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Speaker 3: Welcome to Welcome to the Just Baseball Show. It is

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Speaker 3: October fifth, Wednesday. Welcome to the mail bag. That's our lady.

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Speaker 3: I'm Peter Apple. Before we get into all the questions, first,

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Speaker 3: thank you for asking them on our Twitter at just

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Speaker 3: bb Media and on our Instagram at Just Baseball Show.

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Speaker 3: We are on tattoo watch. We are on tattoo watch.

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Speaker 3: Caw Quantrill makes his last start of the season for

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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Guardians against the Kansas City Royals. Currently City

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Speaker 3: with a three four two ERA. All he has to

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Speaker 3: do is stay below three point five and aram will

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Speaker 3: be inked for the rest of time. Arm. How are

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Speaker 3: you feeling on this Tuesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know, I.

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Speaker 1: I fully went into today with the full like just

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Speaker 1: my plan was I am not watching this game, and

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Speaker 1: I made plans to spend the evening with my girlfriend

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Speaker 1: and her new dog. And I'm like, I'm gonna tune

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Speaker 1: this shit out and if I wake up or I

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Speaker 1: get enough text of like oh my goodness, cal Quantrill

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Speaker 1: shit to bed, then I'll be happy. But mentally, I

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Speaker 1: thought about watching it with you, Peter. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I can handle that.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it'd be good for our friendship.

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Speaker 1: I just I just can't believe that this motherfucker is

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Speaker 3: He's been indoubled it and he's earned every single second

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Speaker 3: of it. I'm still in between whether I'm gonna get

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Speaker 3: a tattoo with you. I think if he shoves again,

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Speaker 3: do you know in his last sixteen starts, if you

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Speaker 3: bet Guardians money line, that doesn't mean cow pitch all

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Speaker 3: that great, or you know, sometimes there was no decision

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Speaker 3: you would be fifteen and one. Name a better system

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Speaker 3: in sports than that Home starts fourteen and four and

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Speaker 3: we have plenty of questions, including ranking the best rotations

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Again, this is the mailbag. We have

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Speaker 3: plenty of questions to go over. We're gonna be talking

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Speaker 3: starting pitching. We're gonna be talking about the guy behind

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Speaker 3: me show Heyo Tony, whether he might get traded or not.

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Speaker 3: Plenty of questions. Should we just get straded into it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, One last thing on this.

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Speaker 1: I never thought I'd get a tattoo in my life

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Speaker 1: and the fact that the cal quantro too will likely

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Speaker 1: to imagine, like sixty years from now when I'm like

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's why I got

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Speaker 1: that thing. Because cal Quantrell, who finished his career with

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Speaker 1: that's the part that sucks. We're gonna talk about postseason rotations.

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Speaker 1: You made the brankings and then I agreed with them

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Speaker 1: We'll get into it fighting. Cal Quantrill's are nowhere near

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Speaker 1: the top of the postseason rotations, and he's a big

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate it here.

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Speaker 3: It's all semantics. You know what we should do? We

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Speaker 3: should we should get you know, kind of like friendship bracelets,

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be like I've been. You love him every move,

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Speaker 3: every fifth day, cal you love him.

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Speaker 1: Legitimately contemplating in my head, do I want Cole to

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Speaker 3: Because Cory Seeker got the ten year deal right he

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Speaker 3: And we really talked about this guy in the X

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Speaker 1: Torkosen is going to bounce back, and he's shown some

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Speaker 1: signs of life. Trek Scuba will be healthy. Like you said,

434
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: Matt Mannon's showing good things. But I don't even believe

435
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 1: in a healthy casey miies that much, and I do

436
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: wonder how they're going to piece together the rotation in

437
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: the shorter term. Long term, they have a lot of

438
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 1: pieces that I think could come up and help them.

439
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised at all. I give slight edge

440
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 1: to the team with the two Hall of famers basically

441
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 1: on their roster and finally a half decent far system,

442
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be surprised if Scott Harris can get

443
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 1: this organization right and help them put it together here.

444
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 3: I like it. Let's talk about our third question. This

445
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 3: one's a fun one. If Jack, arm and Peter all

446
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 3: played baseball through college and we're drafted, what current major

447
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: league players would be each of your comparisons. We'll do

448
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 3: both of us, but let's workshop Jack first. The first

449
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 3: name that came to my mind for Jack was Richard

450
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 3: Blier with the I just feel like that's a perfect comp.

451
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 3: You know, command first guy doesn't have the stuff to

452
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 3: wow you. An occasional bock will get angry. What do

453
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: you think about Richard Blier for Jack? Because we can

454
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: Mark Hurley, but do you think he's not Mark? Oh?

455
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: And it was current current?

456
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,119
Speaker 3: Do you ki Kiki is technically current.

457
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: That?

458
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: I think the VLAs are about the same there too.

459
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: I would say Blyer is a good one because Blyers

460
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 1: also really smart and like a little bit nerdy, and

461
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: I think that fits it too. I was gonna say

462
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 1: Braxton Garrett very boring, tick.

463
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 3: It with Miami.

464
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just thicking with my boring Miami lefties. Yeah,

465
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: and just basically any boring lefty you want, giving him

466
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: Marius not Aaron, he throws too weird. I like Richard Blyer.

467
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: I think that's the best. I think that's the best comp.

468
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: Richard Blyer ground ball guy, super boring but gets outs

469
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: and just just finds ways to get outs and box sometimes.

470
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 3: Cal Quantrill esque, except Cale Quantril's a goat. So here's

471
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: how I comped it so I was a submarine pitcher

472
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 3: because I broke my elbow and I had to throw

473
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: from down here because it was the only way without

474
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: my elbow getting destroyed. But then I also played first base,

475
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 3: didn't have any power, didn't have any speed, but bath

476
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: to ball was crazy hit three seventy in high school.

477
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: Not trying to brag, but I am trying to brag

478
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: because that's the point of the question. The way, I

479
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: kind of thought about who my comp is at first

480
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: because I'm like, who is a slow first baseman who

481
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: was really good defensively, who doesn't.

482
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: Have a really good defensively too?

483
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 3: I was really good defensively. Okay, some people called me

484
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 3: the pick master, you know that is what it is.

485
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 3: So I kind of I comped myself as an Evan

486
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 3: White Steve compo, which would be an elect baseball player.

487
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: Imagine you have Evan White coming in for first base,

488
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 3: who can pick it like nobody's business. Not fast? Is

489
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: he fast? No way he's fast?

490
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: For he's fast for a first baseman.

491
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I was thinking about first base that who

492
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: doesn't hit, and then Steve she sek great career multiple

493
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: different teams, so it's like it's like the.

494
00:23:53,520 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: Walmart O Taani just submarine reliever glove first first baseman combination.

495
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: It's pretty electric.

496
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: Pretty electric. I mean a team could use one of those.

497
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, absolutely.

498
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: Imagine Evan White. You know he goes over four. No,

499
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: he goes over three with a walk. I had great

500
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 3: play discipline. No, you know what, I'm giving myself one

501
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 3: for three of the walk, but it's a single. And

502
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: then in the eighth inning he comes in from first.

503
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: And just gives you a hold.

504
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: I hit my pitches for my problem a little bit.

505
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 3: So hit batsman a walk, gets a double play, and

506
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: then gets a fly out.

507
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: Gets the hold, gets the sports.

508
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 3: That's that's a player that's needed.

509
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's coming to somebody. Somebody like that

510
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: is on the way.

511
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: Brandon McKay.

512
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: Maybe that actually legit could be Brandon McKay. He's on

513
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: his way to that.

514
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 3: The only reason I say Bretta McKay is because at

515
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: Louisville I remember him having stupid juice at the plate.

516
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: Oh he's got crazy power, crazy. I want him to

517
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: hit so bad. I wanted to scraped the pitching thing.

518
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: His arms about to fall off.

519
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: Bro just rake, he just raked in the acc raked Louisville.

520
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: Who's your player cop?

521
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you know.

522
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: This was one that was actually given to me by

523
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: our our guy, Klay Snowden.

524
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: And I think I've got a lean into this one.

525
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: Honestly. It's Luis Renhifoh. So I was a switch hitter

526
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: who played. I switched, who played every position like that.

527
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: Our team was Our team was nasty, and I wanted

528
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: to stay in the lineup. And the way to stay

529
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: in the lineup, you know, when you have seven Division

530
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: one commits and through four draftees, was fucking play everywhere.

531
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: So that's what I did.

532
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: I played everywhere I possibly could, and that was third, second, left, right,

533
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: sometimes first base if they needed me to. Renhifo is

534
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: recorded ninety eight starts at second, thirty seven starts at third,

535
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: nineteen starts at short, which they never put me there,

536
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: five and right and one and left. He has above

537
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: average speed, which I think before the hip went I

538
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: could at least give you that, and sneaky pop I did.

