WEBVTT - The Tycoon in a Gulag (Part One)

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<v Speaker 1>Media. Something strange is going on. Another member of the

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<v Speaker 1>Russian elite has been found dead. Reports suggests that he

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<v Speaker 1>fell out of a window poisoned with mushrooms. He died

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<v Speaker 1>of heart failure, died of carbon monoxide poisoning. How comesy

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<v Speaker 1>are they?

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<v Speaker 2>Dozens of Russian oligarchs, politically motivated millionaires have died in

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<v Speaker 2>the space for three years, most of them in suspicious circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Many have hidden links to the Kremlin. This is sad

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<v Speaker 2>Oligach season two, an ongoing investigation into these recently stead of.

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<v Speaker 1>Russian power brokers.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad Oligach is created by me jake Hanrahan and my

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<v Speaker 2>Ukrainian colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. This is a H eleven Studio

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<v Speaker 2>and Coolso Media production. Before we get into this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>tale of Death and Goulags, we have a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an update from episode seven Hanged with hands bound. If

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<v Speaker 2>you remember, this was the case where businessmen and local

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<v Speaker 2>Putin politician Batally Kapustin was found hanged high up in

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<v Speaker 2>a tree and I witnessed said that his hands were

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<v Speaker 2>tied behind his back. Still, the police deemed it a suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>For that case, I went down the rabbit hole of

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<v Speaker 2>police corruption in the area where Kapustin was hanged, a

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<v Speaker 2>place called at Kresnador Cry. To be frank, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be one of the most corrupt regions in the

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<v Speaker 2>whole of Russia, and that saying something. I've kept looking

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<v Speaker 2>into the case, and there seems to be a big

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<v Speaker 2>issue with strange murders, organized crime and state embezzlement all

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<v Speaker 2>in this one area. So I reached out through a

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<v Speaker 2>source in Russia who's involved in documenting the Krasnodar Kry underworld.

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<v Speaker 2>He was going to come on to sad Oligak to

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<v Speaker 2>speak about it, but it was perhaps a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>too risky for him, even under anonymity. It's understandable. He did, though,

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<v Speaker 2>send us a sort of statement or overview of how

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<v Speaker 2>he understands the corruption in Kresnal door Kry. We translated

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<v Speaker 2>this all from Russian and I'm going to read it

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<v Speaker 2>out here in full, as I think it adds some

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<v Speaker 2>great context to the mysterious death of Vitally Kapustin. The

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<v Speaker 2>following is from our anonymous source in Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Since Soviet times, Krasnal door Kry has held a special

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<v Speaker 2>place within Russia's law enforcement system.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason is simple.

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<v Speaker 2>The country's main results are here, and that's where the

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<v Speaker 2>entire political and security elite go on holiday with their families.

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<v Speaker 2>Their holidays are arranged and facilitated by local officials, police, businessmen, fixers,

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<v Speaker 2>and so on. If you organize a good stay for

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<v Speaker 2>an important guest from Moscow, you're immediately welcomed into the

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<v Speaker 2>inner circle. From that point on, you don't really answer

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<v Speaker 2>to local leadership, but to whichever Moscow official took a

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<v Speaker 2>liking to you. Depending on the guests rank, a local

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<v Speaker 2>bureaucrat or security official can essentially become untouchable with guaranteed

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<v Speaker 2>career advancement. Complaining about them at the local level is

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<v Speaker 2>pointless and often useless. Even at the federal level, this

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<v Speaker 2>dynamic produces chosen ones who feel free to do whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they want. There was even a period when many law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement personnel from Cresnal door Cry were relocated to Moscow.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, Vladimir Yakovenko, a prosecutor from Sochi, jumped from

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<v Speaker 2>Krasnodor Krei into the presidential administration, then went on to

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<v Speaker 2>head the main investigative directorate of the Investigative Committee in

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<v Speaker 2>Moscow and is now head of Rossi Mushestvo. When he

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<v Speaker 2>was running Moscow's Investigative Directorate, his deputy was another Krasnada native,

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<v Speaker 2>Sergei Senagovski, the son of former Nova Rossiisk mayor Vladimir

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<v Speaker 2>senor Goovsky. Senorgovski ended up involved in a major corruption

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<v Speaker 2>scandal involving bribing Investigative Committee officials to free the crime

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<v Speaker 2>boss Andrei Kotchukov, known as the Italian All its colleagues

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<v Speaker 2>were jailed, but Senyorgovsky got away with just being fired.

