don't think, I mean that's generally
Speaker 1: what he has done in Kansas City and over the
Speaker 1: last five seasons, has always been locked down those corners
Speaker 1: and then move his slot to wherever he needs to.
Speaker 1: So I imagining the Reevers is probably gonna play in
Speaker 1: a lot of that right corner because Nelson that his
Speaker 1: stronger position is in the slot. So that's right imagine
Speaker 1: he will be But you know It's hard to tell
Speaker 1: because the designing of Reebs is certainly a game changer
Speaker 1: to a degree with his defense as he's healthy. How
Speaker 1: do you think the Chiefs have handled the loss of
Speaker 1: Eric Barry And what is the safety landscape now without Barry?
Speaker 1: Because with Robby Anderson being on a tear, maybe the
Speaker 1: Jets will take a few shots deep. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's really been interesting because with you know, with Barry
Speaker 1: going out, what they've really had to do with lean
Speaker 1: a lot more on Dan Stewart's and is that in
Speaker 1: that strong safety role and and so into the ass
Speaker 1: as probably one of the better third safeties in the league.
Speaker 1: Is he's a very aggressive player in a hard hitter um,
Speaker 1: but coverage is not necessarily as forte. He he doesn't
Speaker 1: have quite the speed that that Barry has and covered
Speaker 1: reading abilities that Barry has, So teams have kind of
Speaker 1: you know, beat them a little bit there. Uh, And
Speaker 1: they've also have played with struggling trying to figure out
Speaker 1: the right three four lineup and there their inside linebackers.
Speaker 1: They've played a lot of safeties in the box. So
Speaker 1: I think that has exposed and deep a little bit.
Speaker 1: The last couple of weeks Reggie Raglan, who they picked
Speaker 1: up from from Buffalo, has really stepped up in that
Speaker 1: big nickel role. So it's allowed them to go with
Speaker 1: more more of a three or four traditional front and
Speaker 1: allowing those safeties to play a little bit deeper. And
Speaker 1: I do think that certainly helped because the defense has
Speaker 1: looked tighter. They haven't been giving up as many big
Speaker 1: plays through the air. So when the Chiefs are in
Speaker 1: that formation, they look like they're pretty rock and rolling
Speaker 1: right now. It's when they do go to their deeper,
Speaker 1: you know, nickel and dime packages and have more says
Speaker 1: than you know, secondary players in the field, then I
Speaker 1: think they get a little bit exposed. Justin Houston still
Speaker 1: rocking and rolling leading the team, I believe with eight
Speaker 1: and a half sacks across the way, are the Chiefs
Speaker 1: getting good production away from Houston? You know, that's really
Speaker 1: been the struggle because Houston has has had a pretty
Speaker 1: good season overall. I mean, he's had some some slumps
Speaker 1: at A big part of that has just been a
Speaker 1: team has been able to double and even triple team
Speaker 1: him at times. Uh d Ford, who was typically on
Speaker 1: the other side of defense from Houston, has been banged up,
Speaker 1: he's got a bad back. Um, he's only played six
Speaker 1: games this season, so he's really missed a lot of time.
Speaker 1: Uh Tom Bahali who has only played two games this year.
Speaker 1: He was on the puff list first half of the season.
Speaker 1: And he's got a rookie to know passenger who who
Speaker 1: shows a lot of promise, but they have only been
Speaker 1: getting him a handful of snaps a snaps per game.
Speaker 1: So as a result of Houston had to play a
Speaker 1: lot out there, he's almost become an every down linebacker.
Speaker 1: And at his age and with his history with his knees,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's really been kind of a stranger.
Speaker 1: I was going a lot from him and they haven't
Speaker 1: been only give him any support. On the other side,
Speaker 1: most of the support that Houston has been getting his
Speaker 1: been from the the defensive interior. Benny Logan, Chris Jones,
Speaker 1: Rakim Ninez, roaches. These guys are a pretty good job.