539
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: I did have four homers sneaky pop. So uh, I'll

540
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: take the Luis Randipo comp. The one thing I will

541
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: say is I did walk a lot. He does not walk.

542
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: You're a better version of Louis Renhefo.

543
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: You're saying slightly less power, more patience is what I would.

544
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: Say, argue, so you'd have a higher WRC plus.

545
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, higher WRC plus less impact.

546
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: I like it. Give me, give me just like a

547
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: terrible player that because I you know, I could have

548
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: been nicer.

549
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't that good on base percentage?

550
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not very good. I feel like he's been

551
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: good this year, is he not?

552
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: He has been pretty good, though he has seventeen pumps.

553
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: That was too much. I'm trying to think there's not

554
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: that many like shitty switch hitters. That's my problem. I'd

555
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: love to pick someone shitty. Trust me, you know what

556
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm show. Hey, you're Jose Rameris.

557
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: Is that good?

558
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: I mean ren Hefo is like pretty fucking boring.

559
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: He's good, though, ish. Let's move on it. Top three hundred.

560
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: I didn't realize it was that low. Okay, this is

561
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: a really good one. For the next five years. Who

562
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: do you think will be at the top of each division?

563
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: Given prospect pools, free agent signing ability, et cetera. Let's start.

564
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: We always start with the American League East. Let's start

565
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: out west in the National League to make it real

566
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: easy for US National League West. I'm going with the

567
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Dodgers. They have all the money in the world,

568
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: they have the best farm system, and they have won

569
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: one hundred and ten games this year without Walker Buller

570
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: and pretty much Dustin May for the entire season. Easiest

571
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: answer Los Angeles Dodgers. Hate to do it, but what

572
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: am I going to say? It's Los Angeles Dodgers. Do

573
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 3: you have any argument for anybody else?

574
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: No, wish. I wish we could be more interesting on

575
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: that one, but absolutely not.

576
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: And El Central this is where it gets kind of interesting.

577
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: I still will side with the Saint Louis Cardinals because

578
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: you look at the Cardinals right now, and who are

579
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: their best players, right It's Paul gold Smid, It's Nolan Aronado,

580
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: but they've gotten so much productivity from the young guys,

581
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan. I know Tyler O'Neil has not been that

582
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: great this year, but I think we have full fate

583
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: that he'll bounce back next here. He's also dealt with

584
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: some injuries this year, so I'm not going to hold

585
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: it totally against him, and they have Jordan Walker coming up,

586
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: they have other arms, you know, even Nolan Gorman could

587
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: be something for them. And then in their rotation it's

588
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 3: headlined by Adam Wainwright, but you have some younger pitchers

589
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: in there, and then the bullpen is still good and

590
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: the Cardinals are always good, and I think that's the

591
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: safe pick here. You know, there's a lot of teams

592
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: in the National League Central that have really, really good

593
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: farm systems, but still currently they are far off. Do

594
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: you think, because we're also talking in five years, do

595
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: you think that anyone could overtake the Colonels in five years?

596
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: So I'll start with why I like the Cardinals as

597
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: the pick, and then I'll make the case for why.

598
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: You know, maybe the Brewers.

599
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: Can still sneak into this conversation, or maybe the Chicago Cubs,

600
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: But starting with just why, I think the Cardinals are

601
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: going to be good for a very long time and

602
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: we'll be able to just consistently remain solid.

603
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: Look at their outfield depth.

604
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: You talk about some of the guys already, but how

605
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: about twenty four year old wires Nubar Has who has

606
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: really kind of kicked things into another gear one twenty

607
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: four WRC plus two point six four and one hundred

608
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: and six games. I still believe in Dylan Carlson. I

609
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: still think he's going to be better than what we've seen.

610
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: But even with the struggles this year, two point five

611
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: f four the season and he's been really just not

612
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: great at all. I think that's somebody that will continue

613
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: to get better. He's still young at twenty three years old.

614
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: Tyler O'Neil.

615
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: So that's the thing with Carlson. Even at his worst,

616
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: he's such a good defender. It's kind of like what

617
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: you talk about with prospects that at their worst, like

618
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: why I think they're going to be a big leaguer.

619
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: You talked about Drew Jones, Like at his worst, he's

620
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: one of the better defensive outfielders in the game. We

621
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: just can't hit, Like, this is the worst Dylan Carlson

622
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: we're going to see. Because there are a few players

623
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: who I want tracking baseballs out there in center over

624
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 3: Dylan Carlson, and if he hits, it's just a bonus.

625
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: And I do think he's gonna hit.

626
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: So that's a great one one hundred percent. I mean

627
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: we're talking about the low end here.

628
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: This is the worst still in Carlson one O two

629
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: WRC plus two point five F four Like I'm in

630
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: on that. You mentioned Brandon Donovan, that guy can play

631
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: all over for you. Jordan Walker's on the way, Mason

632
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: Wins on the way. Gordon Rerisefo, a really good pitching

633
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: prospect on our top one hundred list, is on the way.

634
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: I love Yepez as well.

635
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: I think that guy's going to mash Albert Poohl's gushes

636
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: about him, like they have so much depth and we're

637
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: not even mentioning Nolan Gorman, who's gonna come back up

638
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: and be a factor next year as well. They have

639
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: too many irons in the fire. This team's just gonna

640
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: it's built for a sustainable success. But look at the

641
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Brewers and what they have currently. I know this

642
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: team fizzled out. I go ahead real quick, what was it? No?

643
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, before you just move on to the we had

644
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: a lot of questions too about you know, when Weno leaves,

645
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: when pool Holes leaves, when Yachti leaves, Like who's going

646
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: to fill in for them? Ivan Area is on the

647
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: top one hundred as a catching prospect. Yeah, he hasn't

648
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: really made big league impacts yet. Kind of like a

649
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: Luise Campisano, which is guys that sometimes you pull up

650
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: really early and it's almost that prospect fatigue, right if

651
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: they don't show up immediately, that you kind of just

652
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: push him to the side. But Ivan Herrera still has

653
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: a ton of ton of potential too. Oh yeah, like

654
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: and Alec Burleson even at first base, like for Tucking

655
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: Pools leaving Alec Burlson like it was one of the

656
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: best hitters in the minor leagues this season. So again

657
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: to your point, so many irons in the fire, But

658
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: definitely talk about the Brewers.

659
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again yeah, they have other pitchers too that

660
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: people don't even realize the are gonna come up and

661
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: help them. But the Brewers there is still a good team.

662
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: We know the rotation is solid, we know the bullpen.

663
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: They're another team that always seems to put it together there.

664
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: But I love their prospects that are all very close

665
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: to big league ready. You look at our top one

666
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: hundred list, they've got several guys that are all either

667
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: Triple A or close to it.

668
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: You got South Freelick.

669
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Who hit three point thirty or something like that in

670
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: Triple A, speedy outfielder who should be up next year.

671
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: You have Bryce Trureng who raked in Triple A, shortstop,

672
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: elite defender. He should be ready next year. Joey Weimer,

673
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: crushed in Triple A, also should be big league ready

674
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: next year, huge power, he's an outfielder. Is stuy Ruiz

675
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: who they just acquired outfielder, crushed in Triple A and

676
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: stole a five bases. Robert Gasser who they acquired, shoved

677
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: in trip away lefty pitcher as well. Like, they've got

678
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: tons of reinforcements coming, and it's not like the big

679
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: league team's bad at all. And then just shout out

680
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: to the Cubs for what they're building. They've got a

681
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: really good system. They're a little bit further off. But

682
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: if it all goes right for the Brewers, and that's

683
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: not even mentioning Jackson Chorio, who's a top fifteen prospect

684
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: in baseball, they could easily put together a really exciting

685
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: team and rival with the Cardinals in a year or two.

686
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: And the Reds and the Pirates, you know, just will

687
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: you spend money because you always I mean, the Reds

688
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: have developed an incredible pharm system and the Pirates have

689
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: a great farm system too. I love what Sherrington is

690
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 3: building over there in Pittsburgh, But will you spend money?

691
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: I think that's the question with the Cubs, with the Brewers,

692
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: and with the Cardinals. We all know that they'll spend

693
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: money so they can compile as good a prospects as

694
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: these other teams, But then they'll actually make that extra

695
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: move to go get the superstar that they couldn't produce

696
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: in their own system. I think that's kind of where

697
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: the separator is and just how good they are currently.