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<v Speaker 2>You can also recall the Sapok gang, which terrorized Kuzhnyajovskaya

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<v Speaker 2>for many years and eventually murdered twelve people, including small children.

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<v Speaker 2>During the investigation, it was proven that all law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>officials in the prisonage of Skaya district were receiving money

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<v Speaker 2>from the gang, yet none of them went to prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Many actually built successful careers. Another example from Krasnodor Krii

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<v Speaker 2>is the well known fixer Andre Mattis, who handles problems

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<v Speaker 2>between law enforcement and business. He reached the federal level

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<v Speaker 2>after organizing holidays in Sochi for FSB officers. Two men

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<v Speaker 2>who controlled the entire judicial system of Krasnodor Krii for

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<v Speaker 2>many years became billionaires. Former head of the Krasnodar Regional

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<v Speaker 2>Court Alexander Shnov and Supreme Court Judge Victor Momotov their

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<v Speaker 2>assets worth tens of billions and now being seized. But

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't an anti corruption drive. It's simply a change

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<v Speaker 2>of ruling clans in Moscow, where one group of corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>officials is being replaced by another. An ordinary person has

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<v Speaker 2>a very little chance of getting justice in the Krasnodor

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<v Speaker 2>Krei region because police, prosecutors and judges often work together.

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<v Speaker 2>For years, there's been a corruption slash criminal alliance involving

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<v Speaker 2>Amen Aretagnan, first deputy head of the Criminal Investigation Department

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<v Speaker 2>of the Regional Interior Ministry and Vladimir Kishlak, former head

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<v Speaker 2>of the Civil Division of the Krasnodar Regional Court. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>his position, Atonian Wield's enormous influence over the whole Interior

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<v Speaker 2>Ministry apparatus in the region, and Kishlak still maintains control

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<v Speaker 2>over the regional court. Duo controls key processes the opening

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<v Speaker 2>and closure of criminal cases in the investigative committee, obtaining

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<v Speaker 2>the right decisions in court, corporate raids, an extortion target

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<v Speaker 2>in business people and citizens across the Cuban area. With

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<v Speaker 2>such mutual protection, real miracles can occur, such as outright

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<v Speaker 2>murder being passed off as suicide. One example is the

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<v Speaker 2>case of Constantine Pliganoff, an FSB captain in Komisk Non

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<v Speaker 2>for fighting corruption. He'd been working on a case against

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the Comisk district, Surgey Less. In July

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, Pliganov's body was found in the reeds

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<v Speaker 2>of Lake Tuscan Skuoya, with his legs tied and a

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<v Speaker 2>bullet in the back of his head. It was declared

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<v Speaker 2>an unusual suicide. Recently, Les was arrested on corruption charges

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<v Speaker 2>after attempting to flee with gold bars cast in the

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<v Speaker 2>shape of railway nails and painted black end quote. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's safe to say our initial suspicions about the

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<v Speaker 2>Capustin case were definitely not paranoia. The statement I just

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<v Speaker 2>read out is backed with a ton of investigative work

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<v Speaker 2>that our anonymous source has spent a long time on.

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<v Speaker 2>Needless to say, the Kresnal Door Crier corruption issues are

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<v Speaker 2>by no means new. What I find most interesting about that, though,

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<v Speaker 2>was the last bit about the death of Konstantine Pluganov

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<v Speaker 2>in the Kersnal door Kryt region. That's the FSB officer

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<v Speaker 2>who was apparently genuinely trying to fight corruption in the area,

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<v Speaker 2>a very hard task knowing what we know now. He

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<v Speaker 2>was found dead in shallow waters with a bullet in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of his head, both legs tied together with rope.

