1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Media. Something strange is going on. Another member of the 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: Russian elite has been found dead. Reports suggests that he 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: fell out of a window poisoned with mushrooms. He died 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: of heart failure, died of carbon monoxide poisoning. How comesy 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: are they? 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: Dozens of Russian oligarchs, politically motivated millionaires have died in 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: the space for three years, most of them in suspicious circumstances. 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: Many have hidden links to the Kremlin. This is sad 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: Oligach season two, an ongoing investigation into these recently stead of. 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Russian power brokers. 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Sad Oligach is created by me jake Hanrahan and my 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: Ukrainian colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. This is a H eleven Studio 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: and Coolso Media production. Before we get into this episode, 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: tale of Death and Goulags, we have a bit of 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: an update from episode seven Hanged with hands bound. If 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: you remember, this was the case where businessmen and local 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: Putin politician Batally Kapustin was found hanged high up in 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: a tree and I witnessed said that his hands were 19 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: tied behind his back. Still, the police deemed it a suicide. 20 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: For that case, I went down the rabbit hole of 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: police corruption in the area where Kapustin was hanged, a 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: place called at Kresnador Cry. To be frank, it seems 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: to be one of the most corrupt regions in the 24 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: whole of Russia, and that saying something. I've kept looking 25 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: into the case, and there seems to be a big 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: issue with strange murders, organized crime and state embezzlement all 27 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: in this one area. So I reached out through a 28 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: source in Russia who's involved in documenting the Krasnodar Kry underworld. 29 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: He was going to come on to sad Oligak to 30 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: speak about it, but it was perhaps a little bit 31 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: too risky for him, even under anonymity. It's understandable. He did, though, 32 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: send us a sort of statement or overview of how 33 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: he understands the corruption in Kresnal door Kry. We translated 34 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: this all from Russian and I'm going to read it 35 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: out here in full, as I think it adds some 36 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: great context to the mysterious death of Vitally Kapustin. The 37 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: following is from our anonymous source in Russia. 38 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Quote. 39 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: Since Soviet times, Krasnal door Kry has held a special 40 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: place within Russia's law enforcement system. 41 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: The reason is simple. 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: The country's main results are here, and that's where the 43 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: entire political and security elite go on holiday with their families. 44 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: Their holidays are arranged and facilitated by local officials, police, businessmen, fixers, 45 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: and so on. If you organize a good stay for 46 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: an important guest from Moscow, you're immediately welcomed into the 47 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: inner circle. From that point on, you don't really answer 48 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: to local leadership, but to whichever Moscow official took a 49 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: liking to you. Depending on the guests rank, a local 50 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: bureaucrat or security official can essentially become untouchable with guaranteed 51 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: career advancement. Complaining about them at the local level is 52 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: pointless and often useless. Even at the federal level, this 53 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: dynamic produces chosen ones who feel free to do whatever 54 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: they want. There was even a period when many law 55 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: enforcement personnel from Cresnal door Cry were relocated to Moscow. 56 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: For example, Vladimir Yakovenko, a prosecutor from Sochi, jumped from 57 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: Krasnodor Krei into the presidential administration, then went on to 58 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: head the main investigative directorate of the Investigative Committee in 59 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: Moscow and is now head of Rossi Mushestvo. When he 60 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: was running Moscow's Investigative Directorate, his deputy was another Krasnada native, 61 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: Sergei Senagovski, the son of former Nova Rossiisk mayor Vladimir 62 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: senor Goovsky. Senorgovski ended up involved in a major corruption 63 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: scandal involving bribing Investigative Committee officials to free the crime 64 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: boss Andrei Kotchukov, known as the Italian All its colleagues 65 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: were jailed, but Senyorgovsky got away with just being fired. 66 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: You can also recall the Sapok gang, which terrorized Kuzhnyajovskaya 67 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: for many years and eventually murdered twelve people, including small children. 68 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: During the investigation, it was proven that all law enforcement 69 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: officials in the prisonage of Skaya district were receiving money 70 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: from the gang, yet none of them went to prison. 