698
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely National League East. This one is really really tough

699
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: because when you look at this, when you look at

700
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: the New York Mets, they have Steve Cohen's pockets, so

701
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: whatever they lack in prospects they can make up for

702
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: in free agency. The Braves have locked down all of

703
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: these young players. Alexanthopolos has proved that he can develop

704
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: from within. But also at the same time, it's not

705
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: like the Braves have signed enormous free agents. They've just

706
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: locked up who they have. But who they have is

707
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: other levels of elite. You have the Phillies, who I

708
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: think could be in the conversation, but I just with

709
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: how loaded the Mets are, you know, prospect wise and

710
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: the money, and then you combine that with the Braves.

711
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: I really think it's Mets or Braves here, and I'm

712
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: gonna go with the Atlanta Braves. Yeah, because the New

713
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: York Mets they have good prospects and they have that

714
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: big money. But the Braves just prove it in and

715
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: year out. And if we're looking at who would I

716
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: rather have at this point, give me the team that

717
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: has continually pulled up Michael Harris's Spencer Striders and that

718
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: they've worked and then they're beginning to lock up those

719
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: guys like a Kyle Wright. We thought he was out

720
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: the door, and now we're going to talk about him

721
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: when we rank posts and rotations, and he's a big cog.

722
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 3: I think it is the Braves, but I wouldn't count

723
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: out the Mets either. It's very close for me, but

724
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the Braves.

725
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: I'm with you one hundred percent. I've got the core

726
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: locked up, and the core keeps getting better, right like

727
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna see Michael Harris continue to improve. We're watching

728
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: Austin Riley blossom before our eyes.

729
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: We know Matt.

730
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: Olson's not going anywhere anytime soon. And then on the

731
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: pitching side, Max Freed keeps getting better, Strider keeps getting better,

732
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Wright keeps getting better. This team is gonna be

733
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: good for a very, very long time. We'll see what

734
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: they do at shortstop, but I assume they're going to

735
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: be just fine in that department as well, with either

736
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: Dansby or they'll find a way with Von Grissom or

737
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: whatever else they're gonna do. My problem with the Mets

738
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 1: and I think the always hang around and they're always

739
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: going to be a playoff team now that Steve Cohen

740
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: is involved, because he'll never let them fully, you know,

741
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: go into rebuild mode. But like, let's look at a

742
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: lot of their core pieces here.

743
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 3: They're all older.

744
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: Jacob Degram obviously showing signs of being a human. Like

745
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: Ryan Finkelstein said on the episode earlier this week, Max

746
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: Scherzer no spring chicken either. You look at the rest

747
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: of that rotation, even Bassett's not that young. Cookie is

748
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: not that young. They're gonna have to find a way

749
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: to kind of you replace a lot of those guys

750
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: in the near future. Then you look at Stowing, Marte,

751
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Mark Canna. Those guys aren't young either. They're gonna have

752
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: to pay brandon Nimo if they want to keep him.

753
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: This is an older core, and you know, I think

754
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna catch up to them. It's not that easy

755
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: to just spend your way out of you know, having

756
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: that changing of the guards at a lot of different

757
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: positions at the same time.

758
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: And you have Baty, you have the end Toos, you

759
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: have Alvarez. They're all very, very exciting. But again with

760
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 3: Steve Cohen wanting to win, now, could we see them

761
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: dealt like we're just assuming that they're gonna be big

762
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: pieces in the puzzle for the Mets moving forward. When

763
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: Steve Cohen, like, let's say they get beat by the

764
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: Padres in the wild card, he could say, you know what,

765
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: screw it. The time is now, we're trading a couple

766
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: of these guys. We saw him do that with Pek

767
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 3: Armstrong trading for Javier Bias and they got two great

768
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: months Javier Bias, but now he's like one of the

769
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: worst players in the American League and Pek Armstrong is

770
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: very very high in the top one hundred thirty exactly.

771
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 3: Let's move on to the American League West. I don't

772
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: know if we even give the Ashros enough credit here,

773
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: when I really look at how good the Ashros are

774
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: at developing talent and spending money in the right places

775
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: and creating an ultimate team similar to the Dodgers, it's

776
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: not almost one and two. It's one A and one B.

777
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: The Astros are an incredibly, incredibly elite team and they

778
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 3: have the prospects to boot two like the Mariners are.

779
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: In the conversation, but I think it's clearly the Astros

780
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 3: because Arham, you just ranked all the top one hundred.

781
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: Where is the Astros farm compared to the Mariners farm?

782
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: Because I think that's somewhat of a decider here. But

783
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: right now the Astros are clearly better than the Mariners today.

784
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: But what it'll look like in five years.

785
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: It's the funny part is when you look at the Astros.

786
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: Alien had one guy in our Top one hundred, and

787
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: it was Hunter Brown at thirty nine. But what they

788
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: do is they end up just slowly developing these guys

789
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: that turn into regulars like Jeremy Pania wasn't on a

790
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: top one hundred list until the beginning of this year,

791
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: or a little bit ahead of this year. I started

792
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: to see more and more and I really liked what

793
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: I saw and hearing great things. We pushed them across,

794
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: but they seem to have these late bloomers guys.

795
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: You don't really.

796
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: I mean, Hunter Brown was not on any really top

797
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: one hundred lists going into this year. That's what the

798
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: Astros do, That's what the Braves do, That's what the

799
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Dodgers do. So you got to kind of take sometimes

800
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 1: when you have teams like that, Organizations like that take

801
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: the farm system. Rakings with the Grant assault, but the

802
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: Mariners have depleted their farm system in a lot of ways.

803
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: They've got some dudes, but I mean they traded away

804
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: their main, main guy, so that system is very much depleted.

805
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: They did it for a good reason. Their team is

806
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: very talented, but you talk about building a core in

807
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: a sustainable core, the Astros, like you said, are as

808
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: good as anybody at doing it. You look at all

809
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: the homegrown players that they have. They're gonna continue to

810
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: do this. But Framber Valdez, you got who they acquired

811
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues, but continue to develop him. Christian

812
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Javier another guy that they've just developed really well. Luis Garcia,

813
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: Jeremy Pania, Kyle Tucker, Alex Bregman, Jose Altuve. They acquired

814
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: ord On Alvarez early in his minor league career. Like,

815
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: these are all homegrown guys, So you can talk about

816
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: bigger markets and whatever, that's not really the Astros game.

817
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: They're just really good at developing their dudes. And I agree, man,

818
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: I think they're just gonna hang around there like the

819
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: other elite franchises that we see, and.

820
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: They just find a great way of being able to

821
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: do it.

822
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 3: Man, the Angels are going to be so good with

823
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: show Tony and Mike Trott next year and then five

824
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: years all right. American League Central another clear one to me.

825
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: I think it's easily the Guardians. First. They're the first

826
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: place team at this current moment and the window hasn't

827
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: fully opened yet. The only concern I have with the

828
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: Guardians is the ability to spend money. They continually go

829
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: through trade deadlines, they continually go through offseasons without signing

830
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: the big fish. But if we're looking at some of

831
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: the best farm systems in the game on top of

832
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 3: a first place ninety win team that's the Cleveland Guardians,

833
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: It's pretty easy to me, isn't it. The Guardians?

834
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

835
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean I love that the Royals have built this

836
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: core of bats and you know, have gotten rid of

837
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: Daton more and have somebody better, hopefully at the helm,

838
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: that's going to lead them to a better spot. You know,

839
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: the Twins have shown signs of things, but ultimately faded

840
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: as bad as any team could have. In the back

841
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: half of the season. The Guardians, I think might finally

842
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: spend a little bit. I'm not saying big time, but

843
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: they secured an investment. They sold some equity stake to

844
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: be able to have some more cash and I'm hoping

845
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: that they'll invest some of that this season. They've got

846
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: prospects coming up, as you said, already to a ninety

847
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: win team, and it's a balance system and was pitching

848
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: EN's middle endfielders. Bow Naylor is going to be their

849
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: future behind the dish next year as well. They are

850
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: very set in a lot of ways. They've guys that

851
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: they can trade for impact, they have money, hopefully a

852
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: little bit that they can spend, and they've locked up

853
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: some of their core pieces.

854
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: The Guardians are not going anywhere anytime soon.

855
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: American League East. You answer this, I don't want to

856
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: because I don't want my bias to come in because

857
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: I have my answer I don't know if it's the

858
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: right answer. I want to hear what you have to

859
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 3: say first, So.

860
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just take you through my thought process here,

861
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: because this is the tough part. You have the Blue

862
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: Jays who are extremely talented, but I have a lot

863
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: of concerns about their pitching long term and how.

864
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: The last time they developed a really good pitcher.

865
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: It would be too early to say Ricky Tituman, so

866
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: Alec Manoa that's it. And Manoa like skipped through though

867
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: like Manoa like skipped right through the minors. You went

868
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: low a twenty twenty season and then basically just straight

869
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: to Triple A and fast track to the big leagues.

870
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: Like it was not much of a development. He was

871
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: just close to a finished product.