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<v Speaker 1>The police calling.

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<v Speaker 2>Pluganov's death and unusual suicide almost feels like a very

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<v Speaker 2>macab in joke. Now it seems he committed suicide the

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<v Speaker 2>same way a CIA whistleblower might commit suicide. Shot in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the skull. The suicide thesis obviously does

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<v Speaker 2>not add up.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Kapustin and Pluganov were found dead in the same region.

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<v Speaker 2>The two areas are roughly three hours drive away from

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<v Speaker 2>each other, but the police in those areas answer to

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<v Speaker 2>the same boss, and both are accused of extreme corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>All this new information only reinforces for me the theory

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<v Speaker 2>that I put forward at the end of episode. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, now it's time for a quick outbreak. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>enough for that, Now back to the shore. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>Vitaly Kapusstin was murdered and it was shoddily covered up

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<v Speaker 2>by a police force that acts as an enforcement arm

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<v Speaker 2>for the district's corupt politicians and businessmen. And as I

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<v Speaker 2>was Sawce said, these bandits are swapped in and out

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<v Speaker 2>of Moscow and rewarded depending on how much money they

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<v Speaker 2>make this quasi deep state elite. Once again, all roads

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<v Speaker 2>lead to the Kremlin. Now let's get on with this

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<v Speaker 2>episode's case, the multi millionaire tycoon who found himself trapped

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<v Speaker 2>inside a Moscow gulak. July eighth, twenty twenty four, fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two year old oligarch Igor Katelnikov is in a bad

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<v Speaker 2>place mentally, physically, spiritually. Accused of fraud and embezzlement, He's

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<v Speaker 2>locked away in a dingy cell in a Moscow pre

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<v Speaker 2>trialed attention facility. These are considered some of the worst

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<v Speaker 2>prisoner apparatus in Russia. Conditions are absolutely horrendous. Overcrowding is

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<v Speaker 2>the main issue. Cells constructed for four people often hold

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen men at a time. They sleep in shifts

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<v Speaker 2>due to the lack of space that they can manage

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep at all. Humid, filthy, stinking in post trial

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<v Speaker 2>Russian prison colonies, inmates work outside, forced to do backbreaking labor.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe it or not, this is often preferred to the

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<v Speaker 2>nightmare of near twenty four hour lockup in pre trial detention.

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<v Speaker 2>Prisoners here get one hour outside the cell if they're lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Even then, it's a monotonous walk in a small concrete

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<v Speaker 2>courtyard with a mesh fence roof above. It's claustrophobic, it's

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<v Speaker 2>stifling back inside the overcrowded cell. The open toilets are

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<v Speaker 2>often overflowing or blocked. The stench of shit and piss

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<v Speaker 2>and sweat and blood disgusting cockroaches scutted across the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Rats are not uncommon either. Every crevice in the room

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<v Speaker 2>is a breeding ground for black mold and good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>If you get sick, there's no real doctor on site.

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<v Speaker 2>First aid is about as good as it gets. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the Sesspeit Katlnikov finds himself in. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>multi millionaire who's lived a very privileged life. He is

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<v Speaker 2>not built for this. He owns a fleet of expensive

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<v Speaker 2>foreign kaz As, serious upmarket real estate, first class flights,

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<v Speaker 2>expensive suits, find dining maids, drivers, the lot, the decay

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<v Speaker 2>and slow rot of overcrowded, sweaty jail cells is not

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<v Speaker 2>the five star treatment Katelnikov.

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<v Speaker 1>Is used to.

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<v Speaker 2>He's found himself in this predetention nightmare for messing around

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<v Speaker 2>with money that was meant to be sent to Russia's

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<v Speaker 2>war machine investment that will extend that Russia's massacre of

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<v Speaker 2>the people in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>Where have we heard before?