Speaker 1: I hope to collapse the pocket, but they haven't really
Speaker 1: been able to get a lot of the pass rest
Speaker 1: generated on the other side across opposite from Houston. This
Speaker 1: is a fascinating matchup because the Chiefs right there in
Speaker 1: the playoff mix still lead the FC West with the
Speaker 1: six and five mark, but they tasted a lot of
Speaker 1: losing lately. Conversely, the Jets each and every week they're
Speaker 1: in ball games, but they've lost five or six themselves.
Speaker 1: So I know both teams are gonna be looking at
Speaker 1: this game as one that they have to have and
Speaker 1: also one that they should have. How is the locker
Speaker 1: room in Kansas City? And how do you anticipate they
Speaker 1: will respond this weekend on the road. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't really since that much frustration or that much
Speaker 1: panic in this team until yesterday. That was a very
Speaker 1: quiet locker room after that Bills game, because I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just really pondering right now about
Speaker 1: where things are and how they've gotten to this situation,
Speaker 1: because this is a team that's certainly never imagined that
Speaker 1: did he sits in six and five and he's losing
Speaker 1: five of six, and there's a lot of questions I
Speaker 1: think in there right now. Now. You know, Andy Reids,
Speaker 1: one of his strengths of the head coach is that
Speaker 1: he's never really lost the team, and this team has had,
Speaker 1: you know, losing streaks before they opened the season one
Speaker 1: and five back in twenty fifteen, they lost Jamal Charles
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid finds a way to reel off ten
Speaker 1: straight wins. So you know, he has an ability to
Speaker 1: keep these guys together. And right now they're saying all
Speaker 1: the right things about no one's pointing any fingers that
Speaker 1: we that's all that's on all of us and we've
Speaker 1: got to we've got to stick together. So far they're
Speaker 1: doing that, So there's none of these times that I
Speaker 1: see of this locker room falling apart. But they've certainly
Speaker 1: at this point they've got to figure out what it
Speaker 1: is that's going on. Um, but they've She's have been huge,
Speaker 1: big favorites. The last two weeks. There were teams that
Speaker 1: were coming off big losses on losing streaks and haven't
Speaker 1: been able to beat them yet. So at this point,
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine that she's, you know, going in
Speaker 1: his game feeling like they're the favorite in any way
Speaker 1: in this game. They've got I feel like that they're
Speaker 1: the end of dogs to the the way they're playing right now.
Speaker 1: You can followed him at Matt Derek on Twitter. He
Speaker 1: writes for Chief's Digest as a fantastic job, and he's
Speaker 1: coming to MetLife Stadium for the second time in three weeks. Matt,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Free times, great Greens. The one
Speaker 1: thing that I take away from Matt Eric right there
Speaker 1: is the chief sense of urgency after that Bill's game,
Speaker 1: because suddenly it's five out of six, you gotta still leave.
Speaker 1: The f C West was a six and five record,
Speaker 1: But right behind them is an awfully hot l a
Speaker 1: Chargers team who is five and six, who's actually coming
Speaker 1: to Montlife Stadium to play the Jets on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: But before we start looking at that matchup, we gotta
Speaker 1: continue talking Jets Chiefs. Remember the Chiefs came here a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, faced a struggling Giants team did
Speaker 1: got nothing going on offensively, and lost that game and
Speaker 1: overtime to a big blue squad who has had a
Speaker 1: lot of blues, a lot of downs to see. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Andy Reid is one of the premier offensive minds in
Speaker 1: the NFL. But to me, it's just it's a very
Speaker 1: curious case because the narrative the past couple of seasons
Speaker 1: has has been the Chiefs have been one of the
Speaker 1: premier teams in the regular season, and then once the
Speaker 1: postseason comes around, they can't the tail off. And one
Speaker 1: that comes to mind is the Colts game in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: when they had that huge lead the Colts one. But
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking. But but this year, right
Speaker 1: from the gate, it's it seemed as if the Chiefs
Speaker 1: had put that behind them and they were gonna take
Speaker 1: that next step. And here we are in December now
Speaker 1: and it's okay, maybe they won't win the a f
Speaker 1: C West. So I just think it's very interesting case
Speaker 1: as a whole. For this game in particular, they have
Speaker 1: a veteran coach and Andy Reid who said this week
Speaker 1: the NFL has its ebbs and flows. So if you're
Speaker 1: in Kansas City right now, are you panicked as a fan?