872
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: As much as I want to say the O's like

873
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: I love what they have built, core wise, where's the pitching?

874
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: Can we assume that they're just going to put together? Ultimately?

875
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: I still think it's the Yankees. I really do.

876
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you deferred to me on this

877
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: because you didn't have a gun to my head. We're

878
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: not in person, you're not holding a knife under the table.

879
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: To me, it is the Yankees. Because you look at

880
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: what they have right now. Obviously they're the best team

881
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: in the division this year, even with the ups and

882
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: downs we've seen. Retaining Aaron Judge is going to be huge.

883
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: But I'm operating under the assumption that they do that.

884
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: They have so many good prospects, the progress that we've

885
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: seen from Jason de Mengez, and I know we're not

886
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: going to assume every prospect pans out, but we're seeing

887
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: them do it right now at the big league level.

888
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: Parraza and Cabrera just homeward in the same game. And

889
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: that's not even including Anthony Volpi, who is as safe

890
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: of a prospect as you're gonna find, at at least

891
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: being an above average regular. They've got three legit shortstops

892
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: that can play all over that are going to be

893
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: big league ready next year. When you pair that with

894
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: what we've seen pitching wise in recent years, they have

895
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: other guys that are coming back. I think the Yankees

896
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: are just built for sustainable success, and that's his and

897
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: it's just it's just really good.

898
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: So, first of all, agreed, Second, do you think the

899
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: Rays should be in the conversation here? The only reason,

900
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: the only reason that I didn't have them over the

901
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: Yankees was their pockets. Because the Rays, of course will

902
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: always be able to compete at this level, but free agents,

903
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: like we have to also think to ourselves. If I'm

904
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: a free agent, do I want to go to Tampa

905
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: Bay and play in the trop Do I want to

906
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: do that if I get the same offer from the

907
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: Yankees or the Cardinals, or the Dodgers, or the Braves,

908
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: or the Mets, or the Astros or the Guardians. Even

909
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: the Guardians won't do it, but there's a lot of

910
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: keys that I would prefer to go to as good

911
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: as the Rays are. Freddie Freeman was in talks with

912
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 3: the Rays, but that just never materialized because the doctor said,

913
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: you know what, we'll do it, and he was like, yeah,

914
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: I'd rather go play in la It like I would

915
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: if I'm a If I'm a free agent and the

916
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: Angels offered me a big contract to go play with

917
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: Mike Charter show, Tonny, would you rather go to them

918
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: or the Rays? Like? That's a real conversation to have here.

919
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: So that's why I disqualified the Rays, while also realizing

920
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: that no matter what type of free agents that the

921
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: Rays get, they will always be in this conversation because

922
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: the Rays are built different. And then the Red Sox,

923
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: I feel like, are very interesting because there have been

924
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: times where the Red Sox finished last and the next

925
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 3: year they win the World Series. So the Red Sox

926
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: have to be in the conversation here. But you just

927
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 3: did the top one hundred. Where is the Red Sox

928
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: farm system currently?

929
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's pretty good. I will say, like,

930
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: they're not bad off right now.

931
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 2: In that department.

932
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: They've got three guys and that's not including Nick York

933
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: who just fell out, who I'm not giving up on

934
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: by any means. But they've got Tristan Cassas who looks like,

935
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, their first basement of the foreseeable future. Marcella Meyers,

936
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: it looks like a potential superstar. And then Saddam Rafaela

937
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: has been spectacular, Brian Beayo graduated as well.

938
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: They've got young pieces, they definitely do.

939
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm just concerned about the markiness that surrounds, you know,

940
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: the future of Xander Bogarts, even the future of Rafael

941
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: Devers at this point, who I assume they're going to extend.

942
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: But the way that the Red Sox are positioning this

943
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: thing like Xander Bogartz has a decision to make on

944
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: his player option.

945
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. It his player option is half his

946
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: market value. Don't try to.

947
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: Make it sound like it's his decision to make. It's

948
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: your decision to make. So I don't trust Heim Bloom.

949
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: I really don't. I've been outspoken about that. And I

950
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: think that the Red Sox have a good core of talent,

951
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: and I think that they are a few good moves

952
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: away from being in that conversation. But I still have

953
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: concerns about the pitching. I still have some concerns about

954
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: the outfield, though Rafaela helps that. I really think it's

955
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: the Yankees.

956
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: At the top.

957
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: The Rays are always going to be tugging at the

958
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: back of your shirt and annoying you from behind, but

959
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll ever have that sustainable dominance. And

960
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: then the Orioles are the dark horse here, and I

961
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: think what it is for them is can you put

962
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: the pitching together, and can Grace and Rodriguez stay healthy

963
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: next year? And what are they going to do with

964
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: that surplus of infield talent. I think the Blue Jays

965
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: are always going to be a wild card team. I

966
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: don't think they're ever going to get to that upper echelon.

967
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: I just I just don't know if I ever see

968
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: that happening.

969
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,040
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990
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: fifth question, because we have four more loaded ones. Which

991
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: wild card team, not name the Mets has the best

992
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: chance of advancing to the World Series. You know, it's

993
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: a really good one, And of course I do think

994
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: it is the Mets. But I'm gonna go in the

995
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: American League because the Dodgers are so good, the Braves

996
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: are so good, and the Cardinals are so good. So

997
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: it's just a you know, if you're in the American

998
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: League and Gary Cole isn't great, you really only have

999
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: to get by the ass Shrows. So just by a

1000
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: you know, like for example, on fangrafts, the Ashros have

1001
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: a higher chance of winning the World Series than the

1002
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: Dodgers do, but the Dodgers have been a better team

1003
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: because the Ashros have less likely of a chance of

1004
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: losing to a lesser team. The American League is just

1005
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: easy to make it out. So I'm really deciding here

1006
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: between the Blue Jays the Rays and the Mariners, and

1007
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: the way I looked at it was I do think

1008
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: that it's the Toronto Blue Jays because I think with

1009
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: the lack of depth that's important in the postseason when

1010
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: really you have to rely on the top of your rotation,

1011
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: that offense and that bullpen. The Toronto Blue Jays bullpen,

1012
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 3: and I've said it a bunch of times before. They're

1013
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: impressing me. They have a lot of good arms back there.

1014
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: And then you have the combination of Manoa, of Gosman,

1015
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: of Brios of Strippling. I know Brios has struggled, but

1016
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 3: at some points, like in Brios's last start, he looked

1017
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: really really good. Could he use that momentum and do

1018
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: a good playoffs start? I wouldn't be shocked, Like would

1019
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: you be shocked if Brio shoves in the postseason. I

1020
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't be. That's what he's supposed to do. But like,

1021
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: we don't trust him at all. We don't trust him

1022
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: at all, and you need some thump in your lineup,

1023
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: and man, do the Blue Jays have thump. So I

1024
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: think that the Blue Jays, of all the teams, especially

1025
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: because they will be the number one team in that

1026
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: wild card and that also helps during c So I

1027
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: think the Blue Jays are the answer here.

1028
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think upside wise, you're looking at

1029
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: a Blue Jays team that ultimately they could go toe

1030
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: to toe with anybody. And we've seen them starting to

1031
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: get hot at the right time here, which is really important.

1032
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: And I trust Manoa in the big game as much

1033
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: as I trust any of these guys for the most

1034
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: part that aren't, you know, Hall of famers. I think

1035
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: Bobashett being a animal over the last couple months has

1036
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: been a huge development for them as well. And you know,

1037
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: I think you look at their line up top to bottom,

1038
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: there's not really a break. You talk about the bullpen

1039
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: that helps a lot. My concern is definitely the starting pitching.

1040
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: We talked about in previous episodes, how we don't trust Barrios.

1041
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: You got to hope that he is able to kick

1042
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: it in gear. But if he does somehow, if he

1043
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: does look like Jose Berrios, that's a three headed monster

1044
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: right there, of Manoa, Gossman and an act and Jose

1045
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: Barrios being Jose Barrios.

1046
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: But I have my concern that I just don't think

1047
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: he's going to be that guy.

1048
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: I think they're They're definitely have the ability to explore.

1049
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: As much as any gives any.

1050
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: Credit to Stripling. Stripling good this season. I mean that's

1051
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: another one. Brio starts, goes forwardings, you could just go

1052
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: to Stripling and he can limit damage. Like this isn't

1053
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: If Brio struggles, it's over, even though he's an enormous

1054
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: X factor because if he is good, the Blue Jays

1055
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 3: could be a World Series team. If he struggles, it

1056
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: doesn't look good for the Blue Jays, but it ain't

1057
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: over because they have Manoan Gosman at the top. Is

1058
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: your answer to the Blue Jays or are you leaning

1059
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: somewhere else? Maybe in the National League.