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<v Speaker 2>Kotolnikov paces up and down in this small space he

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<v Speaker 2>has in the grotty shared cell. Despite the conditions, he

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<v Speaker 2>is actually in good health. Before he went in, he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing fine. The authorities who put him here in

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<v Speaker 2>this pre trial pit went him to testify it against

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<v Speaker 2>a man called Tima Ivanov. He's a former deputy minister

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<v Speaker 2>of the Russian Department of Defense.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll learn more about him later.

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<v Speaker 2>Prison guard opens up the heavy iron door to the

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<v Speaker 2>rancid cell and calls for Kotlnikov to come with him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's taken to speak with someone more senior, not a

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<v Speaker 2>prison officer, but a lawmaker attached to the case. There's

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<v Speaker 2>pressure to snitch on Ivanov. They want him to get

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<v Speaker 2>up into that perspex witness box in the Russian court.

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<v Speaker 1>And tell all.

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<v Speaker 2>But for whatever reason, Katelnikov will not do it. He refuses,

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<v Speaker 2>point blank, He's not going to inform. He will not

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<v Speaker 2>stand up in that court and speak against Ivanov some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of punishment for this refusal. After the meeting, Katelnikov

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<v Speaker 2>is put into solitary confinement, small cell, no windows, no communication,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Katelnikov dies. This is literally all we know

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<v Speaker 2>about his death. There are no other details anywhere. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>is speaking. Did he die from the awful conditions some

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<v Speaker 2>and of health complication, or was he killed after being

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<v Speaker 2>put into solitary confinement. Katelnikov's role within what we'll discover

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<v Speaker 2>is a complicated web of military corruption leading all the

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<v Speaker 2>way to the Kremlin could quite likely be what got

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<v Speaker 2>his card punched. Avamurkachiva, a member of Russia's Presidential Council

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<v Speaker 2>for Human Rights, called the death suspicious and mentioned that

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<v Speaker 2>Katelnikov seemed to be in good health prior.

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<v Speaker 1>To his death.

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<v Speaker 2>Either way, July eighth was an especially unlucky day, as

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<v Speaker 2>another man involved in the Katelnikov case died on that

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<v Speaker 2>same date. What a coincidence. There's actually a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an underlying pattern that I've not really mentioned on sad Oligarch.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you put all the dates and locations of

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<v Speaker 2>these strange deaths into a mapping program, there are notable

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<v Speaker 2>clusters here and debth. That's not to say someone is

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<v Speaker 2>planning the deaths on certain dates or anything, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it does show there are potential links to these

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<v Speaker 2>dead oligarchs and their cronies that we've not quite worked

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<v Speaker 2>out yet. The elite network of the oligarch deep state

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<v Speaker 2>is quite a small world anyway. We'll get into the

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<v Speaker 2>Kotelnikov web of corruption in a bit, but first let's

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<v Speaker 2>establish who he really was. Let's talk to our friend Sergey.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know almost nothing at all about Kotelnikov's death

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<v Speaker 2>other than he was ushered away into solitary confinement after

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<v Speaker 2>refusing to give evidence against this Ivan offeler, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he died randomly dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what's kind of interesting, Like it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>seem like he has any kind of not background, Like

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<v Speaker 3>he's not, you know, a relative of anyone who's not

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<v Speaker 3>like some rich person's son. It kind of seems like

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<v Speaker 3>he he was the middleman for the military and like

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<v Speaker 3>different businesses, essentially running a fraud scheme. Like it almost

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<v Speaker 3>seems like he was an important till this thing happened, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and nobody kind of cared. And even in this story

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<v Speaker 3>he's kind of more so a witness for like the

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<v Speaker 3>higher military guys. Right, His main kind of prominence is

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<v Speaker 3>like he did he did a lot, right. He went

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<v Speaker 3>to the Bugalkov so ex deputy Minister of Defense. He

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<v Speaker 3>went to him, got him to give him different contracts.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like mostly in the food kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>logistics area, right, So not not particularly like weapons or

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that, but food rations for the military.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is where the fraud and embezzlement began, at