Speaker 1: Probably a little bit. I think it's safe to us
Speaker 1: to say that, But I don't, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if any reads panicking just yet. And um, a
Speaker 1: wounded animal is always the most dangerous animal. For this
Speaker 1: matchup in particular, how do you defend Tyreek Hill. Is
Speaker 1: it Morris Claiborne, who has been tremendous, he had a
Speaker 1: great game against the Panthers, or do you line up
Speaker 1: someone's quicker, smaller like Buster Screen. Well, I don't think
Speaker 1: you go one on one with them. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of times you bracket Tyreek Hill, you get some
Speaker 1: safety help over the top the other thing. And when
Speaker 1: you mentioned Hill, you gotta watch out special teams wise,
Speaker 1: because the Jets coverage units this year have been phenomenal
Speaker 1: for the most part, and that was an anomaly so
Speaker 1: far this season two thousand seventeen, Caitlin clayg goes sixty
Speaker 1: yards for the Panthers for the score. Tyreek Hill can
Speaker 1: take it the distance anytime, so Lochlan Edwards, the Big Aussee,
Speaker 1: cannot OutKick his coverage. This week, Bart Scott and I
Speaker 1: actually took a look at one of Tyreek hills read
Speaker 1: hearns it was his loan touchdown this season as a
Speaker 1: returner against the Houston Texas when one of the game's
Speaker 1: best ponners, Shane lock Leckler, I'll kick this coverage. He's
Speaker 1: like sixty five yard kick. The problem with the sixty
Speaker 1: five yard kick is nobody's down there. You need more
Speaker 1: hang time against a guy like Tyreek Hill. So yes,
Speaker 1: you have to be concerned with him offensively, but you
Speaker 1: have to be very concerned with him from a special
Speaker 1: team's perspective, and if you have punt coverage right on,
Speaker 1: Lock's gotta put it to the right and you gotta
Speaker 1: play that boundary. You cannot give this guy time and
Speaker 1: open field. Brand lawyer last year's said that Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: is the best returner in the league and he's a
Speaker 1: dual threat, and you touched on it, and special teams
Speaker 1: maybe often overlooked, shouldn't be. But I think that's just
Speaker 1: that's a fact of the matter and that this week
Speaker 1: it's prevalent because of someone like Tyreek Hill. But I
Speaker 1: think we should uh go down to Kentucky. What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Let's bring him in. Let's spring
Speaker 1: in the gun slinger, Chad. From your manage point, watching
Speaker 1: this football team right now, what do the Jots have
Speaker 1: to do to get over the hamp in the fourth quarters? Well, Eric,
Speaker 1: it appears to me they need to get out of
Speaker 1: their own way. Um. You know, we talked about a
Speaker 1: lot on this podcast as well as just throughout the
Speaker 1: year on how a lot of teams in this league
Speaker 1: lose football games and the opponent doesn't necessarily beat them.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened on Sunday. You had a
Speaker 1: Carolina team who I think is struggling offensively to find
Speaker 1: rhythm um to really find themselves in this particular game,
Speaker 1: that couldn't find themselves running the ball or passing the
Speaker 1: ball really and the Jets found the way to allow
Speaker 1: them to get into rhythm and to win the football game.
Speaker 1: That's just plain and simple how it happened. You have
Speaker 1: a return fum before touchdown, you have special teams touchdown.
Speaker 1: You have two fourth down conversions on drives and in
Speaker 1: and in points. And then when you needed to stop
Speaker 1: to give your offense a chance to go down and
Speaker 1: win the game, you have a personal foul penalty. And
Speaker 1: so with all those things being said, not very many
Speaker 1: teams in this league, no matter how good you are,
Speaker 1: can overcome those odds, regardless of what your record is.