71 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: Many actually built successful careers. Another example from Krasnodor Krii 72 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: is the well known fixer Andre Mattis, who handles problems 73 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: between law enforcement and business. He reached the federal level 74 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: after organizing holidays in Sochi for FSB officers. Two men 75 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: who controlled the entire judicial system of Krasnodor Krii for 76 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: many years became billionaires. Former head of the Krasnodar Regional 77 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: Court Alexander Shnov and Supreme Court Judge Victor Momotov their 78 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: assets worth tens of billions and now being seized. But 79 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: this isn't an anti corruption drive. It's simply a change 80 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: of ruling clans in Moscow, where one group of corrupt 81 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: officials is being replaced by another. An ordinary person has 82 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: a very little chance of getting justice in the Krasnodor 83 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: Krei region because police, prosecutors and judges often work together. 84 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: For years, there's been a corruption slash criminal alliance involving 85 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: Amen Aretagnan, first deputy head of the Criminal Investigation Department 86 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: of the Regional Interior Ministry and Vladimir Kishlak, former head 87 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: of the Civil Division of the Krasnodar Regional Court. Despite 88 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: his position, Atonian Wield's enormous influence over the whole Interior 89 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: Ministry apparatus in the region, and Kishlak still maintains control 90 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: over the regional court. Duo controls key processes the opening 91 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: and closure of criminal cases in the investigative committee, obtaining 92 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: the right decisions in court, corporate raids, an extortion target 93 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: in business people and citizens across the Cuban area. With 94 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: such mutual protection, real miracles can occur, such as outright 95 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: murder being passed off as suicide. One example is the 96 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: case of Constantine Pliganoff, an FSB captain in Komisk Non 97 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: for fighting corruption. He'd been working on a case against 98 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: the head of the Comisk district, Surgey Less. In July 99 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, Pliganov's body was found in the reeds 100 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: of Lake Tuscan Skuoya, with his legs tied and a 101 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: bullet in the back of his head. It was declared 102 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: an unusual suicide. Recently, Les was arrested on corruption charges 103 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: after attempting to flee with gold bars cast in the 104 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: shape of railway nails and painted black end quote. I 105 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: think it's safe to say our initial suspicions about the 106 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: Capustin case were definitely not paranoia. The statement I just 107 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: read out is backed with a ton of investigative work 108 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: that our anonymous source has spent a long time on. 109 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: Needless to say, the Kresnal Door Crier corruption issues are 110 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: by no means new. What I find most interesting about that, though, 111 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: was the last bit about the death of Konstantine Pluganov 112 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: in the Kersnal door Kryt region. That's the FSB officer 113 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: who was apparently genuinely trying to fight corruption in the area, 114 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: a very hard task knowing what we know now. He 115 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: was found dead in shallow waters with a bullet in 116 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: the back of his head, both legs tied together with rope. 117 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: The police calling. 118 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: Pluganov's death and unusual suicide almost feels like a very 119 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: macab in joke. Now it seems he committed suicide the 120 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: same way a CIA whistleblower might commit suicide. Shot in 121 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: the back of the skull. The suicide thesis obviously does 122 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: not add up. 123 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: Now. 124 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: Both Kapustin and Pluganov were found dead in the same region. 125 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 2: The two areas are roughly three hours drive away from 126 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: each other, but the police in those areas answer to 127 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: the same boss, and both are accused of extreme corruption. 128 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: All this new information only reinforces for me the theory 129 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: that I put forward at the end of episode. Okay, 130 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: all right, now it's time for a quick outbreak. All right, 131 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: enough for that, Now back to the shore. I believe 132 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 2: Vitaly Kapusstin was murdered and it was shoddily covered up 133 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: by a police force that acts as an enforcement arm 134 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: for the district's corupt politicians and businessmen. And as I 135 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: was Sawce said, these bandits are swapped in and out 136 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: of Moscow and rewarded depending on how much money they 137 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: make this quasi deep state elite. Once again, all roads 138 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: lead to the Kremlin. Now let's get on with this 139 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: episode's case, the multi millionaire tycoon who found himself trapped 140 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: inside a Moscow gulak. July eighth, twenty twenty four, fifty 141 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: two year old oligarch Igor Katelnikov is in a bad 142 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: place mentally, physically, spiritually. Accused of fraud and embezzlement, He's 143 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: locked away in a dingy cell in a Moscow pre 144 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: trialed attention facility. These are considered some of the worst 145 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: prisoner apparatus in Russia. Conditions are absolutely horrendous. Overcrowding is 146 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: the main issue. Cells constructed for four people often hold 147 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: a dozen men at a time. They sleep in shifts 148 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: due to the lack of space that they can manage 149 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: to sleep at all. Humid, filthy, stinking in post trial 150 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: Russian prison colonies, inmates work outside, forced to do backbreaking labor. 