1060
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with my Seattle Mariners. I think that they

1061
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: are built to just surprise a lot of people, almost

1062
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: like the Kansas City Royals did, off of the starting

1063
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: pitching and the nasty bullpen and the offense that can

1064
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: just step up in the right spots. I just there's

1065
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it in the next question about

1066
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: the storylines and the magic. There's a level of magic

1067
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: with this Mariners team, and I love it. They get

1068
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: Hose or Julio you're excuse me, sorry, they get Julio

1069
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: Rodriguez back. I'm trying to speak here, and I think

1070
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: that's going to be something that really helps him if

1071
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent.

1072
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: But what ty France, are you getting that? That's the

1073
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: big question.

1074
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: Offensively, is u Henio Suarez one hundred percent healthy from

1075
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: that finger issue. I think the offense is going to

1076
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: be good enough. Winkers a big X factor there too.

1077
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: But I really think that pitching and we're going to

1078
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: get to that in a second.

1079
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 2: Two is just so good.

1080
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: It has the potential to be as good as anybody

1081
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: when you have what you're getting from George Kirby as

1082
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 1: of late, but you're getting from Logan Gilbert as of late,

1083
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 1: Robbie Ray as well, and then Luis Castillo of course

1084
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: as your front line guy. If they're all on, they

1085
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: could catch you real quick with the bullpen too and

1086
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: shut the door. It might be really hard to score

1087
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: against this team.

1088
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: Hard to find a better bullpen, and hard to find

1089
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: a better playoff. Mitch Haniger.

1090
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited for playoff. Mitch Haniger.

1091
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm really excited for the Mariners. And then of course

1092
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: there's honorable mentions, but we could go all day, but

1093
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: we have more questions to answer. Number six, Which team

1094
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: would be the best to win the World Series storyline wise?

1095
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: I think there's a one clear answer here, because you know,

1096
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: we'll just go through the other teams quickly. If the

1097
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: Yankees win, congrats, like they've won a bunch of titles.

1098
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: If the Mets win, you paid all these millions of

1099
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: dollars and you almost should have won it. The Braves repeat,

1100
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: that is a great story, but you know it's not

1101
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: the greatest story in the world. It's a good story,

1102
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: not the greatest Dodgers. You've been the best all year

1103
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: and you also spend the most money. Come on, Padres

1104
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: would be a cool story, but maybe overcoming Tatis. But

1105
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 3: storyline why is not as much Astros. You know, there's

1106
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: always going to be the cheating that hangs over their head,

1107
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: whether they deserve it or not, and I certainly don't

1108
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: think that they deserve it anymore, but it always will

1109
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: just hang over their head, whether they like it or not.

1110
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: Guardians would be a phenomenal story in the American League

1111
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: of Kinds, their rags to riches, but just the drought,

1112
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: of course, like that's a big one, but it has

1113
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: to be the Saint Louis Cardinals in you know, Pooholz's

1114
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: last year, Yachtie's last year. We aren't totally sure on

1115
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: Wayne Wright and you were at Saint Louis for the

1116
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 3: one of the final times that we're ever going to

1117
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: see all three of them walk off the field in

1118
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 3: Bush Stadium in the regular season, Like how was that experience?

1119
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 3: And of course that has to be the Cardinals, right.

1120
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, man.

1121
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: When when I was there, I had this legitimate thought

1122
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: where I looked at my girlfriend Alli, who was a

1123
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: big Cardinals fan, or families from Saint Louis, and I

1124
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so in on you guys winning the

1125
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: World Series this year, Like this is this is just

1126
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: too awesome.

1127
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: You know.

1128
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: You listen to what Albert said when he was given

1129
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: his little pregame speech and the you know, they did

1130
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: the ceremony for him and YACHTI, which was which was

1131
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: really special, and he was just like, we're not done.

1132
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: You know, we want to win, we want to bring

1133
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: a World Series here. And I just the imagining what

1134
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: this magical season has been for Puhols and not as

1135
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: much for Yachty who's been beat up, but he's still

1136
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: been able to help them in a lot of ways.

1137
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: And you know, you look at what.

1138
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Everybody's been saying about him, but smartest player maybe to

1139
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: ever play the game, being able to see those two

1140
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: guys just lead them and contribute.

1141
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1142
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: They're not just like Tracy McGrady on the bench for

1143
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: the Spurs. You're playing one minute in a blowout, like

1144
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: this is them actually contributing to this team winning the

1145
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: World Series, don't. I couldn't imagine something cooler than that.

1146
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: Pooh Holes coming back and winning it with them like

1147
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: that is by far, I think the most incredible storyline.

1148
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: I just want more Albert pool Holes games, Like I'm

1149
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: gonna be so sad if they're facing elimination because that's

1150
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: the end. But being in that stadium in Saint Louis,

1151
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: I know that it's a franchise that's won a lot

1152
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: as of late, but it's still just something that is

1153
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: so powerful. Seeing the whole city rally around those guys,

1154
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: it was one of the cooler things I've experienced, especially

1155
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: if it's Wayno's last year too. I couldn't imagine something

1156
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: cooler than those three guys winning it. I will say though,

1157
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: Seattle breaking the playoff curse or the you know, the

1158
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: playoff drought as well and then winning it in that

1159
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: year would be very cool. But I think with the

1160
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: Guardians prolonged drought and of course just the storyline in

1161
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: Saint Louis here with the Hall of Famers on their

1162
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: way out, I think those two are by far the best.

1163
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: I agree, I think it, but the Mariners, like, we're

1164
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: not discounting the Mariners or the Guardians, like, those are

1165
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: great storylines and if they want it would be phenomenal.

1166
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: I mean, just for me, if any team wins sports series,

1167
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: I think it's awesome. Like it's just so fued I

1168
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: love playoff baseball, but it just seems that, especially in

1169
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: this year with the legends, that it has to be

1170
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: the same Lewis Cardinals for sure. So taking a short

1171
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: break from the playoffs and then we'll get back to

1172
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: it with our last question, what are the odds that

1173
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: Shoho Tani is traded after signing a one year deal

1174
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 3: to avoid arbitration. If he is traded, what team would

1175
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: be able to afford the price tag? And the reason

1176
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 3: why I wanted to include this is not only because

1177
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: it was asked maybe four times in our comments by

1178
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: four different people, and that, by the way, was asked

1179
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: by at C Bush on Instagram. Also, I've done a

1180
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: bad job of naming the people, Bradley Samberg asked question

1181
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: number six, Ryan Brody, question number five Marshall, Well, you

1182
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: can find them all in our episode description. They're all time.

1183
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: But thank you everybody for asking these questions. I've done

1184
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: a bad job with that. That's my fault. But I

1185
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: really wanted to talk about the Otani, not just because

1186
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: people asked it, but because we haven't really gotten a

1187
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 3: chance to speak about Shoho Tani signing the the largest

1188
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 3: contract like post arb for one deer at thirty million dollars.

1189
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.

1190
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty mill to avoid arbitration is just unheard of.

1191
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible.

1192
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: It's and I tweeted, I was like, it seems half

1193
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 3: of what I thought, and everyone in my comments like, uh, yeah,

1194
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: you know it's pre arb and like, I know should

1195
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: be sixty still, Like I knew it was, but I

1196
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 3: still think it should be sixty million, because like, what

1197
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 3: are you paid for the bat? What are you paid

1198
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 3: for the guy on the Mound. I don't think he's

1199
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: gonna get traded. I think that there is a small possibility.

1200
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 3: I don't think it's you know, with zero you know

1201
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: what it is, it's non zero.

1202
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: Chance, non zero chance.

1203
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: Not theo ches. But to be more specific, what would

1204
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 3: you what percentile would you say he gets traded? And

1205
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: then who do you think he could even go to?

1206
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd put it at you know, ten percent maximum,

1207
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, because there's always just a chance that maybe

1208
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: show Hey monts out or who knows what could possibly happen.

1209
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: I don't think that would happen.

1210
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: And the reason why I think it's ninety percent that

1211
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: he stays is Artie Moreno, who currently owns the team

1212
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: teams for sale. He's not going to trade Otani before

1213
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: he sells the team. That's the most valuable aspect of

1214
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: the team. And whoever could Yeah, And that was the

1215
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: weird thing is I felt like it was two separate

1216
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: situations there because the Nationals it seemed like there was

1217
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: no way financially that team could retain Soto, and so

1218
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: whoever was buying the team knew that they had to

1219
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: get rid of them, and they didn't want to be

1220
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: the ones that got rid of them, so it was like,

1221
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: let's get rid of them and then sell the team.

1222
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: Whereas I mean, this is a Los Angeles team, this

1223
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: is a team that is one of the biggest markets.