Speaker 1: To borrow a phrase from you, buddy, Josh McCown, for
Speaker 1: eleven games for the most part, is played winning football.
Speaker 1: What do you make some of these late game decisions
Speaker 1: where they have resulted in big time mistakes, whether it
Speaker 1: be the interception against Miami or this past Sunday, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, he's trying to dirt the football, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: it's rule to fumble. Look quickly returns it the other
Speaker 1: way and the game turns in an instant. Yeah. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: this Sunday is probably most frustrating for Josh because when
Speaker 1: you go back and look at it, you know, you
Speaker 1: just eat it right there. Take the sack one of
Speaker 1: those times where you don't try to make situation where uh,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to make something out of the situations
Speaker 1: completely not there um, And that's that's a hard one
Speaker 1: to take for him at the bottom line, as you
Speaker 1: can't do that, and that's that's part of that winning
Speaker 1: football formula. As a quarterback. You you know that there's
Speaker 1: certain things that you cannot do, and that's one of them.
Speaker 1: And that's probably what's most frustrating for Josh is UM.
Speaker 1: You know, one play like that sours a really good performance, UM,
Speaker 1: a performance that quite frankly, he should have four to
Speaker 1: five touchdowns in this performance and UM with no interceptions
Speaker 1: and one place hours that effort, which is unfortunate. UM,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's a lot of teams that are
Speaker 1: having these types of quarterback plays that are able to
Speaker 1: overcome them, and unfortunately for the Jets, the margin of
Speaker 1: air for victory is so small that none of these
Speaker 1: plays can happen in a negative fashion in order to
Speaker 1: give the Jets a chance to win. Yeah, it seemed
Speaker 1: that the Jets might have had difficulty entering a game
Speaker 1: moving to football only because the Panthers came into Sunday's
Speaker 1: contest with the second overall defense and Josh McCown through
Speaker 1: four three hundred fifty four yards a second time this
Speaker 1: season that he's a clipse to three mark through three
Speaker 1: touchdown passes. You said it should have been four or five.
Speaker 1: What made the offense so successful against his Panthers defense
Speaker 1: that really hadn't shown a lot of weekness all year. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the Jets came out and did a great
Speaker 1: job of saying, you know what, with this defense being
Speaker 1: so good and they've always been good against the run,
Speaker 1: that we have to make some hay on first and
Speaker 1: second down with our passing game. And they were able
Speaker 1: to do that. Uh. You also had the big playability,
Speaker 1: you know, Jets were able to use Robbie Anderson down
Speaker 1: the field and make some big plays. And against the
Speaker 1: team that is as consistent as the Panthers, the Jets
Speaker 1: were able to find some chunk yardage plays to make
Speaker 1: these drives a little bit smoother, a little bit easier
Speaker 1: for them, and and that's what they were able to
Speaker 1: do on first and second out, which were that that
Speaker 1: allowed him to score those twenty seven points. What's the
Speaker 1: ceiling on Robbie Anderson right now? He's got touchdowns in
Speaker 1: five consecutive games. He's coming off a career best performance
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, nearly a hundred and fifty yards through the air.
Speaker 1: Josh McCown is developing more confidence in him by the week.
Speaker 1: You can see that happen. And I think before the season,
Speaker 1: a lot of people said, yeah, Robbie Anderson, he's a
Speaker 1: speed receiver, but now he's adding it to that repertoire.
Speaker 1: Can he be a number one receiver in the National
Speaker 1: Football League? Well, the key for for Robbie Anderson is
Speaker 1: to continually make a play or two down the field,
Speaker 1: which then allows his speed to be used on the
Speaker 1: shorter routes and the intermediate routes and those go to
Speaker 1: type situations because they know he has proven he can
Speaker 1: go down the field and make plays. The touchdown catching
Speaker 1: and double coverage was a huge play for Robbie and
Speaker 1: the Jets, but even for how you can use Robbie
Speaker 1: to attack because He's a lot of times when people
Speaker 1: refer to quote a speed receiver, they know if you
Speaker 1: let him get behind, he's gonna make a player too.