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<v Speaker 2>least for the case that landed Kotelnikov in jail. Who

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<v Speaker 2>knows what else he got away with before this. Now

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<v Speaker 2>he was already rich and up to no goods, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was kind of a nobody as far as go

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<v Speaker 2>until this. It doesn't seem he was on anyone's radar

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<v Speaker 2>still through his state contacts, from working on government projects

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<v Speaker 2>through his various businesses. Kotelnikov got a contract to supply

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<v Speaker 2>rations to Russian soldiers invading Ukraine. These rations are meant

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<v Speaker 2>to sustain soldiers for a day or two between supply

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<v Speaker 2>line runs whilst fighting in the trenches.

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<v Speaker 1>A typical ration pack.

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<v Speaker 2>For them includes canned meat, dry crackers, a bit of chocolate,

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<v Speaker 2>a bit fruit, a drink, and sometimes matches to get

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<v Speaker 2>field supply stoves going. At least that's what's meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be in their rations. There are multiple reports of Russian

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers tearing open their packs to find nowhere near the

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<v Speaker 2>right items, or not even having enough to go around.

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<v Speaker 2>This was happening even at the very start of the war. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, now it is time for a quick tagbreak.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, enough for that, Now back to the shop.

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<v Speaker 2>This from a twenty twenty two Reuter's article explains the issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote all soldiers on the front mentioned an acute shortage

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<v Speaker 2>of supplies. The sources described little or no safe drinking water,

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<v Speaker 2>field rations for one man being shared among several and

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<v Speaker 2>units having to scavenge for food. We drank water with

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<v Speaker 2>dead frogs in it, said a student conscript. Supplies for

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<v Speaker 2>the soldiers right now are a disaster. So the source

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<v Speaker 2>close to the don Yatsk separatist leadership, who spoke on

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<v Speaker 2>condition of anonymity. Neither the Kremlin nor the separatist authorities

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<v Speaker 2>replied to Reuter's questions about supplies and equipment for the

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<v Speaker 2>draftees from Dombas end quote. No surprise there. Honestly, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get why they didn't get rid of the frogs

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<v Speaker 2>in the water before they drank it, But anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a d n R four yea. As we can see,

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<v Speaker 2>issues with rations have been a serious problem throughout the invasion,

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<v Speaker 2>from the start to the present. Even so, what was

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<v Speaker 2>the full scam that Ktelnikov and several collaborators got caught

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<v Speaker 2>red handed in the middle of surgery explains.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty typical scheme. They do this in a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>industries with different products, but this one specifically seems like

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<v Speaker 3>they were responsible for getting rations for the Russian military.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually it would be like canned food, dry dry food

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<v Speaker 3>that can kind of last long, you know, typical military rations.

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<v Speaker 1>They were supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Delivering, from my understanding, canned beef and you know, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of process it and it kind of looks like a

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<v Speaker 3>very processed slop of meat. It's I mean, like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure it's better than nothing, but it's not great to

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<v Speaker 3>begin with. And what they were doing is, first they

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<v Speaker 3>were using cheaper materials. The biggest d of standout is

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<v Speaker 3>they were ordering beef, they were getting chicken instead, or

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<v Speaker 3>they were mixing other meats together to kind of reduce

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<v Speaker 3>the price that they had to pay right much cheaper

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<v Speaker 3>to get chicken than beef, especially this time. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>then some deliveries were just not making it. They were

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<v Speaker 3>basically doing everything they could to lower the price while

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<v Speaker 3>delivering the minimum, and they get to keep the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>The damages are one point three billion rubles. Let's say

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<v Speaker 3>they had contracts, and this was various contracts from the military,

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<v Speaker 3>not one giant contract. If they got all these contracts,

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<v Speaker 3>they can cut a little here, cut a little there,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, keep half the money if they if

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<v Speaker 3>they're good enough while making it seem like they're delivering

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<v Speaker 3>what they need to, they're fulfilling their orders and the

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<v Speaker 3>military is getting what it needs. You know, they're getting

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<v Speaker 3>these contracts from the military, so I'm sure whoever is

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<v Speaker 3>in charge can also kind of say like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we're good, we're getting what we need.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this bit is why, this is how the scam

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<v Speaker 2>became a full on conspiracy. Now, I know it's all

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<v Speaker 2>a bit confus using, so let me break it down

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<v Speaker 2>simply to make the chain work and to steal a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more money. Several people in the circle needed to

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<v Speaker 2>be involved in the same way as the people outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the circle. The circle in this case being the military.