1224
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: I know they've got a lot of bad contracts, but

1225
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: I think you could find a way to lock up

1226
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: Otani here and it's not really going to be a

1227
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: big problem for you financially if you're the Angels. I

1228
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: really think that whoever buys his team does not want

1229
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: to be the one that trades Otani and just tanks

1230
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: the franchise value. I don't see why they would ever

1231
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: do that. They're in a good enough spot with the

1232
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: rest of their team that if they make the right moves,

1233
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: they can put it together.

1234
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: I would be shocked.

1235
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: But any teams that could do it, really, it's gonna

1236
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: be the same same suspects, right, the only few that

1237
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: can really afford him both system wise and financially. Just

1238
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 1: see all of the candidates in the Juan Soto sweep sakes,

1239
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: and that's basically what it would be.

1240
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Marlins, Marlins.

1241
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: He's worth more than the entire franchise, Like, actually, the

1242
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: franchise is worth less than a billion, I'd say to

1243
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: Tani might be worth a billion.

1244
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 3: Just got me by surprises, so funny, Like I was

1245
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 3: just thinking about no, but you know, maybe the Marlins

1246
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: just need to stack up on more pitching.

1247
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they got they should, They should acquire Otani

1248
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: and then say, don't hit, just pitch.

1249
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: We don't need you to hit as many pitchers as possible.

1250
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 3: It's the most Marlins together, okay, but really it's Mets,

1251
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: it's Yankees, it's Dodgers, it's Podge raise.

1252
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: Could you imagine would say what if they were just

1253
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: like I mean, they have to extend Soto after what

1254
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: they gave up, though, so I think are done out.

1255
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: They they took themselves out of the sweep stakes there,

1256
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: they depleted that in their system.

1257
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: But uh, the Rangers committing five hundred million is Seeger

1258
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: and Semmion. Imagine committing a billion to sote.

1259
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals if they they never would, but Cardinals could for

1260
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: what that's worth, but they won't.

1261
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: They won't and it's a ten percent chance. Last question,

1262
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: and maybe the best one, because it's all about pitching

1263
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, Where does the top four of each

1264
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: rotation in both leagues stack up asked by Tylors for

1265
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: Cy Young on Twitter. Probably a Mets fan, and we're

1266
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: definitely gonna talk about those Mets. But I think the

1267
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: question here is important. I think the question here is

1268
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: important because on some teams you have a three headed monster,

1269
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 3: and that's probably what they're going to use most in

1270
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs. But at the end of the day, the

1271
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: question was top four. So for example, Phillies fans, your

1272
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 3: top three is awesome, but your four ain't that good.

1273
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 3: Blue Jays again, the four ain't that good. There were

1274
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: some teams days year question exactly when you when you

1275
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: think of these teams, like you think of the three

1276
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 3: headed monster, but like this question was their top four.

1277
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: So just really quickly going through it. The New York Yankees,

1278
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 3: it's Garrett Cole, It's Nessa Cortez Junior, so at least

1279
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 3: have Vernon. It's Jameson tay On. For the Blue Jays,

1280
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: it's alc Manoa, Kevin Gosman, Ross Strippling, and Jose Brios.

1281
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: For the Rays, Shane McClanahan, Drew Rasmussen, Jeffrey Springs, and

1282
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: then we kind of did a combination of Corey Kluebern

1283
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 3: and Glass now because I don't know Guardians Shane b Ber,

1284
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 3: Trista Mackenzie, cal Quantrill and Aaron Savali, Astros Verlander, Justin Verlander,

1285
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: Framber Valdez, Lance McCulloch Junior, and Christian Javier. Maybe you

1286
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: could put in Luis Garcia, but that should be the

1287
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: four UH Seattle Mariners. They Luis Castillo, they have Robbie Ray,

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Speaker 3: they have Logan Gilbert, and they have George Kirby. In

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: the National League with you have Jacob de Gram on

1290
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: the Mets, Max Schurzer, Chris Bassett, Cookie Carrasco, Carlos Carrasco.

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01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 3: With the Braves you have Max Fried, maybe Strider and

1292
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Speaker 3: maybe that might hurt them in these rankings, Kyle Wright

1293
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 3: and Charlie Morton, Phillies. You got Zach Wheeler, Aaron Nola,

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01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: Rangers Swarz, and Kyle Gibson. For the Cardinals, you have

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01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 3: Adam Wainwright, Miles Michaeliss, Jordan Montgomery, josekn Tana. For the Dodgers,

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01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: you have Julio, Arius Clayton, kershaw Tony Gonsolin, and Tyler Anderson.

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01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: For the Padres you have Joe Musgrove, you have U Darvis.

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01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 3: You have Blake Smell, Blake Snell, and you have Mike Clevenger.

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Speaker 3: I need to sip a water because I just listed

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Speaker 3: off a bunch rankings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you a second here. Well done.

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01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: It's really interesting with the four person aspect of this,

1303
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: because you know, if we were saying which which rotation

1304
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: has the top two, it's totally different. But that said,

1305
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: you gotta still consider how elite the top two are

1306
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: and then how big of a fall off it is

1307
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Speaker 1: at three and four. And you know, still and we

1308
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: talked about it like number one is the Mets, because

1309
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: the one and two punch you have of dueling Hall

1310
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: of Famers with Chris Bassett the way he's looked as

1311
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: of late is the third guy. And Carasco has been

1312
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: a little bit inconsistent obviously, but that's your fourth guy.

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Speaker 2: That's the question. We'll see.

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Speaker 1: But those three are just such a problem. But I

1315
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: do think it's a really important distinction to make here.

1316
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: It's that it's weighing how elite are the top two

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01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: versus how steady is the entire four. And I think

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Speaker 1: a good example of a steady entire four would be

1319
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: maybe the Astros or the Rays whereas and they've got

1320
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: the top heaviness too though.

1321
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Speaker 2: That's what makes the Astros so good.

1322
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: And we'll go through the exact rankings, but the Rays

1323
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: are a better example of like nothing crazy elite. I mean,

1324
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: McClanahan has the potential to be elite, but he's been

1325
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: a little inconsistent in the second half, but just steady

1326
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: across the board, and that's what makes the Rays right

1327
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: up there with just about anybody.

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Speaker 3: And the number one is the Mets, and we're gonna

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01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: go through piece by piece, So you just did. Number

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01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 3: one is the Mets because I do think that Carlos Carrasco,

1331
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: as he's been inconsistent when we look at the other

1332
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: playoff rotations, he's still one of the better fours, Chris

1333
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: Bassett is one of the better threes, and then you

1334
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: have the best top two. So I think it has

1335
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Speaker 3: to be the Mets at number one, but at number

1336
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: two and a close Number two is the Houston Astros

1337
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: because you have Justin Verlander has been one of the

1338
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: best overall pitchers in baseball, but then like Framber has

1339
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: been great, Lance mccullor Junior, especially in the playoffs, has

1340
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 3: been great, and the emergence of Christian Xavier. If we're

1341
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: talking about the best four, Christian Xavier is probably the

1342
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: best four, and you could argue he's the three and

1343
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 3: Lance McCullers is the four. But I think the Astros

1344
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 3: have the deepest. But the Mets just having that two

1345
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 3: headed monster of de Gram and Schuzer just gives them

1346
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: the slight bump. But if we're talking depth, the Astros

1347
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: have the deepest four. So I would go Mets number

1348
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 3: one and go Astros number two, but it is close.

1349
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: Get it into number three.

1350
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean number three, and this is a big if,

1351
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: but you still to put the Atlanta Braves there. With

1352
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: the way Max Fried has looked at the top of

1353
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: the rotation, basically matching up with anybody any given night

1354
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: and being able to go toe to toe with some

1355
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: of the best lineups in baseball, he leads the way,

1356
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: and then Spencer Streider right there as well, assuming he's healthy,

1357
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: And that's the big if, but it's way easier to

1358
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: assume that he's healthy. Stryder's been the top fifteen pitcher

1359
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: or better in baseball when he's totally right.

1360
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 2: Top ten.

1361
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: Kyle Wright is a really solid number three. I think

1362
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: he might be the four with the way Morton has

1363
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: looked as of late as the three. Potentially you can

1364
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: interchange those two. I trust Morton as a vet. But

1365
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,959
Speaker 1: you have those two guys at three and four. That's

1366
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: a really balanced four arms right there, a freed Strider right,

1367
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: and Morton, assuming Strider's healthy, Like you don't have a

1368
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: major concern with any of those guys in the mound.

1369
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: We talk about how clutch Morton is, how good Right

1370
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 1: has looked. Really, my biggest concern with this rotation would

1371
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: be Kyle Wright. And he's a twenty game winner this

1372
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: year like he's been dynamite, So I mean that's your

1373
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: biggest question. That's gonna be a top five rotation in

1374
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: the postseason.

1375
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: A number four r is of course, the Los Angeles Dodgers.