Speaker 1: But this guy has been able to make plays in traffic,
Speaker 1: make plays down the field, which now creates that threat,
Speaker 1: and so that then loosens up the coverage on the
Speaker 1: shorter and intermediate routes for him. Did not only be
Speaker 1: a down the field threat, but he's a threat anytime.
Speaker 1: And that's important because now you can see that the
Speaker 1: quarterback in the town has really developed confidence in him
Speaker 1: and does just doesn't look for Robbie down the field.
Speaker 1: He looks for Robbie all over the field. And that's
Speaker 1: a completely different mindset. Uh. And then when you add
Speaker 1: in Curse, a bigger receiver that can also make plays, uh,
Speaker 1: then you feel pretty good about that one to punch,
Speaker 1: How much did you appreciate that second touchdown? The cown
Speaker 1: looks over the middle, flushed out of the pocket, rolls
Speaker 1: to his right at the fourty, directing traffic. He's one
Speaker 1: down the sideline. Robbie Anderson, what open he's got it.
Speaker 1: That's a jet touchdown. That was a broken play. That
Speaker 1: was all schoolyard let's meet Jess McCown and Robbie Anderson.
Speaker 1: McCown pointed deep, Anderson Son took off and the Jets
Speaker 1: have the lead. Well, that's that's next level football. As
Speaker 1: far as a quarterback and receiver truly understanding each other
Speaker 1: and feeling really comfortable with each other. Uh, you also
Speaker 1: have a receiver and Robbie Anderson who uh he did
Speaker 1: a great job of not stepping out of bound, understanding
Speaker 1: where he was. Uh. That's some next level things there
Speaker 1: as far as quarterback play, receiver play, and just good
Speaker 1: football between two teammates that you quite frankly, you can't
Speaker 1: coach that as they feel and and kudos to them
Speaker 1: for being able to work hard throughout the year to
Speaker 1: gain that field for each other. It's not like these
Speaker 1: guys have played with each other for years and years.
Speaker 1: You typically see those types of plays with quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: receivers that played four to six years together. This is
Speaker 1: a one year occurrence, which is is quite impressive. One
Speaker 1: needs to happen for the Jets to have success this
Speaker 1: upcoming Sunday against the Chiefs against the defense that started
Speaker 1: off kind of slow in the beginning of the year
Speaker 1: has come on as of Laydon has one of the
Speaker 1: premier corners in the National Football League, and Marcus Peters
Speaker 1: and and of course Darrell Rivas, the former Jet making
Speaker 1: his debut as a Kansas City Chief at MetLife Stadium. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, you are playing a team who typically
Speaker 1: does not beat itself. Um. Alex Smith the quarterback is
Speaker 1: that way, um, and the team has adopted that type
Speaker 1: of mentality. On the flip side, you're also playing a
Speaker 1: team that is completely struggling for an identity and looking
Speaker 1: for a glimmer of hope, looking for a spark. And
Speaker 1: so as a team, the Jets cannot give the Chiefs
Speaker 1: a spark. They cannot ignite their flame and be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, be the reason that the Chiefs find their
Speaker 1: way again, because they are comp really spluttering right now
Speaker 1: and they're just looking for a team to kind of
Speaker 1: spark them. What do you expect to happen to, though,
Speaker 1: because this is a Chief team that from afar looks
Speaker 1: like they are in free fall. But I would have
Speaker 1: said the same thing about the Buffalo Bills last week,
Speaker 1: who went to Arrowhead on a three game losey streak
Speaker 1: and they shut down the Chiefs. Now, you got a
Speaker 1: Kansas City team who was at Mentley Stadium a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago against the New York Giants. They couldn't
Speaker 1: do anything offensively. So what do you think happens? And
Speaker 1: how about your thoughts on the game inside the game
Speaker 1: the play caller Andy Reid and a former guy on
Speaker 1: his staff in Philadelphia, Todd Bowls the respect factor right
Speaker 1: there and what goes into developing game plans on each
Speaker 1: side between those two, Well, I think for the Jets,
Speaker 1: for Coach Bowls, they still realize that this Chiefs team, Uh,
Speaker 1: they have playmakers and they have airs that can change
Speaker 1: the game with one play, be as speed, uh, physicality,