151 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: Believe it or not, this is often preferred to the 152 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: nightmare of near twenty four hour lockup in pre trial detention. 153 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: Prisoners here get one hour outside the cell if they're lucky. 154 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: Even then, it's a monotonous walk in a small concrete 155 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: courtyard with a mesh fence roof above. It's claustrophobic, it's 156 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: stifling back inside the overcrowded cell. The open toilets are 157 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: often overflowing or blocked. The stench of shit and piss 158 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: and sweat and blood disgusting cockroaches scutted across the floor. 159 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: Rats are not uncommon either. Every crevice in the room 160 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: is a breeding ground for black mold and good luck. 161 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: If you get sick, there's no real doctor on site. 162 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: First aid is about as good as it gets. This 163 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: is the Sesspeit Katlnikov finds himself in. He is a 164 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: multi millionaire who's lived a very privileged life. He is 165 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: not built for this. He owns a fleet of expensive 166 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: foreign kaz As, serious upmarket real estate, first class flights, 167 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: expensive suits, find dining maids, drivers, the lot, the decay 168 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: and slow rot of overcrowded, sweaty jail cells is not 169 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: the five star treatment Katelnikov. 170 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: Is used to. 171 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: He's found himself in this predetention nightmare for messing around 172 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: with money that was meant to be sent to Russia's 173 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: war machine investment that will extend that Russia's massacre of 174 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: the people in Ukraine. 175 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: Where have we heard before? 176 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: Kotolnikov paces up and down in this small space he 177 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 2: has in the grotty shared cell. Despite the conditions, he 178 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 2: is actually in good health. Before he went in, he 179 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: was doing fine. The authorities who put him here in 180 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: this pre trial pit went him to testify it against 181 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: a man called Tima Ivanov. He's a former deputy minister 182 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: of the Russian Department of Defense. 183 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: We'll learn more about him later. 184 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: Prison guard opens up the heavy iron door to the 185 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: rancid cell and calls for Kotlnikov to come with him. 186 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: He's taken to speak with someone more senior, not a 187 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: prison officer, but a lawmaker attached to the case. There's 188 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: pressure to snitch on Ivanov. They want him to get 189 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: up into that perspex witness box in the Russian court. 190 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: And tell all. 191 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, Katelnikov will not do it. He refuses, 192 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: point blank, He's not going to inform. He will not 193 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: stand up in that court and speak against Ivanov some 194 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: kind of punishment for this refusal. After the meeting, Katelnikov 195 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: is put into solitary confinement, small cell, no windows, no communication, 196 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: and then Katelnikov dies. This is literally all we know 197 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: about his death. There are no other details anywhere. Nobody 198 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: is speaking. Did he die from the awful conditions some 199 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: and of health complication, or was he killed after being 200 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: put into solitary confinement. Katelnikov's role within what we'll discover 201 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: is a complicated web of military corruption leading all the 202 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: way to the Kremlin could quite likely be what got 203 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: his card punched. Avamurkachiva, a member of Russia's Presidential Council 204 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: for Human Rights, called the death suspicious and mentioned that 205 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: Katelnikov seemed to be in good health prior. 206 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: To his death. 207 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: Either way, July eighth was an especially unlucky day, as 208 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: another man involved in the Katelnikov case died on that 209 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: same date. What a coincidence. There's actually a bit of 210 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: an underlying pattern that I've not really mentioned on sad Oligarch. 211 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: But if you put all the dates and locations of 212 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: these strange deaths into a mapping program, there are notable 213 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: clusters here and debth. That's not to say someone is 214 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: planning the deaths on certain dates or anything, but I 215 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: think it does show there are potential links to these 216 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: dead oligarchs and their cronies that we've not quite worked 217 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 2: out yet. The elite network of the oligarch deep state 218 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: is quite a small world anyway. We'll get into the 219 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 2: Kotelnikov web of corruption in a bit, but first let's 220 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: establish who he really was. Let's talk to our friend Sergey. 