1376
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 3: They're not as shiny this year as you might think

1377
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 3: with no Walker Bueller, but Julio Arias. If weren't for

1378
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 3: Sandy standing on his head and throwing a complete game

1379
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 3: every single game for the Marlins, Julio Reas could be

1380
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: the National League Styling Award winner. He has been that good.

1381
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 3: Then of course you have the legendary Clinton kershaw Tony

1382
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 3: Gonsolin when he's right, and he did just make his return,

1383
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 3: has looked great all regular season long, and Tyler Anderson

1384
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 3: is somehow really good. You could make the argument Tyler

1385
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: Anderson has been one of the best fours in a

1386
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 3: rotation in all of Major League Baseball. So the Dodgers

1387
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 3: have to be number four. But number five is probably

1388
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 3: the sneakiest rotation in the playoffs.

1389
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: And that's just what they do right. The Rays are

1390
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: made off of being sneaky with their pitching, and we

1391
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: talked about such a balanced rotation for the postseason. It's

1392
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: ridiculous what they have going on here. Shane McClanahan, assuming

1393
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: he's right, good that he's back and healthy and throwing again,

1394
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: and that guy when he's on is as good as anybody.

1395
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: Drew Rasmussen has just been spectacular this season. Jeffrey Springs

1396
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: has been incomprehensibly good. And then that's not even considering

1397
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: the fact that Tyler Glass now is on the end.

1398
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to handle him if

1399
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: he's going to piggyback off of Kluber or vice versa.

1400
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: But how about what Glasstown did last outing against the

1401
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: Red Sox. Three and two thirds, two hit seven punchies.

1402
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: Like this guy is already back and shoving. It's just

1403
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: about how long they're gonna let him go. If he

1404
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: gives you five innings with that bullpen, that's it's gonna

1405
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: be better five innings then you're gonna get from any

1406
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: other three or four quote unquote. So what they got

1407
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: there with Kluber and Glass now maybe piggybacking as that

1408
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: fourth option.

1409
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

1410
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: And I think people really sleep on how good myself

1411
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: included how good Springs has been this year. That rotation

1412
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: has the potential to be as good as any when

1413
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: all those guys are going.

1414
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 3: If Glass now looks like he did against the Red

1415
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 3: Sox and is shoving like that, like we think he

1416
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 3: could be, because I think when Glass now is right,

1417
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 3: he's top ten. Yea, how good Tyler Glass now is?

1418
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 3: So if he is that good, mcclenahan's that good. And

1419
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 3: Rasmussen has been a little bit shakier of late, but

1420
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: had a stretch there where he was the best pitcher

1421
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 3: in baseball. And then Jeffrey Springs, I mean, what the

1422
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 3: hell is that that thirty year old? You told me

1423
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: his age at the beginning of this podcast, and I.

1424
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: Was like, what, no, no way, he's third.

1425
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 3: I mean, the Rays are just unbelievable. If Glass now

1426
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 3: is that guy, the Rays could be with the Astros

1427
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: and the Mets like that good of a rotation, but

1428
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 3: number six is also a really really deep rotation, one

1429
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 3: of the best, especially with the emergence of George Kirby.

1430
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 3: And that's the Seattle Mariners. You got Luis Castillo, who

1431
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: at the front of your rotation is as good, at

1432
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,959
Speaker 3: least right now and just in general as any ace

1433
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: in the game. You have Robbie Ray, who at his

1434
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 3: best can dominate games by himself. Logan Gilbert the same thing,

1435
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 3: at his best, can dominate games by himself. George Kirby

1436
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 3: at his best can dominate games by himself. All of

1437
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: these guys can act as aces in their own right,

1438
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: but they also have those blow up outings. Yeah, Castillo

1439
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: not as much, but Ray has you know, been up

1440
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: and down, Gilbert up and down a little bit. Kirby

1441
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 3: has actually been really consistent. So there's at the high

1442
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: end this is as good as any rotation, but at

1443
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 3: the low end it could be the reason that they're

1444
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: out of the playoffs. Like, I think there's tiers here,

1445
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 3: and I think the Mariners headline like the next tier,

1446
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.

1447
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 2: I agree.

1448
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: And you know, Castillo has been phenomenal and I have

1449
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in him, and I love Kirby

1450
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: and I love Gilbert. But those are young guys and

1451
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: we'll see how they perform on the big stage. Robbie Ray,

1452
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that many looks at Robbie Ray on

1453
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: the big stage either, so I am interested to see

1454
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: how he looks in that spot too. But that rotation,

1455
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: like you said, every single guy has the ability to

1456
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: go out there and win you a ballgame and go

1457
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: toe to toe with any team's starter when they're on,

1458
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: and I think that's worth a lot, and that puts

1459
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: them ahead of still a good amount of rotations here

1460
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: at number six.

1461
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 3: The Phillies are at number seven. Oh wait, I accidentally

1462
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 3: skipped you.

1463
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: I'll just god, it's fine. It's kind of the way

1464
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 2: we went back and forth you.

1465
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: But the Phillies do check in at number seven, and

1466
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: we talk about the balance, right of balancing the four

1467
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: solid arms versus the two really good arms, Phillies skew

1468
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: more towards the ladder right I mean, Nola looked so

1469
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: good against the Astros the other night, Wheeler has looked

1470
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: much much better as of what it looks more like

1471
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler. Ranger Suarez, though, is a really solid three.

1472
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,919
Speaker 1: I just I don't know something about me just refuses

1473
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: to trust him in the postseason. But I think he's

1474
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna shove that up my you know what.

1475
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: But the question is big fall off at four, Like

1476
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: we talked about, I don't trust Kyle Gibson in the

1477
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: playoffs whatsoever.

1478
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 3: I think he's the worst picture of these rotations in

1479
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 3: the playoffs. That's what things the Phillies here is kim

1480
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: Er Savali yeah, oh yeah, is not good. So that's

1481
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 3: what really hurts them. But Noah Wheeler, that two could

1482
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: go up with anybody, and Ranger Suarez looks like a

1483
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 3: legit three, so until proven otherwise, I mean, that's still

1484
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 3: a better rotation than a lot of others. And number eight,

1485
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 3: we have the New York Yankees, and if we're talking

1486
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,839
Speaker 3: about upside, they again could be up there with Dodgers

1487
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 3: raised Braves. If you have an a Scarrett Cole, you

1488
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 3: have Nestor continuing to do what he does We just

1489
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 3: saw Luis Severino put up seven no hit innings and

1490
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 3: win asked if he could have continued. He said, absolutely,

1491
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 3: one thousand percent. I would have thrown a no hitter

1492
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 3: if Aaron Bood allowed me to keep going. It's understandable.

1493
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 3: I think there is two ways to look at this

1494
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 3: is should he have been pulled from the game. The

1495
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: Yankees are getting ready for the playoffs and he just

1496
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 3: happened to allow no hits through seven innings? Yes? Could

1497
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: he have continued and thrown a no hitter? Also? Yes?

1498
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 3: I think both are fair here. And then Jameson Tyon

1499
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 3: has been good, but that's what you ask for your

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 3: number four, right. You don't expect him to be elite.

1501
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,919
Speaker 3: But I think he's been good and he has been good.

1502
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: So if Severina looks like that Ace, if Nestor continues

1503
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 3: doing what he does, and Garrett Cole looks like the

1504
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 3: three hundred plus million dollar guy, the Yankees rotation has

1505
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: as much upside. That's what we saw in the first half.

1506
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 3: But at the same time, this is very volatile. You know,

1507
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 3: mex Quartets. What are we going to see from him

1508
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: in the playoffs? We hope that he's great, but I

1509
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: don't think we can guarantee it by any stretch of

1510
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: the imagination. You look at Severino like, you know, I

1511
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 3: posted that. You know that stuff from Severino makes me

1512
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 3: want to gamble on the Yankees to win the World Series.

1513
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 3: And then the first comment is is he going to

1514
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 3: be on the IL in forty eight hours? And I

1515
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 3: think it's a very real thing to worry about. I

1516
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: think Garret Cole could blow up again. And then James

1517
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 3: in the time, we have no true idea what he's

1518
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 3: going to give us. So I think this is the

1519
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 3: most volatile playoff rotation that we have. Is that fair?

1520
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 2: It's fair?

1521
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: And if it's not, the Yankees, the Padres at number

1522
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: nine have arguably the most volatile postseason rotation because you're

1523
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: looking at a bunch of guys that when they're on.

1524
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: We talk about some other rotations that each of these

1525
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: guys Muscrove, Darvish, Snell, Clevenger, when they're on, they.

1526
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: Can look like aces.

1527
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys have not been on

1528
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: nearly as much as they usually are in this year especially.