Speaker 1: ball skills, all those different things. They also have a
Speaker 1: defense and a coordinator and Bob Sutton that Coach Bowles
Speaker 1: is familiar with that has the ability to make plays
Speaker 1: and get turnovers and change the game as well. So,
Speaker 1: although this is a struggling team, you've got to be
Speaker 1: really concerned about, Okay, how do we not give them
Speaker 1: those opportunities? How do we make them earn everything that
Speaker 1: they get both defensively and offensively? And so that does
Speaker 1: play into the play calling. That doesn't mean you're going
Speaker 1: to be conservative but at the same time, you're going
Speaker 1: to make sure that, uh, you eliminate as many chances
Speaker 1: as possible for these guys to get loose, as well
Speaker 1: as defensively for them to make plays either through sacks
Speaker 1: or interceptions, and so as an offense player wise, ball
Speaker 1: security is the number one key to this game. It's
Speaker 1: like we said when the Jets played the Bills, it
Speaker 1: would be a game that the team that turns the
Speaker 1: ball over will probably lose, and that's exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: and so this is going to be one of those
Speaker 1: similar games. You have a quarterback that's similar to Tyrod
Speaker 1: Taylor and the Bills that takes care of the football
Speaker 1: historically doesn't give the opponent chances. Um, you have a
Speaker 1: defense that likes to try to take the ball away,
Speaker 1: but at the same time they don't give up a
Speaker 1: whole lot. When you look at the Bills Chiefs game,
Speaker 1: it's a sixteen to ten games, so you know it's
Speaker 1: not just a high scoring affair. It's going to be
Speaker 1: one of those games that probably if everything's played equal,
Speaker 1: should be a seventeen to fourteen games go either way.
Speaker 1: If you throw turnovers in into the mix, then you
Speaker 1: get that thirty four to twenty one game that the
Speaker 1: Jets had against the Bills, and that could go either
Speaker 1: way depending on who's the team that will turn the
Speaker 1: ball over. The Chief's offense, it's predicated on Kareem Haunt,
Speaker 1: Tyree Hill, and Travis Kelsey. But outside of those three,
Speaker 1: these guys are haven't There hasn't really been a lot
Speaker 1: of production. So from your respective, how do you go
Speaker 1: about limiting these guys? Is there is there a priority aspect?
Speaker 1: And you know what do you how how do you
Speaker 1: expect coach Bowls to attack these three guys on the
Speaker 1: Chief's offense that are have been boom or bust so
Speaker 1: far this season? Yeah, I think it's situational for those
Speaker 1: three guys. If you just had the list of in order,
Speaker 1: I think it would go Hunt, Hill, and Kelsey. But
Speaker 1: in each situation, one of those players comes to the forefront,
Speaker 1: whether it be read zone with Kelsey, whether it be
Speaker 1: down the field Chunk plays with Hill, uh, first down
Speaker 1: production with Hunt, those types of things, whatever those situations are.
Speaker 1: As they do their film study, then uh, you've got
Speaker 1: to you know, push one in front of the other.
Speaker 1: So it's going to be important that the Jets defense
Speaker 1: as players are really understanding situational awareness and understand what
Speaker 1: each situation brings and who that number one is. And
Speaker 1: a great defense and a great coordinator always figures out
Speaker 1: who the number one option is. Take that away, make
Speaker 1: the two and three beat you. And so that's going
Speaker 1: to be important with their mixes of coverages, uh and
Speaker 1: understanding the situation awarenesses do they really need to focus on? Well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fun one. And we got a
Speaker 1: special three on Sunday because you are actually coming up
Speaker 1: Tontlife Stadium and you're gonna appear on and I don't
Speaker 1: even know if you know this, So I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: an announcement to you right now. A um Chap Pennyson
Speaker 1: will be on Facebook as we talk about Jets Chiefs
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes before kickoff. How about that? Wow,
Speaker 1: it's awesome to be on a neat no basis that
Speaker 1: until now. So hey, like any good quarterback will do,
Speaker 1: you make an audible and you roll with and we'll
Speaker 1: see up there this weekend. Buddy. Okay, guys, thank ye.