221 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: So we know almost nothing at all about Kotelnikov's death 222 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: other than he was ushered away into solitary confinement after 223 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: refusing to give evidence against this Ivan offeler, and then 224 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: he died randomly dead. 225 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: Don't know anything else. 226 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: I think that's what's kind of interesting, Like it doesn't 227 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 3: seem like he has any kind of not background, Like 228 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 3: he's not, you know, a relative of anyone who's not 229 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: like some rich person's son. It kind of seems like 230 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: he he was the middleman for the military and like 231 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: different businesses, essentially running a fraud scheme. Like it almost 232 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 3: seems like he was an important till this thing happened, right, 233 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 3: and nobody kind of cared. And even in this story 234 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 3: he's kind of more so a witness for like the 235 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: higher military guys. Right, His main kind of prominence is 236 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: like he did he did a lot, right. He went 237 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: to the Bugalkov so ex deputy Minister of Defense. He 238 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: went to him, got him to give him different contracts. 239 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: It seems like mostly in the food kind of like 240 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 3: logistics area, right, So not not particularly like weapons or 241 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 3: anything like that, but food rations for the military. 242 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: So this is where the fraud and embezzlement began, at 243 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: least for the case that landed Kotelnikov in jail. Who 244 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: knows what else he got away with before this. Now 245 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: he was already rich and up to no goods, but 246 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: he was kind of a nobody as far as go 247 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: until this. It doesn't seem he was on anyone's radar 248 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: still through his state contacts, from working on government projects 249 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: through his various businesses. Kotelnikov got a contract to supply 250 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: rations to Russian soldiers invading Ukraine. These rations are meant 251 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: to sustain soldiers for a day or two between supply 252 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: line runs whilst fighting in the trenches. 253 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: A typical ration pack. 254 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: For them includes canned meat, dry crackers, a bit of chocolate, 255 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: a bit fruit, a drink, and sometimes matches to get 256 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: field supply stoves going. At least that's what's meant to 257 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: be in their rations. There are multiple reports of Russian 258 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: soldiers tearing open their packs to find nowhere near the 259 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: right items, or not even having enough to go around. 260 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: This was happening even at the very start of the war. Okay, 261 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: all right, now it is time for a quick tagbreak. 262 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: All right, enough for that, Now back to the shop. 263 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: This from a twenty twenty two Reuter's article explains the issues. 264 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: Quote all soldiers on the front mentioned an acute shortage 265 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: of supplies. The sources described little or no safe drinking water, 266 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: field rations for one man being shared among several and 267 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: units having to scavenge for food. We drank water with 268 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: dead frogs in it, said a student conscript. Supplies for 269 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: the soldiers right now are a disaster. So the source 270 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: close to the don Yatsk separatist leadership, who spoke on 271 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 2: condition of anonymity. Neither the Kremlin nor the separatist authorities 272 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: replied to Reuter's questions about supplies and equipment for the 273 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 2: draftees from Dombas end quote. No surprise there. Honestly, I 274 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: don't get why they didn't get rid of the frogs 275 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: in the water before they drank it, But anyway, that's 276 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: a d n R four yea. As we can see, 277 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: issues with rations have been a serious problem throughout the invasion, 278 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: from the start to the present. Even so, what was 279 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: the full scam that Ktelnikov and several collaborators got caught 280 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: red handed in the middle of surgery explains. 281 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 3: Pretty typical scheme. They do this in a lot of 282 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: industries with different products, but this one specifically seems like 283 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 3: they were responsible for getting rations for the Russian military. 284 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 3: Usually it would be like canned food, dry dry food 285 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 3: that can kind of last long, you know, typical military rations. 286 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: They were supposed to be. 287 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 3: Delivering, from my understanding, canned beef and you know, kind 288 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 3: of process it and it kind of looks like a 289 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 3: very processed slop of meat. It's I mean, like, I'm 290 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: sure it's better than nothing, but it's not great to 291 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: begin with. And what they were doing is, first they 292 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: were using cheaper materials. The biggest d of standout is 293 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 3: they were ordering beef, they were getting chicken instead, or 294 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 3: they were mixing other meats together to kind of reduce 295 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 3: the price that they had to pay right much cheaper 296 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 3: to get chicken than beef, especially this time. I'm sure 297 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 3: then some deliveries were just not making it. They were 298 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: basically doing everything they could to lower the price while 299 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: delivering the minimum, and they get to keep the difference. 