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<v Speaker 2>Katolnikov needed people on the inside that were okay with

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<v Speaker 2>fucking over their own soldiers to make a buck. Turns

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<v Speaker 2>out there were plenty, So think of it this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Katnikov and his link into the military contract to supply

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<v Speaker 2>food for rations A, person A and B. They need

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<v Speaker 2>someone within the military to get the dodgy rations into

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<v Speaker 2>rotation and sign it all off without a hitch. This

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<v Speaker 2>is persons C. To keep the fraud going and pocket

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<v Speaker 2>bigger profits, they need all the i's dotted and all

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<v Speaker 2>the t's crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>For this.

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<v Speaker 2>They need a few people close to accounting and supply

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<v Speaker 2>to essentially forge documents, lie about money, keep everything moving.

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<v Speaker 2>This is person D, E, F and so on. A

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<v Speaker 2>chain is built up. The more people involved usually means

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<v Speaker 2>the less money to go around. But these people all

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<v Speaker 2>became a cog in the operation. Person DEE and F

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't make money without person A, B and C.

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<v Speaker 1>You get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone started making money by facilitating the supply of dodgy

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<v Speaker 2>food to soldiers who are sent out to fight a

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<v Speaker 2>war for Putin's megalamania and frantic paranoia. Honestly, I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>think of a more perfect situation to demonstrate the characteristics

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<v Speaker 2>of Putin's Russia in twenty twenty five. It's almost two

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<v Speaker 2>on the nose. I think something else was going on though,

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<v Speaker 2>as well, because, like you said, okay, his companies were

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<v Speaker 2>making like, you know, a collective maybe seven eight million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in US money, which is is good money, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Like fuck me, it's it's incredible. I wish I was

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<v Speaker 2>making money like that, but that doesn't really put you

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<v Speaker 2>at the oligarch states he was at. He had from

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<v Speaker 2>what I see, he had like a fleet of cars,

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<v Speaker 2>all this real estate, and I think the fact he's

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<v Speaker 2>involved in this case as well as we see he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing some kind of corruption, stealing from the government, stealing

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<v Speaker 2>from the military in the middle of you know, Russia's invasion,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a huge no no, as we've learned during

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<v Speaker 2>this series. That itself makes me think, well, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not his first rodeo. You know, his money has been

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<v Speaker 2>coming from somewhere else as well as these businesses, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>their front for something else. I don't know, it's just speculation,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think it's unreasonable.

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<v Speaker 1>No, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>If he's already kind of involved in this, right, he

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<v Speaker 3>clearly knows what he's doing. He knows people's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>what's interesting. I think a lot of these cases we

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<v Speaker 3>see politicians or somebody who's in some way has some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of power, whether they were on a committee of

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<v Speaker 3>like a regional office, or they were like some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of parliamentarian. Again, he kind of seems like the middleman,

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<v Speaker 3>and he kind of seems like maybe the domino that started,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a domino effect, because we see that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of multiple officers or like some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>military ranking guys start getting arrested or removed from their

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<v Speaker 3>offices following his arrest. So I don't know if there

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<v Speaker 3>was an investigation on going and then they kind of,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, started taking people out if he got arrested

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<v Speaker 3>and then he maybe sold somebody out or something, But

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<v Speaker 3>it definitely seems like he was doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the connecting, and I think he knew a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the I guess you could say operation maybe from there

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<v Speaker 3>that's where like the investigation is going on.

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<v Speaker 2>This case gets even more complicated and even more strange.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to break it down into two parts.

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