1529
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: I will say, though, you look at the last five

1530
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: or six starts and I pushed you just flip flop

1531
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: the Padres and the Yankees before we recorded this, because

1532
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: I have more faith in what the Yankees are capable

1533
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: of in terms of their rotation. But you look at

1534
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: what the Padres have. If it all clicks for them,

1535
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: they're up there with anybody too. Blake Snell looks like

1536
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: Blake Snell lately, that's for sure. I think he's fully back.

1537
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: But Mike Clevenger has not looked good at all, and

1538
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: I don't think you can really trust Clevenger. Musk Grove

1539
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: has looked better as of late. Darvish has looked really

1540
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: solid as of late. But the inconsistency of this rotation

1541
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: all year long has been my big concern, and I

1542
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: think there's a big fall off with Clevenger. We talk about,

1543
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, the best and worst fours. The wake Clevenger's

1544
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: look this year, he's arguably right there with some of

1545
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: the other guys as one of the weaker fours. I

1546
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: will say though, if musk Grove, Darvish and Snell are

1547
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: pitching the way they have as of late, this rotation

1548
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: could easily be one of the top five. Extremely volatile,

1549
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: just like the Yankees, and I think the Yankees have

1550
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: a little bit more safety with what they've been able

1551
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: to get from their guys. Maybe slightly less upside, but

1552
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: a little bit more consistency, I think.

1553
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 3: And at number ten, the Blue are kind of similar

1554
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 3: to the Phillies, but they don't have that three like

1555
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 3: Ranger Suarez do. And I think in must win games,

1556
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 3: if I had decide between Wheeler and Nola or Manoa

1557
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: and Gosman, I would go Wheeler and Nola. So the

1558
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 3: Blue Jays checking at ten here, we just have no

1559
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 3: idea what we're gonna get from Jose Brios. We say, again,

1560
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 3: you know these are some of the weak or fours,

1561
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 3: but on a production standpoint, Jose Brios has easily been

1562
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 3: the worst four. And then with Stripling, you really truly

1563
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 3: have no idea what he's going to deliver. I lean

1564
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 3: that he's going to be pretty good, but when I

1565
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 3: have two, you know, very good ones. But again, Manoah's

1566
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 3: super young. I was saying, we're putting a lot of

1567
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 3: a lot of faith on Alec Manoa because he's been

1568
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 3: so phenomenal. But you know, it's not like the Rays,

1569
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 3: right because with Shane mcclann and if he struggles a

1570
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 3: little bit, they have so many other guys. If Manoa

1571
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 3: loses game one, like, it's all on Gosman because you

1572
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 3: have no idea what you're gonna get from Stripling.

1573
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: And then even if Gosmin shoves and evens up the series, okay, great,

1574
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: now what you know, you got Jose Burrios to determine

1575
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: whether you're up to one or down to one.

1576
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: Like that's I'm not feeling great about that.

1577
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: So I do love Mana and Gosman and that combination

1578
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: keeps them from the basement here. Uh, But at the

1579
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's a pretty big concern at

1580
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: three and four, and I think Stripling might end up

1581
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: being the three at this point with the way Burrios

1582
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: has looked. But I think because a name value will

1583
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: probably still see Barrios game three, I assume we'll see

1584
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: checking it at eleven, which is this is funny. At

1585
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Guardians, you know, I think we have really

1586
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: seen a healthy, healthy Shane Bieber, which has been great,

1587
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: really great to see. Tristan mackenzie has made the leap

1588
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: this year as well, which has been awesome. But can

1589
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: you do it in the postseason That's gonna be a

1590
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: big question. But he has made a big leap this year.

1591
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: You got your guy cal Quantrill at three, who he's

1592
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: a magician. But can the magic go into the postseason.

1593
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1594
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: And I know this shit's gonna happen his first fucking

1595
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: postseason game. He's gonna give up ten and it's just

1596
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh great, that doesn't count towards the er, right,

1597
01:13:58,840 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: we know you know what's happening.

1598
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 2: That's why you're laughing. You know what's going to happen.

1599
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 3: Look, I don't love if it's at home. He's winning

1600
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 3: that game. That is fair. That's no matter how well

1601
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 3: he pitches, Like the Guardians are witting that game.

1602
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: But you know, this rotation's good. I don't want people

1603
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: to like Misk's true, like, oh we're at eleven. This

1604
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: rotation is not good. It's a playoff rotation. Bieber leading

1605
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: the way the way Mackenzie has looked, but you know,

1606
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: I think there's just a little bit of uncertainty right

1607
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: after Bieber. I mean, Mackenzie has been great, but you know,

1608
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: same things said about Manoa, young and less proven than manoah,

1609
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: And then you know Quantrill as your three is probably

1610
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,440
Speaker 1: one of the weaker threes of this entire postseason.

1611
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 2: That's me postseason. He's the best regular.

1612
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: Season pitcher of all time at home. Unfortunately that might

1613
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: not help in the playoffs.

1614
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 3: But also just continueing the Guardians, like Aaron Savally is

1615
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: one of the worst fours, and like that matters here

1616
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 3: because it's the top four for doing threes. They're probably

1617
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 3: a little bit higher. But you have Bieber who you know,

1618
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 3: the dropping Vilo has been real, but overall he's been

1619
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 3: very productive this year. Mackenzie regular season, very product, very

1620
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 3: very young, Quantrill very productive, also very young, and then

1621
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 3: Aaron Savali just has not been good. That's why there

1622
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 3: are at eleven here.

1623
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 2: You got the last one.

1624
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 3: Number twelve might make Cardinals fans upset, but I think

1625
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 3: unlike other rotations, there are question marks at every single stop.

1626
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 3: Adam Wayne Wright, could he just prove us wrong once again?

1627
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying hell will be bad, but the

1628
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 3: end of the season has not been kind of Adam

1629
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 3: Wayne When you were in Saint Louis, how did he

1630
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: perform against the Pirates. I'm not saying it's going to

1631
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 3: resemble his playoff picture, but it definitely didn't look good,

1632
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 3: right now.

1633
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: He's been dealing with dead arm and you could see it.

1634
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like the vlo down even more. He just

1635
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: didn't look like Adam Wayne right. And if he's not

1636
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: Adam Wayne right, yeah, like eighty five eighty six on

1637
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: a lot of his pitches. Like, if that's the case,

1638
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: you're really not feeling good because that guy's been, you know,

1639
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: kind of a rock for you. Michaels, I don't trust

1640
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: that guy that much, even though we forget he exists

1641
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: all the time. Montgomery has been slowing down a little bit,

1642
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: I still I trust him.

1643
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 3: The Yankees I really created him because they didn't want

1644
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 3: him in their playoff rotation. Like, let's not forget that.

1645
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 3: Against really good teams, I've seen Jane mont fold that

1646
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 3: I know. He gave you this really good stretch, then

1647
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 3: he gave you a bad stretch. And now he's going

1648
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 3: to go face the Mets or the Braves or the like.

1649
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 3: We'll see yeah, like the one.

1650
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a fine, he's probably one of the better force.

1651
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't even know you could mix and match any

1652
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: of these four. I don't even know who's one and

1653
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: who's four. I have no idea. And then Jack Flaherty

1654
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: is just not going to be in that rotation, I

1655
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: don't think. But what I will say though, for Cardinals fans,

1656
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: if there's one team that needs their rotation to be

1657
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: good the least, it might be the Cardinals. Like their

1658
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: bullpen is phenomenal, their defense is elite, and they rake

1659
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: they'll be fine. These guys just need to give them

1660
01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: five quality innings, which I think they can.

1661
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, just because they're at the bottom of this,

1662
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 3: I think you made a really good point. These are

1663
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 3: all playoff rotations. They're all really good teams, and on

1664
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 3: any given day you can win even if your starter

1665
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 3: doesn't because for example, like wayn Wright could give up

1666
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 3: four runs and six innings, but then the Cardinals score

1667
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 3: six and they win, and then the whull pench out

1668
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 3: the time Like, that's very it's a very likely scenario here.

1669
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 3: So by no means are we counting the Cardinals out.

1670
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 3: But when we go through it the top four, that's

1671
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 3: how we rank it. We got a bounce. We have

1672
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 3: to watch Guardians Royals. It's gonna be an electric game.

1673
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,120
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1678
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Speaker 3: on the Just Baseball Show, we're gonna be covering the

1679
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 3: playoffs all season long, anything else before we say goodbye.

1680
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: Now excited to headline and run down all top one

1681
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: hundred prospects on the Call Up. Continuing to do that,

1682
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: just put out our third episode going from sixty one

1683
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: to first sorry, sixty to forty one, and then we're

1684
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna get to the final forty in the next couple

1685
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: episodes this week, so check that out on the Call Up.

1686
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Speaker 3: So with that, thank you every much.