300 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: The damages are one point three billion rubles. Let's say 301 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: they had contracts, and this was various contracts from the military, 302 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 3: not one giant contract. If they got all these contracts, 303 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: they can cut a little here, cut a little there, 304 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: and you know, keep half the money if they if 305 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: they're good enough while making it seem like they're delivering 306 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: what they need to, they're fulfilling their orders and the 307 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: military is getting what it needs. You know, they're getting 308 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: these contracts from the military, so I'm sure whoever is 309 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: in charge can also kind of say like, yeah, yeah, 310 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: we're good, we're getting what we need. 311 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: Now this bit is why, this is how the scam 312 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: became a full on conspiracy. Now, I know it's all 313 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: a bit confus using, so let me break it down 314 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: simply to make the chain work and to steal a 315 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: lot more money. Several people in the circle needed to 316 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: be involved in the same way as the people outside 317 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: of the circle. The circle in this case being the military. 318 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: Katolnikov needed people on the inside that were okay with 319 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: fucking over their own soldiers to make a buck. Turns 320 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: out there were plenty, So think of it this way. 321 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: Katnikov and his link into the military contract to supply 322 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: food for rations A, person A and B. They need 323 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: someone within the military to get the dodgy rations into 324 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 2: rotation and sign it all off without a hitch. This 325 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: is persons C. To keep the fraud going and pocket 326 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: bigger profits, they need all the i's dotted and all 327 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: the t's crossed. 328 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: For this. 329 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: They need a few people close to accounting and supply 330 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: to essentially forge documents, lie about money, keep everything moving. 331 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: This is person D, E, F and so on. A 332 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: chain is built up. The more people involved usually means 333 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: the less money to go around. But these people all 334 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: became a cog in the operation. Person DEE and F 335 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: wouldn't make money without person A, B and C. 336 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: You get it. 337 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: Everyone started making money by facilitating the supply of dodgy 338 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 2: food to soldiers who are sent out to fight a 339 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: war for Putin's megalamania and frantic paranoia. Honestly, I cannot 340 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: think of a more perfect situation to demonstrate the characteristics 341 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: of Putin's Russia in twenty twenty five. It's almost two 342 00:24:52,560 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: on the nose. I think something else was going on though, 343 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: as well, because, like you said, okay, his companies were 344 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: making like, you know, a collective maybe seven eight million 345 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 2: dollars in US money, which is is good money, obviously, 346 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: Like fuck me, it's it's incredible. I wish I was 347 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: making money like that, but that doesn't really put you 348 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: at the oligarch states he was at. He had from 349 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: what I see, he had like a fleet of cars, 350 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: all this real estate, and I think the fact he's 351 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: involved in this case as well as we see he's 352 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 2: doing some kind of corruption, stealing from the government, stealing 353 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: from the military in the middle of you know, Russia's invasion, 354 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: which is a huge no no, as we've learned during 355 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: this series. That itself makes me think, well, this is 356 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: not his first rodeo. You know, his money has been 357 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: coming from somewhere else as well as these businesses, perhaps 358 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: their front for something else. I don't know, it's just speculation, 359 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: but I don't think it's unreasonable. 360 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: No, one hundred percent. 361 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: If he's already kind of involved in this, right, he 362 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 3: clearly knows what he's doing. He knows people's kind of 363 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: what's interesting. I think a lot of these cases we 364 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: see politicians or somebody who's in some way has some 365 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 3: kind of power, whether they were on a committee of 366 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: like a regional office, or they were like some kind 367 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: of parliamentarian. Again, he kind of seems like the middleman, 368 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 3: and he kind of seems like maybe the domino that started, 369 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 3: kind of like a domino effect, because we see that 370 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: a lot of multiple officers or like some kind of 371 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 3: military ranking guys start getting arrested or removed from their 372 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 3: offices following his arrest. So I don't know if there 373 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 3: was an investigation on going and then they kind of, 374 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: you know, started taking people out if he got arrested 375 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: and then he maybe sold somebody out or something, But 376 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: it definitely seems like he was doing a lot of 377 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: the connecting, and I think he knew a lot of 378 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: the I guess you could say operation maybe from there 379 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 3: that's where like the investigation is going on. 380 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: This case gets even more complicated and even more strange. 381 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: So I'm going to break it down into two parts. 382 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: This is part of Next Week, Part two. 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