Speaker 1: Something that I thought was pretty interesting is that when
Speaker 1: we asked chat about how do you rank the Chiefs
Speaker 1: playmakers and Cream Hunt, Tyree Hill, and try Avis Kelsey.
Speaker 1: He said that it's really dependent on situational football. I
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's a tremendous point that I
Speaker 1: think fans have to take notice for because obviously, on paper,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have a good offense that can attack you
Speaker 1: in many ways, but it just depends on what they're
Speaker 1: faced with. And Kareem Hunt, as a rookie, a third
Speaker 1: round pick, is toward the league in the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. And Travis Kelsey, we didn't touch on him yet,
Speaker 1: but he's one of the league's best tight ends and
Speaker 1: he's been doing it for a long time. Not to
Speaker 1: mention he's Alex Smith's safety blanket. The Jets did play
Speaker 1: Greg Olsen for a little bit on Sunday before he accited.
Speaker 1: That was a tough break for the Panthers. But with
Speaker 1: that being said, I think this is a game where
Speaker 1: you gotta set that edge because their deadly Kareem Haunt
Speaker 1: is deadly if he gets to Hidge. Jordan Jenkins does
Speaker 1: a thankless job for this team at times, and he
Speaker 1: plays a strong sidelinebacker where he's playing over the tight
Speaker 1: end and he's turning things inside so the other guys
Speaker 1: can get tackles. I think the Mario Davis and Darren
Speaker 1: Lee are both playing at a high level. Um. I
Speaker 1: think you might see the Jets play this a little
Speaker 1: bit differently this week. Um. They went to the blitz
Speaker 1: early and often against the Carolina Panthers. But if you
Speaker 1: load the box against Kansas City of late, they have
Speaker 1: shown an inability to beat it down the field. So
Speaker 1: if the Jets can play this thing in a phone booth,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry about it. Jamal Adams probably sees a
Speaker 1: lot of Travis Kelsey would think, Um, and you talked
Speaker 1: about Morris Clayborne before. Maybe he sees a lot of
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill but holds some safety help at times. And
Speaker 1: my thing is for Kansas City, who is that other
Speaker 1: guy who's going to beat you? The one thing that
Speaker 1: Pennington did mention is that Alex Smith won't run the football.
Speaker 1: So but again, you just don't want them to get
Speaker 1: any confidence because right now they're in a funk, and
Speaker 1: there used to being on a fune. So the Jets
Speaker 1: so far have shown the ability to bounce back, be ready,
Speaker 1: play with juice, energy and passion. Each and every week.
Speaker 1: That's when I anticipate Sunday against the Chiefs. All Right,
Speaker 1: That's all we have here on the Official Jets Podcast.
Speaker 1: Game preview again, Jets Chiefs this Sunday, one pm, MetLife Stadium,
Speaker 1: the second last home game in MetLife Stadium this season.
Speaker 1: It's weird to think about, but that's a fact in
Speaker 1: that the Jets final home game will be what Christmas Eve?
Speaker 1: Christmas Christmas. So after this, it's three or four in
Speaker 1: the roads, starting in Denver, then New Orleans. It's a
Speaker 1: home coming for John Morton's will go back and face
Speaker 1: one of his former mentors and Sean Payton, of course,
Speaker 1: and then the season will end against the New England
Speaker 1: Patriots and New Year's Eve. Alright, but Week thirteen action
Speaker 1: this Sunday, Jets Chiefs at MetLife Stadium. That's all we
Speaker 1: got here today. Her Eric Allen, I'm Ethan Greenberg at